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You are here: Home / Open Threads / ‘I Love Days When A Woman of Color and Great Power Gets to Decide the Fate of an Old Racist Impotent Orange Man’

‘I Love Days When A Woman of Color and Great Power Gets to Decide the Fate of an Old Racist Impotent Orange Man’

by WaterGirl|  August 11, 20239:48 am| 172 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Politics, Trump Indictments

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I loved the tweet from SilverMercury and wanted to savor it with a post title.

We certainly live in interesting times.  The hearing about the Protective Order starts this morning at 10 am Eastern time.  I know Judge Chutkan set Aug 28 for announcing the trial date, but I wonder if there will be any reference today to the trial date proposed by Jack Smith?

I love days when a woman of color and great power gets to decide the fate of an old racist impotent orange man.

— SilverMercury (@LabelleMercure) August 11, 2023

There is also speculation about CIPA by Marcy Wheeler and others, related to the Jan 6 / Coup Case, but I don’t really understand the references.  Does anyone know what that’s about?

I also never expected (fake) Jack Smith to be sweet.  Here’s a screen capture so you can read the whole thing without clicking.

'I Love Days When A Woman of Color and Great Power Gets to Decide the Fate of an Old Racist and Impotent Man

I confess to wondering what exactly he is referring to when he said “gift”.  I also wonder how any of us are able to get any work done when there is so much going on!

Open thread.

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  1. 1.

    WaterGirl

    August 11, 2023 at 9:52 am

    I have to run to the bank for a minute, and I imagine that by the time I get back, we will know more than we do now!

  2. 2.

    planetjanet

    August 11, 2023 at 9:55 am

    @WaterGirl: The gift was his reply to his own post:  white folding chairs

  3. 3.

    WaterGirl

    August 11, 2023 at 9:55 am

    @planetjanet: I saw that image, but I didn’t understand it.  What’s the significance of white folding chairs?

  4. 4.

    MomDoc

    August 11, 2023 at 9:57 am

    @WaterGirl: I suspect it’s in reference to the Montgomery Riverboat Brawl where one participant grabbed a white folding chair and started smashing people with it.

  5. 5.

    planetjanet

    August 11, 2023 at 9:58 am

    @WaterGirl: It is a meme from the Montgomery, AL boardwalk brawl.  One person used a white folding chair.

  6. 6.

    Dangerman

    August 11, 2023 at 9:58 am

    WTF is CIPA?

    Take pity on me. Decaf. Enough said.

    But, seriously, shit’s starting to fly fast (Jack Smith) and furious (you know who) and it’s getting hard to keep up.

  7. 7.

    WereBear

    August 11, 2023 at 9:59 am

    This is much better than the Watergate hearings. That series ended badly for justice.

    But then, even I will admit Nixon was not all bad. And heaven help us all, Trump IS.

  8. 8.

    eclare

    August 11, 2023 at 9:59 am

    @planetjanet:

    Perfect!  WaterGirl, from the Montgomery racist throw down, also great post title.

  9. 9.

    eclare

    August 11, 2023 at 10:00 am

    @Dangerman:

    It has something to do with how national security secrets are treated in court.

  10. 10.

    planetjanet

    August 11, 2023 at 10:00 am

    @Dangerman: Classified Information Procedures Act.

    https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-2054-synopsis-classified-information-procedures-act-cipa

  11. 11.

    EthylEster

    August 11, 2023 at 10:00 am

    https://wapo.st/3DT4Poo

    Jennifer Rubin chimes in.

  12. 12.

    LAO

    August 11, 2023 at 10:04 am

    For those of you still on twitter, this reporter is live tweeting

     

     

     https://twitter.com/brandi_buchman/status/1690000335891251200?s=46&t=X9PV5VKSwOZNT_u34CCUFQ

  13. 13.

    rikyrah

    August 11, 2023 at 10:05 am

    They really should have cameras in the courtroom

  14. 14.

    eclare

    August 11, 2023 at 10:05 am

    @LAO:

    Thanks!  I also wanted to chime in with best wishes for your mom.

  15. 15.

    Villago Delenda Est

    August 11, 2023 at 10:06 am

    Maggie Haberhack, the Vichy Times expert on the PAB, says that his strategy here is to use his cultists as a shield. Given that they are stupid enough to be manipulated by him, it seems like a pretty sure thing.

  16. 16.

    trollhattan

    August 11, 2023 at 10:09 am

    Stephen Miller is coming for the people who make your corn flakes.

    A conservative legal group has filed a civil rights complain asking America’s anti-discrimination agency to investigate cereal company Kellogg’s over its diversity policies and programs.

    America First Legal Foundation (AFL), a group run spearheaded by Stephen Miller—one of the architects of the Trump administration’s infamous family separation policy, wants the US Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) to probe Kellogg’s over its hiring practices. In a letter to the commission dated Aug. 9, the group accused the company of violating Title VII of the Constitution by engaging “in unlawful employment practices by seeking to ‘balance’ its workforce based on race, color, national origin, and sex.” The group alleged several of Kellogg’s “equity” diversity efforts are in fact “a euphemism for illegal discrimination.”

    With affirmative action struck down at universities, conservatives have hinted that diversity and inclusion programs in corporate America could be next on the judicial hit list. Companies that are on Republicans’ radar have been toeing a tough line since.

    The anti-diversity and inclusion push complements a growing wave of racist and anti-LGBTQ sentiment gripping red states. Entertainment behemoth Disney even pulled a billion-dollar project from Florida over state governor Ron DeSantis’ anti-LGBTQ policies. AFL has also taken up a fight on that front, sending a separate letter to Kellogg’s board alleging that the company’s “management has discarded the Company’s long-held family-friendly marketing approach to politicize and sexualize its products.”

    AFL criticized cereal boxes celebrating LGBTQ Pride Month and Cheez-It cracker boxes featuring drag queen RuPaul. The non-profit also called out a June 2023 photo where Frosted Flakes mascot Tony the Tiger posed alongside transgender influencer Dylan Mulvaney, whose campaign with Bud Light earlier this year became a flash point for right-wing outrage.
    https://qz.com/conservative-afl-kelloggs-diversity-hiring-crusade-1850728102?utm_source=email&utm_medium=Quartz_Daily_Brief_US&utm_content=1850728141

    Weird time, or the weirdest time?

  17. 17.

    LAO

    August 11, 2023 at 10:10 am

    @eclare: thank you.

    And wow Brandi Buchman is a straight up stenographer. She’s doing a great job.

  18. 18.

    Mai Naem mobileI

    August 11, 2023 at 10:11 am

    @MomDoc: there’s a funny meme where somebody’s photoshopped Jack Smith holding a folding chair(in place of his folder.)

  19. 19.

    NotMax

    August 11, 2023 at 10:12 am

    @trollhattan

    Aspirational cereal killer.
    //

  20. 20.

    rikyrah

    August 11, 2023 at 10:13 am

    @LAO:

    Positive wishes for your mother🙏🏾

  21. 21.

    LAO

    August 11, 2023 at 10:15 am

    @rikyrah: thank you.

  22. 22.

    trollhattan

    August 11, 2023 at 10:18 am

    @NotMax: ​
    How many missing pets in Steven Miller’s childhood neighborhood?
    Asking for a friend.

  23. 23.

    TS

    August 11, 2023 at 10:22 am

    @LAO:

    Thank you – and it seems the good Judge is definitely looking at both sides – not only fair but seen to be fair.

  24. 24.

    AnneWith

    August 11, 2023 at 10:23 am

    @WaterGirl:

    Wonkette has your back:

    https://www.wonkette.com/p/heres-why-everyones-suddenly-talking

  25. 25.

    Ken

    August 11, 2023 at 10:24 am

    @trollhattan: How many missing pets in Steven Miller’s childhood neighborhood?

    Why limit it to his childhood neighborhood?

  26. 26.

    LAO

    August 11, 2023 at 10:29 am

    @TS: I’m so impressed with Judge Chutkan. (Not surprised at all but really, really impressed).

  27. 27.

    Chief Oshkosh

    August 11, 2023 at 10:30 am

    @trollhattan: Now that is a dude that needs to have a serious accident in the middle of a cornfield.

  28. 28.

    Chief Oshkosh

    August 11, 2023 at 10:31 am

    @EthylEster: Meh. Rubin has no particular expertise on those issues. I’ll stick with the people who actually get stuff done, like Fani.

  29. 29.

    LAO

    August 11, 2023 at 10:33 am

    I really wish this hearing was televised.

  30. 30.

    TS

    August 11, 2023 at 10:34 am

    @LAO:

    Chutkan: What the effects on the political campaign are, are not before me and will not influence me here. This is a criminal trial. Brought at the time the prosecution was ready to bring charges. I don’t have any control over that. I cannot and…

    and will not factor in my decisions on whether it will effect a political campaign on either side.

    Regardless as to what she does – trump will be talking about it on the campaign trail.

  31. 31.

    WereBear

    August 11, 2023 at 10:35 am

    @trollhattan: Well, in Georgian England people wore their underwear on the outside and had orgies in the woods on private estates. They so embarrassed their descendants they turned into Victorians.

    That was probably another whopper of an arc to deal with.

  32. 32.

    WaterGirl

    August 11, 2023 at 10:35 am

    @EthylEster: I usually agree with Jennifer Rubin these days but on this I do not.

    Her case is not going to be the case that (hopefully) gives the first conviction.

    I think it’s a good thing to have some “lean and mean” cases the can proceed quickly, and also one that will round up a bunch of his top-level minions.  I think that is an important part of ensuring that something like this doesn’t happen again.

  33. 33.

    LAO

    August 11, 2023 at 10:37 am

    @TS: yeah. I’m sure he’s posting about on truth social right now.

  34. 34.

    WereBear

    August 11, 2023 at 10:37 am

    @trollhattan: The irony is, Kellogg’s is a financial arm of the 7th Day Adventist Church. This should be interesting.

  35. 35.

    Mr. Bemused Senior

    August 11, 2023 at 10:40 am

    Perhaps they will go after Proctor & Gamble, the well known Satanists, next.

  36. 36.

    WereBear

    August 11, 2023 at 10:41 am

    @Mai Naem mobileI: I also like the “I have come here to chew bubblegum and indict…”

  37. 37.

    WaterGirl

    August 11, 2023 at 10:41 am

    @LAO: Wait, I thought that the two Trump’s attorneys who “wanted to be at his hearing” weren’t both available on Wed, Thurs, or Friday, respectively.

    Now, amazingly, they are both able to be present.  It’s a miracle!  I definitely can’t be that they were trying to delay.

  38. 38.

    JPL

    August 11, 2023 at 10:41 am

    GottaLaff@Mastodon is posting about the hearing.

  39. 39.

    TS

    August 11, 2023 at 10:42 am

    @LAO:

    Is this what the government wanted?

    She does not accept Trump’s edit that exempts from protective order any records that become publicly available. Discovery mats could become public any number of ways, some improper.
    Chutkan says instead, she’ll retain gov lang that exempts only records that are publicly avail

  40. 40.

    JPL

    August 11, 2023 at 10:42 am

    @LAO:

    Via Ryan Reilly:

    A shame there are no cameras in the courtroom because some of the side eyes that Judge Chutkan has given defendant Trump’s lawyer would make very good GIFs.

  41. 41.

    LAO

    August 11, 2023 at 10:44 am

    @WaterGirl: actually, it appears the Judge wasn’t available, at least according to her opening remarks.

    im following a reporter that I posted above, she’s a straight up court stenographer.

  42. 42.

    WereBear

    August 11, 2023 at 10:44 am

    @JPL: THis works better

     

    https://mastodon.social/@GottaLaff

  43. 43.

    Chief Oshkosh

    August 11, 2023 at 10:45 am

    @WaterGirl: I agree. If anything, it reminds those fuck-ups that, even if Mango Mussolini could pardon them of federal convictions, they likely won’t be pardoned of a state conviction. Plus, I don’t think GA state penitentiaries are that nice. I’m mean, they’re no Angola, but…

  44. 44.

    LAO

    August 11, 2023 at 10:46 am

    @JPL: hahaha

  45. 45.

    Ken

    August 11, 2023 at 10:47 am

    @LAO: I’m so impressed with Judge Chutkan.

    JUDGE CHUTKAN: A brief word on briefing schedule, under local rules, a party can oppose a motion within 14 days of date of service or when court directs. Under rule 47d, the default deadline is 7 days after service of memo in opposition. Rules state in DC, the binding precedent is that the burden of showing good cause is on parties seeking the order; safety of witnesses and others are weighed; danger of perjury or witness intimidation, protection of info vital to natsec also weighed.

    JUDGE CANNON: Wait, I’m supposed to swear in the jury at a trial?

    (First quotes are verbatim from the Brandi Buchmann nitter livestream linked above; second quote is made up but based on a real incident. And Chutkan doesn’t just shine by contrast.)

  46. 46.

    Mr. Bemused Senior

    August 11, 2023 at 10:47 am

    @JPL: we can hope for a good sketch artist.

  47. 47.

    Ken

    August 11, 2023 at 10:58 am

    @LAO: Yes, very good reporting.

    And I’m pleased to see this:

    Lauro: We can’t ignore he’s in the middle of political campaign.

    Chutkan: I reiterate: the existence of a political campaign is not going to have any bearing on my decision, any more than any other lawyer coming before me saying their client needs to do their job

  48. 48.

    LAO

    August 11, 2023 at 11:02 am

    The defendant is going to straight up lose his shit after this hearing.

  49. 49.

    WaterGirl

    August 11, 2023 at 11:03 am

    @AnneWith: Thank you so much!

  50. 50.

    zhena gogolia

    August 11, 2023 at 11:03 am

    @Ken: Good for her! It’s so ridiculous, like any criminal could decide to run for office and have this delay his trial indefinitely.

  51. 51.

    catclub

    August 11, 2023 at 11:04 am

    @WereBear: ​
     

    But then, even I will admit Nixon was not all bad. And heaven help us all, Trump IS.

    I think one aspect Trump was not as bad as expected: stupid usage of nuclear and other weapons.

  52. 52.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 11, 2023 at 11:05 am

    @LAO:

    The defendant is going to straight up lose his shit after this hearing.

    Be a shame if the floating fat globules in his arteries all hit at once. A darned shame.

  53. 53.

    eclare

    August 11, 2023 at 11:06 am

    So is that it?  Did gov’t win?

  54. 54.

    Jackie

    August 11, 2023 at 11:06 am

    “Trump lawyer Lauro: “We can’t ignore the fact that there is a campaign” Judge Chutkan: “The existence of a political campaign is not going to have any bearing on my decision…I intend to keep politics out of this”. He has mentioned the campaign several times. Judge not amused.” 🤭

    https://twitter.com/AndrewFeinberg/status/1690008114962051072

  55. 55.

    Mr. Bemused Senior

    August 11, 2023 at 11:06 am

    @Ken: if Lauro keeps this up he’s going to get into trouble himself.

  56. 56.

    Baud

    August 11, 2023 at 11:10 am

    @Jackie:

    If we didn’t have a hack deficit, someone would point out that the Republicans broke any norm about criminal actions that interfere with campaigns when they cheered the investigation into EMAILS!

  57. 57.

    Jackie

    August 11, 2023 at 11:10 am

    @Mr. Bemused Senior: Lauro’s caught between a rock and a hard place; ie Chutkan and TIFG. Damned either way.

  58. 58.

    Sure Lurkalot

    August 11, 2023 at 11:11 am

    @WaterGirl: I’m with you! Liz Cheney made the J6 hearings all about Trump, so much so she painted violent insurrectionists as hapless duped rubes.

    There are thousands of people involved in the various schemes to block the peaceful transfer of power, they committed crimes and I’m going to posit that many of them knew what they were doing was not legal or at the very least, not right.

  59. 59.

    eclare

    August 11, 2023 at 11:13 am

    @Baud:

    Excellent point.

  60. 60.

    Elizabelle

    August 11, 2023 at 11:13 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:  Actually, it would be a shame.  He would escape justice.

    I don’t joke about Trump dying. I want him to go down, with multiple convictions.

  61. 61.

    LAO

    August 11, 2023 at 11:16 am

    @Elizabelle: In all seriousness, they better have a dr present when the lawyers explain what happened at the hearing. High likelihood that the defendant may stroke out.

  62. 62.

    Jackie

    August 11, 2023 at 11:17 am

    From Political Wire:

    “Federal judge Tanya Chutkan rejected Donald Trump’s request to designate witness transcripts and videos as non-sensitive, and thereby exclude them from the protective order.”

    “Said Chutkan: “Disclosure of any of those materials creates too great a risk that witnesses may be intimidated.””

    “She added that Trump’s defense is “conflating what your client needs to do to defend himself and what your client wants to do politically. Your client’s defense is supposed to happen in this courtroom, not on the internet.””

  63. 63.

    eclare

    August 11, 2023 at 11:17 am

    @Elizabelle:

    Yep.  CEO of Enron escaped justice the same way.

  64. 64.

    catclub

    August 11, 2023 at 11:17 am

    @Baud: George Bush the lesser fired US attorneys who refused to go after Democratic politicians before the 2004 election.

  65. 65.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 11, 2023 at 11:17 am

    @LAO: I was at the gym.  It seems the hearing did not go well for the defendant?

  66. 66.

    LAO

    August 11, 2023 at 11:18 am

    Favorite line by government so far:

    Windom: The defense has a certain level of trust in defendant that the government does not.

    https://twitter.com/brandi_buchman/status/1690019414140211200?s=46&t=X9PV5VKSwOZNT_u34CCUFQ

  67. 67.

    LAO

    August 11, 2023 at 11:19 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: still going, not great for trump but Chutkin is very fair and evenhanded.

  68. 68.

    Elizabelle

    August 11, 2023 at 11:19 am

    @LAO:  I have actually been worried about his stroking out.

    We have too many people (looking at you, Liz Cheney) who want to pretend the problem is mostly Trump.  That once he’s gone — all fresh again!  It’s morning in America.

    Trump is the figurehead.  He did not actually “build” this system.  He saw it was ripe for grifting and demagoguing.

    There is a whole system that is corrupted and dangerous, and all the people who participated need to be prosecuted.  Expose the rot.

  69. 69.

    catclub

    August 11, 2023 at 11:19 am

    @Jackie: “She added that Trump’s defense is “conflating what your client needs to do to defend himself and what your client wants to do politically. Your client’s defense is supposed to happen in this courtroom, not on the internet.””

     

    Excellent.

  70. 70.

    Elizabelle

    August 11, 2023 at 11:20 am

    @eclare:  Exactly what I was thinking of.  And I think Ken Lay’s family got to keep all the ill gotten filthy lucre.  (Maybe not.  Jackals can correct me if wrong.)

  71. 71.

    LAO

    August 11, 2023 at 11:20 am

    @Elizabelle: co-sign

  72. 72.

    prostratedragon

    August 11, 2023 at 11:21 am

    Thomas Windom: “The defense has a certain level of trust in defendant that the government does not.”

    I see LAO beat me to it.

  73. 73.

    LAO

    August 11, 2023 at 11:25 am

    @prostratedragon: It’s a very good line, worth repeating!

  74. 74.

    bbleh

    August 11, 2023 at 11:25 am

    @Dangerman: @eclare: haven’t followed the hearing yet, but CIPA is the Classified Information Protection Procedures Act (I think I have that right) that was put in place to govern the use of classified information at a trial and balance the rights of the defendant to see and use any pertinent evidence versus the interests of the government in protecting secrets.  So, eg, “you can see this secret info, but only at a SCIF, and we’re either gonna have to agree what you may discuss in open court and how or we’ll have the judge do it.”  It’s a big thing in the stolen documents case, but from what I understand a very minor one in the J6 case.

  75. 75.

    Mr. Bemused Senior

    August 11, 2023 at 11:27 am

    @Elizabelle:  I have no direct knowledge but it seems to me Jeff Skilling was the worst bad actor, Ken Lay was mostly a figurehead.  Just my opinion.

  76. 76.

    Dangerman

    August 11, 2023 at 11:28 am

    @LAO: The defendant is going to straight up lose his shit after this hearing.

    IANAL, but this seems destined for the Judge having to bring Trump in for warnings and, eventual, remand. He needs to be taught there are limits to his bullshit act.

  77. 77.

    prostratedragon

    August 11, 2023 at 11:29 am

    @LAO:  Almost rotating tag worthy.

  78. 78.

    Elizabelle

    August 11, 2023 at 11:30 am

    @Mr. Bemused Senior:  That is very possible.  Jeffrey Skilling was the mastermind.

    Lay still participated, and profited.

    Enron had at least one suicide.  I am not aware any of the Trumpsters have snuffed themselves.

  79. 79.

    catclub

    August 11, 2023 at 11:30 am

    @bbleh: Having watched Oppenheimer,  This exclusion of lawyers who are not cleared is something people will understand.

     

    Conversely, they will see that unlike Oppenheimer, Trump is getting a fair trial.

  80. 80.

    TS

    August 11, 2023 at 11:30 am

    Much talk about trump reviewing material on his own – and the process to ensure he does not copy or retain any such information – seems somewhat unnecessary as when did trump ever review anything other than a 1 page summary in 30 pt type

  81. 81.

    CaseyL

    August 11, 2023 at 11:31 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: ​
     

    It’s still in progress: they’re going over the protective order paragraph by paragraph.

    So far, the judge seems inclined to accept the government’s proposed limitations, with the big exception so far being that TFG can review documents alone, without people watching him. However, she has agreed that he will not be allowed to have any recording devices with him – no phone, for example. And that means someone – an attorney, a paralegal, someone – will have to be right outside the door and, uh, frisk him…?

    To me, this sounds like she will NOT agree to establish a “secure” location within MAL, since controlling TFG’s actions there is a no-hope non-starter.

  82. 82.

    Elizabelle

    August 11, 2023 at 11:32 am

    @TS:  I can see TIFG divulging, out of spite or for perceived benefit, even while he was so lackadaisical when his ass was parked in the Oval Office.

    Defendant here deserves no confidence.

  83. 83.

    catclub

    August 11, 2023 at 11:33 am

    @bbleh: ​
     

    It’s a big thing in the stolen documents case, but from what I understand a very minor one in the J6 case.

    Unless there were classified operational orders to Pence’s Secret Service Team.

  84. 84.

    Ken

    August 11, 2023 at 11:35 am

    @CaseyL: I will say, all this discussion of Trump sitting alone in a small room without any electronic devices has me feeling quite happy.

  85. 85.

    TS

    August 11, 2023 at 11:35 am

    @Elizabelle:

    I agree – my comment was somewhat tongue in cheek because the only reason trump would be reviewing anything would probably be to find information for his campaign.

  86. 86.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 11, 2023 at 11:35 am

    @catclub: OTOH, I’m a firm believer in picking the right battles at the right time, on the other, it drives me crazy how little it’s discussed that so much of what trump and his ilk do is just a more bombastic continuation of what Rs were doing all through the Bush and Obama years, and how much Bush-era disasters, from Iraq to the financial crash, led to trump. Now he’s the goofy but harmless cousin who paints somewhere down in Texas, bless his heart.

  87. 87.

    prostratedragon

    August 11, 2023 at 11:37 am

    @Dangerman:  “He needs to be taught there are limits to his bullshit act.”

    O brave new world!

    Migod, the man is 77 years old.

  88. 88.

    WaterGirl

    August 11, 2023 at 11:37 am

    @LAO: A thing of beauty, which is now a rotating tag.

  89. 89.

    trollhattan

    August 11, 2023 at 11:37 am

    @Jackie: She really does “get” him, and sees through his schtick with frickin’ lasers.

  90. 90.

    WaterGirl

    August 11, 2023 at 11:38 am

    @prostratedragon: Oops, I already made it a rotating tag.

    Why “almost”?

  91. 91.

    eclare

    August 11, 2023 at 11:39 am

    @Mr. Bemused Senior:

    Yeah, Lay’s defense was that he was only the CEO, how could he be expected to know what was going on at the company he runs? That does not fly with me, that is why CEO’s are supposedly paid so much.

  92. 92.

    TS

    August 11, 2023 at 11:39 am

    We surely haven’t seen much of what the prosecution has seen

    Now: Prosecutor Thomas Windom says there are 11.6 MILLION pages or files which are load ready, available at length in discovery.

  93. 93.

    LAO

    August 11, 2023 at 11:40 am

    @WaterGirl: 😂😂😬

  94. 94.

    WaterGirl

    August 11, 2023 at 11:40 am

    @catclub: That’s why everyone’s ears perked up with Jack Smith said he wanted to talk about a small thing that would involve CIPA in the Jan 6 Coup Case, when it wasn’t expected that anything in that case would involve CIPA.

  95. 95.

    Old School

    August 11, 2023 at 11:43 am

    11.6 million pages

    …

    Chutkan turns to Lauro and says she would imagine given that information, he will want to change whatever he had in mind for a proposed trial date— Brandi Buchman (@Brandi_Buchman) August 11, 2023

  96. 96.

    Mr. Bemused Senior

    August 11, 2023 at 11:43 am

    @eclare: yes, and that defense didn’t fly. He was convicted although the Wikipedia tells me the convictions were vacated after his death.

    I’m not excusing him. CEOs do bear responsibility for their underlings’ actions.  He was guilty at minimum of ignoring a big problem.

  97. 97.

    Dangerman

    August 11, 2023 at 11:43 am

    @prostratedragon: …the man is 77 years old.

    An old dog can be taught new tricks; it just takes a bigger rolled up newspaper (or a night in jail).

  98. 98.

    prostratedragon

    August 11, 2023 at 11:43 am

    @WaterGirl:  Oh, good! I just was unsure about things like 3rd party rules.

  99. 99.

    CaseyL

    August 11, 2023 at 11:43 am

    …and the hearing is now over.
    Among the closing comments by the judge (via Kyle Cheney):

    I intend to ensure the orderly administration of justice in this case as I would with any other case. Even arguably ambiguous statements from parties or their counsel … can threaten the process.
    In addition, the more a party makes inflammatory statements about this case which could taint the jury pool … the greater the urgency will be that we proceed to trial quickly … I will take whatever measures are necessary to safeguard the integrity of these proceedings​

  100. 100.

    LAO

    August 11, 2023 at 11:44 am

    Well, that went well for the government.

  101. 101.

    Jackie

    August 11, 2023 at 11:45 am

    @trollhattan: She and NancySmash have that in common 😊

    Judge Chutkan must have children! LOL

  102. 102.

    Juju

    August 11, 2023 at 11:45 am

    @Mai Naem mobileI: Jack Smith doesn’t look like a person who would actually need to use a folding chair in a brawl.

  103. 103.

    Baud

    August 11, 2023 at 11:45 am

    @CaseyL:

    the more a party makes inflammatory statements about this case which could taint the jury pool … the greater the urgency will be that we proceed to trial quickly

     

    She sure put Jack Smith on notice.

  104. 104.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 11, 2023 at 11:45 am

    Jordan Fischer @JordanOnRecord 18m

    LAURO: “In 40 years of practice I’ve never seen in a white collar case where counsel has to sit next to a client and literally babysit to make sure they don’t violate a protective order.”

    Has this guy been on Giligan’s Island for the last decade? that little radio didn’t pick up any news?

  105. 105.

    sdhays

    August 11, 2023 at 11:47 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: how much Bush-era disasters, from Iraq to the financial crash, led to trump

    Preach!

  106. 106.

    eclare

    August 11, 2023 at 11:48 am

    @Mr. Bemused Senior:

    Sorry to be terse.  I worked in the big corporate world for thirty years and have a very healthy dislike for CEO’s and their supposed superpowers.

    And at the time I worked for an energy trading company that filed for bankruptcy not long after Enron.

  107. 107.

    LAO

    August 11, 2023 at 11:48 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: The funny thing is, it’s not really a white collar crime — even though lawyers planned it. It’s a coup attempt, that had a violent component.

  108. 108.

    Baud

    August 11, 2023 at 11:48 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    @sdhays:

    Seconded.

  109. 109.

    bbleh

    August 11, 2023 at 11:48 am

    @WereBear: that was really helpful; thank you

  110. 110.

    Mr. Bemused Senior

    August 11, 2023 at 11:50 am

    @eclare: no problem.  I think we are in violent agreement.

  111. 111.

    Ken

    August 11, 2023 at 11:50 am

    @Old School: 11.6 million pages

    That’s more than 30,000 emails, isn’t it?

  112. 112.

    Jackie

    August 11, 2023 at 11:50 am

    @CaseyL: And the prosecutors said AMEN!

    The defense said 🤬

  113. 113.

    Ocotillo

    August 11, 2023 at 11:50 am

    Little help please, I am aware of what the “TFG” is but I see many posters also using “TIFG” also but am at a loss as to that abbreviation.

  114. 114.

    eclare

    August 11, 2023 at 11:51 am

    @Juju:

    No he does not.  He has done an Ironman triathalon.

  115. 115.

    Mr. Bemused Senior

    August 11, 2023 at 11:52 am

    @Ocotillo: many possibilities, but I think Indicted is the best. We can hope for it to become C.

  116. 116.

    zhena gogolia

    August 11, 2023 at 11:52 am

    @Ocotillo: The Indicted Former Guy.

    I too wish we’d stick to tried-and-true acronyms.

  117. 117.

    sdhays

    August 11, 2023 at 11:52 am

    @eclare: I think it might be accurate, looking at CEOs like Elon Musk, who is apparently still pretending to plan a literal fight with Meta CEO Zuckerberg. Clearly, these shits don’t think they have anything better to do, and should be compensated accordingly.

    Of course, it’s not an excuse at all. Being the CEO should make you responsible for things you should know about even if you were too lazy/incompetent/unprofessional to actually know.

  118. 118.

    Ken

    August 11, 2023 at 11:52 am

    @Ocotillo: I for Indicted. Also chosen in the hope it can be re-used for Imprisoned.

  119. 119.

    Ocotillo

    August 11, 2023 at 11:53 am

    Thanks to all!

  120. 120.

    Baud

    August 11, 2023 at 11:54 am

    I thought the “I” stood for incontinent.

  121. 121.

    eclare

    August 11, 2023 at 11:54 am

    @LAO:

    Yeah I don’t recall accountants, CFO’s, etc. invading company headquarters and smearing poo-poo (to use Pelosi’s term) on the walls.  Or beating police officers so viciously that they committed suicide.

  122. 122.

    Anoniminous

    August 11, 2023 at 11:55 am

    @Chief Oshkosh: ​
     
    Let’s conduct an penology experiment: we’ve got a solid bedrock of research about the affects and effects of US imprisonment, so let’s throw all convicted Trumpie types in Angola prisons so we can do a controlled contrast/compare.

  123. 123.

    Mr. Bemused Senior

    August 11, 2023 at 11:57 am

    @LAO: yeah, calling this a “white collar crime” is despicable.  OK, Trump is entitled to zealous representation but Lauro is a piece of work.

  124. 124.

    Jackie

    August 11, 2023 at 11:59 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Poor Lauro 😢🎻🎻🎻🤭

  125. 125.

    Scout211

    August 11, 2023 at 12:01 pm

    Here’s how CBS News reported it, as mostly a win for Trump.

    Judge in Jan. 6 case largely sides with Trump over special counsel in fight over protective order

     

    At a hearing in federal court in Washington on Friday, U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan said she would decline to adopt the order that special counsel Jack Smith requested last week, which would have prevented the “improper dissemination or use” of all evidence to the public that is turned over to Trump’s lawyers before the trial.

    Instead, she said she agreed with the proposed order from Trump’s legal team, who argued that only “sensitive” information should be kept under wraps. The Trump team’s order would not cover the disclosure of “non-sensitive” material.

     

    But Chutkan agreed with prosecutors that all recordings, transcripts and reports of witness testimony should be considered “sensitive” information that must be shielded from public view.

     

    IANAL. So who decides what is “sensitive” and what is “non-sensitive”? Is that in the order today?

  126. 126.

    bbleh

    August 11, 2023 at 12:02 pm

    @LAO: @Mr. Bemused Senior: my DEAR boy it shouldn’t even need to be SAID, but REPUBLICANS, and especially the BETTER sort, simply do not commit ANY kind of crime other than white-collar.

  127. 127.

    LAO

    August 11, 2023 at 12:03 pm

    @Baud: All joking aside, this may be the most brilliant thing the judge said. I real thing of beauty.

  128. 128.

    LAO

    August 11, 2023 at 12:03 pm

  129. 129.

    Bruce K in ATH-GR

    August 11, 2023 at 12:03 pm

    @Mr. Bemused Senior: I was just thinking: this is the sort of case that historically has ended with the assembly of a gibbet or a firing squad.

  130. 130.

    Baud

    August 11, 2023 at 12:03 pm

    @bbleh:

    May be a play for a nicer prison down the line.

  131. 131.

    Ken

    August 11, 2023 at 12:03 pm

    15 Quatloos Lauro is fired by next Friday. He failed Trump, plus Trump will see this as a way to delay.

    50 Quatloos Trump violates the terms of the protective order by 10PM eastern time tonight. I realize I will need to give odds on this.

  132. 132.

    LAO

    August 11, 2023 at 12:06 pm

    @Scout211: That was largely what the fight was today. It seems inaccurate to say that Trump won today’s hearing because the Court largely accepted the government’s designation of what is sensitive.

    ETA: government’s definition of sensitive is quite broad.

  133. 133.

    CaseyL

    August 11, 2023 at 12:07 pm

    @Scout211: ​
    I don’t think that’s accurate: I followed the hearing on Nitter, play by play, and it didn’t seem to me that the defense won very much.
    I’m not sure they established a venue for where TGF can review documents without adult supervision, though. I don’t recall seeing any mention of that.​

  134. 134.

    Jackie

    August 11, 2023 at 12:08 pm

    TIFG has a tattletale on his Truth Social. He’s gonna be livid!

    “The social media company owned by former President Donald Trump in March tipped off the FBI about threats made by a Utah man who was fatally shot Wednesday by FBI agents as they attempted to arrest him for threatening to kill President Joe Biden,” NBC Newsreports.

  135. 135.

    prostratedragon

    August 11, 2023 at 12:11 pm

    @LAO:  I think she started out seeming to challenge  gov on sensitivity, and then let Lauro talk his way into her agreeing to something closer to gov’s proposal.

  136. 136.

    LAO

    August 11, 2023 at 12:11 pm

    @CaseyL: there’s no limitation as to where he can review sensitive materials in the J6 case (except for a small portion of material that will be litigate on 8/28). He can’t disclose the sensitive materials to anyone not bound by the protective order. The material is not secret in the sense of the documents he stole in the Florida case.

  137. 137.

    LAO

    August 11, 2023 at 12:11 pm

    @prostratedragon: 💯

  138. 138.

    Ken

    August 11, 2023 at 12:12 pm

    @LAO: I hope this is not a shock, but sometimes the news media gets things wrong.

    Or perhaps there’s a general agreement to try to keep Trump happy. You see that sometimes in abused families, I could see it carrying over to the Trump-media relationship.

  139. 139.

    Shalimar

    August 11, 2023 at 12:14 pm

    @TS: I think there is zero chance Trump goes over any documents personally.  But there is a chance that a lawyer tells him that X witness interview has something he can libelously use on page Y and Trump goes in and steals the damned thing.

  140. 140.

    LAO

    August 11, 2023 at 12:15 pm

    @Ken: I don’t think there’s a conspiracy here, just a lack of understanding what the real issue was. Also, it doesn’t hurt the perception of the judge as evenhanded.

    I find myself ok with it actually

  141. 141.

    prostratedragon

    August 11, 2023 at 12:16 pm

    @CaseyL:  There was some language of what’s to be allowed or not that sounded in many ways like a scif. Where such place could be, e.g. courthouse, home, counsel’s office, wasn’t addressed.

  142. 142.

    eclare

    August 11, 2023 at 12:17 pm

    @LAO:

    Good point regarding perception.  Thanks for your analysis!

  143. 143.

    WaterGirl

    August 11, 2023 at 12:17 pm

    @prostratedragon: I did put it in quotes.

  144. 144.

    Mr. Bemused Senior

    August 11, 2023 at 12:18 pm

    @Ken: I don’t take sucker bets.

  145. 145.

    trollhattan

    August 11, 2023 at 12:19 pm

    @Jackie: Somebody there has ethics? Off wit their heads!

  146. 146.

    smith

    August 11, 2023 at 12:19 pm

    @LAO: That confused me, too. Wasn’t protection of witnesses against intimidation a major part of the government’s rationale for a broad protection order? I seems to me that having all the witness information protected goes a long way to meeting DOJ’s concerns. Also, it looks like the prosecution is the party that gets to identify what’s sensitive in the non-witness material.  Am I missing something? Is it just that TFG won’t need a babysitter when he looks at the discovery materials that makes it a big “win” for him?

  147. 147.

    Ken

    August 11, 2023 at 12:20 pm

    @CaseyL: I’m not sure they established a venue for where TGF can review documents without adult supervision, though.

    Hmm. The requirements are a small room, with no electronic equipment, where he’ll be searched before going in to make sure he’s got no phone or camera, and searched going out to make sure he’s not stuck some documents in his pocket or up his ass.

    Does DC have any Federal prison facilities? Seems a good match, and good practice for Trump.

  148. 148.

    LAO

    August 11, 2023 at 12:25 pm

    @smith: I don’t think you are missing anything. I’m going to rely on a smarter lawyer to explain how Trump won. Personally, i wouldn’t have walked out of the courtroom feeling like a winner.

  149. 149.

    Scout211

    August 11, 2023 at 12:26 pm

    @LAO: @CaseyL: @Ken:

    Agreed. CBS news tends to lean Right, and they are certainly not an outlier.  That’s old news here.

    However, I posted that article not because I saw it as accurate, but to highlight how the mainstream media will be reporting this.

  150. 150.

    VOR

    August 11, 2023 at 12:26 pm

    @catclub: Emptywheel speculated CIPA was invoked because there might be classified reports from the NSA or CIA about their investigations into the claim by the Kraken lady that Italian servers were changing votes via satellite. If this sounds nonsensical, that’s because it was at the time too. But if someone in the intelligence agencies did investigate, then there would be a trip report or other form of debrief.

  151. 151.

    WaterGirl

    August 11, 2023 at 12:27 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Has this guy been on Giligan’s Island for the last decade? that little radio didn’t pick up any news?

    Would have gone with “Have you met your client?”  But yours is better.

    LOL on sentence one.  Guffaw on sentence two!

  152. 152.

    JaySinWA

    August 11, 2023 at 12:29 pm

    While I imagine the PO will be posted quickly, the judge did reference statements made previously, saying that since neither side made them an issue today she wouldn’t rule on them.

    So the question I have is how much authority does she have outside of the PO before it is posted? I suppose since the defence doesn’t have any official disclosure documents yet, the PO isn’t relevant to statements made before disclosure. So the broader question is how do you deal with a problem like Donald, outside of protecting disclosed materials. Or even with a clear breach of the PO?

    What practical (in this particular case) tools are there to deal with the inevitable bad faith by T, his legal team or is political team.

  153. 153.

    WaterGirl

    August 11, 2023 at 12:29 pm

    @zhena gogolia: Count me in on that.  I think it makes some people feel like there’s an “in crowd” on Bj, and they are not in it.

  154. 154.

    bbleh

    August 11, 2023 at 12:36 pm

    @LAO: concur!

  155. 155.

    JaySinWA

    August 11, 2023 at 12:38 pm

    @LAO: Not a lawyer, but from a lay perspective the push back on the prosecution to identify sensitive materials instead of all discovery seems to open some litigation delay doors to contest the labelling. Getting all the interviews seen as sensitive claws some of that back, but I see some fights ahead just on that topic.

    A small win for T.

  156. 156.

    bbleh

    August 11, 2023 at 12:38 pm

    @Ken: @Mr. Bemused Senior:  The latter is so inevitable — it’s a reflex action — that I cannot imagine either the judge or the prosecution haven’t thought about it and about what they’ll do in response when (not if) he does it

  157. 157.

    JaySinWA

    August 11, 2023 at 12:44 pm

    @Ken:

    50 Quatloos Trump violates the terms of the protective order by 10PM eastern time tonight. I realize I will need to give odds on this.

    Will they hand over discovery today? They would have to have it in their hands and leak something pretty much immediately. Probably by Sunday morning gasbag time if the prosecution dumps it today, but 10PM today seems unlikely.

  158. 158.

    Ishiyama

    August 11, 2023 at 12:47 pm

    @WereBear: But then, even I will admit Nixon was not all bad. And heaven help us all, Trump IS.

    I won’t. Because I lived through it. Nixon was a world-class mass murderer. Trump is just a chump.

  159. 159.

    Burnspbesq

    August 11, 2023 at 1:00 pm

    @Dangerman:

    IANAL, but this seems destined for the Judge having to bring Trump in for warnings and, eventual, remand. He needs to be taught there are limits to his bullshit act.

    Toward the end of the hearing, the judge made a pretty pointed reference to Trump’s release conditions

  160. 160.

    Anonymous At Work

    August 11, 2023 at 1:06 pm

    From what I am reading all over and back, and IAAL but not a practicing one:
    Judge Chutkan’s protective order in 5 parts:
    1. Specific stuff that is usually protected gets protected.
    2. General stuff that isn’t usually protected isn’t protected.
    3. This is based on balancing the defendant’s right to speedy discovery and trial preparation against witness and evidentiary protections.
    4. If TFG spends his time shit-posting on social media, he’s clearly DONE with discovery and trial prep, so I’ll set an earlier trial date.
    5. As the judge, I’ll be closely monitoring the defendant’s pre-trial conduct.

    So, TFG will get his crowd-sourced army of amateur attorneys, but he’ll be responsible for their and his conduct to his detriment.

  161. 161.

    Anonymous At Work

    August 11, 2023 at 1:07 pm

    @Burnspbesq: Even more than just release.  She also was warning him that shit-posting and abusive behavior about the pre-trial material would be indicative that he was done with trial prep and/or cause for an accelerated schedule.

  162. 162.

    Burnspbesq

    August 11, 2023 at 1:08 pm

    @Scout211:

    IANAL. So who decides what is “sensitive” and what is “non-sensitive”? Is that in the order today?

    What will likely happen is that in its transmittals of discovery material, the Special Counsel will provide a list, by Bates number, of the things it considers sensitive. If the defense doesn’t like it, they can file a motion under seal asking the court to declare things non-sensitive.

  163. 163.

    Burnspbesq

    August 11, 2023 at 1:13 pm

    @Ken:

    Does DC have any Federal prison facilities? Seems a good match, and good practice for Trump.

    The nearest federal pen is in Cumberland, MD, unless you count the Marine brig at Quantico. Don’t know if the Army or Air Force have anything suitable at Fort Myer or Joint Base Andrews.

  164. 164.

    Bupalos

    August 11, 2023 at 1:19 pm

    That tweet is framed in terms of power, dominance, and ethnicity. Which is just a really bad place to go when we’re talking about a matter of presiding over the enforcement of the law. That kind of talk makes their ethnic panic seem less unhinged than it is.

    And no, this doesn’t mean I think we cause their paranoia or something. They come by that through the honest hard work of being cowardly hatemongers. But you can’t go there.

  165. 165.

    piratedan

    August 11, 2023 at 1:28 pm

    @Ken: they can put him in Florence (AZ) that way all of his fans have easy access to him.

  166. 166.

    Villago Delenda Est

    August 11, 2023 at 1:32 pm

    @Ken: The MSM consistently gets it wrong when it comes to the PAB (Pussy-Ass-Bitch, coined by Chrissy Teigen, for those not familiar).  I see this as a very even-handed ruling, and that Judge Chutkan is playing it straight with attention to integrity and detail.  This of course is beyond the comprehension of the MSM, who see EVERYTHING as a fucking horse race, which is why the Perseids falling on every one of their HQs would be a just event.

  167. 167.

    Ken

    August 11, 2023 at 1:51 pm

    @Anonymous At Work: (Judge Chutkan) If TFG spends his time shit-posting on social media, he’s clearly DONE with discovery and trial prep, so I’ll set an earlier trial date.

    This is pretty similar to what every legal observer said after Lauro went on every Sunday talk show and claimed that he just didn’t have time to respond to all the court and prosecution requests this week.

  168. 168.

    brantl

    August 11, 2023 at 2:15 pm

    @WereBear:  I lived through Tricky Dick, he was all bad , the stuff that looked goid was Potempkin village-marketing over the rancid interior.

  169. 169.

    Miss Bianca

    August 11, 2023 at 2:16 pm

    @piratedan: If you’re talking about the Supermax, that Florence is in CO, not AZ.

  170. 170.

    Gravenstone

    August 11, 2023 at 2:17 pm

    @trollhattan: First, you’re gonna have to prove to me that Stephen Miller has standing as a human being.

  171. 171.

    Gravenstone

    August 11, 2023 at 2:38 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: LAURO: “In 40 years of practice I’ve never seen in a white collar case where counsel has to sit next to a client and literally babysit to make sure they don’t violate a protective order.”

    Ya know, if your client were an actual sane, mature adult you  likely wouldn’t have to worry whether they could adhere to instruction and thus not feel compelled to “babysit” them. Choose better next time?

  172. 172.

    Chris T.

    August 12, 2023 at 5:23 am

    @Dangerman:

    WTF is CIPA?

    Congenital Insensitivity to Pain with Anhydrosis (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3564101/).  (Anhydrosis is “lack of sweating”; the condition is very rare and those with it don’t realize they have injuries, potentially serious and/or fatal ones.) Obviously the Fake Jack Smith is saying she should use her power to ignore all pain.

    (Yes, I know this isn’t the right expansion of the acronym for this particular comment. I’m using this version to express a dry sarcastic wit, as a lesson to all to expand your damn acronyms. Of course this lesson will be entirely lost to all.)

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