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You are here: Home / Open Threads / Tick-Tock MOFO

Tick-Tock MOFO

by TaMara|  August 14, 20238:56 pm| 387 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Trump Crime Cartel, Lock Him Up...Lock Them All Up

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Joe Biden watching the news right now. pic.twitter.com/UmVcJj8Rg7

— Alex Cole (@acnewsitics) August 15, 2023

❤️ https://t.co/gPc1bBah3K

— Miss T (Recipe For Murder now available!) (@TaMarasKitchen) August 15, 2023

Here we go….

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387Comments

  1. 1.

    Ishiyama

    August 14, 2023 at 8:57 pm

    Let Justice roll down …

  2. 2.

    Jerzy Russian

    August 14, 2023 at 8:59 pm

    Joe is the boss!

  3. 3.

    prostratedragon

    August 14, 2023 at 9:01 pm

    Ten indictments.

  4. 4.

    hells littlest angel

    August 14, 2023 at 9:02 pm

    Break it to Eric slowly. Tell him Daddy is on the roof.

  5. 5.

    Spanky

    August 14, 2023 at 9:02 pm

    How long until we see who gets how many?

  6. 6.

    rikyrah

    August 14, 2023 at 9:03 pm

    JoeyB🤗🤗🤗🤗

  7. 7.

    PaulWartenberg

    August 14, 2023 at 9:05 pm

    @prostratedragon:

    I was promised 69…

  8. 8.

    CaseyL

    August 14, 2023 at 9:05 pm

    Per Rachel, we now wait for the indictments to be unsealed, and she doesn’t know when that will be.

  9. 9.

    PaulWartenberg

    August 14, 2023 at 9:06 pm

    I thought Rachel Maddow was going to talk to Hillary tonight. If so, how much wine will be shared between the two?

  10. 10.

    UncleEbeneezer

    August 14, 2023 at 9:07 pm

    Weissman is the legal analyst…ugh.  Countdown to him bashing Garland in 3, 2, 1…

    Oh well at least I have good beer!!

  11. 11.

    NotMax

    August 14, 2023 at 9:07 pm

    3 p.m. here in Hawaii. Settled in for the duration.

  12. 12.

    MomSense

    August 14, 2023 at 9:07 pm

    Hot damn!

  13. 13.

    Righteous Hazard

    August 14, 2023 at 9:08 pm

    I dunno if the timing is random, but if it isn’t, I would like to tip my hat to the DA.

    Usually, you get some legal action like this earlier in the day and the GOP treason team has time to do a distraction and get the talking points and guests lined up for the evening news shows.

    Not this time. The arrival of the indictments IS the news, and is happening fresh, live on the evening news, with no prebuttal or distraction possible

    Suck it, team treason. Well done, DA Fani Wills.

  14. 14.

    Alison Rose

    August 14, 2023 at 9:08 pm

    I don’t know which thread to comment in, but I wanna hear the damn details. Does the Devil have to go back down there to weasel it outta them?

  15. 15.

    rikyrah

    August 14, 2023 at 9:09 pm

    TEN INDICTMENTS

  16. 16.

    Ishiyama

    August 14, 2023 at 9:10 pm

    @NotMax: Ditto. Can’t leave the spectacle. Here in Hilo.

  17. 17.

    dmsilev

    August 14, 2023 at 9:10 pm

    @rikyrah: <Oprah> You get an indictment! And You get an indictment! EVERYONE gets an indictment!</Oprah>

  18. 18.

    Misterpuff

    August 14, 2023 at 9:10 pm

    With six, you get eggrolls.

  19. 19.

    HeleninEire

    August 14, 2023 at 9:10 pm

    Hi TaMara. I love you to death. But is there anyway you can take this down so I can only follow the last post?

  20. 20.

    Elizabelle

    August 14, 2023 at 9:11 pm

    My internet just came back on.  Tells me I need to be somewhere with cable when TIFG’s verdicts come down.

  21. 21.

    NotMax

    August 14, 2023 at 9:11 pm

    When do Rs begin squawking about the kerning on the documents?
    //

  22. 22.

    Elizabelle

    August 14, 2023 at 9:11 pm

    @Righteous Hazard:   That’s a good point.

  23. 23.

    dmsilev

    August 14, 2023 at 9:12 pm

    @Misterpuff: If he gets ten punches on his indictment card, the 11th one is free.

  24. 24.

    UncleEbeneezer

    August 14, 2023 at 9:12 pm

    @PaulWartenberg: Oh shit.  I wonder if Hillary is on set.  Oh PLEASE have her on, please, please, PLEEEEASSSSEEE…

  25. 25.

    Anoniminous

    August 14, 2023 at 9:12 pm

    @dmsilev:

    And a ham sandwich

  26. 26.

    Alison Rose

    August 14, 2023 at 9:13 pm

    @rikyrah: THE NUMBER OF THE DAY IS….

  27. 27.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    August 14, 2023 at 9:13 pm

    Best wishes and best of luck to Fani Willis and her team in their efforts to bring scumbag Donald Trump to justice!

     

    Hot ‘Lanta – The Allman Brothers Band

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWSoo3bLhIc

     

    Statesboro Blues – The Allman Brothers Band

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWy3Q30Cn2A

  28. 28.

    Baud

    August 14, 2023 at 9:13 pm

    3 hours!

    Waiting for Hilary.

  29. 29.

    Yarrow

    August 14, 2023 at 9:13 pm

    Tick tock, motherfucker! Tick fucking tock!

  30. 30.

    Mai Naem mobileI

    August 14, 2023 at 9:13 pm

    The Biden tweets all wrong. Everybody knows Biden would be eating a three scoop ice cream cone.

  31. 31.

    prostratedragon

    August 14, 2023 at 9:14 pm

    @Alison Rose: 😁

  32. 32.

    TaMara

    August 14, 2023 at 9:14 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer: I suspect it was either recorded or they new early enough that she rescheduled.

    But it would be awesome if she was on set and they could chat about it. I’d get the popcorn and wine to join them.

  33. 33.

    Baud

    August 14, 2023 at 9:14 pm

    Wow. Grand jury members are public.

  34. 34.

    Alison Rose

    August 14, 2023 at 9:14 pm

     

    The clerk of the Fulton County Superior Court has returned to her office with the documents. She said that “worst case,” it’ll be three hours until copies are made public.

    HAHAHAHA WEST COAST BEST COAST.

  35. 35.

    Mai Naem mobileI

    August 14, 2023 at 9:15 pm

    How do the sentences work if he gets convicted everywhere? Consecutive or concurrent? I mean I know practically it doesn’t make a difference but I still want to know.

  36. 36.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 14, 2023 at 9:16 pm

    @Alison Rose: Or this.

  37. 37.

    WaterGirl

    August 14, 2023 at 9:16 pm

    @HeleninEire:

    I just closed comments on my thread so everyone can congregate in one room, in the top post on BJ.

  38. 38.

    prostratedragon

    August 14, 2023 at 9:16 pm

    @Baud:  That surprised me a little. Wonder if they can delay the release of nsmes.

  39. 39.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    August 14, 2023 at 9:16 pm

    @Baud:

    Wow. Grand jury members are public.

    For any lawyers, is that SOP? If I was on the GJ, I’m not sure I’d want my name public so I could be harassed by the MAGA cult

  40. 40.

    dmsilev

    August 14, 2023 at 9:16 pm

    @Alison Rose: Now the court is just trolling everyone.

  41. 41.

    Alison Rose

    August 14, 2023 at 9:17 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Oh please oh please let someone with the keys to the Sesame Street twitter account tweet that out.

  42. 42.

    HeleninEire

    August 14, 2023 at 9:18 pm

    @HeleninEire: OK so we are here. Grand.

  43. 43.

    Nukular Biskits

    August 14, 2023 at 9:19 pm

    Sorry, folks. As much as I’d like to stay up and enjoy the Indictmentpalooza, Mr. Sandman is calling.

    Y’all enjoy for me!

  44. 44.

    catclub

    August 14, 2023 at 9:19 pm

    The Capitol Steps singing group had a CD titled ‘ You’re so indicted’

  45. 45.

    japa21

    August 14, 2023 at 9:21 pm

    OK, I made it this far, but there is no way I can make it for 3 hours.

  46. 46.

    Ken

    August 14, 2023 at 9:21 pm

    @Mai Naem mobileI: How do the sentences work if he gets convicted everywhere? Consecutive or concurrent?

    I am reminded from a line in Terry Pratchett’s Small Gods, where the Omnian Church found a man guilty of heresy and had him displayed in every town of their empire. As they had a lot of towns, they had to cut him into small pieces.

  47. 47.

    LAO

    August 14, 2023 at 9:22 pm

    @WaterGirl: You run outside with your dog and everything changes.

  48. 48.

    Elizabelle

    August 14, 2023 at 9:22 pm

    “The prosecutors got everything they wanted.”

    Moar of this, please.

  49. 49.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    August 14, 2023 at 9:22 pm

    So to summarize, it’s only been revealed the number of indictments. Not who’s been indicted (aside from Trump, obviously) and what those charges are

  50. 50.

    Jackie

    August 14, 2023 at 9:22 pm

    @Alison Rose:

    “HAHAHAHA WEST COAST BEST COAST.”

    Yes, indeedy!!!😁

  51. 51.

    RaflW

    August 14, 2023 at 9:22 pm

    Ahhh, just back from a meeting and errands, and sitting down to a cream cheese frosted pumpkin bar. And some news.

  52. 52.

    kalakal

    August 14, 2023 at 9:22 pm

  53. 53.

    Greg T

    August 14, 2023 at 9:23 pm

    @Mai Naem mobileI:

    How do the sentences work if he gets convicted everywhere? Consecutive or concurrent? I mean I know practically it doesn’t make a difference but I still want to know.

    Unless a particular statute says differently (requiring consecutive, for instance), it is usually up to whichever judge(s) pronounce sentence later. That judge decides whether the new time can be served concurrently with whatever the defendant is currently imprisoned for, or whether it needs to be consecutive afterwards.

  54. 54.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 14, 2023 at 9:24 pm

    Press conference after the indictments are released to the public.

  55. 55.

    Ishiyama

    August 14, 2023 at 9:24 pm

    You go with RICO in one indictment, and the predicate crimes in separate indictments. Maximizes chances of convicting of something.

  56. 56.

    rikyrah

    August 14, 2023 at 9:24 pm

    🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗

     

    I didn’t expect this tonight

  57. 57.

    Elizabelle

    August 14, 2023 at 9:25 pm

    @Yarrow:

    Tick tock, motherfucker! Tick fucking tock!

    So good to have you here, in person, saying that.

  58. 58.

    BeautifulPlumage

    August 14, 2023 at 9:25 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: an in-person indictment song! How did they know 🥰🥰🥰

  59. 59.

    zhena gogolia

    August 14, 2023 at 9:25 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Haven’t seen that one in a while!

  60. 60.

    HeleninEire

    August 14, 2023 at 9:25 pm

    @WaterGirl: Thanks

  61. 61.

    geg6

    August 14, 2023 at 9:26 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    For real.

  62. 62.

    Erin

    August 14, 2023 at 9:27 pm

    Oops, indicted again
    I played with your votes
    Got lost in my head
    Ooh, baby, baby
    Oops, I think I’m above
    The law, but the jury says that
    I’m not that innocent

  63. 63.

    Baud

    August 14, 2023 at 9:27 pm

    I might catch Hillary tomorrow on streaming.

  64. 64.

    Righteous Hazard

    August 14, 2023 at 9:27 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Again, Wills showing skills. That presser is gonna be perfectly timed for late news shows across most of the US

  65. 65.

    Jeffro

    August 14, 2023 at 9:27 pm

    “Hello, boss?  Yes…I had plans to show up for work tomorrow, but…sometimes life just gets in the way…”

    LOLOL

  66. 66.

    Elizabelle

    August 14, 2023 at 9:28 pm

    This judge is so familiar looking.  Why have we seen him before?

  67. 67.

    zhena gogolia

    August 14, 2023 at 9:28 pm

    @japa21: Me either.

  68. 68.

    Jackie

    August 14, 2023 at 9:29 pm

    https://youtu.be/4NwP3wes4M8

  69. 69.

    cain

    August 14, 2023 at 9:29 pm

    Looks like I missed the live stream. Thanks for all the updates!

  70. 70.

    C Stars

    August 14, 2023 at 9:29 pm

    Sometimes bad things happen to bad people.

  71. 71.

    RaflW

    August 14, 2023 at 9:30 pm

    Just hearing from Gwen keys Fleming that there are no “no bills”, meaning that all charges that D.A. Willis put forward were taken up by the Grand Jury and accepted for charging. And that all persons Willis intended to charge will be charged.

  72. 72.

    Jackie

    August 14, 2023 at 9:30 pm

    @Elizabelle: I think he looks like Jack Smith’s brother.

  73. 73.

    Mr. Bemused Senior

    August 14, 2023 at 9:30 pm

    @Jackie:  my thoughts exactly. 😁

  74. 74.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 14, 2023 at 9:30 pm

    This is a truly historical moment. The United States hasn’t indicated a former US President since last month

  75. 75.

    MomSense

    August 14, 2023 at 9:30 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    HA!

  76. 76.

    LAO

    August 14, 2023 at 9:31 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Apparently, according to Gwen Keyes Fleming, Former Dekalb County DA, it is the ordinary course of business in Georgia that the defendants are entitled to know the name of the grand jurors.  This is not how we do things in New York.

  77. 77.

    BeautifulPlumage

    August 14, 2023 at 9:31 pm

    Dang! Too hot to bake, I should’ve pick up a celebratory treat when out earlier today. Maybe a nice ice cream treat tomorrow.

    Good thing Popehat is west coast

  78. 78.

    Yarrow

    August 14, 2023 at 9:32 pm

    @Elizabelle: @geg6:
    Happy to be of service.

  79. 79.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    August 14, 2023 at 9:32 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

    I hadn’t seen that gif in awhile either. Never knew what it was from until I looked up just now. That’s Jason Momoa before he was super famous where he’s guest staring in a CW show called The Game from 2009

  80. 80.

    zhena gogolia

    August 14, 2023 at 9:32 pm

    @LAO: Ugh, that’s bad.

  81. 81.

    CaseyL

    August 14, 2023 at 9:33 pm

    @Righteous Hazard: ​
     

    That’s a very good point. The GOP will pull an all-nighter to have their talking points ready by tomorrow, but it’s very unlikely they’ll have any ready by tonight. Just the generic ones about weaponized justice departments, and persecution of the GOP front-runner…

    Hell, they’ll go with that BS anyway. They haven’t even tried (SFAIK) to discuss the actual specifics of the document indictment or the J6 indictment.

  82. 82.

    Jackie

    August 14, 2023 at 9:33 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Not nice when we’re all having a beverage! 🍷

  83. 83.

    SpaceUnit

    August 14, 2023 at 9:33 pm

    I’m late to the party so forgive me if this has already been covered, but are the indictments sealed?

    I’m watching NBC and they don’t seem to know who’s been indicted for what.

  84. 84.

    zhena gogolia

    August 14, 2023 at 9:33 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): I know it’s Jason Momoa. It’s the only thing I know about Jason Momoa.

  85. 85.

    Yarrow

    August 14, 2023 at 9:34 pm

    Zero no bills. Nice.

    How many Depends has TFG gone through already tonight?

  86. 86.

    Baud

    August 14, 2023 at 9:34 pm

    Hillary up!

  87. 87.

    zhena gogolia

    August 14, 2023 at 9:34 pm

    @SpaceUnit: They’re going to be made public in about 3 hours, and then there will be a press conference.

  88. 88.

    RaflW

    August 14, 2023 at 9:34 pm

    And now, 8:34 CDT Madam Secretary Clinton is on the set on MSNBC.

  89. 89.

    LAO

    August 14, 2023 at 9:35 pm

    @zhena gogolia: I find Georgia’s commitment to transparency to be remarkable and not always in admiring way.

  90. 90.

    Jackie

    August 14, 2023 at 9:35 pm

    Aaaannnd here’s…. Hilary!

    And it’s LIVE!

  91. 91.

    Redshift

    August 14, 2023 at 9:35 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):

    For any lawyers, is that SOP? If I was on the GJ, I’m not sure I’d want my name public so I could be harassed by the MAGA cult

    It’s a Georgia quirk. Definitely not the case for federal grand juries, and my impression is that grand jurors are also secret in most states.

  92. 92.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 14, 2023 at 9:35 pm

    Hils seems sort of cheerful.

  93. 93.

    debit

    August 14, 2023 at 9:35 pm

    OMG, Hillary looks so beautiful.  Just glowing.

  94. 94.

    SpaceUnit

    August 14, 2023 at 9:35 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

    Cool.  Thank you!

  95. 95.

    Alison Rose

    August 14, 2023 at 9:35 pm

    Hillary is on, yay!

  96. 96.

    Sebastian

    August 14, 2023 at 9:36 pm

    @Alison Rose:

    I read earlier today that in Georgia, the defendant has to prove they won’t influence witnesses as a condition for bail.

    If we are lucky, Trump will go to jail tonight.

  97. 97.

    WV Blondie

    August 14, 2023 at 9:36 pm

    Any nominations (other than TFG, of course) for those indicted? My husband’s praying that Lindsey Graham is on the list.

  98. 98.

    Alison Rose

    August 14, 2023 at 9:36 pm

    @debit: She really does. I always loathed the nasty things said about her looks. Not that it should matter, but I happen to think she’s very pretty.

  99. 99.

    trollhattan

    August 14, 2023 at 9:36 pm

    Leg is back in session, bringing morons to the Sacramento heat.

    It didn’t take long for the school-focused culture wars to take center stage in Sacramento. On Monday, lawmakers’ first day back from summer break, the battle lines were clearly drawn in competing political events.

    …

    Many of the parental rights activists that gathered at the Capitol on Monday got their start protesting statewide shutdowns and vaccine and mask mandates during the pandemic. “I didn’t have a political background prior to this. I didn’t even know what the Republican Party or Democrat was,” said Shaw. School shutdowns during the pandemic motivated Shaw, then a personal trainer, photographer and real estate agent, into action. Eventually, her local Republican party “offered us a hand and gave us a voice,” she said. She was recruited to the California GOP’s Trailblazer program, their candidate training initiative, and was elected to Chino Valley’s school board.

    The Freedom Angels, also present at the rally, formed in 2019 to protest vaccine mandates for public school students. During the COVID-19 pandemic, the movement took off to protest statewide shutdowns. Now, it is turning its attention to school curriculum and parental rights.

    Parental notification policies are the latest flashpoints of the child-focused culture war. Last month, the state launched a civil rights investigation into Chino Valley Unified School District for its passage of the policy. Sonja Shaw, president of Chino Valley Unified School District and champion of for parental notification, headlined the rally. Shaw told The Bee that the state subpoenaed her emails and text messages as part of the investigation.

    By her side was Assemblyman Bill Essayli, R-Riverside, who introduced a bill earlier this year that would have made the parental notification policy adopted by Chino Valley a statewide mandate. The bill got no airtime in the Legislature, compelling Essayli to work through the local level. “I am taking my bill to every school district up and down this state,” he said to the crowd at the Capitol. A few weeks after Chino Valley passed its policy, Murrieta Valley Unified School District took up the measure.

    https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article278248118.html#storylink=cpy

    “Angels?”

  100. 100.

    LAO

    August 14, 2023 at 9:36 pm

    @debit: It’s amazing how good not getting indicted make a person look.

  101. 101.

    Jackie

    August 14, 2023 at 9:38 pm

    @debit: It’s the champagne 😉😁

  102. 102.

    CaseyL

    August 14, 2023 at 9:39 pm

    I used up my free MSNBC streaming time watching the courtroom, so thanks in advance to anyone who can report on Hillary and Rachel.

  103. 103.

    Baud

    August 14, 2023 at 9:39 pm

    @CaseyL:

    They’re talking about her recent Atlantic piece.

  104. 104.

    Redshift

    August 14, 2023 at 9:40 pm

    @SpaceUnit:

    I’m late to the party so forgive me if this has already been covered, but are the indictments sealed?

    No, they’re just going through an administrative process before being released in 2-3 hours, probably. The judge could have announced what the charges were and who was charged, from how I’ve heard it explained, but chose not to. However, we wouldn’t have gotten the entire indictment at that point in any case.

  105. 105.

    dmsilev

    August 14, 2023 at 9:40 pm

    @trollhattan: Innocent kids who died from easily preventable diseases?

  106. 106.

    Alison Rose

    August 14, 2023 at 9:40 pm

    @CaseyL: This link should work. There’s no time limit that I’ve ever hit.

  107. 107.

    pat

    August 14, 2023 at 9:40 pm

    Watching msnbc.  Hilary on now.  What a great evening.  What a shame that she was not elected.

    10 indictments, some RICO…

    Got to say:  LOCK THEM ALL UP.

  108. 108.

    PaulWartenberg

    August 14, 2023 at 9:41 pm

    Hillary is on MSNBC and she can’t stop laughing.

  109. 109.

    debit

    August 14, 2023 at 9:41 pm

    @CaseyL:  free live stream here: https://livenewschat.eu/politics/

  110. 110.

    Ruckus

    August 14, 2023 at 9:42 pm

    @C Stars:

    Sometimes the best things happen to guilty people.

  111. 111.

    debit

    August 14, 2023 at 9:42 pm

    @Jackie: ​
      LOL. I hope she savored every drop.

  112. 112.

    PaulWartenberg

    August 14, 2023 at 9:43 pm

    @Sebastian:

    trump has to first appear for arraignment where the bail situation gets figured out. Considering the social media threats trump issued, he should face a high bail but likely won’t be held without it. I dunno if the magistrate overseeing the arraignment can issue a gag order (or forcibly take away trump’s social media accounts for the duration of the trial).

  113. 113.

    Elizabelle

    August 14, 2023 at 9:44 pm

    Delighted to come back upstairs and — it’s Hillary!

    BUT:  please do not leave the impression that this follows from Trump.  It was already there — Limbaugh, Murdoch, the moneybags; Trump saw the corruption and jumped on board.

    The lies do not start with Trump.

  114. 114.

    CaseyL

    August 14, 2023 at 9:44 pm

    @Alison Rose: Perfect! Thanks!

  115. 115.

    Manyakitty

    August 14, 2023 at 9:44 pm

    I love how HRC suppressed a little giggle when she talked about him going to prison.

  116. 116.

    cain

    August 14, 2023 at 9:45 pm

    @CaseyL: every channel I’ve seen (I really just wanted cspan) they have republicans on. So giving those fuckers the messaging advantage

  117. 117.

    Elizabelle

    August 14, 2023 at 9:45 pm

    @PaulWartenberg:  I would like to see Georgia remove Trump’s passport — however many he holds.

    No fleeing the country for someplace without extradition.

  118. 118.

    Alison Rose

    August 14, 2023 at 9:45 pm

    LOLOL Hillary calling DeSantis pathetic. Love it.

  119. 119.

    Manyakitty

    August 14, 2023 at 9:46 pm

    @Elizabelle: I blame all them and also Newt Gingrich.

  120. 120.

    Redshift

    August 14, 2023 at 9:47 pm

    @trollhattan:

    “I didn’t have a political background prior to this. I didn’t even know what the Republican Party or Democrat was,” said Shaw.

    Bet googling could easily show that’s a lie. Since at least the Tea Party, fake nonpartisanship has been one of if their go-to moves.

  121. 121.

    UncleEbeneezer

    August 14, 2023 at 9:47 pm

    Hillary saying “So called ‘Never Trumpers'”…and I am losing it, lol.  Forgot how much I love her :)

  122. 122.

    dmsilev

    August 14, 2023 at 9:47 pm

    We’re all going to be so disappointed when we learn that TFG was indicted on three counts of jaywalking and two of removing the tag from a mattress.

  123. 123.

    Manyakitty

    August 14, 2023 at 9:47 pm

    @Elizabelle: on one hand, yes. On the other hand, run away in disgrace, repulsive traitor!

  124. 124.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    August 14, 2023 at 9:48 pm

    @trollhattan:

    I didn’t even know what the Republican Party or Democrat was,” said Shaw.

    There it is. “The Democrat Party” is always a thing in their rhetoric.

    Now, it is turning its attention to school curriculum and parental rights.

    Parental rights? These people never actually care children’s rights

    @Redshift:

    @LAO:

    Thanks. I personally think it’s a bad idea to reveal their names, especially with Trump’s unbalanced freaks mucking around. We’ll see

  125. 125.

    tobie

    August 14, 2023 at 9:48 pm

    Gawd, I love Hillary. She’s sharper and more insightful and more mature than just about anyone in American politics right now. It almost hurts. What a great President she would have been.

  126. 126.

    Redshift

    August 14, 2023 at 9:48 pm

    @Manyakitty:

    I love how HRC suppressed a little giggle when she talked about him going to prison.

    Yeah, I caught that too! 🙂

  127. 127.

    Baud

    August 14, 2023 at 9:48 pm

    @dmsilev:

    two of removing the tag from a mattress.

     
    I hope so. Mandatory life term.

  128. 128.

    HeleninEire

    August 14, 2023 at 9:48 pm

    @debit: She does!

  129. 129.

    Mr. Bemused Senior

    August 14, 2023 at 9:48 pm

    @Manyakitty: yes, Newt, the brain trust of the GOP. He wasn’t the first or only one but he codified it.

  130. 130.

    Uncle Cosmo

    August 14, 2023 at 9:48 pm

    Keep your eye on the courthouse chimney. Orange smoke means we have a Perp! ;^p

  131. 131.

    dmsilev

    August 14, 2023 at 9:48 pm

    @Redshift: That she uses ‘Democrat’ Party is a bit of a tell…

  132. 132.

    Baud

    August 14, 2023 at 9:48 pm

    Shout out to Biden.

  133. 133.

    Alison Rose

    August 14, 2023 at 9:49 pm

    NYT trying to rain on our parade

    The Fulton County clerk said the grand jury returned 10 indictments, but it’s important to remember that this grand jury has been empaneled for weeks, hearing evidence in a number of cases. It’s possible the jurors had more than the Trump case to vote on today.

  134. 134.

    SpaceUnit

    August 14, 2023 at 9:49 pm

    @Redshift:

    Okay, thanks.  Seems a little odd that they would hold their press conference so late in the evening.

  135. 135.

    The Kropenhagen Interpretation

    August 14, 2023 at 9:50 pm

    @Alison Rose: Perhaps Trump’s collaborators were voted on as well.

  136. 136.

    Sister Golden Bear

    August 14, 2023 at 9:50 pm

    Any speculation on why they’re pushing it through tonight?

    Since witnesses who were scheduled to appear tomorrow got told to show up today, it definitely seems like something accelerated the time table.

  137. 137.

    Manyakitty

    August 14, 2023 at 9:50 pm

    @Mr. Bemused Senior: I’ve been beating that drum for ages. That guy is a menace to humanity.

  138. 138.

    Baud

    August 14, 2023 at 9:52 pm

    Everyone should be forced to watch this Clockwork Orange style.

  139. 139.

    twbrandt

    August 14, 2023 at 9:52 pm

    Just think, Donald could have remained a corrupt NYC real estate developer, living in the lap of luxury, sycophants and yes-men fawning over him; but no, he had to reach for the brass ring. And now he’s fucked.

  140. 140.

    Mr. Bemused Senior

    August 14, 2023 at 9:54 pm

    @Manyakitty: I recall an SNL skit where he would be appointed ambassador to the Moon. Maybe not far enough but it would be a start.

  141. 141.

    UncleEbeneezer

    August 14, 2023 at 9:55 pm

    Oof, Hillary is dropping BARS about the Women’s World Cup bullshit!!

  142. 142.

    Elizabelle

    August 14, 2023 at 9:55 pm

    Just try to find any info on Biden on the FTF NYT’s website “front page.”

    There is rarely even a photo of him, unless it’s because those jackholes publish a story about how unpopular he is.

    Seriously.  Look at the major newspaper websites.  And try to figure out who is president.

    He is invisible.

    That is not an accident.

    The FTF NYTimes editor is Joe Kahn.  He is abominable.

  143. 143.

    Redshift

    August 14, 2023 at 9:55 pm

    @prostratedragon:

    That surprised me a little. Wonder if they can delay the release of names.

    Apparently the names are on the indictment, and even jurors who were absent and didn’t vote on charges are just crossed out, not redacted. I would assume there’s some process for keeping them secret in extraordinary circumstances (like organized crime), but who knows? Georgia is definitely weird.

  144. 144.

    LAO

    August 14, 2023 at 9:56 pm

    @Alison Rose: FFS, if Trump hadn’t been indicted, they wouldn’t be holding a press conference. I really hate the NYT political reporting.

  145. 145.

    NotMax

    August 14, 2023 at 9:56 pm

    @zhena gogolia

    Best Momoa minute.
    :)

  146. 146.

    Elizabelle

    August 14, 2023 at 9:57 pm

    WRT Rachel’s graphic:

    Should be

    THIS WEEK’S INDICTMENT OF DONALD TRUMP

  147. 147.

    Yarrow

    August 14, 2023 at 9:57 pm

    Omg, Hillary sounds like she posts on Balloon Juice. Love her.

  148. 148.

    Another Scott

    August 14, 2023 at 9:58 pm

    Her comments about TIFG rooting against the USA women’s national team are exactly right, and it’s good she pushed back against Rachel’s surprise. It’s the misogyny and patriarchy and white supremacy – all of it.

    She’s really good at this stuff. I hope she gets more air time going forward.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  149. 149.

    Elizabelle

    August 14, 2023 at 9:58 pm

    @LAO:  The FTF NYTimes reporting — and lack thereof —  is not by accident.

    Their political desk and executive editor are fucking deplorables.

    I am thinking how they never paid any penalty, or any price, for publishing all of Judith Miller’s disinformation. They have blood on their hands.  Blood, blood, blood.

  150. 150.

    cain

    August 14, 2023 at 9:59 pm

    @tobie:

    What a coup to have her while these other assholes have republicans on !

  151. 151.

    Elizabelle

    August 14, 2023 at 9:59 pm

    @Yarrow:  Yup.  Madame Jackal.

  152. 152.

    Shalimar

    August 14, 2023 at 9:59 pm

    @Alison Rose: Indictments is not the total number of charges or the total number of defendants.  Both could be higher than 10.  An individual indictment can have multiple charges and defendants.

  153. 153.

    Alison Rose

    August 14, 2023 at 9:59 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer: Yes, I loved it. God damn. She would have been such a terrific president.

  154. 154.

    Geminid

    August 14, 2023 at 10:00 pm

     

    @SpaceUnit: I think Ms. Willis is wise to get the state’s side out as early as possible.  A lot of people will miss the press conference, but a lot would miss it even if it were in prime time. Media sites including every internet commentator will watch it, record it, and have plenty of time to break the story down for the rest of us.

  155. 155.

    Dan B

    August 14, 2023 at 10:00 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):  Parental rights means eliminating the gay / LGBTQ.  And soon the black and brown.

  156. 156.

    Alison Rose

    August 14, 2023 at 10:00 pm

    @Elizabelle: Yep. All this. It’s repugnant.

  157. 157.

    Manyakitty

    August 14, 2023 at 10:01 pm

    @Mr. Bemused Senior: I’d go along with that, but only if he launches from one of Elmo’s exploding rockets.

  158. 158.

    tobie

    August 14, 2023 at 10:01 pm

    @Elizabelle: So true. Occasionally the Times will run a story about the revival of US manufacturing but they’ll never give credit to Biden & the Democrats for having enacting policies that enabled the turn-around in manufacturing in the US.

  159. 159.

    Redshift

    August 14, 2023 at 10:02 pm

    @Sister Golden Bear: The former prosecutor legal analysts I heard seem to think they were probably close enough to being done that they wanted to push through.

  160. 160.

    Shalimar

    August 14, 2023 at 10:02 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): The indictments are filed.  The Grand Jury is done.  Threatening jurors does them no good now.  Not that Trump’s idiot followers will know that or care.

  161. 161.

    UncleEbeneezer

    August 14, 2023 at 10:03 pm

    @Alison Rose: Right?  Ok now I have dust in my eye…

    I forgot how much I loved her incredible combination of intellect and absolute fearlessness.

  162. 162.

    Yarrow

    August 14, 2023 at 10:03 pm

    @Another Scott:

    Her comments about TIFG rooting against the USA women’s national team are exactly right, and it’s good she pushed back against Rachel’s surprise. It’s the misogyny and patriarchy and white supremacy – all of it.

    It’s super annoying that Rachel showed any level of surprise. It’s been clear for ages that it’s the white patriarchy doing everything they can to maintain or take back control and they’re fighting every one and everything that they think threatens that.

  163. 163.

    Eunicecycle

    August 14, 2023 at 10:03 pm

    @Alison Rose: when I read her book about the election I literally cried to think we could have had this brilliant, funny, compassionate woman as our president. Instead we got the Orange Menace.

  164. 164.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    August 14, 2023 at 10:03 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

    I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to come across like I was mansplaining or anything

  165. 165.

    Elizabelle

    August 14, 2023 at 10:04 pm

    @tobie:  I despise those fuckers.

    They aren’t very good students of history, are they??

  166. 166.

    The Kropenhagen Interpretation

    August 14, 2023 at 10:04 pm

    @Yarrow: It’s super annoying that Rachel showed any level of surprise. It’s been clear for ages that it’s the white patriarchy doing everything they can to maintain or take back control and they’re fighting every one and everything that they think threatens that.

    The surprise was because you’re not allowed to say that on television.

  167. 167.

    Jackie

    August 14, 2023 at 10:04 pm

    @Sister Golden Bear: Keeping TIFG up late and not able to enjoy his evening?

    That’s all I got 🤷🏼‍♀️

  168. 168.

    tobie

    August 14, 2023 at 10:05 pm

    @cain: I tuned in tonight, not yet knowing about the indictments, because Rachel Maddow had announced HRC would be her guest on Monday. Wow, can Hillary think fast on her feet and be so thoughtful and articulate on the spot.

    The comment at the end of the interview about today’s Trump party rooting against America was so right–terse but true.

  169. 169.

    RaflW

    August 14, 2023 at 10:05 pm

    @WV Blondie: I sure hope so, but I feel likely to be disappointed on Lindsey seeing any accountability.

  170. 170.

    Yarrow

    August 14, 2023 at 10:06 pm

    @Shalimar:

    Threatening jurors does them no good now.

    But it might intimidate anyone who might be on a future grand jury.

  171. 171.

    C Stars

    August 14, 2023 at 10:06 pm

    @tobie: I’m sure tomorrow they’ll be explaining to us why the Trump indictments are bad for Biden.

  172. 172.

    cain

    August 14, 2023 at 10:06 pm

    I forget was the orange menace there at all ? I assume they have his perp photo all taken care of.

  173. 173.

    Alison Rose

    August 14, 2023 at 10:07 pm

    @Another Scott: Maddow’s response bugged me too, because I also think homophobia, particularly against women, plays a role too. Trump hates women in general, but lesbians are even more useless to him, and Rapinoe being the most outspoken member of the team and also being super gay certainly was part of this.

  174. 174.

    cain

    August 14, 2023 at 10:08 pm

    @tobie:

    It was. Imagine an entire set of flag waving assholes who are rooting against the American women’s team is some bullshit right there.

    They resent that women sports is popular that it’s getting exposure instead of the oh so important men sports.

  175. 175.

    The Kropenhagen Interpretation

    August 14, 2023 at 10:09 pm

    @C Stars: Isn’t it a little sus that Biden’s principle challenger is being indicted just as the primaries are revving up?

  176. 176.

    Alison Rose

    August 14, 2023 at 10:09 pm

    WOULD YOU SHUT UP, MAN?

    A new statement from the Trump campaign accuses Fani T. Willis, the Fulton County district attorney, of being a “rabid partisan” and says her election interference investigation is based on “fabricated accusations.” The campaign tied the investigation to the Biden administration, despite the fact that it came from a state prosecutor.

  177. 177.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 14, 2023 at 10:10 pm

    @cain: ​
      That would be part of the arraignment.

  178. 178.

    UncleEbeneezer

    August 14, 2023 at 10:11 pm

    @Another Scott: The best.  And I love Obama and I love Biden, but Hillary has a brutal honesty is just NEXT LEVEL!  Maybe it even hurt her in 2016, but I always feel like “yes, straight into my veins!”

  179. 179.

    SpaceUnit

    August 14, 2023 at 10:11 pm

    @Geminid:

    Yeah.  I wonder if security issues played a role as well. Probably less chance of organized violence if you reveal the indictments late at night.

  180. 180.

    Jackie

    August 14, 2023 at 10:11 pm

    Per Political Wire via the Atlanta Journal Constitution:

    “District Attorney Fani Willis will be holding a press conference after the indictments are processed by the clerk’s office later tonight.”

  181. 181.

    NotMax

    August 14, 2023 at 10:11 pm

    @cain

    No, this was announcement and imminent release of indictments. He’ll have to be there for arraignment (barring any extraordinary exclusion granted).

  182. 182.

    tobie

    August 14, 2023 at 10:12 pm

    @Elizabelle: Me too. I tell every person in the home trades when they complain about Biden, “What, you don’t like the revival of manufacturing, the trade surplus, unprecedented job growth, US global leadership?” That usually shuts them up.

    I expect FOX to air rightwing spin. I’ve been stunned to see the NYT sink so low. I found this article by Thomas Zimmer about Chris Licht illuminating. Being irritated about so-called wokeness is a gateway drug to wholesale revanchist politics.

  183. 183.

    BeautifulPlumage

    August 14, 2023 at 10:12 pm

    Ohhh, is Lindsey Graham crying again? Boo hoo

  184. 184.

    debit

    August 14, 2023 at 10:12 pm

    @Alison Rose: ​
      Because it’s what he would do. Every accusation is an admission.

  185. 185.

    tobie

    August 14, 2023 at 10:14 pm

    @C Stars: Yup. NYTimes Pitchbot has exposed their game.

  186. 186.

    dmsilev

    August 14, 2023 at 10:14 pm

    @Alison Rose: Barring a gag order or an actual gag, sadly no he will not.

  187. 187.

    Ivan X

    August 14, 2023 at 10:14 pm

    @Alison Rose: don’t ever change!

  188. 188.

    zhena gogolia

    August 14, 2023 at 10:15 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): You didn’t come across that way.

  189. 189.

    Bupalos

    August 14, 2023 at 10:16 pm

    We need a woman president.

    And I think people are dead wrong to think being a woman itself would be an electoral negative. Clinton was not really a talented politician, she was a self-made wonk with a confusing history and an undefined place on the political spectrum. And a family dynasty drag without any family dynasty advantages. In so many words she’ll tell you that herself. I feel like we’re setting up for a once bitten twice shy kind of situation, talking ourselves out of Female talent because “misogyny.”

  190. 190.

    C Stars

    August 14, 2023 at 10:16 pm

    @The Kropenhagen Interpretation: Does the electorate really want to settle for competence, steadiness, and effectiveness in a leader, or will the stars–and voting machines–align for a dashing lawbreaker?

  191. 191.

    Sure Lurkalot

    August 14, 2023 at 10:16 pm

    @pat: Yes. What a shame Hillary wasn’t elected. The interview was good, Rachel shut up and fuck yeah, she was right about near everything.

  192. 192.

    patrick II

    August 14, 2023 at 10:17 pm

    @twbrandt:

    Trump won accidentally.  Like many Republican candidates, he was just trying to build up a brand name.  But that engendered an “I don’t give a fuck” attitude that ironically helped him win.  Once in, he found he loved being worshiped and having so much power.

  193. 193.

    Alison Rose

    August 14, 2023 at 10:18 pm

    @Ivan X: Hey, I got love for New York, my mom is from there! But you know…sometimes I get a little smug over the time difference. Like on album or indictment drop nights :P

  194. 194.

    Elizabelle

    August 14, 2023 at 10:18 pm

    @debit:   debit!  Lovely to see you here, too.

    Late night coming, hmmm?

  195. 195.

    The Kropenhagen Interpretation

    August 14, 2023 at 10:19 pm

    @C Stars:Does the electorate really want to settle for competence, steadiness, and effectiveness in a leader[?]

    We’ll never be able to sell it to the networks…

    will the stars–and voting machines–align for a dashing lawbreaker?

    (Individual definitions of “dashing” may vary)

  196. 196.

    NotMax

    August 14, 2023 at 10:20 pm

    @Bupalos

    Marianne Williamson’s ears just pricked up.
      //

  197. 197.

    Jeffro

    August 14, 2023 at 10:21 pm

    @Alison Rose: hey sorry trump and trumpistas, but when only Democrats will stand up for the rule of law, THAT’s who’s gonna indict you.

    WHERE ARE THE REPUBLICANS?

    WHY WON’T THEY STAND UP FOR AMERICA AND THE RULE OF LAW?

    or to put it more simply

    IF THIS WAS A DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT WHO PULLED THIS SHIT, HE’D ALREADY BE HANGING FROM A LAMPPOST ON CONSTITUTION AVENUE!

  198. 198.

    Mike in NC

    August 14, 2023 at 10:21 pm

    I love the smell of indictments in the morning; smells like victory!

  199. 199.

    Elizabelle

    August 14, 2023 at 10:21 pm

    @tobie:  The FTF NYTimes is nepotism and elitism central.  Joe Kahn dragged himself up by his bootstraps.  His father was a grocery store magnate who co-founded Staples.  Kahn attended Harvard.

  200. 200.

    C Stars

    August 14, 2023 at 10:22 pm

    @The Kropenhagen Interpretation:

    (Individual definitions of “dashing” may vary)

    dashing in the sense of dashing the Republican Party’s head on a rock, in this case. Although the NYT does seem to have a soft spot for doughy white nationalists.

  201. 201.

    Old School

    August 14, 2023 at 10:23 pm

    Opinion | I’m a conservative who bleeds states rights to my core. But when will federal officials in Congress, the Supreme Court, the CIA, or Space Force step in and stop Georgia state officials from prosecuting Donald Trump for his multiple state crimes?— New York Times Pitchbot (@DougJBalloon) August 15, 2023

  202. 202.

    The Kropenhagen Interpretation

    August 14, 2023 at 10:24 pm

    @C Stars: dashing in the sense of dashing the Republican Party’s head on a rock, in this case.

    Oh, then please proceed, Mr. Trump.

  203. 203.

    cain

    August 14, 2023 at 10:24 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Ah! Thanks 🙏

  204. 204.

    Alison Rose

    August 14, 2023 at 10:25 pm

    @Jeffro: Seriously. I know the “Imagine if Obama…” thing is a little trite, but still IMAGINE IF OBAMA!!!! Good God, they’d have drawn and quartered him on the Capitol steps by January 8.

  205. 205.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 14, 2023 at 10:25 pm

    Wow, Rachel Maddow talks a lot. And Chris Hayes has an eternal “please slap me face.”

  206. 206.

    dmsilev

    August 14, 2023 at 10:26 pm

    Congratulations to Donald Trump for winning this particular Georgia vote.

  207. 207.

    LAO

    August 14, 2023 at 10:26 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: She does — but I really like that line “It’s awful but lawful.” I may steal that.

  208. 208.

    Manyakitty

    August 14, 2023 at 10:26 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: yeah, I already turned it off. Enough of the speculation.

  209. 209.

    Manyakitty

    August 14, 2023 at 10:27 pm

    @dmsilev: savage. I love it!!

  210. 210.

    tobie

    August 14, 2023 at 10:27 pm

    @Elizabelle: Oh my, I had no idea Joe Kahn was born not just with a silver spoon but a 14K-gold spoon in his mouth. he sounds just like Jared Kushner.

  211. 211.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    August 14, 2023 at 10:27 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

    Oh, good : )

  212. 212.

    C Stars

    August 14, 2023 at 10:27 pm

    @Old School: Space Force is a nice touch.

    I just started watching the TV show and am sad it was cancelled.

  213. 213.

    Alison Rose

    August 14, 2023 at 10:27 pm

    @HumboldtBlue:

    And Chris Hayes has an eternal “please slap me face.”

    Hey, no kink-shaming around here!

  214. 214.

    NotMax

    August 14, 2023 at 10:27 pm

    “Whaddaya mean we can’t petition to move the state charges to West Virginia? That’s a state!”
    //

  215. 215.

    prostratedragon

    August 14, 2023 at 10:29 pm

    Oldie but goodie from Signe Wilkinson

  216. 216.

    BeautifulPlumage

    August 14, 2023 at 10:29 pm

    @dmsilev: NY Post tomorrow: Trump finds wins in GA

    ETA: scratch that: “Trump finds votes in GA”

  217. 217.

    Bupalos

    August 14, 2023 at 10:30 pm

    @NotMax: NOT LIKE THAT!!!

    In seriousness, we’ve got a lot game-ready on the LadyDems bench.  Whitmer for one is an underrated talent right now. And a lot in the pipeline.

  218. 218.

    NotMax

    August 14, 2023 at 10:31 pm

    @HumboldtBlue

    When Hayes appears, mute button is mashed.

  219. 219.

    Yarrow

    August 14, 2023 at 10:31 pm

    @HumboldtBlue:  They have nothing else to do right now. They’ve got to fill the time until the press conference. So it’s blah, blah, blah.

  220. 220.

    RaflW

    August 14, 2023 at 10:31 pm

    @patrick II: Once in, he found he loved being worshiped and having so much power.

    But hated doing even a single iota of work. So the country accelerated its crumbling and flying apart (the easier to rob it via corruption, conveniently).

    And yet, Trump voters, when asked, say “But he did so much as President.” I doubt they could name anything he actually did, but reporters don’t ever seem to follow up on that.

  221. 221.

    hilts

    August 14, 2023 at 10:31 pm

    @BeautifulPlumage:

    Lindsey Graham is a gutless bed-wetting loser

  222. 222.

    Righteous Hazard

    August 14, 2023 at 10:32 pm

    @Bupalos: Everything you say about not letting what happened to Hillary make us shy of nominating women can be true, but you seem a little too quick to dismiss misogyny.

    Simply put, there was enough rabid misogyny in this country to elect Donald fucking Trump as president in 2016. Donald fucking Trump. Occam’s razor applies here, and by far the simplest explanation is misogyny.

    But you are right that we just need to nominate women and keep nominating them until misogyny is beaten.

  223. 223.

    unrelatedwaffle

    August 14, 2023 at 10:32 pm

    @trollhattan: Shaw is a straight up well bankrolled fascist 

  224. 224.

    Elizabelle

    August 14, 2023 at 10:33 pm

    Muting MSNBC.  You will have to tell me if anything else happens

    Reading the LA Times about Maui.  Some people who fled to the ocean may have died of smoke inhalation.  There are allegedlly also “bodies in trees.”

    So sad.  The 21st century arrives, with fangs and claws.

  225. 225.

    RaflW

    August 14, 2023 at 10:33 pm

    Anyone staying on MSNBC/Rachel & Co. Her item right now about how the GA government can remove Fani in as little as 8 weeks from now. Gulp.

  226. 226.

    BeautifulPlumage

    August 14, 2023 at 10:35 pm

    @hilts: just a sad little parasite looking for it’s new political host.

  227. 227.

    Sure Lurkalot

    August 14, 2023 at 10:35 pm

    Hillary can’t slap the people who brought her but her ending tirade about how NO ONE KNOWS THE GOOD BIDEN HAD DONE blame on the media, THAT MEANS YOU TOO RACHEL and all the rest of your crew bringing us the Trump show like it was 2016.

  228. 228.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 14, 2023 at 10:35 pm

    @Yarrow: ​ 

    Ahhh, I didn’t realize there was a pending press conference.

    And for the commentariat, is there a meaning to the black and red motif of the set tonight? I mean, those are Georgia Bulldog colors…

  229. 229.

    wjca

    August 14, 2023 at 10:36 pm

    @C Stars:  Already available from Ruth Marcus at the Washington Post:

    Is Georgia’s case against Trump one case too many?

  230. 230.

    Alison Rose

    August 14, 2023 at 10:36 pm

    Jeez, just ask him to let you go down, Matt, if he closes his eyes it doesn’t matter who it is.

    Matt Schlapp on Newsmax describes Trump as “big, strong, amazing guy” with “broad shoulders” pic.twitter.com/fGHhVQvVqH
    — Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) August 15, 2023

  231. 231.

    Jeffro

    August 14, 2023 at 10:36 pm

    @Alison Rose: it ALWAYS bears repeating (and perhaps re-beating, as in beating RWNJs over the head with it) to the GOP and the snooze media: if a Democratic candidate for anything had done a tenth of this shit, y’all would be calling for a thousand times the consequences.

    They’re fucking ridiculous.  240+ years of free and fair elections, with the losers accepting the results (however grudgingly) and now we’re supposed to just take one lifelong con man’s social media protestations about losing as a ‘case’?  As something to even fight about?

    Why didn’t he just go back to his supposed billions and heckle from afar?  We were costing him all kinds of money EVERY DAY, right, GOP?  Just by his sacrifice of holding the most powerful position in the world?

    I’ve tried to tell folks: picture Jimmy Carter pulling this shit after he lost his re-election.  Picture Bush Sr. pulling this shit after losing his re-election.  There is a reason we (as a country) are going through all of this, and it’s 1,452% to be laid at the feet of our most corrupt president* ever, who couldn’t govern and then couldn’t take the consequences of his shitty governing.

  232. 232.

    Cameron

    August 14, 2023 at 10:36 pm

    @Jeffro: Either that or the Republicans would have asked him to switch parties.

  233. 233.

    Randal Sexton

    August 14, 2023 at 10:37 pm

    @hells littlest angel: Oh, I love this, I thought that joke was like our little family joke, —

  234. 234.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    August 14, 2023 at 10:37 pm

    Well, this is delicious. Commentary by Ben Meiselas just now in the live stream is that in Georgia he may fall under a statute that starts with the assumption that the defendant doesn’t get bail, and they have to prove they qualify. For instance, that they won’t intimidate witnesses.​

  235. 235.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 14, 2023 at 10:38 pm

    @unrelatedwaffle: ​ 

    It’s all that right-wing astroturfing at work, and those devious deviant fuckers can be effective.

  236. 236.

    Jeffro

    August 14, 2023 at 10:38 pm

    @Elizabelle: So sad.  The 21st century arrives, with fangs and claws.

    But not, unfortunately, with a long-overdue apology to Al Gore.

  237. 237.

    Joseph Patrick Lurker

    August 14, 2023 at 10:39 pm

    @NotMax:

    @HumboldtBlue:

    What’s the deal with all the hate for Chris Hayes on Balloon Juice?

    Whenever anyone mentions him on this blog it’s almost always for the purpose of trashing him.

    None of y’all can shine Chris Hayes’ shoes.

  238. 238.

    LAO

    August 14, 2023 at 10:40 pm

    @RaflW: I’m watching and I expect (like Rachel), that the Governor will remove Fanni Willis as District Attorney of Fulton County because I always expect the worst of Republicans that have a super majority.

    All these pundits attribute a good faith to Republicans that I simply am unable to do.  My dog, it’s like watching Lucy with the football.

  239. 239.

    The Kropenhagen Interpretation

    August 14, 2023 at 10:42 pm

    @Joseph Patrick Lurker: Personally, I find a lot to like about Hayes, at least as compared to the media more broadly.

    Curious, though, I only see you here to leap to the defense of poor, helpless MSM personalities. They’re the wealthy elite. They don’t need it.

    Also, fuck Jake Tapper with a rusty tire iron.

  240. 240.

    C Stars

    August 14, 2023 at 10:42 pm

    @wjca: Ah, shoulda known it would be the WP. The one paper (other than our two local ones)) I actually have a subscription to.

     

    One too many? The inanity…

  241. 241.

    Tinare

    August 14, 2023 at 10:42 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): I didn’t realize it was Jason Mamoa, so you broke news for me. And that’s one of my all time favorite gifs. But then I don’t get out much, so I appreciated you pointing it out anyway.

  242. 242.

    NotMax

    August 14, 2023 at 10:43 pm

    @Elizabelle

    Nebulous rumors flying fast and furious. Absent confirmatory, attributable evidence from official sources, file them in the “Someone told me” or “People are saying” bin.

    I saw that LA Times piece over the weekend, and shame on them for promulgating hearsay.

  243. 243.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 14, 2023 at 10:43 pm

    For the poetry fans among us…

  244. 244.

    smith

    August 14, 2023 at 10:43 pm

    @LAO: GA Gov Kemp, as slimy a Republican as he is, is not a fan of TFG. I understand TFG tried to take him down in his last election.

  245. 245.

    Eolirin

    August 14, 2023 at 10:43 pm

    @LAO: Kemp has no love of Trump. Nor does he need his supporters. Motherfucker endorsed his primary challenger ffs, told people to vote for Abrams instead of him.

    Obviously things could still go a shitty direction but I think the odds are a bit lower than if it was some other Republican Governor.

  246. 246.

    unrelatedwaffle

    August 14, 2023 at 10:44 pm

    I loved seeing HRC on MSNBC but I do quibble with characterizing misogyny and racism and “particular political stances” as “anti-American.” That shit is the MOST American. What she should have said is those ideas are fascist.

  247. 247.

    Alison Rose

    August 14, 2023 at 10:45 pm

    @Joseph Patrick Lurker: I like him. I guess we’re the weirdos here. But eh…not everyone is gonna be everyone’s cup of tea.

  248. 248.

    The Kropenhagen Interpretation

    August 14, 2023 at 10:46 pm

    @unrelatedwaffle: Misogyny and racism are firmly against American ideals and firmly in line with American practice.

  249. 249.

    Patricia Kayden

    August 14, 2023 at 10:46 pm

    There is no way Trump escapes justice on so many indictments. He’s going down.

  250. 250.

    tobie

    August 14, 2023 at 10:46 pm

    @wjca: Aaargh. Ruth Marcus is sick. I’m convinced she loves stabbing Democrats in the back. She attacked Obama for having a “hissy fit” (her words) about FOX, she attacked Hillary in 2016, and now Fani Willis for indicting. She’s such an irritating, mealy-mouthed scold.

  251. 251.

    Shalimar

    August 14, 2023 at 10:46 pm

    @LAO: Kemp sees himself as the leading 2028 GOP presidential candidate so i would be a little surprised if he isn’t happy with Trump’s indictments.  It lets him get rid of the kingmaker without getting his own hands dirty.  Saving Trump’s ass isn’t necessarily in Kemp’s best interest.

  252. 252.

    unrelatedwaffle

    August 14, 2023 at 10:46 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: It’s my latest soapbox to rage about articles discussing all the astroturfy nonsense that fail to mention the astroturfing. It’s so important to know, but sooooo many articles act like these people are legit.

  253. 253.

    BeautifulPlumage

    August 14, 2023 at 10:46 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: see their latest – a company called Influenceable to pay gen z social media influencers to push RWNJ talking points. TX Tribune.

    That little fucker Fuentes is pissed that it got reported – good

  254. 254.

    Jackie

    August 14, 2023 at 10:47 pm

    @Mike in NC: Morning Joe is gonna be LIT!

  255. 255.

    dmsilev

    August 14, 2023 at 10:47 pm

    @Alison Rose: Never a good idea to confuse Ben Garrison cartoons with reality.

  256. 256.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 14, 2023 at 10:47 pm

    @Joseph Patrick Lurker: Your objection is noted.  FWIW, I could do a very good job of shining his or anyone’s shoes.  It’s a skill one picked up in the old army.

  257. 257.

    LAO

    August 14, 2023 at 10:48 pm

    @smith: @Eolirin: I am aware, but it seems unlikely that Trump is the only defendant here.  Also, Kemp doesn’t have to like Trump or respect him — didn’t he say if Trump was the candidate in 2024, he’d vote for him?

  258. 258.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    August 14, 2023 at 10:48 pm

    Van Jones (yes, know) on CNN is saying that this is the campaign and that Trump doesn’t believe that these indictments are hurting him from getting the GOP nomination; that he’s sucking the oxygen out of the room from other candidates, raising lots of money, and dominating the news cycle. He speculated that whether it hurts him in the general election depends on the economy; if it’s good, he’ll lose and if it’s bad he could skate by. Do any of you agree with this assessment?

  259. 259.

    Uncle Cosmo

    August 14, 2023 at 10:49 pm

    @tobie: I gather he can trace his paternal line all the way back to Genghis.

  260. 260.

    smith

    August 14, 2023 at 10:49 pm

    @Shalimar: Also, Kemp and his Lt Gov (who testified to the grand jury today) publicly opposed the whole fake electors ploy in 2020. He is politically invested in seeing TFG go down for it.

  261. 261.

    Eolirin

    August 14, 2023 at 10:51 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Given the apparent speed that the Jan 6th trial may be going at, he may be in jail before the end of the primary season.

  262. 262.

    UncleEbeneezer

    August 14, 2023 at 10:51 pm

    @unrelatedwaffle: You think Hillary isn’t well aware of the history of Racism and misogyny in America?

  263. 263.

    wjca

    August 14, 2023 at 10:51 pm

    @LAO: Seems unlikely that the Governor of Georgia will remove Fanni Willis as District Attorney of Fulton County.  Simply because he hates Trump.  He refused to disparage the 2020 election process in Georgia when Trump did, after all.  In fact, he defended it.  And Trump has been trash talking him ever since.

    He might not have been willing to push for something like this.  But I wouldn’t be surprised if he, too, had a bag of fries to smile over while he watched.

  264. 264.

    NotMax

    August 14, 2023 at 10:51 pm

    @Joseph Patrick Lurker

    Not hate. I liked him on his weekend show, where his impulse to screechy bloviation was tempered and kept in check by a panel.

    Otherwise, IMHO, he has since demonstrated all the depth of morning dew.

  265. 265.

    LAO

    August 14, 2023 at 10:52 pm

    The press conference is being set up! I feel an immense sense of relief for those of us on the East Coast.

  266. 266.

    Brachiator

    August 14, 2023 at 10:53 pm

    CNN and MSNBC appear to be vamping as we wait for the Indictments to be unsealed. I was out earlier and had a huge lunch, so I don’t have room for Indictment related snacks, but this feels like party time.

  267. 267.

    Alison Rose

    August 14, 2023 at 10:53 pm

    Fani about to speak, looks like!

  268. 268.

    cain

    August 14, 2023 at 10:53 pm

    @Righteous Hazard:

    But you are right that we just need to nominate women and keep nominating them until misogyny is beaten.

    Have you heard of Emerge ? It’s a group that attracts women to elect them to office.

    All across Oregon emerge has been helping women get elected into office. They are doing it in other parts of the country as well.

    My wife just graduated from Emerge. She will hopefully be a political force to be reckoned with eventually.

  269. 269.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 14, 2023 at 10:53 pm

    @unrelatedwaffle: ​
      What if she calls it deplorable?

  270. 270.

    Jackie

    August 14, 2023 at 10:54 pm

    @Alison Rose: We’re such a big tent we can like/dislike tv media pundits and still root for the same team!

    I like Chris Hayes, too 😊

  271. 271.

    LAO

    August 14, 2023 at 10:55 pm

    @Shalimar: @smith: @wjca: I hope you all are correct — it would thrill me to be wrong — but I’m a cynical bitch and remain unconvinced.  Only time will tell.

  272. 272.

    Sister Golden Bear

    August 14, 2023 at 10:55 pm

    @Redshift: Might be due to Trump’s accelerating threats against the GA prosecutor and likely witnesses. Technically legal for now, but not once charges are filed.

    Another might be that it’s late in the evening and the streets look pretty empty, so easier to prevent rioting — albeit MAGATS barely turned out for his last two indictments.

  273. 273.

    rikyrah

    August 14, 2023 at 10:55 pm

     

    Because of a previous crooked Georgia Governor, pardon power has been REMOVED from the authority of the Georgia Governor. Kemp can’t do shyt in terms of a pardon.

  274. 274.

    LAO

    August 14, 2023 at 10:56 pm

    OMG

  275. 275.

    Alison Rose

    August 14, 2023 at 10:56 pm

    RACHEL CONFIRMS TRUMP INDICTED bahahahahahaha

  276. 276.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    August 14, 2023 at 10:56 pm

    Meadows indicted!

  277. 277.

    Elizabelle

    August 14, 2023 at 10:56 pm

    Mark Meadows indicted! Also Jenna Ellis.

    And whacko kracken Sydney Powell.  40 counts?

  278. 278.

    Tinare

    August 14, 2023 at 10:57 pm

    Go Georgia – many, many defendants. 40 count felony including RICO.

  279. 279.

    BeautifulPlumage

    August 14, 2023 at 10:57 pm

    IT’S RICO TIME!!!!! 13 COUNTS FOR THE PAB!

  280. 280.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 14, 2023 at 10:57 pm

    Trump, Giuliani, Eastman, Meadows, Ellis, Powell, Roman, Clark….

    those are the names I recognize as Maddow read them off

    Didn’t hear a Lindsey

  281. 281.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    August 14, 2023 at 10:57 pm

    Sidney Powell
    Ghouliani
    Cheesebro

    INDICTED!

  282. 282.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    August 14, 2023 at 10:57 pm

    @Eolirin:

    Given the apparent speed that the Jan 6th trial may be going at, he may be in jail before the end of the primary season.

    I certainly hope so. Wouldn’t appeals go on for months and keep him out of jail though?

  283. 283.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 14, 2023 at 10:57 pm

    Rudy! Meadows!

  284. 284.

    NotMax

    August 14, 2023 at 10:57 pm

    Docket has gone public.

  285. 285.

    LAO

    August 14, 2023 at 10:57 pm

    I’m pretty excited about Rudy, as well.

  286. 286.

    Alison Rose

    August 14, 2023 at 10:58 pm

    Dang it’s a whole ensemble cast named in the indictments!

  287. 287.

    Hoppie

    August 14, 2023 at 10:58 pm

    @Jeffro: Well, there was 1876….

  288. 288.

    HeleninEire

    August 14, 2023 at 10:58 pm

    @LAO: Talk to us.

  289. 289.

    Alison Rose

    August 14, 2023 at 10:58 pm

    RIIIIIIIICO SLOOOOOBBY!!!

  290. 290.

    Elizabelle

    August 14, 2023 at 10:59 pm

    Lindsey Graham not in that list.  He is sobbing with relief, wherever he is.

    41 count felony indictment

  291. 291.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 14, 2023 at 10:59 pm

    @LAO: ​
      IKR

  292. 292.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    August 14, 2023 at 10:59 pm

    LOCK THEM OUT!
    LOCK THEM OUT!

  293. 293.

    NotMax

    August 14, 2023 at 10:59 pm

    41 count indictment (not all 41 applicable to Dolt 45).

  294. 294.

    hilts

    August 14, 2023 at 11:00 pm

    You get an indictment! You get an indictment! You get an indictment! You get an indictment! You get an indictment!…

    sort of h/t Oprah

  295. 295.

    lgerard

    August 14, 2023 at 11:00 pm

    Cleta Mitchell dodged the bullet

  296. 296.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 14, 2023 at 11:00 pm

    Here it is.

  297. 297.

    dmsilev

    August 14, 2023 at 11:01 pm

    That’s a lot of criming.

  298. 298.

    Lyrebird

    August 14, 2023 at 11:01 pm

    @LAO: ​

    @Omnes Omnibus: ​
     

    If the excitement gives you the energy to do so, could one of you or another legal eagle confirm:

    If someone is tried and convicted in GA for violating a state law, would that mean the federal case would be dropped against the same person, or no because it’s about different laws?

  299. 299.

    LAO

    August 14, 2023 at 11:01 pm

    Watch Ari Melber reading the indictment off his phone is probably one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen.  I take it back — there all reading the indictment on their phones

  300. 300.

    Alison Rose

    August 14, 2023 at 11:01 pm

    [redacted]

  301. 301.

    Alison Rose

    August 14, 2023 at 11:02 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Merci!

  302. 302.

    Elizabelle

    August 14, 2023 at 11:02 pm

    Trump as the head of a criminal enterprise.

    And it’s not The Trump Organization.  Skated for years with that.

  303. 303.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 14, 2023 at 11:02 pm

    @Lyrebird: ​
      Different jurisdiction. Different laws.

  304. 304.

    NotMax

    August 14, 2023 at 11:03 pm

    Now the question is, given the laundry list of names and the physical limitations within any courtroom, will the case be split among judges?

  305. 305.

    Redshift

    August 14, 2023 at 11:03 pm

    @unrelatedwaffle:

    I loved seeing HRC on MSNBC but I do quibble with characterizing misogyny and racism and “particular political stances” as “anti-American.” That shit is the MOST American. What she should have said is those ideas are fascist.

    To me, calling things “anti-American” is one of the ways we make it so. It isn’t denying that those things have been part of our country or are part of it now, it’s part trying of “changing the atmosphere” to make things unacceptable rather than focusing on changing individual minds. So I’m okay with it.

  306. 306.

    dmsilev

    August 14, 2023 at 11:03 pm

    More indictments than Baskin-Robbins has flavors.

  307. 307.

    BeautifulPlumage

    August 14, 2023 at 11:04 pm

    @Alison Rose: this reporter is on it….nitter link  https://nitter.net/TamarHallerman

  308. 308.

    LAO

    August 14, 2023 at 11:04 pm

    @Lyrebird: The case would not be dropped — you can commit an act that violates both state and federal law and be prosecuted in both jurisdictions, (No double jeopardy attaches.)

  309. 309.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    August 14, 2023 at 11:04 pm

    Cool, 19 people indicted!!

    19th Nervous Breakdown – The Rolling Stones

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCmxWu2yT8c

  310. 310.

    H.E.Wolf

    August 14, 2023 at 11:04 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: ​
     Thank you!

  311. 311.

    M31

    August 14, 2023 at 11:05 pm

    “Defendant Donald John Trump lost the United States presidential election held on November 3, 2020.”

    now there’s some nice clear writing, you love to see it

  312. 312.

    Elizabelle

    August 14, 2023 at 11:05 pm

    RICO. RICO. RICO.

    Someone more clever can update the lyrics to Peter Gabriel’s “Biko.”

  313. 313.

    Redshift

    August 14, 2023 at 11:05 pm

    @Lyrebird:

    If someone is tried and convicted in GA for violating a state law, would that mean the federal case would be dropped against the same person, or no because it’s about different laws?

    Nope. Double jeopardy is about being tried twice for the same crime (as defined by the same law), not being tried twice for the same action.

  314. 314.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 14, 2023 at 11:05 pm

    @Redshift: ​
      Agreed.

  315. 315.

    Lyrebird

    August 14, 2023 at 11:06 pm

    @LAO: ​
     

    Thanks!!

    And wow, what a day!

  316. 316.

    Alison Rose

    August 14, 2023 at 11:06 pm

    @dmsilev: You trying to start a rap battle?

  317. 317.

    UncleEbeneezer

    August 14, 2023 at 11:06 pm

    I’m glad this case will give the media the spectacle it clearly wants.  And some people were worried that the Hunter bullshit would somehow take over…I don’t think so.  The media is salivating for this one.

  318. 318.

    wjca

    August 14, 2023 at 11:06 pm

    @Wyatt Salamanca: Trump definitely sharing the wealth on this one.

    Wonder how many will flip on him before trial….

  319. 319.

    BeautifulPlumage

    August 14, 2023 at 11:06 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: there’s my bedtime reading right there. Will be interesting to contrast with the other 3 indictment docs. Thank you!

  320. 320.

    dmsilev

    August 14, 2023 at 11:07 pm

    Maybe a fresh thread now that the fourth Seal of Indictment has been broken?

  321. 321.

    NotMax

    August 14, 2023 at 11:07 pm

    @Wyatt Salamanca

    19/41. A roster that will live in infamy.

  322. 322.

    Redshift

    August 14, 2023 at 11:07 pm

    Indictmas is here again, yay!

  323. 323.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 14, 2023 at 11:07 pm

    Three Year Letterman’s take.

  324. 324.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    August 14, 2023 at 11:07 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Speaking of jurisdiction, some goofball on CNN was arguing that Willis may not have jurisdiction in this case, because the crimes “took place at the statehouse”, such as the call with Brad Raffensperger and would lead to a change of venue or something and she’s only a county DA. What’s the deal with that?

  325. 325.

    LAO

    August 14, 2023 at 11:07 pm

    @NotMax: No.  It can be tried in a ceremonial courtroom (Most courthouse have a giant courtroom that’s not generally used for cases).  That’s been my experience.  Also, it’s quite unlikely that they will all go to trial (pleas, cooperation, etc.)

  326. 326.

    HeleninEire

    August 14, 2023 at 11:07 pm

    @LAO: The left side tells us who is indicted. The right hand side spells out the crimes. Does that mean that everyone on the left hand side is charged with every crime on the right hand side?

  327. 327.

    Jackie

    August 14, 2023 at 11:07 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): No

  328. 328.

    M31

    August 14, 2023 at 11:08 pm

    “unindicted co-conspirators Individual l through Individual 30,”

    lol hope you’re having a nice sweaty time, unindicted co-conspirators FOR NOW

  329. 329.

    Brachiator

    August 14, 2023 at 11:08 pm

    98 pages. It’s wild watching reporters going through this on the air.

  330. 330.

    unrelatedwaffle

    August 14, 2023 at 11:08 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: sounds perfect!

    @UncleEbeneezer: I never said she was unaware, I bristle at a collective American refusal to acknowledge that we have an ugly past, and calling anything we don’t like in the current moment “unAmerican.”

  331. 331.

    cain

    August 14, 2023 at 11:08 pm

    Can someone give me a link to watch this press conference?

  332. 332.

    RaflW

    August 14, 2023 at 11:09 pm

    Glad to see Mark Meadows and Jenna Ellis among the names.

    I’m sure John Eastman will do great on getting that CA disbarment postponed because he’s now a criminal defendant in GA. What a maroon.

    And Giuliani. Phew, yes.

  333. 333.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 14, 2023 at 11:09 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): ​
      Idiocy.

  334. 334.

    BeautifulPlumage

    August 14, 2023 at 11:09 pm

    Too bad we can’t use all the upcoming spinning from RWNJs to power a few homes.

  335. 335.

    Another Scott

    August 14, 2023 at 11:09 pm

    98 page .PDF

    Popehat has a sad that it really is RICO this time.

    Hehe.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  336. 336.

    UncleEbeneezer

    August 14, 2023 at 11:09 pm

    Donald Trump and *18 others* have been criminally charged in Georgia:
    Rudy Giuliani
    John Eastman
    Mark Meadows
    Kenneth Chesebro
    Jeffrey Clark
    Jenna Ellis
    Ray Smith III
    Robert Cheeley
    Michael Roman
    David Shafer
    Shawn Tresher Still
    Stephen Lee
    Harrison Floyd
    Trevian Kutti
    Sidney Powell
    Cathleen Latham
    Scott Hall
    Misty Hampton

  337. 337.

    dmsilev

    August 14, 2023 at 11:10 pm

    @BeautifulPlumage: Truly a renewable resource, though there’s quite a bit of pollution to go with, so maybe not worth it.

  338. 338.

    LAO

    August 14, 2023 at 11:10 pm

    @HeleninEire: ??? I haven’t seen the indictment yet.

  339. 339.

    Lyrebird

    August 14, 2023 at 11:10 pm

    @Redshift: ​
     Double jeopardy is about being tried twice for the same crime (as defined by the same law), not being tried twice for the same action.

    Thanks!! I have a confused memory about Manafort’s different trials. But your definition is clear.

    FWIW, if some charges can stick in GA, that would be so good. Those election workers whose integrity and even lives they threatened… “deplorable” is too nice a word.

  340. 340.

    NotMax

    August 14, 2023 at 11:10 pm

    @NotMax

    Amended.

    19/41. A cabal that will go down in infamy.

  341. 341.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    August 14, 2023 at 11:11 pm

    @Alison Rose: ​ Omnes posted a link to the full indictment at #294.

    OK, I’m a science guy, not a lawyer, so I’m going to imagine those first couple of pages as a complicated table of data, and see what stories leap out at me. My impressions:

    Count #1 is RICO. Everybody gets one of those.

    Count #41 is perjury. I only see one of those.

    Lots of counts with the same name, like “False Statements and Writings”, citing the same statutes. I’m guessing those apply to different particular violations. Some people are accused of falsifying document A, while others of falsifying document B.

    Lots of the all-star Team Crazy here. And here’s Mark Meadows as a defendant. We’ve all been wondering where he stood in Jack Smith’s investigations.

    I don’t see any names I recognize as sitting members of Congress. Dammit. I really was hoping.

  342. 342.

    RaflW

    August 14, 2023 at 11:11 pm

    @HeleninEire: Under each name is the counts they are being dinged for.
    eg: Jena Ellis is pinched for Counts 1 & 2. Mark Meadows, Counts 1 & 28.
    etc.

  343. 343.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 14, 2023 at 11:11 pm

    Harry Litman @harrylitman 58s

    The bulk of the indictment — nearly 50 0f the 98 pages–consists of the enumeration of 161 acts of racketeering activity in furtherance of the conspiracy.

    IANAL but that sounds like a lot

  344. 344.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 14, 2023 at 11:11 pm

    @unrelatedwaffle: ​
      There is such a thing as appealing to the better angels of our nature.

  345. 345.

    Alison Rose

    August 14, 2023 at 11:11 pm

    @cain: Try here

  346. 346.

    BeautifulPlumage

    August 14, 2023 at 11:11 pm

    1. @dmsilev: ugh, you’re right, too much toxic sludge as a byproduct.
  347. 347.

    cain

    August 14, 2023 at 11:12 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer:

    What a motley crew. Very diverse !

  348. 348.

    Yarrow

    August 14, 2023 at 11:13 pm

    @LAO:  It’s comical watching them read the indictments off their phones.

  349. 349.

    BruceFromOhio

    August 14, 2023 at 11:14 pm

    ***yawns***

    **looks at clock**

    Kinda late for a tbogg unit, yo.

    ***rolls over***

    ~~~snoring~~~

  350. 350.

    Tazj

    August 14, 2023 at 11:14 pm

    🥳🎉🎉🍾🥂 Woo Hoo!

    Seeing Hilary smiling and laughing was great!

    Now, I’m off to watch the rest of the festivities from my bed.

    And to all a good night!

  351. 351.

    LAO

    August 14, 2023 at 11:14 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: IAAL, and that’s a lot of predicate acts supporting the RICO charge,  I never seen that many alleged.

  352. 352.

    cain

    August 14, 2023 at 11:15 pm

    @Alison Rose: thank you !

  353. 353.

    Mike in NC

    August 14, 2023 at 11:15 pm

    @Elizabelle:  It really is galling that Graham didn’t get nailed for trying to steal the GA election.

  354. 354.

    NotMax

    August 14, 2023 at 11:15 pm

    @cain

    There is no press conference yet.

    Here’s a C-SPAN link, currently showing a vacant lectern.

  355. 355.

    Jackie

    August 14, 2023 at 11:15 pm

    @David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch: WHOOOHOOO!

  356. 356.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    August 14, 2023 at 11:15 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I figured

  357. 357.

    Ishiyama

    August 14, 2023 at 11:16 pm

    It has been known for a long time that, although RICO was conceived and enacted as an instrument to be used against gangsters and drug pushers, its civil side has been a fruitful ground for private enforcement in many fields of life. One feature that was built into criminal RICO is a broad power of forfeiture, over any things used or enterprise funded or otherwise employed in the corrupt enterprise – I wonder how far that might go in this case?

  358. 358.

    Alison Rose

    August 14, 2023 at 11:16 pm

    Considering Beyonce is apparently doing a gig in Atlanta tonight, in my fantasy world, Fani comes out and just quotes her: “Middle fingers up, put them hands high, wave it in his face, tell him: Boy bye!”

  359. 359.

    Cameron

    August 14, 2023 at 11:16 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer: That’s enough to cast a musical!  I can hear the big hit now – “Don’t Cry For Me, Mar-a-Lago.”

  360. 360.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 14, 2023 at 11:17 pm

    Popehat.

  361. 361.

    RaflW

    August 14, 2023 at 11:17 pm

    I hope the Grand Jury members, names just out there for everyone, are getting some sort of protection. I do get that in an open society, part of our confidence in the justice system flows from transparency. But some of Trump’s supporters are deranged. And others are not having mental health issues, other than just being evil and immoral and wanting chaos or retribution.

  362. 362.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    August 14, 2023 at 11:17 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer:

    This is the quintessential rogues’ gallery of scum.

  363. 363.

    RandomMonster

    August 14, 2023 at 11:18 pm

    @watergirl Manhattan achieved at long last. Just in time for bed.

  364. 364.

    LAO

    August 14, 2023 at 11:19 pm

    @Ishiyama: A Criminal RICO case in the feds can also include related civil forfeiture.  (Also, true in NYS under the Enterprise Corruption statute which is the state RICO version.)

    I wouldn’t expect in this prosecution though.

  365. 365.

    UncleEbeneezer

    August 14, 2023 at 11:19 pm

    Earlier tonight:

    FUN FACT: An early successful use of RICO was the Mafia Commission Trial of 1985-86, in which Rudy Giuliani indicted 11 mobsters, including the heads of New York’s Five Families.” Imagine if he is part of these Georgia indictments.

  366. 366.

    Another Scott

    August 14, 2023 at 11:19 pm

    12 seconds of Popehat.

    Hehe.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  367. 367.

    LAO

    August 14, 2023 at 11:19 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: HAHAHAHA.

  368. 368.

    wjca

    August 14, 2023 at 11:19 pm

    @Ishiyama: Trying to imagine the forfeiture of Trump’s voice.  But it’s definitely something “employed in the corrupt enterprise.”

  369. 369.

    MisterDancer

    August 14, 2023 at 11:20 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: That does put a smile on my face ;)

  370. 370.

    dmsilev

    August 14, 2023 at 11:20 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: He’s taking the news better than I thought he would.

  371. 371.

    Another Scott

    August 14, 2023 at 11:21 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Ninjaed again…

    :-)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  372. 372.

    BeautifulPlumage

    August 14, 2023 at 11:21 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: 😸😸😸😸😸😸😸

  373. 373.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    August 14, 2023 at 11:22 pm

    @NotMax:

    @wjca:

    Hopefully, we’ve now increased the odds of Trump dying in a prison cell and maybe Rudy Nosferatu Ghouliani as well!

  374. 374.

    LAO

    August 14, 2023 at 11:23 pm

    Good night all! Enjoy this special evening.

  375. 375.

    Mike in NC

    August 14, 2023 at 11:23 pm

    @dmsilev:  We recently watched ‘Blazing Saddles‘ after many years. Anyway, there is a Baskin-Robbins store in the town with a sign in the window that reads, One Flavor.

  376. 376.

    glc

    August 14, 2023 at 11:28 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    He did mention the other day that nothing he said applied to the Georgia statute. Anyway, a nice clip.

  377. 377.

    RaflW

    August 14, 2023 at 11:32 pm

    I guess there are still unindicted co-conspirators. So maybe Lindsey will still be red-faced, sweating, and even more raving on Fox in the days ahead.

  378. 378.

    Scout211

    August 14, 2023 at 11:37 pm

    @RaflW: CNN is reporting that there are at least 30 un-indicted co-conspirators. So I would bet Lindsey is one of them.

  379. 379.

    Elizabelle

    August 14, 2023 at 11:38 pm

    Fani up

  380. 380.

    a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio)

    August 15, 2023 at 12:00 am

    @Mike in NC: does anyone want to bet he cooperated?

  381. 381.

    karen marie

    August 15, 2023 at 12:28 am

    Buzz kill.  Joyce Vance sent an email with an update about Planned Parenthood. The State of Texas is suing the organization for $1.8 billion.  You’ll never guess who the judge is.

    That’s right – it’s Kacsmaryk.  The guy who decided he knows more than the FDA and started the ball rolling to bar access to mifepristone.

  382. 382.

    sab

    August 15, 2023 at 2:38 am

    @Alison Rose: My 72 year old male spouse also thinks she is pretty. So do I.

  383. 383.

    Matt McIrvin

    August 15, 2023 at 7:14 am

    @sab: Remember how Fidel Castro couldn’t stop talking about how hot Hillary Clinton was? He had a weird crush on her.

  384. 384.

    Geminid

    August 15, 2023 at 7:36 am

    @Joseph Patrick Lurker: Comments on Chris Hayes here run about 50-50 positive-negative. Evidently he’s a hero to you though, so the negative comments loom larger than they actually are. But everyone is entitled to the heros they deserve, and I guess you deserve Hayes.

    As for our fitness to shine Chris Hayes’ shoes, there are many here who exceed Hayes in terms of experience, knowledge and judgement, and plenty who equal him. Hayes would be a middling Balloon Juice commenter.

  385. 385.

    Geminid

    August 15, 2023 at 7:39 am

    @Joseph Patrick Lurker: Comments on Chris Hayes here run about 50-50 positive-negative. Evidently he’s a hero to you though, so the negative comments loom larger than they actually are. But everyone is entitled to the heros they deserve, and I guess you deserve Hayes.

    As for our fitness to shine Chris Hayes’ shoes, there are many here who exceed Hayes in terms of experience, knowledge and judgement, and plenty more who equal him. Hayes would be a middling Balloon Juice commenter.

  386. 386.

    Ithink

    August 15, 2023 at 1:22 pm

    @Alison Rose: She really would’ve been but dear Lord does that job age a person! Some more than others without naming names.

  387. 387.

    Ithink

    August 15, 2023 at 1:27 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Unfortunately, Mr. Jones will be proven right IF enough of Independents l, Democrats and non-viters decide to perceive Biden & Harris as uninspiring and sit 2024 out. One only need to look at the 2016 results to see how disastrous matters can go with only a few teams of thousands of votes across the Electoral College map.

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