Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Shallow, uninformed, and lacking identity

Itā€™s all just conspiracy shit beamed down from the mothership.

If ā€˜weirdā€™ was the finish line, they ran through the tape and kept running.

Too often we confuse noise with substance. too often we confuse setbacks with defeat.

Marge, god is saying youā€™re stupid.

Motto for the House: Flip 5 and lose none.

So it was an October Surprise A Day, like an Advent calendar but for crime.

There are some who say that there are too many strawmen arguments on this blog.

You cannot love your country only when you win.

There is no right way to do the wrong thing.

Fear or fury? The choice is ours.

Black Jesus loves a paper trail.

When youā€™re a Republican, they let you do it.

Nothing says ā€˜pro-lifeā€™ like letting children go hungry.

In my day, never was longer.

A sufficient plurality of insane, greedy people can tank any democratic system ever devised, apparently.

Whoever he was, that guy was nuts.

Why is it so hard for them to condemn hate?

Only Democrats have agency, apparently.

Republicans are the party of chaos and catastrophe.

fuckem (in honor of the late great efgoldman)

if you canā€™t see it, then you are useless in the fight to stop it.

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  5. 5.

    Old Dan and Little Ann

    I’m a bit sad all the PBO and Hillary haters are no longer around on my book of faces.Ā  They all defriended or blocked me. They spent 6+ years fluffing trump and now it’s all just…..crickets.

  11. 11.

    Jeffro

    Lawrence Oā€™Donnell going DEEP on the psychology thing just now: ā€œDonald trump just couldnā€™t handle the thing that all adults – all 12-year-olds – have to face at some point, deal with, and move on: coming in second.ā€

  13. 13.

    MisterForkbeard

    Trump self-reported himself as 6’3″ and 215 lbs.

    That’s so far out of the realm of possibility I don’t know what to do with it. Wouldn’t it be fun if they nailed him for some kind of “lying to the court” on that alone?

  14. 14.

    bbleh

    @JPL: in all sincerity, I would agree. Ā It’s a serious pathology. Ā And Exhibit B is this 6-3, 215 thing.

  15. 15.

    LAO

    6ā€™3ā€ and 215 lbs, what a goddamn delusional loser. I ask rhetorically (cause I know heā€™s a racist bully) what do his supporters see in him?

  16. 16.

    smith

    I learned something that I hadn’t really caught before from listening to the talking heads just now is that when a defendant in GA files for a speedy trial, it has to take place within 2 court terms of the time the request is filed. If it doesn’t begin within that time frame, the charges against the defendant are automatically dropped. In the case of Chesebro, that would mean his trial has to start by early Nov.

    When Fani Willlis said on indictment day that she was ready to go to trial right away, I suspect she was prepared for the eventuality of a defendant filing for a speedy trial under this law, and I bet she really is ready.

  19. 19.

    Jackie

    So now that TIFGā€™s been booked, when does he and his codefendants report to court to face Judge McAfee for further instructions?

  20. 20.

    Alison Rose

    There’s a big ass light on the tarmac and Rachel is saying it looks like he’ll be making remarks, but amazingly, they’re not going to air them live. I’m sure they’ll still show them, but at least there’s that.

  21. 21.

    Quinerly

    @Old Dan and Little Ann:Ā  I never had any of those. Have one FB friend in Arkansas who has an insane son who lives in Hawaii. The son is always posting on his liberal dad’s page. Crazy shit. The son is convinced there is going to be a Civil War with hand to hand combat in all the cities. Rural people are going to invade the cities. The son is really excited about it. It’s all so bizarre since the son lives in Hawaii.

  23. 23.

    Alison Rose

    @Jeffro: He’s not wrong. The point too about it’s not just that he doesn’t think he should ever lose, he thinks he shouldn’t even have to compete for anything. Such a fucking toddler.

  24. 24.

    JWR

    From 11Alive.com:

    When will former President Donald Trump’s mugshot be released to the public? Here’s what we know.

    Barring special circumstances, which are always possible, it would be released tomorrow, Friday August 25, at 4 p.m. – according to the guidelines and process established over the past few days by the Fulton County Sheriff’s Office for other defendants.

    The sheriff’s office has noted in emails to news organizations: “Release of booking information to include mugshots will occur daily at approximately 4:00 p.m. (EST) via media advisory.”

  25. 25.

    Sure Lurkalot

    Did we really need to see hours of the front of the courthouse, the flight pattern, airport arrival, every second of the ridiculous motorcade there and back, 3/4 or full screen with the rest of the screen alternating MSNBCā€™s all stars? Itā€™s truly theater of the absurd.

  26. 26.

    NWO Joe

    @MisterForkbeard:

    I figured that would happen. They do not have height or weight measuring equipment in any jail I have ever seen, so they would just ask him for height and weight.

    What I want is a mug shot. I will print and frame that one – should have been done something like 40 years ago.

  28. 28.

    Alison Rose

    @JWR: I wonder if TIFG knew this and that’s why he set his surrender time for later? Thinking somehow if it doesn’t come out till the next day, people won’t care. Who knows.

  29. 29.

    JPL

    ha Local news just mentioned that trump’s bloviating about election integrity was not his role as president .

  30. 30.

    UncleEbeneezer

    @smith: Yes. Ā Karen Friedman Agnifilo did aMeidasTouch video on it, on YouTube. Ā The deadline would be roughly by the end of the year

  31. 31.

    JWR

    @Cameron:

    I wonder how soon heā€™ll get around to making a public statement.

    He just did, and all he said was that he had every right to challenge the election and blah blah blah.

  34. 34.

    Citizen Scientist

    Sitting in a bar on a work trip and the reactions here have ranged from ā€˜ oh is that happening here?ā€™ (Iā€™m not in Georgia) to ā€œthat guy is King Turd of the Sh!t family.ā€ šŸ˜‚

  36. 36.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Old Dan and Little Ann:

    Iā€™m a bit sad all the PBO and Hillary haters are no longer around on my book of faces. They all defriended or blocked me. They spent 6+ years fluffing trump and now itā€™s all justā€¦..crickets.

    WEAK. SAD. POOP.

  37. 37.

    Anonymous At Work

    Would any Atlanta drivers notice the traffic disruption?Ā  Really?
    Lends itself to plenty of jokes about the reaction of Jersey drivers, Massholes, Florida drivers, etc.

  40. 40.

    Quinerly

    @HumboldtBlue:

    I know all about Steve. I’m an early retired atty myself. Put in my 35 years in St. Louis. Steve remembers my old firm from our representation years and years ago….I think old SW Bell Yellow Pages cases. He made the connection a few years back in a thread. I think I was trying to put together a BJ meet up at one point at McGurk’s in my old neighborhood in St. Louis. Steve can jump in and refresh my memory/correct me.

  43. 43.

    sdhays

    @smith: It’s almost like she knows Georgia law!

    But seriously, people were wondering why it was taking so long, and basically needing to be ready to go right away because of a law like is a pretty good reason to make sure all the i’s are dotted and t’s are crossed before handing out indictments.

  44. 44.

    Odie Hugh Manatee

    Why does this fucker need a motorcade everywhere he goes? So he feels and looks important, that’s all. It’s all part of his grand illusion that he feeds the rubes and our presstitutes. He’s a fucking lousy salesman who pimps his ass to stupid people who buy into associating with him, which America seems to have too many of.

    He’s a pimp who sells his ass to asses.

  48. 48.

    Odie Hugh Manatee

    @NWO Joe: “What I want is a mug shot. I will print and frame that one…”

    Put it in a closet you infrequently open.

  49. 49.

    Jackie

    No way in hell did the Tuckems/TIFG interview come even close to 12.8 MILLION viewers!šŸ˜‚ šŸ˜‚

    I donā€™t have a habit of rooting for FAUX News, but this was the exception! This will piss TIFG OFF!šŸ¤­šŸ˜‚šŸ¤£šŸ˜‚

    ā€œDuring the 2016 race for the White House, then-candidate Donald Trump was responsible for making the Republican primary debates must-watch television events,ā€ the Los Angeles Times reports.ā€

    ā€œBut even without Trump onstage, Fox News was able to attract the largest cable TV audience for a non-sports program so far this year with its Wednesday showdown between the candidates for the 2024 GOP presidential nomination.ā€

    ā€œAn average of 12.8 million viewers watched the event telecast from Fiserv Forum in Milwaukeeā€¦ The TV audience was larger than what any Republican presidential primary debate drew during the 2012 campaign season, four years before Trump emerged as the main attraction. It also surpassed audience of 12.5 million for Fox Newsā€™ January 2016 primary debate held in Iowa, which Trump skipped as well.ā€

  51. 51.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Odie Hugh Manatee:

    Why does this fucker need a motorcade everywhere he goes? So he feels and looks important, thatā€™s all. 

    Answered your own question. :)

    Heā€™s a pimp who sells his ass to asses.

    Nominated!

  52. 52.

    sdhays

    @JWR: It’s always so weird that he says his calls are “perfect”, not “perfectly fine” or “perfectly reasonable”. WTF is “perfection” in a phone call with the Ukrainian President or state elected officials?

    To me, if a call was “perfect”, the things discussed would be resolved to my satisfaction, but that’s not the case with either of these calls. The only thing that sort of makes sense is that they were “perfect” in that he made his meaning clear without actually saying it. But I actually just think he doesn’t English very well. Perhaps he actually is only 215lbs because everyone is overestimating the weight of his bloated noggin.

  53. 53.

    waspuppet

    @LAO: Iā€™ve said it before and Iā€™ll say it againā€”I would never make fun of how God made someone look, but the fact that Donald Trump puts in time and effort to look like that, and looks at that in the mirror and says ā€œYeah thatā€™s good I will knowingly go out in public now,ā€ is a sign that he does not/cannot perceive the reality of the world around him. Which is another of the many things about him that you donā€™t want in a president.

    And we donā€™t talk about it enough.

  56. 56.

    Jackie

    @sdhays: I was thinking that the other day!

    Unfortunately, we have a classy President, who might secretly want to do so, wonā€™t. Iā€™ll settle for a blank space where his portrait SHOULD BE HANGING, with an explanation that the WH doesnā€™t display portraits of imprisoned former presidents. OR a portrait of him behind bars would be acceptable šŸ˜

  61. 61.

    NWO Joe

    @Odie Hugh Manatee:

    I got plans. Bottom of a cat box. Maybe under the house in the floor joists (rental house that just got sold out from under me) so the new owner can run into it when he is crawling around under there. Inside door of the Port a San at the nearby roadside rest stop.

  62. 62.

    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon

    @sdhays: Itā€™s just his criminal mind.

    A mob bossā€™s ā€œperfectā€ phone call would get the point across without crossing any legal boundaries.

    TFG thinks heā€™s an expert criminal, and untouchable. I guess weā€™ll see about thatā€¦

  68. 68.

    prostratedragon

    @waspuppet:Ā  This where I came in. Add to that the rich punk smirk that he carried around 50 years ago and you get a strong challenge to my attempts not to judge a book by its cover.

  69. 69.

    David šŸŒˆ ā˜˜The Establishmentā˜˜šŸŒˆ Koch

    @Quinerly: Well, there are certain sections of New York that I wouldn’t advise them to invade.

  70. 70.

    bbleh

    @Formerly disgruntled in Oregon: without provably crossing any legal boundaries. Ā It’s one reason (in addition to his reading difficulty) that he doesn’t use email, doesn’t text, and is obsessive about destroying certain papers.

    Thinking maybe he overestimated how careful he was being in this case (or these cases). Ā Or simply was out of his depth &/or became intoxicated with power (and perhaps a touch of dementia).

  71. 71.

    Origuy

    I posted this on the thread before last, which is dead.

    NBC News: The Fulton County Sheriff’s office responded to a bomb threat at the Fulton County Courthouse, the sheriff tells @NBCNews. K-9 units and police are en route.
    ā€” Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) August 25, 2023

  72. 72.

    Sure Lurkalot

    @waspuppet:

    ā€ā€¦but the fact that Donald Trump puts in time and effort to look like that, and looks at that in the mirror and says ā€œYeah thatā€™s good I will knowingly go out in public now,ā€

    Kim Guilfoyle would like a word.

  73. 73.

    Quinerly

    @Delk:

    My “new” house here in NM has minisplits. There are 7. I’m a true convert. I have been basically just cooling my bedroom unless I have guests. Electric bills have been under $60 a month here in the “High Desert”….unusually hot summer and no rain. I easily had $300 plus a month electric bills in my old 1880’s St. Louis house with inefficient ductwork and retrofitted layout. Minisplits rule!

  74. 74.

    Mike in NC

    Our grandchildren will have to memorize Fat Bastard’s most profound utterances the same way we had to memorize the Gettysburg Address in grade school.

    “When you’re a celebrity you can just grab women by the p****y!”

    “I just need you to find me 11 thousand votes.”

    Etc.

  77. 77.

    JWR

    @Alison Rose:

    Thinking somehow if it doesnā€™t come out till the next day, people wonā€™t care.

    Heh. Like the episode of Leave It To Beaver, where the Beav breaks a window and doesn’t want to tell anyone about it and Wally concurs, saying he guesses that even a busted window doesn’t look so busted the next day. Or something crazy like that.

  81. 81.

    Yarrow

    @NWO Joe:

    What I want is a mug shot. I will print and frame that one

    I can’t imagine doing that. Why would anyone want to look at him? If you must print it out at least put it in the bottom of the toilet so you can crap on it. Or use it to train puppies where to potty.

  82. 82.

    Scout211

    @Alison Rose: What?! Is that the actual, official mugshot?

    He looks horrible. Ā Well more orange and more horrible than he typically does. Ā That scowl is just ugly-creepy.

    ETA: And someone call his stylist, STAT. The eyebrows are in desperate need of a trim. Ā I canā€™t believe he posed that way.

  84. 84.

    Steeplejack

    MSNBC is just now showing Trump’s mug shot. Christ, it looks Photoshopped—much better than any of the others.

  87. 87.

    bbleh

    Look how fierce he is! Ā How his hair gleams! What a hero! He’ll never stop fighting for us! šŸ˜

  88. 88.

    Alison Rose

    @Steeplejack: How does it look better?? I mean, it’s not intensely over-bright but he looks horrendous. He looks like he has fucking pinkeye, for one thing. His face looks like it was sculpted from clay by someone wearing oven mitts.

  89. 89.

    Immanentize

    @sdhays: Just FYI, from my read (as backed up by the Judge’s order), November the 3 is the last day that a trial under the GA speedy trial law must commence.

  96. 96.

    Alison Rose

    I don’t know if Maggie intended to make me laugh with this, but she sure did.

    Trumpā€™s severe expression here is contrary to what we have seen from other defendants, some of whom have smiled. Trump, during the photo shoot for his official White House photo shortly before he became president, scowled at the camera and told aides he thought he looked ā€œlike Churchill.ā€

  97. 97.

    zhena gogolia

    I mean, 6’3″ 215 lbs. is LEAN! How can he expect anyone to believe that???

    I guess that’s immaterial.

  100. 100.

    Immanentize

    @bbleh: it seems that in fact, Trump does dm — text. A lot! That is what the dispute with Musk’s twitter was about. Getting Trumps old dms.

  101. 101.

    Alison Rose

    @zhena gogolia: I’d put him at 6′ max. Obama is 6’2″ and Trump next to him is slightly less in the photos I recall. 215 is a bigger lie than the election one. Maybe’s he’s dyslexic and he meant 251.

  106. 106.

    David šŸŒˆ ā˜˜The Establishmentā˜˜šŸŒˆ Koch

    @NWO Joe:Ā ā€‹
     OMG! It’s hideous. The war criminals at Nuremberg had better mug shots.

  107. 107.

    zhena gogolia

    He looks like a particularly belligerent patient in a nursing home. I’m sorry, but he does.

  108. 108.

    Jackie

    @Alison Rose: Is that for real?!? His eyes are bloodshot and in an attempt to look ferocious, he looks like he forgot his little stumpy devil horns!

    Obviously he wasnā€™t offered a retake! Heā€™s gonna beĀ FURIOUS!!!

    Baahahahah!!!

  111. 111.

    HinTN

    @MisterForkbeard: I’m 6-1 and 220. There’s a metric shit-ton of us with this body shape and every fucking one of us will know that’s a god damned lie. For some small fraction that will be enough

    ETA: Every vote matters!

  115. 115.

    Quinerly

    @jimmiraybob:Ā  I miss it. I started going to it my second year in law school at Saint Louis University. It was 2 rooms back then. Owned by 2 personal injury attys. Great place to meet other attys and judges back in the day. Owner Nic Carter would go to Ireland to find musicians. Bring them back and set them up with a 5 week residency. I moved to the neighborhood in 1984 and was there until 2022. Lots of changes with McGurk’s and the neighborhood.

  116. 116.

    Sure Lurkalot

    @Quinerly: Did you buy the house with them installed? I ask, because I sought a quote for our upper level (a 400 sf master bedroom suite) and it was $11,000. Twice as much a whole house a/c system!

    Because of trees and tri-level style, the rest of the house is more than cool enough at 75-77 degree thermostat setting even during heatwaves, but the bedroom is not good for sleeping. Right now my solution is to retreat to a daybed in a freezing cold basement. Autumn, please come sooner!

  121. 121.

    David šŸŒˆ ā˜˜The Establishmentā˜˜šŸŒˆ Koch

    I knew his mug shot would be bad, but my gawd, it’s worst than anything I imagined

  122. 122.

    M31

    I always thought Trump modeled his look on Mussolini, the strutting and the scowl and the puffed up chest.

    Worked great for Mussolini, for a while anyway.

  123. 123.

    zhena gogolia

    @Alison Rose: Yeah, the Times has it with this caption:

    The Fulton County sheriff has released the mug shot of former President Donald J. Trump. His affect is serious and scowling, brows furrowed.

  126. 126.

    Alison Rose

    @zhena gogolia: Yep, WaPo also has the credits noting it was released by the sheriff’s office.

    ETA there was a fake one going around that actually looks fairly similar, but it’s not the one on the news sites.

  129. 129.

    JWR

    @sdhays:

    ā€. WTF is ā€œperfectionā€ in a phone call with the Ukrainian President or state elected officials?

    Goodness only knows WTF he means when he says “a perfect call”. Yeah, he called up Zelenskyy, attempted some extortion, then hung up the phone. What’s not perfect about the call is that Zelenskyy didn’t take the bait, and it’s all right there on tape, as all us Haterz point and laugh.

  130. 130.

    Ruckus

    @Jeffro:

    ā€œDonald trump just couldnā€™t handle the thing that all adults ā€“ all 12-year-olds ā€“ have to face at some point, deal with, and move on: coming in second.ā€

    Well he spend the vast majority of his life coming in far behind that so he should have been used to it. Of course with his complete inability to actually behave in any way close to adult human but very close to petulant 4 yr old, in the body of a deformed and very ugly dinosaur one should not expect miracles….

  131. 131.

    Steeplejack

    @Alison Rose:

    Just the lighting, for one thing! Heā€™s got dramatic contrastā€”light on his left side, shadow on his right. Compare that to the head-on blast lighting everyone else got.

    The MAGAts will love that he looks angry and resolute.

  133. 133.

    Old Dan and Little Ann

    The twitter feed regarding the mug shot is comedy gold.Ā  There’s one of Obama holding a camera next to it and another of Hillary and PBO cracking up about the 6’3″” 215 lbs lie.

  141. 141.

    sdhays

    @M31: I don’t think Trump has been physically capable of “strutting” for a long time. Did Mussolini shuffle?

  142. 142.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    @Alison Rose: Oh god, Iā€™m getting triggered. When I was a federal employee that was the face staring out of the official photo any time I was unfortunate enough to walk past the chain of command photos. The adjective that always came to me was ā€œconstipated.ā€

  145. 145.

    Quinerly

    @Sure Lurkalot: they were here. Long story short is the house was built in 1993 with no AC. Radiant heat in the slate floors. There was a big class action suit against the manufacturer of the radiant flooring in many of the houses in Santa Fe built in that era… before I got here. As part of the settlement, the boilers had to be removed. Most people took the settlement money and installed minisplits for the heat….and AC. I think someone said they are running $6000 a piece now installed in SF. Way out of my league for sure. I love the AC part. I don’t think the heat is as efficient. Last winter was my first winter. I kept a pretty cold house. Have a kiva style fireplace. It heats great.

  148. 148.

    Immanentize

    1) @CFC_Weagle at 8:05p EST2) @ettingermentum at 8:06p ESTWe'll eventually figure out the ur-source for it (probably some chan or Discord server)— Aric Toler (@AricToler) August 25, 2023

    Aric Toler is a Bellingcat adjacent. He is a super internet sleuth. The 8:05 pic may be original, leaked by a jail employee. We will soon find out.

  150. 150.

    jimmiraybob

    @Quinerly:Ā ā€‹
      I probably set foot in the pub in the late 70s – early 80s. They still put on the music but on the weekend can be near impossible to get close enough to see. But they do have a rather expansive patio area to sip a pint. Or two.

  153. 153.

    Alison Rose

    @Immanentize: Okay, so…we’re not supposed to trust every major news org over some law people on Twitter? Sure, maybe the Twitter people are right, but I think by now Fulton County would have put out a statement if the photo were fake, no?

  154. 154.

    Quinerly

    @Lapassionara: I go through periods of missing my old life. Mostly missing what Soulard was 10 years ago. Covid Times changed everything for me. Come visit me in Santa Fe! I’m serious!

  157. 157.

    Scout211

    CNN says it’s the official mugshot and also:

    Jail records show TrumpĀ was placed under arrestĀ and bookedĀ as inmate No. P01135809.

  161. 161.

    Shalimar

    @Immanentize: Getting it right is their job. There is no excuse for making a mistake on this.Ā  All national news organizations have reporters in direct contact with the sheriff’s office.

  167. 167.

    piratedan

    Dear Mr. Trump,

    Would you please rate your recent Amazon Marketplace experience regarding your recent delivery of:

    One Dildo of Consequences, Unlubed

    All responses are reviewed in order to improve our customer support experience…..

  169. 169.

    jimmiraybob

    @Quinerly:Ā ā€‹
      I mostly head to O’Connels Pub – close and not usually crowded. They’ve recently started adding music but I don’t think Irish.

  170. 170.

    Quinerly

    @Lapassionara: I think we had each other emails at one time….when we did the meet up with a few others at McGurk’s? If not, or deleted…get mine from a front pager. Door is always open to St. Louis peeps. Plenty of room.

  171. 171.

    M31

    lol all this mugshot real/not real talk distracted me from the important thing, that is

    TRUMP IS INDICTED, ARRESTED, AND OUT ON BAIL

    hahahahaha

    enjoy your trial, loser

  172. 172.

    Immanentize

    @Shalimar: If we are gonna get through 2024 considering all the deep and shallow fakes coming our way, I just suggest people wait. Often. And not take the first bus that comes along because everyone is trying to scoop everyone else.

    Being cautious and skeptical will do us well.

    Aluminum tubes anyone?

  174. 174.

    Jeffro

    @piratedan: such. win.

     

    He’s going to slip before the weekend is out and just say/tweet/post/whatever that he should have just bumped off all his enemies like his buddy Vlad.

    Lesson for the GOP: get a hold of your party, nimrods! Ā A deranged, corrupt game-show host should NOT have been able to waltz in and destroy y’all like this. Ā What would Abe Lincoln say?

    LOL

  176. 176.

    Quinerly

    @jimmiraybob:

    O’Connell’s was always great. I knew Jack Parker pretty well. Was really sad about his death. I’m so old that I remember Norah….and no tvs at O’Connell’s (and McGurk’s for that matter). Jack hung at McGurk’s back in the 1980’s and early 1990’s. His last wife years ago was actually a McGurk’s waitress.

  177. 177.

    Jackie

    @M31: I just noticed his almost snout-like nose! No way did he get to approve this pic! One and done! šŸ˜‚

    But, he might be happy with the neck angle šŸ¤­

  179. 179.

    MisterForkbeard

    @Scout211: It really does look like he tried to photoshop a promotional photo. The lighting is very different from the other mugshots, too. But if CNN says it’s real….

  183. 183.

    Shalimar

    In new-to-me news, Donald Trump apparently transferred ownership of Mar-a-Lago to Don Jr. 3 weeks ago.Ā  You can store a lot of coke in a house that big.

  187. 187.

    Bill Arnold

    @Immanentize:

    If we are gonna get through 2024 considering all the deep and shallow fakes coming our way, I just suggest people wait.

    Also, related, it is worth doing a reverse image search to see if an old matching image can be found. I often use tineye.com and there are a few others. Often people simply reuse old images. (This is a point in time observation.)
    In this case, nope. (I do not know how much lag tineye has for new images.)

  189. 189.

    Immanentize

    @Omnes Omnibus: And a man’s gotta know those limits.

    I dislike the practice and I always worry it will bring back automatic “Hey” or “Wild” from one of our most eminence grise. Or is it eminence front?

  196. 196.

    WaterGirl

    @Shalimar:

    In new-to-me news, Donald Trump apparently transferred ownership of Mar-a-Lago to Don Jr. 3 weeks ago.Ā  You can store a lot of coke in a house that big.

    Wow, if that’s true, it’s huge.

  198. 198.

    Jeffro

    What’s that quote from Liz Cheney, again?

    Ā ā€œI say this to my Republican colleagues who are defending the indefensible. There will come a day when Donald Trump is gone, but your dishonor will remain.ā€

  205. 205.

    Steve in the ATL

    @frosty: I dump on everyone I see doing it, even awesome people such as Quinerly! This place doesnā€™t need to be every shitty Internet forum in 2002.

    @HumboldtBlue: bad day? Ā Do you need a hug? Ā Do you want to show us in the doll where you were touched?

    Besides, that kid deserved itā€”he was wearing a Yankees hat and a Dallas cowboys shirt!

     

    @Omnes Omnibus: zing!

  207. 207.

    jimmiraybob

    @Quinerly:Ā ā€‹
      Are there any comparable pubs in Santa Fe? Don’t know if I’ll ever get that way again but ya never know.

  209. 209.

    Immanentize

    @Quinerly: Whoa. More laundering of foreign assets i assume. No way that property is worth that. This is what Tish James’ civil suit is about on NY.

    Also, maybe we will get some federal action on the tax violations in NY some day

  210. 210.

    Sure Lurkalot

    @Quinerly: Maybe someday Iā€™ll seek another quote. Maybe there were supply chain issues last year. I live in Denver so the diurnal swing is usually helpful with windows open but the last 2 weeks it only gets down to the high 60ā€™s for a couple hours.

    I feel bad complaining because other BJers in the Midwest and south are suffering with absurd heat AND humidity at low altitude who would love a 70 degree evening.

  211. 211.

    Quinerly

    @Shalimar: transferred to a corporation owned by Don Jr. I’m looking for links to verify. This all seems to be breaking with the booking and addresses given.

  213. 213.

    Dangerman

    Good grief, that mug shot; if he lived next door with that scowl, Iā€™m sleeping with my shot gun.

  214. 214.

    wjca

    @Shalimar:

    In new-to-me news, Donald Trump apparently transferred ownership of Mar-a-Lago to Don Jr. 3 weeks ago.

    Why does this look like someone caching assets in preparation for filing for bankruptcy?

  215. 215.

    Immanentize

    @Shalimar: Here is the perfectly legal tax scam — you sell your property to your kid(s) for x, but the sale requires them to pay over time. In short, you hold the mortgage for your child. Then, as time goes, if they pay you get to take the unpaid part as debt, not income. And if they dont pay and you “do pay” for them, that too is tax deductible and added onto the property loss/debt. There is some guy’s name attached to this which I don’t remember.

    PS then you can forgive the debt upon your death, but they may have to pay taxes on part of that.

    This is not tax advice.

  217. 217.

    Quinerly

    @Sure Lurkalot:

    I went to a new resident HOA meeting the other day. First one they had had even though I bought 12/2021. So many new residents coming from CA who bought houses here with no AC and were complaining. That’s where I was hearing that $6000 per unit figure.

  219. 219.

    w_seattle

    Perhaps the mugshot shows a failed attempt to re-create Zoolander’s “blue steel”.

  220. 220.

    Bill Arnold

    @MisterForkbeard:

    It really does look like he tried to photoshop a promotional photo.

    It does. And it would be possible to have prepared it beforehand. (Which is to say, people will be speculating.) The The Guardian has a higher-res mugshot image where the sheriff’s logo in the upper left is clearer, but it could have been from earlier mugshots.
    I expect more details will be available tomorrow.

  224. 224.

    Mike in NC

    Couldn’t help but notice that Sidney Powell’s mug shot resembled an alien trying to pass as human.

  225. 225.

    frosty

    @WaterGirl:Ā ā€‹
     I missed the edit window to say that a few comments down I saw they knew each other. So it could be Steve’s usual snark – it didn’t sound like him.

  227. 227.

    Immanentize

    @Quinerly: I am just about to get all house heat pumps in my new old money pit. I decided against mini splits in favor of two zones of exchangers — one on the first floor from the basement and one on the second floor from the attic. Because the exterior temp gets below -20 sometimes, i need to get heat boosters for the two units for any heat to work when it is super cold. Even with rebates and incentives, because it is a total new install (there were no ducts in the house) i am looking at 50K. New mini splits are between 6 and 10 each now! (which is why I went with two units rather than a first floor unit and four upstairs mini splits).

  228. 228.

    Scout211

    Besides every single news service reporting the mugshot photo as the official one, Snopes has now weighed in.

    TRUE

    So there you have it, jackals.

  229. 229.

    Ruckus

    @mrmoshpotato:

    Well he’s incapable of operating a vehicle, like he’s pretty incapable of most anything else actual humans do so there’s that.

    You have seen news reports of his driving a golf cart – no? You don’t want to be in the same state as him at any moment but I say 2 states away if he has the keys to any vehicle.

  231. 231.

    Quinerly

    @jimmiraybob:

    Nothing like that out here. I knew what I was getting into as I had traveled here for years before moving. St. Louis has such a great live music scene and I was tied into it for many years through festivals, Blues Society, musician boyfriends, and Soulard’s Mardi Gras. I would say the best bars near me now are Cowgirl BarBQue, Tinys, Del Charro, and The Mine Shaft which is in Madrid, NM. Del Charro doesn’t have music but a nice, horseshoe shaped bar. I’m about 12 miles out of town on 3 acres. I have hopes that the new brew pub at the Lamy Train Depot will make it. George RR Martin is somewhat involved with it.Ā  Also the old historic Legal Tender has reopened in Lamy near me. Great bar, Irish music on Sundays. It’s owned by Alan Affeldt and backers. He owns La Posada in Winslow and historic properties in Las Vegas, NEW MEXICO. Knows how to be successful.

  235. 235.

    Quinerly

    @Immanentize:

    Your set up is like my old house.

    I had just put in 2 new ACs and 1 new furnace in my old Victorian before I sold. Replaced 25 year old units. I had already replaced a furnace a few years prior. That house had been rehabbed in 1978 and ductwork put in then. Zoned for first floor and walk out basement on one set of units. Second and 3rd floor on the second set of units. No insulation in that house, plaster walls, 12 ft ceilings. Very inefficient.

  240. 240.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @Immanentize:

    If we are gonna get through 2024 considering all the deep and shallow fakes coming our way

    As reasonable a fear as that is, Iā€™ve been hearing it for years and it never seems to happen. Ā An occasional easily debunked fake here and there from the fever swamps, but always low tech.

  243. 243.

    JMWP-Smathers

    Apparently Trump just posted again on Twitter tonight, what looks like an image of an MS Word doc, classy as always.

  244. 244.

    Immanentize

    @Frankensteinbeck: Did President Biden nod off for a bit at the meeting in Maui? These things are friggin sticky, whether you personally pay attention long enough to figure out they were debunked. That simple low tech fake took days to be affirmatively proven wrong.

  245. 245.

    sab

    @Immanentize: Somewhere at some point in that part they don’t pay is probably either a gift subject to gift tax you pay, or forgiveness of debt which is taxable income to the kid.

  246. 246.

    Quinerly

    @Immanentize:

    Sounds wonderful. Personally, I hit my limit on old houses. 2 1880’s inner city Victorians since 1988. My “new” house is 1992/1993….”modern” bathrooms and kitchen that I never have to do anything to.

  247. 247.

    Alison Rose

    Okay, here’s the thing. I personally don’t give a shit what anyone weighs or how big they are and all that. Trump would be a sack of shit no matter what he looked like. But the lying makes it funny, and so I poked around. Cam Thomas, who currently plays for the Brooklyn Nets, is listed as 6’3″ and 210 pounds. Obviously, he has some muscle and all that, but like…ain’t no fucking way on this planet or any other that TIFG is only five pounds heavier than this dude.

  249. 249.

    Dangerman

    Actually, that look is the look of a Dude about to be served divorce papers. I wonder if I can get a line on it happening before next Friday.

  252. 252.

    Quinerly

    Google:

    “Zillow reports the property was sold on August 4, 2023. A quick search of the website SunBiz, however, reveals that the current owner of Mar A Lago is a company called Mar A Lago, Inc. The owner of the company, and its registered agent, is Donald Trump Jr., the ex-president’s oldest son.1 hour ago”

  253. 253.

    Gin & Tonic

    @Frankensteinbeck: I think I’ve mentioned this, but somewhere on my bookshelves I have a book entitled: The Reconfigured Eye: Visual Truth in the Post-Photographic Era.

    It was published in 1992.

  256. 256.

    jimmiraybob

    @Quinerly:Ā ā€‹
      When I lived in Phoenix I’d travel back and forth to STL and have stayed at the La Posada in Winslow (I have also stood on a corner….nothing happened).

    Are you familiar with Joe’s Cafe (aka Joe’s Cafe Concerts aka Christman Studios on FB) in STL? They book a lot of good music including the Soulard Blues Band – very low key, intimate and the patio garden is wild.

    It used to be a private club but now it’s opened up and a guy named John Parker books the music there and has started booking the bands at O’Connell’s. They also book the Polyphony Marimba band out of Sante Fe. You could probably make contact to see about sending some STL jazz and blues your way.

  258. 258.

    Quinerly

    @jimmiraybob:

    Very familiar with Joe’s Cafe. Next time you are there say, “Hi!” to my buddy, Buzz, and tell him to get his plan straight with Lenny and make their road trip out here. We keep talking about it. Buzz tends bar at Joe’s

    Just saw Polyphony Marimba at Beer Creek Brewery on highway 14 a few weeks back. Great show. Sent my videos and pics back to Buzzy

    I have been spending Christmases with my dog at La Posada. Have our reservations for this year….The FDR Room….right on the tracks!

  259. 259.

    Jeffro

    I think I have mentioned this before, but at times, trumpov has made me question my own long-held atheism. Ā He is such an utterly irredeemable figure, and is so good at manipulating his suckers base whatever, to such horrible ends, that it just struck a chord in me from time to time.

    Seeing his mug shot…I don’t think I’ll be feeling that feeling any more. Ā He’s just a completely corrupt and deranged hype man who was enabled at every step of the way by equally corrupt people. Ā Corrupt humans – him included. Ā Nothing supernatural about it.

    I wonder if it will hit the same way for some portion of the Rs. Ā Not that they’ll “see the light” or become Ds or anything, but it might remind them: this was just a person who knew how to play the game, and how to play the Republican Party, very, very well. Ā He got lucky once…and then, the second time around, instead of taking his loss graciously and retiring to his gazillion billions he supposedly had, he decided it’d be best to just, oh, overthrow the government and keep the grift going.

    Just another crook. Ā Not the Devil. Ā Just another crook.

  264. 264.

    sab

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): We have an electronic barhroom scale that if you put it at just the particular angle on a particular bathroom floor tile it will knock 20 pounds off the weight it shows.

    Maybe Trump has one just like it.

  267. 267.

    jimmiraybob

    @Quinerly:
      I’m spending a couple of weeks in CO shortly but hope to have a relaxed night next week at Joe’s before I head out (Robert Nelson & Renaissance playing next week). I’ll pass the message to Buzz. That oughta be a hoot.

  268. 268.

    Kirk

    @Jeffro: Honestly, i think of him as this universe’s Nehemiah Smith. Not because of hts alleged faith but because of the alleged faith of his followers. Just takes us having recognized the problem sooner and fighting back a little more effectively (and getting a couple of lucky breaks) to avoid that future history.

  269. 269.

    kalakal

    That mugshot explains the motorcade.

    Each eyebrow would require it’s own vehicle, plus 3 more for the constituent parts of the entity perched on his scalp – and has anyone seen its birth certificate, just asking? A further 2 for the patent wattle restraints and one for his corset. Add in a tanker of bronzer and a pressure operated spray gun, 1 for him, another for the prosthetic chin unit, and finally 3 loads of assorted pins, staples, clips and super economy sized containers of Elmers + a vehicle for the onsite assembly technicians and there you have it.

    My god he’s ugly

  270. 270.

    columbusqueen

    @columbusqueen: There’s also the huge issue of asset forfeiture after a RICO conviction. Anybody know what Georgia’s statute provides for? I suspect that’s what’s panicking Lil’ Donny big time. If Willis gets the conviction, she could pick him clean.

  271. 271.

    Quinerly

    @jimmiraybob:

    Buzz is a good guy. We have floated the possibility of him house and JoJo sitting for an extended period of time for me to take off on some non doggie friendly travel.

  272. 272.

    Geminid

    @kalakal: His supporters will probably say he looks defiant but I think Trump looks like a cornered rat.

    My apologies to rats everywhere.

  274. 274.

    kalakal

    @Geminid: It’s really odd. It’s obviously a deliberate pose, and he’s desperately trying to hide his sagging neck but he looks like he’s had a stroke. He’ll have spent hours in front of a mirror posing and this is what he thinks looks good?

  280. 280.

    Origuy

    @Immanentize:

    Did President Biden nod off for a bit at the meeting in Maui?

    People who watched the whole video say that he was praying and holding a rosary.

  285. 285.

    H.E.Wolf

    @Timill:Ā ā€‹
     Hey now. Lorenzo Smythe was one of the good guys!* (Scudder, not so much.)

    *though depending on your taste in protagonists, one might need to grade on a curve when it’s the RAH canon. :-)

  286. 286.

    Ruckus

    @Alison Rose:

    Maybeā€™s heā€™s dyslexic and he meant 251.

    He’s lesdyslexic. That means he’s a neither. He’s just a blob of flabby shit with a crappy combover who can’t spell, speak, reason, be social, reasonable, in any way intelligent, personable, correct or even close. He’s shit in shoes with risers to make him look – about the same as he does without them.

  290. 290.

    Ruckus

    @kalakal:

    My god heā€™s ugly

    I don’t think so. He’d have to move up quite a few steps to be just ugly.

    He’s so bad he’s worse than fuglly.

    Which stands for fully ugly.

    He’s in a league of his own.

    He’s barfugly.

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