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  3. 3.

    cain

    Nice to get a bit of McCain in here.

    I think I will make some dinner and have it all ready for me to eat. It’s like 3pm right now but it feels like evening has set in already – hardly any light. That’s portland for you.

  4. 4.

    MisterForkbeard

    Interesting. So Georgia is…. what, needs about a 65% Biden Win Rate in the remaining ballots to go Biden.

    About the same as in PA. Given the trends, we probably got both of them but who the fuck knows.

  7. 7.

    SiubhanDuinne

    Jon Ossoff has officially advanced to a runoff, which means he and Raphael Warnock will both be on the ballot in Georgia on January 5, 2021!!

    I hope this means that DougJ is going to put up three fresh ActBlue thermometers: one for each candidate, and one combined for a Flip Georgia in the Senate. I’ve already donated small amounts to Warnock and Ossoff; will do much more in the coming two months.

  8. 8.

    JPL

    When I moved here GA was blue.   Roy Barnes changed the flag with the promise that Corporations would support him on his next run.   Yup fool me once,  yadda, yadda, yadda..   He was ten times better than Zell.

  10. 10.

    cain

    @MisterForkbeard:

    I’m kind of irritated with Arizona – and I know that maricopa isn’t precisely a blue district but the suburbs have been going for Biden. But then again this is the place that has re-elected a racist sheriff repeatedly.

  14. 14.

    debbie

    @MisterForkbeard:

    The Guardian reports another complication:

    More than 150,000 mail-in ballots were not delivered by election day, according to a Washington Post analysis of agency data.

    More than 12,000 of the undelivered ballots caught up in US Postal Service facilities are in states that remain too close to call.

  16. 16.

    mad citizen

    Seeing some twitter chatter that something is happening; activity/speakers at Biden HQ

    Oh, trump speaking at 6:30.  More bullshit I’m sure.

  22. 22.

    Roger Moore

    @MisterForkbeard:

    I don’t see how Georgia avoids a recount.  It’s going to be a razor thin margin one way or the other.  Fortunately, it looks likely it won’t be the decisive state, so we won’t be waiting on the recount to know Biden won.

  23. 23.

    randy khan

    I suggest that DougJ put up some pretty big thermometers for the Georgia runoffs.  (Yes, I know that size and amount aren’t really related, but you know what I mean.)

  24. 24.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    I’ve already donated small amounts to Warnock and Ossoff

    I mean just since it was clear that both would go to runoffs; naturally, I supported them both to the best of my ability during the campaign. But now we’ve mashed the reset button.

  25. 25.

    Baud

    @debbie:

    More than 12,000 of the undelivered ballots caught up in US Postal Service facilities are in states that remain too close to call

    If we get Penn by the margins they are talking about, then thankfully this will not have made a difference in the presidential race.

  26. 26.

    Cheryl Rofer

  27. 27.

    mrmoshpotato

    Georgia judge throws out Trump campaign lawsuit on absentee ballots

    And no doubt the traitorous orange Soviet shitpile is having a tremendous bigly SAD!

  30. 30.

    jl

    Need someone to do an analysis on whether several  millions more people can fit inside Georgia for the GOTV ground game.

  32. 32.

    feebog

    You gotta wonder how much enthusiasm Republicans are going to have in a runoff election over the holidays now that Trumpov is a melted glob of orange goop.  I think Democratic excitement is going to be through the roof.  Let’s do this.

  33. 33.

    jl

    @Cheryl Rofer: ” Anyone want me to post the video of Trump’s speech? You can find it here. ”

    I didn’t know that there was a Trump speech. Should we thank you or curse you for bringing it to our attention?

    Edit: sorry, I forgot to answer your question: NO! But if I need to watch the damn thing…. no, sorry, just can’t bring myself to type it.

  35. 35.

    Bill Arnold

    @Baud:

    If we get Penn by the margins they are talking about, then thankfully this will not have made a difference in the presidential race.

    I don’t care. Want Louis DeJoy and any underlings who assisted him to be prosecuted. (I want worse, but that would be a good start.) ETA I do care about winning PA, just that Dejoy needs to be miserable for the rest of his life.

  39. 39.

    Spanky

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    the only irregularity we had was the President’s team rolling up to Philadelphia in a clown car

     

    Umm, that’s not really irregular for the president’s team.

  40. 40.

    jl

    @Baud: There have been conflicting reports about whether there are a lot of ballots stalled in post offices or not. 12,000 sounds like a lot to me. I think more than enough to warrant serious investigation and sanctions, whether they affect the outcome of any state or not.

  44. 44.

    Cheryl Rofer

    A lot of concern among the people I follow who study authoritarianism. Junior has called for “total war.” Bannon has called for Fauci and Wray to be beheaded (sic).

  46. 46.

    MisterForkbeard

    @Roger Moore: I think Georgia goes into recount state, but it’s going to be another one of those things where (assuming Biden pulls ahead by a couple thousand) the recount just isn’t going to DO anything.

    The ‘cured’ ballots are also likely to have an impact, though disproportionately pro-Biden.

  47. 47.

    Chetan Murthy

    Something I’ve been wondering: how are votes counted?  I mean, you’d think they’d use ballot tabulating machines, and those should be able to do a ballot every few seconds (at worst?)  I guess I’m surprised that it’s taking this long for ballots that are already in the hands of the election authorities.

    But maybe I’ve misunderstood ….

  49. 49.

    Steve in the ATL

    some counties had forgotten “to press the upload button,” and that they’ve been reminded to do so.

    Freaking Georgia.

  51. 51.

    UncleEbeneezer

    @feebog: I imagine the GOP will rightfully view a double-victory for Dems in GA as a possible extinction level event.  Especially since now, DC AND PR Statehood could happen with a Dem Trifecta, in addition to Voting Rights, Expanded Courts etc.

  60. 60.

    Miss Bianca

    @Cheryl Rofer: Well, I *would* feel more worried about it, except that so far, the authoritarian followers are either *not* showing up in droves, or showing up and getting their asses handed to them by various other authorities such as law enforcement and judges.

    And Bannon is where, again? Jail, right?

    Maybe I’m just too worn out to worry about what’s going to happen once the election has been decided till…the election actually gets decided. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof, and all that…

  61. 61.

    jl

    @Chetan Murthy: I think, depending on the state, there may be a long list to go through. First, get the damn ballot out of the envelope, and I wonder if doing that by machine risks spoiling too many ballots if there is a malfunction.

    Then in PA, take it out of the inner BS ‘security envelope’, check signature, for some states check if name on list of valid excuses. If someone knows, please post an authoritative comment on it.

    Anyway, this is why well functioning state governments arrange to start mail ballot processing well ahead of the election. There are many ways to reliably ensure that no one knows the counts before election day.

  63. 63.

    Sm*t Cl*de

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    Junior has called for “total war.”

    That worked so well for Goebbels.

    PRO-TIP: Don’t plagiarise from the 1943 Sportpalast Speech unless you have a cyanide ampoule on hand.

  64. 64.

    Calouste

    So the shitgibbon is already 15 minutes late for what probably going to be a 3 minute rant. They must have real issues tuning the meds at the moment.

  68. 68.

    mikefromArlington

    I’d imagine it will be true but didn’t realise anything was official yet is all.  He’s still above 50%.

  69. 69.

    MisterForkbeard

    Another interesting bit – apparently in PA, Allegheny county has 30,000 ballots they’re not allowed to count until Friday afternoon. This is due to the problem where 29,000 voters were sent the wrong ballot, which we all commented on here.

    It probably won’t matter at that point, but we’ll see how it goes.

  76. 76.

    David ?Booooooo!? Koch

    Jim Acosta torching Dump on CNN, saying “everything you are about to hear will be lies”

  77. 77.

    MisterForkbeard

    @patroclus: I think we’re going with “I won and everyone’s stealing it from me. How could Hidin’ Joe Biden beat me? He can’t.”

    @David ?Booooooo!? Koch: This is the approach the press should have taken for the last 2-3 years. I’m glad that NPR is being really up front about it – they still won’t use the word “lie” but they have headlines like “Claiming to have evidence but not presenting any, the Trump campaign and the Nevada Republican Party said….”.

  80. 80.

    jl

    @Roger Moore: Thanks. I forgot that. Most ballots are machine readable. So one way, I think NV uses, is within a day that ballots arrive, to validate and prepare the ballots for reading, and load them into hoppers, stack hoppers in secure area in clerk’s office. Then election day morning, just load the hoppers with the mail ballots into the counting machine, press button, let machine count, and repeat, all day.

    So delay is for ballots that arrived too late to do that, and provisional ballots.

    I got anything wrong for NV, let me know.

  91. 91.

    jimmiraybob

    Is there a Presidential Max Security Prison commission yet?  I think that I meant to type library………never mind.

  92. 92.

    Chetan Murthy

    @jl:  @Roger Moore:Thank you both!  OK, this makes sense.  I asked partially b/c my French friend tells me that there, the polls close at 6pm, and by 8pm the results are announced on the television.

    No mail-in ballots, but each precinct (“bureau de vote”) is small enough that a mayor or other public official, some government workers, and volunteers, can perform the tabulation process right onsite: the ballots are never moved, and the whole thing happens with great transparency.

    I explained to him that some parts of our country worked hard to make such things impossible, but didn’t actually know why even now, with all the ballots collected in central locations, it’s taking so long.

    Now I do  Thank you both!

  93. 93.

    Roger Moore

    @jl:

    Then in PA, take it out of the inner BS ‘security envelope’, check signature, for some states check if name on list of valid excuses. If someone knows, please post an authoritative comment on it.

    I think the point of the inner security envelope is that the ballot isn’t taken out of it until after it’s passed all the checks.  The point of the security envelope is to keep the ballot secret while it’s undergoing those checks.  Otherwise, a biased checker could decide how much scrutiny to give each ballot based on whether they liked the way it voted.

  97. 97.

    Kent

    @jl:

    @Chetan Murthy: I think, depending on the state, there may be a long list to go through. First, get the damn ballot out of the envelope, and I wonder if doing that by machine risks spoiling too many ballots if there is a malfunction.

    Then in PA, take it out of the inner BS ‘security envelope’, check signature, for some states check if name on list of valid excuses. If someone knows, please post an authoritative comment on it.

    Anyway, this is why well functioning state governments arrange to start mail ballot processing well ahead of the election. There are many ways to reliably ensure that no one knows the counts before election day.

    It occurs to me that one plus with this current process of counting them after the election is that it removes some of the ability to rat-fuck by invalidating ballots for signature mismatch.  Those folks in PA, GA, and AZ are going balls to the wall and have lots of eyes on them.  That isn’t the case for say FL officials who were invalidating tens of thousands of Black and Hispanic ballots for signature “issues” two weeks ago.

  99. 99.

    jl

    @Chetan Murthy: Thanks for info. I think Canada uses a similar approach. If we spent as much money on elections as we should, as opposed to skimping on and starving every damn public function for resources, we could have a similar system.

  101. 101.

    MisterForkbeard

    I have a team meeting in about 7 minutes, and I really hope one of these places gets called for Biden in the next hour. If so, I will pull out my bottle of 18-year Jameson and drink on camera.

    My minions can report me if they want to. :)

  103. 103.

    patroclus

    @MisterForkbeard: Of course people are paying attention to the President – he’s live on CBS, ABC, Fox, OAN and CNN.  Just because MSNBC cut him off doesn’t mean we should live in a bubble.  He’s deliberately inciting his supporters.

     

    Pa. down to 73,633.

  104. 104.

    Martin

    @geg6: Yeah, he’s great. Remember when he was elected mayor. Wonderful to see he was able to move up politically, and hope he’s able to keep going.

  105. 105.

    VOR

    @jl:  I keep wondering about the economic hit due to messing up the USPS. Businesses rely on the USPS and if they can’t get reliable service they are forced to switch to higher cost carriers. But in many places there are no other carriers. Shipments were late, deliveries of medicine were late, etc…

    I know Trump doesn’t care that other people were impacted but I hope somebody does a study to quantify the damage.

  108. 108.

    jl

    @Kent: I think it’s a trade off. Is better to be able to spot problems that would emerge weeks before an election and have time to get to court and work it out in an orderly way then, or deal with it after election day. IANAL or an election logistics person, so I have no clue about which is better.

  109. 109.

    MisterForkbeard

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Yeah, that’s… sad.

    Shades of what he’s been doing for four years. Remember how he still says he won the popular vote in 2016 because California had a bunch of illegal mexicans vote, etc.? This isn’t new.

  110. 110.

    Kent

    @KM in NS:Trump is giving a lame presser. Sad!

    Like everyone else, I wanted a landslide on Tuesday.

    But in a way, this has to be much more exquisitely painful for Trump world to see power slowly drip away and be helpless to stop it.

    Fingers still crossed.  But hell.   If Trump is going to go down to defeat, I like seeing it drug out over 4 days to extend the torture.

  115. 115.

    jl

    @VOR: Get out some stats on how many dead chick shipments were caused by the delays. USPS only organization that does that. Get them out to the public. Then we’ll start cooking with gas on bringing the evil doers to account.

    Edit: I’m not entirely joking. I remember news stories about multiple, sometimes large, dead chick shipments, and results ranged from heartbreak to serious economic damage to businesses.

  118. 118.

    debbie

    @Baud:

    Trump is expected to flog “suppression polls” as yet another grievance. All the polls with large Biden leads discouraged Trump’s supporters from voting for him.

    (via Kellyann Conway on Fox)

  123. 123.

    Kent

    @jl:@Kent: I think it’s a trade off. Is better to be able to spot problems that would emerge weeks before an election and have time to get to court and work it out in an orderly way then, or deal with it after election day. IANAL or an election logistics person, so I have no clue about which is better.

    My assumption is that 99.9999% to 100% of rejected ballots were, in fact legitimate ballots and not fraudulent.  So the less they have a chance to toss them for bullshit technicalities, the better.

    I will be interested to compare the mail ballot rejection rate in say FL to PA after all this is over.

  124. 124.

    Quinerly

    @Mallard Filmore: I caught a little on Cheryl’s link. Very low energy. Trouble reading what’s on his papers. I left it when he was going on and on about Dems being in charge of voting and ballots in GA. Plus, he was babbling on about a water pipe that burst…

  125. 125.

    MisterForkbeard

    @debbie: Well, fuck that. Trump spent months telling people not to trust the polls and not to participate, and openly spent weeks wanking about “shy Trump voters” and so on.

    Dude can piss right up a tree.

  129. 129.

    Calouste

    @Chetan Murthy: In the UK, neighbouring cities Newcastle (pop 300,000) and Sunderland (pop 280,000) race each other each election to complete the count as fast as possible. The winner takes about 90 minutes.

  130. 130.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    Breaking: Biden has taken the lead in Erie County – Pennsylvania's ultimate bellwether – by 1,319 votes (0.9 points). Clinton lost it by 1.6 points, and there are likely more ballots to come there.— Dave Wasserman (@Redistrict) November 5, 2020

  132. 132.

    Keith P.

    I’m starting to think that Trump’s impending talk show is going to be wayyyy more boring than people expect.

  133. 133.

    jl

    @debbie: OK, fine, Biden can sue over all the GOP poll spamming in the last weeks of the elections. Plenty of those gave big over estimates in favor of Trump.

    But, yeeesh, how do we know what might be suppression polls or spam until we know what the actual results are? They are far gone into obvious nonsense a grade school kid can spot, and explain very clearly.

  135. 135.

    MisterForkbeard

    @Quinerly: When you’re complaining about a single voting location that opened up 45 minutes because there was an easily verifiable issue with the building, you’ve got less than nothing.

  136. 136.

    Steve in the ATL

    @raven:

    Damn straight–I said “authentic”, didn’t I?

    Is there still that place on Atlanta Highway near Berlin maybe that serves it?

  140. 140.

    Miss Bianca

    @Kent: Yeah, I’m doing my best to live with that silver lining to the cloud of uncertainty: that however torturous this process is proving for *me*, it’s got to be EVEN WORSE for Trump voters.

    Good. Great, even!

    Why yes, the last four years *have* made me even more of an asshole than I used to be, how’s about that?

  141. 141.

    jl

    @MisterForkbeard: Secret water pipe busting ninja squads, funded by Soros. Only a fool can’t, or a knave won’t, acknowledge it.

    Edit: it’s a well known plan: bust water pipe, ???, fixed election.

  144. 144.

    raven

    @Steve in the ATL: We used to go to Hot Thomas BBQ  on 15 headed your way. I liked the stew but the chicken mull was a killer! Ol Hot shot himself in his truck in the Tractor Supply parking lot.

  150. 150.

    Mallard Filmore

    @jl:

     

    First, get the damn ballot out of the envelope, and I wonder if doing that by machine risks spoiling too many ballots if there is a malfunction.

    There is a whole slice of industry devoted to Open-Extract machines. For example opex.com The machines will also orient the page to flip back-to-front, fix upside down, and if there is a check in the envelope put it first or last as the customer desires.

    It is big business for companies that receive thousands and thousands of bill payments a day. Insurance, credit cards, loans, etc.

  153. 153.

    Roger Moore

    @jl:

    Part of the problem in PA, WI, and MI is that the Republicans deliberately prevented poll workers from preprocessing the mail-in ballots.  They weren’t allowed to start working on them until election day.  The whole plan was to give Trump an apparent big lead on election day so he could claim the election was being stolen when the mail-in ballots were finally counted.

  155. 155.

    cain

    @Subsole: 
    Oh wait till after the election – the media is going to completely ignore him – they will be too busy talking about Biden and McConnell and other stuff.

    He’s going to be really mad and he’ll likely do and say something to get that attention back – and I still expect him to travel and tell people “the truth”

  157. 157.

    Steve in the ATL

    @Quinerly:

    Kentucky, I thought, by way of France, but I could have DuckDuckGoed it, I suppose.

    BTW, a couple of weeks ago someone, a prankster I assume, left the new Yellow Pages directory in my driveway.  Seriously?

  158. 158.

    debbie

    @jl:

    Trump The Genius.

    Hey, I didn’t get a chance to thank you for your post about what’s involved in getting accurate polls. I have to ask, even if polls are accurate, who will trust them?

  159. 159.

    Quinerly

    @artem1s: I think the longer this drags out it is worse for Trump and his supporters. Trump is not holding up well. Call it my spidey sense.

  161. 161.

    artem1s

    @cain:

    it’s going to be nonstop rallies that the media won’t cover and they will have to pay people to come to.  glorious.

  165. 165.

    Zzyzx

    Biden’s raw vote lead in Arizona is now greater than Trump’s in Pennsylvania despite PA having twice as many votes!

  166. 166.

    Martin

    I can’t believe we have a republican president standing at the podium of the WH calling overseas military votes illegal. Fuck this guy.

  168. 168.

    jl

    @Roger Moore: And I think the depraved PA leg was the most ruthless about it. I  think the others agreed to some small fixes, maybe to avoid looking like assholes, or election people scared them about probable chaos dumped into their laps.

    I think WI leg might have remembered that, IIRC, they  don’t have option of dealing with a total unresolved election bollocks by intervening directly (like stealing the election by just appointing electors).

  169. 169.

    Steve in the ATL

    @Baud:

     

    GA down to 3635 difference.

    Raven, Subaru Diane, and I are all Chicago natives who are now Georgia voters. You know damn well that each of us voted at least that many times!

  170. 170.

    debbie

    @Roger Moore:

    Isn’t it PA where Trump’s lawyers won the lawsuit about observers being allowed closer? I believe I heard they were allowed closer, but have already filed a second lawsuit because it wasn’t close enough.

  172. 172.

    Kent

    @Miss Bianca:

    @Kent: Yeah, I’m doing my best to live with that silver lining to the cloud of uncertainty: that however torturous this process is proving for *me*, it’s got to be EVEN WORSE for Trump voters.

    Good. Great, even!

    Why yes, the last four years *have* made me even more of an asshole than I used to be, how’s about that?

    My MAGA relatives have been reduced to consoling themselves by freely trading in the most ridiculous conspiracy theories imaginable.  And making lame-ass jokes like:  Well I guess Biden won Ukraine”

    It’s delightful.   Knock on wood, it ain’t over yet.  But I think our position is brighter than theirs.

  181. 181.

    cain

    @artem1s: it’s going to be nonstop rallies that the media won’t cover and they will have to pay people to come to. glorious.

    Towards the end, nobody is going to show up but crackheads – and of course – people will be stuck and not able to go back – but then again it might be few enough that they might just need to send a 1972 VW Bug to pick em up

  182. 182.

    Wapiti

    @Roger Moore: In WA the inner envelope says in large letters “Optional Security Sleeve”. My understanding is that it slows down the process a smidge and the election types would rather it wasn’t there. They really don’t care who voted for whom, nor do they have time to look.

  185. 185.

    debbie

    Not a fan of Williams, but this is amusing (from The Guardian Live Blog):

    TV news networks including ABC, CBS and MSNBC stopped broadcasting the president’s remarks – which amounted to a series of un-democratic lies.

    As MSNBC cut away from the White House, after the president falsely declared victory, anchor Brian Williams commented, “Here we are again in the unusual position of not only interrupting the president of the United States but correcting the president of the United States.”

  192. 192.

    Quinerly

    My new favorite comeback to these “Stop the count” folks. Not original to me but I added my twist:

    A vote’s life begins when it is put in an envelope. It is against the Almighty’s will to kill it before it is counted.

  195. 195.

    Martin

    @debbie: Yes. Their plan is to keep filing suits, which halts counting until the suit is resolved, with the hopes of buying time for other legal efforts to come in, or more likely, for his voters to turn out and create chaos.

  196. 196.

    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho

    @Immanentize:

    @raven: You are the one who normally leads on this.  Let me take it for a moment?  Then, back to calm non violence.

    I’ll take a turn. I’m about exhausted with the effort of calm non violent thoughts.

  198. 198.

    dmsilev

    @Kathleen:

    Montage of Biden/Harris/Obama/John Lewis/RBG dancing to YMCA:

    None of them can dance  lurch-and-stagger to YMCA as well as Trump.

  199. 199.

    Kent

    In case no one has noticed the PA gap is now down to 64,266 according to the NYT interactive map.

    drip drip drip….

  204. 204.

    jl

    @Wapiti: ” They really don’t care who voted for whom, nor do they have time to look. ”

    I love the traditional election officials’ prayer, and I do think they say it every night before they tuck themselves into bed during election time: ‘Oh Lord, I don’t care who wins, just please don’t make it close.’

  206. 206.

    Martin

    @Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho: I lost the battle months ago. I’ve never actually wished harm on anyone before, but if Trump showed up outside my house I’d legit beat him to death with my favorite shovel and not be the least bit remorseful. Whatever punishment I got would be both deserved and worth it.

  210. 210.

    cain

    Tom Nichols is having a grand old time smacking around Republicans with more glee than most of us.

  211. 211.

    Yarrow

    Not sure how anyone can crack jokes right now. We cannot begin to fathom how much damage that speech will do to the long-term health and stability of our country.
    — Tim Alberta (@TimAlberta) November 6, 2020

    I mean, if you spend all your time around people who won’t believe a word of what Trump just said, good for you. But that’s not the real world. 70 million people just voted for a man who insists that our elections are rigged. Many of those people will believe him. It’s harrowing.
    — Tim Alberta (@TimAlberta) November 6, 2020

  214. 214.

    MisterForkbeard

    @Martin: Yeah. I know what you mean.

    There are some behaviors I just won’t tolerate any longer, and honestly if I saw Trump in person at this point I would absolute punch him in the nose without hesitation.

  221. 221.

    David ?Booooooo!? Koch

    “Are you being a sore loser?” — @Acosta asks Trump as he exits.

    “The president is watching the lights go out on his presidency.”
    — Jim Acosta

    I’m watching Jim Acosta and he clearly has been waiting for trump’s presidency to end

    When I say he is giving zero fucks right now…I mean it

  222. 222.

    debbie

    @Yarrow:

    I’m not sure that’s true. Just about every news outlet points out the lack of veracity in Trump’s remarks.

    I don’t think they do it forcefully enough (they should say he “lies”), but they do say his words are unsubstantiated, untrue, not so, etc.

  225. 225.

    MisterForkbeard

    @gwangung: That 25k is for Georgia, right?

    If the margin is down to 3500 already, then we’ve basically got it with that many remaining. It takes less than 60% Biden at that point to end up with a 1000 vote cushion. He gets a lot more than than on average.

  229. 229.

    jl

    @Baud: the quiet strength of Baud XXXX!! is carrying us through tough times yet again.

    Edit: I’ve forgotten whether the XXXX is a place holder the year of destiny, or what he’s drinking these days.

  231. 231.

    Quinerly

    @Baud: you watching MSNBC? (Kornacki sp?… hasn’t changed his pants in 5 days?)

    I’m convinced Biden will take GA.

  232. 232.

    Steve in the ATL

    @raven:

     

    @Baud:

    Forsyth County, just north of Atlanta, was the last place in Georgia to have an active KKK chapter.  Now it’s a white flight haven from metro Atlanta taxes.  No one seems to mind that their schools suck because of the low taxes.

  235. 235.

    Baud

    @Quinerly:

    I’m watching MSNBC.  Kornacki was just speculating that Biden could win GA by a decent bit of the rest of the mail in ballots are strongly Biden.  Although I think the military ballots are outstanding.

  236. 236.

    JPL

    @Baud: When I first moved here in the late eighties a friend and I went up to look at Forsyth for a House show.  I got lost and had to stop to ask for directions..   This was the time of no Garmin..   I locked her in the car with directions of not opening it for anyone.   She was black.

    She also became extremely wealthy so doesn’t think trump is that  bad… so there is that.

  239. 239.

    patroclus

    @Kathleen: What I love is the transformation of the YMCA song.  It was SO gay when it first came out (and everyone knew what the lyrics “do whatever you feel” meant).  But now, it’s one of the most mainstream songs around – played at ballgames, women’s exercise classes and even Trump rallies.  Absolutely hilarious…

  247. 247.

    jl

    @OGLiberal: They way Bush dodged them made my proud of my country, probably one and only time during GW Bush presidency. His daily gym workouts paid off.

  248. 248.

    cain

    @Timurid:

    Yes, unless there is a decent enough cushion. I’m hoping that we get enough that it won’t matter if all of them are Trump. But the military I think have soured on Trump over time – but you’ll probably definitely find Trumpers. I know at the beginning he had a huge fan base there.

  250. 250.

    Kent

    @Timurid:Those military votes are going to decide Georgia, and I have no clue how they will go…

    I don’t think it’s just military ballots.

    There are a shitload of rejected mail-in ballots that can still be cured by voters up until tomorrow evening.  Those will mostly be Dem because Dems mostly voted by mail.

    And I’m guessing a ton of provisional ballots from people who were wrongly stripped off the voting rolls.   Didn’t Georgia do a big voter purge of mostly Black voters and force a lot of people to vote by provisional ballot?

    I haven’t seen any numbers on those.  But there has to be a lot of them.

  253. 253.

    JPL

    @raven:  We moved here shortly after that.  They are still here and it’s surprising that they aren’t out now

    We are gonna be blue by the morning.

  254. 254.

    hueyplong

    @Baud: How cool would it be if the military votes administered the coup de gras  to the guy who didn’t lift a finger when bounties were put on their heads?

  258. 258.

    West of the Cascades

    @Martin: The last batch in GA as I understand it is “military and overseas ballots” – and I’d imagine that GA voters living overseas are more likely to vote D than R. But haven’t seen any breakdown of numbers of each type of ballot.

  267. 267.

    Kent

    @Baud: It won’t just be military ballots deciding it.  Also provisional ballots too.  I can’t find any statewide numbers, but this article from yesterday said 882 provisional ballots in Cobb County alone.  https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/04/us/politics/in-georgia-about-100000-votes-separate-candidates.html I think Georgia purged a lot of Black voters off the rolls so a lot of those provisionals might be Black voters who were purged and voted provisional.

  268. 268.

    Bill Arnold

    @jl:

    Secret water pipe busting ninja squads, funded by Soros. Only a fool can’t, or a knave won’t, acknowledge it.

    It was a Republican false-flag operation!

  270. 270.

    LurkerNoLonger

    I’m going to go out on a limb and say this is over by tomorrow. PA and NV for Biden. GA is just cake.

  271. 271.

    Calouste

    @hueyplong: “Coup de grace”, not “coup de gras”. Although, as “gras” means “fat” in French, it is not completely out of context…

  276. 276.

    Richard

    @Dagaetch: what is “curing” a ballot? Is it a synonym for verifying?

    The language is changing so fast, i can’t keep up. So far, all i got is a handful of acronyms. FWIW, IMHO, SMH, WTF??

  277. 277.

    jl

    @Baud:

    ” Biden got more votes in GA from a Trump county! ”

    Yes, the rural (edit: sorry I assumed you referred to a rural county, but I don’t know that) movement toward Trump in places will be interesting to look into. As I noted, a number of rural areas in NV that I thought would be 100 percent Trump split 50-50 or went to Biden.

    One of Leantossup’s insights and serious problems was that they picked this up in many districts, but then overgeneralized to produce forecasts that were far too optimistic (given what we know about the results so far, but I think that judgment will stand after all the votes are counted).

  278. 278.

    Roger Moore

    @Baud:

    An earlier prediction on MSNBC was that the result will be close enough to require a recount.

    I checked on the rules earlier.  There are no mandatory recounts in Georgia, but the loser can request a recount if the result is within 0.5%.  I assume that will happen no matter which candidate is on the short end.

  279. 279.

    Yarrow

    @Immanentize:  Just aware that the people who voted for him about believe his crazy are still going to be with us. I have no idea what to do about that. Obvs a solid educational program on disinformation and propaganda and how to identify it, etc. but that’s not going to happen.

  282. 282.

    japa21

    Just because there things other than the election happening:

    Roughly 113K new Covid cases today and 1,100 deaths. I am noticing that taking 1% of new cases gives you the death total. And those deaths will keep rising. IL, which had been doing so well, had just under 10K new cases and 97 new deaths reported today.

    The state is recommending that all election judges, such as myself should get a Covid test in the next 5-7 days.  On the plus side, not a single voter came in without a mask and I was masked, shielded and gloved, so odds are probably in my favor.

  283. 283.

    Roger Moore

    @Richard:

    what is “curing” a ballot?

    Curing a ballot is rectifying whatever problems caused it to be rejected.  For example, if you forgot to sign it or they said your signature didn’t match, you could come in and provide your signature.

  284. 284.

    guachi

    @Timurid: I’m on a FB group for First Class Petty Officers. We know we are all military and yet there are A LOT of people who have had it with Trump and are willing to state it on a FB group.

    I wouldn’t bet the military vote leans too much to Trump, if at all.

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    mrmoshpotato

    @Calouste: What French for “Electorally punching the Kremlin’s traitorous orange bitch so tremendous bigly in his fat, orange, fascist face that he tries to flee to Moscow tonight to cry to his Daddy Vladdy like the Soviet shitpile mobster conman that he’s been since at least 1987″?

  286. 286.

    jl

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: ” Even I was  pretty impressed with George when I saw that. ”

    Problem for me was that for someone to be moved to throw stuff at the president was alarming, and disgraceful for us when I considered the reporter’s point of view on it. But having an agile physically fit pres was a small consolation.

  287. 287.

    Roger Moore

    @japa21:

    Roughly 113K new Covid cases today and 1,100 deaths.

    The Dakotas are really scary right now.  North Dakota topped 2,000 positives per million population, the first time that has happened anywhere in the US.  South Dakota had a 58% positive test rate (1360 positives from 2340 tests).  That’s approaching the levels New York had in March, and it surely means they’re missing many cases for each one they catch.

  289. 289.

    Calouste

    @mrmoshpotato: By an extraordinary coincidence, “Electorally punching the Kremlin’s traitorous orange bitch so tremendous bigly in his fat, orange, fascist face that he tries to flee to Moscow tonight to cry to his Daddy Vladdy like the Soviet shitpile mobster conman that he’s been since at least 1987″ is also “gras” in French.

  290. 290.

    Roger Moore

    @mrmoshpotato:

    What French for “Electorally punching the Kremlin’s traitorous orange bitch so tremendous bigly in his fat, orange, fascist face that he tries to flee to Moscow tonight to cry to his Daddy Vladdy like the Soviet shitpile mobster conman that he’s been since at least 1987″?

    According to Google, that would be “Frappant électoralement la salope orange traître du Kremlin si énormément dans son visage gras, orange et fasciste qu’il tente de fuir à Moscou ce soir pour pleurer à son papa Vladdy comme l’escroc soviétique de gangsters de merde qu’il est depuis au moins 1987“.

  291. 291.

    Roger Moore

    @Calouste:

    Important question: does the loser have to pay for the estimated costs of the recount in advance?

    No.  Too bad, because I think Trump would have trouble coming up with the cash.

  295. 295.

    Kent

    @Richard:

    @Dagaetch: what is “curing” a ballot? Is it a synonym for verifying?

    The language is changing so fast, i can’t keep up. So far, all i got is a handful of acronyms. FWIW, IMHO, SMH, WTF??

    Fixing whatever caused them to reject it.

    Could be missing signature

    Could be mis-matched signature

    Could be missing date next to the signature

    Most rejected ballots are actually from valid voters so most can be cured.

  296. 296.

    mrmoshpotato

    @David ?Booooooo!? Koch: And we dirty liberals will remember that all of those Lincoln Project bastards spent their entire adult lives building the monster factory that finally produced a better conman than they could’ve ever imagined, and the bastards couldn’t control the conman.

    FUCK! THEM!

  297. 297.

    Geminid

    @Kent: I think the job Stacey Abrams wants is Governor of Georgia. She might start her campaign to kick cheatin’ Brian Kemp out of the Governor’s Mansion after the Senate runoffs. Georgians need a good governor, and Abrams could be a great one. And she is relatively young. Twelve years from now, she may picking her own Cabinet.

  298. 298.

    Dan B

    @patroclus:  Back in the bad old days the Diversey (sp?) Y on the near north side of Chicago was a major cruising location, as were Y’s all over the country.  The fire escape on the north side was a place of assignation.  The residential towers for half a mile  had many telescopes in the windows facing toward the Y.  Note: You could see half a dozen stars in the Chicago night sky.

    Another note: This was a time when it was risky to have a guy over to your apartment or have a regular boyfriend and no wife or girlfriend.  A lot of guys went home to their wives in the burbs after making out.  Quite a few wouldn’t kiss because they “weren’t gay”.

    Bad old days.

  304. 304.

    moops

    @Ksmiami:  Wouldn’t the amount of money it would take to win these races “infinite”?

     

    We flushed $1.5B on Senate races that ended up being lost causes.   For $15B we could literally *buy* Fox Corporation (FOXA) and end this insanity forever.

  306. 306.

    A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)

    @Quinerly: No, Nicolle Wallace announced today that Steve has several pairs of khakis and that it isn’t the same pair since Tuesday night.  She was teasing him but I think it is true. :-)

    I get the impression he is one of those guys who has multiple sets of preferred clothing.  Less decision making required to get dressed. (Like Einstein who is said to have had 5 identical suits).

  307. 307.

    Suzanne

    I have been coping with my stress by ordering from Sephora. Their annual sale started on Election Day. I have placed four orders so far (two are gifts).

  310. 310.

    Miss Bianca

    @Kent: I’m torn between saying “hell yeah” to that sentiment, and wanting her to stay in GA and become governor. Although maybe that could be her gig *after* a stint in the Biden Administration…

  312. 312.

    Suzanne

    @FelonyGovt: Oh yeah, I am sure it is intentional timing. Someone knows that we have all this stress acne and accelerated aging from ***gestures broadly*** and we need to feel less ugly and to send gifts.

  314. 314.

    sgrAstar

    @moops: Fox News is not for sale. That money was not wasted- it supported dem activists and dem infrastructure nationwide. A young family member of mine learned so much about organizing and GOTV over the last year- he is now a networked, connected weapon for progressivism. And there are hundreds… thousands?…just like him. Motivated, knowledgeable, ready. It’s awesome.

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