NEWS: 241-187, House votes to adopt the rule to advance the Biden-McCarthy debt limit legislation.
29 Republicans vote NO.
52 Democrats vote YES.
This sets up a final House vote later today.
A very good sign for the bill's prospects of passage.https://t.co/KgWEyD9fBR
— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) May 31, 2023
Note: There will almost certainly be some GOP "yes" votes on the rule who vote "no" on the bill. Likewise some Democrats who voted against the rule are highly likely to vote for the actual bill.
— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) May 31, 2023
Rothkopf’s not wrong here, but this twitter-essay is maybe just a little over the top…
Stealthily, without proportionate recognition, Joe Biden is not just having a good presidency, he's having one that is historic in its concrete achievements and successes. The fair & balanced types in the media won't characterize it fairly because to do so, would "feel" biased.
— David Rothkopf (@djrothkopf) May 30, 2023
The opposition won’t cover it because it is not in their interests to tell the truth. (It’s why they never do.) Editors and producers will shy away from it because positive stories don’t sell like conflict does. Consequently most of the media won’t present the simple facts.
It should be said, Biden uses the lack coverage to his advantage. He let’s the crazies & the partisans and the weathervane pundits and the people who have forgotten that the first job of journalists is to report the truth as it is, as a kind of shield while he just does his job.
He sidesteps controversy. He does not rub his opponents noses in it every time he outmaneuvers them. (Yesterday he explicitly stated he was conscious of this, that he was not going to bang the drum about the debt deal because it would imperil it.)
Some in his own party lament the lack of self-congratulatory chest-thumping. But governing well is Biden’s communications strategy. He’s just old school enough to believe in the common sense of the American people.
And his electoral results and that of the Democratic Party during his presidency have also defied conventional wisdom (which is always wrong these days for just the reasons cited above) and been much stronger than expected.
You know the list. Everyone knows the list. Massive legislative accomplishments greater than those of any president since LBJ with the American Rescue Plan, the Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill, the Inflation Reduction Act, the CHIPS and Science Act…
…300 bipartisan bills passed, etc. Should the current debt deal pass, it will rank among these achievements (and will, in part, because he knows it must be structured so his opponents can take credit for the outcome too.)…
===
No fair-minded observer can doubt that Biden has achieved what he has while fighting a movement to gut American democracy and strip away the basic rights of voters, of women, of the LGBTQ community, of people of color and of the poor.
Again, he has done this with actions and not just words–by appointing more judges than any of his predecessors in the same period of time, by ensuring those judges like his cabinet, looks more like the American people, is more diverse than any in history.
If he had done nothing at all, achieved none of the above, but was simply the only actively pro-democracy, pro-Constitution candidate running for president, was the only leading candidate who actually stands up to & opposes our enemies like Russia (rather than kowtowing to them)-
then he would deserve the support of every patriotic American, everyone who believes in the promise of the American idea. But of course, that stark fact is not covered for what it is either. Because to say Biden is pro-democracy and pro-American and his opponents are not…
…would be considered by the mush-minded, click and ratings hungry leadership of the mega-businesses that control what we see and hear to be “slanted.” Yes, it would be slanted toward the truth. Yes, it would be slanted towards real journalism…
But they don’t care. But, fortunately for us all, Biden has found the path around them. He has chosen the path that leads directly to the people. He has delivered. The majority of Americans can see what he has done and is doing and stands for.
They know he wants to protect our freedoms, protect our children from guns, protect us from our enemies, ensure our future, ensure the government works for all Americans–from the middle out and from the bottom up–and they know the MAGA GOP and its chosen leaders do not.
It is why, personally, I have confidence that in 2024, we will see Biden and the Democrats win by big margins. We will see the voters send the message that MAGA extremism is a loser. We will see them express their displeasure with economic terror tactics and institutional racism.
Naturally, given the filters through which we view everything, we must not be complacent. Indeed, we should not seek to eke out a win. We should, as we have discussed on my podcasts recently (with folks like @SimonWDC) we should be seeking the biggest margins in recent memory.
But we have a great advantage in that effort. We have a historically significant president who has tuned out the Beltway noise and is working on compiling a record for the ages. We have a @VP who is herself making history daily and is herself compiling a great record.
Should we share this message? Should we make sure we do what we can in this age when all of us have platforms on social media, using new media, within our own networks, to make sure the truth is heard? Of course.
But we can take comfort in knowing that truth is on our side and that this exceptionally accomplished administration has no plans to stop exceeding expectations, to stop making history on behalf of all of us and what we need at this precarious moment in our history.
satby
I’m not so sure Rothkopf is over the top at all.
Old Dan and Little Ann
My wife wanted Biden to be President more than anyone I know. She’s an AP Gov teacher. I teased her for almost 2 years after he declared. He wasn’t even in my top 3. Never been happier to be so wrong. He is the right President at the right time. Kudos, Dark Brandon!
terraformer
I don’t think Rothkopf’s essay is over the top at all
Ohio Mom
I dunno, I don’t have that much faith in those perennially undecided voters. But I am more than willing to be wrong.
Miss Bianca
@terraformer:
I think Rothkopf might be overestimating our electorate somewhat, but other than that…I have to say I agree with him.
Jim, Foolish Literlist
@Ohio Mom: I think we’re a year away from having any idea of what the political ground will look like for ’24, from the economy to foreign policy to who the GOP nominee– if there were political bookies out there, I’d bet against DeSantis even if the actuarial tables and McD’s fryer oil take trump away. I think Manchin is toast, Tester will hang on and Sherrod Brown will need all the help we can give him
eclare
@satby:
I didn’t think so either.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
I agree with the factual substance of the Rothkopf essay, no question.
As far as the tone, there’s a deeper truth here that needs expressing. The President needs some goddamn cheerleaders. He’s doing a great job, just really fucking effective.
I don’t agree with everything he’s done as President, but this is the best version of Joe Biden I’m aware has ever existed along with the best version of the Democratic Party. They’re advancing important priorities in surprising ways, many of which have been stuck for decades.
So Rah, rah, sis, boom, bah! Let’s go, Joe!
JaneE
Again, not over the top. And saying that is is a little over the top also proves his point.
we should be seeking the biggest margins in recent memory.
Yes we should, but we should also not expect that even the largest margins in history will prevent a certain party and his political party from screaming that the election was stolen, in terms designed to incite violence if not a civil war.
piratedan
would agree regarding my fellow Jackals take on Rothkopf, the only reason he doesn’t sound like a Balloon Juice commenter is that there’s a decided lack of profanity in his take.
He’s doing ALL of this despite the media and going against a party that has condoned (if not embraced) Fascism as their new model for governance.
BigJimSlade
Since this is an open thread… cat adoption event: if there’s anyone in the Cleveland, OH, area, there’s an adoption event this Saturday. I think there will be some kittens, but the adults Archie and Amanda could use adopting!
H.E.Wolf
I’m very willing to help the Democrats to a landslide victory in Nov. 2024, up and down the national and state tickets.
And I’ve got time to help the Dems in Virginia do likewise in Nov. 2023. :)
Miss Bianca
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation: Count me in on the Joe Biden Cheerleading Squad.
GOOOOO JOE!!
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
Maybe, maybe not. But things feel different now. Fewer, though more intense, wingers seem to be out there providing their unsolicited wisdom. The sparsely engaged people I know don’t have a problem with Biden. Unrepresentative sample going on vibes, but I’m confident.
Hell, look at some trends. We millennial haven’t been buying the Republicans’ shit and Gen Z after us even less so. Young folk have been showing up too. Keep the pressure on, I want 2024 to be a watershed year in American politics.
schrodingers_cat
Tuning out the journo bros and the horseshoe Twitter amen chorus is Biden’s superpower
ETA: Compared to the farcical stage managed events by PM Modi I realize how lucky we are to have Biden as the President.
Frankensteinbeck
I am trying with mixed success to hold off gloating until the votes are all done and the budget is going to Biden’s desk.
Matt
A good reminder that the only thing dumber than a Trumpkin is a centrist.
Multiple states are literally enacting genocidal policies against trans people, and Rothkopf is cheering for how effectively the administration has stood up to hippies.
They lied to get a bill full of highway pork passed then stuffed the BBB straight down the memory-hole and now they want us to clap for all the “accomplishments”.
WaterGirl
@Matt: Who is “they”?
JPL
@Frankensteinbeck: Same!
mrmoshpotato
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation:
Best cheer ever!
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
More of BBB than you acknowledge made it to final passage and know what I see when I look at the parts they failed to pass?
Goals for the next go-around.
Omnes Omnibus
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation: Some politician recently said, “Let’s finish the job.” I wonder who that was?
Bill Arnold
Joe Biden’s main superpower[1] is that his opponents consistently underestimate him. Since the USA media’s political coverage of POTUS Biden is mostly in opposition to him, they too are very often beclowned by this superpower.
[1] In part it’s Joe Biden’s stutter.
In part it’s the USA right-wing’s compulsion to always confidently downgrade their assessments of the competence of their opposition, and upgrade their assessments of their own competence. They don’t do Eeyore-ing like Democrats do.
In part, it’s that GOP/(USA)Conservative members are more gullible on average than their opposition.
In part, it’s that the parasites that grift off the GOP/RW use well-crafted falsehoods that target RW conceptual biases to fatten their grift-take.
Old School
@Matt:
I assume you are referencing some other piece because that doesn’t summarize the above essay in the slightest.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
@Omnes Omnibus: Some regular Joe…
mrmoshpotato
@Matt:
Centrism Silver -driftglass
Raoul Paste
@Omnes Omnibus: Good attitude
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
I mean they get the job done but “well-crafted?” Not a lot of craft needed for people who see what they want to see.
Dan B
@Matt: It’s unclear who “they” are and what they “lied” about. Details please.
Cameron
In addition to cash and get-out-the-vote work, running for offices for which no other Democrat is in the race is something I think some of us should consider. I know I’m considering it, since I’m a lone old fart who has the time to do so. I have no illusions that I could actually win anything here in Manatee County, but anything that makes Republicans do a little work and spend a little money is all to the good.
JML
Biden does have an advantage over most of the modern presidents: he actually knows how the federal government works and has a lot of experience in moving legislation. It’s been held as gospel truth for a long time that it’s easier to win the presidency from the statehouse than Congress, but they don’t talk as much about what prepares you better to govern.
Obama did a lot of great things, but had a couple of significant flaws as a president: not being able to turn his personal popularity and accomplishments as president into larger legislative majorities after his election, and struggling to negotiate legislative deals (he never got past the GOP and the Lieberman’s of the world moving the goalposts on him). Biden seems to have a handle on the legislative deal-making in a better way, which may come both from his experience in the Senate, but also seeing what went wrong when he was VP. We’ll see if he can leverage his personal likability and significant accomplishments into legislative majorities in 2024…
Biden is dealing with the most incompetent and recalcitrant GOP House you could have possibly designed. The GOP Senate has less power since they’re still in the minority, barely, but Senate rules give them more power than they deserve; they’re equally recalcitrant, but generally more competent, even with their rump of utter crazies. It’s really rather staggering just how awful they all are. Even Obama had more to work with there, he was just more likely to get stabbed in the back by members of his own party…
bbleh
@Jim, Foolish Literlist: concur on all points given what we know now
(Has it always said “Literlist”? Like, have I been misreading all along?)
jonas
Maybe I’m pessimistic, but I’d wager about 90% of the American public has never heard about/read/seen of any of this. A small group of partisan Democrats has because they (rightfully) think it’s awesome, and a small group of partisan Republicans have because they’ve been told they’re all signs of the Socialist Apocalypse. The rest? They care about what a gallon of gas costs and who made the playoffs.
JML
@Cameron: running is a great idea! the more people who run as Democrats and present those values in a reasonable fashion so more people can hear them proudly at every level matters. Wins can and will happen in surprising places, and they all matter.
Bill Arnold
@Matt:
If by “hippies” you mean people who are quite OK with Republicans winning (though they will act insulted when this is said), then sure. (Hippies were originally young Boomers, yes?)
The GOP grabbed control of the House. In part by at least one major case of (non-traditional) election fraud, “George Santos”. (Resume fraud) Also with significant incompetence by Democrats in New York State and California.
The budget negotiations will be lit, but some parameters limiting the Republicans have already been set.
The GOP’s main tool in the budget negotiations will be is a government shutdown; the next phase is to start solidifying the narratives to make instigating a government shutdown solely to damage the USA for political gain, a terrible, anti-American action.
bbleh
@jonas: AND whether they have a job, and whether they can pay the bills with a little left over, and how much their medications cost, etc., all of which are sequelae of his primary accomplishments, even if the laundry list wouldn’t mean much to most people.
Also, I think they appreciate how “normal” he is. The contrast with the Krayzees couldn’t be more stark (and I’m willing to bet he plays to it very deliberately), and people pay attention to “character” when it comes to voting.
Jim, Foolish Literlist
he also has a very different Senate, including the Dem caucus, and a GOP that is both tainted and energized by trumpism, and what I think I’ll call Alitoism. I noted last week that I was surprised how little Jamie Dimon’s calls for a deal seemed to be resonating with McCarthy. Now I wonder if it wasn’t so little after all. The Uhleins may be wackaloons, but they’re wackaloons who know and care about make in gooney
ETA: In short, America is a fascinating land of contrasts and contradictions
Bill Arnold
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation:
By craft, I mean effective emotional/sentiment manipulation. Yeah, agreed that a lot of it is extremely crude by rational standards, but they have to work with their sophistication level of their targets.
Matt McIrvin
Liberals are just not inherently cheerleaders. Right now, most of what I hear outside of places like this is indifference, punctuated by protests when Biden occasionally does something liberals don’t like.
Geminid
@Jim, Foolish Literlist: If he runs, I’m not counting Manchin out.
Jim, Foolish Literlist
meanwhile, whatever intelligence, maturity and survival instinct McCarthy showed by getting a deal, apparently it was temporary
I really can’t believe he’s doing this. If he sticks to it, they ought to be revving up just as the election cycle is getting in to high gear, and trump is already campaigning against De Santis as Paul Ryan Redux
@Matt McIrvin: that indifference, the apathy of the broad middle, has been confounding me for seven years now.
Steeplejack
Typo in the title. It’s “encomium.”
MisterDancer
I think Biden’s VP experience — and afterwards — is crucial, here.
Obama faced a huge issue in that the Blue Dogs had no incentives to drive Progressive legislation thru. i think we risk way underplaying how damaging the Libermans were, in ways that, due to polarization, Biden doesn’t face. There are certainly fewer Democrats now, but the “big tent” is far more coherent and cohesive, and that makes a difference.
In other words, Biden would be facing the same challenges Obama has, and having to navigate them in similar ways, just because the composition of the Congress at that point made pushing anything thru really hard. So, sure, he’s learned from that, yet he’s also in a position to understand some of the lessons around that, both from decades of experience and directly seeing what a “swampy” Congress does to ideas, as VP.
But there’s more, and it’s crucial. Biden has a deep and abiding friendship with Obama. I posit that has helped him more deeply empathize — without pandering — with Black folx; not to say he didn’t before, but he got a front-row seat at the horror-show of racism in America, and how deep that rot is. He already came to the Veep spot, based upon my understanding, with empathy for LBGTQIA+ folx. And he just seems like a decent guy who got too caught up in the political sphere over the years, esp. in an era where “centrism” was a key goal…until he saw the limits of that approach.
And then there’s the Charlotteville incident, which he’s said was key to his decision to run. I cannot imagine a person like Joe who claims a key friendship with a Black family…I mean, can you imagine what Barack and Michelle said to him, in private, about that situation? Can you imagine you, hearing it from them, knowing you have the power to change things in America?
Could you stand still in that moment, and say no to this?
So yeah, I think y’all discount how all that motivated Biden. I think we discount how years of hate has motivated all of us, has made the petty shit a lot of legislators used to bring to the Capitol just fall away like the scales over their eyes.
I submit there’s an awareness by many (not all) that this is no longer a game — many who, in the past, might not have run, and if they did wouldn’t have taken getting real shit done, seriously. Biden has the chops to ride that wave of determination, and the institutional knowledge (along with Pelosi, Chuckie S., and even the new crew) to implement it, even during headwinds. It’s a potent and powerful combination.
So yes, Joe gets a lot of credit he deserves. But to me, that credit gets spread around, and invokes cultural forces Barack just didn’t have available in his time.
[ETA: @Jim, Foolish Literlist said it much more concisely!]
MisterDancer
@Jim, Foolish Literlist: “Please Proceed, Speaker.”
Albatrossity
The folks who want to break everything and make sure that government never works will certainly never come over to Rothopf’s view of things. But I think that majority of the country wants the government to work, they understand that it is necessary for the lives that they have and that they want for their kids, and they are (perhaps most importantly) tired of the drama generated by partisan flamethrowers and media click-seekers.
If that really is the case, Biden wins. I’m cautiously optimistic that having a working government and less drama for a few years is indeed a winning strategy.
WaterGirl
@Jim, Foolish Literlist: When did you change your nym?
Also, curious as to what Literlist means? (that was hard to type because autocorrect kept changing it to your original name, Literalist.
Miss Bianca
@Steeplejack: Oh, you mean it wasn’t just me?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@MisterDancer: I think people forget what a pin-up boy Paul Ryan was during that time. Just an earnest young fella with a metaphorical green eyeshade looking to put our fiscal house in order after all the excesses of bailouts and stimuli. I never could believe anybody bought into his smarmy Eddie Haskell act, but Cokie Roberts and Bob Schieffer were all in. Ted Yoho, who was calling for default at the time, didn’t get the coverage Marge Greene does.
@WaterGirl: just a typo I thought I’d corrected. I’ll try again
I’m back
JPL
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Paul Ryan survived with his Social Security Survivors fund, McDonalds pay and low tuition. So we all should. Paul Ryan doesn’t understand how things change.
JPL
Once the debt bill is approved, does that also take care of his budget?
MazeDancer
Totally missed the announcement 3 months ago that RI Representative David Cicilline was leaving the House. He is going to head a foundation in RI.
Today is his last day. Voting on raising the debt limit will be his last vote.
While his replacement will be a Dem, probably won’t be gay. And that’s too bad. But, who knows, might be.
zhena gogolia
@satby: Me either
JPL
Assuming they raise the debt ceiling, does that also take care of thi budget, or do continue the fight down the road?
Matt McIrvin
@Jim, Foolish Literlist: Our betters at the Washington Post are going on about the need to cut Social Security and Medicare in, I think, today’s unsigned editorial. Ooh, tough choices!!!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@JPL: Oh, the McDonalds job. Without diminishing the loss of his father (who was a successful lawyer whose cousins owned one of the largest construction companies in the country– they gave Ryan his only post-college private sector job, IIRC): he had a part time job in high school. It’s amazing to me how he managed to sell the idea that he was supporting his widowed Ma by working the McFlurry machine.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
Then we must be the cheerleaders and the recruiters.
Steeplejack
@Miss Bianca:
I thought there might be some double-secret play on words, but I couldn’t find it.
Gvg
@MisterDancer: I suspect Biden/Obama is not the only connection. I think this Congress also saw a lot of the same problems and shortcomings of the prior approach, had blinder knocked from their eyes, had black friends telling them things. Not just the Congress people who were in Congress then and still are, but the new ones too. Heck, we who aren’t in Congress know a lot of things now that we didn’t before those prior failures. It matters that the republicans have been screwing us blatantly and dangerously really recently, and that compromises and friendliness have been used against us. We remember. We learned. Of course the democrats in Congress learned too. It’s amazing how well they stick together compared to the past, but it’s the only thing that has worked, so they learned to do it.
CaseyL
@jonas:
This is pretty much what the MSM said before the 2022 elections, when they mocked Biden for making it a referendum on democracy.
They were wrong. People were paying attention, and they voted accordingly.
Uncle Cosmo
@Jim, Foolish Literlist: Call it Alitosis – it stinks to high heaven every time it opens its rotted mouth,
bbleh
@Uncle Cosmo: lol, stolen
CaseyL
The debt ceiling bill has passed the House. Vote is 303-112, with 20 not voting (11 of those not voting are Democrats)
D in favor – 163
R in favor – 142
R opposed – 69
D opposed – 43
Now… on to the Senat
(Strangely, only NBC News has this; the other networks haven’t caught up. But NBC has a CSPAN feed, so it’s real.)
WaterGirl
@CaseyL: Beginning last Thursday, I missed all the debt ceiling stuff, so I have no idea what really happened. But surely someone somewhere – the big banks, the big money people, someone – let the Rs know that they should not fuck with the debt ceiling.
Is that the case?
Because they sure seemed willing to drive the country into a ditch when I left on Thursday.
pieceofpeace
Referring to previous post re Jerry Fallwell (appropriate, considering his magnificent fall from grace, and while this is now ‘old news,’ I recognized the scene from awhile back and found it occurred in 2020? Is this the one thought to be recent or do I need to lay off the celebratory sangria now?
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/04/jerry-falwell-photo-backlash-391348
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
Looks like a well-struck compromise to me.
Another Scott
@JPL: This 99 page bill only sets a few top-line numbers in a few areas. The regular appropriations bills still have to be written and voted on. The areas subject to this 99 page bill will have to have the appropriations bills adjusted to meet the stated numbers.
There’s still the need to get the new budget for FY24 in place before October 1, 2023. All the usual stuff still applies.
What this does is take the debt ceiling off the table until January 1, 2025.
Others have noted that the GQP doesn’t shut down the government during an election year – there’s too big a risk for them that people will remember in November. So if we can make it into January without a shutdown, then we should be Ok (on that score).
HTH a little.
Cheers,
Scott.
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
Why?
Even Bernie and Warren supporters give Biden highest marks:
Jackie
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation: More Dems than GQP voted Yea. Looks like McQuarthy needed more help than he wanted.
Is this enough to hang him?
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation:
another bi-denpartisan victory
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
Considering the Republicans were the ones with the hostage, it makes sense. The real determining factor in whether he gets hung is whether the Dems will get him through a confidence vote.
Jackie
@David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch: Good one!👍🏻
Jackie
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation: I’m really torn… I can see Dems protecting him (owning him) but I’d also enjoy seeing him sweating profusely trying to keep his precious Speakership.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
@Jackie: I look at it this way; I don’t have a lot of confidence in McKevin, but what little I have was engendered by this deal which will be the reason provided for any imminent challenge
ETA: It’s the national stability choice, which is kind of the Democratic brand right now .
Jeffro
this, This, and THIS
Jeffro
Great! So let’s push that 90% down to 85%, or even 80%. Because despite all that not-paying-attention stuff, we’re still winning pretty handily and can do even better in 2024!
Jeffro
Co-signed here! Sitting around bitching is beyond useless. As they say in certain RWNJ circles:
LET’S GO BRANDON!!!
JaySinWA
Boebert was a definite no https://www.cpr.org/2023/05/30/debt-ceiling-bill-lauren-boebert-ken-buck/
But when push came to shove she was a no show:
REPUBLICAN
DEMOCRATIC
Another Scott
@JPL: @Another Scott: A better summary of what this means for the budget is at GovExec.com:
More at the link.
Cheers,
Scott.
JaySinWA
@Another Scott:
This sentence doesn’t make sense given the rest of the article. It isn’t explained even when I read the whole thing. What is this supposed to mean?
Geminid
@CaseyL: Whoa! I assumed that Democrats would grudgingly parcel out enough votes to pass the bill, but require McCarthy to provide a majority. It’s like Jeffries and company are claiming the Win. Kind of an Aikido move.
Eolirin
@JaySinWA: Well, if I’m reading it correctly, the automatic spending only kicks in starting in January, so if things aren’t resolved before October, the government could shut down for a few months. But there’s no way they can force shutdowns going into 2024, which is a big deal. The bomb throwers won’t be able to try to fuck with things during the election year.
Albatrossity
@Jackie:
Dunno. But as long as the GOP caucus keeps shooting at each other and failing to pass bills, I’m OK with it.
cain
So, with all the book banning going on in this country. My motherland seems to be trying to say “hold my beer”, and I’m sure @schrodingers_cat would appreciate this – but it seems that the RSS assholes are busy trying to remove a number of things from school curriculum.
https://science.slashdot.org/story/23/05/31/1525242/india-cuts-periodic-table-and-evolution-from-school-textbooks
Cutting the periodic table, resource management, the teaching of evolution – I’m flabbergasted. Apparently all of this is driven by the RSS.
I don’t understand how this is actually being supported especially by the Indian middle class. Indians deeply care about education and it’s highly competitive. So, I’m trying to figure out how the hell this is supposed to be a good thing.
In the article, it claims that the RSS is trying a lot of things.
As far as I’m aware, Hinduism has no conflict with creation stories. When your religion tells you that reality is only an illusion however the fuck you got to where you are is not gonig to be conflict.
jonas
@Jeffro:
Dude, from your keyboard to the FSM’s ears. I would *love* for Biden’s/the Dem Senate’s accomplishments to get out there to the general public. Dems have thus far proven themselves utterly, totally incapable of doing this. Now, granted, they lack an official propaganda cable channel (Fox + a score of Fox Jr. wannabees), the entire AM radio spectrum, and the MSM tries daily to carry water/run interference for Republicans, but still…
I wish Hakeem Jeffries daily briefings — which are awesome — were carried somewhere other than on an occasional Twitter.
JaySinWA
Roll call for the final passage (without the hundreds of links that put my other post in moderation (Powers That Be: feel free to delete the other one):
From here:
https://www.c-span.org/congress/votes/?congress=118&chamber=house&loadImg=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.c-spanvideo.org%2Fassets%2Fimages%2Fajax-loader.gif&vote-status-sort=all&vote-number-search=243&vote-majority-required=all&vote-question-type=all&vote-start-date=&vote-end-date=&vote-billnum-search=&vote-billtitle-search=&vote-billtopic-search=
REPUBLICAN
Aderholt R-AL, Aye
Alford R-MO, No
Allen R-GA, Aye
Amodei R-NV, Aye
Armstrong R-ND, Aye
Arrington R-TX, Aye
Babin R-TX, Aye
Bacon R-NE, Aye
Baird R-IN, Aye
Balderson R-OH, Aye
Banks R-IN, Not Voting
Barr R-KY, Aye
Bean R-FL, Aye
Bentz R-OR, Aye
Bergman R-MI, Aye
Bice R-OK, Aye
Biggs R-AZ, No
Bilirakis R-FL, Aye
Bishop R-NC, No
Boebert R-CO, Not Voting
Bost R-IL, No
Brecheen R-OK, No
Buchanan R-FL, No
Buck R-CO, No
Bucshon R-IN, Aye
Burchett R-TN, No
Burgess R-TX, Aye
Burlison R-MO, No
Calvert R-CA, Aye
Cammack R-FL, No
Carey R-OH, Aye
Carl R-AL, Aye
Carter R-GA, Aye
Carter R-TX, No
Chavez-DeRemer R-OR, Aye
Ciscomani R-AZ, Aye
Cline R-VA, No
Cloud R-TX, No
Clyde R-GA, No
Cole R-OK, Aye
Collins R-GA, No
Comer R-KY, Aye
Crane R-AZ, No
Crawford R-AR, Aye
Crenshaw R-TX, Aye
Curtis R-UT, Aye
D’Esposito R-NY, Aye
Davidson R-OH, Aye
De La Cruz R-TX, Aye
DesJarlais R-TN, No
Diaz-Balart R-FL, Aye
Donalds R-FL, No
Duarte R-CA, Aye
Duncan R-SC, Aye
Dunn R-FL, Aye
Edwards R-NC, Aye
Ellzey R-TX, Aye
Emmer R-MN, Aye
Estes R-KS, Aye
Ezell R-MS, Aye
Fallon R-TX, No
Feenstra R-IA, Aye
Ferguson R-GA, Aye
Finstad R-MN, No
Fischbach R-MN, No
Fitzgerald R-WI, Aye
Fitzpatrick R-PA, Aye
Fleischmann R-TN, Aye
Flood R-NE, Aye
Foxx R-NC, Aye
Franklin R-FL, Aye
Fry R-SC, No
Fulcher R-ID, No
Gaetz R-FL, No
Gallagher R-WI, Aye
Garbarino R-NY, Aye
Garcia R-CA, Aye
Gimenez R-FL, Aye
Gonzales R-TX, No
Good R-VA, No
Gooden R-TX, No
Gosar R-AZ, No
Granger R-TX, Aye
Graves R-LA, Aye
Graves R-MO, Aye
Green R-TN, Aye
Greene R-GA, Aye
Griffith R-VA, No
Grothman R-WI, Aye
Guest R-MS, No
Guthrie R-KY, Aye
Hageman R-WY, No
Harris R-MD, No
Harshbarger R-TN, No
Hern R-OK, No
Higgins R-LA, No
Hill R-AR, Aye
Hinson R-IA, Aye
Houchin R-IN, Aye
Hudson R-NC, Aye
Huizenga R-MI, Aye
Hunt R-TX, No
Issa R-CA, Aye
Jackson R-TX, No
James R-MI, Aye
Johnson R-LA, Aye
Johnson R-OH, Aye
Johnson R-SD, Aye
Jordan R-OH, Aye
Joyce R-PA, Aye
Joyce R-OH, Aye
Kean R-NJ, Aye
Kelly R-MS, Aye
Kelly R-PA, Aye
Kiggans R-VA, Aye
Kiley R-CA, Aye
Kim R-CA, Aye
Kustoff R-TN, Aye
LaHood R-IL, No
LaLota R-NY, Aye
LaMalfa R-CA, Aye
Lamborn R-CO, Aye
Langworthy R-NY, Aye
Latta R-OH, Aye
LaTurner R-KS, Aye
Lawler R-NY, Aye
Lee R-FL, Aye
Lesko R-AZ, No
Letlow R-LA, Aye
Loudermilk R-GA, Aye
Lucas R-OK, Aye
Luetkemeyer R-MO, Aye
Luna R-FL, No
Luttrell R-TX, No
Mace R-SC, No
Malliotakis R-NY, Aye
Mann R-KS, No
Massie R-KY, Aye
Mast R-FL, No
McCarthy R-CA, Aye
McCaul R-TX, Aye
McClain R-MI, Aye
McClintock R-CA, Aye
McCormick R-GA, No
McHenry R-NC, Aye
Rodgers R-WA, Aye
Meuser R-PA, Aye
Miller R-WV, Aye
Miller R-OH, Aye
Miller R-IL, No
Miller-Meeks R-IA, Aye
Mills R-FL, No
Molinaro R-NY, Aye
Moolenaar R-MI, Aye
Mooney R-WV, No
Moore R-UT, Aye
Moore R-AL, No
Moran R-TX, No
Murphy R-NC, Aye
Nehls R-TX, Aye
Newhouse R-WA, Aye
Norman R-SC, No
Nunn R-IA, Aye
Obernolte R-CA, Aye
Ogles R-TN, No
Owens R-UT, Aye
Palmer R-AL, No
Pence R-IN, Aye
Perry R-PA, No
Pfluger R-TX, Aye
Posey R-FL, No
Reschenthaler R-PA, Aye
Rogers R-KY, Aye
Rogers R-AL, Aye
Rose R-TN, No
Rosendale R-MT, No
Rouzer R-NC, Aye
Roy R-TX, No
Rutherford R-FL, Aye
Salazar R-FL, Aye
Santos R-NY, No
Scalise R-LA, Aye
Schweikert R-AZ, Aye
Scott R-GA, Aye
Self R-TX, No
Sessions R-TX, No
Simpson R-ID, Aye
Smith R-MO, Aye
Smith R-NJ, Aye
Smith R-NE, Aye
Smucker R-PA, Aye
Spartz R-IN, No
Stauber R-MN, Aye
Steel R-CA, Aye
Stefanik R-NY, Aye
Steil R-WI, Aye
Steube R-FL, No
Stewart R-UT, Aye
Strong R-AL, No
Tenney R-NY, Aye
Thompson R-PA, Aye
Tiffany R-WI, No
Timmons R-SC, No
Turner R-OH, Aye
Valadao R-CA, Aye
Van Drew R-NJ, No
Duyne R-TX, No
Van Orden R-WI, Aye
Wagner R-MO, Aye
Walberg R-MI, Aye
Waltz R-FL, No
Weber R-TX, No
Webster R-FL, Aye
Wenstrup R-OH, Aye
Westerman R-AR, Aye
Williams R-TX, Aye
Williams R-NY, Aye
Wilson R-SC, Aye
Wittman R-VA, Aye
Womack R-AR, Aye
Yakym R-IN, Aye
Zinke R-MT, No
DEMOCRATIC
Adams D-NC, Aye
Aguilar D-CA, Aye
Allred D-TX, Aye
Auchincloss D-MA, Aye
Balint D-VT, Aye
Barragán D-CA, No
Beatty D-OH, Aye
Bera D-CA, Aye
Beyer D-VA, Aye
Bishop D-GA, Aye
Blumenauer D-OR, Aye
Blunt Rochester D-DE, Aye
Bonamici D-OR, No
Bowman D-NY, No
Boyle D-PA, Aye
Brown D-OH, Aye
Brownley D-CA, Aye
Budzinski D-IL, Aye
Bush D-MO, No
Caraveo D-CO, Aye
Carbajal D-CA, Aye
Cárdenas D-CA, Aye
Carson D-IN, Aye
Carter D-LA, Aye
Cartwright D-PA, Aye
Casar D-TX, No
Case D-HI, Aye
Casten D-IL, Aye
Castor D-FL, Aye
Castro D-TX, No
Cherfilus-McCormick D-FL, Aye
Chu D-CA, No
Cicilline D-RI, Aye
Clark D-MA, Aye
Clarke D-NY, No
Cleaver D-MO, Aye
Clyburn D-SC, Aye
Cohen D-TN, Aye
Connolly D-VA, No
Correa D-CA, Aye
Costa D-CA, Aye
Courtney D-CT, Aye
Craig D-MN, Not Voting
Crockett D-TX, No
Crow D-CO, Aye
Cuellar D-TX, Aye
Davids D-KS, Aye
Davis D-NC, Aye
Davis D-IL, Aye
Dean D-PA, Aye
DeGette D-CO, Aye
DeLauro D-CT, No
DelBene D-WA, Aye
Deluzio D-PA, Aye
DeSaulnier D-CA, No
Dingell D-MI, Aye
Doggett D-TX, Aye
Escobar D-TX, Aye
Eshoo D-CA, Aye
Espaillat D-NY, No
Evans D-PA, Aye
Fletcher D-TX, Aye
Foster D-IL, Aye
Foushee D-NC, Aye
Frankel D-FL, Aye
Frost D-FL, Aye
Gallego D-AZ, Aye
Garamendi D-CA, Aye
Garcia D-TX, No
Garcia D-CA, Aye
García D-IL, No
Gluesenkamp Perez D-WA, Aye
Golden D-ME, Aye
Goldman D-NY, No
Gomez D-CA, No
Gonzalez D-TX, Aye
Gottheimer D-NJ, Aye
Green D-TX, Aye
Grijalva D-AZ, No
Harder D-CA, Aye
Hayes D-CT, No
Higgins D-NY, Aye
Himes D-CT, Aye
Horsford D-NV, Aye
Houlahan D-PA, Aye
Hoyer D-MD, Aye
Hoyle D-OR, No
Huffman D-CA, No
Ivey D-MD, Aye
Jackson D-IL, Aye
Jackson D-NC, Aye
Lee D-TX, Aye
Jacobs D-CA, Aye
Jayapal D-WA, No
Jeffries D-NY, Aye
Johnson D-GA, Aye
Kamlager-Dove D-CA, No
Kaptur D-OH, Aye
Keating D-MA, Aye
Kelly D-IL, Aye
Khanna D-CA, No
Kildee D-MI, Aye
Kilmer D-WA, Aye
Kim D-NJ, Aye
Krishnamoorthi D-IL, Aye
Kuster D-NH, Aye
Landsman D-OH, Aye
Larsen D-WA, Aye
Larson D-CT, No
Lee D-CA, No
Lee D-NV, Aye
Lee D-PA, No
Fernandez D-NM, Aye
Levin D-CA, Aye
Lieu D-CA, Aye
Lofgren D-CA, Aye
Lynch D-MA, Aye
Magaziner D-RI, Aye
Manning D-NC, Aye
Matsui D-CA, Aye
McBath D-GA, Aye
McClellan D-VA, Aye
McCollum D-MN, Aye
McGarvey D-KY, Aye
McGovern D-MA, No
Meeks D-NY, Aye
Menendez D-NJ, Aye
Meng D-NY, No
Mfume D-MD, Aye
Moore D-WI, No
Morelle D-NY, Aye
Moskowitz D-FL, Aye
Moulton D-MA, Aye
Mrvan D-IN, Aye
Mullin D-CA, Aye
Nadler D-NY, No
Napolitano D-CA, Aye
Neal D-MA, Aye
Neguse D-CO, Aye
Nickel D-NC, Aye
Norcross D-NJ, Aye
Ocasio-Cortez D-NY, No
Omar DFL-MN, Aye
Pallone D-NJ, Aye
Panetta D-CA, Aye
Pappas D-NH, Aye
Pascrell D-NJ, Aye
Payne D-NJ, Aye
Pelosi D-CA, Aye
Peltola D-AK, Aye
Peters D-CA, Aye
Pettersen D-CO, Aye
Phillips D-MN, Aye
Pingree D-ME, Aye
Pocan D-WI, No
Porter D-CA, No
Pressley D-MA, No
Quigley D-IL, Aye
Ramirez D-IL, No
Raskin D-MD, Aye
Ross D-NC, Not Voting
Ruiz D-CA, Aye
Ruppersberger D-MD, Aye
Ryan D-NY, Aye
Salinas D-OR, Aye
Sánchez D-CA, Aye
Sarbanes D-MD, Aye
Scanlon D-PA, Aye
Schakowsky D-IL, No
Schiff D-CA, Aye
Schneider D-IL, Aye
Scholten D-MI, Aye
Schrier D-WA, Aye
Scott D-GA, Aye
Scott D-VA, No
Sewell D-AL, Aye
Sherman D-CA, Aye
Sherrill D-NJ, Aye
Slotkin D-MI, Aye
Smith D-WA, Aye
Sorensen D-IL, Aye
Soto D-FL, Aye
Spanberger D-VA, Aye
Stansbury D-NM, No
Stanton D-AZ, Aye
Stevens D-MI, Aye
Strickland D-WA, Aye
Swalwell D-CA, Aye
Sykes D-OH, Aye
Takano D-CA, Aye
Thanedar D-MI, Aye
Thompson D-CA, Aye
Thompson D-MS, Aye
Titus D-NV, Aye
Tlaib D-MI, No
Tokuda D-HI, Aye
Tonko D-NY, Aye
Torres D-NY, No
Torres D-CA, No
Trahan D-MA, Aye
Trone D-MD, Aye
Underwood D-IL, Aye
Vargas D-CA, No
Vasquez D-NM, Aye
Veasey D-TX, Aye
Velázquez D-NY, No
Schultz D-FL, Aye
Waters D-CA, Aye
Coleman D-NJ, Aye
Wexton D-VA, Aye
Wild D-PA, Aye
Williams D-GA, No
Wilson D-FL, No
rikyrah
@BigJimSlade:
I hope everyone finds a forever home🤗
Jackie
I’m out of free Daily Beast articles for the month, so here’s the RawStory summary…
“House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) cleared a massive challenge on Wednesday when he managed to deliver just enough votes from the Republican caucus, along with a large cohort of Democrats, to pass the landmark debt ceiling and deficit reduction agreement he brokered with President Joe Biden, which is now expected to move quickly through the Senate and avert a national default after weeks of tense bipartisan negotiations.”
“But now he faces another potential obstacle, reportedThe Daily Beast: the far-right wing of the House GOP, who is enraged the deal happened at all — and want McCarthy to suffer for it…”
“…The deal passed Wednesday night 314-117, with 149 Republicans and 165 Democrats voting for it, and 71 Republicans and 46 Democrats voting no. Republicans control the House, but it was Democrats who primarily got the measure across the finish line.”
“As a result of this, some far-right lawmakers are ramping up threats to use a parliamentary procedure to force a confidence vote to eject McCarthy from the Speakership — something he was, ironically, forced to put in the rules in order to get the votes necessary to become Speaker in the first place.”
https://www.rawstory.com/kevin-mccarthy-2660755956/
Hoping Used Chapstick sweats awhile…
JaySinWA
@Jackie: They may think about it but they don’t currently have the votes if they pull the trigger. 71 votes won’t get rid of him, they need a minimum of a majority of the R’s and with D’s not working against it
ETA OTOH If they do try, it could split the party or at least weaken his slim majority.
Jackie
@JaySinWA:🤞🏻🤞🏻
kalakal
@JaySinWA: Agreed, if they pull the trigger they’ll find they were loaded with a blank.
This is a pretty big kick in the teeth for the freedumb caucus. They’ve been a screamin and a pouting but when push came to shove they got told to go forth and multiply. They have very publicly failed and been shown to be a minority. The next set of primaries will be something to behold, vicious beyond belief, and with candidates that make Kari Lake look like empiricism incarnate
Let the GQP carry on shredding itself
Geminid
I think we should make “enconium” a new word. A special accolade for Joe Biden, suggesting an ice cream cone.
Chris T.
@WaterGirl:
Apparently it was a typo. And here I was thinking that “Literalist” had gotten too heavy, so he made it Liter (pronounced “lighter”, not like the metric system measurement of volume). 😀
Jackie
Official Statement from the White House:
“Tonight, the House took a critical step forward to prevent a first-ever default and protect our country’s hard-earned and historic economic recovery. This budget agreement is a bipartisan compromise. Neither side got everything it wanted. That’s the responsibility of governing. I want to thank Speaker McCarthy and his team for negotiating in good faith, as well as Leader Jeffries for his leadership.
This agreement is good news for the American people and the American economy. It protects key priorities and accomplishments from the past two years, including historic investments that are creating good jobs across the country. And, it honors my commitment to safeguard Americans’ health care and protect Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. It protects critical programs that millions of hardworking families, students, and veterans count on.
I have been clear that the only path forward is a bipartisan compromise that can earn the support of both parties. This agreement meets that test. I urge the Senate to pass it as quickly as possible so that I can sign it into law, and our country can continue building the strongest economy in the world.”
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/05/31/statement-from-president-joe-biden-on-house-passage-of-the-bipartisan-budget-agreement/
a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio)
@bbleh: He knows how to read a crowd and how to work it—remember the bit with a crying child in the audience that went around a little while ago? Handled perfectly. The US is ready for Loving Grandpa instead of Mean and Angry Grandpa. Loving Grandpa might give you a talking-to, but you know he loves you and he’s worried about you.
You can’t underestimate the power of emotions and perceptions among voters. We may try to be rational actors in the voting booth, but not all of us do, and even those who are careful to study the issues still have feelings about things.
brantl
@Bill Arnold: And those lampreys are weakening them.
ChrisSherbak
@Cameron: Put up an Act Blue link and I’ll donate. I totally agree that making the GOP work a little harder for those ‘free’ seats (dare we call them “welfare” seats?) is certainly worth it. Gotta think there’d be journos somewhere in the state that’d love to cover the “David vs. Goliath” story. cf. Jessica Piper and other “Dirt Road Democrats” https://flatlandkc.org/news-issues/meet-jessica-piper-missouris-dirt-road-democrat/
ChrisSherbak
@jonas: I think Mayor (sic) Pete is doing a great job of this – between standing in front of Yet Another Bridge and touting the FAA Dashboard and getting the airlines on board with rebates when they f-ck up.