NBC News: Trump's arraignment can't go forward unless he finds local counsel — and it's unclear whether he has.
At least one prominent Miami-based defense attorney has turned down Trump.
If Trump doesn't find local counsel, the surrender and first appearance will still happen,…
— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) June 12, 2023
Just saying https://t.co/B54HHFK4VQ pic.twitter.com/ZgpE66pZgE
— chatham harrison is tending his garden (@chathamharrison) June 12, 2023
But seriously…
JUST IN: Duty magistrate rejects press coalition motion to permit photography ahead of tomorrow' Trump arraignment and to approve release of recording.
But he says a transcript of the proceedings should be available same-day.https://t.co/dM9Azec8oM
— Kyle Cheney (@kyledcheney) June 13, 2023
MORE: And in case you were wondering whether the court was going to recognize the import of the moment, the chief judge approved this order today, barring media from bringing *any* devices into the building and warning of jail for violators. https://t.co/fAYFzI7RAe pic.twitter.com/ffmVnlavX1
— Kyle Cheney (@kyledcheney) June 13, 2023
Per the Washington Post, “Miami braces for Trump in court on classified documents charges“:
… The logistical and security planning ahead of the hearing underscored the unprecedented nature of Trump’s court appearance — no ex-president has ever been a defendant in a federal criminal case — along with the uncertainty about what might unfold on Tuesday. Trump and his supporters have called for demonstrations opposing the case, with some of his acolytes sometimes using violent rhetoric in denouncing the charges.
In Miami, local leaders have vowed to be ready for anything, saying they were prepared for crowds of anywhere from 5,000 to 50,000 people, though no official specifically predicted such a sizable group would actually appear. Miami Mayor Francis Suarez, a Republican, said Monday that law enforcement officials in the city were deeply experienced in dealing with large protests and called on people who gather to remain peaceful…
One of his aides, Walt Nauta, was also charged in the case. Both Trump and Nauta were ordered to make their initial appearances in the gleaming Wilkie D. Ferguson Jr. Courthouse in downtown Miami at 3 p.m. on Tuesday.…
[Miami police chief] Morales has said local, state and federal officials would have a “comprehensive” response to allow people to demonstrate but maintain peace in Miami. He said authorities would make decisions regarding street closures depending on the size of crowds and mentioned the importance of keeping opposing sides apart…
Vice reports there’s been numerous threats of violence on social media, only some of it anonymous… but NPR says “Trump is calling for support for his court appearance. The far right may stay away”:
… [E]xtremism researchers say that this time around, they are not seeing signs of similar, large-scale and detailed planning around Trump’s expected courthouse appearance.
“One of the most striking things that stuck out about January 6 that we’re not seeing now are logistical and tactical maps of buildings, facilities, areas, exit routes,” said Benjamin Decker, CEO of Memetica, a threat intelligence group.
Decker said violent rhetoric on fringe platforms such as far-right Telegram channels, 4chan, Gab, Truth Social, Gettr and Patriots.win has spiked since Trump’s indictment last week. He said it has been particularly concerning to see some of this language targeting Attorney General Merrick Garland and special counsel Jack Smith. But he said the appetite to participate in a mass, in-person event is muted.
“There is a lot of paranoia among Trump supporters about getting arrested,” he said. “And the cost of arrest and potential jail time, that’s still going to deter people … who may be on the fence about being there to exercise their First Amendment rights or being there to participate in mob violence.”…
Jared Holt, senior research manager at the Institute for Strategic Dialogue, said a handful of other groups appeared to be organizing rallies for Tuesday at the courthouse. But he noted they were attracting skepticism from doubters who accuse the organizers of setting up a “false flag” or federal honeypot trap intended to arrest Trump supporters.
In addition to the paranoia, researchers said that in the years since January 6, Trump has also lost his shine to many in his former base. “I think there’s this general sense of Trump fatigue that’s happening right now,” said Alex Friedfeld, of the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism. “We are not seeing them get as animated as they have in the recent past around issues surrounding Trump.”…
Decker and other extremism researchers acknowledge that there are limits to what they can learn online about what members of the far-right may plan. Since January 6, many groups and individuals fled to more private and encrypted channels of communication. Additionally, online monitoring can easily miss radicalized individuals who are inspired by online chatter to act violently…
Vox:
… Following his arraignment in Miami, the former president plans to return to his Bedminster, New Jersey, golf club to make public remarks. He similarly made public remarks following his April indictment, raising grievances against the Manhattan District Attorney’s office and people involved in other investigations against him.
Trump is also scheduled to hold a fundraiser at his golf club in the evening that is expected to bring in $2 million, Politico reported. That’s a hefty sum, but not an unreasonable target given that he also saw a surge in campaign donations following his first indictment. Ninety percent of Tuesday night’s proceeds are expected to go to Trump’s reelection effort, with the remainder taken to help with his growing legal fees…
opiejeanne
Homeland security did put up yellow warning tape around the courthouse today. That ought to do it.
ETA: First?
Librarian
Where’s Pam Bondi? She’s such a big fan of his.
lgerard
It is time for Judge Jeanine to step up
Chetan Murthy
@Librarian: How odd, her wikipedia page lists no jobs after her time working for/with TFG. Gosh, wouldn’t it be great if she couldn’t find work? [I know, I know, surely there’s some wingnut welfare job just waiting for her ….]
ETA: Grr, she’s apparently a partner at Ballard Partners law firm in DC. Grr.
Montanareddog
Slightly serious question. Can the court appoint a public defender for TIFG?
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
My favorite is wingnuts saying it’s not illegal to take copies of classified material citing the well known legal doctrine, “
finderscopies keepers,losersoriginals weepers”Tony Jay
@Montanareddog:
She’s a harassed, overworked public defender and mother of two adorably perky kids.
He’s a self-obsessed former President with a record of criming and the Russian Mob on his tail.
Together, they’re the hit of the Summer!
Come and see this mismatched pair find, lose, and find each again in the hilarious drama PD & The Pig
prostratedragon
Indictment of Donald Trunp and Walt Nauta, read by Ali Velshi (1h15m)
Whoo boy!
eclare
@Tony Jay:
That has box office smash written all over it.
Just like Bear vs Shark, assuming you saw the news about a bear in the ocean in Destin FL.
Manyakitty
@eclare: could we just get a crowd to dress like sharks? The orange shitstain is terrified of them.
Knock knock: ‘Candygram’
eclare
@Manyakitty:
That’s true!
Manyakitty
@eclare: could you imagine a heckler dressed like a shark, following him around everywhere, popping out from doorways 😍🤩🤣🤣🤣🤣
Brachiator
I understand that the Trump arraignment will happen at 3 pm Eastern Time. I will not be paying attention. I am so tired of this guy. I also don’t expect his supporters to try to start anything. But I wouldn’t mind if the MAGA dopes “rescued” Trump and spirited him off to Mother Russia to stay with his pal Putin.
Manyakitty
@Brachiator: he better hope Putin or his buddies don’t offer show him the new gold-plated windows…
Tony Jay
@eclare:
Does the bear have representation? Because if not, I’m thinking Starmaker!
“Forget about Cocaine Bear! He hasn’t got a quarter of your charisma or a tenth of your range. Make the Shark film sequel, do the talk shows, and just wait. Nick Offerman can’t take every part. You’ll get yours, and then you’ll break big, you huge hairy superstar you!“
eclare
@Tony Jay:
Hahaha…and the money will rain down!
eclare
@Manyakitty:
And he better have a tester for his Diet Cokes…
Amir Khalid
@Montanareddog:
TFG would find that humiliating.
Manyakitty
@eclare: lolololololololol
<Desantislaughing.gif>
eclare
@Amir Khalid:
Which is why I hope he has to use one!
Joey Maloney
@Montanareddog: The legal big brains on Twitter inform me that in federal court, the only reason a federal public defender can be appointed is if the defendant claims (and proves) indigence.
Boy would I love to see POS-TFG file under penalty of perjury a declaration that he’s broke.
Manyakitty
@eclare: wasn’t Nauta his diet coke valet? Maybe he can be the official taster, too.
eclare
@Manyakitty:
Oh wow…he would def flip given the choice between that and Diet Coke tester!
eclare
@Joey Maloney:
Well damn. But that leads to a question I have. I really want him to be treated like anyone else, so will he need to put up bail? Or does TFG get a pass on that because reasons?
Montanareddog
@Joey Maloney: So what do the legal big brains say happens when the defendant is not broke, but no one will represent them? The court can appoint counsel who cannot refuse, and the defendant must accept and pay?
I expect these are fairly rare situations. But it is probably hypothetical as I am sure some FL ambulance-chaser with more ego than sense can be found for the arraignment.
Pete Downunder
@Montanareddog: I never did criminal law, but as I understand it a defendant can appear without a lawyer if they choose to. What happens if they can afford one, want one, but no one will do it I have no idea.
Pete Downunder
It’s even weirder here because TFG does have a lawyer, but that lawyer is from NY and not licensed to practice in the federal court in FL. I assume the NY lawyer could apply to appear pro hoc vice (for this case only) but that usually still requires a local lawyer in the picture somewhere.
Manyakitty
@Pete Downunder: I thought Chris Kise was licensed in Florida?
eclare
@Pete Downunder:
Did people not learn anything from My Cousin Vinny?
Montanareddog
@eclare: I learnt that Marisa Tomei is the love of my life. Does that count?
Pete Downunder
@eclare: My Cousin Vinny was wonderful, but I’m not sure it’s a reliable source for the rules of criminal procedure
ETA for typo
eclare
@Montanareddog:
Absolutely!
eclare
@Pete Downunder:
I mean just the general concept that attorneys have to be licensed locally to practice in court.
Pete Downunder
@Manyakitty:
He is. Apparently, according to the Guardian, he will appear at the arraignment as a one-off.
Quinerly
I suspect former Florida Solicitor General Chris Kise will appear with Blanche today. Kiser is barred in the Southern District. (For those who don’t know, admission to federal courts is separate from state courts. You can be licensed in Florida but that doesn’t mean you have been admitted to the federal courts there)
Kise left his big firm sometime ago when one of Trump’s PACs handed over several million to him. As I recall, Trump then wanted Kise to play second fiddle to atty Alina Habba (remember her?….totally out of her league/area of expertise. ….all those frivolous motions) on the NY Atty General’s civil suit. Trump and Kise had a bit of a falling out but I bet he’s still on the payroll and will show up today
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Edited to add…looks like some of you got to this conclusion earlier. I didn’t read the thread before commenting. Haven’t slept much. Typing on the smarty pants phone in bed.
Manyakitty
@Pete Downunder: not a bad day’s work for that $3 million retainer.
Quinerly
@eclare:
Separate licenses/bar admittance for each federal court district (and separate for Supreme Court, for that matter). It’s not a test like the state bars…you get admitted to a state thru the testing. Then, at least when I came through in the 1980’s, it’s mostly a paperwork thing and having someone who is already admitted to the federal bar in that district “stand up for you.” I dropped my two federal licenses around 2000 when my practice changed and I went inhouse with a bank. I don’t know if it is/was the same but in the Eastern District of Missouri part of your duties that goes with admission is getting hit with pro bono prisoners rights cases. After my third one, it wasn’t worth it to keep my federal license so I dropped it. That, and I didn’t need my federal license with what I was doing at the bank.
prostratedragon
“Manhã de Carnival,” Luis Bonfà; Dexter Gordon and some All-Stars
It’s Dexter Gordon’s centennial year.
Quinerly
Headline made me laugh.
“Elizabeth Holmes Says She Can’t Pay $250 a Month in Restitution After She’s Released From Prison”
https://www.businessinsider.com/elizabeth-holmes-says-she-cant-afford-restitution-2023-6
lowtechcyclist
@Manyakitty:
Landshark!
Switching from SNL to Buffett,
Can’t you see them closing in, honey, can’t you see them circlin’ around?
mrmoshpotato
@Manyakitty:
The orange shitstain is also afraid of slightly-angled inclines. Maybe the shark crowd can throw foam ones at his fat, orange, Kremlin-humping, fascist head.
mrmoshpotato
@lowtechcyclist:
And they have drums! Oh shit! Hippie shark drum circle!
Quinerly
@lowtechcyclist:
💙
sab
@Manyakitty: OT You sent me an instagram of your email. Not understanding instagram, I ignored it because I was busy. So it evavprated.
Could you send me another email or send wategirl a way for us to be in contact.
slightly_peeved
Trump’s attempts to incite a riot gave me an idea about the whole ‘Cannon throwing the case out’ issue.
What are the odds that TFG gets through the case without asking Nauta, Judge Cannon, or the jury to pervert the course of justice in some way?
If Cannon goes full MAGA and throws out the case, take all the illegal shit Trump did during the trial, add a bunch more retention of classified document counts on top – boom! New indictment. Rinse and repeat until either someone other than Cannon gets the trial, her previous behaviour is sufficient to have her forcibly recused, or Trump gets sent to DC for the Jan 6 charges. Problem solved!
Manyakitty
@sab: sending an Instagram message now and also authorizing WaterGirl to share it with you. 🙂
Manyakitty
@lowtechcyclist: Bring it.
@mrmoshpotato: perfect!
@mrmoshpotato: yes, hippies too!!
lowtechcyclist
I think it would be cool if downtown Miami near the courthouse was a festive scene today. Food trucks, booze, people wandering around with big grins and enjoying the moment. The J6ers aren’t gonna show, so why not turn this event into an excuse for a big party? This is a moment to celebrate!
Mousebumples
Did I miss something in the arraignment developments? I thought one of those tweets above indicated *not* Judge Cannon would be doing the arraignment?
Yesterday was endless meetings… But I’ll do a little digging now…
prostratedragon
@Quinerly: Guardian report says that’s the ticket for today: link.
Chris T.
@lowtechcyclist:
Specifically, taco trucks. On every corner!
Chris Johnson
@David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch: Not unlike the similar and well known legal argument of “nuh-UH!”
Quinerly
@prostratedragon:
Well, you gotta figure Kise must have a tad bit left of that multi million dollar retainer paid by all those donations to yet another PAC.😎
Quinerly
@Mousebumples:
She never was going to do the arraignment. She is the assigned trial judge. A magistrate judge was always doing the arraignment. Love his name….John Goodman.
Quinerly
@Chris T.:
Now I’m hungry.
Mousebumples
@Quinerly: Ah, thanks for the clarification! 100% not a lawyer… Though I may have jury duty this month. (not in SDFL though lol)
Baud
@Manyakitty:
Maybe Trump’s punishment can be listening to Baby Shark on a loop.
Manyakitty
@Baud: cruel and unusual punishment for a cruel and unusual criminal.
Another Scott
@Montanareddog: IANAL.
I would ass-u-me that if TIFG has no lawyer that the judge will enter the usual “Not Guilty”, he’ll get bail or Smith won’t demand any (maybe surrender of passports), and they’ll set a tentative date, and TIFG will be told to get a lawyer because the process is going to be expeditious and by the book. I don’t think that not having a lawyer is that unusual this early in the process.
The main thing is, the magistrate judge isn’t going to do anything unusual that would delay the process hugely or cause people to think that it’s corrupt. And isn’t going to let TIFG do so either.
We’ll see.
Cheers,
Scott.
Ken
That’s because Trump is trying to organize this one, not whoever was backing him on J6. Plus the arrests and convictions, as already noted.
Baud
Haha. Trump is going to give an address tonight.
No wonder no attorney wants to represent him.
Baud
Today Show says mugshot will not be released.
Burnspbesq
The universe of white-collar defense lawyers with top secret security clearance is relatively small and mostly in D.C. it’s possible to imagine a scenario in which Trump can’t find a properly cleared lawyer who is admitted in the Southern District (who won’t ask for $10 million in immediately available funds up front). Then we find out the practical limits of the CIPA, which even experienced judges will tell you is a minefield. It increases the possibility of a pre trial ruling from Cannon that is so egregiously wrong that the Eleventh Circuit orders her removal.
Joyce Vance did a nice little explainer on CIPA last night. Her Substack might be paywalled, but here’s the link.
https://joycevance.substack.com/p/handling-classified-material-at-trial?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
Geminid
@Baud: During the National’s improbable 2019 World Series year, journeyman outfielder Gerrardo Parra used “Baby Shark” for his walk-on music. The crowds loved it! Parra’s arrival coincided with an improvement in the team’s fortunes, so the song came to be regarded as a good luck talisman.
Parra later played a season in Japan, and I figured that one reason they brought him over was the walk-on song.
Another Scott
@Burnspbesq: Thanks for the info and the pointer.
The link works for me.
Cheers,
Scott.
Central Planning
@Pete Downunder: Why do states license who can practice federal law? I can’t believe federal law is different in Florida vs New York.
ETA: looks like that was already answered by Quinerly #37
prostratedragon
Quinerly@53: If hasn’t spent it all retaining his own lawyer, just in case. MAGA insurance.
Van Buren
@Montanareddog: I once had occasion to call an attorney with the same last name to try and schedule an arbitration hearing. I asked if he was related to the actress and he said, “Yeah, that’s my daughter” I was too surprised to speak.
Uncle Cosmo
@opiejeanne: You may consider yourself awarded the Barron ;^p Von Fürstinthread (Im)Memorial (In)Citation for the morning.
Then again, you may not…
opiejeanne
@Uncle Cosmo: LOL! I accept the honor, but I wasn’t trying to be first, it just happened.
Ivan X
@opiejeanne: First! Nice work. How bout them Angels
Uncle Cosmo
@lowtechcyclist:
Tony G
I understand that legal procedures often make no sense — but I cannot understand the logic behind the rule that the arraignment cannot go forward until Trump has an attorney. Just assign the lowest-paid Legal Aid attorney to Trump’s sorry ass and get the damn thing done! Otherwise Trump can delay the arraignment indefinitely while he “searches for the perfect attorney”.
karen marie
WHY DOES A BILLIONAIRE NEED HELP WITH HIS LEGAL FEES?
#HappyArraignmentDay to all who celebrate!
Tony G
@Baud: The fact that Trump has a lifelong tradition of under-paying and sometimes not-paying people who work for him might have a tiny bit to do with the reluctance of “principled attorneys” to represent that loser.
opiejeanne
@Ivan X: They constantly scare the heck out of me, but they may be getting their act together with some good pitching. They’ve got the guys who can hit, but pitching was ugly at the beginning of the season.
I really want a better owner than Arte Moreno; he’s a MAGA and he’s a stupid negotiator.
ETA: There’s a coach on the team now who, from certain angles looks just like Scioscia.