Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

It’s pointless to bring up problems that can only be solved with a time machine.

Incompetence, fear, or corruption? why not all three?

Republicans in disarray!

It’s the corruption, stupid.

Speaker Mike Johnson is a vile traitor to the House and the Constitution.

The new republican ‘Pastor’ of the House is an odious authoritarian little creep.

Accountability, motherfuckers.

Spilling the end game before they can coat it in frankl luntz-approved dogwhistles.

rich, arrogant assholes who equate luck with genius

It’s easy to sit in safety and prescribe what other people should be doing.

The willow is too close to the house.

Fight them, without becoming them!

Just because you believe it, that doesn’t make it true.

Every day Vance writes another chapter in the book called “Worst VP Pick Ever”.

You come for women, you’re gonna get your ass kicked.

Dear media: perhaps we ought to let Donald Trump speak for himself!

If you cannot answer whether trump lost the 2020 election, you are unfit for office.

Teach a man to fish, and he’ll sit in a boat all day drinking beer.

Their freedom requires your slavery.

At some point, the ability to learn is a factor of character, not IQ.

You don’t get to peddle hatred on saturday and offer condolences on sunday.

We cannot abandon the truth and remain a free nation.

Innocent people don’t delay justice.

I have other things to bitch about but those will have to wait.

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  1. 1.

    West of the Cascades

    Madison Cawthorn is what happens when voters are so bat-shit crazy they elect creepy children to Congress.

  2. 2.

    debbie

    One thing’s for sure: She will not go quietly.

    Also, got my Joe letter today!

  3. 3.

    mrmoshpotato

    the wokes

    Erick Erickson actually typed out those words, and also never thought “Does that sound stupid?” before hitting Tweet.

  4. 4.

    Baud

    the people that said, for six years, that he would burn the whole thing down were labeled as hysterics and hyperbolic

    And criticized for their email servers.

  8. 8.

    Another Scott

    To be clear, these GOP-led states aren't just eliminating the $300 per week enhanced aid for unemployed workers – they are ending CARES Act programs that support gig workers, self-employed, and the long-term jobless.

    Those workers will be completely cut off. $0 income. https://t.co/t2ItRUkBet— Rep. Don Beyer (@RepDonBeyer) May 12, 2021

    Eyes on the prizes. Chuckle at the chaos with the Teabaggers, but don’t let the soap operas distract us from what’s important.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  9. 9.

    JPL

    @mrmoshpotato: wtf does that even mean?     The border crisis seems to be over and Colonial is opening up the pipeline, so maybe someone should wake him.

  11. 11.

    Baud

    @JPL:

    The border crisis seems to be over and Colonial is opening up the pipeline

     

     

    They will always live on in Erick’s heart.

  12. 12.

    JPL

    I’m so glad that Biden was able to open up the pipeline serving the south east so quickly.   Thank you President Biden for single handedly taking care of that.

  15. 15.

    MattF

    I do, in fact, take all this very seriously… But geeezy-peeezy, this is soooo stupid. Even Ewick sees that. And I’m starting to see TFGs blog posts retweeted as if they were newsworthy. Ugh.

  17. 17.

    Edmund Dantes

    My problem with the Cheney Adulation is she supported his re-election knowing that he disputed an election that he WON.

    So congratulations for catching on 6 years later that Trump would not concede an election he lost.

    The man bitterly fought over an election he won.

  18. 18.

    hells littlest angel

    It seems like Cheney should have had a right to demand the jury be polled. Nah, what am I saying, that would be due process.

  20. 20.

    Raoul Paste

    “ this is about who controls the cult …”

    It’s hard to imagine the free for all that we’re going to see if TFG dies

  23. 23.

    Another Scott

    @Edmund Dantes:

    WaPo OpEd:

    House Republicans are preparing to oust Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) from the No. 3 Republican position in the House and replace her with Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-N.Y.). Why? Is Stefanik more conservative than Cheney? No, Cheney has an 80 percent lifetime rating with Heritage Action for America compared with a 48 percent rating for Stefanik.

    Well, did she vote more loyally with President Trump? No, Cheney voted with Trump 92.9 percent of the time, while Stefanik voted with Trump just 77.7 percent of the time. Indeed, Stefanik steadfastly opposed key elements of the Trump agenda. She voted against Trump’s singular legislative achievement — his 2017 tax reform bill — and against making his tax cuts permanent. She voted to block Trump from withdrawing from the Paris climate accords. She voted to condemn Trump for calling on the courts to invalidate the Affordable Care Act. She voted to overturn Trump’s emergency declaration at the southern border so he could fund the border wall, and then voted to override Trump’s veto of a bill that reversed his emergency declaration. Trump calls Cheney a “warmongering fool” who wants to “fight ridiculous, endless wars,” but Stefanik voted with Cheney to oppose Trump’s withdrawal of U.S. forces from Syria.

    […]

    All of this seems to be performance underbusing. Or something out of 1984.

    In other words, a day ending in “y”.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  24. 24.

    Mike in NC

    Is Eric Erickson still asking to see Obama’s birth certificate? He’s such a stupid tool.

  25. 25.

    MattF

    @Edmund Dantes: Liz, being a Cheney, knows about power. Like her daddy, she’s no fool. And she knows that counting on Trump for anything but lies and self-adulation is a fool’s errand. So, QED.

  28. 28.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    OT: listening to Slate’s new Slow Burn podcast, this season is a retrospective on the Iraq War. This week’s episode is about the then new media– blogs!– and the shaping of public opinion. Balloon Juice is named as one of the “big new blogs” that came on line in support of the war, lined up with Instapundit and Andrew Sullivan. Interestingly, they name Josh Marshall, along with Atrios, as an anti-war blog. As I recall, JMM was self-described reluctant hawk, under the sway of Paul Berman and Ken Pollack.

  29. 29.

    piratedan

    most humorous take I’ve seen regarding the “Cheney ouster” is if Liz Cheney simply refuses to leave and said that she won the vote.  Since she’s number three in the party hierarchy, isn’t that her roll to count the votes?  She should just tell McCarthy that by her calculations and by evidence of how the GOP upholds the standards of honoring votes, she won.

    Prove otherwise.

  30. 30.

    Jess

    My team just got borked in a university governance committee meeting today. I was pissed b/c the procedure was sketchy, but I consoled myself that at least I’m not as pissed as Liz Cheney must be today.

  33. 33.

    JPL

    I’m so glad that Erich Erickson is still among the living, because it wasn’t that long ago he feigned atonement for his past sins.  Glad he woke.

  34. 34.

    Baud

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Balloon Juice is named as one of the “big new blogs” that came on line in support of the war,

    I knew Cole was a Republican back then, but not that the Iraq War was the impetus for this blog.

  36. 36.

    FelonyGovt

    We can only hope that these Republican follies make it much, much harder for Republicans in swing districts (and states) in 2022. The true believers will keep electing these morons, but I have to think they are bleeding off voters bit by bit.

  37. 37.

    Chyron HR

    The media seems fixated on Liz Cheney as an excuse to not cover the wokes

    Phew, it’s a good thing he doesn’t belong to a political party that’s fixated on requiring people to speak proper English.

  38. 38.

    Spanky

    @Raoul Paste:

    “ this is about who controls the cult …”

    It’s hard to imagine the free for all that we’re going to see if TFG dies

    “IF”????

  39. 39.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Baud: I phrased that badly: the blogs that came on line in the early aughts, and then took sides on the war. I wasn’t reading Balloon Juice, or Eschaton, back then, but as I recall was reading Marshall pretty early on. TPM was my gateway blog.

  40. 40.

    Almost Retired

    If the Ghost of Christmas Future had appeared to me in 2002 and showed me stuff that happened in May 2021 without context, I would have been ecstatic to learn that the last Republican President called a Cheney family member a war-monger. And a Cheney was booed and shame-walked out of the Chamber by fellow Republicans. But only if the Ghost selectively revealed the future.

  43. 43.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    on the one hand, the pragmatist in mean sees the value in this, on the other…

    Governor Mike DeWine @GovMikeDeWine · 1h
    Two weeks from tonight on May 26th, we will announce a winner of a separate drawing for adults who have received at least their first dose of the vaccine. This announcement will occur each Wednesday for five weeks, and the winner each Wednesday will receive one million dollars.

    To be eligible to win, you must be at least 18 years of age or older on the day of the drawing. You must be an Ohio resident. And, you must be vaccinated before the drawing. We will have further, specific details tomorrow and in the days ahead.

    (thread)

  44. 44.

    sherparick

    @mrmoshpotato: ​
      I know Colonel Deeds having met him a couple of times CLE events. An honorable, wise, brave man. That the people of the 11th elected this creep (and I do mean creep – look up Cawthorn & sexual harassment) is a demonstration of the power of tribalism.

  45. 45.

    Ken

    @debbie: She will not go quietly.

    I hope she picks a good theme, like Vincent Price’s character in Theatre of Blood, or The Abominable Dr. Phibes.

  49. 49.

    Chetan Murthy

    @sherparick: Wait, do you mean Col. Morris Davis?  ex-Gitmo chief prosecutor, resigned in protest at all the unjust shenanigans going on there?  Made big news when it happened, and for sure he’s a decent man.  Which …. well, I guess he had not a prayer in that election, for that very reason.

  51. 51.

    JPL

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:  I discovered Balloon Juice because Josh said that Cole was a sane republican.   Fortunately, John jumped ship, cuz we now know there are no sane republicans.  I’ve grown also because back then I was JL.

  53. 53.

    WaterGirl

    @Baud: Click on View by Month &  Year in the sidebar.

    Choose January 2002.

    Check out the early posts.

    I don’t think the war is why John started the blog.  (Cue Cole showing up to say that’s exactly why he started the blog, and I’m totally wrong.)

  54. 54.

    Chetan Murthy

    @WaterGirl:

    I don’t think the war is why John started the blog.

    It was pets wot done it!  Pets!  I was telling a friend (who loves her bichon frises, and is studying to be a vet tech) about you folks.  Pets!

  57. 57.

    Alison Rose

    Since it’s an OT, may I ask for feedback from folks who’ve had both shots of the Moderna vaccine?

    So, here’s the thing. I have mental and physical disabilities that basically mean I’m unable to leave my home. My county is offering in-home vaccine shots for homebound residents, and I’m supposed to get a call from that agency soon to see about scheduling it. The person I emailed with said she thinks it would be Moderna. I know everyone is different but I’d like to hear about the side effects people experienced after both doses, particularly women around my age (40). I can deal with headache and fatigue and such, but it also lists nausea and vomiting as a possible side effect, and……………………no. No nope no. This is embarrassing to talk about because it sounds stupid to people, but I have severe emetophobia and even the possibility of that literally scares me more than getting COVID. Yes, I know that’s crazy. So am I. (Also, because of my health issues, it’s crucial that I’m able to eat properly and on the right schedule, and anything that renders me unable to eat is dangerous.) I recognize that it’s not a one-to-one thing where “Person A experienced this, and thus Person B will also experience this,” but I just want to know what it was truly like for people to see if I can somehow calm my mind down about it.

    So, any womenfolk in your 40s who’ve had Moderna, what did you experience and for how long? Thank you for obliging my multiple neuroses.

  60. 60.

    WaterGirl

    @Alison Rose: I am way over 40 but since no one else has replied yet, I will jump in.  I had Moderna, experienced body aches and joint pain, and my arm was super red and sore.

    Not for one moment was I nauseous.

  61. 61.

    JPL

    @Alison Rose: DIL received Moderna and experienced a headache and tiredness after the first, although after the second she was just tired.   BTW She is seven months pregnant so the symptoms might have been enhanced.   She did mention that she woke my son at one point after the first vaccine.   No way was she going to toss and turn without company.   Second was much easier.   BTW  Son had Moderna and just mild symptom

     

    She was just so excited to protect the next little imp.   You’ll do fine.

  63. 63.

    Cameron

    @Geminid: They blather words they’ve heard that they obviously don’t understand.  I actually had the occasion to respond to somebody in a barroom conversation who claimed Biden and Pelosi were Marxists by telling that person I was confused: did they mean Chico or Groucho?  It’s an automatic assumption in wingnuttery that if a word is used by libtards that you don’t know, repeating it will help you pwn them.  Eye-watering stupidity and ignorance, but that’s where we are in 2021.

  67. 67.

    Spanky

    Dumbass!

    ANNAPOLIS, Md. – Maryland Governor Larry Hogan announced on Wednesday that all restrictions on indoor and outdoor dining throughout the state will be lifted effective Saturday, May 15. The governor said that all restaurants and bars will be permitted to resume normal operations that day.

  68. 68.

    Shana

    @JPL: I discovered Balloon Juice and John Cole because the old Mid-Day thread at Daily Kos linked to a few posts of his. I read them and liked what I found.

  69. 69.

    WereBear

    And I hesitate to share my over-40s experience with the second shot, which was a week later, and resulted in chills with severe nausea. However, I do similarly deal with food issues, a lectin sensitivity. ONE cashew can give me 24 hours of queasy tummy, and I might have gotten “lectined” that day.

    The first shot was 36 hours of body aches but that’s all.

  70. 70.

    Baud

    @JPL:

    I found Balloon Juice because I was at Dkos when it went to shit after Obama was elected and some commenter there said that BJ had a saner community.

  72. 72.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Shana: for me it was when the Naderites and the PUMAs (remember them?) at Eschaton joined forces to declare Obama the worst president ever. IIRC it was June, 2009.

  73. 73.

    Cermet

    @Alison Rose: I have heard of absolutely no one having any nausea and/or vomiting; a sore arm, and a few aches and pains, maybe a slight fever (chills.)  Many people get no symptoms at all

    With enough people, some will get nausea due to other causes; not unlike when millions get a vaccine and a few people die – they would have any way but because millions got a vaccine of course one see’s all types of affects.

  75. 75.

    Alison Rose

    @WaterGirl: That’s good to hear, even if there is an age gap.

     

    @JPL: Thanks for the feedback!

     

    @WereBear: I would definitely prefer to get Pfizer, but if they’re not offering it in home, then……..I don’t know.

     

    @Spanky: Thanks! My parents had zero symptoms but of course they’re much older than me…

  76. 76.

    Baud

    @Cameron:

     I actually had the occasion to respond to somebody in a barroom conversation who claimed Biden and Pelosi were Marxists by telling that person I was confused: did they mean Chico or Groucho?

    Richard. He’s dreamy.

  77. 77.

    Alison Rose

    @Cermet: Right, a nurse friend said the same, that the vast majority have few moderate symptoms. The logical part of my brain knows this, but sadly, it is a tiny little portion of my overall spazzed out mind, LOLSOB

  79. 79.

    zhena gogolia

    @Alison Rose:

    I had Pfizer and my husband had J&J, and neither of us had much of a reaction. But I know numerous people who had Moderna. I haven’t heard of anyone vomiting. The most common thing I hear is chills and fever-like symptoms. And fatigue.

  81. 81.

    Nelle

    @Alison Rose: Older than 40, so may not be relevant.  Moderna, no reactions first shot.  Some body aches after the second shot.  No nausea of any kind.

  83. 83.

    NotMax

    @zhena gogolia

    Am not a woman but feel it necessary to point out that reaction(s) – if any – will be temporary, and a fair trade-off for more permanent peace of mind.

  84. 84.

    Jay

    @Alison Rose:

    one Moderna for my SWMBO, in her early 50’s, sore arm about 5 hours after the shot, less sore the next day.

    We will be getting the second as soon as we can, which might be July, might be September.

    I had it worse, really sore arm, ( worst punchbuggy ever), then sore arm, then yeah, still sore, but not too bad.

  85. 85.

    Jeffro

    @mrmoshpotato: someone should ask him to be more specific (and let him hang himself with his words)

    wait…never mind…no one cares what Ewick thinks…

    NEXT!

  86. 86.

    dmsilev

    @Alison Rose: Sister-in-law had the headaches and fatigue, but that was it. She hasn’t had her second shot yet, so only a partial answer I’m afraid.

  87. 87.

    Matt McIrvin

    @Alison Rose: Early 50s guy here; I’ve only had the first shot of Moderna but that caused me only arm soreness and a mild headache the next day.

    An odd symptom I’ve heard from several other people is that with the Moderna, specifically, sometimes there’s a delayed return of the arm soreness after about 8 days. But that didn’t happen to me at all.

  88. 88.

    J R in WV

    @Alison Rose: ​
     

    So, any womenfolk in your 40s who’ve had Moderna, what did you experience and for how long? Thank you for obliging my multiple neuroses.

    Hi Alison,

    My wife is 71 at the time she received both Moderna vaccinations. Other than a sore arm for a day or two she had no symptoms. One thing you can do is round up meclizine, a fairly good and common anti-emetic, you can take it as recommended to avoid actual nausea, if that’s what worries you.

    I had muscle pain and slept a lot, but no nausea. I’m prone to pretty serious muscle cramps anyway, and so wasn’t surprised to have them given that they’re a common side effect.

    I really think the vaccination is bound to have far fewer side effects than the illness… perhaps you should talk with a doctor you see for your own physical issues, raise the nausea issue, ask about meclizine to prevent that. It’s an inexpensive over the counter medication. Brands are Bonine or Dramamine, but be careful, some dramamine is herbal, not a medicine.

  90. 90.

    Mary G

    @Alison Rose: I’m also older, but my housemate, who is 39, was vaccinated early with me because she’s a caregiver.

    Just asked her if the Moderna made her nauseous at all, she says no. She had mild arm soreness and fatigue with the first shot, and more severe effects of chills and fever the day after the second, but when she woke up the next day (48 hours post shot) she was fine.

    Can you get your doctor to prescribe you a few days of a strong antiemetic med, if you don’t have any already?

  92. 92.

    Suburban Mom

    @Alison Rose: I’m in my early 60’s.  Had a slightly sore arm after the first shot.  Had chills, fatigue and a low fever starting about 12 hours after the second one, but I was fine the next day.  No stomach issues at all.

  93. 93.

    kindness

    @Shana: Pretty sure that’s how I wandered over here way back when.  I started out reading Think Progress & went to D Kos from there.

  94. 94.

    Geminid

    @Baud: I discovered this disreputable corner of the internet a little over two years ago. I was grudge-researching Justice Democrats and ran across a post by some cat named Adam Silverman, at a blog with the strange name, “Balloon Juice.”

  95. 95.

    trollhattan

    @JPL:

    I’ll guess (CRS–can’t remember shit) I read him intermittently, bouncing among early blogs sometime in the post Iraq invasion period, but probably did not become a regular reader and even daring to post during the runup to the 2006 midterms. Those next two years were really something else.

    Blogs, whatever happened to those?

  96. 96.

    Raven

    I’ve been here since Jane banned me at FDL when I harassed her for siding with Norquist.

  97. 97.

    trollhattan

    Here’s how the locals celebrate red flag days. Begin with “area woman”

    West Sacramento police, fire and Yolo County bomb squad personnel responded Tuesday afternoon to the Sherwood Harbor Marina for a large arson fire, and police arrested a Sacramento woman after finding eight Molotov cocktails in her vehicle, authorities said.

    The West Sacramento Police Department in a Wednesday news release announced the arrest of Shawana Nailah Haynes, 47, on suspicion of arson.

    The department said witnesses reported seeing Haynes fleeing the scene of a large levee fire at the marina on foot, before she reached a vehicle and fled the area. West Sacramento police located Haynes with assistance from air units and conducted a vehicle stop.

    “During a search of the vehicle, eight Molotov Cocktail incendiary devices and materials for making incendiary devices were located,” the department news release continued. “The Yolo County Bomb Squad was requested to respond. The items were rendered safe and processed for evidence.”

    Haynes was arrested and booked into the Yolo County jail on charges including arson and possession of a destructive device, police said.
    https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article251353958.html#storylink=cpy

    Not helpful.

  98. 98.

    Another Scott

    @Alison Rose: My 75 year old step-mom** got Moderna.  No problems at all with the first.  For the second she said:

    Didn’t feel good on the day after (headache, some stomach pain, general blah feeling), slept very well that night, back to normal the next day.

    HTH a little.  Best of luck!

    Cheers,
    Scott.
    —
    ** – she has extraordinarily low cholesterol numbers and women in her family routinely live to be over 100.

  100. 100.

    trollhattan

    @Raven:

    Maybe she was mixing up Grovers. Muppets and people can be hard to tell apart, sometimes. (Although “good Norquists” don’t exist any more than “good Falwells” do.)

  104. 104.

    geg6

    @Alison Rose:

    I older (62) but I had some side effects for a day.  It was chills, minor but persistent headache, a bit of intestinal upset (no vomiting at all) and severe fatigue.  I basically took Tylenol, drank green tea, ate some chicken noodle soup and slept almost continuously.  Woke up on Day 2 feeling perfectly fine with a sore left arm.  My sister had similar but less severe effects (she’s 57).  A co-worker in his 30s had about the same reaction as I did.  Several other friends a family had no reactions at all other than a slightly sore arm.  Go for it! I don’t know anyone who vomited.

  106. 106.

    Gin & Tonic

    @Alison Rose: My MIL is 96 years old and an Olympic-caliber hypochondriac, and her reaction after both Moderna shots was “meh.” FWIW.

  109. 109.

    Dan B

    There news that a group of 100 + prominent former Republucan leaders – still old school Republicans but not currently leaders – have said they will form another party if the conspiracy theories and craziness don’t stop soon.

    No current leaders like Cheney, Mittens, or Adam Kute-zinger are involved.

  110. 110.

    FelonyGovt

    @Alison Rose: I’m 67, considerably older than you. I had two Moderna shots and all that happened was exhaustion- I slept most of the next day, and pretty much never got off the couch.

    My daughter is 34, had two Moderna shots, and had no side effects AT ALL except she was a little tired (much less than I was).

    I haven’t heard about nausea or vomiting as side effects of Moderna at all. The most I’ve heard reported are chills, fever and body aches along with the tiredness- that’s what my husband had and I still wonder if there was a little “man flu” going on there.

  111. 111.

    debbie

    @Alison Rose:

    Many people experience nausea and vomiting while suffering from COVID. I had Pfizer, I’m far beyond 40, and I have had to deal with the vaccine setting off all kinds of autoimmune reactions. It’s still worth it.

  115. 115.

    Alison Rose

    @Nelle: Thank you, that is good to hear.

     

    @NotMax: I know it’s temporary, but when I say it’s a phobia, I mean it is a clinical phobia of the most extreme kind. Think of someone who is afraid of heights and asking them to stand on a 20th floor balcony. Then multiply that fear by 1000 and you’re almost there. I wish this wasn’t who I am, but…

     

    @Jay: I’d take a sore arm for a month, TBH :P

     

    @J R in WV: Oh, that’s good advice. I used to always have Dramamine on hand because of car sickness, but I haven’t driven anywhere outside of my city in years (and nowhere inside the city in a year and half now). Could definitely Instacart that. Thanks!

  118. 118.

    zhena gogolia

    @Alison Rose:

    I think I have (mild) emetophobia, now that you mention it

    ETA: and as debbie says, vomiting is one of the common symptoms of Covid, so best to avoid that if possible!

  120. 120.

    Chetan Murthy

    @Alison Rose:

    Think of someone who is afraid of heights and asking them to stand on a 20th floor balcony.

    I sympathize with your plight: I have that sort of fear of heights: once I climbed stairs to the top of a tower in San Gimigiano, not realizing that in order to climb down the staircase, I had to look down, and the stairs were made of grillwork, so you could see all the way to the bottom . It …. wasn’t a quick descent.

  121. 121.

    Alison Rose

    @geg6: Thank you for the feedback!

     

    @Gin & Tonic: Well, the issue is that older folks tend to have few to no side effects because they have less robust immune systems, so their bodies aren’t fighting it off as hard, I guess? Old age is a perk in this case, I suppose. But it does mean that elderly experiences can’t really speak to those for younger people.

     

    @FelonyGovt: That’s good to hear, thanks!

  123. 123.

    Alison Rose

    @zhena gogolia: It;s a weird thing because like…..nobody LIKES it. But when I try to explain that I literally have anxiety attacks even thinking about the possibility, people are like “you nuts”.

    I am indeed.

  127. 127.

    Jay

    @Chetan Murthy:

    I have a fear of heights, as well. Kinda stupid because I rock climb and mountaineer, and now live on the 22nd floor.

    Looking out at the horizon, helps.

    Down, nope, never, nada, not gonna happen.

  134. 134.

    piratedan

    @Steeplejack: you’re absolutely welcome!  I did go back and edit my original noting skepticism regarding the source, but alas, not quickly enough

  136. 136.

    Another Scott

    @Steeplejack: Further – nobody has gone to trial yet, AFAIK (it was only a few months ago and federal trials are slow).

    WaPo from April 27:

    A federal judge Tuesday ordered the release from jail pending trial of a man who was photographed with his foot on a desk in House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s office during the Jan. 6 Capitol insurrection, citing an appeals court decision making it harder to detain riot defendants not accused of violence.

    Richard Barnett, 60, of Gravette, Ark., had been denied bond and jailed for nearly four months on charges including obstructing Congress, violent entry into the Capitol while armed with a stun gun and stealing a piece of government mail that he later displayed to media outlets.

    […]

    Still, Cooper said he found the appellate court’s reasoning applied to Barnett, ordering him to conditional home confinement and electronic monitoring.

    […]

    Barnett’s prosecutor said the sides have discussed the possibility that Barnett could face a recommended prison sentence of six to seven years under federal guidelines based on the charges in his case, although no formal plea offer has yet been extended.

    […]

    The story doesn’t mention a trial date, so I assume that one hasn’t been set yet.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  137. 137.

    TheflipPsyd

    @Alison Rose: i am 50 and female. Only had first shot of moderna so far. Sore arm for about 24 hours that started about five hours after shot. No nausea.. You mentioned your parents had the shot.  I had been waiting for the J&J shot but discovered my brothers both got Moderna shot. All three of us had same reaction to first shot and I’m hoping I have the same reaction  they had to the second shot. Neither said they had any side effects to the second. So maybe there is a chance you’ll follow your parents’ experience.

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    Eljai

    @Alison Rose: I have a friend in her late 40s who got the Moderna vaccine and she reported a sore arm after the first shot and no side effects after the second.  My mom and sister, who are past their 40s, also got the Moderna and they both felt tired the day after the second shot.  Keeping good thoughts for you!

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    Jay

    @zhena gogolia:

    Rock climbing you either rappel or downclimb. Either way, you are intensely focused on the rock with in 12 feet of you, not looking “down”.

    Mountaineering, similar, intensely focused on the path ahead,

    in my late 20’s, discovered a cheat, climbing to the top of a mountain with a parapent. I’m not afraid of flying. If I were younger these days, it would be a squirrel suit and parachute.

    If the mind is too busy with other things, the “voices” shut up.

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    Redshift

    @Alison Rose: I had Pfizer, but Ms. Redshift (in her 50s) had Moderna. Her main side effects from the second shot were flu-like symptoms (aches, fatigue, slight fever, headache, but no congestion) , but she did have some nausea. Not as constant as the other symptoms, but definitely a part of it.

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    rikyrah

    @Alison Rose:

    My sister, late 60’s, had Moderna- nothing.

    Co-workers daughter, mid 30’s, bad side effects for 12 hours. Second shot

    Good friend, early 50’s, chills and fever, 12 hours ,second shot.

    Everyone is different.

    Please get the shot???

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    Uncle Cosmo

    @Alison Rose:  Wrong gender, wrong (de)generation, whatever:
    In the evening after Moderna #1 (in the late afternoon) I experienced some wobbliness and chills, no nausea. In the evening after Moderna #2 (again in the late afternoon) I felt nothing out of the ordinary, and felt pretty decent the next morning, but that afternoon I got very tired & conked out on my brother’s couch for a couple hours after a fairly light Easter supper. In both cases the injection site was sore the morning after (it actually bled after #1, which I don’t recall after any other injection) & stayed that way for 2-4 days. I finished the course over a month ago and have noticed no persisting side effects.

    Best of luck with your situation.​

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    sab

    @Alison Rose: A sample of women I know who got Moderna, ages 35 to 67. All of us were very fatigued, usual was two days. All of us had sore arms, from slightly to very. Most but not all of us had slight fevers, one of us had a more than slight fever. None of us had actual nausea. My sample is tiny, nine friends and relatives.

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    Uncle Cosmo

    @zhena gogolia: ​How do you get down from the rock/mountain?

    You don’t get down from a rock or a moutain, silly. You get down from a duck.
    (You’re very welcome!)​​

    (NB I learned that when I was about 5 years old, in a electrical quiz box, under the heading “Conundrums” – the meaning of which I didn’t learn till I was 12. The original question was “How do you get down from an elephant?”)

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    Gravenstone

    I do hope that callow Mr. Cawthorne understands and appreciates that she could literally kick his ass.

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    Karen in SoCal

    @Alison Rose: I’m also over 40 but I and several people I know got the Moderna.  None of us had anything worse than fatigue and a sore arm.  No nausea at all.

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    Betty

    @sdhays: I recall Josh supporting the invasion.  I called it the March of Folly based on Barbara Tuchman’s book describing earlier such adventures.

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    NotMax

    FYI.

    The Emergency Broadband Benefit Program is being administered by the FCC and offers a temporary discount on monthly broadband bills — up to $50 a month (or $75 if your household is on qualifying Tribal lands). If your income qualifies, you can also get a one-time discount of up to $100 for a computer or a tablet.
    [snip]
    There are a variety of ways you can qualify for the program. Qualifications can include your income level (at or below 135 percent of the Federal Poverty level), participation in a program such as SNAP or Medicaid, job loss due to the pandemic, or other criteria. You can get more information by either visiting the FCC website or by going to getemergencybroadband.org
    [snip]
    One warning: if you think you may qualify, don’t put off sending in the application. This is a temporary program, and you lose your benefit when the fund runs out of money, or “six months after the Department of Health and Human Services declares an end to the COVID-19 health emergency” — whichever is sooner. Source

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    Another Scott

    In other, er, …

    When you're too ignorant to know how another Republican embarrassed himself 18 years ago, you can embarrass yourself today. https://t.co/m0AXPKrEIb

    — Mrs. Betty Bowers (@BettyBowers) May 12, 2021

    Amazing, yet unsurprising.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    WestTexan70

    @Alison Rose: My wife is a little older — 51. She’s a breast cancer survivor and is still taking the five-year course of Tamoxifen. She and I both got both Moderna shots. I had no effects, and she only had a day’s worth of exhaustion after the second one. She had no side effects after the first at all. I hope you are able to get the shots. The feeling I experienced after getting the second one is hard to explain. I just felt happy. :)

    Good luck.

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    Mel

    @Alison Rose: I understand. I’ve got lots of autoimmune issues, and am largely housebound. In case it helps a bit, I had the Pfizer vaccines, and had no significant side effects. The first one caused a slight sore arm. The second one caused some chills, achiness, and fatigue. That was it.

    Three female friends (all in their 40s to 50s) have had the Moderna vaccines, and report that the worst side effects were chills and, in one case, a short-lived bout of low grade fever the evening after getting the second dose. One of those friends has rheumatoid arthritis  and battles depression and agoraphobia, and so she was concerned about possibly having severe side effects while home alone. She came through with flying colors, just chills as a side effect, but felt much more confident about getting the vaccine after she set up a check-in plan with several friends, so that someone was available (phone on, ringer at full volume) at all times during the first 24 hours after her vaccine doses in case she needed help.

    If it is a possibility, setting up a check-in system might be helpful. That way, you know that someone will be available quickly if you would need help or support. It really eased her mind to know that there was a plan in place.

    I hope that this info helps a bit. Sending you a big hug.

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    Kay

    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar
    · 3h
    Bret Baier points out to McConnell with receipts that his claims about how the Republican Party is focused on the future is contradicted by the fact fundraising emails from Republican candidates mention Trump more than five times each day

    This is part of it of course. Don’t discount this. They want to continue to fleece the Trump donors.

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    Kent

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Here in the Pacific Northwest, Oregon governor Kate Brown has announced that she will basically drop all Covid related restrictions once the state reaches 70% vaccination.  Take that.  You want the state to re-open completely?  Get your vaccine!

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    Mel

    @Alison Rose: And, I forgot the most important detail! Out of the 20 people I know of who have gotten the Moderna vaccine, nobody experienced any nausea or vomiting.

    A couple of men said that they had gassiness, but other than making their dogs and spouses wince, nothing that was unbearable!

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    cckids

    @Alison Rose: Hi, I am way over 40, but from my own experience plus about 25 more family + co-workers, Moderna seems to make people very tired; Pfizer tends to add the nausea. FWIW.

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    Mel

    @Alison Rose: Just reached out to a friend and to his hubby – both got Moderna. My friend had chills and fatigue, but he didn’t have any other side effects.

    Friend’s hubby (who has IBD and ulcers) reports that he had mild aching, sore arm, and low grade fever, but no gastrointestinal symptoms. He  says he had no issues with nausea after either dose of the vaccine.

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    planetjanet

    @Alison Rose: ​
    I did not have any nausea. For the first shot, I had was a sore arm for a day. It also triggered a period. I have heard anecdotes about getting intense periods. For the second, I had a very restless night that day. After 24 hours, my arm also was slightly pink and faintly itchy. I had a headache for a couple of days and felt slightly warm. All went away after the third day.

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    cwmoss

    @sherparick: Frankenstein not a great metaphor for GOP scumbags and what they’ve wrought. The creature was sane and rational whereas Viktor was the insane one, in my opinion.

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    Darkrose

    @Alison Rose: I’m 51, and my wife is 57, and we’re both fully vaccinated with Moderna. We had roughly the same side effects after the second dose: basically a very mild case of the flu, with fatigue, muscle aches, and a little bit of a headache that was maybe a 3 on the 0-10 scale. Neither of us had nausea, though I did have a loss of appetite for a day or so. I got the shot on Monday and was back to WFH on Thursday; I could have gone back a day earlier, but I was still pretty sleepy.

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    evodevo

    @Alison Rose: ​
      Mr. Evodevo and I had nothing but sore arms from Shot #1. Shot #2 was three weeks later, and we both thought it was a nothingburger until about 10-12 hrs later…he woke up with BAD indigestion (no vomiting or nausea, & he had eaten BBQ ribs for dinner) and had to take a couple antacids, and my osteoarthritis was going nuts in both knees and hip joints. I stuck it out till morning, and then took an ibuprofen (and he took a Tylenol AND ibuprofen) and it all went away. Haven’t had anything since. BUT the feeling of existential relief was enormous. We have been eating out, going to small events and seeing friends we haven’t been near for a year. WONDERFUL.

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