“Years after their lives were turned upside down by conspiracy theorists, Ruby Freeman and her daughter, Wandrea ArShaye ‘Shaye’ Moss, were officially cleared by Georgia authorities on Tuesday.” https://t.co/x2qyuwVFfT
— Ryan J. Reilly (@ryanjreilly) June 21, 2023
Things people who rubbed a couple of brain cells together knew in November 2020: https://t.co/x2qyuwVFfT pic.twitter.com/JK2z6JSqHy
— Ryan J. Reilly (@ryanjreilly) June 21, 2023
Rolling Stone:
… On Tuesday, Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger announced the closure of an investigation into claims of fraud made by former Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani, after the DA’s office found no evidence that would substantiate the claims. “Over the course of the investigation, it was confirmed that numerous allegations made against the Fulton County Department of Registration and Elections, and specifically, two election workers, were false and unsubstantiated,” Raffensberg’s office wrote in a press release.
Giuliani had accused two Georgia election workers, Rudy Freeman and Wandrea “Shaye” Moss of having committed various acts of fraud in the course of counting ballots in Fulton County. Conspiracies leveled against Freeman and Moss included claims they had lied about flooding in election headquarters in order to have poll watchers removed, counted ballots multiple times, and snuck extra ballots into the count to inflate President Joe Biden’s margins. Freeman and Moss have since filed a defamation suit against Giuliani.
The allegations against Freeman and Moss became drivers of larger efforts by Trump and his allies to interfere with Georgia’s election outcomes. The pair were subjected to extreme harassment and threats by the former president’s devotees, and became key witnesses to the manner in which conspiracies about the election were formed and weaponized. During her testimony before the Jan. 6 committee, Moss was asked about the attorney’s claims that she and Freeman had exchanged a “USB drive” full of votes. Moss revealed that the drive was actually a piece of candy.
Over the course of the investigation, which was conducted with assistance from the Georgia Bureau of Investigations and FBI, Raffensperger’s office found that “there was no evidence of any type of fraud as alleged.” Additionally, investigators found that social media posts purporting to show an admission of voter fraud from an election worker were created by an individual who “admitted he created a fake account and confirmed the content that was posted on the account was fake.”
“We remain diligent and dedicated to looking into real claims of voter fraud,” Raffensperger said. “We are glad the state election board finally put this issue to rest. False claims and knowingly false allegations made against these election workers have done tremendous harm. Election workers deserve our praise for being on the front lines.” …
Not to be vindictive (ha!), but I agree with Charlie Pierce, at Esquire — “Give Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss All the Money”:
Now it’s time for these brave women to get paid.
Take it all. Houses. Cars. Skivvies. Everything. Every stick of gilded furniture. Every stitch of tailored clothes. Every last dime. Leave ’em all wearing a barrel…
These two women represented thousands of other of our fellow citizens who volunteer every election cycle to do the scut work of self-government. They’re the ones who check the registration rolls. They’re the ones who grind away counting votes through the night, a tedious, thankless task on its best days, but one that now has been rendered physically dangerous through the efforts of soulless political vampires, the legions of the political undead…
I’m proud to be Ruby Freeman’s fellow citizen. And I hope, a couple of years down the road, she’s living in a monumentally tacky seaside mansion in Florida and wondering what in hell you do with a gold-plated commode.
Baud
Tragedy averted.
Burn him.
Jay
Seconded,
and frist
eta, curse you Baud,……
JPL
It’s possible that Rudy is on the phone with Alex Jones asking how to hide money. just sayin
bbleh
Good for them!
So what happens to the people who made the false allegations, who harassed them, who actively interfered with election workers? Is the GA SoS going to pursue criminal charges? (I’d bet not.)
I hope there’s a line of lawyers outside their doors asking to represent them on contingency.
Jay
@JPL:
Rudy has no money.
JPL
@bbleh: The SOS will do nothing, but the Fulton County DA should announce charges the first week in August.
laura
Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss are the best of is- the absolute epitome of citizen guardians of the franchise. They deserve all the monies from every shite-bag that destroyed their lives- stares bitchly at so many republicans.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Jay:
Whenever I see gold, especially gold watches, I usually associate it with tackiness.
Cameron
@Jay: Four Seasons might spot him a loan.
JPL
@Jay: ha Alex, help me. I need to hide my money.
Rudy you have no money to hide.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@JPL:
@Cameron:
Should’ve gotten paid up front from Trump
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I was just thinking about his claim to a judge recently that he was broke and wondering if he said that with an eye on this case. He’s got at least two ex-wives who could probably offer some advice on how he hides it, assuming a good lawyer could find a way around the NDAs that I’m sure are there
Omnes Omnibus
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): There is old gold and new gold.
Baud
@Omnes Omnibus:
Old gold is a jackal.
Maxim
Good. It’s about damn time.
Jay
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
I had a Rolex once, and a top of the line Seiko,
the Seiko had that bracelet clip, that opened up 3/4s of the way up The Chief. Did not survive the fall. The Rolex just died, stopped working.
Early 80’s.
Since then, cheap Timex’s. On my 2nd now,……
Brachiator
Why did it take so long to clear these people from obvious fake bullshit?
Is this a case of people loving Trump so much that they will falsify shit in order to help make Trump’s nonsense appear more credible?
Ugh. This crap is so irritating.
Dorothy A. Winsor
I can’t believe these women have been under this cloud for this long. It’s beyond outrageous. It’s evil.
Jay
@Cameron:
nope, that PA bridge collapse due to the burning tanker truck, well, that was “their” off ramp,
so business has down the past couple of weeks, and seasonal is a cash flow business.
Maybe TFIG can float him a loan,………….
LMAO,…..
mrmoshpotato
Oh Brother Charlie… LOL! Yes!
Y-E-S!
Spanky
Occam’s Razor, baby!
And Rudy’s ex-wives have all his money. Shame, that. But I still hope they sue the living shit out of him
UncleEbeneezer
Since everyone is obsessed with small submarines, have you all watched The Investigation on HBO? It’s one of the best true crime series’ we have ever watched about a truly bizarre, high profile murder in Denmark that involved a submarine. It also stars Pilou Asbaek, who you may remember from Borgen and Game of Thrones (Euron Greyjoy). And it’s all a true story. Really, really great series that we couldn’t stop watching. And it never glorifies the killer. Quite the opposite. Anyways, highly recommend it!
Leto
@Jay: then as Charlie says, they need to take every other fucking thing he has. I literally want to see him on a street corner with nothing but a barrel and a pair of suspenders. If he can pass as a hobo or bum, he’s still too rich. If he can afford that shitty hair dye, too fucking rich. They made these two women’s lives a living hell. Fuck’em, forever.
Baud
@UncleEbeneezer:
You sure that wasn’t Troy McClure?
mrmoshpotato
@Baud:
Can he be slapped within inches of his Dump-humping, miserable life first?
Leto
@UncleEbeneezer: we have not but that sounds interesting so I’ll add it to the queue. Did you say you were watching Silo? I don’t know how many more episodes it has but it’s been good as well.
Steve in the ATL
@JPL: back when everyone was all gaga over Brad Raffensperger for not being a full on Trumper, we warned them that he was not a good guy! Hopefully that’s clear now.
Steve in the ATL
Gesundheit!
UncleEbeneezer
@Leto: Not yet, but Silo is def on our list. The Investigation and The Staircase (about the Michael Peterson scandal, trial and documentary) are possibly the two best true crime dramas I can remember. We watch a lot of true crime dramas and documentaries and most are pretty mediocre. Those two are superb, in part because the stories are just so incredible.
Frankensteinbeck
The US badly needs better anti-harassment laws.
@Brachiator:
Claiming to be a liberal and then lying about what liberals believe is a longstanding conservative schtick. They really love how easy the internet makes it. There have been a few conservative public figures caught lately pretending to be black on Twitter to push their talking points, but it goes so much deeper and is more grassroots than that.
Jay
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
It’s the web,………
for those with a clue, they were never “under a cloud”,
they just had all of wingnuttia rain down on them,….
mrmoshpotato
@UncleEbeneezer:
Need more information. Was the submarine dropped on the victim? Was the victim thrown out of an 8th story window onto the submarine?
ETA – shot out of a torpedo tube?
Annie
@Frankensteinbeck:
Oh a thousand times this. My late uncle used to ask me “why do liberals believe [whatever stupid thing]?” and I’d ask him where he heard it and he’d reply it was on Limbaugh’s show, or late, Fox News. It was never anything any liberal or Democrat actually believed or had said.
Jay
@mrmoshpotato:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kim_Wall
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Jay:
Were they both mechanicals? Did you ever have the Rolex or the Seiko serviced?
I own two automatics, an (old gen with the 7s26 movement) Seiko 5 dress watch and an Orient Kamasu diver. I also own two Casios, one analog and the other digital
Leto
@UncleEbeneezer: what did you think about I’ll be Gone in the Dark? We basically don’t watch any true crime stuff, but we really enjoyed that one.
WaterGirl
@Steve in the ATL: He has thrown thousands and thousands and thousands of “the wrong people” off the voter rolls. Possibly hundreds of thousands. NOT OUR FRIEND.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Omnes Omnibus:
Huh, TIL
Burnspbesq
Judgment proof? Sue anyway, and when the defendants turn the suit into a new way to fleece the rubes, attach the proceeds of the fleecing.
mrmoshpotato
@Jay: Woah.
Jay
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
Both were mechanicals.
I only found about 50% of the Seiko. A 2000ft fall onto white granite voids the warranty.
I “sold” the Rolex to a jewelry shop for credit
Since then, cheap Timex’s, 2 in almost 50 years.
Being a hands on guy for the last 30, means they have taken a beating, like me.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Jay:
Yeah, that’ll definitely do it 👀
Timex is a pretty good brand. I used to own a few Expedition models when I was a kid in middle school, but I kept losing them 😅
UncleEbeneezer
@mrmoshpotato: I don’t want to give too much away. The genius of the show, imo, is in the way it withholds information from the viewer.
Jay
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
on Expeditions?
Current one I have is an Expedition. Got 4 years out of the battery.
The bright side is that the 15 minutes on the hour alarm that I couldn’t figure out how to reset, ( it’s now a code you enter with 4 push buttons in sequence), died when the battery died.
All I want a watch to do is tell time, and maybe tick.
T bugs me about my phone. I use it as an alarm clock, a web surfing tool, a phone, email and text messages. Her’s has apps.
WTF are apps?
Jackie
Wasn’t Kanye West also involved with terrorizing Ruby and Shaye?
Jay
@Jackie:
probably,……..
here we have a case of somebody using the pile on of the web to terrorize a guy and his lab, with accusations of mistreatment and animal cruelty. The RCMP are now involved, (no animal cruelty, Sam is fat, happy and sassy),
it’s become in some regards, a version of SWATting.
UncleEbeneezer
@Leto: I’ll Be Gone In The Dark was very well-done and a fascinating story, but not one of my faves overall. Too much focus on her and Patton and too much glamorizing of online sleuths. Shortly after watching that one we watched the Night Stalker documentary and honestly thought that one was better. But that could be because much of the Night Stalker story took place in/around San Gabriel Valley, where we live, so it was very interesting to us.
Roger Moore
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
The key with all this stuff is that traditional spring watches are all about show rather than timekeeping. They’re the horological equivalent of competing over who can build the fanciest horse-drawn carriage. They’re beautiful and amazing, and I can understand why people continue to be fascinated by them, but if you want to tell time well you’re better off getting a quartz watch.
Geminid
@Steve in the ATL: I once gave Raffensperger credit for something where it was due, and I remember you jumping in to to explain to me that he was not a good guy. But I knew that already.
I was not surprised, though. I run into this a lot. Many people here are obsessed by the fear that someone else might be thinking better of a Republican politician then merited. If someone doesn’t cuss a Republican out they are considered “gaga” about the politician. That seems kind of insecure to me.
Geminid
@Jackie: I think K. West sent one of his minions to harass the two poll workers.
Ruckus
@JPL:
That would require actual thought and effort.
From Rudy?
See, that goes nowhere.
Ruckus
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
Should’ve gotten paid up front from Trump
Young man, have you learned NOTHING?
Jackie
@Geminid: So did anything come of that? Just wondering with all the Rudy and his henchmen BS, if West was a part of that operation.
Thanks for jogging my memory!
geg6
@UncleEbeneezer:
I’ll Be Gone in the Dark is also excellent. Michelle McNamara was a great writer.
Geminid
@Jackie: I don’t know, but the finding by Georgia officials may help a civil action against West, or at least his representative. This may have been the incident where the two poll workers met the accuser at a police station, I think with their own safety in mind.
kalakal
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
I plead guilty to being a watch freak.
And have quite a few, both mechanical and quartz.
I like NATO straps as they’re
Quartz are obviously more accurate, but I love mechanicals. If you want to save on battery changes the Seiko solars are good as are the Citizen Eco-drives ( there’s others, those are the ones I have experience of).
My favourite beater is a Marathon DSS ( The nearest current model is the M50) It’s tough as boots, has a 10 year battery, excellent lume, the hyper rubber band is great. Mine’s well into its second battery and still working fine.
Like you I think gold on watches looks tacky
Chris T.
Yes, but – was it full of votes?
UncleEbeneezer
@geg6: We enjoyed it. But nowhere near as much as some of our friends who think it is the gold standard of true crime, documentary series’. It’s def good and totally worth watching. But there are others that I think are better. To each their own…
anastasio beaverhausen
They should sue Giuliani for defamation, not that he has any assets left to get.
AM in NC
@UncleEbeneezer: That was a great series, and the contrast with American “true crime” shows was stark. Very non-sensational tone, ZERO mention of the killer’s name, and he was not represented at all on screen, and no replay of the act to pornographize the murder.
Compelling story, writing and acting too.
Pajaro
@anastasio beaverhausen:
They are suing him. He has already been deposed.