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You are here: Home / 2024 Elections / SunBund Report: ‘Strange World’ Indeed!

SunBund Report: ‘Strange World’ Indeed!

by Betty Cracker|  May 16, 202310:40 am| 245 Comments

This post is in: 2024 Elections, Civil Rights, Domestic Politics, LGBTQ Rights Are Human Rights, Open Threads, Politics, Republican Stupidity

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Lately we’ve been watching Yellowstone, which is about a ruthless Montana ranching family who are trying to hang onto the valley and cattle operation they’ve owned for 100 years rather than let city folks buy it up to build airports, ski resorts and condos. The family’s ancestors stole the valley from Native Americans, who had tried to keep the ranchers, cows and fences out.

As the descendant of folks who stole land in a different frontier generations ago — flatter, swampier, hotter Florida — I find the plight of the change resisters in Yellowstone relatable. Not so much the opposition to the “pave paradise and put up a parking lot” component; most of that happened here before I was born. It’s the attempts to change the character of the place itself that pisses me off.

Here’s an example from Hernando County, Florida, where local school board member Shannon Rodriguez, a “Moms for Liberty” GOP operative, ratted out her daughter’s fifth grade teacher, Jenna Barbee, to the state department of education. The teacher’s offense was showing Disney’s “Strange World” movie to part of her class while classmates finished a test. There’s no sexuality in the movie, but there is a gay character, and acknowledging queer people’s existence is verboten now for K-12 public schools.

“It is not a teacher’s job to impose their beliefs upon a child: religious, sexual orientation, gender identity, any of the above. But allowing movies such as this assist teachers in opening a door, and please hear me, they assist teachers in opening a door for conversations that have no place in our classrooms,” Rodriguez said at a May 9 school board meeting…

“A school board member, an elected official of power, who was supposed to be nonpartisan, is allowed to present to the public that she is Christian and that God appointed her to the board. And yet it is indoctrination that I showed a Disney movie,” said Barbee.

Rodriguez responded, “as a leader in this community, I’m not going to stand by and allow this minority to infiltrate our schools … God did put me here.”

Rodriquez has it exactly bass-ackwards — she and her fellow god-bothering morons are the “minority” who are infiltrating our schools and government. Will the rest of us stand by and allow it? So far we have.

As Yellowstone portrays it, Montana values are self-reliance and toughness. Florida’s character was quirky and mostly tolerant until the morality police took over the government. It wasn’t always tolerant of everyone, of course. This is a former Confederate state that is still culturally about one-third Alabama. Racism, sexism, homophobia and stunning levels of corruption and greed have always had a home here.

But Floridians reveled in our weirdness for a generation or two, from Key West’s big gay Fantasy Fests to the Redneck Riviera’s wild scenes of spring break debauchery to Florida Man’s ubiquitous antics. As Sun Sentinel columnist Fred Grimm suggests, we’ve lost something many of us didn’t even know was precious as “nasty, intolerant politics takes the fun out of Margaritaville:”

Florida’s reverse-metamorphosis from butterfly to caterpillar, from moderate, tolerant, multi-cultural tourist destination to an immigrant-bashing, drag-queen-hating bastion of white Christian nationalism has become our most noteworthy attribute. No one cares anymore about a Florida Man so desperate for a ride to Hooters he called 911…

Florida expat nautical writer and world traveler John Kretschmer has noticed that Europeans have a new regard for the state. “In the not-so-distant past, the mention of Florida would bring a smile and talk of sun, beaches, good times, maybe not too serious, but a place everybody wanted to go,” John told me. “Not so much these days. People look at me with concern. Almost like I said I was from Texas.”

The truth is, the morality police were playing the long game for decades while the rest of us lounged on the beach. Those who sat on the sidelines let this happen, and unless they get off their duffs and help reclaim what we had, it will stay lost.

On some level, the chief of the morality police, DeSantis, understands that his values aren’t compatible with the state’s, which is why he explicitly disowns the quirky Florida he grew up in. Here’s how he primly signaled that to the tens who’ve read his shitty book:

“I was geographically raised in Tampa Bay,” DeSantis writes, “but culturally my upbringing reflected the working-class communities in western Pennsylvania and northeast Ohio — from weekly church attendance to the expectation that one would earn his keep. This made me God-fearing, hard-working and America-loving.”

I don’t know if that asshole and the extremists he’s summoned from the woodwork will remain a Florida problem or become America’s problem. My sense is the latter option is less likely today than it was a few months ago, but we’ve seen demagogues who’ve been declared dead by the celebrity Beltway press rise again, so this is no time to relax.

As for Florida, where the wreckage is piling up daily, the seeds of potential redemption may be germinating in the current governor’s ambitious overreach. I don’t say it’s inevitable that we come back from this, but I do believe it’s possible.

One memorable line from Yellowstone sums up the plot: “You build something worth having, someone’s gonna try to take it.” The mistake those who valued quirky, tolerant Florida made was in thinking all the stuff worth having was already gone. It wasn’t. We can take it back, and maybe these three words can be the slogan of that effort: Keep Florida Weird.

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    1. 1.

      OverTwistWillie

      May 16, 2023 at 10:49 am

      I saw this elsewhere online, and thought of BC:

      Florida has an entire Illinois government-in-exile down there, and it’s at least as delusional and unhinged as the Cuban expats.

      Reply
    2. 2.

      japa21

      May 16, 2023 at 10:51 am

      Hope springs eternal, yet hope alone isn’t enough. We can hope that DeSantis has worn out his welcome, even in Florida, but work is required to make sure that is the case. Same nationally.

      We are going to Disney World in August. Don’t bring up the heat and humidity, please. Already fully aware. This will be the last time we will go to Florida unless things change.

      Which is sad. There are so many things in Florida that we love, from the Corkscrew Sanctuary to St. Augustine.

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    3. 3.

      NeenerNeener

      May 16, 2023 at 10:55 am

      There’s a prequel to Yellowstone called 1883, and at the end of that series the tribe that lived in that area told Pa Dutton that his family could live in that valley for some number of  generations, but after that the local tribe wanted them gone. I vaguely remember it being something like 7 generations, but back then no one lived past 60 so 7 generations were expected to have come and gone a lot faster than they actually did.

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    4. 4.

      Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg

      May 16, 2023 at 10:58 am

      Carl Hiasson and Tim Dorsey have  to be apoplectic over the notion that their prime subject matter of Florida Man doesn’t hardly exist anymore.

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    5. 5.

      cain

      May 16, 2023 at 11:00 am

      Not say gay in classrooms – many youths know they are gay by the time they are 8-9 years old. Saying you can’t have those conversations about identity is ridiculously stupid because The Ghey is all around you. Human sexuality is not a binary choice – and that’s a wonderful thing. Being able to love in all its complexity is a beautiful thing.

      In any case, what the fuck are you going to do when you talk about Mathematics and you’re talking about Turing machines – can’t talk about Alan Turing and him being gay?

      What’s especially nuts is that you can’t even do it in college apparently? Eventually, it’s going to come down on all of them like a bag of hammers. This country is already accepting of everything and they are an anachronism – they’ll hold on to power but the next generation should tell them that their beliefs will not survive past Gen X.

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    6. 6.

      Math Guy

      May 16, 2023 at 11:01 am

      Same sex relationships and marriage are legal, in fact, constitutional, in this country so how is it possible that banning portrayals of the existence of such relationships would be legally acceptable?

      Reply
    7. 7.

      Betty Cracker

      May 16, 2023 at 11:01 am

      @japa21: I read a piece in Salon the other day about how to fight back against fascism in Florida, which the author correctly notes is a threat to the whole country. It’s worth a read.

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      cain

      May 16, 2023 at 11:02 am

      You know I hear there was a lot of controversy around Kevin Costner declaring himself a conservative and all that and didn’t give a shit about whether it costs him stardom. Dumb ass.

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    9. 9.

      Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg

      May 16, 2023 at 11:04 am

      As I think about it, this all comes down to the fact that Florida became the preferred destination for all of the shittiest people (retired and otherwise) from a quadrilateral bounded by lines that run from St Louis to Cape May,  Cape May to New London, New London to Appleton, and from Appleton down to St Louis.

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      Old School

      May 16, 2023 at 11:05 am

      We took the kids to see “Strange World” in the theater last year.  (One of the few as it didn’t do overly well at the box office.)  It was an entertaining way to spend a couple of hours and the “gay” storyline was a subplot.  It certainly isn’t the main storyline.

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      Baud

      May 16, 2023 at 11:08 am

      @cain:

      What has he even done lately?

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      gwangung

      May 16, 2023 at 11:09 am

      Knowing one of the directors, I was kinda disappointed Strange World did so poorly at the box office.

      But it was a perfectly fine, unobjectionable piece of work…maybe this will turn around and get him some notoriety.

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    13. 13.

      OverTwistWillie

      May 16, 2023 at 11:11 am

      Reactionary politics are part and parcel of the bust out. A half remembered comment to a sixty year old film touting California’s new highways:

      everything thing is so clean, and no traffic…

      No shit Sherlock. They grab the cash, trash a place and complain when the bills for the commonweal come due. Just blame it all on “those people”.

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      Jim, Foolish Literalist

      May 16, 2023 at 11:11 am

      @Baud: I remembered Costner as having been a Hollywood Republican in the 90s. I don’t think that hurt his career as much as Waterworld. Just about everybody I know loves Yellowstone, I watched the first episode and felt like it takes itself extremely seriousl

      ETA: On Florida: I saw on twitter yesterday yet another link to yet another article about how Casey De Santis is a “secret weapon”. I didn’t note which outlet it was, but somebody really, really wants to make Casey happen

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    15. 15.

      CindyH

      May 16, 2023 at 11:12 am

      @cain: I read he supported Liz Cheney and supported Pete Buttigieg so doesn’t seem strictly conservative

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    16. 16.

      UncleEbeneezer

      May 16, 2023 at 11:13 am

      Just curious: Do any of these historical Western rancher series’ ever address the Homestead Act and which demographic groups were given access to land and weren’t?  I’d love to see that sort of thing show up more in our popular formulations of the West.  Godless had the plot line that involved a Black girl who lived outside of town with the former Buffalo Soldiers, so it sort of touched on the discrimination/segregation of the West.  The English was also very good for showing the Native-American perspective of the West in a way that seemed much more honest than most.

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    17. 17.

      Renie

      May 16, 2023 at 11:15 am

      So how does DeSantis reconcile his anti-gay agenda with Key West?  Does he just ignore it and pretend it’s not part of Florida?

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    18. 18.

      Baud

      May 16, 2023 at 11:15 am

      @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

      I’ve never gotten into Western as a genre.

      I wonder if they’re pissed that Country/Western is now just called Country.

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    19. 19.

      schrodingers_cat

      May 16, 2023 at 11:17 am

      @Baud: Western as a movie genre or music?

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    20. 20.

      japa21

      May 16, 2023 at 11:19 am

      @Betty Cracker:  Definitely worth the read.  A lot more is going on down there than I knew about in terms of standing up to DeSantis.  It appears that he may have really overreached.

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    21. 21.

      artem1s

      May 16, 2023 at 11:20 am

      between rising sea levels, hurricanes, red tide and now White Nationalism/Fascism I think it’s likely FL’s tourism industry is going to start taking a hit. Cheap ass airfare isn’t going to make up for threatening the majority of your customers with cancel culture, violence, and even extermination. I took a driving trip thru the state down to Key Largo last fall but will probably opt to take my vacation dollars elsewhere this year. I was very nervous about driving thru the state alone. It wasn’t a problem but that was before the crazy really started to ramp up with DeathSantos. I was more nervous about getting COVID honestly. But now I just flat out don’t want to be there or support the state’s economy. I can’t imagine anyone thinking it’s a great place to buy property or retire too. It will always be the easy choice if you are east of the Rockies. But it’s gotten way too crowded , too full of The Villages mentality and there are other options that don’t include dealing with Talibangicals on every corner.

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    22. 22.

      Baud

      May 16, 2023 at 11:20 am

      @schrodingers_cat:

      I’ve never gotten into Westerns as movies or music.

      Reply
    23. 23.

      Low Key Swagger

      May 16, 2023 at 11:21 am

      The larger point of this point requires more time to ponder and respond…but I find the whole “Yellowstone” series kind of peculiar.  It is, at it’s core, an hour long soap opera designed to sell Dodge trucks and Orvis coats and jackets.  I think it works as a show because it has something for everyone.  Horses, breath-taking vistas, beautiful ranches, gun violence and complicated families. I see the merch everywhere.  But to me, the most popular characters are the least likeable.  They are all killers who find ways to justify murder and vigilantism.  Bothers me.

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    24. 24.

      Sure Lurkalot

      May 16, 2023 at 11:22 am

      That DeSantis quote of being raised in Tampa but his upbringing was culturally rust belt is so much bullshit. If that’s where his (mostly apocryphal) values of being hard working and god fearing are, why doesn’t he go live there? The salt of the earth posturing is so tiring.

      And to notice, there are humans who are born with markers they don’t identify with, much like ol’ Ron doesn’t identify with his upbringing. He’s putting those humans in harm’s way so he can just go fuck right off.

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    25. 25.

      mrmoshpotato

      May 16, 2023 at 11:22 am

      @OverTwistWillie:

      Florida has an entire Illinois government-in-exile down there 

      I can only assume this means Rethuglican trash that we throw out of our state government up here.

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    26. 26.

      scav

      May 16, 2023 at 11:25 am

      @mrmoshpotato: Jail or FL, the usual retirement spots of many IL officials.  Hairs breath of difference in many instances.  Sometimes we just don’t need the license plates.

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    27. 27.

      mrmoshpotato

      May 16, 2023 at 11:25 am

      @Sure Lurkalot:

      That DeSantis quote of being raised in Tampa but his upbringing was culturally rust belt is so much bullshit. If that’s where his (mostly apocryphal) values of being hard working and god fearing are, why doesn’t he go live there? The salt of the earth posturing is so tiring. 

      Because he doesn’t want to be cold in winter. (tantrum.gif)

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    28. 28.

      cain

      May 16, 2023 at 11:28 am

      @Baud: I think he’s doing Yellowstone. But other than that – nothing?

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    29. 29.

      Steeplejack

      May 16, 2023 at 11:28 am

      @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

      Casey DeSantis, you say?

      Relatable?

      She wears actual capes as routine daywear.
      https://t.co/bwG2iuFVzw pic.twitter.com/3xGE33KTs0

      — The Hoarse Whisperer (@TheRealHoarse) May 15, 2023

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    30. 30.

      Jim, Foolish Literalist

      May 16, 2023 at 11:29 am

      @mrmoshpotato: IIRC Rauner moved down to FL after he lost. There was a mini-scandal when the “exclusive enclave” he now lives in somehow got bumped up the priority list for vaccines by the now anti-vax governor

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    31. 31.

      cain

      May 16, 2023 at 11:29 am

      @CindyH: So maybe a classical conservative – and not a MAGA asshat.

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    32. 32.

      Baud

      May 16, 2023 at 11:30 am

      @cain: Ah, I’ve never watched that show.

      Reply
    33. 33.

      Cameron

      May 16, 2023 at 11:31 am

      Certainly Whiteboots Puddinghand is demonstrating his awesome govermenteralizering skills for the whole country to admire.  A Florida city drowns under an apocalyptic rainstorm?  Keep on keepin’ on with that book tour!  Stand strong!  Your state’s largest employer expresses some concern over government-mandated gender restrictions?  Attack them with some of that First-Amendment-violating legislation – and openly brag about it!  Hmm-could that be the Florida tourist industry swirling around in the porcelain bowl?  Time to double down – terrify immigrants away from the state!  I mean, that worked so well for Georgia farmers when their state pulled this same shit a few years ago.  You can trash Florida’s ag industry, too!  Shine on, you crazy diamond!

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    34. 34.

      Marmot

      May 16, 2023 at 11:31 am

      We can take it back, and maybe these three words can be the slogan of that effort: Keep Florida Weird.

      Nice to see Austin’s (positive) influence put to work! We’ve got a lot to make up for after Alex Jones.

      We also have our work cut out for us. Regular Texans don’t pay attention to politics, then default to whatever fits some nostalgic stereotype in the voting booth. Just motivating them to look up once in a while would solve our state Dems’ electoral problems.

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    35. 35.

      catclub

      May 16, 2023 at 11:31 am

      @Baud: I wonder if they’re pissed that Country/Western is now just called Country.

       

      Our band plays all kinds of music. Country AND Western

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    36. 36.

      mrmoshpotato

      May 16, 2023 at 11:33 am

      @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

      IIRC Rauner moved down to FL after he lost. 

      That’s not Italy.  He said he was going to fuck off to Italy.

      There was a mini-scandal when the “exclusive enclave” he now lives in somehow got bumped up the priority list for vaccines by the now anti-vax governor

      Ah yes. I remember that. Bastards.

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    37. 37.

      catclub

      May 16, 2023 at 11:35 am

      @Baud: ​
      &nbsp

      ;I’ve never gotten into Westerns as movies or music.

      Does that include the soundtrack to “The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly”? which is amazing.

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    38. 38.

      Amir Khalid

      May 16, 2023 at 11:35 am

      @Baud:

      Last movie I saw Kevin Costner in, he played Superman’s Earth dad — I’m not sure now who played Superman.

      Reply
    39. 39.

      mrmoshpotato

      May 16, 2023 at 11:37 am

      @catclub: 🎶 Can’t be this happy, somebody slap me🎶

      Reply
    40. 40.

      E.

      May 16, 2023 at 11:37 am

      @Low Key Swagger: Yesterday many raised the same complaints about Succession. Like you I never found anyone to like in Yellowstone and quit watching. In Succession I think it is way, way more complicated. In Succession you get tricked into rooting, in a way, for all the wrong people, and then watch them wreck the world. Similar to how Milton gets you to root for Satan in Paradise Lost. The ways of the Roys (or for Milton, Satan) are our ways and we need to see what they lead to in order to stop them.

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    41. 41.

      zhena gogolia

      May 16, 2023 at 11:38 am

      @Steeplejack: Since you’re here, my answer to your comment about “Napoleon” last night:
      @Steeplejack: since you check dead threads—I saw it with the KC Philharmonic in a grand old auditorium. Music— A plus, movie —snooze. And I hate The Gold Rush and all Chaplin

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    42. 42.

      Mai Naem mobile

      May 16, 2023 at 11:38 am

      Moms for Liberty is just another astroturfing organization and its all got to do with $$$ and power. Its about defunding public schools, turning the money over to the religious  schools via school vouchers, thus enriching their evangelical pals. I guarantee you Shannon Rodriguez doesn’t give a crap about gays or trans. Like Kari Lake she’s probably an aficionado of drag shows.  Nice little bonus for the GOP is effectively destroying teachers unions.

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    43. 43.

      Betty Cracker

      May 16, 2023 at 11:38 am

      Y’all:

      Wow I only saw the picture going around, but the video is even worse. pic.twitter.com/7wsTgmZ1Tv

      — Kaivan Shroff (@KaivanShroff) May 16, 2023


      Maybe Tacky O isn’t cut out for giving human lessons…

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    44. 44.

      Jeffro

      May 16, 2023 at 11:42 am

      @Betty Cracker: that Salon piece is good.  The recommendations at the end are also good, but a little wordy and very long-term/aspirational.

      In the short term?  Sue the shit out of DeSantis.  FL citizens’ rights and livelihoods are being trampled on like crazy.

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    45. 45.

      UncleEbeneezer

      May 16, 2023 at 11:42 am

      Barb McQuade lists all of the ways that the Durham Report Witch-hunt is bullshit.

      3 Durham also minimizes the reasons FBI was alarmed enough to open a FI in 2016 based on information received from Australian diplomats about Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos.

      4 According to Aussies, Papadopoulos said, “Trump team had received some kind of suggestion from Russia that it could assist this process with the anonymous release of information during the campaign that would be damaging to Mrs Clinton.”

      5 Papadopoulos’s statement came right after the DNC hack. FBI was properly concerned about Russia’s efforts to influence the presidential election. This was an investigation into RUSSIA.

      6 Trump had other concerning ties to Russians: real estate deals, Miss Universe Pageant, loans from Russian lenders, Trump Tower Moscow project. Campaign Chairman Paul Manafort had lobbied for pro-Russian oligarchs.

      7 Trump campaign members also had ties to Russia. Mike Flynn was paid $45,000 by Russia Today in 2015 for a speech he gave at a banquet where he sat next to Putin. He later lied to FBI about his calls with the Russian ambassador about sanctions during the transition.

      8 Carter Page had been seen meeting with Russian intel officers. It now appears that he was unaware that they were trying to recruit him. Papadopoulos worked to set up a meeting with Putin.

      …

      15 Like Barr, Durham says Mueller found no conspiracy between Trump and Russia but fails to mention the 2016 Trump Tower meeting to receive dirt on Clinton, sharing of polling data with Russian intel officer Konstantin Kilimnik, and coordinating of messaging with Wikileaks.

      16 Durham also ignores Trump’s public statement, “Russia, if you’re listening …” asking them to find Clinton’s missing emails, and the subsequent release of hacked emails hours after the release of the Access Hollywood tape.

      …

      20 The only winner here is Russia, which succeeded in its mission to get its favored candidate elected, sow discord in the United States, and undermine public trust in American institutions.

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      Anoniminous

      May 16, 2023 at 11:42 am

      New Study Finds a High Minimum Wage Creates Jobs

      First, raising the minimum wage successfully increased hourly pay for workers in the bottom 10 percent of the income distribution without reducing wages for those in the middle. Had New York and California failed to pass minimum wage increases, this narrowing of the gap between the bottom and middle rungs of the income ladder would not have occurred. Second, the implications for employment were very slightly positive: Counties that enacted minimum wages saw more job growth, not less.

      Not a surprise to anyone who hasn’t been brain damaged by Conservativism.

      Reply
    47. 47.

      StringOnAStick

      May 16, 2023 at 11:43 am

      @catclub: Since what used to be called country and western is now the music of choice in the former slave holding states, “western” has become superfluous and unrepresentative.

      I have tried to get my husband to see how all the westerns we grew up with the the 1960’s is part of the mythos of the self made American, but I grew up in the West and he grew up in Detroit so he doesn’t see it.  In the west, we felt seen and praised as aspirational for the rest of the US

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    48. 48.

      Jeffro

      May 16, 2023 at 11:44 am

      @Jim, Foolish Literalist:I saw on twitter yesterday yet another link to yet another article about how Casey De Santis is a “secret weapon”. I didn’t note which outlet it was, but somebody really, really wants to make Casey happen

      Were ‘starbursts’ mentioned?  ‘Cause I think that’s about 95% of what’s going on here.

      That, and the wing nuts think they’ve found their own Jackie O (and not some tawdry rent-a-wife that they have to pretend is a great First Lady) this time.

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    49. 49.

      Cameron

      May 16, 2023 at 11:44 am

      @Betty Cracker: Wow.  The pic on the left is out there – it looks like he’s going retro and turning into one of the aliens from that old series V.

      Reply
    50. 50.

      patrick II

      May 16, 2023 at 11:45 am

      What upsets me the most about this is the fifth grader has been taught to report “inappropriate” behavior to an authority — in this case her parent.  It reminds me of stories of communist Russia and Fascist Germany where children were used to keep an eye on adults, and even parents could not trust their children anymore.  It is very chilling.

      Reply
    51. 51.

      Ghost of Joe Liebling’s Dog

      May 16, 2023 at 11:45 am

      @mrmoshpotato:

      That’s not Italy.  He said he was going to fuck off to Italy.

      Naples maybe?

      Reply
    52. 52.

      Betty Cracker

      May 16, 2023 at 11:46 am

      @Betty Cracker: The DeSantis Laughing Scarily video is even worse with the sound up because you can hear that the whole body convulsion-fake laugh was in response to a completely generic comment. He most have been instructed to dispense a specific number of whole body convulsion-fake laughs and was trying to hit the quota.

      Reply
    53. 53.

      Roberto el oso

      May 16, 2023 at 11:46 am

      “Yellowstone” was recommended to us, and I’ve always had a soft spot for Kevin Costner (hell, I even liked ‘The Postman’) so …… There are no nice or good characters, although a few are likeable (Cole Hauser is unrecognizable as Rip, the head cowboy, and is very watchable). But it’s cartoonish in quite a few ways (irritating-as-hell hippie/environmental chick, alcoholic bad-ass daughter toughing it thru multiple traumas, ex-military sensitive son who is married to a Native American, creepy East or West coasters set on plundering the landscape for profit … on and on). And there’s an incredible amount of filler (endless scenes of cowboys breaking in horses (many of which include Taylor Sheridan, who is the show’s creator and quite a horseman) ; endless (and I mean bloody interminable) scenes of “country” bands playing in bars, at county fairs, all the singers with just incredibly exaggerated and to me, fake-sounding, Texas or Oklahoma accents). All in all, I’d say there’s more of a libertarian tilt than a conservative one, and with a few exceptions, pretty much every female character is depicted as a cheerful, carefree slut.

      Despite all that, the acting is good and the vistas are, as they say, breath-taking. It hasn’t yet turned into a hate-watch the way “Narcos” was, but it might.

      Reply
    54. 54.

      zhena gogolia

      May 16, 2023 at 11:47 am

      @Betty Cracker: Wow.

      Reply
    55. 55.

      Jeffro

      May 16, 2023 at 11:48 am

      @Betty Cracker: I’m glad you posted this!  I saw it early and was like, “holy f-bomb, NO ONE is going to warm up to that weirdo!”

      (I know…take nothing for granted, ‘run through the finish line’, all that, but STILL.  If I was a Republican looking at DeSantis as my alternative to trumpov, I’d keep looking for any number of reasons with this being in the top three)

      Reply
    56. 56.

      Steeplejack

      May 16, 2023 at 11:49 am

      @zhena gogolia:

      Napoleon certainly isn’t on my top-however-many list of silent movies, but it was great to have the classical movie palace experience, and it was back when you couldn’t stream stuff or (usually) even find it on DVD. (Can’t remember when that revival was; it might have been before DVDs.)

      Too bad about Chaplin. He did some great stuff. As I thought about it more last night, I think the silent “genre” especially lends itself to horror. Vampyr, The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, M (oops, not really silent, but almost), etc. Although that might just have been those crazy German expressionists.

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    57. 57.

      Greg

      May 16, 2023 at 11:50 am

      One possible way to fight those “moms” is to protest every movie that has any mention of family. If “it is not a teacher’s job to impose their beliefs upon a child: religious, sexual orientation, gender identity, any of the above. But allowing movies such as this assist teachers in opening a door, and please hear me, they assist teachers in opening a door for conversations that have no place in our classrooms,” then any mention of any family structure is forbidden.

      Make Moms for Liberty own this. Make them explicitly defend why “Leave it to Beaver” doesn’t impose a belief of religious, sexual orientation, and gender identity.

      Reply
    58. 58.

      Betty Cracker

      May 16, 2023 at 11:51 am

      @Roberto el oso: My husband calls it “formulaic drivel,” and he’s not wrong. I agree about the filler content — they probably couldn’t get away so much of it if the subject wasn’t adorable horsies.

      Reply
    59. 59.

      Steeplejack

      May 16, 2023 at 11:52 am

      @Betty Cracker:

      Best comment: “The charisma positively oozes from this man.”

      Reply
    60. 60.

      Mai Naem mobile

      May 16, 2023 at 11:53 am

      @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Why doesn’t Dollar Store Jackie imitate Nancy Reagan?

      Reply
    61. 61.

      BlueGuitarist

      May 16, 2023 at 11:58 am

      In addition to pandering references to “western Pennsylvania and northeast Ohio” to “the tens (haha!) who’ve read his shitty book,” (general election pitch?) DeSadeness has been pandering everywhere he goes, calling Florida “the Iowa of the southeast” in Iowa, (first caucus state), but also  the “Utah of the southeast” in Utah (!)

      is he just a ridiculous jerk or does he hate Florida as much as he hates Jesus and good Samaritans?

      Reply
    62. 62.

      zhena gogolia

      May 16, 2023 at 11:58 am

      @Steeplejack: Yeah, I’ve tried them all. I realize it’s my problem, not the movies. Once you get into talkies, though, I can dig any amount of substandard material, as long as Warren William is involved!

      Reply
    63. 63.

      Mai Naem mobile

      May 16, 2023 at 11:58 am

      @Betty Cracker: that’s the first time I’ve seen the video.  I thought the pic was just one of those pics caught at right at the moment where he looks weird. Nah, he’s just plain awkward.

      Reply
    64. 64.

      Jinchi

      May 16, 2023 at 12:01 pm

      DeSantis’s extremism should be a prime opportunity for the opposition to build a base of candidates up and down the ballot. Is any of that happening out of sight of the national media?

      ( I won’t hold out much hope if the answer involves another run by Charlie Crist)

      Reply
    65. 65.

      Steeplejack

      May 16, 2023 at 12:01 pm

      @zhena gogolia:

      Don’t pander to my love of Warren William!

      Reply
    66. 66.

      BlueGuitarist

      May 16, 2023 at 12:01 pm

      Guide for election results watch  tonight, mostly PA and KY but also mayor of Jacksonville and Colorado Springs:

      https://boltsmag.org/whats-on-the-ballot/may-16-election-night-guide-2023/

      Reply
    67. 67.

      Geminid

      May 16, 2023 at 12:05 pm

      @Betty Cracker: DeSantis is shape-shifting, from koi to hyena.

      Reply
    68. 68.

      zhena gogolia

      May 16, 2023 at 12:05 pm

      @Steeplejack: 😂😂😂

      Reply
    69. 69.

      Sure Lurkalot

      May 16, 2023 at 12:05 pm

      @UncleEbeneezer: Barbara McQuade’s thread about the Durham report is quite good and summarizes what is a very complex and convoluted story and investigation. Compared to Emptywheel’s which, unless you have a drive in theater size white board with every player and event connected with pushpins and string, is simply unreadable.

      Reply
    70. 70.

      Amir Khalid

      May 16, 2023 at 12:06 pm

      @Jeffro:

      Everyone here needs to get this right: When she was FLOTUS, she was Jackie Kennedy. She didn’t become Jackie O until she married that rich Greek guy years later.

      Reply
    71. 71.

      oatler

      May 16, 2023 at 12:07 pm

      @Low Key Swagger:

      It’s red state television. My sister, newly moved to MT, dotes on it. She is a woman of “liberal values” who happens to pine for a crisp Republican now and then (guy she married voted for TFG on 2016). She may be a Yellowstone Moderate, to be courted during election year.

      Reply
    72. 72.

      MisterForkbeard

      May 16, 2023 at 12:09 pm

      @Steeplejack: To be fair, I’d totally wear a cape to work if I could.

      But no, normal people don’t get to do that.

      Reply
    73. 73.

      Elizabelle

      May 16, 2023 at 12:09 pm

      @Amir Khalid: Can call her JBK, too.

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    74. 74.

      Baud

      May 16, 2023 at 12:09 pm

      @Betty Cracker:

      “DeSantis will eat your children.”

      Paid for by the  Friends of Brandon Super PAC.

      Reply
    75. 75.

      UncleEbeneezer

      May 16, 2023 at 12:10 pm

      @StringOnAStick: There’s a book called West of Slavery that argues that the West was really an extension of the South due to having so many Confederates who moved there, bringing pro-Slavery sympathies and politics.  So it makes sense that the Rugged Individual (always White) mythology took hold in narratives about the West.  America loves to make stories where we get to be the heroes and builders while skipping past the stolen land, slavery and genocide.  So Western dramas are the perfect setting/vehicle for patting ourselves on the back and re-writing history.  The fact that the first, movie blockbuster was Birth Of A Nation, is very telling.

      Reply
    76. 76.

      Steeplejack

      May 16, 2023 at 12:10 pm

      @Betty Cracker:

      I don’t read much of the celebrity press, but the Google makes sure I can’t avoid it completely, and as Yellowstone has been big in the news lately there have been side stories about how the creator/​producer is apparently soaking the studio with fat fees for using his ranch, his horsies, etc. He even rents out his cattle herd to be in scenes.

      Perhaps “soaking” is unfair; maybe it’s just standard Hollywood production.

      Somewhat related: I have a friend who is tangentially knowledgeable about White House Plumbers (has worked with the producer), and apparently the Kennedy Center charged them $50,000 to do one goddamn shot from their terrace looking across the Potomac toward the Watergate.

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    77. 77.

      Kelly

      May 16, 2023 at 12:12 pm

      Oregon has a gold plated pioneer on top of it’s Capitol Building. Pioneers moving into empty land was Oregon history grade school through high school. The Oregon Trail. Grew up liking all the western movies, country and western music. Marty Robbins. We were out listening to some live music a couple weeks ago and they sang a song about pioneers moving west, starting a town in empty land. Kinda jaring now days.

      Reply
    78. 78.

      OverTwistWillie

      May 16, 2023 at 12:12 pm

      David Milch’s Deadwood is a hard edged western classic. Makes Yellowstone look like The Big Valley.

      I believe the WGAs point is the studios are playing accounting games on streaming productions, like they booked huge losses on movie and tv production, and home video. So they don’t have to pay the below the line talent.

      Oh, man, the bullshit piled up so fast in Vietnam Hollywood, you needed wings to stay above it…

      Reply
    79. 79.

      Manyakitty

      May 16, 2023 at 12:13 pm

      @Betty Cracker: OMG it looks like he’s rearing back to bite someone. 🤮

      Also, too, as someone born in western PA and who lives in NEOhio, he can keep his filthy mouth to himself about our values. Regrettably, most of our dangerous loons support his monstrous legislation, but yikes.

      Reply
    80. 80.

      Jinchi

      May 16, 2023 at 12:14 pm

      @Greg: One possible way to fight those “moms” is to protest every movie that has any mention of family.

      That tactic doesn’t work.  It simply tees up the ball for more “both sides” commentary.

      Better to shame the god-botherers who keep ruining everybody’s day. I guarantee the majority of parents in that class wish that mother would shut her damn mouth and I expect her kid is getting a lot of hostile glares from the other students today.

      The best counter is for the mass of parents to back up their teacher and show publicly that she has the support of the community.

      Reply
    81. 81.

      Chief Oshkosh

      May 16, 2023 at 12:15 pm

      @Baud:

      I’ve never gotten into Westerns as movies or music.

      Western Swing and Country Jazz are pretty cool (and fun – give a listen to George Barnes Quartet playing the Flinstones theme).

      But other C/W? Awful.

      “We gots all kinds of music — Country AND Western!” :)

      Reply
    82. 82.

      Salty Sam

      May 16, 2023 at 12:16 pm

      @Marmot: Nice to see Austin’s (positive) influence put to work!

      After over a quarter century, I’d just as soon see Austin’s “Keep Austin Weird” logo go away.  It was a good effort then, but has failed miserably (IMHO).  I agree with the graffiti I saw posted on a Mopac overpass a few weeks ago:  “When “Keep Austin Weird” is printed on bumper stickers by the Chamber of Commerce, it is the very antithesis of weird…”

      Maybe Florida can make it work better.

      Reply
    83. 83.

      wutdaFalk?!

      May 16, 2023 at 12:16 pm

      When I think of people like Ms. Rodriguez and her ilk  I think we need to hit them where it hurts.  The pocketbook.    she does  run an auto repair business https://dcaar.com/

      Reply
    84. 84.

      geg6

      May 16, 2023 at 12:17 pm

      He knows nothing of Western PA or the people here.  He’s a disgusting bully and would have had his ass kicked every day at my high school for being who he is.  His fucking grandfather lived here.  He never did.  He knows nothing.

      Reply
    85. 85.

      Betty Cracker

      May 16, 2023 at 12:18 pm

      @patrick II: Agreed. Poor kids.

      Reply
    86. 86.

      Steeplejack

      May 16, 2023 at 12:19 pm

      @zhena gogolia:

      My man! Great trailer: “When the blood flames hot with the zest of youth!”

      Reply
    87. 87.

      SiubhanDuinne

      May 16, 2023 at 12:21 pm

      @Steeplejack:

      “Oozing charm from every pore,

      He oiled his way around the floor.”

      Reply
    88. 88.

      zhena gogolia

      May 16, 2023 at 12:21 pm

      @Steeplejack: Love it! 1932 beefcake in that striped swimsuit!

      Reply
    89. 89.

      There go two miscreants

      May 16, 2023 at 12:23 pm

      @Steeplejack: ​

      Best comment: “The charisma positively oozes from this man.”

      …like pus from a lanced boil!

      Reply
    90. 90.

      FelonyGovt

      May 16, 2023 at 12:24 pm

      Someone may have already posted this, from this morning’s Los Angeles Times: Florida moms fight book banning fighthttps://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2023-05-15/florida-book-banning

      Reply
    91. 91.

      BlueGuitarist

      May 16, 2023 at 12:24 pm

      @catclub:

      Ennio Morricone who wrote the music for The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly, and a lot of other westerns, scored many other films including The Mission and Gillo Pontecorvo’s Burn! a brilliant, challenging film

      impressive Hammond organ for Abolição (abolition). (One word title for film, one word for song title, the only word in song lyrics.)

      Marlon Brando called Burn! his best acting despite conflicts with Pontecorvo while making the film: slave revolt, critique of colonialism, imperialism, counterinsurgency warfare, napalm. some gruesome violence, only one word spoken by a woman in the film (bread), woman refuses to speak.

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    92. 92.

      UncleEbeneezer

      May 16, 2023 at 12:25 pm

      @Chief Oshkosh: Julian Lage is a phenom guitarist who plays instrumental jazz that has a big country influence.  Here’s one of his tunes, Whatever You Say Henry for a taste.  And a lovely cover of Call of the Canyon.  I don’t really get into most C/W but I love shit like this, so I think it’s the sort of Country that even people who don’t really like Country might dig.

      Reply
    93. 93.

      oatler

      May 16, 2023 at 12:26 pm

      @SiubhanDuinne:
      But still he fluttered pulses when he said,
      “Good-morning,” and he glittered when he walked.
       

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    94. 94.

      Chief Oshkosh

      May 16, 2023 at 12:27 pm

      @Low Key Swagger: It’s essentially The Godfather or The Sopranos or Succession in Big Sky Country.

      Except…

      It’s incredibly poorly-written. Individual scenes are sometimes well-done, with great writing, acting, and direction. But this rarely lasts through an entire episode, and certainly not through a season. Admittedly, the good bits were very good, and held my attention for a few seasons, but when the producers/writers started rehabilitating every single character, way out of character, and when long-developed storylines were just dropped with no resolution, I moved on.

      Costner was the most reliable component. He could’ve been replaced by a mannequin at any point in the series, and nothing would have changed. Dead-nuts reliable. The guy is just an awful actor at this point, with a range from Y to Z (and I loved him in Bull Durham, DWW, The Postman, and other movies).

      Reply
    95. 95.

      Ruckus

      May 16, 2023 at 12:29 pm

      @Betty Cracker:

      A valuable lesson is to teach what isn’t good behavior, what isn’t good humanity. Little ronnie is a perfect example of both. Not everyone will get the real lesson, in the world everyone has a place and some get misplaced and like him think that their place is the top of the pile. And he really does think his place is the top of the pile, but he’s picked the wrong pile to climb up on. He wants to be top shit, he’s proved that by working towards that with every fiber of his being. My outlook on life is to work to at least not to be top shit. The goal is not to be shit at all but then humanity accepts shit as a part of life. A smelly not so nice part but a necessary part, none the less. Some seem to see their goal in life to be top shit, the smelliest, nastiest shit. And ronnie, while shit, isn’t near the top of that pile. He’s just that small pile that a puppy leaves in the hallway on the way to the bathroom that you step in barefoot, at 3am, disgusting, smelly and gooey.

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    96. 96.

      raven

      May 16, 2023 at 12:29 pm

      Drunk driver in Colorado tries to switch seats with his dog!

      Reply
    97. 97.

      schrodingers_cat

      May 16, 2023 at 12:29 pm

      @Baud: I have only watched a few spaghetti westerns and Unforgiven. And I thought they were okayish.

      Have you watched Ramesh Sippy’s Sholay (which is like a loose adaption of the Western genre but set in India)? It is pretty awesome. It launched many careers and changed the course of the Hindi film industry.

      Reply
    98. 98.

      PaulWartenberg

      May 16, 2023 at 12:30 pm

      Son of a bitch DeSantis grew up in Dunedin FL, home to bagpipes, biker bars, bad seafood, Phillies spring trainings, and drag racing Curlew Rd at 2 AM in the mornings. For him to reject all of that is to reject that part of Florida that made us fun.

      <—proud and loud Boy From the Harb (Palm Harbor) and graduate of Tarpon Springs High. SPONGERS REPRESENT.

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    99. 99.

      Steeplejack

      May 16, 2023 at 12:31 pm

      @Chief Oshkosh:

      George Barnes Quartet, “Theme from The Flintstones.”

      Reply
    100. 100.

      PaulWartenberg

      May 16, 2023 at 12:33 pm

      @Betty Cracker:

      It’s been established fact since 2012 that they have to teach Republicans to FAKE human empathy. It’s like that moment in Star Trek The Next Generation movie where Data’s newly-installed emotion chip freaks out and he laughs himself into a breakdown.

      Reply
    101. 101.

      Dorothy A. Winsor

      May 16, 2023 at 12:35 pm

      I can’t see how “don’t say gay” even works. What do you do with the kid who has two moms? Tell him to stuff it? Tell the parents they’re not welcome at teacher conferences?

      Reply
    102. 102.

      Roger Moore

      May 16, 2023 at 12:35 pm

      @Sure Lurkalot:

      That DeSantis quote of being raised in Tampa but his upbringing was culturally rust belt is so much bullshit.

      It’s also incredibly insulting.  It’s contemptuous toward native Floridians, which seems like a really bad approach to politics.  I guess he’s decided he’s termed out of office, so he can go ahead and piss off his constituents without consequences.  Something tells me it’s not going to work out so well when the Florida primary rolls around.

      Reply
    103. 103.

      Baud

      May 16, 2023 at 12:36 pm

      @schrodingers_cat:

      Is that the one with the guy with no arms? If so, I saw it a long time ago.

      Reply
    104. 104.

      Baud

      May 16, 2023 at 12:37 pm

      @Roger Moore:

      Eh, Trump called Iowa losers after he lost to Cruz in the primary and Iowa didn’t care.

      Reply
    105. 105.

      E.

      May 16, 2023 at 12:38 pm

      @UncleEbeneezer: Idaho is loaded with Southern place names. I lived in Dixie for awhile. Atlanta was down the road a ways.

      Reply
    106. 106.

      Manyakitty

      May 16, 2023 at 12:38 pm

      @PaulWartenberg: Tarpon Springs and Dunedin are the places my parents and I visit the most when I go down there.

      Reply
    107. 107.

      Ksmiami

      May 16, 2023 at 12:39 pm

      @Low Key Swagger: Agreed. Wind River is a better representation of the new old west Wyoming

      Reply
    108. 108.

      Raven

      May 16, 2023 at 12:41 pm

      @Baud: Try “The Ballad of Buster Scruggs” by the Cohen Brothers,

      Reply
    109. 109.

      Ksmiami

      May 16, 2023 at 12:41 pm

      @Dorothy A. Winsor: use the term love… let them try to ban it. Because doesn’t this all come down to love?

      Reply
    110. 110.

      Roger Moore

      May 16, 2023 at 12:42 pm

      @Anoniminous:

      Not a surprise to anyone who hasn’t been brain damaged by Conservativism.

      I’m not quite sure about that.  The law of supply and demand would seem to imply that raising the cost of labor will result in reduced demand, which convinces people whose economics knowledge stops with the absolute basics.  Sadly, that includes a lot of people of all political stripes.  It also shows the benefits of including some macroeconomics in Ec101.

      Reply
    111. 111.

      Raven

      May 16, 2023 at 12:44 pm

      @Ksmiami: Heartland with and Conchata Ferrell and Rip Torn is awesome. Widowed Elinor Randall and her young daughter Jerrine arrive in a barren stretch of Wyoming in 1910 after Elinor’s application for work as a housekeeper is accepted by Clyde Stewart, a rancher. The work is back-breaking and the isolation is brutal, particularly as winter arrives. Elinor begins to think about homesteading her own property near Stewart’s ranch, but Stewart tries to dissuade her with explanations about the killing conditions and poor rewards, especially for a woman with no man to help her ranch. Although their temperaments are different and little affection exists, Elinor and Stewart agree to marry and combine homesteads. What lies ahead is the severest test of all.

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    112. 112.

      Roger Moore

      May 16, 2023 at 12:47 pm

      @Roberto el oso:

      hell, I even liked ‘The Postman’

      I really wanted to like it, but it definitely falls into the category of the book being much better.  I think it would be interesting to try to revive it as a prestige TV show.  There’s a ton of interesting stuff in the book that just got thrown away to keep the movie to a reasonable runtime, which seems like the kind of thing you could touch on with a good TV series.  Also, too, the politics seems like something that is even more relevant today than it was back in the 1980s.

      Reply
    113. 113.

      Geminid

      May 16, 2023 at 12:48 pm

      @BlueGuitarist: The news site Florida Politics is a good source for news about today’s elections in that state. Their daily “Sunburn” feature this morning led with a report on the Jacksonville Mayoral race. Evidently the Democrat, Ms. Deegan, is getting endorsements from some prominent Republicans; her opponent, they say, is running a dirty campaign. It sounds like he’s appealing to white nationalists as well.

      In other election news, final results for Sunday’s election in Turkiye show Erdogan with 49.5% and Kilicdaroglu with 44.96%. Third place finisher Sinan Ogan got 5.19%. Turnout was 86.9% of eligible voters! There will be a runoff between Erdogan and Kilicdaroglu May 28.

      Reply
    114. 114.

      Ksmiami

      May 16, 2023 at 12:51 pm

      @Raven: I’ll check it out- thx!

      Reply
    115. 115.

      UncleEbeneezer

      May 16, 2023 at 12:52 pm

      @schrodingers_cat: I highly recommend the 6-part series Godless on Netflix.  It’s the rare Western that actually centers bad-ass women characters.  It’s by some of the same team that did The Queen’s Gambit so it has a similar feminist vibe and even some of the cast-members you may recognize.  It’s also filmed near Taos, New Mexico and has absolutely stunning cinematography.  Michelle Dockery and Merritt Weaver are both much better than I ever would have imagined and Jeff Daniels delivers a really amazing performance despite playing a truly odious character.

      Reply
    116. 116.

      zhena gogolia

      May 16, 2023 at 12:52 pm

      @Ksmiami: It’s a great film.

      Reply
    117. 117.

      Roberto el oso

      May 16, 2023 at 12:53 pm

      @BlueGuitarist: agree! Every time someone mentions “Battle of Algiers” I always put a plug in for ‘Burn!’

      Reply
    118. 118.

      Roger Moore

      May 16, 2023 at 12:54 pm

      @Amir Khalid:

      Everyone here needs to get this right: When she was FLOTUS, she was Jackie Kennedy. She didn’t become Jackie O until she married that rich Greek guy years later.

      Yes, Mr. Pedant.  On a practical level, though, this is exactly what you need to combat when dealing with conservatives.  Their worldview is built around their nostalgic memories of the past rather than a realistic historical perspective.

      Reply
    119. 119.

      UncleEbeneezer

      May 16, 2023 at 12:54 pm

      @E.: The Eastern Sierra in Southern/Central California have the Alabama Hills which are named after a Confederate warship, grrrrr…..

      Reply
    120. 120.

      rikyrah

      May 16, 2023 at 12:56 pm

      The parent signed the phucking permission slip😠😠😠

      Reply
    121. 121.

      rikyrah

      May 16, 2023 at 12:57 pm

       

      Halle singing at Disneyland!
      Really, A Star Is Born👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

      https://vm.tiktok.com/ZTRKveyKv/

      Reply
    122. 122.

      OGLiberal

      May 16, 2023 at 1:02 pm

      It seems to me like Florida is the opposite of some of the other former Confederate states.  Lots of younger professional types re-locating to states Viriginia, North Carolina and Georgia – VA is pretty much blue already, NC in the middle with slight leans left or right depending on the year, and GA showing bright signs with two Democratic senators.  A bit of this in Texas as well – just not reflected yet in statewide offices.  But with Florida, it seems like it’s getting crazier because of migrants from up North…not just from “western Pennsylvania and northeast Ohio” but also the worst of the older white people from places like Long Island, Staten Island, NJ, New England, the Detroit and Chicago suburbs, etc.  Basically, the Villages crew.

      Reply
    123. 123.

      E.

      May 16, 2023 at 1:02 pm

      @UncleEbeneezer: Highway 99 was designated the Jefferson Davis Memorial Highway and even had a big bronze plaque at the first exit in California near the Oregon border. I used to stop and pee on it. Someone took it after the George Floyd murder. Also the “State” of Jefferson was named by miners of Southern descent. They didn’t mean Thomas.

      Reply
    124. 124.

      Roger Moore

      May 16, 2023 at 1:03 pm

      @Dorothy A. Winsor:

      What do you do with the kid who has two moms? Tell him to stuff it? Tell the parents they’re not welcome at teacher conferences?

      They’re working on it.  Pretty soon, you’ll be able to call CPS and have him taken away from such a dangerous environment in which to raise a child.

      Reply
    125. 125.

      sdhays

      May 16, 2023 at 1:04 pm

      I just need to say that whenever I hear someone say they are “God fearing”, it’s rarely wrong to assume that they don’t fear “God” at all.  They don’t believe in “God” any more than any random atheist, because they don’t worry, ever, about what “God” might think of whatever it is they’re doing/want to to. If you’re sure that “God” approves of whatever you do, you really aren’t worried about being wrong.

      To them, “God” is nothing more than a cudgel with which to make other people fear the speaker (and their tribe).

      Reply
    126. 126.

      cain

      May 16, 2023 at 1:04 pm

      @OGLiberal: the good news is that they are leaving the other states and so there is more room for liberalization there. :-) Centralizing the crazy might be good thing.

      That said, the state has a lot of challenges and I also expect a lot of people moving out of there especially with climate change, rising prices and so on. I’m not even sure the people coming from up north will be able to afford things – but then maybe they’ll just rent.

      Reply
    127. 127.

      Chief Oshkosh

      May 16, 2023 at 1:04 pm

      @UncleEbeneezer: Cool – thanks! Lage reminds me of Bill Frisell, especially “Listen” from his album “The Intercontinentals.”

      Reply
    128. 128.

      Roger Moore

      May 16, 2023 at 1:05 pm

      @Ksmiami:

      Wind River is a better representation of the new old west Wyoming

      I really wanted to like that movie, but it wouldn’t let me.  It’s classic Hollywood Whitewashing.  How can you have a movie that’s supposed to be about how easily Native women disappear and are murdered and have all the major characters be White?

      Reply
    129. 129.

      Ken

      May 16, 2023 at 1:12 pm

      @Jinchi: her kid is getting a lot of hostile glares from the other students today.

      Wait until the school bans all movies to avoid trouble, and the kids who have finished their tests get to sit at their desks staring into space.

      Reply
    130. 130.

      UncleEbeneezer

      May 16, 2023 at 1:16 pm

       

      @Chief Oshkosh: Here he is playing WITH Bill Frissell :)

      Reply
    131. 131.

      Chief Oshkosh

      May 16, 2023 at 1:16 pm

      @Steeplejack:

      George Barnes Quartet, “Theme from The Flintstones.”

      Finest kind! Mix that in with some Barney Kessel for California Cool and you’ve got quite an afternoon goin’.

      https://youtu.be/91bljoeov0U

      Reply
    132. 132.

      Jackie

      May 16, 2023 at 1:17 pm

      @Ken: Yup. When we got our assignments done early, we were allowed to read one of our library books.     Oh, wait…

      Reply
    133. 133.

      UncleEbeneezer

      May 16, 2023 at 1:17 pm

      The truth is, the morality police were playing the long game for decades while the rest of us lounged on the beach. Those who sat on the sidelines let this happen, and unless they get off their duffs and help reclaim what we had, it will stay lost.

      Yup.  There was a tweet yesterday:

      This is so interesting. An article by anti-trans campaigner Brendan O’Neil. Swap ‘gay’ for ‘trans’ in 2023, and it’s word for word what he does now.

      And of course, we can swap ‘gay’ for ‘black’ and it is almost verbatim the language used in the 1950’s to spread fear about school integration. Fortunately, people are finally starting to recognize that it’s always the same playbook and that we need to really listen when more marginalized groups raise the alarm because it’s never just about this group or that group; the goal is always to expand the attacks to most/all of us.

      Reply
    134. 134.

      Chief Oshkosh

      May 16, 2023 at 1:18 pm

      @UncleEbeneezer: Dang! Thanks for the link. Welp, there goes any productivity for the afternoon. At least I don’t keep cocktail mixings here in the office…anymore.

      Reply
    135. 135.

      UncleEbeneezer

      May 16, 2023 at 1:19 pm

      Nikole Hannah Jones with a Florida reminder:

      Many of y’all do not seem to know that Florida has always been a Deep South state with a long, torrid history of suppressing its Black population and democracy with breathtaking acts of terrorism. This Pulitzer Prize-winning book just touches the surface.

      Think about Rosewood. Think about the Klan murdersof Henry and Harriette Moore in 1951. Think of Willis McCall, open racist and segregationist, who tortured young Black men falsely accused of rape and killed one in 1949 and yet still would be re-elected to sheriff until 1972.

      Reply
    136. 136.

      UncleEbeneezer

      May 16, 2023 at 1:20 pm

      @Chief Oshkosh: It’s great listening music for working if you turn off the video.  And Lage’s whole album Modern Lore has a bunch of Country-ish tunes.  It’s probably my fave of all his recordings.  I also have some videos on my own YT channel from a show I attended a couple years ago.

      Reply
    137. 137.

      Frankensteinbeck

      May 16, 2023 at 1:22 pm

      @sdhays:

      To them, “God” is nothing more than a cudgel with which to make other people fear the speaker

      “God” is a magic word that makes them right and everyone else wrong, case closed.  As such they love to say it as much as possible.  White American evangelical Christianity’s (I know bupkis about black evangelical Christianity) explicit doctrine is that the words “God” and “Jesus” are moral “I win” buttons and nothing else matters.

      Reply
    138. 138.

      kindness

      May 16, 2023 at 1:23 pm

      Getting the poor to vote would be a good thing everywhere.

      Reply
    139. 139.

      trollhattan

      May 16, 2023 at 1:23 pm

      @Low Key Swagger: You get at my issues with the show. It’s incredibly simplistic at its core and even though the murdering ranchers murder their way out of every problem confronting them we’re supposed to root for them because California and New York.

      Never mind the biggest threats to Montana and their “way of life” spring from Texas. Them are some proper cowboys down there, yup.

      ETA and yeah holy shit, the product placement. So much product placement.

      Reply
    140. 140.

      Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg

      May 16, 2023 at 1:25 pm

      I just had a brilliant idea – Florida Man and Florida Woman.

      They can dress in the traditional accoutrements of Florida Man/Florida Woman (dirty tshirts, wearing crocs and sweatpants while carrying a Steel Reserve can) and heckle the fascists and fundamentalist candyass candidates and public officials at events on behalf of a grateful Florida and Nation.

      ”We Want Our Florida Back” can be the slogan. It’ll catch on, and people will be dressing out for it.

      Reply
    141. 141.

      Jay

      May 16, 2023 at 1:26 pm

      @MisterForkbeard:

      No cape, have you never seen The Incredibles?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M68ndaZSKa8

      Reply
    142. 142.

      The Thin Black Duke

      May 16, 2023 at 1:28 pm

      Posse is a great western.

      https://youtu.be/1D-v8EcGV2Q

      Reply
    143. 143.

      Bostondreams

      May 16, 2023 at 1:29 pm

      @Dorothy A. Winsor: In all seriousness, teachers are no longer asking students about their families because it could get them in trouble.

      Reply
    144. 144.

      trollhattan

      May 16, 2023 at 1:30 pm

      @raven: Heh.

      I used to have a postcard bought from the rack that always included the jackalope postcards, captioned “Colorado double-date” with a picture taken from behind a pickup with two hatted dudes and two Labs in the cab.

      At the time a buddy lived there, Texas tightened their open container law from no law at all to state the driver could not be in possession of one while under way. Many discussions sprang forth on how you’d now always need a buddy along to hold your beer and whether your dog could suffice.

      Reply
    145. 145.

      Soprano2

      May 16, 2023 at 1:35 pm

      My city makes the news yet again, this time for punishing a student who exposed a teacher who said the “n” word in class multiple times, in that “why can they say it but I can’t” type of way. Note that the student has been identified by name, but the teacher is still anonymous ( I could find out who it is, I know a math teacher at that school!)

      A Missouri student has been suspended after filming her white geometry teacher using a racial slur in the middle of class. Now, the girl and her family are calling for the school to reverse the punishment and apologize.

      Mary Walton, a 15-year-old student at Glendale High School in Springfield, was informed on Friday morning that she was being reprimanded after recording her teacher using the N-word in class.

      “She’s still processing everything, and she doesn’t understand what she did wrong,” Mary’s attorney, Natalie Hull, told The Daily Beast on Monday.

      According to local outlet NBC 5 St. Louis, the teacher, who has not been identified, was placed on administrative leave immediately after using the slur on Tuesday. In a Monday statement to The Daily Beast, Springfield Public Schools said the teacher was “no longer employed” by the district.

      Reply
    146. 146.

      Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg

      May 16, 2023 at 1:37 pm

      @Chief Oshkosh:

      I can’t help but say that Tin Cup is one of my favorite movies.

      Reply
    147. 147.

      Chief Oshkosh

      May 16, 2023 at 1:39 pm

      @Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg: Ha! I forgot about that one. Yep, I enjoyed it.

      Reply
    148. 148.

      Cameron

      May 16, 2023 at 1:39 pm

      @Steeplejack: Now if they had said “drips” instead of “oozes,” you’d know it was pudding, not charisma.

      Reply
    149. 149.

      Betty Cracker

      May 16, 2023 at 1:39 pm

      @Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg: Seriously — that could work! ;-)

      Reply
    150. 150.

      Chief Oshkosh

      May 16, 2023 at 1:40 pm

      @UncleEbeneezer: I’ve never been too good about keeping focus with music in the background – this stuff is just too fun.

      Reply
    151. 151.

      UncleEbeneezer

      May 16, 2023 at 1:44 pm

      When I saw “Strange World” in the post title, my mind immediately went to this scene from Blue Velvet.  As much as David Lynch tends to be wildly over-praised, this one is example of how when he nails it he really has a special talent.  Note the church music composed by Angelo Badalamenti who died last year, and the way that the cathedral light through the car’s window makes a halo on Laura Dern and makes her look like something our of a classical religious painting.

      Reply
    152. 152.

      Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg

      May 16, 2023 at 1:46 pm

      @Soprano2:

      Impossible! John Roberts has proclaimed that racism in America is over.

      Reply
    153. 153.

      Jim, Foolish Literalist

      May 16, 2023 at 1:47 pm

      @Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg:

      @Betty Cracker:

      they kinda did that on 30 Rock with Unwindulax.  Amy Sedaris would definitely have to be involved

      Reply
    154. 154.

      geg6

      May 16, 2023 at 1:49 pm

      @Baud:

      Come sit by me.

      Reply
    155. 155.

      Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg

      May 16, 2023 at 1:50 pm

      @Betty Cracker:

      I also picture hijinks, like rerouting swamp water into the clean water lines at the Villages two days before Election Day, stuffing roadkilled armadillos into nooksin the Governor’s podium the morning before he speaks at an outdoor event, flirting obnoxiously with Casey DeSantis…

      Reply
    156. 156.

      Another Scott

      May 16, 2023 at 1:55 pm

      Meanwhile, anonymous posts aren’t so anonymous.

      @[email protected]:

      Paul Goldsmith-Pinkham
      @[email protected]
      🚨NEW PAPER🚨

      “Anonymity and Identity Online”

      We geolocate the majority of EJMR posters and show that posting on EJMR is wide-spread at US universities and also frequent in other organizations employing economists.

      Presentation at NBER SI (7/20/2023):
      http://www.nber.org

      The original “toot” has an image of the abstract that can be embiggened. I don’t see it at the NBER link.

      Cheers,
      Scott.

      Reply
    157. 157.

      OGLiberal

      May 16, 2023 at 1:59 pm

      @Ken: When I was in high school, many years ago, we watched Zeffirelli’s Romeo & Juliet.  I wonder if the moral police would object to that today.  Maybe not since a lot them may think that seeing a teenage boy’s bare buttocks and teenage girl’s bare breasts is A-OK…”heck, why aren’t those two married already…they’re getting old!”

      Reply
    158. 158.

      Dorothy A. Winsor

      May 16, 2023 at 2:04 pm

      If they understood was Shakespeare was saying half the time, they wouldn’t allow any of his plays. He had kind of a potty mouth.

      Reply
    159. 159.

      Citizen Alan

      May 16, 2023 at 2:05 pm

      @artem1s:  I interviewed for a career clerkship with a judge in Florida just a few months ago. It was a good interview. And yet … never before in my life have I had the experience of thinking through the entire interview “man, I really hope I don’t get offered this job, because if I do, I think I’ll have to take it and I don’t want to!”

      No offense to Betty or other Floridians, but to me, Florida at this point is just Mississippi if 75% of its borders were beaches and it had a three or four of decent sized cities that the state government hated (instead of just the one, Jackson).

      Reply
    160. 160.

      Kathleen

      May 16, 2023 at 2:08 pm

      @Betty Cracker: I thought his operating system had a meltdown.

      Reply
    161. 161.

      Old School

      May 16, 2023 at 2:10 pm

      @OGLiberal:

      When I was in high school, many years ago, we watched Zeffirelli’s Romeo & Juliet.  I wonder if the moral police would object to that today.

      When I was in high school, the teacher fast-forwarded through that scene, so I’m assuming there was potential objection those days.

      Reply
    162. 162.

      UncleEbeneezer

      May 16, 2023 at 2:11 pm

      By popular demand, we’ve made it easy to connect people who want to donate copies of The Sum of Us: Young Readers with folks at schools, libraries, and community groups in need. Need a copy? Want to donate one? Click here!

      Reply
    163. 163.

      Betsy

      May 16, 2023 at 2:13 pm

      @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Oh that old hackneyed trope!  How original journalists are — The wife of the politician as “secret weapon” !!

      She’s going to “show us his softer side” and “polish off his rough edges.”

      Apart from the cliché, the sexism:

      Can people just be accountable for themselves, please?

      Why do women always have to do the extra work for men’s shortcomings?

      When has a candidate’s husaband EVER been portrayed this way?

      But above all — If men had to stand on their own two feet, and didn’t encounter a world full of helper girls, what WOULD they do??

      Reply
    164. 164.

      Soprano2

      May 16, 2023 at 2:13 pm

      Kept meaning to share this, too – a performance of Jake Runestad’s “Please Stay“.  We sang it a couple of years ago, every time I listen to it I cry a little bit. Something to share with anyone who’s depressed and thinking bad things about themselves. We’re doing his song “Into the Light” at the Carnegie Hall concert. His pieces kind of shimmer.

      Reply
    165. 165.

      Citizen Alan

      May 16, 2023 at 2:14 pm

      @Amir Khalid:  Worst Jonathan Kent ever. He literally killed himself in order to emotionally manipulate his son out of using his powers for heroic purposes.

      Also, my single biggest problem with Superman as a character is that he is completely unbelievable. Not the superpowers. I can believe that a space alien can fly and shoot lasers out of his eyes. But I find it nearly inconceivable that such an alien could be raised from infancy by wholesome white farmers from Kansas and not be a raging bigot who would spend his free time exterminating caravans from Central America and razing inner city slums to the ground.

      I don’t see how you get someone who believes in Truth and Justice out of contemporary Kansas instead of “The American Way” as envisioned by The Homelander.

      Reply
    166. 166.

      zhena gogolia

      May 16, 2023 at 2:15 pm

      @Old School: our seemingly straitlaced English teacher took us to see it on the big screen! We were thrilled!

      Reply
    167. 167.

      Soprano2

      May 16, 2023 at 2:16 pm

      *Face Palm* Now I see we made the Washington Post for punishing that student. We only ever make the national news for embarrassing stuff.

      Reply
    168. 168.

      JPL

      May 16, 2023 at 2:20 pm

      ACYN’s twitter feed is on fire today.  He’s following the hearing on DC crime.   Rep. Crockett from TX is on fire and as she says she calls them like she sees them.   She needs to be more prominent in our party.

      Here’s just one link. 

      For more of her responses follow Acyn (@Acyn) / Twitter

      Reply
    169. 169.

      Manyakitty

      May 16, 2023 at 2:21 pm

      @Betsy: look at Rudy as exhibit A 😂

      Reply
    170. 170.

      Matt McIrvin

      May 16, 2023 at 2:23 pm

      @sdhays: Among young evangelicals there’s a lot of anxiety about whether they’re really holy enough. I think they are genuinely afraid of hell.

      Reply
    171. 171.

      Jackie

      May 16, 2023 at 2:26 pm

      @JPL: She’s interviewed on various MSNBC shows pretty regularly. I like her spunk. She first came to attention in early 2022 as one of the state representatives who fled Texas to DC trying to boycott a law from being passed.

      Reply
    172. 172.

      Roger Moore

      May 16, 2023 at 2:28 pm

      @Citizen Alan:

      But I find it nearly inconceivable that such an alien could be raised from infancy by wholesome white farmers from Kansas and not be a raging bigot who would spend his free time exterminating caravans from Central America and razing inner city slums to the ground.

      This is less unbelievable than you think.  Not all White Midwestern farmers are bigots.  Bigots may outnumber decent people, but there are plenty of decent people out there.  Given that Ma and Pa Kent decided to adopt a baby who was obviously an extraterrestrial, they’re far more likely to be among the non-bigoted minority.

      Reply
    173. 173.

      Matt McIrvin

      May 16, 2023 at 2:28 pm

      @artem1s: You don’t think they’ll gain more from reactionaries deciding to go to Florida instead of somewhere else? Like the Chick-Fil-A of tourism? Or do they all go there already?

      Of course it’s complicated because they’re also convincing the same people NOT to go to Disney World, which is one of the state’s biggest draws. I’m wondering if Universal is hoping to capitalize on this just by keeping their heads down and getting the “non-woke” brand by default (and because Harry Potter is suddenly cool for conservatives now).

      Reply
    174. 174.

      Marmot

      May 16, 2023 at 2:29 pm

      @Salty Sam: Yeah, I don’t disagree really. That motto lost its power here a long time ago.

      But is Austin less cool nowadays? I feel like it is. It’s certainly less weird. But I’m not young anymore, and the olds have been saying “it was cooler back in the day” for as long as I’ve been here.

      Reply
    175. 175.

      Citizen Alan

      May 16, 2023 at 2:30 pm

      @Frankensteinbeck: I’ve taken the position that white evangelicals worship Satan but are to ignorant and Bible-illiterate to realize it. “Whited sepulchers” is what Jesus would have called them.

      Reply
    176. 176.

      Ramona

      May 16, 2023 at 2:34 pm

      @schrodingers_cat: Maine aapka namak khaya…

      Reply
    177. 177.

      Jager

      May 16, 2023 at 2:34 pm

      @oatler:

      My brother-in-law grew up on a huge ranch and knows the business of raising and breeding cattle, etc. He thinks Yellowstone is ridiculous. He said, let’s start with the entire cast in jeans, t-shirts, and regular shirts and Costner has a goddamn Carhart jacket on in the heat of summer. number two he was a partner in one of the top Angus Bulls in the world and he never saw anybody in a tux at a cattle sale.

      Reply
    178. 178.

      Citizen Alan

      May 16, 2023 at 2:35 pm

      @Roger Moore:  I’m somewhat amused by the head-canon that Jonathan and Martha Kent are actually hippie farmers who moved to Smallville from California in their early twenties to do organic farming and that’s how Clark grew up to be the utterly decent and fair-minded Superman we all know and love.

      Reply
    179. 179.

      lowtechcyclist

      May 16, 2023 at 2:38 pm

      “I was geographically raised in Tampa Bay,” DeSantis writes

      So is DeSantis an aquatic mammal, or some sort of reptile?  Fishing for an answer here. ;-)

      Reply
    180. 180.

      Omnes Omnibus

      May 16, 2023 at 2:38 pm

      @Citizen Alan: You grew up in Mississippi, right?  You aren’t a racist POS, right?  Why can’t that happen in Kansas?  Just saying…

      Reply
    181. 181.

      schrodingers_cat

      May 16, 2023 at 2:40 pm

      @Baud: Yes indeed.

      कितने आदमी थे ?

      Reply
    182. 182.

      Jeffro

      May 16, 2023 at 2:40 pm

      @Amir Khalid: apologies

      also, Casey DeSantis is no Jackie Kennedy OR Jackie O

      “stop trying to make capes happen, Casey!”

      Reply
    183. 183.

      schrodingers_cat

      May 16, 2023 at 2:41 pm

      @Ramona: Indeed!

      Reply
    184. 184.

      lowtechcyclist

      May 16, 2023 at 2:42 pm

      @Citizen Alan:

      But I find it nearly inconceivable that such an alien could be raised from infancy by wholesome white farmers from Kansas and not be a raging bigot who would spend his free time exterminating caravans from Central America and razing inner city slums to the ground.

      My cousins were raised by wholesome white ranchers in rural Cowley County, Kansas, and somehow didn’t become raging bigots.  So it’s not beyond the realm of possibility.

      Reply
    185. 185.

      There go two miscreants

      May 16, 2023 at 2:45 pm

      @lowtechcyclist: ​toxic algae bloom.

      Reply
    186. 186.

      trollhattan

      May 16, 2023 at 2:45 pm

      @lowtechcyclist: Heh. My thought went from piscine to “geographically raised” meaning he had a globe for a daddy and an atlas for a mommy.

      And yet turned out dumb.

      Reply
    187. 187.

      Roger Moore

      May 16, 2023 at 2:48 pm

      @Citizen Alan:

      I also think Superman being superhuman has something to do with it.  Our human differences are pretty minor compared to the difference between any human and a Kryptonian.  As long as he’s decent enough not to see himself as deserving to rule because he’s better than the rest of us, he probably wouldn’t see our racial and ethnic differences as significant.

      Reply
    188. 188.

      Steve in the ATL

      May 16, 2023 at 2:49 pm

      @Jim, Foolish Literalist: ​
       180 comments in the thread and no one has said “Gretchen, stop trying to make Casey DeSantis happen! It’s not going to happen!”

      Balloon Juice is going to hell….

      Reply
    189. 189.

      JPL

      May 16, 2023 at 2:53 pm

      @Steve in the ATL:   Jeffro at 182 is close enough.   just sayin

      Reply
    190. 190.

      eclare

      May 16, 2023 at 2:55 pm

      @Steeplejack:

      Don’t forget Pandora’s Box.

      Reply
    191. 191.

      Cameron

      May 16, 2023 at 2:56 pm

      @lowtechcyclist: …washed in on the red tide….a turtle that had been genetically modified by exposure to the Deepwater Horizon spill….

      Reply
    192. 192.

      Steve in the ATL

      May 16, 2023 at 2:58 pm

      @JPL: ​
       yes indeed, though it wasn’t there when I posted my comment!

      Confidential to Jeffro: nice work!

      Reply
    193. 193.

      Jerszy

      May 16, 2023 at 3:10 pm

      Y’know, in all the controversy & ink spilled over Yellowstone, I’ve never seen the *contemporary* rape that the show enables addressed anywhere.

       

      This show was tied to Taylor Sheridan’s directorial debut, “Wind River” – an excellent film. Unfortunately, its distribution rights were sold to The Weinstein Company, and it was the last hit that company had before Harvey was exposed as the demonic force he was.  The right to distribute “Wind River” contained a subsidiary right: the right to executive produce, finance, & distribute (or arrange for distribution of) Taylor Sheridan’s next project.

       

      Well, Weinstein’s CEO (known as “third Weinstein Brother”) arranged to “sell off” that ‘next project’ right to a bogus “third party”, with an understanding that it would get conveyed back to his next company. Then Sheridan sold his show to the Paramount channel, with a guaranteed season sold. THEN the Weinstein CEO’s lawyers came forward with the “producer right”, and they were able to sleaze into producer position in name only, with zero input on anything creatively, and “finance” a tv project with the rare luxury of zero risk in the lending, and a nice vig on top for providing the sure-investment money for it.  They also get the same sweetheart deal on all spin-offs.

       

      The important gist to this scheme is this: The “Yellowstone” franchise empire should have deservedly been the sweetest, most lucrative plum in the Weinstein Company estate, and should have rightfully gone into the pot to pay HARVEY’S VICTIMS.  Instead, some sleazebags have gamed the system and raped these women a second time while unjustly enriching themselves. And the viewers are (unwittingly) supporting this crime.

      Reply
    194. 194.

      Chief Oshkosh

      May 16, 2023 at 3:10 pm

      @Citizen Alan: Dude, take a deep breath. Please consider that contemporary Kansas is a lot different than when Superman was originally conceived in the 1930s. Heck, probably there were still Kansas free staters still living when Superman premiered. Parts of Kansas were progressive, populist, and liberal, and recognized as such nationally. It’s quite believable that there were Woody Guthrie-like populist/progressive farmers living in Kansas in the 1910-1930s era, when Superman would’ve been raised by the Clarks.

      Reply
    195. 195.

      RaflW

      May 16, 2023 at 3:11 pm

      Really interesting read recently about a school district in the hills west of Denver that is figuring out if they want the rabidly right-wing school board they elected last year. This whole “Mom’s for liberty” (in which the definition of liberty is — to my eyes — indecipherable from authoritarian lock-step-ism) thing is happening all over the country, and a serious menace.

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      CaseyL

      May 16, 2023 at 3:16 pm

      @Citizen Alan: If you don’t already know, there are any number of “Alternate Superman” stories/books, asking “What if…” he had been found and reared in other countries/cultures.

      I think there’s one where he was raised in the USSR and became quite a devoted enforcer of Stalinism.

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      Chief Oshkosh

      May 16, 2023 at 3:20 pm

      @Chief Oshkosh: And there still are progressive/populist/liberal farmers in Kansas! I don’t mean to imply otherwise!

      Sadly, as with many states (NC, WI, OH, others), the conservative state legislature has been very successful in FUCKING EVERYTHING UP, including gerrymandering the hell out of the place.

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      Ken

      May 16, 2023 at 3:21 pm

      @Cameron: Deep One hybrid seems plausible, what with that video of him unhinging his jaw.

      Reply
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      Tony Jay

      May 16, 2023 at 3:25 pm

      @Citizen Alan:

      Apart from there being plenty of decent people in Kansas amidst whose number the Kent’s could be included, young Clark also spent a chunk of his teenage years in the 30th century seeing firsthand what a futuristic, multi-racial society would look like.

      OTOH, before he morphed into the Big Blue Boy Scout, Superman was infamously a complete and utter dick to just about everybody, so there’s that.

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      AlaskaReader

      May 16, 2023 at 3:25 pm

      @cain: As if a classical conservative is not an asshat…

      Reply
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      eversor

      May 16, 2023 at 3:31 pm

      @cain:

      They know about the generational issue.  Which is why all the hand wringing over the younger generations not only not being Christian but being actively hostile to it.

      The catch is if you look at the National Conservatism manifesto it boils down to “if people have democracy and rights they won’t choose Christianity, so we need a Franco to enforce Christianity” and that’s the goal.   Get an autocrat and use the power of the state to re-Christianize the entire nation by indoctrinating children and deny rights and benefits to non Christians or people who do things like get a divorce, be gay, live together not married, or slip from the Christ demanded gender/patriarchy/heirarchy.   Along with taxing those outside of Christianity to pay for benefits for traditional Christian families who of course just get handouts and no money.

      It’s a plan to create two classes of people, Christians who are citizens and then people who exist to be taxed to provide for Christians and who’s behavior and actions are criminalized and have no way to vote themselves out of it.  There’s a logic to this.  First it would indoctrinate all kids with school prayers, government prayers, Christian education from the ground up.  Second a lot of people will simply “find the faith” just so as not to be a second class citizen or die in the streets.   Third even people that are utterly against it will simply never do anything in public that could offend a Christian so all those behaviors will be supressed, or simply go underground depending on peoples appetite for risk.

      This is actively being planned and put into place which is why Dreher, Tucker, Vermule, Ahmari, and all these others keep taking trips to Europe where they bassically plot with foreign nationals on how to pull it off.  It’s why Orban and Putin banging the Bible all the time.  It’s also well funded.  If you wonder why someone like Peter Theil would be down for this well they aren’t going to tax him, they are going after working class single moms and couples that shack up and don’t go to church.  The welfare state is also going away for a ton of people who won’t have any sort of workers rights at all.   Rich people didn’t dream this up, Christians did, but it’s a sweet deal for the rich so they jumped into it.

      It’s actually a flawless, and legal, way for them to get what they want and don’t think it won’t make it through the courts and after it will be to late to do anything.  And since we aren’t willing to go after Christianity as the greatest threat we face we are aiding them each step of the way and might as well be chearing for it.  It’s only flaw is that Orban and Putin are cynical manipulators and implemented these policies for foreign Christian consumption to cause chaos and break other states, not because they thought they would take off at home.

      If we avoid this it will because the right screws it up, not getting out the vote, and as long as we have Christianity it’s a matter of when, not if we end up there.

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      cain

      May 16, 2023 at 3:32 pm

      @Old School: half the class is probably sexually active.

      Reply
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      CapnMubbers

      May 16, 2023 at 3:34 pm

      @Kelly: Same here. I relocated to the St. George area after the Paradise fire.  Pioneer Day and statues of the enterprising Mormon settlers in “historical” settings promote the empty land myth. There was a huge outcry when Dixie State changed its name to Utah Tech last year due to consideration of people other than straight White, Christian hard-working residents. (This corner of southwestern Utah was “settled” by Mormons and their Black slaves by direction of  Brigham Young to grow cotton. He selected many former Southerners because of their experience.)

      Reply
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      Jeffro

      May 16, 2023 at 3:34 pm

      @JPL:

      @Steve in the ATL:

      thenk yew, thenk yew!

      And for my next trick, I will note that it appears Lauren Boebert and her hubby are divorcin’.  (see @patriottakes on Twitter for more info)

      (cue video of LB lecturing women at a church to ‘chase Jesus, so that your husband will chase you chasin’ Jesus’ – no shit)

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    205. 205.

      Sean

      May 16, 2023 at 3:36 pm

      @Marmot: Agree. I feel like the weirdness of Austin has been reduced to rubble. It’s more expensive to live here than Dallas. There was a recent study showing entertainment/nightlife cost was on par with NYC. There’s nothing left here but overcrowded, overpriced venues, houses no one can afford, and those of us who have lived here long enough to hold on, slowly being priced out by the property tax increases. That and a city government that can’t govern because the state keeps ruling by fiat. I’d move on, but for work and various other reasons that’s a tough lift. It’s a drag. Maybe somewhere else will have more luck keeping it weird than we did.

      Reply
    206. 206.

      Ken

      May 16, 2023 at 3:37 pm

      @Chief Oshkosh: The Kents’ ages have varied, but they’re often portrayed as in their 40s when they find Kal-El, so they were born in the 1890s. That means their parents or grandparents had plenty of stories about “Bloody Kansas”.

      Also, they would have been adults during the 1929 crash, so saw those effects clearly. Come to think of it, it’s a bit surprising they still had the farm — many were lost in the Depression.

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      Citizen Alan

      May 16, 2023 at 3:46 pm

      @Omnes Omnibus:  True, but I am also acutely aware of what a statistical anomaly I am in terms of 53yo white guys from North Mississippi.

      Reply
    208. 208.

      Jeffro

      May 16, 2023 at 3:47 pm

      Also if anyone hasn’t read it yet, the story of Ms. Neuschafer’s recent “Golden Globe” sailing win is just amazing.

      Even more amazing: she managed to rescue a rival whose boat had sunk!!

      (Apologies if this has already been covered yesterday or earlier today!)

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    209. 209.

      Citizen Alan

      May 16, 2023 at 3:54 pm

      @Chief Oshkosh:  Oh yeah, I have no problem with a progressive Kansas-raised Superman having liberal attitudes. It’s just that in all the more modern takes, he must have been raised in “What’s the Matter with Kansas?” era Kansas. It raises a question of “What did Jonathan Kent think of Obama becoming President?” since McCain carried that state by 15%, and 4 years later, Romney won it by nearly 20%.

      Reply
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      JPL

      May 16, 2023 at 3:58 pm

      @Jeffro: Oh my!

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      Citizen Alan

      May 16, 2023 at 3:58 pm

      @CaseyL: I know. IIRC, they got John Cleese to write one where the ship landed in Britain, and he was raised by a middle class couple who taught him to never use his powers because “what would the neighbors think!”

      Reply
    212. 212.

      Matt McIrvin

      May 16, 2023 at 4:31 pm

      @Citizen Alan: They were probably inspired to get Cleese by the Monty Python bit about “Bicycle Repairman”, set in a world where everyone is Superman except for one man who has the extraordinary power to fix bicycles.

      Reply
    213. 213.

      prostratedragon

      May 16, 2023 at 4:34 pm

      What a beautiful, charming Little Mermaid! I like to take the little kid to the occasional kid’s movie, and will probably catch this one.

      Reply
    214. 214.

      Miss Bianca

      May 16, 2023 at 4:51 pm

      I started a long reply about the article I just finished about our school board shenanigans and then I tripped over the computer cord and crashed the computer and now I am just too depressed and angry and frankly still shell-shocked about how quickly things have been going south in our school district thanks to the right-wing ideologues running the joint now to be able to reconstruct the rant.

      Let’s just say I am going to keep reporting on this shit even if it kills me. It’s all I can do.

      Reply
    215. 215.

      Steeplejack

      May 16, 2023 at 5:03 pm

      @eclare:

      Another great one!

      Reply
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      WaterGirl

      May 16, 2023 at 5:09 pm

      @Baud: There was some Dolly Parton movie where someone asked her what kind of music she liked, and she replied:  “I like both kinds, country and western.”

      I remember that because it turned into a classic line because one of my friends was not fond of most vegetables – so it turned into “Ed likes both kinds of vegetables, corn and beans.”

      Reply
    217. 217.

      Manyakitty

      May 16, 2023 at 5:17 pm

      @Miss Bianca: sorry about the horrendous school board. It’s amazing how quickly the cascade of suck takes hold. Tripping on the cord like that just added insult to injury.

      How long before they get voted out?

      Reply
    218. 218.

      Old School

      May 16, 2023 at 5:23 pm

      @WaterGirl:

      There was some Dolly Parton movie where someone asked her what kind of music she liked, and she replied:  “I like both kinds, country and western.”

      It’s not Dolly Parton, but you might be thinking of The Blues Brothers.

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    219. 219.

      Miss Bianca

      May 16, 2023 at 5:29 pm

      @OverTwistWillie:

      David Milch’s Deadwood is a hard edged western classic. Makes Yellowstone look like The Big Valley.

      Love Deadwood – probably my favorite show. Have felt no desire to watch Yellowstone. At all.

      Probably because I actually *live* in the modern-day frontier West (literally – I live in a “frontier county”, demographically speaking) and I get to see the real-life non-soap-opera version of these people and…let’s just say, that series sounds like it’s made for rural Red Staters, rich transplants like Costner et co, and urban cowboy wannabes, all of whom are a little too much into buying their own hype for my taste.

      (altho’, horsies…)

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    220. 220.

      Ruckus

      May 16, 2023 at 5:34 pm

      @Jeffro:

      I used to think that this would be one of the worlds best things to at least try, sailing around the world. Then I joined the US Navy. Been way north of the Arctic Circle, down to almost the equator and crossed the Atlantic 6 times, once ending up at the St Lawrence Seaway instead of Charleston, SC. After that was over for a while I bought a sailboat. I think that cured me of any desire to sail around the world. Alone. And I like the ocean and sailing.

      Reply
    221. 221.

      Miss Bianca

      May 16, 2023 at 5:44 pm

      @Roger Moore: To say nothing of Barack Obama’s maternal grandparents – weren’t they from Kansas?

      Reply
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      Geminid

      May 16, 2023 at 5:45 pm

      @Miss Bianca: Are you familiar with North Carolina citizen-journalist Cheryl Christy Bowman? She’s been blogging about public education in her native Moore County, North Carolina since 2018.

      Last December’s substation attacks in Moore County prompted Miss Bowman to compile a history of the political radicalization of Moore County. It’s titled “Timeline of Terror” (moorevoices.net).

      Writer’s note: This is a five part series that will attempt to both lay out a detailed timeline of how Moore County became so divided and angry, and tell the stories of the people negatively impacted by the right wing takeover of the Moore County Republican Party and our elected offices. The timeline starts in 2014 and will continue into the aftermath of the terrorist attack on two of our counties electrical substations.

      ….Part Two will cover 2020-2021, and detail how the Moore County School Board became ground zero for the alt-right takeover of our county.

      Ms. Christy Bowman sees events in her County as part of a coordinated national pattern:

          What is happening in Moore County closely resembles what is happening in small, rural counties all over the country.

      Christy Bowman covers a lot of ground in these timelines, and she is a very clear and efficient writer. I think she is up to Part 3 now.

      Reply
    223. 223.

      WaterGirl

      May 16, 2023 at 5:47 pm

      @Betty Cracker: I could feel my nostrils flare as if I had just stepped in shit, barefoot.

      His human classes are not going well.  No aptitude for that “human” thing at all.

      I wonder if his skin has zippers, and we just can’t see them.

      Reply
    224. 224.

      WaterGirl

      May 16, 2023 at 5:51 pm

      @SiubhanDuinne: Something is oozing off of him, but it does not appear to be charm.

      Reply
    225. 225.

      WaterGirl

      May 16, 2023 at 5:54 pm

      @raven:

      “The dog does not face any charges and was let go with just a warning.”

      Reply
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      Miss Bianca

      May 16, 2023 at 5:54 pm

      @Geminid: I have heard you mention her and I have been meaning to look at her blog – do I just find it under her name?

      @Manyakitty: Not soon enough. I am hoping that the passage of the recent ballot issue,  to go to all at-large representation rather than have the district be carved up into wards, essentially, might have the effect of getting some more (better) candidates to step up. If we had had at-large reps in the last election, the most noxious of these pests wouldn’t have been elected and a far more reasonable, if still conservative, candidate would have prevailed. And we’d all be better off for it.

      Reply
    227. 227.

      barbequebob

      May 16, 2023 at 5:54 pm

      @WaterGirl: actually, to purists of each genre, country music and western music are two separate things. Combining the two as if one was really more a marketing thing. This is what I learned years ago from listening to Cowbow Joe’s Radio Ranch. He played “Western Music”.

      Reply
    228. 228.

      WaterGirl

      May 16, 2023 at 5:56 pm

      @The Thin Black Duke: I liked Silverado.

      Reply
    229. 229.

      WaterGirl

      May 16, 2023 at 5:57 pm

      @Another Scott: What the heck is a EJMR poster?

      Reply
    230. 230.

      WaterGirl

      May 16, 2023 at 6:03 pm

      @Citizen Alan: Which job did you end up taking?

      Reply
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      Geminid

      May 16, 2023 at 6:05 pm

      @Miss Bianca: I think moorevoices.net is Christy Bowman’s website. I found it just now by looking up her name.

      Moore County has a population of a little under 100,000. It is In southern North Carolina about two hours east of Charlotte. Cumberland County, home of Ft. Bragg and Fayetteville, is just to the east.  The Southern Pines golf complex is located in Moore County.

      Reply
    232. 232.

      WaterGirl

      May 16, 2023 at 6:08 pm

      @Old School: Apparently I remembered the line, but the not movie!  Or not. Maybe it was in 9 to 5?  I can hear her voice saying the words.

      Reply
    233. 233.

      Geminid

      May 16, 2023 at 6:23 pm

      @WaterGirl: I enjoyed the remake of Monty Walsh, with Tom Selleck and Isabella Rosselini. Lots of beautiful scenery. The story is set in Montana, around the turn of the 20th century.

      I have not seen the original done in the 1970s, that starred Lee Marvin in the title role.

      Reply
    234. 234.

      Gravie

      May 16, 2023 at 6:27 pm

      Born and raised n Florida, before it was condo-ized and colonized by the Reich Wing. There were plenty of problems to be sure, racism chief among them. But I got an excellent education and lived amid spectacular natural beauty. I am sickened by what this dour asshole has done to my home state.

      Reply
    235. 235.

      Manyakitty

      May 16, 2023 at 6:42 pm

      @Miss Bianca: good luck 🤞

      Reply
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      evodevo

      May 16, 2023 at 7:15 pm

      @Matt McIrvin: See Roll to Disbelieve blog for the story of one evangelical woman who made it out of the maelstrom..she talks about this subject a lot

      Reply
    237. 237.

      Origuy

      May 16, 2023 at 7:38 pm

      Compare the Flintstones’ theme to Beethoven’s Sonata number 17 in D minor, the “Tempest” sonata. I’ve keyed it up to where the theme starts.

      Reply
    238. 238.

      Geminid

      May 16, 2023 at 7:45 pm

      @evodevo: The blog Wartburg Watch alsohas a lot of critical reporting on various abuses of power within Evangelical churches and organizations.

      Reply
    239. 239.

      Gvg

      May 16, 2023 at 7:51 pm

      @Roger Moore: it also used to be more common when 1) right after WWII the results of bigotry were seen close up and personally by many people who came back and told their families and 2) the Midwest of my grandparents time was much more white and theoretically tolerant. By that I mean they thought they were tolerant when it wasn’t anywhere near impacting them and when they met their eventual southern son in law, they asked in genuine puzzlement how his fellow Floridians could treat negros like that….but now 70 years later Wisconsin is not so liberal anymore. The Midwest has produced some seriously nice liberals AND some raging demagogues such as McCarthy. Both popular. Both sides part of the regional culture.

      note, I’ve never lived there, all knowledge is very second hand.

      Reply
    240. 240.

      Matt McIrvin

      May 16, 2023 at 7:56 pm

      @Tony Jay: Well, the Pre-Crisis version of him did…

      Though I think they retcon all that again about once a year now so who knows what his history is now.

      Reply
    241. 241.

      MazeDancer

      May 16, 2023 at 7:57 pm

      Love the fact that Tiny D won Duval County/Jacksonville by 11 points.

      And now the mayor is a Dem. And a woman.

      Yay for Mayor Deegan!

      Reply
    242. 242.

      Matt McIrvin

      May 16, 2023 at 7:58 pm

      @Origuy: I was just looking up the classical origins of the Knight Rider theme (Glen Larson freely admits he lifted the main hook straight from “Cortège de Bacchus” from the ballet Sylvia by the 19th-century composer Léo Delibes).

      Reply
    243. 243.

      Gvg

      May 16, 2023 at 8:00 pm

      @WaterGirl: Blues Brothers not 9 to 5 and not Dolly.

      Reply
    244. 244.

      Matt McIrvin

      May 16, 2023 at 8:03 pm

      @Gvg:

       By that I mean they thought they were tolerant when it wasn’t anywhere near impacting them and when they met their eventual southern son in law, they asked in genuine puzzlement how his fellow Floridians could treat negros like that

      My Nebraskan dad had that conversation with a white Southerner as a young man, and the guy immediately pointed out that in Nebraska they treated Native Americans exactly the same way, which was true and had apparently never occurred to him.

      Reply
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      Geminid

      May 16, 2023 at 8:17 pm

      @Matt McIrvin: The land I live on in Virginia was taken from the Natives in the 17th century, just as surely as the land west of the Mississippi was taken in the 19th. Americans live in the biggest and most successful colonial project ever.

      Reply

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