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You are here: Home / Civil Rights / LGBTQ Rights / LGBTQ Rights Are Human Rights / Thursday Morning Open Thread: Keep Fighting the Good Fights

Thursday Morning Open Thread: Keep Fighting the Good Fights

by Anne Laurie|  June 22, 20236:27 am| 167 Comments

This post is in: LGBTQ Rights Are Human Rights, NANCY SMASH!, Proud to Be A Democrat, Republican Stupidity

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Nancy still smashin even without the gavel. https://t.co/p4Ibbkp6ze

— Ragnarok Lobster (@eclecticbrotha) June 21, 2023


Jennifer Bendry, at HuffPost:

… “Today we are on the floor of the House, where the other side has turned this chamber ― where slavery was abolished, where Medicare and Social Security and everything were instituted ― they’ve turned it into a puppet show,” Pelosi said on the House floor. “And you know what? The puppeteer, Donald Trump, is shining a light on the strings.”

“You look miserable,” the California Democrat added with a smile, turning to the GOP side of the chamber. “You look miserable.”…

It was a somewhat rare appearance from Pelosi, who has mostly become a backbencher and is otherwise living her best life since stepping back from her decadeslong leadership post last year.

But when she emerged on the House floor on Wednesday, all smiles and ready to ridicule the GOP stunt, it was as if she’d never left.

Pelosi said the only advantage to Republicans trying to punish Schiff is that “instead of reversing what we did on the [Inflation Reduction Act] to save the planet or reversing what we did to reduce the cost of prescription drugs, you’re wasting time.”…

The Lord spoke to me very audibly… Let Love Lead.

CNN's @abroaddus takes a look at a Christian family’s journey to accept their trans daughter pic.twitter.com/8OK62S8bxf

— The Lead CNN (@TheLeadCNN) June 21, 2023

Today, I proudly joined Congressional Democrats to reintroduce our #EqualityAct, which would strengthen the Civil Rights Act by prohibiting discrimination in public accommodations on the basis of sex and gender identity.

We must make these protections for LGBTQ+ Americans law. pic.twitter.com/dQ2KSmg6Q3

— Nancy Pelosi (@SpeakerPelosi) June 21, 2023

If it weren’t for hypocrisy, the GOP would have no ethos at all!

Stamps are cool but also voting rights are coolhttps://t.co/tYEEBzuU6l pic.twitter.com/b0GfuJR0aD

— Jennifer Bendery (@jbendery) June 22, 2023

I would dearly love to make this election a fight over how much Joe Biden loves his screwup son https://t.co/rwMjAX9T9A

— chatham harrison is tending his garden (@chathamharrison) June 21, 2023

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  1. 1.

    Baud

    June 22, 2023 at 6:30 am

    I’m not a criminal but Joe Biden doesn’t love me as much as he loves his son. How is that fair, Democrats???!!!

  2. 2.

    Baud

    June 22, 2023 at 6:37 am

    The Republican House is giving an in-kind contribution to Schiff’s Senate campaign.

    I look forward to the Democratic House nullifying yesterday’s calumny in 2025.

  3. 3.

    Anne Laurie

    June 22, 2023 at 6:38 am

    @Baud: I’m not a criminal but Joe Biden my father doesn’t love me as much as he loves his son. How is that fair, Democrats???!!!

    Fixed, for Don Jr and a boatload of his fellows whining on social media.

    Guys, the fact that your father is an inadequate parent and you’re emotionally stunted man-babies is not Joe Biden’s fault!

  4. 4.

    Baud

    June 22, 2023 at 6:41 am

    @Anne Laurie:

    Don Jr. is probably a criminal though. He’s just not a convicted criminal.

    ETA: Although that’s not why Trump doesn’t love him.

  5. 5.

    Lapassionara

    June 22, 2023 at 6:45 am

    I have managed to avoid knowing the reason the R’s voted to censure Schiff.

  6. 6.

    Baud

    June 22, 2023 at 6:46 am

    @Lapassionara:

    Feeding the base, mostly. But the stated reason is that Schiff went after Trump for his crimes.

  7. 7.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    June 22, 2023 at 6:49 am

    @Lapassionara: He forgot to return some books to the library

  8. 8.

    Geminid

    June 22, 2023 at 6:50 am

    @Baud: Don Jr. is likely violating the federal prohibition on possessing firearms while an illegal drug user. A lot of people are.

  9. 9.

    Baud

    June 22, 2023 at 6:55 am

    @Geminid:

    For people upset about the pace of DOJ’s actions against Trump, this dumbass investigation of Hunter Biden took five years!

  10. 10.

    Roger Moore

    June 22, 2023 at 6:59 am

    @Baud: ​
    Never forget that the right treats being a criminal as a matter of identity, not behavior. BIPOC, other than the occasional “good ones”, are criminals because that’s the way the right wingers see them; whether they’ve been convicted, or even accused, of a crime is a technicality. On the other hand, those right wingers are not criminals no matter how much time they’ve spent in prison. You can see this with how incensed January 6th rioters are about being treated like criminals just because they’ve been convicted of crimes.

  11. 11.

    Roger Moore

    June 22, 2023 at 7:00 am

    @Lapassionara:

    It’s pure retaliation for his role in Trump’s impeachments.

  12. 12.

    Rusty

    June 22, 2023 at 7:01 am

    This weekend I was at the beach and an older guy with a graying beard and a beer gut was wearing a shirt that said “There are two genders”.  I wanted to go up and ask him which one was he, but in a rare moment of self-restraint I let it go.  I’m glad we are on the good side of this fight.

  13. 13.

    Tony Jay

    June 22, 2023 at 7:01 am

    @Anne Laurie:

     

      Mister Biden, Tear Down That Emotional Wall! – By D Brooks

    With his addict son’s crimes monopolising his attention, is Joe Biden failing America by not reaching out and hugging an increasingly fractured and needy Republican Party?

     

    “Now, as any of my wives could tell you, I’m an empathetic fellow, and though his increasingly statist policies aren’t exactly to my taste, until quite recently I’ve never found cause to doubt that Joe Biden’s big smile and love of a homely anecdote were as much part of the man’s inherent nature as his keen political antennae and distaste for spreading democracy abroad…”

  14. 14.

    mrmoshpotato

    June 22, 2023 at 7:03 am

    @Anne Laurie:

    Fixed, for Don Jr and a boatload of his fellows whining on social media. 

    Guys, the fact that your father is an inadequate parent and you’re emotionally stunted man-babies is not Joe Biden’s fault!

    LOL!  And fuck ’em!

  15. 15.

    Baud

    June 22, 2023 at 7:03 am

    @Roger Moore:

    Very good point.

  16. 16.

    lowtechcyclist

    June 22, 2023 at 7:04 am

    @Baud:

    For people upset about the pace of DOJ’s actions against Trump, this dumbass investigation of Hunter Biden took five years!

    Investigations take longer when you can’t find evidence of any real crimes, but you insist on investigating anyway.

  17. 17.

    rikyrah

    June 22, 2023 at 7:04 am

    Good Morning, Everyone😊😊😊

  18. 18.

    mrmoshpotato

    June 22, 2023 at 7:04 am

    @Lapassionara: Because they all suck bags of horse anuses.

  19. 19.

    Baud

    June 22, 2023 at 7:07 am

    @rikyrah:

    Good morning.

  20. 20.

    Baud

    June 22, 2023 at 7:08 am

    @lowtechcyclist:

    The absence of evidence just proves the extent of the cover up.

  21. 21.

    mrmoshpotato

    June 22, 2023 at 7:09 am

    @lowtechcyclist: Isn’t it about time for them to make up another imaginary, dead informant?

  22. 22.

    Baud

    June 22, 2023 at 7:10 am

    @mrmoshpotato:

    Things were so much simpler when they could just claim that the information came from God.

  23. 23.

    Baud

    June 22, 2023 at 7:13 am

    @Rusty:

    “There are four lights!”

  24. 24.

    Princess

    June 22, 2023 at 7:13 am

    They had a really great informant. You don’t know her. She lives in Canada.

  25. 25.

    Baud

    June 22, 2023 at 7:17 am

    @Princess:

    I don’t have a picture of my informant but trust me she’s hot.

  26. 26.

    Narya

    June 22, 2023 at 7:17 am

    @Rusty: I always want to ask how they classify people who are intersex.

  27. 27.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    June 22, 2023 at 7:21 am

    How do they know their “informant” is dead if they can’t find him?

  28. 28.

    Baud

    June 22, 2023 at 7:22 am

    @David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch:

    The kid in The Sixth Sense told them.

  29. 29.

    Matt McIrvin

    June 22, 2023 at 7:23 am

    @Narya: The response to bringing up intersex people is usually something along the lines of “They’re people who have a terrible, tragic disorder, and it’s distasteful of you to use them to make your political point.”

  30. 30.

    MomSense

    June 22, 2023 at 7:25 am

    @Rusty:

    It would be easier to just point and mock at them except that now they have bought in to this absolutely disgusting libel that somehow they have to take this stance to protect children.  It doesn’t matter that this new rainbow scare is devoid of any bases in fact or data.  The GOP checked ending Roe off their list and they need a new crusade.

  31. 31.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    June 22, 2023 at 7:25 am

    @Rusty: I’m sure he spells 2 – too

  32. 32.

    Baud

    June 22, 2023 at 7:25 am

    @Narya:

    @Matt McIrvin:

    How do intersex people view themselves when it comes to gender? I honestly don’t know.

  33. 33.

    Narya

    June 22, 2023 at 7:27 am

    @Matt McIrvin: as opposed to them being part of the glorious variety of the human experience? Oh wait, that would require an appreciation of glorious variety…

  34. 34.

    Narya

    June 22, 2023 at 7:30 am

    @Baud: it varies, is my understanding, and the recognition that I is part of the lgbtqia acronym provides space for them.

  35. 35.

    Matt McIrvin

    June 22, 2023 at 7:33 am

    @Baud: My impression is that it’s all over the place, but many whose genitals were surgically “fixed” as small children, and who were arbitrarily raised as whichever gender was surgically more convenient, have never identified as that gender and object to that having been done to them.

  36. 36.

    Betty Cracker

    June 22, 2023 at 7:39 am

    A few moments ago, I caught a glimpse of a large object moving fast along the shoreline in front of our house. I stood up for a better view in time to see that it was a deer, and at that moment, it tripped over the nylon strap that connects our little boat to a post onshore and fell to the ground. It got up and tried to jump over the fence that keeps the dogs away from the river, but it failed to clear the fence and bounced back on its ass next to the boat. Then it regrouped and continued running along the shoreline. The dogs are going ape-shit! I hope the deer is okay. It seemed in a panic.

  37. 37.

    twbrandt

    June 22, 2023 at 7:40 am

    I have a feeling that if the father in the story of the Prodigal Son were a republican, he’d throw the kid out on his ass when he returned.

  38. 38.

    brantl

    June 22, 2023 at 7:44 am

    @Baud: No , the stated reason is that Adam Schiff supposedly lied that STrumpy did those things, when of course Schiff didn’t lie.

  39. 39.

    Matt McIrvin

    June 22, 2023 at 7:45 am

    @Narya: I do think that the traditional treatment of intersex kids–to surgically refashion their genitals, maybe hormonally treat them and effectively choose a gender for them–implies that all people are inherently genderfluid enough that they’ll just roll with that treatment and happily accept whichever gender they’re raised as (which, as far as I can tell, is false).

    And it’s mightily strange that an ideology that emphasizes huge essential differences between men and women will just endorse that in this case, but refuse to accept trans people as the gender they say they are though they pursue a similar course of action–but voluntarily. The threat seems to be the idea that what the person in question thinks and consents to actually matters.

  40. 40.

    raven

    June 22, 2023 at 7:45 am

    @Betty Cracker: A person at the dog park was telling me about a deer attacking her dog and, sure enough, there are a number of YouTube vids showing deer-dog assaults!

  41. 41.

    tobie

    June 22, 2023 at 7:47 am

    @Baud: Joy Reid said last night that the only reason she’s not despairing about Trump seeing justice can be summed up in two words: Fani Willis. No insult to Willis, but she’s been working on the GA false electors case longer than Garland. She started before he was confirmed. This stuff takes time.

  42. 42.

    tobie

    June 22, 2023 at 7:50 am

    @Betty Cracker: Was your boat unmoored? What a scene. And here I thought deer were unfailingly graceful.

  43. 43.

    Anyway

    June 22, 2023 at 7:52 am

    Stamps are cool but voting rights are cooler

    oh, snap. Take that Qevin!  (sadly this only resonates with our base. That vast majority of Rs and Lamestream media don’t get it.)

  44. 44.

    narya

    June 22, 2023 at 7:53 am

    @Matt McIrvin: There was a huge case in the 60s or 70s–a circumcision gone very wrong–where a researcher tried to make the claim that the child could be raised as a girl, etc. etc, because gender could be “assigned.”  Did NOT work–he eventually found out what happened to him, identified as a man, etc. Partly as a result of that, the more common experience these days, I believe, is that parents are encouraged to, essentially, do nothing, not least because the genitalia in question may change at puberty, thereby allowing the person to figure out their own identity

    ETA: and I take your other point as well. I’m gonna go back to recommending an appreciation of the glorious variety . . . though I know it won’t be successful w/ the folks you point out.

  45. 45.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 22, 2023 at 7:54 am

    @raven: I’ve rea stories of people being attacked by deer. Most animals will if they think they are cornered.

  46. 46.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    June 22, 2023 at 7:56 am

    I’m making up a new game–Parody or Trump. Which one is this?

    “Congress will hopefully now look at the ever continuing Witch Hunts and ELECTION INTERFERENCE against me on perfectly legal Boxes, where I have no doubt that information is being secretly ‘planted’ by the scoundrels in charge, the Perfect Phone Calls (Atlanta), the illegal DOJ/Pomerantz/Manhattan D.A. Hoax, where virtually EVERYONE agrees THERE IS NO CASE, and the NYSAG SCAM, where I have proven beyond a doubt that there is no case, but have a hostile Judge who should not be on this case!”

  47. 47.

    Anyway

    June 22, 2023 at 7:56 am

    @Baud:

    How do intersex people view themselves when it comes to gender? I honestly don’t know.

    Time to plug one of my favorite books -Middlesex-. Read it a while back but if memory serves it would hold up well in the current climate.

  48. 48.

    hells littlest angel

    June 22, 2023 at 7:56 am

    Logan Roy is who Republicans think of when they think of a good father.

  49. 49.

    Anyway

    June 22, 2023 at 7:59 am

    Has the Biden administration banned gas stoves? Had dinner with friends last night one of whom was visiting from Texas and this was the rumor/scare at the table…

  50. 50.

    Kristine

    June 22, 2023 at 8:06 am

    @Matt McIrvin:

    And it’s mightily strange that an ideology that emphasizes huge essential differences between men and women will just endorse that in this case, but refuse to accept trans people as the gender they say they are though they pursue a similar course of action–but voluntarily. The threat seems to be the idea that what the person in question thinks and consents to actually matters.

    One reason I’ve seen given is that “God doesn’t make mistakes.” Not sure how that explains intersex folks who are “fixed” after birth unless God somehow gets distracted during the decision-making process and lets the occasional one slip through mid-determination.

  51. 51.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    June 22, 2023 at 8:07 am

    @Anyway: Here’s what Snopes says:

    The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC), a federal agency, is not currently considering a ban on gas stoves, though a commissioner said “anything is on the table” if they can’t be made safer, due to concerns over harmful indoor pollutants that cause health and respiratory problems. Numerous cities and counties have already enforced policies requiring a shift from fossil fuel-powered buildings. The CPSC also said that no regulatory guidelines are currently in place and adding any would “involve a lengthy process.”

  52. 52.

    Kay

    June 22, 2023 at 8:09 am

    Pelosi is right that they look miserable. A miserable, whining group of people.

  53. 53.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 22, 2023 at 8:10 am

    Only 18% of 2016 leave voters believe Brexit has been a success, according to polling for the thinktank UK in a Changing Europe – but 61% think it will turn out well in the end.

    Seven years on from the referendum campaign, the pollsters Public First asked more than 4,000 leavers how they felt now about Brexit. Less than a fifth of them – 18% – said it had gone well, or very well, while 30% said it had gone neither well nor badly, and 26% said it was still too soon to say.

    With inflation stuck at historic highs and GDP stagnating, economists have increasingly warned about the continuing impact of Brexit on trade and investment. Less than a third of the leave voters polled (29%) believe Brexit has had a negative economic impact, however.

    Among those leavers who believe Brexit has not gone well, many blame politicians for handling it badly – a narrative espoused by the former Ukip leader Nigel Farage, who recently claimed that “Brexit has failed”. In this group, 70% said Brexit could have gone well, and almost half (48%) believe that politicians could have made it work but did not even try.

    Like conservatism in the US, Brexit can never fail, it can only be failed.

  54. 54.

    mrmoshpotato

    June 22, 2023 at 8:12 am

    @David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch:

    How do they know their “informant” is dead if they can’t find him? 

    They were visited by his ghost?

  55. 55.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 22, 2023 at 8:13 am

    @Kristine:

    “God doesn’t make mistakes.”

    To which I can’t help replying, “What’s his excuse for you?”

  56. 56.

    Anyway

    June 22, 2023 at 8:13 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Thanks! Will send that to my friend.

  57. 57.

    ETtheLibrarian

    June 22, 2023 at 8:14 am

    I think the right is so het up about how the Hunter Biden thing has played out because

    1. He didn’t get a Big Sentence because
    2. This was never as big a deal as they wanted their voters to think and because
    3. They know that tRump would have intervened earlier and this would have never gone as far as it did and
    4. That Biden didn’t makes them look bad in comparison and after all that
    5. They know that tRump would have pardoned his children and Republicans would have given it a greenlight and
    6. That Biden didn’t makes them look bad in comparison because even they know this isn’t as big a deal as they bleat about and that President Biden handled it was as well as could be expected and
    7. They can see Biden loves his son and knows tRump doesn’t love anyone but himself… including his children
  58. 58.

    mrmoshpotato

    June 22, 2023 at 8:17 am

    @twbrandt:

    I have a feeling that if the father in the story of the Prodigal Son were a republican, he’d throw the kid out on his ass when he returned. 

    Yup.  Also, Rethuglican Jesus would’ve told the moneylenders to raise their rates.

  59. 59.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 22, 2023 at 8:18 am

    Did not have this one on my 2023 Headline Bingo card:

    Invasion of giant African land snails prompts quarantine in south Florida

    (actually not at all funny, but I still have to stifle a giggle)

    eta: why does God hate Florida so much?

  60. 60.

    mrmoshpotato

    June 22, 2023 at 8:19 am

    @Anyway: 🙄🤪

    Nope.  No one stole my stove in the middle of the night.

  61. 61.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    June 22, 2023 at 8:20 am

    @mrmoshpotato: Only if they flew him to Alaska for a fishing trip.

  62. 62.

    mrmoshpotato

    June 22, 2023 at 8:20 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: What happened to the murder hornets?

  63. 63.

    Betty Cracker

    June 22, 2023 at 8:21 am

    @raven: Dang! My dogs are both ~25 lbs., so a deer could totally kick their asses. They were inside when this incident occurred, but they could see the deer and were barking their heads off. We see plenty of deer on the road out of these woods, but never one in our yard!

    @tobie: The strap held, so I didn’t have to chase the boat down, whew! It’s one of those thick nylon straps with a big clip that attaches to the boat and with a crank attached to a post on shore, like the setup on a boat trailer, so it’s super sturdy. It has to be for all the storms we get!

  64. 64.

    Spanky

    June 22, 2023 at 8:24 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    why does God hate Florida so much?

    We all know what it did.

  65. 65.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 22, 2023 at 8:27 am

    @mrmoshpotato: Still out prowling the streets in search of hapless victims with heads in need of being ripped off.

  66. 66.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 22, 2023 at 8:29 am

    @Spanky: ​ Elect DeSantis as Guv?

  67. 67.

    Betty Cracker

    June 22, 2023 at 8:35 am

    I got a weird letter in the mail yesterday from a religious fanatic who evidently Googled me so he could personally respond to a letter to the editor I wrote. My husband found it worrisome and says maybe I should use my initials so weirdos can’t clock me as female, but I think he’s overreacting.

    The person who wrote didn’t identify himself, but the envelop was postmarked in an area that’s about 100 miles from where we live. The letter wasn’t at all threatening — just aggressively proselytizing, and it included a couple of religious tracts and instructions on how to tune in to a Christian radio station in our area. People are weird.

  68. 68.

    Another Scott

    June 22, 2023 at 8:40 am

    @Anyway: A simple Google search would tell your friends that, no, that hasn’t happened.

    Your friends needs better information sources.

    HTH!

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  69. 69.

    Frankensteinbeck

    June 22, 2023 at 8:42 am

    @Roger Moore:

    Never forget that the right treats being a criminal as a matter of identity, not behavior.

    Every word of this comment is correct.  They’re the good guys, we’re the bad guys.  Their actions must be good, ours must be evil.  Their beliefs must be right, ours must be wrong.  Facts are irrelevant and facts that prove them wrong must be lies.  And so on…

    @hells littlest angel:

    Logan Roy is who Republicans think of when they think of a good father.

    Personally, I am reminded of the old, old space opera book series Lensman.  The writer was obviously conservative.  A consistent theme was the best leaders being feared by their men, but also respected and those men would do anything for him.  All love is tough love, making the lovee suffer so they’ll grow.

    That is, between men.  Women are inherently gentler and… well, anyway, you get the idea.

  70. 70.

    Scout211

    June 22, 2023 at 8:47 am

    The “party of George Santos” 🤣  

    This phony ploy to punish Adam Schiff for speaking truth to power is pathetic and beneath this body.Coming from the party of George Santos, the Republicans should instead focus their attention inward rather than promote more lies about honorable public servants. pic.twitter.com/rBcsQHcq4s— Rep. Dan Goldman (@RepDanGoldman) June 21, 2023

  71. 71.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 22, 2023 at 8:47 am

    @Betty Cracker: Trying to save your soul, would be my guess.

  72. 72.

    Ken

    June 22, 2023 at 8:52 am

    @Baud: The absence of evidence just proves the extent of the cover up.

    Hunter Biden’s laptop has the files on Area 51.

  73. 73.

    Betty Cracker

    June 22, 2023 at 8:52 am

    Dang, did y’all see Rep. Schiff interrogate Trump’s special counsel John Durham in a hearing yesterday? No wonder Repubs censured Schiff; he absolutely beclowned that hack.

  74. 74.

    MisterDancer

    June 22, 2023 at 8:52 am

    @narya: Partly as a result of that, the more common experience these days, I believe, is that parents are encouraged to, essentially, do nothing, not least because the genitalia in question may change at puberty, thereby allowing the person to figure out their own identity

    Coincidentally, I’m reading a work on how Intersexed people were seen by Islamic jurists and doctors over the centuries. I will say the situations documented in the sources quoted are far more nuanced and complex a set of rulings and medical practices than we’d assume from how we talk about Islamic cultures today — including, at times, just going with “whatever the person says their gender is”.

    Or, for that matter, how our media talks about the topic, to be frank.

    This isn’t a “they did it better back then/over there” bit; I’m learning how bad a black hole trying to compare cultures and gender understandings can be! But yeah, it would really behoove a lot of people who think they know some shit to try reading up on a lot of the more current historical research; the above really does align well with what we, here in the West, consider an oddity — that Iran is, it seems, a key place to get gender reassignment surgeries:

    Iran is the only Islamic country where the sex reassignment surgery (SRS) is recognized. Many European citizens travel to this Middle East country for gender confirmation and reassignment surgery. The Guardian wrote “Today, the Islamic Republic of Iran occupies the unlikely role of global leader for sex change” (2). Hence, Iran can be called the hell of homosexuals and the paradise of Trans seeking SRS.

  75. 75.

    WaterGirl

    June 22, 2023 at 8:53 am

    @Baud: Hey, it takes a long time to find almost nothing!

  76. 76.

    Baud

    June 22, 2023 at 8:54 am

    @Betty Cracker:

    Glad to hear he learned something from his interactions with us jackals.

  77. 77.

    mrmoshpotato

    June 22, 2023 at 8:58 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Must be some size hornets!

  78. 78.

    Betty Cracker

    June 22, 2023 at 8:59 am

    @MisterDancer: That’s unexpected!

  79. 79.

    mrmoshpotato

    June 22, 2023 at 8:59 am

    @Betty Cracker: Slapped Durham with his own bones, did he?

  80. 80.

    UncleEbeneezer

    June 22, 2023 at 9:05 am

    @Betty Cracker: I needed a cigarette after that.  Like Daniel Goldman, Schiff is SO GOOD in that position.  He really exposed what partisan hack Durham is.

  81. 81.

    Scout211

    June 22, 2023 at 9:06 am

    The GOP presidential field is getting crowded.

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Former Texas congressman Will Hurd, a onetime CIA officer and fierce critic of Donald Trump, announced on Thursday that he’s running for president, hoping to build momentum as a more moderate alternative to the Republican primary field’s early front-runner.

    Hurd, who made the announcement on CBS, served three terms in the House through January 2021, becoming the chamber’s only Black Republican during his final two years in office.

  82. 82.

    Baud

    June 22, 2023 at 9:07 am

    Fair warning: Lots of bad Supreme Court decisions expected today and tomorrow.

  83. 83.

    Ken

    June 22, 2023 at 9:07 am

    @Betty Cracker: And now the Republicans are accusing Durham of being part of the cover-up.

  84. 84.

    Baud

    June 22, 2023 at 9:09 am

    @Scout211:

    Just what the GOP base is demanding: a moderate black nominee.

    (I have not researched whether he can accurately be described as a moderate.)

  85. 85.

    Scout211

    June 22, 2023 at 9:09 am

    Another legal win, this time in Florida.

    TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — A federal judge on Wednesday struck down Florida rules championed by Gov. Ron DeSantis restricting Medicaid coverage for gender dysphoria treatments for potentially thousands of transgender people.
     
    “Gender identity is real” and the state has admitted it, U.S. District Judge Robert Hinkle wrote in a 54-page ruling.

    He said a Florida health code rule and a new state law violated federal laws on Medicaid, equal protection and the Affordable Care Act’s prohibition of sex discrimination.
     
    They are “invalid to the extent they categorically ban Medicaid payment for puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones for the treatment of gender dysphoria,” Hinkle wrote.
     
    The judge said Florida had chosen to block payment for some treatments “for political reasons” using a biased and unscientific process and that “pushing individuals away from their transgender identity is not a legitimate state interest.”

  86. 86.

    NotMax

    June 22, 2023 at 9:10 am

    We have (too many) Axis deer on Maui.

    You can spot them by the armbands.

    (Preceding sentence not meant to be true.)

  87. 87.

    Geminid

    June 22, 2023 at 9:13 am

    Putting the “H” in Big Gretch.

    From Michigan Live:

        Norwegian company Nel Hydrogen will build a $400 million “giga factory” in Michigan to manufacture equipment that produces hydrogen fuel, Governor Whitmer announced Wednesday.

    Governor Whitmer met with Nel executives while on a January trade mission to Europe. Nel Hydrogen CEO Hakon Holldal said his company chose Michigan because of:

    “access to a highly skilled workforce and cooperation with universities, research centers and strategic partners.

    I will also highlight the personal engagement of Gov. Whitmer and her competent and serviceminded staff.”

    @mlive May 3, 2023

    The factory’s location is to be determined.

    Like the electrolyser production facility that recently began operating at a Cummins Energy plant in Fridley Minnesota, the projected Nel Hydrogen plant was spurred by provisions in the IRA bill enacted last August.

  88. 88.

    Baud

    June 22, 2023 at 9:13 am

    @Geminid: 👍

  89. 89.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 22, 2023 at 9:15 am

    @Scout211: Good news indeed.

  90. 90.

    Geminid

    June 22, 2023 at 9:20 am

    @Scout211 My recollection is that Will Hurd and fellow Congressman Beto O’Rourke made some news when they drove from Texas to DC together in 2017. I think Hurd lost his purple-district seat the year after.

  91. 91.

    Baud

    June 22, 2023 at 9:22 am

    @Geminid:

    If he carpooled with Beto he’s definitely a moderate.

  92. 92.

    Ken

    June 22, 2023 at 9:24 am

    @Geminid: access to a highly skilled workforce and cooperation with universities, research centers and strategic partners.

    “And the electrical grid works.”

  93. 93.

    Soprano2

    June 22, 2023 at 9:25 am

    @lowtechcyclist: That was my thought, they drew it out hoping to find something, anything to “get” him with. They did the same thing to Bill Clinton.

  94. 94.

    Betty Cracker

    June 22, 2023 at 9:25 am

    @UncleEbeneezer: Goldman is excellent on the committees too! I was especially impressed with how he took Matt Taibbi and the other “Twitter files” hack apart.

    @Scout211: Fantastic news!

  95. 95.

    Kathleen

    June 22, 2023 at 9:28 am

    @Baud: If Joe Biden were serious about healing the country he would adopt Donald Trump Jr.

  96. 96.

    Geminid

    June 22, 2023 at 9:28 am

    @Baud: The role of hydrogen in the clean energy transition is still hotly debated, but the IRA ensures that for better or for worse, companies will be investing a lot in US hydrogen production and use. Cummings Energy is one of many companies ramping up production of fuel cell power trains for heavy trucks and buses. Those may be a significant part of our transport mix ten years from now.

  97. 97.

    Ken

    June 22, 2023 at 9:29 am

    @Kathleen: I think “You broke it, you bought it” applies there.

  98. 98.

    Steeplejack

    June 22, 2023 at 9:30 am

    Someone did this to Donald Trump’s star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.

    pic.twitter.com/hYODCOfZBq

    — Mike Sington (@MikeSington) June 22, 2023

  99. 99.

    Soprano2

    June 22, 2023 at 9:31 am

    @Kay: Being angry and offended all the time, and knowing the majority of the world doesn’t think like you do anymore, would tend to make one miserable.

  100. 100.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 22, 2023 at 9:31 am

    @Soprano2: ​ And Hillary.

  101. 101.

    Soprano2

    June 22, 2023 at 9:32 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Yep.

  102. 102.

    mrmoshpotato

    June 22, 2023 at 9:33 am

    @Ken:

    And now the Republicans are accusing Durham of being part of the cover-up. 

    C’mon man!  It’s too early for my eyes to roll out of my head.

  103. 103.

    James E Powell

    June 22, 2023 at 9:33 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    why does God hate Florida so much?

    I think it goes back to 2000.

    Related thing. I’m pretty sure it was somebody here – sorry I don’t remember – who linked this Anatomy of a Murder – How the Democratic Party Crashed in Florida. It was very interesting.

    I’d like to read a similar insider analysis of what happened in my beloved home state of Ohio.

  104. 104.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 22, 2023 at 9:33 am

    @Soprano2: They kept making smoke saying, “See? There must be fire!”

  105. 105.

    Ken

    June 22, 2023 at 9:34 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: And we all know what that smoke is blowing out of.

  106. 106.

    UncleEbeneezer

    June 22, 2023 at 9:35 am

    Foe anyone interested, here is Schiff absolutely tearing Durham a new a-hole…

  107. 107.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 22, 2023 at 9:35 am

    @Steeplejack: ROFLMAO.

  108. 108.

    Geminid

    June 22, 2023 at 9:35 am

    @Betty Cracker: I liked how Goldman shut down Marjorie Greene once.

    Greene: “Point of Personal Inquiry!”

    Goldman: “There is no such thing.”

  109. 109.

    SFAW

    June 22, 2023 at 9:36 am

    @Betty Cracker: ​
     
    You got my letter! Cool.
    Sorry, I should have added “a/k/a SFAW” to my signature, so that you wouldn’t worry.

    Yes, I’m kidding. Getting a letter like that would kinda unnerve me.

  110. 110.

    mrmoshpotato

    June 22, 2023 at 9:36 am

    @Steeplejack: I was hoping someone finally took a jackhammer to it.

  111. 111.

    Ken

    June 22, 2023 at 9:41 am

    @mrmoshpotato: As I only learned recently when Carrie Fisher finally got her star, someone has to pay for them. I wonder who would step up to replace Trump’s, if it were damaged. I can’t see it coming out of his pocket.

  112. 112.

    Soprano2

    June 22, 2023 at 9:42 am

    We’re on our way to St. Louis. They chartered a bus to take us there. Then we fly to New York City, approx. arrival time 6:00. I’m excited! I still have no idea what we’ll do with our free time because hubby doesn’t have the energy he used to. It’s supposed to be rainy, so probably something inside.

  113. 113.

    Lyrebird

    June 22, 2023 at 9:43 am

    @Matt McIrvin: @Narya:

    There’s been years of great work done by the ISNA, and I apologize for the lousy formatting I have done with  their archived homepage below.

    Because of stigma which is perpetuated or even made worse by the hate for trans people, they actually had to form a new organization that doesn’t have “intersex” in the name though.  I hate the haters for making what is already tough even tougher, just to be cruel or to fly their supremacist flag.  On the other hand, I have total respect for dads like Rev. Ontay!

    We have learned from listening to individuals and families dealing with intersex that:

    • Intersexuality is primarily a problem of stigma and trauma, not gender.

    • Parents’ distress must not be treated by surgery on the child.

    • Professional mental health care is essential.

    • Honest, complete disclosure is good medicine.

    • All children should be assigned as boy or girl, without early surgery.

    They provide more detail.  Sometimes people with disorders of sexual development really do benefit from early surgery to correct function, like if there’s no opening for pee to come out that’s a big problem.  And babies born with both overies and testicles are at high risk for cancer in whichever ones don’t seem to be getting used, you don’t want to just leave that tissue lying there ready to get cancerous.

    But the consensus treatment for babies with XXY etc is similar to the best treatment for kids with gender dysphoria, going with what the kids themselves report about their own identities.

  114. 114.

    Kathleen

    June 22, 2023 at 9:44 am

    @Ken: But if Joe REALLY cared…

  115. 115.

    Elizabelle

    June 22, 2023 at 9:46 am

    @Geminid:  Thinking Will Hurd might be raising his hand:  Biden, over here!  Hurd is non-insane, so perhaps he will end up with a good job in the second Biden administration

    Or maybe he’s thinking really long term, and Senate, where he could pick up some Democratic support?

  116. 116.

    mrmoshpotato

    June 22, 2023 at 9:50 am

    @Ken: Someone took a sledgehammer to the Soviet shitpile’s star a few years back.  I doubt the orange shitstain paid to fix it himself.

  117. 117.

    UncleEbeneezer

    June 22, 2023 at 9:52 am

    SCOOP: Jill Stein, the former Green Party candidate for president, is now helping to run Cornel West’s third-party bid with the goal of getting him on the ballot as the Green party candidate in 2024.

  118. 118.

    Ken

    June 22, 2023 at 9:54 am

    @UncleEbeneezer: Pssst! Cornel!! Word to the wise: Daily audits.

  119. 119.

    mrmoshpotato

    June 22, 2023 at 9:54 am

    @Soprano2: Go to the top of the Arch?

  120. 120.

    NotMax

    June 22, 2023 at 9:55 am

    @Ken

    “Restoration funding provided b V. V. Putin.”
    //

    @Soprano2

    NYC = museum central. Both the Museum of Chinese in America and The Tenement Museum (latter requiring a reservation for specific tours) way downtown well worth a visit, Failing that, Museum of Natural History and the Metropolitan museum a cornucopia of endlessly interesting stuff.

  121. 121.

    mrmoshpotato

    June 22, 2023 at 9:57 am

    @UncleEbeneezer: Hahaha!  Of course that grifter trash is!

    Where’s Crayola’s Not Surprised crayon?

  122. 122.

    Elizabelle

    June 22, 2023 at 9:58 am

    @Soprano2:  Have a wonderful trip!

  123. 123.

    NotMax

    June 22, 2023 at 10:09 am

    @mrmoshpotato

    Believe that is included only in the deluxe box (the one with the built-in sharpener).
    ;)

  124. 124.

    sdhays

    June 22, 2023 at 10:11 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Parody. It’s too well written.

  125. 125.

    gvg

    June 22, 2023 at 10:12 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Actually the problem is everything loves Florida too much. They come and want to stay. We have a huge problem and always will with invasive plants and animals. Goes back quite aways. I think Hawaii might have it worse, but not a lot of the rest of the country compares.

    Giant land snails sounds about 20 years ago, sigh. The damned lion fish scare me. Cuban frogs are showing up all over the place. Geckos get in the house. Even the armadillos apparently aren’t native. They walked here from Mexico/Texas. They can hold their breath and walk on river bottoms and have been migrating for decades. They were here before I was born but I have read that they weren’t originally.

    Australian plants, adapted to a low rainfall climate, go crazy here, which is odd. I hear some of ours are bad there too.

  126. 126.

    jonas

    June 22, 2023 at 10:12 am

    @Matt McIrvin: ​
      .

    The threat seems to be the idea that what the person in question thinks and consents to actually matters.

    Well put. The argument seems to be that genitals are dispositive when it comes to gender, but the brain is irrelevant.

  127. 127.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 22, 2023 at 10:17 am

    @Soprano2: Enjoy.

  128. 128.

    jonas

    June 22, 2023 at 10:20 am

    @Betty Cracker: ​
      I forget if it was during Schiff’s questioning or not, but one of the writers over at MJ covering the Durham hearing yesterday pointed out that the jackass outright lied — under oath — on at least two different occasions during that hearing.

  129. 129.

    Soprano2

    June 22, 2023 at 10:20 am

    @mrmoshpotato: Won’t be there long enough for that. Maybe when we go to a Cardinal game later this summer.

  130. 130.

    Roger Moore

    June 22, 2023 at 10:20 am

    @Ken:

    Pssst! Cornel!! Word to the wise: Daily audits.

    Nonsense!  Daily audits will greatly increase the risk of him getting caught.

  131. 131.

    Soprano2

    June 22, 2023 at 10:22 am

    @gvg: There are now armadillos in the MO Ozarks. They weren’t there when I was younger; climate change definitely enabled them to survive our winters.

  132. 132.

    Geminid

    June 22, 2023 at 10:22 am

    @Ken: This move created some controversy within the Green Party world. I ran into it when New York commentator @TomWatson linked to a tweet by former West Virginia Senate candidate Paula Swearingin.

    She was very alarmed by West’s connection to the Movement for a People’s Party (MPP). Greens were warning each other to keep the gropey, grifty MPP chief away from women and campaign funds.

    Some complained that Ms. Stein was already calling West the party’s “presumptive nominee” even though others are vying for the nomination. I got the impression that this may be a takeover of the Greens by the LaRouchites.

  133. 133.

    Cheryl from Maryland

    June 22, 2023 at 10:23 am

    @Betty Cracker:  I received several letters of that type AND phone calls offering Christian counseling after my husband died last year.  I kept my birth name, which was not used in the OBIT etc.  It’s pointless to censor your name as crackpots will find you as they found me.  FYI, nothing happened afterward.  Now all I have to do is continue blocking emails from dating services.

  134. 134.

    Jackie

    June 22, 2023 at 10:23 am

    Only yesterday she stated her constituents expected her to do her duty and vote…

    “Texas state Sen. Angela Paxton, the wife of Attorney General Ken Paxton, is barred from voting in the impeachment trial that could lead to her husband’s permanent removal from office, the Republican-controlled Senate decided Wednesday,” the AP reports.”

  135. 135.

    jonas

    June 22, 2023 at 10:24 am

    @Ken: ​
      Usually a star’s management agency picks up the tab, or a studio looking to promote them in an upcoming movie or something. In Trump’s case, it was probably Mark Burnett’s company. No idea if it was ever replaced. They probably just removed it and replaced the hole in the sidewalk with concrete. Lot cheaper than having to power-wash the urine stains off every day.

  136. 136.

    jonas

    June 22, 2023 at 10:26 am

    @Jackie: ​
      As they say, shamelessness is their superpower.

  137. 137.

    Kay

    June 22, 2023 at 10:27 am

    RFK Jr is dumb and arrogant enough to lie about people who are still around and have the capacity and platform to call out his lies:

    Now, Kennedy insists, as the The New York Times paraphrases him, that “Salon caved to pressure from government regulators and the pharmaceutical industry.” He repeated the false claim in his three-hour podcast conversation with Joe Rogan, another conspiracy loon, rehashing the debunked claims of “Deadly Immunity” and claiming that Salon pulled the piece after “pressure from the pharmaceutical industry.”

    I think RFK Jr. is Trumplike (he even compares his campaign to Trump’s campaign) and I’m starting to think we might have gotten better at spreading the word on the lies – RFK Jr. is being called out immediately.
    Anyway. Good article and good for Joan Walsh for apologizing for helping to spread RFK Jr’s lies at one point. If Republicans and media had done this with Trump we could have avoided the whole Trump disaster.

  138. 138.

    UncleEbeneezer

    June 22, 2023 at 10:28 am

    Two things I learned yesterday:

    1.) The Olympics has allowed Transgender athletes to compete consistent with their gender identity for 20 years.  Not even one has qualified to make it to the Olympics.  The BS worry about Trans Women dominating sports is just that: bullshit.  And people like Martina Navratilova are sickening in their willingness to spread Transphobic non-sense.

    2.) Asshole Joe Rogan, who has been one of the worst offenders in spreading Transphobia takes HRT (Testosterone) himself.  He claims it is only for “health reasons” and not at all related to his obsession with body-building to be a manly man, but I’m not so sure I believe him.  Body-building (and MMA) for Cisgender Men, is about as Gender-Affirming a hobby as it gets.

  139. 139.

    Scout211

    June 22, 2023 at 10:28 am

    I posted yesterday about the former FBI analyst who was convicted of violating the Espionage Act for taking home classified documents and sentenced to prison. What the DOJ press release that I posted didn’t say is this.

    She also kept classified documents in her bathroom.  🤣

    A former FBI intelligence analyst from Dodge City, Kansas, who kept hundreds of classified documents at her home, including in her bathroom, was sentenced to nearly four years in prison by a federal judge in Kansas City on Wednesday for violating the same part of the Espionage Act that former President Donald Trump is accused of breaking.

  140. 140.

    Baud

    June 22, 2023 at 10:30 am

    @Kay:

    and I’m starting to think we might have gotten better at spreading the word on the lies – RFK Jr. is being called out immediately.

     

    I think we’re a lot better than we were pre-Trump. I don’t know what voters will do, but I’m a lot more satisfied with us than I was in the past.

  141. 141.

    rikyrah

    June 22, 2023 at 10:30 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

     

    That’s below our crazyfication number

  142. 142.

    Scout211

    June 22, 2023 at 10:30 am

    @Kay: RFK Jr is dumb and arrogant

    Well, now that he has hooked up with Moms for Liberty, he will be just fine. 🙄

  143. 143.

    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon

    June 22, 2023 at 10:31 am

    @Geminid: a takeover of the Greens by the LaRouchites Russia (again)

  144. 144.

    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon

    June 22, 2023 at 10:33 am

    Fuck Putin, fuck his war.

  145. 145.

    Kay

    June 22, 2023 at 10:36 am

    @Scout211:

    There was some speculation around what DEMOCRATS would do with a Trump-like liar and scammer celebrity candidate  and I think we’re finding out- they expose him. Good job. I’m glad we didn’t all lose our fucking minds like conservatives did.

  146. 146.

    NotMax

    June 22, 2023 at 10:36 am

    @UncleEbeneezer

    Ground floor investor in Tuckum’s proposed nationwide chain of ball-tanning parlors?
    //

  147. 147.

    rikyrah

    June 22, 2023 at 10:38 am

    @ETtheLibrarian:

    You are correct all the way.

    The thing that still is like WTF to me is the right being MAD that President Biden openly loves and supports his son.

    I mean, they are phucking PISSED about it.

     

    You remember when FOX played the voicemail of 46 to Hunter expessing his love and devotion?

    Hannity thought that was a ‘ A HA’ moment..while the rest of the world heard a loving and concerned father.

     

    They are a disturbed bunch

  148. 148.

    Kay

    June 22, 2023 at 10:42 am

    RFK Jr. has the conspiracy theorists innumeracy too. He invents insanely big numbers and attaches them to events, much like Matt Taibbi does (and continued to do in the Twitter files reporting).

    I’m glad they don’t know enough to  get some sense of what a reasonable number might be to include in whatever story they are making up. The tales would be more believable.

  149. 149.

    Jackie

    June 22, 2023 at 10:43 am

    @Scout211: Kind of hard to claim being a Democrat when the Proud Boys join up with Moms for Liberty… RFK Jr needs to out himself:

    https://twitter.com/Levitt_Matt/status/1671512657638088704

  150. 150.

    ...now I try to be amused

    June 22, 2023 at 10:47 am

    @Soprano2:

    Being angry and offended all the time, and knowing the majority of the world doesn’t think like you do anymore, would tend to make one miserable.

    Being a dignity wraith (TM Josh Marshall) in thrall to that ridiculous orange man who will never appreciate what they do in his service will also make one miserable.

  151. 151.

    narya

    June 22, 2023 at 10:54 am

    @rikyrah: Yeah, Chris Hayes played it the other night, and what comes through is love and compassion–and the pain is for his son, not for the “damage” to Joe or Joe’s reputation or politics or any other thing. His first priority is his son.

  152. 152.

    Kay

    June 22, 2023 at 10:54 am

    @…now I try to be amused:

    I think that’s a big part of it too, They’re trapped, they resent being trapped, but they’re too cowardly to stand up to him. They’re disgusted with themselves.

  153. 153.

    Bill Arnold

    June 22, 2023 at 11:02 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:
    You made me cheat! :-) Intuition was correct but didn’t trust it.

  154. 154.

    Geminid

    June 22, 2023 at 11:08 am

    @Formerly disgruntled in Oregon: Howie Hawkins, the retired Teamster who was the Green Party candidate in 2020, is running for next year’s nomination. Hawkins has come out in support of Ukraine, and some people say that is unnacceptable. So there is a Russia angle here.

  155. 155.

    Tony Jay

    June 22, 2023 at 11:09 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    Trick question. Every parody is just something he hasn’t said yet.

  156. 156.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 22, 2023 at 11:09 am

    @rikyrah: ​
    Which just means they aren’t real Amurikans!

  157. 157.

    Gravenstone

    June 22, 2023 at 11:17 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: but 61% think it will turn out well in the end

    File under “whistling past graveyard”.

  158. 158.

    Tony Jay

    June 22, 2023 at 11:21 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    It’s been pointed out that 18% of 52% is around 9%, which is roughly where Nigel Farage’s Reform Party has been averaging in the polls. So those people who are happy with Brexit are likely to be the same unreachable blowhards who think the UKIP/NF/BNP coalition that is the modern Conservative Party is too wishy-washy and Woke when it comes to making the UK a White Free State.

    The rest of them, those Brexidiots who refuse to admit it was a terrible idea from the start and insist that ‘the politicians’ all conspired to kneecap Britain’s Greatness are just in denial. They really do know it was a scam played on them, they’re just too embarrassed and thin-skinned to admit it.

    Never mind. Sir Keir Starmer’s rebranded Corporate Franchise Opportunity Formerly Known As The Labour Party is there for them, promising to ‘Make Brexit Work’ and firmly ruling out even considering a return to the Single Market or Customs Union. So there’s that to look forward to while we gradually sink to official failed state levels of misery and await the much needed Irish-Faeroe Islands intervention of 2030.

  159. 159.

    Paul in KY

    June 22, 2023 at 11:44 am

    @raven: Don’t ever let your dog get near a zebra. My cousin had one one time that he was trying to sell and a prospective buyer (and his dog) came to check it out. My cousin warned him to curb his dog, but the guy (always a guy) said something like ‘ole Shep will be alright’.

    Well, ole Shep made the mistake of getting into the corral with the zebra and it ran over super quick and proceeded to stomp ole Shep into the dust. Was jumping up and down on his body with all 4 feet.

    Sale of zebra not made that day…

  160. 160.

    Paul in KY

    June 22, 2023 at 11:47 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: I’m continuing to dig in this horseshit. There’s got to be a pony in there somewhere!

  161. 161.

    Paul in KY

    June 22, 2023 at 11:48 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: I wonder if you can cook them?

  162. 162.

    Paul in KY

    June 22, 2023 at 11:55 am

    @James E Powell: Boy, that’s depressing.

  163. 163.

    Kay

    June 22, 2023 at 12:12 pm

    Michael Hobbes
    @RottenInDenmark
    @RottenInDenmark
    RFK Jr. says he knows a woman who developed an allergy to wifi and is now leading a movement to remove wifi antennas from schools.
    Rogan: So what do you think wifi is doing to us?
    RFK Jr.: I think it degrades your mitochondria.

    There is so much debunking of Joe Rogan and RFK Jr. going on. I’m so pleased our voters won’t be conned like conservative voters were and are with Trump.

    RFK Jr. does all this name-dropping of scientists and others he has caught in “lies” but his problem is those people are around, you can call and ask them about what RFK Jr. said and they explain how he’s lying. There must be hundreds of hours of recorded RFK jr lies because like all of these people he has a giant ego and never shuts up. It’s like a goldmine.

  164. 164.

    Riodawg

    June 22, 2023 at 12:25 pm

    @Anyway: Such a great novel!

  165. 165.

    Ken

    June 22, 2023 at 12:45 pm

    @Kay: RFK Jr. says he knows a woman who developed an allergy to wifi and is now leading a movement to remove wifi antennas from schools.

    I am not sure which is more disturbing, that he knows all these people who are (IMO) insane, or that he announces this as if it’s something to be proud of.

  166. 166.

    Miss Bianca

    June 22, 2023 at 1:37 pm

    @Riodawg:

    @Anyway:

    Fun fact: I went to high school with Jeff Eugenides, the author of Middlesex. In fact, I used to walk by his house on Middlesex Road in Grosse Pointe Park on occasion. (It was kind of a lengthy walk from my house, but I was quite a walker back in the day.)

    Alas, I’ve never made it all the way through Middlesex – I gave up  somewhere in the middle and never got back to it. I very, very much liked his previous novel, The Virgin Suicides, however.

  167. 167.

    BenCisco 🇺🇸🎖️🖥️♦️

    June 22, 2023 at 2:07 pm

    @Kay:

    Rogan: So what do you think wifi is doing to us?
    RFK Jr.: I think it degrades your mitochondria.

    What a dunce – midichlorians was RIGHT THERE!

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