?Jon Ossoff has officially advanced to a runoff, which means he and Raphael Warnock will both be on the ballot in Georgia on January 5, 2021!! pic.twitter.com/2u4lGeOiz7
— ✊?ALL BLACK LIVES MATTER✊? (@flywithkamala) November 5, 2020
#BREAKING Georgia "Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger said that as of 5:45 p.m. today there are approximately 36,331 ballots still outstanding."
— Brendan Keefe (@BrendanKeefe) November 5, 2020
Hilarious. They’re paying people to do what Dem volunteers are doing for free. And why do they need to pay to lodge Trump staff in Georgia when Dem volunteers from across the country are doing those calls from their couch? I mean, Trump Tower Atlanta was foreclosed on years ago https://t.co/IZimDRK2kF
— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) November 5, 2020
(Spiering is a Breitbart News reporter.)
B-b-but the Federalist guys told me that curing votes is CHEATING!!!!1!!! pic.twitter.com/OCS2xUmjDK
— CryptoDead (@CryptoDead) November 5, 2020
I guess they didn’t make clear whose ballots they’re curing. https://t.co/q56ojjMZWk
— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) November 5, 2020
A Georgia election official said that the state expects to finish counting ballots today. He said that some counties had forgotten "to press the upload button," and that they've been reminded to do so. https://t.co/pGEgku2VvJ pic.twitter.com/ScNSSZUgPL
— The New York Times (@nytimes) November 5, 2020
Trump's lead in Georgia now under 10,000 votes, mainly after mail-in ballots from Fulton.
Clayton and Chatham absentees alone ought to cover the rest of the difference— Nate Cohn (@Nate_Cohn) November 5, 2020
THESE REPUBS ARE IDIOTS!
The NAACP is ballot harvesting in Georgia… pic.twitter.com/gQI4RWyEXW
— Rogan O’Handley ?? (@DC_Draino) November 5, 2020
And/or they’ve just gotten lazy, after having their own way for so long…
Getting the sense that Brian Kemp kind of half-asses the criminal racist suppression when his own name isn't on the ballot.
This isn't praise.
— Zeddy (@Zeddary) November 5, 2020
Trump campaign is going to be really embarrassed when they find out it’s really just 120 K-pop fans https://t.co/IZimDRK2kF
— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) November 5, 2020
ICYMI:
#BREAKING: Georgia judge throws out Trump campaign lawsuit on absentee ballots https://t.co/mM0dh9rJ6a pic.twitter.com/CE6rPLAVPp
— The Hill (@thehill) November 5, 2020
Roger Moore
Fantastic title!
Dagaetch
My sister in law lives in Atlanta, she’s been curing ballots for two days now.
cain
Nice to get a bit of McCain in here.
I think I will make some dinner and have it all ready for me to eat. It’s like 3pm right now but it feels like evening has set in already – hardly any light. That’s portland for you.
MisterForkbeard
Interesting. So Georgia is…. what, needs about a 65% Biden Win Rate in the remaining ballots to go Biden.
About the same as in PA. Given the trends, we probably got both of them but who the fuck knows.
Betsy
That guy in the sixth tweet above (the NY Times tweet) looks so Georgia.
cain
@Dagaetch:
They really are delicious once properly cured.
SiubhanDuinne
I hope this means that DougJ is going to put up three fresh ActBlue thermometers: one for each candidate, and one combined for a Flip Georgia in the Senate. I’ve already donated small amounts to Warnock and Ossoff; will do much more in the coming two months.
JPL
When I moved here GA was blue. Roy Barnes changed the flag with the promise that Corporations would support him on his next run. Yup fool me once, yadda, yadda, yadda.. He was ten times better than Zell.
Ksmiami
I donated to Warnock and Ossoff just now let’s win these
cain
@MisterForkbeard:
I’m kind of irritated with Arizona – and I know that maricopa isn’t precisely a blue district but the suburbs have been going for Biden. But then again this is the place that has re-elected a racist sheriff repeatedly.
NotMax
“Approximately” 36,331.
That’s some USDA prime drollery right there.
debbie
That last tweet is great news!
MisterForkbeard
@cain: I don’t know how AZ is going, but my impression is that we’re still favored to win.
debbie
@MisterForkbeard:
The Guardian reports another complication:
R-Jud
@Dagaetch: What kind of brine does she use?
mad citizen
Seeing some twitter chatter that something is happening; activity/speakers at Biden HQ
Oh, trump speaking at 6:30. More bullshit I’m sure.
Luciamia
Trump to speak at 6:30? This should be good.
chopper
i don’t like the cured ballots, too many nitrates.
cain
Well, that’s good – let’s keep that way – I want a full sweep. Including NC!
cain
@debbie:
I bet Trump and DeJoy are probably pissed at their own gambit.
cain
@Luciamia:
There is going to be a lot of crazy. I think I will pass and instead play video games or continue working.
Roger Moore
@MisterForkbeard:
I don’t see how Georgia avoids a recount. It’s going to be a razor thin margin one way or the other. Fortunately, it looks likely it won’t be the decisive state, so we won’t be waiting on the recount to know Biden won.
randy khan
I suggest that DougJ put up some pretty big thermometers for the Georgia runoffs. (Yes, I know that size and amount aren’t really related, but you know what I mean.)
SiubhanDuinne
@SiubhanDuinne:
I mean just since it was clear that both would go to runoffs; naturally, I supported them both to the best of my ability during the campaign. But now we’ve mashed the reset button.
Baud
@debbie:
If we get Penn by the margins they are talking about, then thankfully this will not have made a difference in the presidential race.
Cheryl Rofer
mrmoshpotato
And no doubt the traitorous orange Soviet shitpile is having a tremendous bigly SAD!
Baud
@Cheryl Rofer:
Nice.
Cheryl Rofer
Anyone want me to post the video of Trump’s speech? You can find it here.
jl
Need someone to do an analysis on whether several millions more people can fit inside Georgia for the GOTV ground game.
R-Jud
@Cheryl Rofer: I am very fond of Fetterman.
feebog
You gotta wonder how much enthusiasm Republicans are going to have in a runoff election over the holidays now that Trumpov is a melted glob of orange goop. I think Democratic excitement is going to be through the roof. Let’s do this.
jl
@Cheryl Rofer: ” Anyone want me to post the video of Trump’s speech? You can find it here. ”
I didn’t know that there was a Trump speech. Should we thank you or curse you for bringing it to our attention?
Edit: sorry, I forgot to answer your question: NO! But if I need to watch the damn thing…. no, sorry, just can’t bring myself to type it.
Spanky
I always thought ballots were hung up in barns, the way tobacco is cured.
Bill Arnold
@Baud:
I don’t care. Want Louis DeJoy and any underlings who assisted him to be prosecuted. (I want worse, but that would be a good start.) ETA I do care about winning PA, just that Dejoy needs to be miserable for the rest of his life.
Anne Laurie
@Cheryl Rofer: If you’re not already following Philly guy Kilgore Trout’s tweets… you will enjoy them!
Baud
@Bill Arnold:
I don’t disagree, except that I’m pleased it most likely won’t make a difference in defeating Trump.
Immanentize
@Baud: I am really hopeful that the USPS Ballots end up being smaller than margins, because that would save this country a whole world of misery.
Spanky
@Cheryl Rofer:
Umm, that’s not really irregular for the president’s team.
jl
@Baud: There have been conflicting reports about whether there are a lot of ballots stalled in post offices or not. 12,000 sounds like a lot to me. I think more than enough to warrant serious investigation and sanctions, whether they affect the outcome of any state or not.
Immanentize
@Cheryl Rofer: who?
Baud
@jl:
Agree. And it may make a difference in other races.
Immanentize
@jl: Then you’ll know how many holes fill the Albert Hall.
Cheryl Rofer
A lot of concern among the people I follow who study authoritarianism. Junior has called for “total war.” Bannon has called for Fauci and Wray to be beheaded (sic).
jl
@Cheryl Rofer: Beheading solves the problem of spreading respiratory diseases. You can’t deny that.
MisterForkbeard
@Roger Moore: I think Georgia goes into recount state, but it’s going to be another one of those things where (assuming Biden pulls ahead by a couple thousand) the recount just isn’t going to DO anything.
The ‘cured’ ballots are also likely to have an impact, though disproportionately pro-Biden.
Chetan Murthy
Something I’ve been wondering: how are votes counted? I mean, you’d think they’d use ballot tabulating machines, and those should be able to do a ballot every few seconds (at worst?) I guess I’m surprised that it’s taking this long for ballots that are already in the hands of the election authorities.
But maybe I’ve misunderstood ….
Miss Bianca
@Cheryl Rofer: BWAH HA HA
Steve in the ATL
Freaking Georgia.
MisterForkbeard
@Cheryl Rofer: The extreme lack of respect here really does make me think the Lt. Governor believes Biden Has Got This.
UncleEbeneezer
@feebog: I imagine the GOP will rightfully view a double-victory for Dems in GA as a possible extinction level event. Especially since now, DC AND PR Statehood could happen with a Dem Trifecta, in addition to Voting Rights, Expanded Courts etc.
mikefromArlington
How is Ossoff officially in a run off?
Baud
I would love to see Biden take the lead in Pennsylvania while Trump is speaking.
Subsole
@cain:
Did we lose AZ??
MisterForkbeard
@mikefromArlington: I think the number of uncounted ballots left isn’t enough to push Perdue over 50%.
raven
I doubt if he is suddenly going to do something dignified.
Steve in the ATL
@mikefromArlington:
his opponent, David Perdue, from whom Perdue Chicken has distanced itself, failed to get 50% of the votes. Third parties FTW!
Subsole
@debbie: DeJoy needs to go to DeJail.
piratedan
@Subsole: its a process, 11% still out, Biden up by 65K, projections are …. mostly hopeful, but mixed
Miss Bianca
@Cheryl Rofer: Well, I *would* feel more worried about it, except that so far, the authoritarian followers are either *not* showing up in droves, or showing up and getting their asses handed to them by various other authorities such as law enforcement and judges.
And Bannon is where, again? Jail, right?
Maybe I’m just too worn out to worry about what’s going to happen once the election has been decided till…the election actually gets decided. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof, and all that…
jl
@Chetan Murthy: I think, depending on the state, there may be a long list to go through. First, get the damn ballot out of the envelope, and I wonder if doing that by machine risks spoiling too many ballots if there is a malfunction.
Then in PA, take it out of the inner BS ‘security envelope’, check signature, for some states check if name on list of valid excuses. If someone knows, please post an authoritative comment on it.
Anyway, this is why well functioning state governments arrange to start mail ballot processing well ahead of the election. There are many ways to reliably ensure that no one knows the counts before election day.
Baud
@Subsole:
AZ is going to be real close, but we’re favored to win currently.
Sm*t Cl*de
@Cheryl Rofer:
That worked so well for Goebbels.
PRO-TIP: Don’t plagiarise from the 1943 Sportpalast Speech unless you have a cyanide ampoule on hand.
Calouste
So the shitgibbon is already 15 minutes late for what probably going to be a 3 minute rant. They must have real issues tuning the meds at the moment.
raven
@Steve in the ATL: As we say here, he is kin to Sonny.
Roger Moore
@Chetan Murthy:
The slow part of counting mail-in ballots isn’t the counting; it’s doing all the double-checking to make sure it’s a valid ballot. That’s a painstaking manual process.
Subsole
@piratedan: Oh, jeeze. Thought it had been flipped…
Breathe deep.
mikefromArlington
I’d imagine it will be true but didn’t realise anything was official yet is all. He’s still above 50%.
MisterForkbeard
Another interesting bit – apparently in PA, Allegheny county has 30,000 ballots they’re not allowed to count until Friday afternoon. This is due to the problem where 29,000 voters were sent the wrong ballot, which we all commented on here.
It probably won’t matter at that point, but we’ll see how it goes.
Baud
AZ SoS is a Dem, thankfully.
Calouste
@Miss Bianca: If Bannon isn’t in jail he should be after calling for someone’s beheading.
debbie
@cain:
Pissed they got caught!
patroclus
Biden now trails by only 75,437 in Pa. The Orange liar is about to weigh in.
Steve in the ATL
@Subsole:
Please don’t ever make that typo again….
Baud
Trump up. Talking about illegal votes. MSNBC is cutting him off.
David ?Booooooo!? Koch
Jim Acosta torching Dump on CNN, saying “everything you are about to hear will be lies”
MisterForkbeard
@patroclus: I think we’re going with “I won and everyone’s stealing it from me. How could Hidin’ Joe Biden beat me? He can’t.”
@David ?Booooooo!? Koch: This is the approach the press should have taken for the last 2-3 years. I’m glad that NPR is being really up front about it – they still won’t use the word “lie” but they have headlines like “Claiming to have evidence but not presenting any, the Trump campaign and the Nevada Republican Party said….”.
rikyrah
@Subsole:
Nope
Subsole
@Steve in the ATL:
Yeah. Sorry. Corrected. Fat fingers, skinny keys.
jl
@Roger Moore: Thanks. I forgot that. Most ballots are machine readable. So one way, I think NV uses, is within a day that ballots arrive, to validate and prepare the ballots for reading, and load them into hoppers, stack hoppers in secure area in clerk’s office. Then election day morning, just load the hoppers with the mail ballots into the counting machine, press button, let machine count, and repeat, all day.
So delay is for ballots that arrived too late to do that, and provisional ballots.
I got anything wrong for NV, let me know.
debbie
@Baud:
That would only make things worse, so yes. If it did, Trump would file lawsuits forever.
geg6
@Cheryl Rofer:
Thst’s my Lt. Governor. Who I adore.❤️
Quinerly
@Baud: and trouble reading it.
Subsole
@David ?Booooooo!? Koch:
Well, hey. 4 years too late is better than never, I guess…
rikyrah
@Subsole:
Yep ???
Baud
I’m not a Brian Williams fan, but I liked they way he cut off Trump.
Martin
Ok, they need to stop allowing Trump on TV.
Baud
CNBC still airing Trump.
debbie
@geg6:
At last, someone names it what it is!
Subsole
@rikyrah:
I’m telling y’all the last 6 hrs have been the longest 50 years of my life.
jimmiraybob
Is there a Presidential Max Security Prison commission yet? I think that I meant to type library………never mind.
Chetan Murthy
@jl: @Roger Moore:Thank you both! OK, this makes sense. I asked partially b/c my French friend tells me that there, the polls close at 6pm, and by 8pm the results are announced on the television.
No mail-in ballots, but each precinct (“bureau de vote”) is small enough that a mayor or other public official, some government workers, and volunteers, can perform the tabulation process right onsite: the ballots are never moved, and the whole thing happens with great transparency.
I explained to him that some parts of our country worked hard to make such things impossible, but didn’t actually know why even now, with all the ballots collected in central locations, it’s taking so long.
Now I do Thank you both!
Roger Moore
@jl:
I think the point of the inner security envelope is that the ballot isn’t taken out of it until after it’s passed all the checks. The point of the security envelope is to keep the ballot secret while it’s undergoing those checks. Otherwise, a biased checker could decide how much scrutiny to give each ballot based on whether they liked the way it voted.
MisterForkbeard
@Baud: Is anyone paying attention to it? Or is it just more lies and yelling?
KM in NS
Trump is giving a lame presser. Sad!
geg6
@MisterForkbeard:
Nah. That’s how he rolls. He’s like 6’8” or 9. He can roll however he wants. He’s awesome.
Kent
It occurs to me that one plus with this current process of counting them after the election is that it removes some of the ability to rat-fuck by invalidating ballots for signature mismatch. Those folks in PA, GA, and AZ are going balls to the wall and have lots of eyes on them. That isn’t the case for say FL officials who were invalidating tens of thousands of Black and Hispanic ballots for signature “issues” two weeks ago.
Baud
@MisterForkbeard:
MSNBC stopped airing it within 30 seconds. CNBC stayed with it. BriWi said other networks stayed with him.
jl
@Chetan Murthy: Thanks for info. I think Canada uses a similar approach. If we spent as much money on elections as we should, as opposed to skimping on and starving every damn public function for resources, we could have a similar system.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Kent: H e started by saying if you count the legal votes, he won. I think we’ve just been told his definition of a legal vote.
MisterForkbeard
I have a team meeting in about 7 minutes, and I really hope one of these places gets called for Biden in the next hour. If so, I will pull out my bottle of 18-year Jameson and drink on camera.
My minions can report me if they want to. :)
Immanentize
@MisterForkbeard: No, I mean yes, uh, no
patroclus
@MisterForkbeard: Of course people are paying attention to the President – he’s live on CBS, ABC, Fox, OAN and CNN. Just because MSNBC cut him off doesn’t mean we should live in a bubble. He’s deliberately inciting his supporters.
Pa. down to 73,633.
Martin
@geg6: Yeah, he’s great. Remember when he was elected mayor. Wonderful to see he was able to move up politically, and hope he’s able to keep going.
VOR
@jl: I keep wondering about the economic hit due to messing up the USPS. Businesses rely on the USPS and if they can’t get reliable service they are forced to switch to higher cost carriers. But in many places there are no other carriers. Shipments were late, deliveries of medicine were late, etc…
I know Trump doesn’t care that other people were impacted but I hope somebody does a study to quantify the damage.
Baud
Major GA update coming out imminently. According to Kornacki.
Mallard Filmore
CBS over the air cut him off after about 5 minutes, fact checking his speech now.
jl
@Kent: I think it’s a trade off. Is better to be able to spot problems that would emerge weeks before an election and have time to get to court and work it out in an orderly way then, or deal with it after election day. IANAL or an election logistics person, so I have no clue about which is better.
MisterForkbeard
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Yeah, that’s… sad.
Shades of what he’s been doing for four years. Remember how he still says he won the popular vote in 2016 because California had a bunch of illegal mexicans vote, etc.? This isn’t new.
Kent
Like everyone else, I wanted a landslide on Tuesday.
But in a way, this has to be much more exquisitely painful for Trump world to see power slowly drip away and be helpless to stop it.
Fingers still crossed. But hell. If Trump is going to go down to defeat, I like seeing it drug out over 4 days to extend the torture.
Immanentize
@Kent: I also believe it spreads out — and defuses — the violent organized impulse to hit the streets.
Unique uid
@MisterForkbeard: More lies; starting 20 minutes late. Just Baby Trump having a tantrum. NBC people are pointing out the falsehoods now.
mikefromArlington
holy hell he’s lost his mind!
?BillinGlendaleCA
@jl: We can put them up with SteveintheATL.
jl
@VOR: Get out some stats on how many dead chick shipments were caused by the delays. USPS only organization that does that. Get them out to the public. Then we’ll start cooking with gas on bringing the evil doers to account.
Edit: I’m not entirely joking. I remember news stories about multiple, sometimes large, dead chick shipments, and results ranged from heartbreak to serious economic damage to businesses.
patroclus
Pa. down to 64,261.
Immanentize
@Baud: Ah ha!
debbie
@Baud:
Trump is expected to flog “suppression polls” as yet another grievance. All the polls with large Biden leads discouraged Trump’s supporters from voting for him.
(via Kellyann Conway on Fox)
raven
@Immanentize: I hope so, I’ve been having some serious non-buddhistic thoughts.
Baud
@patroclus:
Oh yeah. C’mon, baby.
Cheryl Rofer
A new record!
Steve in the ATL
@?BillinGlendaleCA: everyone is good with grits and authentic Brunswick stew for every meal, right?
Kent
My assumption is that 99.9999% to 100% of rejected ballots were, in fact legitimate ballots and not fraudulent. So the less they have a chance to toss them for bullshit technicalities, the better.
I will be interested to compare the mail ballot rejection rate in say FL to PA after all this is over.
Quinerly
@Mallard Filmore: I caught a little on Cheryl’s link. Very low energy. Trouble reading what’s on his papers. I left it when he was going on and on about Dems being in charge of voting and ballots in GA. Plus, he was babbling on about a water pipe that burst…
MisterForkbeard
@debbie: Well, fuck that. Trump spent months telling people not to trust the polls and not to participate, and openly spent weeks wanking about “shy Trump voters” and so on.
Dude can piss right up a tree.
Baud
@debbie:
Ok.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Immanentize: Well, they did count them all.
raven
@Steve in the ATL: With the squirrel heads peeking up at you?
Calouste
@Chetan Murthy: In the UK, neighbouring cities Newcastle (pop 300,000) and Sunderland (pop 280,000) race each other each election to complete the count as fast as possible. The winner takes about 90 minutes.
Dorothy A. Winsor
Baud
@Cheryl Rofer:
Daniel Dale is going to need to detox after Biden takes office.
Keith P.
I’m starting to think that Trump’s impending talk show is going to be wayyyy more boring than people expect.
jl
@debbie: OK, fine, Biden can sue over all the GOP poll spamming in the last weeks of the elections. Plenty of those gave big over estimates in favor of Trump.
But, yeeesh, how do we know what might be suppression polls or spam until we know what the actual results are? They are far gone into obvious nonsense a grade school kid can spot, and explain very clearly.
Quinerly
@Steve in the ATL: I prefer Brunswick Stew over Burgoo. ?
MisterForkbeard
@Quinerly: When you’re complaining about a single voting location that opened up 45 minutes because there was an easily verifiable issue with the building, you’ve got less than nothing.
Steve in the ATL
@raven:
Damn straight–I said “authentic”, didn’t I?
Is there still that place on Atlanta Highway near Berlin maybe that serves it?
Immanentize
@Kent:
Agree! Signature match is a reading quiz from Jim Crow.
Baud
GA update now.
Baud
GA down to 3635 difference.
Miss Bianca
@Kent: Yeah, I’m doing my best to live with that silver lining to the cloud of uncertainty: that however torturous this process is proving for *me*, it’s got to be EVEN WORSE for Trump voters.
Good. Great, even!
Why yes, the last four years *have* made me even more of an asshole than I used to be, how’s about that?
jl
@MisterForkbeard: Secret water pipe busting ninja squads, funded by Soros. Only a fool can’t, or a knave won’t, acknowledge it.
Edit: it’s a well known plan: bust water pipe, ???, fixed election.
Steve in the ATL
@Quinerly: not sure if that’s good or bad….
Immanentize
@raven: You are the one who normally leads on this. Let me take it for a moment? Then, back to calm non violence.
raven
@Steve in the ATL: We used to go to Hot Thomas BBQ on 15 headed your way. I liked the stew but the chicken mull was a killer! Ol Hot shot himself in his truck in the Tractor Supply parking lot.
Cheryl Rofer
Stumbles through prepared text, doesn’t take questions.
Quinerly
@Steve in the ATL: well, you know where Burgoo is from, don’t you?
raven
@Immanentize: Let’s say I’m prepared for the worst and hoping for the best.
artem1s
can’t believe 24 hours ago we were sweating MI, WI and MN. c’mon GA and PA!
patroclus
@Baud: shtick stealer:-) Go Georgia Dem voters!
Mallard Filmore
@jl:
There is a whole slice of industry devoted to Open-Extract machines. For example opex.com The machines will also orient the page to flip back-to-front, fix upside down, and if there is a check in the envelope put it first or last as the customer desires.
It is big business for companies that receive thousands and thousands of bill payments a day. Insurance, credit cards, loans, etc.
Immanentize
@?BillinGlendaleCA: I demand a recount!!!!
frosty
@Cheryl Rofer: I love John Fetterman. Looking forward to voting for him for something again.
Roger Moore
@jl:
Part of the problem in PA, WI, and MI is that the Republicans deliberately prevented poll workers from preprocessing the mail-in ballots. They weren’t allowed to start working on them until election day. The whole plan was to give Trump an apparent big lead on election day so he could claim the election was being stolen when the mail-in ballots were finally counted.
Baud
GA is going to be damn close.
cain
@Subsole:
Oh wait till after the election – the media is going to completely ignore him – they will be too busy talking about Biden and McConnell and other stuff.
He’s going to be really mad and he’ll likely do and say something to get that attention back – and I still expect him to travel and tell people “the truth”
jl
@Kent: I agree that a comparative analysis of different states with different methods a good idea.
Steve in the ATL
@Quinerly:
Kentucky, I thought, by way of France, but I could have DuckDuckGoed it, I suppose.
BTW, a couple of weeks ago someone, a prankster I assume, left the new Yellow Pages directory in my driveway. Seriously?
debbie
@jl:
Trump The Genius.
Hey, I didn’t get a chance to thank you for your post about what’s involved in getting accurate polls. I have to ask, even if polls are accurate, who will trust them?
Quinerly
@artem1s: I think the longer this drags out it is worse for Trump and his supporters. Trump is not holding up well. Call it my spidey sense.
Immanentize
@Baud: He has already surrendered to: It’s all lies.
artem1s
@cain:
it’s going to be nonstop rallies that the media won’t cover and they will have to pay people to come to. glorious.
Quinerly
@Steve in the ATL: Now that’s funny about the YP. Glad it made its way to you. ?
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@frosty:
Dude looks like a Klingon.
ka-Plagh!
raven
@Steve in the ATL: Berlin?
Zzyzx
Biden’s raw vote lead in Arizona is now greater than Trump’s in Pennsylvania despite PA having twice as many votes!
Martin
I can’t believe we have a republican president standing at the podium of the WH calling overseas military votes illegal. Fuck this guy.
Immanentize
@raven: That is an entire novel.
jl
@Roger Moore: And I think the depraved PA leg was the most ruthless about it. I think the others agreed to some small fixes, maybe to avoid looking like assholes, or election people scared them about probable chaos dumped into their laps.
I think WI leg might have remembered that, IIRC, they don’t have option of dealing with a total unresolved election bollocks by intervening directly (like stealing the election by just appointing electors).
Steve in the ATL
@Baud:
Raven, Subaru Diane, and I are all Chicago natives who are now Georgia voters. You know damn well that each of us voted at least that many times!
debbie
@Roger Moore:
Isn’t it PA where Trump’s lawyers won the lawsuit about observers being allowed closer? I believe I heard they were allowed closer, but have already filed a second lawsuit because it wasn’t close enough.
Martin
@Steve in the ATL: We got ours last week. Had to explain what it was to my daughter. She’s 19.
Kent
My MAGA relatives have been reduced to consoling themselves by freely trading in the most ridiculous conspiracy theories imaginable. And making lame-ass jokes like: Well I guess Biden won Ukraine”
It’s delightful. Knock on wood, it ain’t over yet. But I think our position is brighter than theirs.
MisterForkbeard
@Baud: And with how many remaining, though?
Immanentize
@raven: A few days ago you were, “not one single chance in GA.”. Probably still, in the end, right, but damn! Good on Georgia!
Kathleen
Has anyone seen this video? It is so uplifting! Montage of Biden/Harris/Obama/John Lewis/RBG dancing to YMCA:
cain
@Baud:
shiiiitt.. oh yeah.. this is like watching the New Years Eve Ball or something – go go go!
Baud
@MisterForkbeard:
Not clear. I want to say about 15,000. Some in Trump counties but most in Dem counties.
Baud
GA will go to recount.
debbie
@Martin:
That is the true picture of his loyalty.
Steve in the ATL
@Immanentize:
hell, I’m so excited I even shared a bottle of wine with a Georgia Tech grad tonight!
cain
Towards the end, nobody is going to show up but crackheads – and of course – people will be stuck and not able to go back – but then again it might be few enough that they might just need to send a 1972 VW Bug to pick em up
Wapiti
@Roger Moore: In WA the inner envelope says in large letters “Optional Security Sleeve”. My understanding is that it slows down the process a smidge and the election types would rather it wasn’t there. They really don’t care who voted for whom, nor do they have time to look.
Baud
About 8900 military ballots too. So they could decide the race in Georgia.
Subsole
@cain: As long as he’s leaving he can smoke a damn rope for all I care.
debbie
Not a fan of Williams, but this is amusing (from The Guardian Live Blog):
raven
@Immanentize: I didn’t even mention what caused Hot to do himself. This was funky old bbq on the side of the highway that also had peach processing and log yard. A guy parked his rig in the lot and Hot got pissed, dragged him out of the cab and beat his ass. He got thrown in the Oconee County Clink (formerly called “The Yella House”) bringing great shame on the Thomas dynasty. Tttttthat’s all folks.
Kent
@Steve in the ATL: Stacy Abrams for whatever damn job she wants in Biden Administration. Even Attorney General.
hueyplong
@Steve in the ATL: I love grits, but then I lived in ATL for 20 years.
cain
@Steve in the ATL:
Y’alls, we are celebrating black appreciation month – for all of this year and next.
MoCA Ace
Only if it’s made with real squirrel.
raven
@Steve in the ATL: EWWWW (I still have my Buzz Card)!
Quinerly
My new favorite comeback to these “Stop the count” folks. Not original to me but I added my twist:
A vote’s life begins when it is put in an envelope. It is against the Almighty’s will to kill it before it is counted.
Immanentize
@Steve in the ATL: You probably got Covid.
PsiFighter37
We’re gonna fucking win Georgia. This is awesome.
Martin
@debbie: Yes. Their plan is to keep filing suits, which halts counting until the suit is resolved, with the hopes of buying time for other legal efforts to come in, or more likely, for his voters to turn out and create chaos.
Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho
@Immanentize:
I’ll take a turn. I’m about exhausted with the effort of calm non violent thoughts.
Immanentize
@raven: wow. Really. Southern gothic.
dmsilev
@Kathleen:
None of them can
dancelurch-and-stagger to YMCA as well as Trump.Kent
In case no one has noticed the PA gap is now down to 64,266 according to the NYT interactive map.
drip drip drip….
Kathleen
@geg6: I can see why.
Immanentize
@Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho: But, isn’t that the ever present challenge? I never really am meeting it.
PS. So glad to ‘see’ you!
Immanentize
@dmsilev: but they move their feet!
Subsole
@Kent: How many left to count?
jl
@Wapiti: ” They really don’t care who voted for whom, nor do they have time to look. ”
I love the traditional election officials’ prayer, and I do think they say it every night before they tuck themselves into bed during election time: ‘Oh Lord, I don’t care who wins, just please don’t make it close.’
Baud
@Kent:
Are they working all night?
I have to decide whether to go to sleep tonight.
Martin
@Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho: I lost the battle months ago. I’ve never actually wished harm on anyone before, but if Trump showed up outside my house I’d legit beat him to death with my favorite shovel and not be the least bit remorseful. Whatever punishment I got would be both deserved and worth it.
hueyplong
@Martin: Baseball bat. Well, softball bat.
gwangung
@Subsole: 25K
@Martin: I wouldn’t kill him. But I might let my sadistic side indulge itself.
Immanentize
@Martin: I too have resolved myself to punishment for certain wrongs. But all my focus is on certain Justices.
Timing is everything.
cain
Tom Nichols is having a grand old time smacking around Republicans with more glee than most of us.
Yarrow
Baud
Biden got more votes in GA from a Trump county!
Immanentize
Gotta go! see y’all in the funny papers
MisterForkbeard
@Martin: Yeah. I know what you mean.
There are some behaviors I just won’t tolerate any longer, and honestly if I saw Trump in person at this point I would absolute punch him in the nose without hesitation.
Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho
And, Anderson Cooper wins the image of the month (year?) award:
https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1324506114164228098
Matt McIrvin
Just heard that NBC, ABC and CBS all cut off Trump’s rant?
Immanentize
@Yarrow: Who are you? SenyorDave?
Martin
@Baud: Wow, you get to decide? My anxiety has completely taken that decision over.
Zzyzx
@Yarrow: mockery is a great way to defuse an egotist.
raven
@Baud: Forsyth ain’t what it used to be.
David ?Booooooo!? Koch
debbie
@Yarrow:
I’m not sure that’s true. Just about every news outlet points out the lack of veracity in Trump’s remarks.
I don’t think they do it forcefully enough (they should say he “lies”), but they do say his words are unsubstantiated, untrue, not so, etc.
Matt McIrvin
@Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho: It’s a very special version of the Voight-Kampff test where you don’t have to explain why you’re not helping.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho: Yes, were we send Mr Anderson’s internets for that one?
MisterForkbeard
@gwangung: That 25k is for Georgia, right?
If the margin is down to 3500 already, then we’ve basically got it with that many remaining. It takes less than 60% Biden at that point to end up with a 1000 vote cushion. He gets a lot more than than on average.
Baud
@raven:
Trump won the county, but Biden won this batch of votes from there.
Kathleen
@dmsilev: I love that they used YMCA! Master trolling!
Baud
@Martin:
I’m so exhausted.
jl
@Baud: the quiet strength of Baud XXXX!! is carrying us through tough times yet again.
Edit: I’ve forgotten whether the XXXX is a place holder the year of destiny, or what he’s drinking these days.
raven
@Baud: I know that but if you’ve lived here as long as I have you know that the place has changed greatly.
Quinerly
@Baud: you watching MSNBC? (Kornacki sp?… hasn’t changed his pants in 5 days?)
I’m convinced Biden will take GA.
Steve in the ATL
@raven:
@Baud:
Forsyth County, just north of Atlanta, was the last place in Georgia to have an active KKK chapter. Now it’s a white flight haven from metro Atlanta taxes. No one seems to mind that their schools suck because of the low taxes.
zhena gogolia
@raven:
It would be so sweet.
OGLiberal
@Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho: An American poet. May jaw dropped…and I loved it.
Baud
@Quinerly:
I’m watching MSNBC. Kornacki was just speculating that Biden could win GA by a decent bit of the rest of the mail in ballots are strongly Biden. Although I think the military ballots are outstanding.
JPL
@Baud: When I first moved here in the late eighties a friend and I went up to look at Forsyth for a House show. I got lost and had to stop to ask for directions.. This was the time of no Garmin.. I locked her in the car with directions of not opening it for anyone. She was black.
She also became extremely wealthy so doesn’t think trump is that bad… so there is that.
Martin
@David ?Booooooo!? Koch: They need to start throwing shoes. Please WH correspondents. You know you want to. I promise you Trump’s reflexes aren’t as good as Dubyas.
OGLiberal
Well, that was some weird shit.
patroclus
@Kathleen: What I love is the transformation of the YMCA song. It was SO gay when it first came out (and everyone knew what the lyrics “do whatever you feel” meant). But now, it’s one of the most mainstream songs around – played at ballgames, women’s exercise classes and even Trump rallies. Absolutely hilarious…
dmsilev
@Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho: See, this is what happens when Donald Trump and Mitch McConnell get intermingled by the teleporter.
Timurid
Those military votes are going to decide Georgia, and I have no clue how they will go…
OGLiberal
@Martin: The most impressive thing I saw Bush do during his presidency, by far.
Kathleen
@Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho: So nice to “see” you! I don’t waste my energy on calming non violent thoughts. I let them rip then go back to watching L&O reruns and fall asleep in front of the TV. (I lead a simple life). I hope all is well!
Baud
@OGLiberal:
Hi, George.
raven
Forsyth County
Civil Rights March, January, 1987
Baud
@JPL: I’m glad you didn’t get hurt having a black friend.
jl
@OGLiberal: They way Bush dodged them made my proud of my country, probably one and only time during GW Bush presidency. His daily gym workouts paid off.
cain
@Timurid:
Yes, unless there is a decent enough cushion. I’m hoping that we get enough that it won’t matter if all of them are Trump. But the military I think have soured on Trump over time – but you’ll probably definitely find Trumpers. I know at the beginning he had a huge fan base there.
dmsilev
@OGLiberal:
2020, in a nutshell.
Kent
I don’t think it’s just military ballots.
There are a shitload of rejected mail-in ballots that can still be cured by voters up until tomorrow evening. Those will mostly be Dem because Dems mostly voted by mail.
And I’m guessing a ton of provisional ballots from people who were wrongly stripped off the voting rolls. Didn’t Georgia do a big voter purge of mostly Black voters and force a lot of people to vote by provisional ballot?
I haven’t seen any numbers on those. But there has to be a lot of them.
Martin
@Baud: Obama was winning enlisted military ballots. The military enlisted is disproportionately POC now.
cain
@dmsilev:
More like the last 4 years.
JPL
@raven: We moved here shortly after that. They are still here and it’s surprising that they aren’t out now
We are gonna be blue by the morning.
hueyplong
@Baud: How cool would it be if the military votes administered the coup de gras to the guy who didn’t lift a finger when bounties were put on their heads?
trollhattan
@David ?Booooooo!? Koch:
Damn well deserves his shots. Trump and Possum Queen both singled him out, and PQ called him ignorant or worse, I forget the details now.
You’re all of us, Jim Costa.
Baud
@Martin:
That’s my hope too. If Biden is ahead, we just need a draw in the military ballots.
Martin
@OGLiberal: Yeah, that was some solid juking.
West of the Cascades
@Martin: The last batch in GA as I understand it is “military and overseas ballots” – and I’d imagine that GA voters living overseas are more likely to vote D than R. But haven’t seen any breakdown of numbers of each type of ballot.
debbie
@jl:
Spryness is a requirement for all cheerleaders.
WaterGirl
@Steve in the ATL: So glad you are back.
Yutsano
@trollhattan: I need links to this. I need links to this like now…
Subsole
@Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho:
“Why aren’t you helping, Leon?”
Redshift
@debbie: Yeah, it took them way too long to learn, but BBC crawl has “Trump repeats baseless claims of voter fraud,” and no quote from him.
WaterGirl
@Baud: Are you saying that, or did someone else say that?
bluefish
@cain: Indeed. Me too.
Subsole
@jl: Yes.
Kent
@Baud: It won’t just be military ballots deciding it. Also provisional ballots too. I can’t find any statewide numbers, but this article from yesterday said 882 provisional ballots in Cobb County alone. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/04/us/politics/in-georgia-about-100000-votes-separate-candidates.html I think Georgia purged a lot of Black voters off the rolls so a lot of those provisionals might be Black voters who were purged and voted provisional.
Bill Arnold
@jl:
It was a Republican false-flag operation!
Baud
@WaterGirl:
An earlier prediction on MSNBC was that the result will be close enough to require a recount.
LurkerNoLonger
I’m going to go out on a limb and say this is over by tomorrow. PA and NV for Biden. GA is just cake.
Calouste
@hueyplong: “Coup de grace”, not “coup de gras”. Although, as “gras” means “fat” in French, it is not completely out of context…
Mallard Filmore
@Matt McIrvin: CBS over the air, yes.
hueyplong
@Calouste: You got it! I thought no one would.
David ?Booooooo!? Koch
@Kathleen: WIN!
Barack – he’s is all that.
debbie
Never mind. Figured it out.
Richard
@Dagaetch: what is “curing” a ballot? Is it a synonym for verifying?
The language is changing so fast, i can’t keep up. So far, all i got is a handful of acronyms. FWIW, IMHO, SMH, WTF??
jl
@Baud:
” Biden got more votes in GA from a Trump county! ”
Yes, the rural (edit: sorry I assumed you referred to a rural county, but I don’t know that) movement toward Trump in places will be interesting to look into. As I noted, a number of rural areas in NV that I thought would be 100 percent Trump split 50-50 or went to Biden.
One of Leantossup’s insights and serious problems was that they picked this up in many districts, but then overgeneralized to produce forecasts that were far too optimistic (given what we know about the results so far, but I think that judgment will stand after all the votes are counted).
Roger Moore
@Baud:
I checked on the rules earlier. There are no mandatory recounts in Georgia, but the loser can request a recount if the result is within 0.5%. I assume that will happen no matter which candidate is on the short end.
Yarrow
@Immanentize: Just aware that the people who voted for him about believe his crazy are still going to be with us. I have no idea what to do about that. Obvs a solid educational program on disinformation and propaganda and how to identify it, etc. but that’s not going to happen.
zhena gogolia
@Kathleen:
That is really nice. Take “YMCA” back!
?BillinGlendaleCA
@jl: Even I was pretty impressed with George when I saw that.
japa21
Just because there things other than the election happening:
Roughly 113K new Covid cases today and 1,100 deaths. I am noticing that taking 1% of new cases gives you the death total. And those deaths will keep rising. IL, which had been doing so well, had just under 10K new cases and 97 new deaths reported today.
The state is recommending that all election judges, such as myself should get a Covid test in the next 5-7 days. On the plus side, not a single voter came in without a mask and I was masked, shielded and gloved, so odds are probably in my favor.
Roger Moore
@Richard:
Curing a ballot is rectifying whatever problems caused it to be rejected. For example, if you forgot to sign it or they said your signature didn’t match, you could come in and provide your signature.
guachi
@Timurid: I’m on a FB group for First Class Petty Officers. We know we are all military and yet there are A LOT of people who have had it with Trump and are willing to state it on a FB group.
I wouldn’t bet the military vote leans too much to Trump, if at all.
mrmoshpotato
@Calouste: What French for “Electorally punching the Kremlin’s traitorous orange bitch so tremendous bigly in his fat, orange, fascist face that he tries to flee to Moscow tonight to cry to his Daddy Vladdy like the Soviet shitpile mobster conman that he’s been since at least 1987″?
jl
@?BillinGlendaleCA: ” Even I was pretty impressed with George when I saw that. ”
Problem for me was that for someone to be moved to throw stuff at the president was alarming, and disgraceful for us when I considered the reporter’s point of view on it. But having an agile physically fit pres was a small consolation.
Roger Moore
@japa21:
The Dakotas are really scary right now. North Dakota topped 2,000 positives per million population, the first time that has happened anywhere in the US. South Dakota had a 58% positive test rate (1360 positives from 2340 tests). That’s approaching the levels New York had in March, and it surely means they’re missing many cases for each one they catch.
Calouste
@Roger Moore: Important question: does the loser have to pay for the estimated costs of the recount in advance?
Calouste
@mrmoshpotato: By an extraordinary coincidence, “Electorally punching the Kremlin’s traitorous orange bitch so tremendous bigly in his fat, orange, fascist face that he tries to flee to Moscow tonight to cry to his Daddy Vladdy like the Soviet shitpile mobster conman that he’s been since at least 1987″ is also “gras” in French.
Roger Moore
@mrmoshpotato:
According to Google, that would be “Frappant électoralement la salope orange traître du Kremlin si énormément dans son visage gras, orange et fasciste qu’il tente de fuir à Moscou ce soir pour pleurer à son papa Vladdy comme l’escroc soviétique de gangsters de merde qu’il est depuis au moins 1987“.
Roger Moore
@Calouste:
No. Too bad, because I think Trump would have trouble coming up with the cash.
Sab
@Martin: Also Beau served during wartime and the military people know that.
David ?Booooooo!? Koch
Dan B
@Quinerly: @Quinerly: Korea kind will have to surrender his gay card if this is true. Khakis must be changed slightly less often than Cher’s outfits.
Kent
Fixing whatever caused them to reject it.
Could be missing signature
Could be mis-matched signature
Could be missing date next to the signature
Most rejected ballots are actually from valid voters so most can be cured.
mrmoshpotato
@David ?Booooooo!? Koch: And we dirty liberals will remember that all of those Lincoln Project bastards spent their entire adult lives building the monster factory that finally produced a better conman than they could’ve ever imagined, and the bastards couldn’t control the conman.
FUCK! THEM!
Geminid
@Kent: I think the job Stacey Abrams wants is Governor of Georgia. She might start her campaign to kick cheatin’ Brian Kemp out of the Governor’s Mansion after the Senate runoffs. Georgians need a good governor, and Abrams could be a great one. And she is relatively young. Twelve years from now, she may picking her own Cabinet.
Dan B
@patroclus: Back in the bad old days the Diversey (sp?) Y on the near north side of Chicago was a major cruising location, as were Y’s all over the country. The fire escape on the north side was a place of assignation. The residential towers for half a mile had many telescopes in the windows facing toward the Y. Note: You could see half a dozen stars in the Chicago night sky.
Another note: This was a time when it was risky to have a guy over to your apartment or have a regular boyfriend and no wife or girlfriend. A lot of guys went home to their wives in the burbs after making out. Quite a few wouldn’t kiss because they “weren’t gay”.
Bad old days.
Kathleen
@David ?Booooooo!? Koch: Isn’t he? I needed that video.
Kathleen
@zhena gogolia: (whispers) I love disco!
Betty
@jl: PA just changed the law to allow every one to vote by mail no excuse needed.
Dan B
@Dan B: Kornacki, not Korea… autocorrect :<(
The Moar You Know
@?BillinGlendaleCA: He did three things absolutely right, and yeah, probably the high point of his presidency:
1. Dodged the shoes.
2. Did not panic (that is huge, actually)
3. Didn’t flee the room. He’s the president, he’s got to stand strong and he did. Trump would have fled, any doubts about that?
moops
@Ksmiami: Wouldn’t the amount of money it would take to win these races “infinite”?
We flushed $1.5B on Senate races that ended up being lost causes. For $15B we could literally *buy* Fox Corporation (FOXA) and end this insanity forever.
Suzanne
@Miss Bianca:
Come sit by me.
A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)
@Quinerly: No, Nicolle Wallace announced today that Steve has several pairs of khakis and that it isn’t the same pair since Tuesday night. She was teasing him but I think it is true. :-)
I get the impression he is one of those guys who has multiple sets of preferred clothing. Less decision making required to get dressed. (Like Einstein who is said to have had 5 identical suits).
Suzanne
I have been coping with my stress by ordering from Sephora. Their annual sale started on Election Day. I have placed four orders so far (two are gifts).
Kayla Rudbek
@hueyplong:
Tactical umbrella is IMAO easier to carry around without raising eyebrows
FelonyGovt
I’ve ordered as well. That was a clever piece of timing on their part.@Suzanne:
Miss Bianca
@Kent: I’m torn between saying “hell yeah” to that sentiment, and wanting her to stay in GA and become governor. Although maybe that could be her gig *after* a stint in the Biden Administration…
Miss Bianca
@Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho:
You’re baaaaaack!! (Kermit arms flailing)
And yes, even without the sound, just with the subtitles, that was fucking awesome.
Suzanne
@FelonyGovt: Oh yeah, I am sure it is intentional timing. Someone knows that we have all this stress acne and accelerated aging from ***gestures broadly*** and we need to feel less ugly and to send gifts.
Darkrose
@SiubhanDuinne: Another link to where we can donate to Stacy Abrams’ group would be great as well.
sgrAstar
@moops: Fox News is not for sale. That money was not wasted- it supported dem activists and dem infrastructure nationwide. A young family member of mine learned so much about organizing and GOTV over the last year- he is now a networked, connected weapon for progressivism. And there are hundreds… thousands?…just like him. Motivated, knowledgeable, ready. It’s awesome.
?
SWMBO
@Steve in the ATL: Where do you buy Brunswick? Do you order it online or is it locally sourced? Gluten free?
SFAW
@Steve in the ATL:
I am literally happy to see you back.