So this week, Trump was “indicated” and is being arraigned again.
I wonder if it’s a “If it’s Tuesday, this must be Belgium” kind of thing, where he gets confused about whether this is NY or GA or DC and whether it’s Jack Smith or Fani Willis or Alvin Bragg.
With all these charges, I can only imagine the kind of stress a normal person would be under. So I guess my only question is how drugged up is Donald Trump these days? He wouldn’t say “Not Guilty” at one of these; he made his attorney say it. I wonder if he’s worried that his voice would break. Mine surely would!
If there’s a live stream, someone post it, please. I’m not sure anyone can top the “Law and Order” promo with Alvin Bragg, Fani Willis, Jack Smith, etc, but I hope people are trying! Does anyone have the link to that?
Open thread.
Baud
Indicted.
Or maybe contraindicated.
WaterGirl
@Baud: Don’t you remember that Trump wrote on Truth Social that he was “indicated”
Hence my use of quotation marks in the sentence.
Baud
@WaterGirl:
No.
ETA: But thanks for the explanation.
WaterGirl
@Baud: Really? we mocked him mercilessly. In absentia.
Jerry
Indicated and arranged. I don’t think he’s spelled it as “arranged” but give him time
Baud
@WaterGirl:
All the mockery has blurred together in my mind.
WaterGirl
I just saw this as the first hit when I googled “video Trump indictment today”
And I wondered what person in their right mind would want to watch that.
Elizabelle
Indicated and deranged.
Is he in a white Bronco?
Alison Rose
@WaterGirl: Ugh, I’m trying to find it but even putting indicated in quotes, Google still thinks I want indicted
ETA finally!
WaterGirl
@Jerry:
I laughed out loud.
WaterGirl
@Alison Rose: That happened to me, too.
JaySinWA
@WaterGirl: “Right Minded” people, of course. Lefties need not click.
Yarrow
TFG is apparently in the courtroom now.
Roger Moore
My guess is he’s thinking politically. He doesn’t want to say “Not Guilty” because it could, and would, be used endlessly in Joe Biden’s ads. It’s probably also embarrassing as hell, so he wants to make the lawyer do it.
rikyrah
Law and Order dance auditions 😂😂😂
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8LMrSpT/
JoyceH
Got the tv on and it dawns on me that this must be incredibly stressful on Trump – because he has to be there on time!
Alison Rose
@WaterGirl: I finally found an article. Stupid Google.
Baud
@rikyrah:
Heh. You’re going to make me download the TikTok app.
NotMax
“How does the defendant plead?”
“Covfefe. Bigly.”
Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg
My recollection is that we don’t allow kiddie porn people unfettered access to the internet pending trial on their charges. Just sayin’….
LAO
Stupid side note, but in my experience, the lawyer always enters the not guilty plea. Defendants don’t speak at arraignment.
NotMax
Saw where the sheriff of Fulton county made a statement that if Dolt 45 is indicted in the Georgia case, he will be “treated like anyone else” — mugshots and fingerprints.
MattF
WaPo says there is ‘at least one’ Trump supporter at the courthouse.
Baud
@MattF:
Yeah, Donald Trump.
Randal Sexton
here is a msnbc live stream. https://www.livenewsmag.com/msnbc-news-live-stream/
Wyatt Salamanca
@WaterGirl:
I hope one day down the road, you’ll be able to post a thread when Trump finally has to report to prison.
WaterGirl
All hail Steep and his google fu.
West of the Rockies
I often wonder about Trump and stress. 77, 40 lbs overweight, crap diet, minimal cardio, 8 metric tons of weapons-grade stress… and the best health care available. What does it add up to?
Dorothy A. Winsor
I had CNN on for a while, but decided I had better things to do. I am so tired of this man. Even knowing he’s being “arranged” couldn’t keep me watching.
Elizabelle
@JoyceH: And other people are in charge of whether and when he can open his piehole. It must burn.
Moar of this, please.
Elizabelle
@West of the Rockies: A sentence of 20 to life would be nice.
Geo Wilcox
@West of the Rockies: He’s still breathing is what it adds up to, until he isn’t.
NotMax
@West of the Rockies
But- but – a doctor asserted, in writing, he’s the healthiest specimen of humanity who ever has sought, is seeking or will seek the presidency.
trollhattan
@Elizabelle:
For Trump can they make it “life to 20”?
WaterGirl
Since this is an open thread…
Is anyone interested in having some number of soccer threads in the sidebar for the soccer version of “sweet sixteen”, the group of eight, the “final four” and the finals?
Fair Economist
Trump has seemed for a while to have some senility/ early dementia mental issues (e.g. word salad) so I’d expect that he is starting to have trouble keeping up with all his legal trouble.
Wyatt Salmanca
@West of the Rockies:
If Trump were ever sent to prison, I bet he’d be dead within 3 years.
Scout211
Yes. That would be very much appreciated. One for each round would work. Or any way you see fit. Thanks.
cain
The funny thing is that he’s probably really enjoying the attention. The guy is nuts.
As I was saying down post – the day the verdict comes out – and if that’s televised – it will be the most watched thing in the history of watched things – and the man will milk it for all its worth including asking for money.
delphinium
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
So am I-haven’t been watching any of the news about him. Just go the fuck away already. And take all of your America-hating, slavering sycophants with you.
WaterGirl
@Scout211: Can you explain what you mean by this?
Do you mean 8 for the column on the left? Or do you mean one post for all 8 matches in the “sweet 16”?
It seems like all 7 of the matches in the 3 columns on the right deserver their own post. I could do that, but it wouldn’t be filled with soccer-y info, and I would make them ahead of time and put them in the sidebar so you guys could have them at the appropriate times.
Alison Rose
@WaterGirl: That would be cool, yes.
HumboldtBlue
@rikyrah:
That’s great!
Burnspbesq
@LAO:
What’s your view on whether future proceedings should be televised?
different-church-lady
Just realized the reason Trump keeps his mouth shut in a courtroom is because he knows who he can bully and who he can’t.
Old School
Scott MacFarlane on
TwitterX:FLASH: Trump pleads not guilty
Prosecutors will not seek detention of Trump
NotMax
@cain
Except by Fox.
:)
Burnspbesq
@trollhattan:
77 years old and morbidly obese? If he gets 20, the on.y way he leaves is in a box.
WaterGirl
@Old School: From his Twitter feed: (Does re-naming it X have any implications, like filing Chapter 11 for a business?)
LAO
@Burnspbesq: Personally, I think there needs to be transparency. I don’t know if that means a television feed or an audio feed.
What are your thoughts?
Alison Rose
@WaterGirl: I’d presume it means one for each of the four rounds: Round of 16, Quarterfinals, Semifinals, Final. So four posts in total.
WaterGirl
@WaterGirl: Petty WG:
Love that they ran late and made him sit and wait.
Love hearing that he was fidgety.
Love that he wasn’t “Former President”, just “Mr.”
Good for office Hodges showing up.
Really loved that Jack Smith talking about the defenders of the capital, and called them defenders of democracy, when he announced the indictment.
Marcopolo
Am listening to the C-Span call in show whilst watching footage from outside as the courtroom drama unfolds in DC. OMFG!!! Every other caller is absolutely deranged, ignorant, and pretty much out of touch with reality (at least the one I inhabit). I know this is the way it’s been since at least 2016 but coming face to face (or rather ear to ear) w/ it is so freaking disheartening. Infuriating as well, but it’s where we are so best to just work to make sure those folks lose as many elections as possible. I don’t think the majority of them are redeemable/deprogrammable.
different-church-lady
@LAO: I’m thinking cyanide feed, but I’m not going to say that.
Yarrow
There’s a T flag in the crowd outside the courthouse that says “Finish the Wall.” Is that still a thing? Does he still talk about that?
NotMax
Just thinkin’ it would be too, too sweet if Dolt 45’s plane was parked at Gate 46.
;)
Alison Rose
First hearing on August 28th, and the judge will apparently set the date for the start of the trial at that hearing.
zhena gogolia
@Baud: Oh, I want to see you doing that!
different-church-lady
@Yarrow: If we put Trump on the other side of it, I’m in.
Ishiyama
I used to practice before a federal judge who boasted of having the shortest time, on average, between arraignment & trial. Trump has no idea; the trial could start November 6.
skerry
@Wyatt Salmanca:
I can live with that
Scout211
One post each, for round of 16, round of 8, round of 4 and finals, I think would be enough. But others may want more.
raven
Well, like my vet once said “the time will come but it’s not now”.
Soprano2
@Fair Economist: Based on what I’m seeing with my husband, if he is having those issues it’s a fair bet he cannot keep them all straight.
JWR
Scott MacFarland noted that TFG used his own voice, and not that of one of his mouthpieces, to utter the words, “not guilty”.
Another thing, the crowd shots from outside the courthouse aren’t a sea of red hats, tee shirts and banners. Looks more like a bunch of tourists who don’t know what’s going on. Weird.
Dangerman
“No, Melania, you cannot be a witness; sit down.”
Yarrow
I agree with this. The whole party is full of low quality people.
Villago Delenda Est
@WaterGirl:
A meteor cannot fall on Oozy or the Noisemax choads a nanosecond too soon.
cope
@LAO: One of the better scenes in “My Cousin Vinny” is Vinny struggling to enter the pleas for his clients without multiple prompts from Judge Chamberlain Haller.
zhena gogolia
@raven: Oh, I guess that’s good.
pajaro
@LAO:
Remember the OJ case? I do. It did nothing for the rule of law to have the case televised, to put it mildly.
there is simply too much temptation for Trump and his attorneys to play for the cameras, particularly if they believe they are going to lose, and that’s something I doubt the Judge is going to want to encourage. Also, the court should do everything it can to treat it as a criminal case, consistent with the way criminal cases are treated in the federal courts in the district. The public has a right of access, but the federal courts have consistently permitted that access to be achieved by press coverage, not TV. IMO, if they compromise on a radio feed it’s OK with me, because it’s not as if the public at large has enough patience to actually listen in.
Villago Delenda Est
@Burnspbesq: No downside to that.
delphinium
@Yarrow: Yes, pretty much spot on.
trollhattan
@Burnspbesq:
I envision is thus:
“Being found guilty of these charges, I sentence you to prison for life [pause] or twenty years [longer pause] as IF!” Bangs gavel “Bailiff, remove the prisoner, court dismissed.”
CarolPW
@raven: So Riley gets to come home (at least for a bit)?
moops
I think there are going to be more indictments for Trump yet to come. Hope this month Georgia comes forward with their charges. I also suspect Smith is going to file charges for the Bedminster stories of misused classified documents. I hope Trump’s lawyers are exhausted and stumbling through all these cases and start committing more errors.
WaterGirl
@raven: My old vet used to say “we’re not at the end of the road, but we’re on the road.”
different-church-lady
@Yarrow: Like I said, he knows who he can bully. But he also knows who he can tempt. Those things are related.
Jay
@Dangerman:
With Justin and Sophie separating, Melanoma has her eyes on the prize,
https://mockpaperscissors.com/2023/08/03/today-on-the-real-housewives-of-merde-a-lardo/
Alison Rose
Andrew Weissman saying he’s never heard a judge tell a defendant not to commit more crimes and not to tamper with a juror while awaiting hearings. Iiiiiiiiinteresting.
different-church-lady
@moops: “There’s going to be so much finding out, you’re going to be sick of all the finding out.”
raven
@CarolPW: Yea, they want to do bloodwork in the morning so I’ll take him in. We’re talking about how bad it got with our two down the stretch and know we just have to be supportive.
raven
@WaterGirl: I am more familiar with that than I want to be!
Old School
Since there seems to be a number of fans here:
NotMax
Betting pool now open for first date Dolt 45 refers to “Judge Munchkin.”
//
HumboldtBlue
@WaterGirl:
Yes please.
trollhattan
@Alison Rose: Holy shit, really?
Trump’s spent his entire life avoiding anybody who tells him things he doesn’t want to hear.
Kathleen
@Elizabelle: A Deranged Rover.
Wyatt Salmanca
Anderson Cooper says CNN won’t air Trump’s bullshit comments live.
HumboldtBlue
@LAO:
I am pro-camera all day, but I would settle for audio, anything that brings the proceedings to the wider world.
evodevo
@Yarrow: I don’t know if Trumpy does, but DeathSantis has mentioned it…
geg6
Soooooo…
I’m seeing reports that they are closing the road in front of the Fulton County Courthouse next week. Maybe WG will finally have time to make an indictment cake by then.
JWR
From NBC:
Jay
//
bbleh
@NotMax: oh you KNOW that he — and to a much greater extent and more overtly — his cultists are gonna be all over her for being a Black woman doing what is properly a White man’s job.
I just wish the comedy shows were still rolling. Think of the skits. “The Court finds that the Defendant dressing as he did when he was in office may subconsciously sway the jury. Accordingly when in the presence of the jury he will wear one of the three fetching pastel-colored ensembles being displayed by the Bailiff. Oh, and one of our jurors is allergic, so no hair product in the courtroom.
@Jay: he’s going to have to take liberties with the size of the courtroom in order to fit in a suitably large cross
@JWR: “Seated behind Trump, they were out of his view, and so he couldn’t see them sticking their thumbs in their ears and waggling their fingers.”
Jay
@bbleh:
Ghouliani is ordered to only testify in drag,……
different-church-lady
@Wyatt Salmanca: Wow, they actually did learn from their mistake.
zhena gogolia
Whew, I just finished reading the indictment. I knew most of it from the J6 hearings, but to read it again — how did we get enslaved to this worthless piece of shit?
cain
@NotMax: Oh fox will definitely cover it – they’ll have their own take. They’ll cut away when something is uncomfortable. ;)
WaterGirl
@raven: Yep.
edit: (Or are you referring to yourself, not your pets?)
trollhattan
@WaterGirl:
+1 for a single thread for each round. If you’re unfamiliar, we’re into single-elimination now, unlike the group stages where a loss did not automatically eject you from the tournament.
There are from this point no draws: every match goes until there is a winner and I’ll be darned if I’m going to try explaining overtime and PK shootout rules. (Will just note that with 10+ minute stoppage time/half like I’m seeing so far, a match leading to a shootout will mean an astonishing 140 minutes of field time, with a maximum of six substitutions.)
WaterGirl
@geg6: Yes! I am over the hump of the impossible amount of work. 30 hours in 3 days this week. So there will definitely be cake or pie or something awesome for GA!
Yarrow
@Wyatt Salmanca: ABC carried them. They were short. He talked about how D.C. looks terrible since he was there – broken windows and graffiti. And then said it was a political prosecution. If you can’t beat someone, prosecute them.
As usual with him and these creeps, every accusation is a confession.
moops
At this point Trump has nothing to lose going all in on witness tampering and juror intimidation. They can charge him with those extra crimes but he is basically looking a “dying in jail” if he doesn’t get elected President and pardon himself. So far no judge or prosecutor has come after Trump throwing sand in the gears of justice.
Jay
@WaterGirl:
I vote pie,
fruits are in season.
Plus, ice cream is better with pie than cake.
cain
@pajaro: A radio feed would be perfect. Easy to listen to while doing other things without the visual.
Alison Rose
LOL Ari Melber with the rap lyrics, of course.
Yarrow
@zhena gogolia:
Because Republicans are weak and all about attaining and keeping power. See the tweet I posted above. They are bad people.
trollhattan
@Jay:
As the defendant’s manly chest finally overwhelmed the suit’s attempts at containing it, strewing buttons across the courtroom, gasps could be heard from the distaff portion of the jury. Jesus and Thomas Jefferson briefly appear in the gallery, holding a lamb and the Constitution, respectively.
Pics like that?
prostratedragon
Though the hearing was a little longer, “Three Minutes with Reality.”
Alison Rose
@Jay: Agreed. One of my favorite food-memories is from the now-closed Saturn Cafe in Santa Cruz, their ollalieberry* pie, heated up, with a scoop of vanilla. Fucking delicious.
(*sort of a cross between a couple types of blackberries and raspberry)
trollhattan
@Jay:
Correct on all points.
Sure Lurkalot
Related…good read from Rude Pundit
https://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2023/08/new-trump-indictment-trump-didnt-give.html
different-church-lady
@trollhattan:
No kink shaming, please.
cain
@Elizabelle: I don’t want to see him rot in jail. Instead, I would be willing to give the guy a in-home isolation provided that he gave up every fucking GOP politician and their shady shit.
It will a) destroy Trump’s brand b) destroy GOP’s brand c) root out all the assholes out and force the party to actually address the cult in the room.
I want systemic erasure of the GOP and the fucked up evangelical assholes that feed them.
Chief Oshkosh
@Alison Rose: Would’ve been great if the judge then required to acknowledge the order, stating that he comprehends it and will abide by it. If Trump balked, “I find the defendant in contempt. Bailiff, please shackle and transport the prisoner to …”
Dangerman
Linn’s in Cambria. Ollalieberry pie is phenomenal.
ETA: I prefer the Farm to the Restaurant.
ETA2: Damn, Farm is closed right now. Fuck off, Covid.
Jay
@Alison Rose:
here it’s called bumbleberry,
but my go to is blackberry/gravenstein apple pie, (warm) with real vanilla ice cream, on a short bread crust.
Jay
@trollhattan:
eeeew,……….
which isle has the brain bleach?,………..
Alison Rose
@Dangerman: I’ve been there! Many years ago…
bbleh
@cain: I’m afraid about all we can hope for is that the bigoted assholes who have had their bigoted assholery validated by Trump are gonna see him lose again and again AND gonna realize that, no matter how “unfair” it is, all their assholery has got any of them is some jail time, and they’re gonna slink back under their rocks. But they’re not gonna go away: they’ve been with us since the 1850s and unfortunately they haven’t gone anywhere.
Uncle Cosmo
VFX Lurker
@Old School: Thank you for posting that. I’m listening to the recent Penguin audiobook adaptations of Terry Pratchett’s Discworld, and they’re just magnificent.
Burnspbesq
@LAO:
I’d be happy with C-SPAN having one camera in the back with no commentary or chyron. IMO, that satisfies the need for transparency without turning it into a circus
Bill Arnold
Poking through the indictment (all day meeting so only during breaks), noticed that it makes a causality assertion about speech; that D.J. Trump caused death threats.
This is good to see
DJT’s constant repetition of lies even after being told that they are falsehoods by staffers reminds me of what Sister Golden Bear said recently (couple of typos cleaned up):
eversor
@bbleh:
They’ve been with us since they sailed over here to establish their theocracy. The racism and rich people issues came later. The Christianity came first. It still hasn’t been purged, and even people here will religiously (pun intended) defend it to the hilt and claim it’s everything but that.
Doug R
@Elizabelle: trump 2024:
20 years for sedition
24 years for treason.
Roger Moore
@Jay:
A local place gets a few of crates of gravensteins every year and makes a few pies every day until they run out. I always have to try to get some, because it really is great. I don’t know if they’re the absolute best apple for making pie, but they’re way up there.
Roger Moore
@bbleh:
They haven’t gone away, but they aren’t the cultural and political force they used to be. We’re going to need to keep fighting them for the foreseeable future, but they can be beaten, and beating them will get easier and easier each time we do it.
Jay
@Roger Moore:
the problem with Gravenstein’s, is if you have a hot spell, then a wet spell, they tend to crack, then get turned into cider, so they are often hard to come by.
To my taste buds, raw or cooked, they have the deepest most “apple” flavour.
But they are a “heritage” varietal, and are often hard to come by.
OzarkHillbilly
His attorneys have a gag order on him.
Nettoyeur
@Dorothy A. Winsor: more like 100 lbs over
Nettoyeur
@NotMax:
Dan B
I’m here in the house with the Blue Angels rattling the windows and the last pass shook the heavily upholstered chair. We’re on the flight path from Boeing Field so we get the start and the end. They turn south to the southern end of Lake Washington. Glorifying militarism doesn’t work with us or the critters.
Roger Moore
@Jay:
My impression is that gravensteins also don’t travel well, so they’re rarely seen in stores. My grandfather owned an orchard way back when, and I remember the packing plant focusing on juice and sauce, not on whole apples. You’ll only get gravenstein pie in places that grow them, like the region around Sebastopol CA, and a handful of places like the one I mentioned that specifically import them.
jackmac
@Old School:
Thanks for the tip on DiscWorld stamps. The Royal Mail is now taking orders via:
https://shop.royalmail.com › terry-pratchetts-discworld-stamp-set
Jay
@Jay:
the second best IMHO pie apple, is a slightly green Malus domestica Brunswick, (Golden Delicious Brunswick varietal), of which back in the 1980’s, I had the only known tree in the world.
When we bought the house in the 80’s it was a mature VF5, sadly neglected with black rot and pretty much everything else.
I pruned, treated, blossom picked, root pruned, fertilized, bottom watered, and the next year, we got 40lbs of apples. the year after that, 350lbs.
I sent a samples to the UBC Apple Project, and we traced it’s roots back to a Victoria tree, that was imported in 1920 from West Virginia. Because they are a “seed” varietal, they don’t breed true, so UBC took cuttings to clone the tree, which you can now buy as a VF5, locally adapted Golden Delicious.
Jay
@Roger Moore:
there are some orchards on the Gulf Islands and in the Okanagan that grow them, but they are tricky. Hot followed by wet causes them to crack, so few are interested in buying them, except for cider plants.
When we lived in the hills above Kamloops, there was an orchard that would, cracked on not, save me 4 cases of them, knowing I would trim around the cracks, slice and freeze them. They would call me when they were ready.
TriassicSands
As a cult leader, Trump doesn’t have to be drugged to withstand the stress, because he benefits from every new charge. It means more money, more adulation, more support, more apologists, and in the end, this will probably drag on until after the election. Should he win, that will end the accountability issue for all time. There has always been a time issue involved, and the Florida case probably won’t be tried until after the current May 2024 date set by Trumpist corrupt Judge Cannon.
The best thing that has happened recently is the assignment of the D.C. judge. She’s obviously not a cult member. She may feel compelled to bend over backward to show that she is not “anti-Trump,” since she will undoubtedly be taking constant criticism from the delusional Right. My expectation is that Trump stands a far better chance of getting a “fair” trial from her, than from Cannon, whom I expect to do everything possible to get Trump either acquitted or delay things until it no longer matters.
Biden may turn out to be a textbook case of being a reasonably good president (I don’t think our system allows anyone to be a great president anymore) who succumbs electorally to an abysmal electorate and conditions that are essentially beyond his control and for which he is not responsible. I would expect, in keeping with the basic concept of injustice, the recent downgrading of the US credit rating to be a potentially huge negative for Biden. Our inability to tax appropriately to support necessary and important programs, which are already often inadequate, rests squarely on the shoulders of the GOP. The fact that they are the problem will not matter to millions of ignorant Americans. In the end, turnout next year may determine the future of this country. We know the Republicans will turn out. History tells us that people who should be voting for Democrats often have something better to do.
Low turnout is common in mid-term elections, but voter turnout was lower in 2022 than in 2018, despite all that had happened to make voting more important than ever. Worst of all, Republicans received more votes in 2022 than did Democrats. I think it is unquestionable that there are many more eligible Americans who should be voting for Democrats than Republicans, but we lose many elections because of their failure to vote or their choice to vote irrationally. We’ll see next year.
Raven
@WaterGirl: Me
M31
@Jay: that is awesome!
love me some rare apple varietals, and haunt the farmer’s markets in the fall for Roxbury Russets and the like
mrmoshpotato
I think you’re erroneously comparing the orange shitstain to a normal person, ie. someone with a sense of shame.
M31
speaking of DC graffiti, some here must remember the overpass on 495 that had “SURRENDER DOROTHY” on it in huge letters, that was my favorite, though it’s gone now :-(
Jay
@M31:
Got ruined by growing up in the Maritimes. Old half dead orchards in abandoned fields hemmed in by stone walls, free for the picking. Some going back to 1783.
Amazing apples if you trimmed around the cracks, warts and all.
And then, in the store, bland flavourless “Red Delicious” apples, bleah.
artem1s
@LAO:
I think the witnesses and jurors are going to end up getting death threats, possibly for the rest of their lives. TV isn’t going to make it more transparent. It’s just going to make it more of a media circus.
Jay
@artem1s:
so, a second vote for McNaughton????????
Dan B
@Jay: My favorites for pie are a very early green apple my mother loved. The pie was very wonderfully fragrant. They’re very rare since they’re very tart and don’t store. Next favorite is Lodi, similar to the early tart green apple. It also cooks down to tender but not mushy. And it’s very difficult to find.
dnfree
@Jay: Bumbleberry as I know it involves rhubarb and several kinds of berries, for instance raspberries, strawberries, blueberries. But the rhubarb is essential to add the tartness. Some recipes include apples, but to me they’re just filler in that combination. I make bumbleberry crisp once a year, in the spring when rhubarb is available.
Bill Arnold
@dnfree:
Rhubarb/Blueberry pie is sometimes called Bluebarb pie.
kalakal
APOD have kindly released a terrific picture of where we should launch TFG towards TFG repository
Jay
@Dan B:
Yeah, one thing about apples is that as cultivation spread, varietals adapted to local conditions and climates and pretty much covered the earth.
They were grown for flavour, or storage, not “pretty”.
We have lost so many of them to the “commercial” varieties.
When we lived in Maple Ridge, a next door neighbor started pollarding his apple trees. I stopped him, and asked him what he was doing. He didn’t want them anymore, (too much work, really?).
So I offered to take them.
I got a free, established HoneyCrisp, Orange Cox Pippin and a WineCrisp, which after 2 years were going well.
Root prune, prune in the fall, spray, feed, water, no big time suck, add in the deflowering and the Japanese bag trick, less work than a peony.
Matt McIrvin
@TriassicSands: The best economic argument for voting Republican is the gangster’s argument: nice economy you have, shame if something happened to it. Vote Republican or else Republican politicians and their allies will do their best to make sure everyone suffers.
Jay
@dnfree:
bumbleberry here is a blackberry, raspberry hybrid, not a mix of fruit. It’s a hybrid between an everbearing raspberry and a Himalayan Blackberry, (an invasive species, found all over here in thick thickets, sweeter than the natural ground blackberries here).
You can’t farm Himalayan blackberries here, as they form dense, impassible hedges, but crossed with the everbearing raspberries, the bumble berry stays in neat orderly row’s and won’t swallow up your house, shed, barn, tractor.
Omnes Omnibus
@TriassicSands: I think this fits here.
Bex
@Jay: She’s too old for him. If I were her, I’d go after Rupert Murdoch. He’s 90 something and a multi billionaire who recently dumped his latest fiance.
Jay
@Bex:
She’s too gross for him, : )
but the photo’s of her trying to devour him with her presence, are en flique.
bbleh
@Roger Moore: yup. Don’t think we need to call on General Sherman this time. Just gotta keep doing the political trench work…
Miss Bianca
@Omnes Omnibus: LOL!!
Happy birthday, youse!
Sheila in nc
@M31: Surrender Dorothy!
But you have to include the context. The graffito was on a bridge over the Beltway, coming down a long hill with a great view of: the Mormon temple. (Visual stand in for the Emerald City)
bbleh
@TriassicSands: well never hurts to avoid foolish optimism, but (1) approximately nobody cares about the Fitch downgrade right now (even the markets are returning to normal after just 2 days) and come 2024 they will be an order of magnitude fewer, and (2) blah blah NYTimes (or was it WaPo?) turnout whatever, 2022 was NOT a good midterm election for Republicans, eg what they ended up with in the House.
Turnout IS important, but that’s what local organizations are for, and between Dobbs and the almost lunatic atavism of the Republicans — do they know the First Rule of Holes? — I am not at all pessimistic about Dems’ chances for motivating voters, including Dem-leaners who historically don’t vote.
bbleh
@Sheila in nc: and IIRC, just before that you go UP a hill, so the temple seems to be rising in the distance.
It should be a national landmark.
frosty
@M31: I remember it well. I went looking for picture of it from the 80s could only find one bad one. I saved the pic but not the link.
SURRENDER DOROTHY was the high point of my commute from College Park to Dulles.
WaPonir Wikipedia had a good backstory. If you search.
Ironcity
@bbleh: It is at least a local landmark for the traffic reports…”…backup on the inner loop by the temple …”, and one of the few local ones left after Dave Thomas Circle has recently become a street damaged by improvements. As DC graffiti goes it is almost as iconic as “Cool Disco Dan”, which is all but gone, alas.
Another Scott
@M31: @frosty:
WaPo (from June 2011).
Cheers,
Scott.
frosty
This is how I remember it
https://www.baltimoreorless.com/2012/08/surrender-dorothy-painted-on-a-beltway-overpass-whats-the-story/
Tony G
@Roger Moore: A short explanation is that Trump is a lifelong coward. He’s freaking out because, on some level, he cannot deny that these indictments are very serious and very bad for him. So he’s afraid to even speak. (That’s my Psychology 101 analysis anyway.)
Manyakitty
@WaterGirl: brilliant!
Chris T.
@frosty:
I used to drive that route (technically to Reston not Dulles) pretty often myself. We had a carpool and if we could get four, which was rare, we’d use the Dulles access road…