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You are here: Home / Domestic Terrorism / Foreign Affairs Open Thread: The Bolsonaro From Brazil

Foreign Affairs Open Thread: The Bolsonaro From Brazil

by Anne Laurie|  January 9, 20237:33 pm| 40 Comments

This post is in: Domestic Terrorism, Foreign Affairs, Open Threads

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Brazil’s former President Jair Bolsonaro has been admitted to a US hospital with severe abdominal pain a day after his supporters stormed Brasilia https://t.co/ao506ALRkS via @bpolitics @danielcarvalho_ @brandimarte

— Robert Jameson (@rhjameson) January 9, 2023


Bolsonaro might quite plausibly need medical care — he’s had repeated hospitalizations for bowel obstructions since surviving an assassination attempt some years ago, not to mention suffering the aftereffects of multiple coronavirus infections. And no doubt it’s very stressful when your supporters’ attempts to overthrow your legitimately elected successor fail miserably and publicly.

NPR has more details:

Bolsonaro goes to hospital in Florida as Brazil cracks down on riots by his supporters https://t.co/6sF40LftPF

— NPR World (@nprworld) January 9, 2023

Google Translate: White House: Biden invited Lula to visit Washington in early February. Lula accepted the invitation.

Casa Branca: Biden convidou Lula para visitar Washington no início de fevereiro. Lula aceitou o convite.

— Raquel Krähenbühl (@Rkrahenbuhl) January 9, 2023

BOLSONARO SUPPORTERS: 150 of us have been arrested but we will never stop. These are the new Crusades

BOLSONARO: [currently experiencing The Seas with Nemo & Friends at Walt Disney World's EPCOT park]

— Populism Updates (@PopulismUpdates) January 8, 2023

Brazil riot police deploy at Bolsonaro backers' camp after capital stormed https://t.co/BEBy8KmOZ9

— Nandita Bose (@nanditab1) January 9, 2023

1500 people have been arrested.

Minister of Justiça, @FlavioDino: Yesterday we had the Brazilian Capitol. With two differences: first, there were no deaths, and second, there are more people arrested here than there.”

— Raquel Krähenbühl (@Rkrahenbuhl) January 9, 2023

Google Translate: SEE: Bolsonaro family dolls dressed as inmates on Avenida Paulista.

🚨VEJA: Bonecos da família Bolsonaro com roupas de presidiários na Avenida Paulista. pic.twitter.com/LlFPLyKajP

— CHOQUEI (@choquei) January 9, 2023

In 2019, Eduardo Bolsonaro (one of the sons) joined Steve Bannon’s far-right nationalist group called The Movement. He was also in DC during the January 6th siege on the Capitol. Just something to keep in mind. https://t.co/aJMFcNs5bn

— New York City Antifa (@NYCAntifa) January 8, 2023

State spox Ned Price says: If someone entered US on an "A" visa, essentially a diplomatic visa, & an A visa holder is no longer engaged in official business, it is incumbent on that visa holder to depart the US or request a change to another immigration status, within 30 days.

— Laura Rozen (@lrozen) January 9, 2023

And that request would be made to the Department of Homeland Security.
It is incumbent on visa holder to make that request to change their status or leave the country.

Asked if individual does not do either or those things, (leave or change their visa status), what happens, Price says:
If an individual has no basis to be in US, the individual is subject to removal by [the Department of] Homeland Security.

Asked about prospect an A visa holder might have entered US on a different visa, Price said: I would be hard-pressed to think of scenario when sitting head of state would travel on something other than A visa if that person was here on something for official business.

Answering @Reuters question @StateDeptSpox says: "If an A visa holder is no longer engaged in official business on behalf of their government, it is incumbent on that visa holder to depart US or to request a change to another immigration status within 30 days." #Brazil #Bolsonaro https://t.co/11Etx9nuKv

— Hümeyra Pamuk (@humeyra_pamuk) January 9, 2023

BREAKING 🇧🇷: Federal deputy Erika Hilton has officially submitted a request to the Foreign Ministry to initiate the extradition of Jair Bolsonaro from the United States. pic.twitter.com/QWY43FLEMS

— David Adler (@davidrkadler) January 9, 2023

Just last week:

One minute you're president/aspiring dictator of Brazil. The next, you're eating KFC in Florida. https://t.co/HV93uIGMia

— TVMoJoe (@TVMoJoe) January 2, 2023

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    1. 1.

      Baud

      January 9, 2023 at 7:44 pm

      In 2019, Eduardo Bolsonaro (one of the sons) joined Steve Bannon’s far-right nationalist group called The Movement

      More like The Bowel Movement.

      Reply
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      There go two miscreants

      January 9, 2023 at 7:56 pm

      I’m not clever enough to re-write Blame It On The Bossa Nova for this, but it should scan nicely and someone surely already has.​

      ETA: Where are Barry and Cynthia when you need them?

      Reply
    3. 3.

      Mai Naem mobile

      January 9, 2023 at 7:58 pm

      Guess Bolsanaro really is full of shit.

      Reply
    4. 4.

      piratedan

      January 9, 2023 at 7:58 pm

      @Baud: agreed, but the amount of….. crap that these folks are generating for the rest of us…. I sit back and wonder what fucking judge in their right mind leaves Bannon roaming free on the street to create more crime before he reports to serve his sentence?

      Reply
    5. 5.

      Argiope

      January 9, 2023 at 8:04 pm

      @There go two miscreants: ​
        THIS calls for Subaru Diane!! (Siubhan, are you scanning? Your fans await…..)

      Reply
    6. 6.

      David 🌈☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

      January 9, 2023 at 8:05 pm

      This is surprising, Bolsonaro is usually a pain in the ass

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    7. 7.

      Mike in NC

      January 9, 2023 at 8:06 pm

      Surely south Florida can accommodate two would-be dictators. Trump and Bolsonaro ought to come up with a power-sharing plan that both would approve of. Trump can rule during the odd months and Bolsonaro during the even ones. DeSantis, meanwhile, has set his sights on the White House. Imagine him trying to deal with Putin! I say that as somebody who fervently hopes to never set foot in Floriduh ever again.

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    8. 8.

      Lapassionara

      January 9, 2023 at 8:09 pm

      isnt there an important football game on tonight?

      Reply
    9. 9.

      JPL

      January 9, 2023 at 8:10 pm

      @Lapassionara: I was thinking we give a shout out to Raven.   I hope he is not in the top section that is open to the elements.

      Reply
    10. 10.

      WaterGirl

      January 9, 2023 at 8:16 pm

      @Mike in NC:

      Surely south Florida can accommodate two would-be dictators.

      Why would you do that to Betty Cracker? :-)

      Reply
    11. 11.

      Frankensteinbeck

      January 9, 2023 at 8:32 pm

      Wow, the Supreme Court in the US sure doesn’t have the power to send out an arrest warrant.  Unlike right wingers in the US, I guess they don’t appreciate being collateral targets.

      If Bolsonaro did plan this… I mean, the whole plan hinged on the rioters’ belief that the military would see the uprising and join their side, launching the real coup.  You would think Bolsonaro would know whether or not Brazil’s military was interested – which, thankfully, it isn’t.

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      prostratedragon

      January 9, 2023 at 8:36 pm

      @Frankensteinbeck: ​ From what folks around and about have said, one would think someone would have told him before hand not to count on the generals. That last time must have been a doozy to have killed interest for more than a generation now.

      Reply
    13. 13.

      Betty Cracker

      January 9, 2023 at 8:40 pm

      @Lapassionara: Dawgs vs. Frawgs. It’s not looking good for the Frawgs.

      Reply
    14. 14.

      Frankensteinbeck

      January 9, 2023 at 8:41 pm

      @prostratedragon: ​
      Maybe… he’s just a complete dumbass like Trump? All I know about the guy is that he’s a raging Cleek’s Law style right wing asshole. It’s hard to credit idiots rising to the top in other countries, but America isn’t unique.

      Reply
    15. 15.

      oatler

      January 9, 2023 at 8:42 pm

      “Lisa, the boys from Brazil are little Hitlers! It was in that movie! whose name I can’t remember!”

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    16. 16.

      Lapassionara

      January 9, 2023 at 8:44 pm

      @Betty Cracker: we’ll, good for Raven’s team then.

      Reply
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      geg6

      January 9, 2023 at 8:48 pm

      @Frankensteinbeck:

      From what I’ve read in various online outlets, that was exactly the plan.  They expected the cops and then the military to join them.  They never expected to be arrested.  Same stupid dipshits as the Trumpists.

      Reply
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      Betty Cracker

      January 9, 2023 at 8:48 pm

      @Lapassionara: I was hoping for a good game. Poor Frawgs.

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      philostopher

      January 9, 2023 at 9:01 pm

      @geg6:

      Stupider, in one particular way – Trump was still sitting in the White House when his minions tried to overrun the US Capitol. Lula da Silva was inaugurated over a week ago, now – at the very least, he occupies their equivalent of the White House, and ostensibly has whatever control of the military and law enforcement Brazilian heads of state have.

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      Mel

      January 9, 2023 at 9:02 pm

      @Argiope: I’m no Subaru Diane at this, for sure, but here’s a stanza while we await her poetic majesty!

      …Blame it on the KFC
      with its delicious smell!

      Blame it on the orange tan, and the cheap toupee so swell.

      Oh, it all began with a little Putin dance, but soon it ended up a fascist romance.

      Blame it on the oligarchs, falling from above…

      Reply
    21. 21.

      Anonymous At Work

      January 9, 2023 at 9:03 pm

      Wait, so, there’s an illegal immigrant in Florida and DeathSantis isn’t sending him packing immediately?  Why isn’t that front page news at NYT?

      Reply
    22. 22.

      Steeplejack

      January 9, 2023 at 9:13 pm

      @Betty Cracker:

      They haven’t unleashed the hypnotoad yet!

      Reply
    23. 23.

      Frankensteinbeck

      January 9, 2023 at 9:22 pm

      @geg6: ​

      They never expected to be arrested. Same stupid dipshits as the Trumpists.

      Exactly like the Trumpists. They were shocked, gobsmacked, when the FBI started rounding them up. It’s why I say the light defense of the Capitol was the only reason it happened. The Jan 6th rioters only did it because they were sure they would face no consequences.

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      prostratedragon

      January 9, 2023 at 9:24 pm

      @Anonymous At Work:  Not illegal till the end of the month if he doesn’t report. (Happy borthday to me,   )

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      Ryan

      January 9, 2023 at 10:15 pm

      They said KFC they said.  Said I wouldn’t regret it, they said…

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    26. 26.

      kindness

      January 9, 2023 at 10:22 pm

      Can we get them to take Bannon away too?

      Reply
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      Ken

      January 9, 2023 at 10:22 pm

      @Anonymous At Work: Not just the one, Bolsonaro travelled with a bunch of supporters. And he’s gone to the hospital with some yet-to-be-diagnosed ailment. So Fox should be trotting out their boilerplate story about a caravan of diseased South American migrants any minute now, right?

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      Dan B

      January 9, 2023 at 10:48 pm

      @Frankensteinbeck:  There are videos of the police letting the rioters into buildings and members of parliament.  There’s some other security service on video doing the same.

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    29. 29.

      Enhanced Voting Techniques

      January 9, 2023 at 10:53 pm

      I would imagine from a South American POV the coup happening while Bolsonaro is off in the Great Northern Gringo Meddler itself, the United States, would make any self respecting Brazilians’ skin crawl. This whole thing is so blazingly stupid from start to finish that Steve Banon has to be the drunken fool that came up with it.

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      Enhanced Voting Techniques

      January 9, 2023 at 10:57 pm

      @Ken: Banon’s South American Sockpuppet was posting on twitter from his hospital bed and he does look just miserable and he was saying he needs to get back to doctors in Brazil since they know the denials of his condition.

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      Kent

      January 9, 2023 at 11:00 pm

      BREAKING 🇧🇷: Federal deputy Erika Hilton has officially submitted a request to the Foreign Ministry to initiate the extradition of Jair Bolsonaro from the United States.

      I thought we didn’t have an extradition treaty with Brazil.  Or has that changed recently

      EDIT:  Googled it.  Apparently we do but Brazil refuses to extradite Brazilian nationals.

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    32. 32.

      Jay C

      January 9, 2023 at 11:06 pm

       

      @prostratedragon:

      according to most reports I’ve read, Bolsonaro had already run an appeal to overturn the election results by the Brazilian military brass shortly after the vote. And they flatly refused to get involved.

      Reply
    33. 33.

      Steve Crickmore

      January 9, 2023 at 11:20 pm

      The military police were fairly useless as you can see from this video. https://twitter.com/OneAddyAdds/status/1612245785130803200

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      The Moar You Know

      January 9, 2023 at 11:28 pm

      As I mentioned in a previous thread, I’ve had the same surgery as Bolsonaro had, although there is no doubt that his was more severe.  My damage was at least done by a surgeon.

      Small bowel obstruction kills and he’s had at least five go-rounds since the attempt on his life that have made the media.  He doesn’t take care of his diet and he’ll be dead soon enough I expect.

      In the meantime rest assured his every waking moment is pain.  You can’t take opiates for bowel issues.

      If you think I feel sorry for him, well, I do to an extent. Doesn’t change that he’s a complete shit human being, but I know how he feels physically and he cannot be enjoying his life.  At all.

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      Kent

      January 9, 2023 at 11:35 pm

      @Jay C:according to most reports I’ve read, Bolsonaro had already run an appeal to overturn the election results by the Brazilian military brass shortly after the vote. And they flatly refused to get involved.

      If they didn’t do it then, they won’t do it now.  Most Latin American militaries are smart enough to no longer want to get involved in coups and leading civilian government.  All that gets them is blame for everything that goes wrong in the country from shitty roads to sporadic electrical service to bad schools.   Much better to just grift away behind the scenes and let the civilian leaders take the fall for whatever goes wrong.

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      mvr

      January 9, 2023 at 11:41 pm

      @The Moar You Know: That’s unfortunate. Pain over time is harder to take than just the pain itself, by which I mean it makes it harder to do things that make life fun.

      Reply
    37. 37.

      eldorado

      January 10, 2023 at 1:21 am

      @The Moar You Know:  …You can’t take opiates for bowel issues.

      you aren’t the boss of me

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      Bruce K in ATH-GR

      January 10, 2023 at 4:10 am

      @eldorado:

      you aren’t the boss of me

      No, but apparently if you take opiates when you have bowel issues, your lower GI tract will be the boss of you, and treat you like Elon Musk treats underlings who displease him.

      Reply
    39. 39.

      GibberJack

      January 10, 2023 at 10:11 am

      Bolsonaro collapsed and was rushed to the hospital where doctors had to pump a pint of semen out of his stomach.

      Reply
    40. 40.

      GibberJack

      January 10, 2023 at 12:24 pm

      @GibberJack: Doesn’t matter if this take on an old urban legend is true or not — Make the fascist bastard deny it!

      Reply

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