Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Giving in to doom is how authoritarians win.

Fear or fury? The choice is ours.

Today in our ongoing national embarrassment…

Their boy Ron is an empty plastic cup that will never know pudding.

I see no possible difficulties whatsoever with this fool-proof plan.

Only Democrats have agency, apparently.

rich, arrogant assholes who equate luck with genius

After dobbs, women are no longer free.

… gradually, and then suddenly.

The gop is a fucking disgrace.

Wow, I can’t imagine what it was like to comment in morse code.

I swear, each month of 2025 will have its own history degree.

Every decision we make has lots of baggage with it, known or unknown.

The words do not have to be perfect.

I am pretty sure these ‘journalists’ were not always such a bootlicking sycophants.

Hey hey, RFK, how many kids did you kill today?

Putin must be throwing ketchup at the walls.

I’m more christian than these people and i’m an atheist.

We can’t confuse what’s necessary to win elections with the policies that we want to implement when we do.

Human rights are not a matter of opinion!

“When somebody takes the time to draw up a playbook, they’re gonna use it.”

Optimism opens the door to great things.

The poor and middle-class pay taxes, the rich pay accountants, the wealthy pay politicians.

Republicans do not trust women.

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  3. 3.

    Baud

    That MTG speech is something else.  It’s like she’s triple dog daring the “both sides are the same” crowd to admit their were wrong.

  5. 5.

    SFAW

    Whenever I start thinking there might be a single rational person in the ranks of RWMFs, I only need to read stuff like Levin’s to disabuse myself of that idea.

    Just kidding: I never start thinking that.

  7. 7.

    Chief Oshkosh

    “We are in the midst of a 9-1-1 emergency in our democracy—and I’ve seen it up close.”

    I agree with the great Senator Warnock from the Great State of Georgia.

    But, as someone here says often (Kay? Betty?): Don’t tell me; show me.  If we’re in such an emergency, what is leadership doing about it? As Adam has noted, why are Senate Dems still honoring Republican blue slips? Or, why isn’t there any real discussion of fixing the the SC within the probable lifetimes of our grandchildren? I mean, my gods, why is DeJoy still heading up the USPS? (I know, that last one is almost small ball at this point…)

    Maybe we’re not in a 9-1-1 emergency…

  8. 8.

    narya

    @rikyrah: Good morning!

    I love that he’s using that Marge clip with that simple “I approve” and the shots of all the work he’s doing.

  9. 9.

    OzarkHillbilly

    More storms. Lost power again early this AM… 4 times and counting. Never for more than 5 or 10 seconds, just long enough to make me have to reset all the clocks.

    Blech.

    And to top it all off, our land line telephone which has been dead to us for over a month (with the exception of one 24 hour period) has been ringing off the hook with every other lightening strike.

    Double Blech.

    And I can’t get a cell signal here. If I need to talk to someone I have to drive 6 miles and park underneath a cell tower. If anybody needs to talk to me, they have to drive here.

  11. 11.

    OzarkHillbilly

    Congress must send this bill to my desk.

    HA! What a comedian that guy Joe is.

  12. 12.

    catclub

    @SFAW: Mark Levine is right wing crazy. Matt Levine writes intelligently about finance things.  Do not mix up.

  14. 14.

    Suzanne

    I posted this piece yesterday but it was in a dead thread. Country Music’s Culture Wars and the Remaking of Nashville was really interesting, and it’s nice to see so many artists who many of us deeply enjoy are on the right side of politics.

    If you don’t know Adeem the Artist, give them a listen. I got to see them open for Josh Ritter a couple of months ago and was charmed and impressed.

  15. 15.

    Mousebumples

    Special election in Wisconsin yesterday for State Assembly –

    Waukesha County Dems🇺🇲 (@Waukeshadems) tweeted at 8:51 PM on Tue, Jul 18, 2023:

    While Bob may have come up short. The Waukesha Dems knocked doors and turned out the voters to WIN MENOMONEE FALLS! Huge shout out to the team and volunteers that did this! https://t.co/O8YSViOPMz

    (https://twitter.com/Waukeshadems/status/1681481738340401153?t=bke2wEwTQyrJ3BpV4RXsiw&s=03)

     

    Interested MKE Citizen (@Citizen_MKE) tweeted at 8:53 PM on Tue, Jul 18, 2023:

    Fun fact: Of the 7 municipalities that have voters in the 24th district, Dem Bob Tatterson won 5 of them

     

    8 months ago, Evers did not win a single one.

    (https://twitter.com/Citizen_MKE/status/1681482351996444673?t=f6z98-9I5ZQr6mhclcaR4w&s=03)

    This was the election to replace the Republican who beat Jodi Habush Sinykin for the open State Senate seat. Unsurprisingly, the seat is VERY gerrymandered.

    https://decisiondeskhq.com/election-results-wisconsin-state-assembly-24-special-election/

    Hopefully, the upcoming NEW SUPREME COURT can force fair maps soon. Justice Janet Protasiewicz will be seated on August 1.

    Eta – Results by municipality:

    Grafton Town (R+27)
    Grafton Village (D+ 3 votes, D+0.1)
    Mequon City (D+3)
    Menomonee Falls Village (D+ 9 votes, D+0.4)
    Germantown Town (D+ 3 votes D+6)
    Germantown Village (R+17)
    Port Washington City, where there was previously a 0 voter ward that now has 2 voters, both of whom voted for Tatterson

  16. 16.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    @Chief Oshkosh: I mean, my gods, why is DeJoy still heading up the USPS? (I know, that last one is almost small ball at this point…)

    Depends. Are cute little chicks still dying because you can no longer trust the USPS to get them there on time?

    I wonder this too. I thought the last thing I heard was that there were now enough Democratic votes on the Board of Governors to vote him out. But it seems to me that was at least a year ago. Since then … ?

  17. 17.

    eclare

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    I lost power in Memphis last night around 4:30 AM.  There was an explosion outside my house, I saw green and blue light, and then the power went out.  Still out.  The predicted high today is 97.

    Storms came through earlier last night, around 90k customers without power.

  23. 23.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @eclare: That sounds like a substation lost a critical component. You might be without electricity for a while.

  24. 24.

    Ken

    @Mousebumples: Port Washington City, where there was previously a 0 voter ward that now has 2 voters,

    “And now a word with the man who is at the center of this by-election mystery, the voter himself. And he is a Mr. E. Blackadder…”

  25. 25.

    Anne Laurie

    @eclare: I lost power in Memphis last night around 4:30 AM. There was an explosion outside my house, I saw green and blue light, and then the power went out. Still out. The predicted high today is 97.

    When that happened to us, it was a transformer that had been hit by lightning.  (But then the ruined transformer went up in flames, so the fire department soon showed up, followed by the electrical company worker… in the middle of a hurricane-related downpour.)

    I was given to understand that ‘blown transformers’ are rather more dangerous than just random ‘lost power’ — don’t know if this is universally true, but you might want to communicate the ‘blue light / explosion’ part to whatever drone answers your local power-outage emergency line?

  26. 26.

    Kathleen

    @Baud: First, I can never keep the Naomis straight. Second, IIRC it doesn’t matter because neither of them.

  27. 27.

    There go two miscreants

    @catclub: Kinda like the problem reporter Matt Gertz has. (Also note that it’s Mark Levin and Matt Levine.)

  28. 28.

    NotMax

    Haven’t heard any thunder as yet but we’re socked in courtesy of tropical storm Calvin. Raining and blowing outside pretty intensely. Supposed to move off some time Wednesday night.

    Easy listening: Stormy.

  32. 32.

    eclare

    @Anne Laurie:

    It just doesn’t make sense for a transformer to be where the light was.  And the outage reporting system is automated, no humans.  Been sitting in my car and charging my phone, guess I’ll go back in now.

  34. 34.

    Jeffro

    @Baud: I wish she wasn’t anywhere near our national government, but since she is, I truly appreciate her being out there barking away and highlighting the very real differences.

  35. 35.

    Kay

    Three of the Michigan 16 charged with election fraud are public officials- a mayor, a county clerk and a school board member. Very important we root out those people. I care less about the Republican Party officials.

  36. 36.

    evodevo

    @OzarkHillbilly: Gee…welcome to rural KY – we landliners are on a first name basis with the AT&T repair crews they send out once a month to fix the line where it runs a couple miles through heavy woods.  It clears up when the weather clears, so by the time they get out here, it’s functioning.  Then, as soon as it starts raining, it goes out again…and we call again…and round and round for 35 yrs…

  38. 38.

    Steeplejack

    @Baud:

    keeping track of things with the following rhyme:

    if the Naomi be Klein
    you’re doing just fine
    If the Naomi be Wolf
    Oh, buddy. Ooooof.

    — bela lugosi’s dad (@markpopham) October 23, 2019

  39. 39.

    SFAW

    @catclub:

    Tough to mix them up, since before you mentioned Matt, I hadn’t heard of him.

    ETA: But thanks for the pro tip re: Matt.

  43. 43.

    NotMax

    Freshly found fun fillip. The closing paragraph of an article from 1872 (.pdf file) tickled my fancy.

    By the addition of these two animals to the Menagerie the Zoological Society have now been able to exhibit side by side specimen of four (out the the six certainly known) living species of Rhinoceros—a wonderful advance when we consider that a very few years ago the Indian Rhinoceros unicornis was alone known in Europe in a living state. The two species remaining to be obtained are the Javan Rhinoceros (Rhinoceros sondaicus), a smaller representative of the One-horned Indian, and the White Rhinoceros of Africa (Rhinoceros simus). It need hardly be added that any correspondents of NATURE who may be able to assist in supplying these desiderata will not only be conferring a benefit of science, but will be liberally dealt with by the Council of the Society.

  44. 44.

    Jeffro

    In today’s NYT, Thomas Edsall has a good roundup of recent research into the increasing polarization “calcification” (described as ‘polarization-plus‘) of our politics.

    (Here’s a gift link). It’s called Gut-Level Hatred Is Consuming Our Politics

    Divisions between Democrats and Republicans have expanded far beyond the traditional fault lines based on race, education, gender, the urban-rural divide and economic ideology.
    Polarization now encompasses sharp disagreements over the significance of patriotism and nationalism as well as a fundamental split between those seeking to restore perceived past glories and those who embrace the future.Democrats are determined not only to block any drive to restore the America of 1963 — one year before passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act — but also to press the liberal agenda forward.

    Um, more like ‘press to restore people’s basic rights’, but whatever.

    Toward the end of the 20th century, Republicans moved rightward at a faster pace than Democrats moved leftward. In recent decades, however, Democrats have accelerated their shift toward more liberal positions while Republican movement to the right has slowed, in part because the party had reached the outer boundaries of conservatism.

    Boy howdy, that’s one way to put it!  LOL

    Seriously though: yes, we have shifted left and are now a center-left party instead of centrist mush.  The GOP has jumped off the right side of the boat and is swimming in its own deep ocean of insanity.  But I digress…

    There is a discussion of what one of the researchers call “anti-antiracism” (hmm, is there a simpler name for this, perhaps?) but there is a little bit of a distinction there that’s interesting: anti-antiracism helps the overt racists pull in quieter sympathizers by constantly, loudly, and negatively portraying the efforts of the antiracists while glossing over the efforts of the racists.  ie, what Fox does on a daily hourly by-the-minute basis.  That’s why it’s important to ignore the anti-antiracists and keep pointing out what the racists are up to.

    And finally, there’s one section that notes recent research by some Irish psychologists on how quickly and accurately people pick up on partisan signals.

    The authors demonstrate not only how ingrained polarization has become, but also how attuned voters have become to signals of partisanship and how adept they now are at using cues to determine whether a stranger is a Democrat or Republican.
    “Learning a single attitude (e.g., one’s standpoint toward abortion rights),” they write, “allows people to estimate an interlocutor’s partisan identity with striking accuracy. Additionally, we show that people not only use attitudes to categorize others as in-group and out-group members, but also to evaluate a person more or less favorably.”
    The three conducted survey experiments testing whether Americans could determine the partisanship of people who agreed or disagreed with any one of the following eight statements:

    (you can probably guess what the eight statements involved, right?  abortion rights, guns, welfare, etc)

    The results?
    “Participants were able to categorize a person as Democrat or Republican based on a single attitude with remarkable accuracy (reflected by a correlation index of r = .90).”

    I feel like the Rs are the one who are better at pulling people in based on a single issue, but maybe not.  Thoughts?

  45. 45.

    UncleEbeneezer

    NBC News confirms: Ex-Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey has been cooperating with the Special Counsel’s investigation into efforts to overturn the 2020 election. Reminder: Trump called Ducey after he certified Biden’s 2020 election win in the state.

  46. 46.

    jonas

    Greatest headline ever just spotted over at cnn.com: “Third Indictment of Former President Could Be Deep Stain on His Legacy.”

    Tell me about it. Is *that* ever an embarrassing section of the presidential library to have to curate!

  47. 47.

    SFAW

    @jonas: ​

    Greatest headline ever just spotted over at cnn.com: “Third Indictment of Former President Could Be Deep Stain on His Legacy.”

    Meanwhile, over at the FTFTFNYT: “Liberals Hailing Possible Trump Indictment # [N] as the Justice System ‘Working,’ but Real Americans See it Differently”​
     
    ETA: I’m sure DougJ could do it better, I hope he will. [Not that he hasn’t already, myriad times.]

  48. 48.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @evodevo: Rural Misery ain’t no better.

    Years ago an AT&T tech told us that AT&T sees landlines as an albatross that they just want to shed, that cell phones are where the profits lie. They are doing their damnedest to get rid of u…

    Wait a minute, they already have. I think I’ll call the PSC and file a complaint.

  49. 49.

    NotMax

    @Jeffro

    the liberal agenda

    Momentarily donning my copy editor’s tattered cap, would instantly blue pencil that “liberal” and replace it with “progressive.”

  51. 51.

    SFAW

    @NotMax: ​
     
    “Liberal” is the proper choice. Mainly because it’s so much easier to hate on “L-l-l-l-l-liberals” than on “P-p-p-p-p-progressives.”

  54. 54.

    Mat

    @Spanky:

    So the first two indictments weren’t a stain on his “legacy” Good to know that.

    Well, they only could be. So, that’s an acceptable sentiment.

  55. 55.

    SFAW

    @Spanky:

    Look forward, not backward, libtard!

    Let’s not quibble about who tried to destroy democracy.

    Stop politicizing mass murders committed with guns/It’s too soon to be talking about that stuff.

    We’re a republic, not a democracy.

    NB: Not sure which of the above RWMF standard responses is pertinent to your comment, but one of them probably is.

  56. 56.

    mrmoshpotato

    i’m not really buying your theory that there’s republican DAs all over the country who have held back on prosecuting hillary clinton purely out of respect for norms

    LOL!  I guess they’re all too sick of the years of “Lock her up!” crap to lock her up.

  57. 57.

    Kirk

    @Jeffro:for reference, the right statements are:

     

    • 1) Abortion should be illegal.
    • 2) The government should take steps to make incomes more equal.
    • 3) All unauthorized immigrants should be sent back to their home country.
    • 4) The federal budget for welfare programs should be increased.
    • 5) Lesbian, gay and trans couples should be allowed to legally marry.
    • 6) The government should regulate business to protect the environment.
    • 7) The federal government should make it more difficult to buy a gun.
    • 8) The federal government should make a concerted effort to improve social and economic conditions for African Americans
  58. 58.

    MattF

    Ugh. Nym got damaged, above comment duplicated.
    @Spanky:

    So the first two indictments weren’t a stain on his “legacy” Good to know that.

    Well, they only could be. So, that’s an acceptable sentiment.

  59. 59.

    Geminid

    With vehicle lanes on the Kerch Bridge damaged by a recent mishap involving a Ukrainian sea drone, Russian media have published helpful pointers for tourists returning from Crimea over the northerly overland route. Some excerpts:

    2. Refuel your car and withdraw cash [Note: bandits and soldiers always accept cash!]. Buy plenty of drinking water.

    6. On the way you will meet military checkpoints. Do everything the servicemen say. Do not be rude or push your rights….

    8. A perfectly smooth road has been built from Crimea to the Rostov region.

    9. In Melitopol in the city center, you can have a delicious lunch and withdraw cash [see note at 2].

    10. Your way lies through Melitopol…it is a 400km, 5 or 6 hour drive.

    13. Do not drive at night.

    14. Insurance policies are not valid there.

    15. The road is safe, but be vigilant at all times.

    17. Medical assistance can be sought from military and police [see note at 2].

    18. Do not go into fields or forests….

    19. Be polite and calm. Everything is built on mutual respect and patience in the special military operation zone.

     

  61. 61.

    SFAW

    @Soprano2: ​
     

    Haha, you think TFG is going to have a presidential library!

    It’s at Mar-a-Lardo. Although since Teh Evul Guvmint seized the classified (etc.) doc, the size has been diminished.

  63. 63.

    NotMax

    @Spanky

    “A soak in Poxiclean™ will whitewash those stains. If not, paint over ’em with fake gold lacquer.”
    //

  69. 69.

    Quinerly

    @rikyrah:

    Good morning! If I recall, several weeks back when I was gathering info on surgery for my severe Astigmatism and early cataracts, you were interested in the different lenses and options I was looking into. I went with the “Vivity Lenses.” Had the right eye done Mon.

    Very, very pleased so far. Actually I am amazed. Go back to Albuquerque for the left eye today. Doc is setting up my vision for right eye dominant for distance. He was able to get out almost all of the Astigmatism in the laser surgery and with the lens. We are hoping that I will be back to mono vision (like I had with my Toric contact lenses before the Astigmatism and cataracts got so bad). Read with left eye with no glasses. Distance with my right eye. Worst case scenario, I will have to have Dollar Tree readers. If you want more info, please feel free to get my email from a front pager.

    My only complaint is the state of medical care in my newly adopted state of NM. The doctor who did my surgery is the only doctor in the entire state that does it. I was spoiled in St. Louis with excellent medical care and access. I should have done this before I moved. Would have been less $ out of pocket. At least 12-18 surgeons who do it there.

  70. 70.

    Dangerman

    First coffee on West Coast, but are we saying that MTG is a tool? Seems correct.

    I know her words must be edited and out of context, but how can she say some of those things? Beyond her tool status, I mean. And, as someone that likes tools and finds them useful, I’m changing my mind and no longer calling her a tool. Yes, a quick correction. See coffee comment.

  71. 71.

    NotMax

    BTW, yesterday the jury was empaneled in NY for Michael Cohen’s case suing the Trump Organization.

  74. 74.

    Suzanne

    @UncleEbeneezer: So….. that is why I think Ducey is getting out of politics, for a while at least. The Arizona GOP is still captured by Crazy Kelli Ward and MAGA and he won’t get their support.

    I have been really cautious about getting excited about Gallego’s odds in the Senate race. AZ is a bit of a weird animal….. Registered independents outnumber Dems by a lot. They don’t have a history of working-class union life. They’ve got a large LDS population. The Latino population is large and growing, but is much newer than in New Mexico. The cities are really suburban density and have historically voted that way. And in 2022, non-MAGA Republicans won their races. Lots of factors that make it far from a sure thing for Dems. Purple at best.

    I have been thinking that, at some point, the state GOP would figure out that Trump and MAGA (and Kari Lake and Blake Masters and their type) are bringing them down. A normal evil GOP candidate like Ducey (or Jeff Flake, FFS) has a very strong chance. Better than 50/50, I’d say. But they really are doing their level best to lose elections. Bodes well for Gallego. I’m getting a bit more bullish on his chances.

  75. 75.

    mrmoshpotato

    @NotMax:

    BTW, yesterday the jury was empaneled in NY for Michael Cohen’s case suing the Trump Organization. 

    Rule 1: Stop laughing.

    Rule 2: I know, but please stop rolling your eyes.

    Rule 3: Can you all please sigh silently?

  80. 80.

    NotMax

    @mrmoshpotato

    Rule 4: Pursuant to request by defendant’s counsel, all Snickers will henceforth be removed from court house vending machines for the duration of the trial.
    ;)

  81. 81.

    Captain C

    @Baud:

    That MTG speech is something else.  It’s like she’s triple dog daring the “both sides are the same” crowd to admit their were wrong.

    NYT Editorial Headline:  Earthy MTG Speech Again Proves Both Sides Are Basically the Same, Albeit Republicans Are A Little Better (the question is which hack wrote this or is it an unsigned Editorial)

  82. 82.

    eclare

    Latest from the automated public utility outage system:  needed repairs have been determined, and a crew will be assigned once one is available.

    According to local news contract workers are arriving this morning.

  84. 84.

    kalakal

    I’d like to see more of this Fl Insurance

    kind of thing in our homegrown MSM

    (It’s from the Grauniad). This is normies

    complaining about Fl and how DeStupid is doing nothing about it. The messages that most work with normies is other normies complaining about stuff that directly affects them.  It knocks the stuffing out of

    “Make America like Florida”

  90. 90.

    Cameron

    Today’s lesson in bold governance: in Florida, where the number of COVID cases per population is rising faster than in most of the rest of the country, several counties are trying to make COVID vaccines illegal.  (courtesy Daily Kos)

  91. 91.

    Jackie

    @Dangerman: “I know her words must be edited and out of context”

    Not a single word was edited or taken out of context! This was her speech at a southern GQP convention given this past wknd.

  94. 94.

    eclare

    @Jackie:

    What was the crowd’s reaction when she dissed Medicare and Medicaid?  Gotta think most of the crowd is either on one of them or know people who are.

  98. 98.

    eclare

    @NotMax:

    To be fair the utility does a good job of updating the status of outages.  Usually by now I would have an ETA of when power would be restored, but there are just too many outages from yesterday.

  100. 100.

    BR

    @Suzanne: Is he improving as a candidate? I know his bluntness is his charm but it seems he could use some polish? I haven’t been keeping track.

  101. 101.

    dww44

    @Chief Oshkosh: This morning on the local tv news break the lead off story was that the Sec of State’s office was purging 191K “inactive” voters who have 30 days to respond to a letter being sent to address of record to prevent removal from voter records.  This purge will make Georgia’s voter database among the “cleanest “ in the country.  Voter suppression takes many forms.

  102. 102.

    rikyrah

    @Jeffro:

    Democrats are determined not only to block any drive to restore the America of 1963 — one year before passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act — but also to press the liberal agenda forward.

     

    Well, yeah…of course…

  105. 105.

    Jackie

    @eclare: The audience wasn’t really shown, the applause appeared to be spattered – like they were confused lol

    She honestly thought that labeling Roosevelt’s and LBJ’s and Biden’s achievements as communism she was making a point. The chef’s kiss was the “thank you!” from the WH within a few hours!

    Oddly, MTG has been quiet since 🤭

  109. 109.

    Suzanne

    @BR: His wife just had a baby like two weeks ago, so I think he hasn’t been too out there. I haven’t heard of any recent loudmouth incidents from him.

  110. 110.

    rikyrah

    @jonas:

    Tell me about it. Is *that* ever an embarrassing section of the presidential library to have to curate!

     

    He’s going to steal all the funds for his Presidential Library.

  113. 113.

    rikyrah

    @kalakal:

    complaining about Fl and how DeStupid is doing nothing about it. The messages that most work with normies is other normies complaining about stuff that directly affects them.  It knocks the stuffing out of

    “Make America like Florida”

    This insurance issue is absolutely insane. The numbers are staggering.

     

    And, they would make great ads for Democrats

  114. 114.

    West of the Rockies

    Christ, she has a wretched voice.  Brittle, pissy, vain, and insistent.

  115. 115.

    Roberto el oso

    @Soprano2: Isn’t that what all the classified documents were for? So he could put them on display and share them with all Americans?

    Although a fair number of them would be missing and would have those little signs that museums use: ‘Temporarily On Loan To The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia’, ‘Temporarily On Loan to Vladimir Putin’, etc.

  116. 116.

    Tim Ellis

    Ok how did I not know there were Dark Brandon croptops available until now?! My outfits are about to get even weirder folks, I cannot wait

  117. 117.

    Scuffletuffle

    @eclare: Latest from the automated public utility outage system

    Read that as “outrage” system and it made perfect sense…

  118. 118.

    Subsole

    @rikyrah: The MSM has played a not insubstantial role in my negative polarization. Just the sheer coddling, the pandering indulgence of this movement that constantly yarps about how tough they are…

     

    “Restore”.

    Like it’s a freshly unearthed DaVinci.

    Not “drag”, or “force” or “reduce”, which would be accurate, but “restore”.

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