Trump ordered the hit…and his rabid base tried to follow through.
This is what the modern Republican Party stands for. This is their thrice indicted, twice impeached, frontrunner. pic.twitter.com/c83wUzQQKX
— Kaivan Shroff (@KaivanShroff) August 9, 2023
"Robertson…[said] he was "cleaning the dust off the M24 sniper rifle," in response to reports that Biden was going to visit…His threats against Bragg included saying he was going to New York and wanted to "put a nice hole in his forehead with my 9mm."https://t.co/U5aCLWPMl8
— Jean-Michel Connard ?? (@torriangray) August 9, 2023
Robertson’s already being turned into a martyr on MAGAt media, which would no doubt make him happy.
… Special agents were attempting to serve arrest and search warrants at a home in Provo when they shot and killed Craig Deleeuw Robertson, according to court documents.
Robertson allegedly made threats against Biden on social media, specifically saying that he was preparing a particular gun and camouflaging attire ahead of the president’s visit to the state on Wednesday.
In March, Robertson also made threats against Bragg, saying he was going to New York and described in detail how he wanted to lie in wait and kill Bragg in a parking garage.
FBI agents conducting surveillance on Robertson’s home on March 19 approached him to talk about his posts, according to the complaint. Robertson responded, “I said it was a dream,” and told them to return with a warrant…
It's the MAGA bomber again. Another Fox-poisoned boomer with access to weapons who made a kill list out of the last 10 Democrats name-checked by Trump. https://t.co/M3GgHrgHpu
— zeddy (@Zeddary) August 9, 2023
Suicide by Federal agent.
2/ He also repeatedly identified himself as Trump Super Fan, walking around with a Trump hat and identifying himself as a "MAGA TRUMPER." Attempted arrest in which Robertson was killed appears to have been triggered by Sunday threat to murder Biden with sniper during …
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) August 9, 2023
… What’s notable about the complaint is how many of Robertson’s threats and complaints mirror standard GOP talking points from Capitol Hill. He refers to the FBI visits in response to his threats to murder Alvin Bragg and President Biden as an example of “the WEAPONIZED FBI coming after a 75 year old conservative,” and he makes general complaints about the FBI monitoring conservative social media. He also criticizes Facebook for censoring his assassination threats..
4/ Images FBI agent used in criminal complaint to demonstrate Robertson owned the sniper rifle and sniper suit he said he would use to murder president Biden pic.twitter.com/jOpzBP4nNA
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) August 9, 2023
https://t.co/Qjy78NcscU pic.twitter.com/EjlqqCMpm5
— William B. Fuckley (@opinonhaver) August 9, 2023
“What are the feds gonna do, kill me?” https://t.co/w3ELIjEZBy
— William B. Fuckley (@opinonhaver) August 9, 2023
piratedan
just another dude who drank the cool aid that Unka Rupe had available. I have to admit that the agents that had to end his life aren’t going to sleep well knowing that they had to kill an old dude who was armed with intent to kill and with murder on his mind.
SpaceUnit
Good riddance to bad garbage. I’ve already forgotten his name.
Villago Delenda Est
We have a domestic terrorism problem. Ted Kaczynski could only dream of having an entire nationwide media apparatus cheering him on.
JWR
Wah! FBook won’t let me threaten death and destruction on public figures! Almost too funny.
And did anyone else notice that his grass suit makes him look a lot like a Morlock from the 1960 film The Time Machine?
Citizen Alan
Imagine if the Manson Family had 70 million people all eager to kill whoever Charlie told them to. That’s the Republican Party of 2023.
NotMax
@Citizen Alan
Remember Squeaky Fromme?
HumboldtBlue
That Bundy ranch standoff was a touchstone for some of this. And of course the touchstone for Bundy ranch was Randy Weaver and Ruby Ridge.
piratedan
@piratedan: and the people who turned this old dude into a deluded tool of hate will feel nary a nudge of remorse… they’ll just turn him into a martyr and not even blink. There’s plenty more in the pipeline. What worries me the most are the ones that don’t bother outing themselves on social media.
mrmoshpotato
One less batshit crazy Trump humper.
HumboldtBlue
I wonder who the three sources are.
Mike E
Oh no, well anyway…
Mai Naem mobileI
Well? I don’t mean to sound flip about this but if the family is able to keep his guns they can probably sell them off and afford to pay for his funeral. I read a couple of interviews with his neighbors. Apparently he was frail and there was no way he was going to be able to go to SLC and shoot Biden. Well, he should have opened his door to the secret service then.
Ken_L
Thoughts and prayers to his family, who will draw comfort from the fact he died doing what he loved
Being an arsehole.
Odie Hugh Manatee
This dead asshole, like the other radicalized terrorists from the right, was extensively groomed by the right, led by the Republican party. Fed a steady diet of hate and lies, he was groomed into hating his fellow American citizens to the point that he was ready to kill their leader. The right taught him how to arm himself and how to turn those arms against his nation.
The Republican party has groomed their followers into hating most of the rest of the country. Their followers have been groomed into not trusting doctors, scientists, government, the courts, medicine and so much more. They have been groomed to hate change, even when it directly benefits them. Just trust the people who are telling you to not trust anyone else, send them money, elect them and they will make it all better.
The Republican party needs to be crushed or they will kill us and destroy our nation.
Ksmiami
@Odie Hugh Manatee: yes. Finally. And the faster and louder we all admit this, the faster we can prepare to defend ourselves and our nation from these threats. We did not start this, they did.
HumboldtBlue
If ya need a smile amidst the madness, there’s always Fran and Dan.
mrmoshpotato
@HumboldtBlue: Hehehe, trying to wag her tail off!
HumboldtBlue
And if that ain’t enough, here are The Muppets singing Letter B.
Splitting Image
@HumboldtBlue:
If memory serves, one of them has the Golden An.
Leto
His mission: Fucking Around
His objective: Finding Out
Mission: Accomplished
@Villago Delenda Est: we do, and we’ve had it since 1865. I don’t know how we turn off the direct injection of poison coming from broadcast and social media. Hopefully David Hoagg’s org can make a difference in statehouses and congress.
Betty Cracker
Heavily armed Trump cultists like the recently deceased are a huge problem for obvious reasons, but the attitude of his neighbors is too. From Deseret News:
The dude publicly bragged about his gun collection and how he came close to murdering two FBI agents who had investigated earlier violent threats. A SWAT team approach doesn’t get more warranted than that, FFS.
Again, the cops didn’t need any further evidence! WTF is wrong with these people? The cultists who publicly air their lurid, violent fantasies and threaten to act on them in meat space are a problem, but so are the people who excuse that behavior.
Damien
Honestly, @Betty Cracker, you don’t get to be this way without a sprawling network of people who sympathize with your views letting you spout off in increasingly insane rants, normalizing your bullshit for yourself.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see more than a few of his neighbors’ names on the list of profiles that liked all his posts.
Frankensteinbeck
Just how ‘frail’ was this guy? Because he’s not threatening to knife fight his way through the Secret Service to duel Biden. Literally all he needs to be capable of is carrying a gun to a spot he can see Biden, even if his odds of hitting are remote and firing once breaks every bone in his body.
99.999% of the guys talking like this are cosplayers fantasizing. There are a HELL of a lot of them, so many they are almost all ignored. Something about this guy made the FBI think there was a possibility he would go through with it and worth investigating.
@Betty Cracker:
Sounds like ‘He was a quiet type. Kept himself to himself.’ to me. The neighbors having trouble believing it is a mass murderer classic.
TriassicSands
@Betty Cracker:
But, Betty, the threats were protected by the First Amendment. After all, they were just “aspirational.”
Trump has not only soiled this country and its government, but he’s helped to create a mob of lawyers who come up with some of the most absurd defenses ever uttered by people who actually went to law school. Admittedly, the lawyers in question seem to be fertile ground for Trump to use to grow rancid, increasingly poisonous weeds. Many, if not all, of those lawyers may someday wish they had never heard of Donald Trump.
Betty Cracker
@Damien: That’s a great point. Sympathetic responses to unhinged, violent and threatening rants create a kind of permission structure. I think silence does too.
Brachiator
@Mai Naem mobileI:
Robertson was 75 years old. I’m not sure how frail he was. But maybe just as some people give up their car keys at a certain age, this guy should have given up his weapons and his sick fantasies.
The sad thing is that Trump, some GOP fools and Fox News will continue to stir up and encourage violence against Democrats.
The weird thing is that, so far, Trump simply operates as an amoral agent of chaos. Trump cannot, so far, generate support within the military to attempt a coup. Trump is not smart enough, nor has he been able to convince the military leadership to back him.
But he can light a fire under enough dumb ass militia wannabees to potentially cause serious harm and endanger lives.
Trump probably enjoys the feeling he gets from persuading loser saps to throw their lives away for him. The GOP and Fox News stupidly believe that they can prosper from chaos and uncertainty. They are wrong. Toppling democracy will not usher in a stable, right wing authoritarian state.
And Trump is cracking up. His assertions that he had won the election were always bullshit. But he cannot give up this delusion even as the criminal justice system starts to close in on him. His fantasies are all stacked up in boxes in a bathroom in the Mar a Lago of his mind.
Betty Cracker
@TriassicSands: I believe in due process, and if that raid wasn’t carried out by the book and the cops weren’t justified in killing the guy who made the threats, they should be prosecuted. But the idea that publicly making very specific and violent threats and demonstrating possession of the equipment to carry them out doesn’t warrant a raid baffles me.
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
“just comply”
mrmoshpotato
@Betty Cracker: Good grief! What kind of morons did this dead asshole have as neighbors?
If you threaten to kill someone…
Baud
@mrmoshpotato:
It’s Provo, Utah. The town motto is probably Let’s Go Brandon.
ETA: A little googling indicates that Provo has been turning more blue lately.
TriassicSands
@Betty Cracker:
I agree about due process and prosecution.
One seemingly common attribute of mass murderers in the U.S. is that up until the moment when they shoot and kill innocent people, they are almost all considered “law-abiding citizens.” But publicly threatening to kill public officials crosses a line that ought to be obvious to everyone.
Frankensteinbeck
@Betty Cracker:
Full agreement there.
Noskilz
It’s the downplaying of the threats that bothers me the most – here is this withered old fool cosplaying a violent revolutionary/assassin and this kind of behavior has become so normalized that people are pretending it isn’t a problem, when that kind of nonsense is a giant red flag of a problem.
mrmoshpotato
@Betty Cracker:
More specifically, this too!
Sebastian
Trump will call for armed insurrection and a civil war before he goes down. He has nothing to lose and everything to win (in his mind). The question is how many in law enforcement and in the military are going to listen to him.
Sebastian
@Citizen Alan:
That’s what I am worried about.
JWR
@HumboldtBlue:
Well, we can hope. We can also hope she’s got all her ducks in a row on this one. Q: Could she be doing a sort of tag team with Jack Smith, or would that be wrong, not to mention illegal?
But “the once obscure lawyer Kenneth Chesebro”? We knew about cheesehead from this here great blog, didn’t we, kids? And Maggie Haberman wrote about him just yesterday, (Yahoo link), so what gives? Does this portend something big’s about to poop? Pop? (Pippity poop pop?)
Nukular Biskits
Threatening violence against public officials is “patriotic free speech” if you’re a white conservative.
MURKA, HELL YEAH!
Nukular Biskits
@David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch:
Indeed. And let’s not forget the demands of “Where was his father?”
Baud
I actually think no one would have cared if it was a public official other than the president. Threats against the president are in a whole different class.
Betty Cracker
@Sebastian: I think that’s likely too, as the walls close in. If Trump does call for armed insurrection, I don’t think he’ll get the response he expects. There could be sporadic violence, and because we’re ass-deep in battlefield weapons, those incidents might be deadly. But I doubt there would be a mass defection of cops or servicemembers, and most of the civilian MAGA trash are all talk.
eclare
@HumboldtBlue:
That’s adorable!
matt
well, this should provide a fascinating test of conservative legal theories about the 2nd Amendment. Wasn’t this terrorist just exercising his ‘right to overthrow the government’?
Betty Cracker
More trans-panic stupidity from Florida:
I’ve noticed an uptick in exasperated parents saying school officials should just ignore the idiocy out of Tallahassee and go about their business. It doesn’t work that way. The only way to stop the tidal wave of stupidity out of Tallahassee is to vote the goddamn Repubs out.
Baud
@Betty Cracker:
Parents should insist teachers refer to their students as Mr. or Ms. last name.
raven
36 people dead in Maui. There are links to help on this page.
Baud
@raven:
Wow. How awful.
satby
Robbie Robertson, rest in peace. Great life, well lived.
And for my very courageous friend Meghan Buell, rest in power sister. You leave a huge hole.
eclare
@raven:
Tragic. I guess with the wind there was little to no warning.
eclare
@satby:
So sorry about your friend, sounds like she had a big impact.
satby
@Baud: I know NotMax was online yesterday but not overnight, and am hoping he and his elderly landlady are ok.
yellowdog
@Betty Cracker: I disagree. I believe there is a serious likliehood that half the cops and quarter of the military will be traitorous.
satby
@eclare: She did. And in spite of a lot of the hateful behaviour directed against her, she always believed in the basic desire to be kind in most people. A far better woman than me.
satby
@yellowdog: Those proportions are too high, and they’d be fighting their own departments / fellow military. Who would vastly outnumber them.
Kay
satby
@Kay: They didn’t include Reagan, who was wounded along with 2 (3?) others.*
* unless they cut it off after Kennedy to stay in the 100 years span.
Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg
@TriassicSands:
The “we’re going to extensively coddle rhetorical extremism, religious exclusionism, lies and explicit threats from angry old white people” aspect of First Amendment jurisprudence is going to kill us all.
I’m inclined to get rid of it. It hasn’t done shit for me.
Kay
@satby:
They cut it off. They go on to do Reagan and then the plots. There were a LOT of plots. This is not actually a rare thing in the US. It’s a real threat.
Sebastian
@Betty Cracker:
I agree. His best shot was Jan6 when he had some sort of legal cover, as flimsy and absurd as it was, had his cronies in key positions, and was still the CiC.
But he is definitely going to call for it and we don’t know what the various GOP states are preparing and if those politicians will be forced to choose between aiding Trump or losing their voters.
Kay
@Betty Cracker:
Well, they didn’t know him all that well if none of them knew about his incredibly violent messages, now did they? The FBI went in with different – more – information than the neighbors had. It’s fine if they didn’t know their neighbor was a violent psychopath but them not knowing that doesn’t matter at all and doesn’t mean anything. I love the woodworking ancedote, too. “OH, he was a woodworker!” What does that matter in this context?
NotMax
@satby
All fine at the homestead. Well away from any current danger areas. On Wednesday took my monthly trek into town, and that tuckered me out. Did take note that Costco is limiting sales of cases of bottled water to two per membership holder.
Kay
They take anti government extremist threats seriously even at the local level. Our probate judge, a woman, has had to have police protection at her home on two separate occasions due to threats from “sovereign citizens”. They object to her making decisions on allocating property. Far Right terrorists. There are only 30k people in this county and she’s been seriously threatened 2x with ten years on the bench. I think people would be suprised if they knew how many threats are made and what the response is.
Litlebritdifrnt
Margie three toes was only agreeing with an audience member that her opposition should be executed for treason YESTERDAY! There is no reason to be nice to these people NONE!
eversor
@Kay:
One plot was funny. Some idiot tried to shoot Jackson. The gun failed to go off and then Jackson promptly beat the idiot to a bloody pulp. Then there was Teddy who got shot in the chest and kept on giving his speech.
The thing is most of these people aren’t that competent. Because it takes some grade A lunacy to try and take out a president.
MagdaInBlack
@NotMax: Whew. Thank you for the check in. ❤️
Kay
They’re “at war” with 57% of Ohio voters now. They’ve been absolutely poisoned by the fringe media and online Right wing celebrities they all promote. This sort of dumb, ordinary public official is walking around thinking the majority of the people he supposedly serves are his mortal enemies.
raven
@NotMax: I’m glad you are ok.
satby
@Kay: a Tweeper uncovered that the neighbor meeping about the feds killing the “fragile old man” is a sympathizer and both were white supremacist followers of the Deserat Nationalist movement.
satby
@NotMax: Stay safe. Glad to hear from you.
Another Scott
Al Jazeera – Ecuador presidential candidate assassinated yesterday after a rally.
It’s a dangerous time to be in politics in too many places. We have to take these threats seriously.
I hope that the FBI goes after the people who sold him the weapons and all the rest as well.
Cheers,
Scott.
Kay
@satby:
Not to be a jerk but Mormons really need to get a handle on the far Right anti government extremists in their ranks. Excusing this behavior and circling the wagons is not good.
Kay
Pro publica doing more of the ethics reporting that Clarence Thomas failed to do.
Chris Johnson
@Odie Hugh Manatee: Actually I’d rather call them Russians at this point. I’d rather call the Lincoln Party folks ‘Republicans’. I’d rather call old school Red Dawn russia hawks ‘Republicans’. I’m old enough to remember how that was. I used to really frown on that sort of thing.
I’d rather call these civil war, race war, terminally online, typically stupid, terroristically stochastic people ‘Russians’.
They are soldiers, not from our country. I don’t think they deserve the title Republican.
LiminalOwl
@satby: Condolences on the loss of your friend, who will surely be missed and mourned by many.
BellyCat
Only half the cops?
NorthLeft
@Kay: I hope that is the case regarding specific threats of violence, but that does not seem to be the case IMO.
Providing protection is important, but I doubt that most of these psychopaths are actually visited by LEOs of any kind. And yeah, they should show up with a warrant most of the time and toss the place. That does not mean ransack their living space, but just walk into every room and check it out. Then drag them down to the station and interrogate them too.
These morans need to understand that violent threats are effing serious and result in negative consequences for them.
The assholes making the threats probably are proud and happy if their threats result in police protection for their targets.
Geminid
@Betty Cracker: If Trump wants the good ol’ boys from Greene County to help, he’d better not stage his Insurrection during deer huntin’ season!
SiubhanDuinne
@NotMax:
I’m very glad you’re safe. The photos and videos and descriptions are horrific.
Frankensteinbeck
@Sebastian:
Sure. This is a given. He calls for mob violence all the time. He clearly fantasizes he’s Hitler with an army of Brownshirts.
In their official capacity? None. Zero. Not even one. This isn’t a guess. I’ve been hearing this question for years now, the biggest test was when he lost the election, and the answer has always been none. Zero.
In their roles as private citizens… probably also zero. J6 was his peak, and a perfect storm for him. They now know that they can actually go to jail for this shit, and they are utter cowards making up excuses every time he orders them to fight. That one is only a ‘probably’, I admit.
Trivia Man
@Kay: on the bright side, Mormon membership is cratering. They are shrinking in numbers while increasing their dragon-sized hoard of wealth. They still have a large political influence many places but thankfully they aren’t increasing in numbers.
mrmoshpotato
Wasn’t the FBI just exercising their right to shoot this terrorist Trump trash in his fat, orange, fascist, Dump-humping, fascist face?
Oh wait, no. The FBI had a warrant.
eversor
@Trivia Man:
Mormons aren’t also a problem on the same level as other branches of Christianity. Their senators are odd ducks with Romney being a rich asshole but otherwise decent human being how obviously hates Trump and Mike Lee being a fuckwit. Utah is always going to go red cause Mormons but they don’t like Trump. I think Mittens was the only R senator to participate in BLM march and he caught hell for it.
This relates to their own long history of persecution by other branches of Christianity but Mormons are the sort of boring ass, wealthy, white bread, charity loving, military/cia serving, patriotic Christians the GOP pretends their Christian base actually is.
Also they have a temple here in the DC area you can see from the beltway. When it comes into view from one side there is a foot bridge over the beltway and people keep climbing the bridge fencing and hanging over the damn highway and spray painting “surrender Dorthy” onto the bridge. Keeps getting painted over, keeps being spray painted again. The local Mormons have always taken it in stride and admitted it is rather funny.
If Utah canned Mike Lee who’s a fucking asshole, and a fat ugly asshole at that, to elect McMullen the world would be a better place and we could quit worrying about Sienma/Manchin and their desires of the day. He might be a Republican, but as a former CIA operative he’s been outright brutal of his party. He’s also smart and while most of us wouldn’t agree with him on much he’s not in for imposing his views on others or destroying social security.
mrmoshpotato
@Betty Cracker: Excuse me! Everyone knows kids in the 21st century don’t use nicknames!
Soprano2
@Betty Cracker: I’m sure some schools would be safe to ignore it, while others wouldn’t, because this is the definition of a law that can be selectively enforced.
Soprano2
@Kay: It’s funny when I hear that, I barely know most of my neighbors because many of them are renters. The only ones I know something about are across the side street. They bought the house for their son to live there while he went to college, then they fixed it up and retired from St. Louis. He was a brewmaster for Anheuser Busch; I’m not sure what she does. One of my neighbors could be a serial killer and I would know nothing about it.
Soprano2
@Kay: Does he really believe 57% of Ohio voters belong to the “radical left”? That’s insane.
Baud
@Soprano2:
Your neighbors could say the same thing about you.
Maxim
If that is actually him in the photos he posted of a man in camo holding a rifle and down on the ground, then the guy wasn’t “frail” at all. He was solidly built, and apparently in good enough shape to get himself down to a prone position and back up.
I would like to see the family of someone like this sue Fox and Trump and whoever for contributing to his death. Probably not legally tenable, but I wish there were consequences for putting this poison into millions of minds. I also would like Congress to pass a law requiring any show, or channel, with “news” in its title to tell the truth during its broadcasts, or else they have to issue a disclaimer accompanying each broadcast that the content is for “entertainment” purposes only and not to be taken as factual.
kalakal
@NotMax: Glad to hear you’re safe. It looks awful from here
Paul in KY
Fuck that Utah POS. I hope the end was painful.
Anyway
@Kay: I hope this Issue 1 debacle has left LaRose (and the GQP) really wounded for the upcoming senate race.
Rob in CT
https://twitter.com/opinonhaver/status/1556845633142530050
Anyway, OF COURSE wingnuts are gonna pretend this asshole was a victim, because he’s absolutely indisputably one of their own. They’ve got zero to try and pretend he was secretly not a Twu Conservative (antifa false flag argle bargle!).
Paul in KY
@Kay: Gotta add Ronny to that & maybe Ford also.
yellowdog
@eversor: We used to live near that temple. I told my kids the figure on top of the spire was Mickey Mouse.
Trivia Man
@yellowdog: when I lived in Los Angeles I heard some cab drivers pointed out that enormous temple on the 405 and identified it as Sinatra’s enter home. I’ve always wondered how many Japanese photo albums have that included.
Mike in NC
@eversor: On the DC Beltway I drove past the Mormon temple about a million times but never once had any interest in actually going to visit it. Too much of an agnostic to care about places of worship.
Trivia Man
@eversor: a valid point that the official LDS positions are not at the level of nuttery found in other Xtian sects. In many ways their official positions are admirable and compassionate.
BUT
There is a HUGE portion in the Amon Bundy segment. Idaho specifically but also any place with a rural setting and high % of Mormons. My relatives admired the Birchers but thought they were too soft on communism. (Really!)
Current leadership is VERY conservative and VERY sympathetic to Bundy and that ilk.
Cacti
@eversor: Mormon Patricians like Romney and Huntsman and Marriott have something of a pass to march to their own drum because of the large tithes and other largesse they shower on the church.
The rank and file are given no such latitude and tend to be a lot more right wing authoritarian.
Trivia Man
@Trivia Man: Winter home
Trivia Man
@Cacti: In order to enter the temple you must pass an interview and prove worthiness. Until about 10 years ago, working at a casino was an immediate FAIL. Dealer, waitress, janitor… didn’t matter. UNLESS… you were special. At one time the VP of marketing (!) at a major casino was in a position of high church authority.
VOR
@Rob in CT: It’s the No True Scotsman fallacy. I’ve seen MAGAts argue that the rioters on J6 must have been antifa because all Trump supporters are kind, gentle, well behaved souls. They say this while wearing shirts with violent slogans and chanting FJB. This heavily armed guy couldn’t have been serious about his death threats because he was one of us, therefore he must have just been blowing off steam. Next step is to claim he is just a lone wolf, the fact tons of other MAGAts use identical rhetoric is just a coincidence.
Miss Bianca
@satby: And Gerald Ford, the subject of not just one but TWO assassination attempts within, like, a week. Both women, Squeaky Fromme being the first.*
*I think you’re right about the 100-year span.
Roberto el oso
2 thoughts:
I’ve been in some ratty parking garages in my time but I have yet to see a big pile of grass sitting in a corner ….
No fool like an old fool ….
LiminalOwl
@eversor:
Romney told happy little anecdotes about torturing his dog, and he wanted MassHealth to cut off all payment for psychiatric meds. I appreciate his anti-Trumpism but would never mistake him for a decent human being.
Ruckus
@Leto:
As an old fart who has been around and invested in politics because of the republican party and wanting none of it, I have to say, it is worse today than 60 yrs ago, by far.
And the reason is not that they are a lot worse in their desires to control everything so that they world looks like their imagined paradise of repression and control, which they are, it’s that the world has changed and they don’t like that one bit. They lost and lost badly. Because they deserved to lose, because it’s not a political party any longer, it is a repressive desire to control what they see as the worst of everything – progress.
This nation has progressed to be fairer, more open, have equality, remove racism, raise all the fucking boats. We of course aren’t there yet and may never get all the way, but we have progressed far in my lifetime. Very far. The rabid clowns of the rethuglican party DO NOT WANT PROGRESS, FREEDOM, EQUALITY FOR ALL They want control, they want racism, they want what they think they had over 200 yrs ago because they have lost control. They thought that they got it back with ShitForBrains. But this country has progressed, it is far better than even when I was born. But while it is a change for the betterment of all, even them, they can’t see it that way because they want the past, and not a past that even existed when many alive today existed. They are the people that want what they think they had. But they didn’t have anything. Other than a political hate which allowed the world to not change for the far better. But they are conservatives, they hate change. That is their holly grail – hate and control. And they have lost that. SFB gave them the perfect example of getting their hate and control back. He is who they want and they had him in control. And most of us saw what that meant. Everything turning back to shit.
Ruckus
@Kay:
“OH, he was a woodworker!” What does that matter in this context?
It’s a before line of work. Not mass produced. Not built in China.
It doesn’t have to make sense to you but they think it should. Because all they can see is the past they think they had – and they very likely didn’t. They don’t want the future, they don’t want equality. The want hierarchy, with as a culture, them or those that look like them at the top. This country since it’s current inception took that away from them, that concept of them not being equal, not of them being better and they hate that. It has taken most of 200 yrs to get this country to recognize what it should be, and almost another century to even get close. I wonder it I will ever in my lifetime see real success. I hope so. I’m not holding my breath.