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Judge Chutkan Not Wasting Any Time (Open Thread)

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By 3 pm on Tuesday (that’s either today or tomorrow, depending on when you are reading this) the 2 parties have to file a joint notice of TWO dates and tines when both sides are able to attend a hearing on this.  Hearing dates/times must be on or before this Friday, August 11.

“The court will waive the requirement of Defendant’s presence.”

Translation: no, you cannot delay by saying Trump isn’t available.

Here is the direct link to the PDF file of the response from Jack Smith & company.  It’s brutal, which is well-deserved.

I hope Trump ends up with a much more restrictive protective order since his attorneys and Trump have made it clear that their goal is to try this case in the media, not in a court of law, as Jack Smith likes to say.

Oh, and may I just say…

What a difference a judge makes!
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  1. 1.

    feebog

    I think the judge decided on a hearing because she wants to give to Trump’s lawyers with both barrels.  Gunna be some blood on the courtroom floor.

  2. 2.

    Nelle

    Thank you, WaterGirl, for all you do for us.  Can’t say that enough

    What a contrast in judges!

  3. 3.

    Ken

    Jack Smith’s nearly instant

    But is their speed that impressive? Trump’s lawyers have gone beyond telegraphing their planned bogus legal arguments, to broadcasting them on all the Sunday news shows.

  8. 8.

    rachel

    I suppose if Judge Cannon had set her trial’s date in August, this could have been a problem. But since she’s put it off to next year…

  14. 14.

    WaterGirl

    @Jackie: Not much doubt about the answer to that one!  But I did edit my comment to wonder if they will at least have learned it before they show up on Tues/Wed/Thurs/Friday.

    She did say times “on or before” Friday.

  17. 17.

    LAO

    @WaterGirl: serious, defense attorney mindset: a story.

    When I was interviewing for my first criminal defense job, a partner interviewed me. He handed me a list of 10 people/things related to a criminal trial and he asked me to put them in order of importance. I looked over the list and gave him my order of importance. I placed judge last at number 10. He looked over my list asked a couple of questions, that had nothing to do with the list. And then offered me the job.
    One day, out of the blue, after I’d been there about 5 years, he told in all the years he’d been interviewing associates (he was in his 70s), no one had ever put the judge in the 10th position, which he believed was the correct answer.

    I’m not saying, he was correct or that I still feel that way: but that absolutely is the attitude of most defense attorneys.

    so Watergirl, no they’re not smart enough.

     

    era: fixed typos cause the gummy has kicked in

  19. 19.

    Jackie

    @WaterGirl: In the meanwhile, Fani might add her FU to the pile and trigger the Fulton County indictment!

    Edited to add I must replenish my Indictment essentials tomorrow! 🍷and 🍿

  21. 21.

    WaterGirl

    @LAO:

    era: fixed typos cause the gummy has kicked in

    That made me laugh.

    As for the story, it’s interesting!  I thought for sure he was gonna tell you that you were totally wrong to make the judge #10, but that he respected the hell out of you for being that ballsy.

  22. 22.

    RaflW

    “In television appearances, defense counsel also made specific claims about what the defendant allegedly said and did during the charged criminal conspiracies, and discussed anticipated testimony of Michael R. Pence, stating on ABC that the former Vice President would ‘be one of our best witnesses,’ and on CBS that ‘the Vice President will be our best witness.’”

    Huh. Kinda seems opposite of what the frightened puppy was FalseSocialing about Pence.

  27. 27.

    sab

    @LAO: That is so interesting. IANAL but in my naive heart I feel that should be and should have been the correct answer. I am glad that two of you from the opposite ends of experience agreed.

  28. 28.

    WaterGirl

    @NotMax: Saving that for later this week! :-)

    It’s a good thing I’m bad at holding grudges because whoever told me I shouldn’t do that really pissed me off.  Part of why I’m bad at holding grudges is that even though I have a really good memory, I don’t retain information about WHO said it.

  30. 30.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @WaterGirl:

    are Trump’s lawyers smart enough to have learned that yet?

    I think it’s moot.  Even the non-idiots have an impossible client to work with, who will demand they do suicidal things.  Trump is used to being treated with kid gloves, and cannot grasp how incredibly lucky he got to get a total crackpot like Cannon on his first case.  He’s used to civil lawsuits where he has vastly more money than his opponent and even the worst consequences will just require him to divert money he’s stolen from other people.

  31. 31.

    WaterGirl

    @LAO: I didn’t even catch that.  Yes, good gummy.

    I think I would have a problem with portion control with gummies.  Unless they don’t taste good.

  33. 33.

    Urza

    Can we get like baseball cards or NFTs or something for people in the legal profession.  Her and Jack Smith should be heroes to everyone.

  34. 34.

    Alison Rose

    👩🏿‍⚖️

    I keep trying to remember how Baud made emojis bigger but nothing works, and it only worked half the time for most of us anyway. But there’s a judge emoji. (Hard to see when it’s so tiny, but it’s the dark skin tone lady judge)

  35. 35.

    RaflW

    @LAO: I notice (and sort of gasp) these days that a beer in a bar is like $8-10. Even the occasional N.A. beer I’ll inquire about in restaurants is often six or seven bucks. It’s gotta be one of the really good tasting ones to get me to fork over.

    $3 for an evening’s enjoyment (though I am not interested in edibles or anything THC these days) seems like a bargain, if that’s the recreational serving size.

  37. 37.

    NotMax

    @WaterGirl

    “The grudge you hold on to is like a hot coal that you intend to throw at someone, only you’re the one who gets burned.”
    – Gautama Buddha

  44. 44.

    Jackie

    Retired judge predicts gag order is coming!

    “The judge in Donald Trump’s Jan. 6 election conspiracy case is likely to issue a gag order in response to the former president’s incendiary rhetoric, a legal expert said Monday.”

    “Retired California Superior Court Judge LaDoris Hazzard Cordell, during an appearance on CNN’s “The Source with Kaitlan Collins,” said one of the former president’s social media posts in particular was “clearly a threat.””

    “Cordell’s comments came in response to a question from Collins over whether Trump’s all-caps Truth Social post on Friday in which he wrote “IF YOU GO AFTER ME, I’M COMING AFTER YOU!” would likely influence Judge Tanya Chutkan’s decision over whether to issue a protective order.”

    More at the link, plus video 😊

    https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-2662923726/

  47. 47.

    sab

    OT Sucky week here and it’s only Tuesday Monday. So glad we voted early so don’t have to worry about that.

    Got my haircut today. On the way I stopped by the ATM and it told me I couldn’t withdraw anything because I was overdrawn. WTF! I should have two grand in the account. Got my hair cut and went home to the computer. Someone had somehow managed to charge Beyonce tickets to my account ( two grand) so I was overdrawn. Yikes off to the bank. Checks will be bouncing all over the place.

    Meanwhile while I was at the bank our oldest very senile cat bit my husband badly. My last cat bite landed me in the hospital with an infection and hand surgery. So we took it seriously. Vet said that they usually soak cat bitten hands in hot water with Dreft detergent. Good to know. We did that and twelve hours later his hand seems to be okay.

    Meanwhile my dad’s nurse’s aide called because I was supposed to drop off the August paychecks today, but what with everything I didn’t.

    Glad we voted early last week.

  48. 48.

    NotMax

    I know it’s supposed to be a judge but in all honesty from here it looks like an emoji of Al Jolson.

  54. 54.

    Tim C.

    @sdhays: I think it’s quite possible he ends up in jail prior to election day.  Either by making explicit threats against the court or by a guilty verdict.   He is double whammy-effed in DC and Cannon isn’t smart or skilled enough to put the thumb on the scales in a non-reversible way.    Add what’s about to drop in Georgia and it’s gonna be messy.

    Not saying he can’t win in 2024 either way.  The horror of November 2016 destroyed the notion of “That can’t happen” with me forever, but it’s gonna be hard.

    Bonus, if anyone wants to check out the video series “The Alt-Right Playbook” on the Youtubes.  Short videos that explain the tactics being used by MAGA and the incel horde.

  55. 55.

    sab

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Me too. My Medicare plan D and supplemental are supposed to clear today so the Beyonce ticket mess could blow up my whole health insurance world. Fun times.

    ETA I like Beyonce as much as the next guy but no way would I have bought such pricey tickets.

  56. 56.

    WaterGirl

    @Alison Rose: It’s not FYWP, it’s that we strip a lot of stuff off of regular commenters, like images, etc.

    But I’ve seen Baud use the heading code.  You definitely have to be in text mode, but maybe you have to click on the icon that says CODE.

  57. 57.

    Ishiyama

    @LAO: The most important thing being able to weep in front of the jury at the injustice being done to your innocent client.

  60. 60.

    West of the Rockies

    Any chance the Marred Lardo Menace will have to wear an actual muzzle and a doggy vone of shame?

  62. 62.

    Brachiator

    @NotMax:

    “The grudge you hold on to is like a hot coal that you intend to throw at someone, only you’re the one who gets burned.”
    – Gautama Buddha

    Yep. I used to say,”It is very, very hard to get on my shit list. But once you are on it, you are not getting off it.”

    But then I realized that if I couldn’t get back at the person, or get justice or relief,” continuing to hold the grudge served no purpose and was just unnecessary emotional baggage.

  64. 64.

    piratedan

    @Tim C.: well, I think we’re STILL in for a couple of tough years.  Even if we politically decapitate Trump and render him politically inert, I suspect that the string pullers in the background are readying additional arrows.

    If we manage to get the WH and turn Congress back to Dem control, we still need to instill the DOJ with the backbone and political will to bring down the entire RW edifice of crime, from SCOTUS to Members of Congress to those that the likes of Crow and Leo have bought and paid for to enact their vision.

  66. 66.

    Lyrebird

    @sab:

     

    Oh goodness SAB, I wish you such a remarkably nice day tomorrow and all the banking help you need!

    Any one of those things would be way too much!

  67. 67.

    HumboldtBlue

    One thing about the Trump base that never ceases to astonish me, is the fact that he is openly hostile and hateful, resentful, and disgusted by them despite their unflagging support.

    Trump wouldn’t look at this man if he were on fire, much less piss on him or assist him in any way. Maybe he’d toss him a piss-soaked roll of paper towels or something.

  74. 74.

    Tim C.

    @piratedan: Agree,  I actually think we have a tough decade or more ahead as there’s little chance of SCOTUS moving much in the near-term, nor will the Boomers give up there centrality to American politics until bluntly, enough of them die to become less relevant.   It is possible for things to get better though and we have a lot of work ahead to make it happen.

  76. 76.

    sab

    @Jay: Huh!? I preferred Midge (less makeup)  but I thought Barbie was our new folk hero.

    Haven’t seen the movie yet but I can’t wait. ( Actually I can wait, but very impatiently.)

  78. 78.

    sab

    @sab: As a young woman coming of age in the Barbie years I was less impressed with her boobs and much more impressed with her long legs with no visible knees.

  80. 80.

    BeautifulPlumage

    IANAL so it’s been interesting to read and compare the prosecution & defense motions. So much extraneous BS and so many pages for PAB* while The government’s are direct & precise.

    * Pussy Ass Bitch via the philosopher Chrissy Teigen (& Allison Rose)

  81. 81.

    BeautifulPlumage

    Sab – what a crappy day. At least you accomplished the haircut! Here’s hoping the bank can help you and not charge overdraft fees. And good luck for the cat bite, may it heal without problems!

  83. 83.

    sab

    @BeautifulPlumage: Hope my check to haircut guy doesn’t bounce. He is amazingly competent. Well beyond what my hick city expects. Been with him 20+ years this time, a couple of years 20+ years ago before I wandered west and then back.

    In any big coastal city he would be a star. Here he is just a competent well respected local business owner.

  84. 84.

    NotMax

    @sab

    Can shift funds from another account (temporarily) to checking, just in case?

    Two grand ain’t chicken feed, I know.

  85. 85.

    BeautifulPlumage

    @sab: how lucky he stays there! I hope the salon visit eased a bit of the pain of the bank crap. Reading that made me anxious, and you got to add cat bite & paycheck delivery to the plate. Really hoping tomorrow is a better day!

  86. 86.

    sab

    @Tim C.: I don’t know either. I am a Boomer and a lot of us just got depressed and stopped voting. Seemed like the Gen x guys were all aboard with Reagan and sunshine in America.

    That was just my disgruntled American voter impression. Blogmaster might disagree. Also our younger jackals.

  87. 87.

    sab

    @BeautifulPlumage: He is an Akronite. More importantly he married an Akron girl. We are like ticks. Once imbedded in our spouse they are stuck here.

    ETA Ask Lebron James. He married a local girl. He can never leave.

  88. 88.

    sab

    My pitmix dog and my scrappy cat are lying on my  bed , forhead to forhead, sound asleep. My spelling sucks, but whatever. Two little guys asleep in trust.

  95. 95.

    Tom Q

    @sab: ​
     Thank you for articulating this. People keep trashing the boomers as if they’re the primary/sole source of GOP power. But, as far as I can see, the combination of remaining pre-Boomers (Silent Generation, mostly), the latter portion of boomers (those born ’56-’64 — impressionably young when Carter floundered and Reagan smiled), and Gen Xers (who were raised on Morning in America) are those who have most cemented right-wing politics in the body politic.

    It’ll be nice to lose the eldest of those (as a demographic — I’m sure some of them are very nice, including my 95 and 97 year old liberal parents), but that chunk of voters born between ’56 and the 70s will pollute the body politic for a while longer. We’re lucky the under-40s seem to skew very heavily Dem, and that they’re turning out more robustly of late, as they’ve got a lot of votes to offset.

  96. 96.

    Ruckus

    @Brachiator:

    But then I realized that if I couldn’t get back at the person, or get justice or relief,” continuing to hold the grudge served no purpose and was just unnecessary emotional baggage.

    Yep.

    I’ve got enough to worry about in life not to worry about stuff I can’t change. Especially after days like today. Someday maybe…..

  98. 98.

    Barringer

    What will happen when Mr. Trump inevitably violates the order?  Gag order?  Then a night in jail when he violates that?  Looking forward to the walk of atonement.

  101. 101.

    mrmoshpotato

    @sab: Ugh!  Hope the rest of your week is better (and they catch whoever got ahold of your debit card info).

  103. 103.

    tokyokie

    @Tim C.: I think tfg first winds up in a jail on a contempt charge. He’s a racist misogynist who thinks he can do no wrong on trial before a Black female judge, whose authority he will not recognize. He likes to push limits to test how far he can go, and he doesn’t abide by counsel advice. I think we can expect him to start making a ruckus while court is in session and refusing to stop when the judge warns him of a possible contempt charge. Judge Chutkan will not abide his antics, and when he continues his act, she will bring the gavel down and order the bailiff to escort the defendant to a jail facility, without access to any means of communicating with the outside.

  104. 104.

    sab

    @Steeplejack: It is Mouf, our oldest cat, the late lamented StarScream’s buddy. We got him from my youngest stepson. He hated being an only cat with a working owner, so stepson passed him on to us.

    Dobby has taken a shine to the new cat. I caught them both napping on the same cat tree

    ETA Got your question wrong. Dobby sleeps with the pitmix when he isn’t sleeping with the new cat

    Mouf chomped husband. Dobby asleep with pitmix.

  106. 106.

    cmorenc

    @tokyokie: During court appearances and booking processes themselves, Trump has actually been well-behaved.  It’s the moment he steps back outside the courthouse into public view that he reverts to his native mode of talking toxic shit.

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