We recently saw this Biden-Harris campaign ad on a streaming channel here in Florida:
I think the ad strikes the perfect tone because the ultimate question really is who’s qualified to make your healthcare decisions — you and your doctor or these guys? As someone who experienced a high-risk pregnancy once upon a time, I can think of fewer scenarios more repellent than Ron DeSantis or Donald Trump weighing in on my medical options. The fucking NERVE of those fucking fuckers!
Also regarding the ad, at first I wondered why they bothered to throw forced birther Sen. Tim Scott into the mix. Now I’m thinking it was a savvy move on the Biden-Harris campaign’s part because DeSantis has been noisily insisting that the GOP primary is a “two-man race.” By including Scott, the ad underscores that’s not true. (Because DeSantis has the charisma of a damp lump of dryer lint and the compassion and sensitivity of a cold steel toilet seat in an unheated county lockup.)
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The University of Florida’s student newspaper, The Independent Florida Alligator, has been independent since the 1970s because back then, university officials tried to stop the on-campus incarnation of the paper from publishing information on abortion access. Now the media outlet is caught up in another controversy on reproductive health information, this time for rejecting an ad from an abortion pill vendor. From an editorial published on Thursday:
The Alligator would like to formally address its denial of an abortion pill through mail advertisement from MayDay Health that circulated social media over the last 24 hours.
General manager Shaun O’Connor made this decision without consulting the editorial board. He is in charge of advertising for The Alligator and denied the advertisement after talks with three lawyers from our legal team. The paper is allowed to approve or deny any advertisement.
The Alligator could have faced legal repercussions if it ran this advertisement. Florida statute 797.02 states knowingly advertising, publishing or distributing materials that provide information about obtaining substances or assistance for inducing a miscarriage can result in a first-degree misdemeanor in Florida.
While we support fair reporting and pride ourselves on informing the public, an advertisement is not an article. The editorial board will personally be reaching out to interview all parties involved to address and explain what occurred.
O’Connor said if a future editorial includes information from the ad on how UF students can get abortion pills by mail, he’ll back the editorial board. The paper should honor its history and serve its community by publishing that information. I believe it will.
Open thread.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I think Scott has a good shot at being trump’s number two, depends on whether trump’s ideas about “central casting”– white guy with white hair in a suit– outweighs his desire to (in his mind) own the libs– Scott, Haley or Noem— and this is a good way to prepare for that eventuality.
H.E.Wolf
I’ve got a sense that the 2024 elections will be like the 2018 elections, and for the same reason: many women are justifiably ticked off. And as in the 2018 cycle, many women are showing up to do the work and to vote.
It’ll be interesting to see if many men will match that willingness to take action. I hope so! It could change the outcomes in 2024 from blue tidal wave to blue tsunami.
Betty Cracker
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Rolling Stone says Kari Lake and the Greene loony from GA are locked in a “death race” for the VP nod and that even though every political aide working for the campaign says it’s a dumb idea, Trump has repeatedly discussed it. However, from the RS article:
A pity. ;-)
Jackie
For those watching NFL games today, ( GOOO SEAHAWKS!💙💚💙) the Biden ad will be airing. Smart move getting a HUUUGE audience!
Another Scott
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Scott and TIFG are both claiming FL residency, no? There’s the old Electoral College issue that might make TIFG move to, idunno, Mississippi??
If TIFG is in Leavenworth, does that mean his EC residency is Kansas??
:-/
If past is prologue, TIFG will pick someone that Ralph Reed, etc., are pushing – maybe Joy Creasman??!
[ sigh ]
Cheers,
Scott.
Elizabelle
@Another Scott: Tim Scott from SC, not Rick Scott from FL. May they all be unelectable.
Another Scott
@Elizabelle: D’oh! Not enough caffeine yet.
Thanks.
Cheers,
Scott.
sab
@Another Scott: You of all jackals should be able to tell the Scotts apart///
Spanky
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Ewww.
Joey Maloney
@Betty Cracker: Dear Marge and Keri, When Trump says he wants to tap you, be sure to read the fine print …
Brachiator
Good analysis. Totally agree with this.
Miss Bianca
@Betty Cracker: I’m not sure I would take a bet on the depth of Trump’s stupidity.
Baud
I also like including Scott because I bet normies see him as a normal, genial, reasonable Republican, and even he is going to take over your uterus.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
I thought climate change made them all extinct.
Bex
Tim Scott will never had to face a situation where his wife’s life was endangered because of serious problems with her pregnancy. So it’s easy for him to barf up the strict ban crap. And yes, I know he’s never been married.
Baud
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation:
They don’t exist, but normies don’t know that.
smith
@Bex: But he says he does have a girlfriend. She lives in Canada, you wouldn’t know her.
Brachiator
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Trump will pick someone who has not said anything bad about him. But I would be shocked to see Trump pick a black person as his running mate. I think there is an outside chance that he might pick a woman not Nikki Haley.
Because I was bored, I looked for an answer to this question. What if Trump didn’t pick a running mate?
Another fun question. Does being incarcerated count as being incapacitated?
John S.
@Jackie: I continue to be amazed at how much folks in WA love sports. Go Seahawks!
I say this all the time, but boy am I glad I moved here last year from FL, which has turned into a pretty fucked up place in just a few short years.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
@Baud: I mean Charlie Baker and Dan Crenshaw are hardly enough to redeem the reputation of an entire political party.
Fleeting Expletive
I want each of these cretins to draw a picture of the female repro system and label all the parts and explain fertilization and fetal development stages. If they cant do that, take a remedeial biology course. Until then sit the fuck down and shut up about the things of which they are so abysmallly ignorant.
Until then, every woman should demand their full rationale and ifr they cant, educate them. Bring your tampons. That Mahoney Rep from NYC was very knowlegable as I recall, and an advocate for period supplies in junior and high school. I don’t remember if he’s still in congress or not though
BruceJ
Well we do have sort of a history of this, when Darth Cheney headed up Shrub’s VP pick committee and discovered that of all the people in the world he was best suited to be the
power behind the throneVP.Another Scott
@Brachiator: TIFG said in some fluff TV show interview, IIRC, in 2015 or so, that he wanted Oprah to be his VP.
If he had his druthers, he’d pick Ivanka. If he doesn’t, the pick will probably be a sop to some group that his brainiac advisors figure he needs – the way Pence was.
Cheers,
Scott.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
As emotionally satisfying as I find this notion to be, the fact of the matter is I don’t expect a lot of people can readily do that. Furthermore, the ability or inability to do so doesn’t change right from wrong.
These fuckers just need to leave people to govern their own personal lives.
Fleeting Expletive
also every woman should be in their face saying mind your own business! and How dare you!!!
smith
@BruceJ: I can’t imagine TFG ceding any power to anybody. Especially since picking a VP opens up all sorts of potential for deal-making.
Kay
Great ad. The autonomy and agency argument is the way to go, mostly because in my experience this is how women talk about it. The ad isn’t convincing women to see it that way- it’s echoing back how they already see it.
Smart to make Trump’s horrible fleshy face the face of the anti abortion movement, too. I love the close up on his gross mouth – ugh. Nasty and mean-spirited. They want to PUNISH women.
kindness
Making information illegal isn’t the sign of a healthy society.
Alison Rose
One aspect of forced-birth ideology that always gets me is: These people claim to care so much about babies and kids, so why on Earth do they want babies born to people who don’t want them? If you love kids so damn much, don’t you want them to have parents who, you know…like them?
Of course, I know they’ll screech about ADOPTION IS AN OPTION!!!! without reckoning whatsoever with the flaws and issues with adoption and also without acknowledging that you still have to go through pregnancy and labor to give up a baby for adoption, something a whole lot of people hand-wave away like it’s no more difficult than growing a garden.
I knew from a very young age I had zero interest in being a mother, and if I’d ever gotten pregnant, there would have been no question at all that I would’ve gotten an abortion, because I didn’t want kids. Never did, never changed my mind like a bunch of smug ass people kept insisting I would. The one time I had a false-alarm pregnancy scare in my mid-20s, I was looking up the number for PP while I was waiting for the stick to change. I sure as shit wasn’t going through the hell of pregnancy (and it would have been hell for me, for various reasons) when the idea of raising a child held negative 1000000 appeal for me.
BeautifulPlumage
@Fleeting Expletive: this!!
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation: Most people aren’t trying to pass legislation on this topic, either.
Bex
@smith: She also went to a different high school.
MikefromArlington
With what Tim Scott was saying their continuing to give the term pro life a negative reaction
smith
The problem with this is that knowing about normal pregnancy doesn’t get you far in understanding how profoundly it affects women, especially when things go wrong. A lot of these guys couldn’t accurately tell you what an ectopic pregnancy is, or how frequently pregnancies end in miscarriage.
Kay
The adjudicated rapist (Trump) really revels in the idea of punishing women, too. He’s nearly smirking.
I suggest all pro choice ads include close ups of Donald Trump discussing how he’ll punish women. That’s gold.
Lyrebird
@Betty Cracker: Just for entertainment, did you see this diary from ShowerCap at DKos?
I thought you would particularly appreciate these lines, even if they’re a little overloaded:
trollhattan
@Betty Cracker:
Death match, death match, death match!
Trump will not pick an attention-hog; he’ll pick an acolyte who gazes adoringly at him.
Almost Retired
@H.E.Wolf: I think you’re exactly right. Women are going to be fired up. One of the reasons we lost the House is that Democrats under-performed here in California. Turnout was somewhat low. Anecdotally, it seems like many voters had an “it can’t happen here” approach, and weren’t as motivated as they should have been. The mifespristone ruling, as one example, demonstrates that it can happen here, too. I hope turnout soars.
Lyrebird
Same thought exactly. I press the mute button on ’em, but for anyone still wondering, that clip is perfect.
Alison Rose
@Lyrebird: Okay, it took me three read-throughs to realize that the whole first clause from “animatronic” to “paw” was meant as a silly descriptor for DeSantis. That person needs an editor friend.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
@BeautifulPlumage: An artificial test like that, if enforced even rhetorically, cuts against the protectors and the violators of rights.
But we know about how things are enforced, especially ethical guidelines not enforced by law, we’ll be expected to hold to this standard. Not them.
trollhattan
@Alison Rose:
If you were to sneak a few unwanted babbies into the Duggar home, or anybody of their ilk, how long would it take for them to even notice?
I believe that is how we address our coming flood of unplanned, unwanted children and I am not an internet crank.
Another Scott
Great ad (I finally watched it. ;-)
Cheers,
Scott.
Alison Rose
@trollhattan: Well…considering what went on in that home, I wouldn’t inflict that horrid family on any child.
Nah, better to deliver them to the offices of every GOP pol. Put ’em in baskets with notes reading “You wanted it, you got it.”
MaryRC
@Brachiator: I would be surprised if Trump picked any woman to be his VP. His voters loathe Kamala because if anything happened to Biden during his term in office, A WOMAN (shudder) would become President. They won’t want A WOMAN to take over Trump’s term of office should anything happen to him.
Kay
@Alison Rose:
Younger feminists are sort of re-examining adoption in the new landscape post Roe because obviously it now can involve women who did not have a choice or were forced to give up the child due to low income. I think it does change adoption. It’s one thing when it’s voluntary by women, it’s another when they’re forced into giving birth and then (essentially) forced to give up the child due to economic or other reasons. I think it does raise real ethical questions that were not there pre Dobbs.
Of course, the anti abortion crusaders considered none of this – they did no thinking at all.
Kay
@Lyrebird:
I think it was Chris Matthews who asked him. The one useful thing he did in his career :)
piratedan
gee what does pro-life mean anyway?
some states must believe that after six weeks you have “life”, some states state it’s 8 weeks, others 15, yet others at 12, and there are those who say it’s at conception, so lets get all of these learned legislators together to find out when is life a human… and let then use power-point or tik-tok to illustrate their positions, with all of that science or faith based measurement to back their claims….. because it’s damn confusing to me and if you’re going to turn over 50 years of precedent, you better have some foundation to stand on, show your work (as Kay likes to say).
zhena gogolia
@MaryRC: Same goes for Tim Scott. Not going to happen.
MattF
I agree that there’s a ‘Scott For Something’ movement in conservative circles (e.g., George Will’s wife) that needs to be countered. In particular, his actual positions on actual policy questions need to be publicized— everyone has figured out his skin color.
Baud
@piratedan:
It means whatever oppression you can get away with politically.
Brachiator
@MaryRC:
Trump and Trump supporters have a problem with black women. They loved Sarah Palin.
Alison Rose
@Kay: Yeah, agreed. Of course, the GOP basically doesn’t think women have, you know, feelings or whatever, so they would never think of it in these terms.
BeautifulPlumage
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation: whoa, slow down. This is a Sunday morning chat (west coast). Maybe instead of “this!” I should have written “just wanted to read this again”. My reply to you intended to convey the notion that our legislators should have an understanding of what they’re trying to regulate.
Jackie
@Bex: Lately I’ve seen little snippets here and there from GQP-type folks wondering why Scott’s never married. The Gay word hasn’t been said out loud – yet. According to Scott, he has an unnamed girlfriend.
Brings back memories of when Booker was running for President and (again GQP) folks questioned his lack of marital status.
Brachiator
@piratedan:
Republicans don’t care about precedent. They certainly don’t care about science.
They will craft the most restrictive abortion law possible if they get the chance. Their only compromise might be more liberal adoption credits and non refundable child tax credits.
BeautifulPlumage
@Kay: I thought they had considered this and appreciated the “increased domestic supply of babies” that would be manufactured under their policies
Kay
@Alison Rose:
It just becomes much more of a “low income women having children for better-off families” potential scenario. Yikes. Not a pretty picture. I imagine we’ll have first person accounts of that coming up, particularly because so many pregnant women are being sent to the religous/political indoctrination pregnancy centers the public is now funding. I imagine there’s a lot of pressure for economically vulnerable women to turn the child over to an adoption pipeline.
MattF
Also, the TV ad makes good use of DeSantis’ negative vibe. He might as well have PRICK tattooed on his forehead.
laura
I’m going to guess that Kristi Neom gets the tap from emperor tang for Veep if he picks a woman.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
@BeautifulPlumage: Sorry about that. I work retail, Sunday means nothing to me. And I live on the East Coast.
I agree legislators should know what they’re legislating about. I just don’t think rote memorization of lady parts is either sufficient or necessary to meet that benchmark.
ETA: I’d rather see legislators can reasonably interpret and draw conclusions from information placed in front of them.
Alison Rose
@Kay:
There definitely is. I’m sure they paint it as some kind of wonderful blessing they’d be giving someone, with zero concern for any negative emotions or even trauma it could cause the woman. I hate CPCs so much. They’re just so devious and cruel.
smith
Depending on the race of the babies, of course. Forced birthers are motivated in part by the terror of the Great Replacement. Non-white babies, I guess, will have to fend for themselves.
Jackie
According to Nancy Pelosi, “pro-lifers” believe conception occurs during the candlelit dinner…
Kay
@Alison Rose:
It shows what absolute contempt the anit abortion “movement’ has for women that they pushed funding EXCLUSIVELY through orgs they control rather than giving funds directly to the pregnant person.
She’s forced to go through them and undergo religious/political coercion to get three hots and a cot. They would never dream of just giving her a debit card.
It’s all about control. They think women are inherently bad so must be monitored constantly.
Citizen Alan
@trollhattan: I’m sure that the pedophile of the family is acutely aware of just how many vulnerable children are on hand.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@zhena gogolia: Tim Miller, never-trumper and one-time medium-high muckety-much in the Jeb and other campaigns, said about Scott, Haley and Ramaswamy, that GOP voters like to tell pollsters, and themselves, that they support woman and minority candidates, but it doesn’t translate to votes when push comes to shove
@MattF: wasn’t Mrs Will one of the Dole advisers who was considered to by unclean by the Two Pats wing of the party (why, yes, I am indeed old, thank you for asking).
There was some twitter buzz in the last week or so that Scott donors had somewhat belatedly noticed that he was a bachelor pushing 60, and why is that? I think if he had a wife and a couple of adorable kids to pose for pictures with, he might have a chance in spit of Tim Miller’s point above. A chance.
Kay
@smith:
I’m just glad someone is discussing all these issues. No one in media or the anti abortion movement has given them any thought, but there’s a lively discussion about adoption ethics post-Dobbs on Tic Tok anyway. So much for conservative “scholars” I guess. They put no thought into this at all. They discuss nothing. It’s like they got the hammer they wanted and now have decreed we will never mention it again.
This is a huge change to US law. Because none of them considered repercussions/ripple effects (lazy sloppy thinkers that they are) doesn’t mean they aren’t happening.
Kay
@Citizen Alan:
Ugh, The Duggars. Another reality tv tragedy. There’s an entire cohort of people who identify as “survivors” of families like the Duggars. The Duggar adults should all be in fucking prison.
Betty Cracker
@Lyrebird: LOL, did not see that, but I like their style!
Ramalama
@Kay:
So Trump going to defend his 9x criminal indictments…he might win his cases, right, and never set (another) foot inside a jail…But there should be some form of punishment.
Abortion was legal when Trump said that about women for doing something not illegal.
Obviously no Dem politician is going to say that exact quote…going a bit too far, punk.
But it would make a great sign standing outside the various courthouses, no?
JPL
I want to see an ad attacking the republicans pro-life stance. Health care and parental leave are items that they don’t support. They have been pro fetus, because they think it’s a way to get votes.
Jackie
Just a few days ago it was reported that TIFG wouldn’t endorse Blake Masters’ run for AZ senator, preferring Kari Lake.
Today, according to The Daily Beast:
😂
JWR
What, no thread dedicated to Chuck Todd’s last, and probably worst, episode of MTP?! ;) But yeah, I tuned in and out. He spent half of the Newsom segment talking about Biden’s age problem, but when given the chance, Newsom didn’t point out the glaringly obvious, that Biden’s age is about all people like Todd and the rest of his clan seem able to talk about. Instead, he took all the blame, saying that’s what we, (Dems), have to do better at, instead of placing the blame where it rightfully belongs. Who knows, maybe he did and it was edited out?
And I was going to make a joke about Kristen Welker’s entrance interview with Todd, but thought it in poor taste. I’ll leave it to others to watch the segment and judge for yourselves. Leave it to say that Welker praised Todd to the high Heavens, saying that he would always be her gold standard, or something equally off-putting. Todd, in the meantime, was soaking it all in, proud of what he’d created. Talk about gagging!
trollhattan
From the forge of democracy that is the Ca legislature, banning the book bans by book banners. Or, as Republicans call it, “removing parental choice.”
MattF
Alexandra Petri examines the meaning of ‘pro-life’ (gift link).
Maxim
@Alison Rose: Women have too many feelings, of the sort that make forced-birthers very uncomfortable. It’s the notion that those feelings deserve any consideration that’s beyond the pale.
And yes, they very much want to keep poor white women churning out babies for adoption.
Omnes Omnibus
Good or bad gagging? We need more context.
Scout211
Agree. And it also sounds vaguely like the angry right wing COVID deniers, anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers. They demand to have “freedom” and “liberty” when it comes to their own healthcare decisions. It should resonate with at least some of them. It won’t bring in the MAGAs, but it very well may bring in some independents and libertarians.
mrmoshpotato
@Jackie: Go Bears!
Go Cubs!
Go 🤢 Yankees!
Oh, and go Tigers!
trollhattan
@Jackie: I for one, look forward to more videos of that weird fucker in the desert fondling and shooting guns to demonstrate why to vote for him.
trollhattan
@Omnes Omnibus: A priest and a rabbi walk into a bar.
cmorenc
The Alabama AG is making a dangerous post-Dobbs claim to have power to prosecute Alabama residents who travel to get abortions in states where it’s legal, plus anyone assisting them to travel. This despite well-established SCOTUS precedents that affirm people’s right to travel interstate, against state attempts to prohibit such for reasons they disapprove of.
Formerly disgruntled in Oregon
@Omnes Omnibus: Are we talking pre or post-1989?
mrmoshpotato
@Joey Maloney: You didn’t have to, and yet you did. 🤮
Alison Rose
@JPL: Newsom goes HAM after the bullshit of them calling themselves “pro-life”. I wish more Dems would do the same.
Ruckus
If SFB or deathsanta didn’t have egos as big as all outdoors, they would likely be working in a warehouse somewhere as stockboys. But because they are all massive ego and massive stupidity, we get to deal with them because for some reason conservatives seem to appreciate a massively oversized ego in place of any intelligence whatsoever.
Alison Rose
@trollhattan:
Nope nope nope. It’s taking the power away from them to decide what OTHER PEOPLE’S kids can read, which is 100% correct and good. You don’t want your own kid reading a book? Fine, although as soon as you tell them they can’t read it, they will go to the ends of the Earth to do so without your knowledge. But you don’t get to tell other parents what their kids are allowed to read. Butt the fuck out of people’s business!
Alison Rose
@Maxim: Most of my feelings these days involve wanting to do harm to Republicans. I’m sure they would be very uncomfy if they could read my mind.
Jackie
@mrmoshpotato: 😂
Steve in the ATL
On a related note, I am preparing for my next expedition to a rust belt hellhole by eating salmon fresh off the Traeger, with a
localGeorgia wine. The wine has a harmonious velvety taste with a chocolate flavor, plus hints of pomegranate and post-Soviet desperation.A fine complement to a homoerotic sports spectacle in which large, sweaty men grapple each other, but in what I’m sure is a totally non-sexual way. I assume Adam is rooting for Scotland while I am cheering on the springboks. Omnes, as usual, could go either way.
Further bulletins as events warrant!
Omnes Omnibus
@Steve in the ATL: Scotland in this one. But I am rooting for France to win the tournament.
Steve in the ATL
@Omnes Omnibus: while I love angry drunks as much as the next guy, Cape Town is my favoritest place on earth, so I’ll support them despite my concerns about Elon Musk’s behavior. And, you know, apartheid and all that.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
@Alison Rose: For me, it’s all the stuff surrounding schools. These lies about what students are being taught are especially deranged.
I went the first 3.9 decades of my life without wanting to stan someone. But now?
Ruckus
@Brachiator:
Another fun question. Does being incarcerated count as being incapacitated?
First, I think you know the answer….
Second, I believe it does. No phone in the cell. Have to wear an ugly ill fitting uniform rather than an ugly ill fitting suit. Limited visitors. (Likely OK, who wants to see him anyway) Nothing to throw when a temper tantrum rears it’s ugly head. The cameras are not there to attempt to make him look good. OTOH the food seems to be what he likes….
JWR
@Omnes Omnibus:
Oh no you don’t! ;)
But just in case, I meant the old-fashioned kind of gagging. You know, with a spoon.
Splitting Image
DeSantis aside, people have been saying for years that it is a mistake to look at “Trumpism” as a unique phenomenon that arise spontaneously when Hillary Clinton was discovered to be using a private email server.
Murdering women is baseline Republican policy and whoever the news media tries to shoehorn into the race as the “moderate” is going to be in favour of it. They all fell into line for the judicial nominees and ought to be held accountable for it, loudly and frequently.
HumboldtBlue
How the fuck is this not simply a massive fuck you to the first amendment?
Ruckus
@Fleeting Expletive:
Until then sit the fuck down and shut up about the things of which they are so abysmallly ignorant.
They won’t be able to speak a word at all!
Isn’t that unusual punishment? Not for us of course, for us that’s pure pleasure.
Steve in the ATL
@JWR: related (actually, this time): Valley Girl soundtrack—best ever? Admittedly, “Johnny are you queer boy” hasn’t aged well, but who doesn’t love the Plimsouls? And yes their catalog goes much deeper than “a million miles away”, which gained tremendously in popularity after my college band covered it*.
*not intended to be a factual statement
Omnes Omnibus
@Steve in the ATL:
As usual, there is a song for the moment. I did date a nice South African woman who was working in a ski resort in Austria. But angry drunk is more my milieu.
Omnes Omnibus
@Steve in the ATL:
Johnny Are You Queer reclaimed at a Pride Festival.
Cowgirl in the Sandi
OT I don’t like Maureen Dowd but I do like Jimmy Buffett and she has a really nice remembrance of him in this morning’s NYT. I don’t know how to do a gift link, but I was surprised by her writing in a good way (as opposed to the way I normally view her writing).
Living and Dying in 3/4 Time
Betty Cracker
@Omnes Omnibus: Reclaimed? My gay friends in high school claimed it upon release in the 1980s! Seriously, we thought it was pro-gay and the joke was supposed to be on the singer’s ostensible POV.
Omnes Omnibus
@Betty Cracker: Reworked perhaps?
WaterGirl
@Steve in the ATL: That
enrireentire comment was a pleasure to read!Omnes Omnibus
@WaterGirl: Have you had a TBI or small stroke?
Steve in the ATL
@Omnes Omnibus:
Rotating tag?
@Omnes Omnibus: you did a nice job shooting the video
@Betty Cracker: that’s probably accurate. My high school friends and I probably didn’t think that deeply about it at the time.
BlueGuitarist
Love all y’all
Steve in the ATL
@WaterGirl: I am here to serve.
@Omnes Omnibus: you forgot to add “zing!”
Eolirin
@Almost Retired: New York as well. Same mentality plus bad maps, plus Hochul pissed off parts of the Orthodox jewish community. (Who have also been heavily influenced by antivaxxers into some unfortunate positions)
wjca
Perhaps it will occur to this consumate grifter that he can monetize the VP slot. Maybe even get a bidding war going to jack up the price.
MattF
@Cowgirl in the Sandi: For an NYT gift link: there’s a ‘Share’ option near the byline that brings up a ‘copy link’ option. You then paste the link into your comment.
BeautifulPlumage
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation: I totally agree with your ETA. They have staff to help research this if they wanted to know.
karen marie
@Brachiator: I can’t find it because google is full of post-2020 references to Trump and Pence, but I’m old enough to remember reports that Trump made Pence pinky swear he’d never run against him.
Traditionally the VP pick is someone the party considers the top candidate once the president terms out. Not this Republican party. It will be the person Trump sees as his biggest booster, with no aspirations beyond that. It wouldn’t surprise me if he picked Lindsey Graham.
smith
@wjca: The Blagojevich Gambit!
zhena gogolia
@Omnes Omnibus: Haha, I went back and read the comment and I was wondering what she was talking about too!
raven
@Steve in the ATL: Go Dawgs
MattF
@karen marie: My recollection is that Trump took the advice of Republican operatives in his campaign, and then, almost immediately, regretted doing so.
wjca
Although, unsurprisingly, they haven’t thought it through. Because most of those additional babies would (oh, the horror!) be POC.
wjca
If you have no empathy (or even just no empathy outside your own narrow group), concern like this is impossible.
karen marie
@MattF: It was Manafort. A little surprising he didn’t cut him loose but not very, considering Manafort has access to bodies and can make bodies that never existed, and Trump knows it.
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus: @zhena gogolia:
That’s what I get for typing one-handed, with hunt and peck, while eating lunch.
Omnes Omnibus
@WaterGirl: I wasn’t mocking the typing. I was appalled by the sentiment.
zhena gogolia
@WaterGirl: As OO said, it was the idea that that comment was “a pleasure to read” that had me puzzled. But maybe I missed something!
geg6
@smith:
Dang! Even better, he’s buddies with Blago from back in his reality show days and I could see him picking Blago! Then he’ll call himself a bipartisan since Blago was a Dem! OMG, I actually can imagine him doing it as a total troll.
jonas
I’m reminded of The Simpsons scene where Mrs. Krabappel is about to show a sex-ed film (which, notably, promotes abstinence) and excuses two, thin, conservatively-dressed boys: “Ezekiel and Ishmael — in accordance with your parents’ wishes you may step out into the hallway and pray for our souls.”
But you’re exactly right — why should a small group of wackaloon parents get to decide that *my* kid can’t read some book in school because it has a gay character or something? They can fuck right off.
Steve in the ATL
@raven: Damn it, Bobo!
If I walk outside, I can hear the lamentations from Tuscaloosa f/k/a Titletown
smith
@geg6: With the added advantage that Blago can give TFG some sound advice as to how to cope with the challenges of the next 10-20 years of his life.
cope
@Alison Rose: If you read Shower Cap’s Blog weekly as I do (now that he’s back from hiatus), you get used to his…style. It lives at its own website so you don’t have to read the Cliff Notes version at DK.
However, the real reason I responded to your post is to thank you for the link that led me to the article about insect proofing hummingbird feeders. We have replaced our bottle feeders with saucer feeders per the article and they are, indeed, engineered such that bees and wasps are unable to tap the nectar. Thanks again.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
Party doesn’t matter so much to Trump as sharing his position on corruption.
To clarify, he’s for corruption.
NotMax
@karen marie
Quayle? Agnew? Barkley? Garner? Curtis? Dawes? Sherman? Fairbanks?
And that’s just a sampling of those elected VP in the last century or so who were, shall we say, of less than superstar status. Historically speaking, there have been a total of two people elected president while campaigning as a sitting VP: van Buren and the first Bush. The track record of those who unsuccessfully ran for president while holding the office of VP is longer and not at all propitious.
LiminalOwl
@Fleeting Expletive: If you mean Rep. Carolyn Maloney, she is unfortunately no longer in Congress.
raven
@Steve in the ATL: On GTP
“Here’s a stat for you……Last year through two games, Georgia had 57 carries for 259 yards. This year it has 58 for 258.”
wjca
To clarify further, he’s for his own corruption. Other peoples corruption? He’s basically indifferent — unless it suggest to him a grift he hasn’t thought of previously.
Maxim
@Alison Rose:
If you could read my mind, oh
What a tale my thoughts would tell
Just like an old noir movie
‘Bout some Goopers who go to hell
In a castle dark, from its dungeon’s depths
With chains upon their feet
They cry and scream so well
Their endless crimes brought home at last
They suffer from a punishment complete
Steve in the ATL
@raven: so there has been a decline—fire Bobo!
Baud
@raven:
Sounds like they’re going downhill in yards per carry.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
@wjca: He pardoned Blago. It seems like this may be because they knew each other personally, but I can see Trump being supportive of all corruption everywhere.
A rising tide of corruption lifts all corrupt ships.
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus: @zhena gogolia:
That was an awesome comment. Can you not see that? Maybe you’re the ones with the problem! :-)
Betty Cracker
@cope: what kind of h-birds do you see there?
raven
@Baud: You would think we’d hadn’t won a national championship since 1980!
Omnes Omnibus
@WaterGirl: Ah, it’s day drinking that’s to blame.
Boris Rasputin (the evil twin)
@Fleeting Expletive: I once read that some man referred to the “Labia Menorah” on a fill-in-the-blanks drawing.
That’s the sort of thing that makes my family members start looking around for blunt instruments.
LiminalOwl
@Kay: Even when the woman gives up her child truly voluntarily, there is still the effect on the child—which, oddly, is completely elided in the forced-birth discussion. Yes, there are a few who will engage when the question is raised—but in my experience, their only possible answer is “better than killing them!”
And even leaving aside the adoptees I’ve known who said “yes, I wish I’d never been born”… there have been so, so many adoptees from whom I have learned about the traumatic aspects of their experience. And of course my sample is skewed by its very nature, but still—many of those clients told me that their families were basically good ones (within the normal limits, at least)… and there were still issues. Always.
NotMax
OT.
Heh. WW2 movie running in background, with deep stentorian-voiced British actor David Oxley.
Offered a delicacy as a newly arrived on Nazi occupied Crete honored guest of the resistance, presented speared on the point of a dagger: “Thank you, but I draw the line at a sheep’s eyeball.”
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
@BeautifulPlumage: Most definitely. There’s no good excuse for legislators to not be generally informed on subjects where they’re legislating.
It’s a matter of willingness to put in the work and actually caring about the results.
Yarrow
@Steve in the ATL: I’m way, way behind on the matches due to family obligations over the last several days so I’m trying to avoid spoilers. But no way to RSA. They play dirty. Do not like.
geg6
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation:
Blago was a contestant on Celebrity Apprentice. From what I understand from people I know who watched it, TIFG fired him but not as nasty as he was with other firees. He apparently did it with great reluctance and that’s why he pardoned him. Game knows game.
Mike in NC
Hey, who is more qualified to decide who gets an abortion than old white Republican men?
Bill Arnold
@Eolirin:
The P.E.A.C.H. anti-vax org goes back way before COVID-19, or COVID-19 vaccines. Here’s one from 2015:
CHOP Doc Gives Inoculation His Best Shot (jelkin, February 18, 2015, Philedelphia Jewish Exponent)
(To be blunt, they (PEACH) are mass stochastic killers and should be treated as such. At the very least they should be shunned.)
Steve in the ATL
@Yarrow: because I’m a much better person than I get credit for being, I intentionally avoided any spoilers in my post. You’re welcome!
MattF
OT. I found this pretty interesting. Denver Riggleman, a former congressman and member of the Freedom Caucus says what he really thinks about Alex Jones and Marjorie Taylor Greene. The short version is that they are nuts, the longer version provides details. The video is provided by Meidas Touch, so the first minute or so is annoying and uninformative.
Bill Arnold
@karen marie:
In desktop mode, the google search results page has a tools pulldown that includes a date window search including an arbitrary date window; you can easily specify “all pages up to end of year 2019” for instance.
If app (tablet/phone) try putting the page into desktop mode.
Citizen Alan
@Ruckus:
If SFB or deathsanta
didn’t have egos as big as all outdoorsweren’t born rich and white. they would likely be working in a warehouse somewhere as stockboys.The Kropenhagen Interpretation
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
But, then, I doubt it. Trump doesn’t have the work ethic and DeSantis can’t function well around human animals.
cope
@Betty Cracker: In order of abundance, we have seen black chinned, broad tailed, ruby throated and Anna’s hummingbirds at our feeders. Sadly, unlike FL where we had them year round pretty much, a lot of these guys and gals will/are heading south for the winter.
Bill Arnold
@MattF:
That is very (depressingly) funny. She missed “artisanal baby factories”, but maybe that is too many syllables for GOP Senator 2.
LiminalOwl
@Bill Arnold: The Orthodox would not notice, let alone acknowledge, shunning by any of the non-haredi.
Yarrow
@Steve in the ATL: Thank you. Still can’t support the Boks. Nope. No way.
Mallard Filmore
@Fleeting Expletive:
I bet they could get as far as “baby comes out here”
Bill Arnold
@LiminalOwl:
Mostly true, sigh. In my area (lower Western Hudson Valley) there is some interaction, though mainly with the men. (And with Chabad; I’ve interacted with both the local Chabad rabbi and his (younger) wife a few times.)
MattF
@Mallard Filmore: I wouldn’t be so sure about that.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
@MattF: …but there are exceptions. Republicans don’t handle those well, unless they have to hang an entire philosophy off of one.
JPL
@MattF: I haven’t listened yet, but MTG didn’t believe the Pentagon was hit on 9/11. Her district knew and elected her anyway.
Jackie
@MattF: Riggleman also worked with the J6 Committee. TIFG haters created a mishmash of anti-trump cohorts.
karen marie
@NotMax: I didn’t say it was often successful.
eversor
I don’t think these fuckers get that most people are anti abortion in the same sense as they are anti surgery. Nobody likes or wants to go through that stuff, but it does happen. So if you raw poll people on it they are of course going to say they don’t like it, but if you try to ban it people are going to get hopping mad.
This madness won’t end until churches under go mass violent protests and people are shamed for going to them. It will get there, and it will take a few deaths, but that’s what’s going to be needed.
karen marie
@Mike in NC: It’s not an abortion if a Republican does it.
karen marie
@Bill Arnold: Interesting! Thanks!
MattF
@karen marie: It was an assisted miscarriage.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
@eversor: This exactly. Abortion gives me the ickies, I still know it’s the beat policy to have it available to those who need it.
The health outcomes speak for themselves.
Another Scott
Meanwhile, … Science.org:
(Emphasis added.)
One could imagine all kinds of experiments with other “foods”. What happens when they’re fed Cheetos??
Linky to the biorxiv paper.
Cheers,
Scott.
Baud
@Another Scott:
That’s just good parenting.
Old Dan and Little Ann
We were at our town festival yesterday and there was a Moms for Liberty tent with 2 women. My wife went to “see what these assholes are doing here.” She came back with a brochure full of nonsense. She was asking where they were getting their info and the one lady said, “Sometimes I’m up to midnight doing my own research on Google.”
Dangerman
Can I get a line on Trump picking Ivanka as his mate (running mate you dirty, dirty minded jackals)? DT is NY, IT is Florida. Should be OK. He goes in for surgery, power is transferred, she pardons him for everything but Georgia, he wakes up and all good. Who else would he trust?
TriassicSands
My one criticism of the Biden/Harris ad is that I believe it was a mistake to include a quote about the “culture of life.” Who wants to say the opposite — “I believe in a culture of death”? The average American voter is not good at nuance. Too often, issues are seen as either black or white. Good or bad.
Besides, the Republicans don’t believe in a “culture of life.” They believe in a culture of forced birth. Once the baby is born, they aren’t concerned with its fate, especially if the child is from a poor or minority family.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
Claiming to do one’s own research without immediately credentialing a large portion of it suggests to me her sources were mainly her Facebook friends and right-wing internet heroes.
bbleh
@MaryRC: concur. For one thing, his VP nom must be absolutely servile, and by definition any woman angling for a slot like VP is WAY uppity. And second, I think a significant number of cultists would consider it a serious issue — a woman a heartbeat away from the Presidency? I mean, they’re just not equipped for that sort of job!
It’ll be another lickspittle male, like Pence. And concur with @wjca: that he might well put a price on it, perhaps under the table or perhaps disguised as a donation to his campaign (which funds he can pocket afterwards IIRC).
LiminalOwl
@Bill Arnold: Yep. I once attended a professional training for which the majority of attendees were some variety of observant Jews. My previous remark should have specified ultra-Orthodox, because I suspect that’s who PEACH is/are…. anyway, my experience of the group was that most of the Modern Orthodox were fine, and several were wonderful, but the few ultra-Orthodox, shall we say, tested my patience beyond the breaking point.
Another Scott
@Dangerman: Line? You mean betting line? Dunno.
Forbes.com (from September 2020):
At least it wasn’t gagging, amirite??
Cheers,
Scott.
trollhattan
@Another Scott:
“Hottest vice president since Spiro Agnew, an I right? Just look at her!”
Betsy
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation: Sure a lot of people can’t do it. But a lot of people are not trying to change the laws around pregnancy.
sab
@Dangerman: Trump is going to pick RFK Jr
Alison Rose
Good riddance!
Of course, his statement was a pile of whiny ass bullshit
Fuck off.
Jay
https://nitter.net/WCKitchen/status/1700938144575541395#m
Betsy
@MaryRC: A lot of these people don’t think women should be in high office, and:m/or that women have deficient/emotional reasoning, etc.
And, I remember local wingnuts arguing that Hillary wouldn’t have the respect of “certain countries” as head of state.
(All projection)
Alison Rose
@Jay: I swear, WCK is the greatest organization. Amazing.
Betsy
@Kay: I worked in an adjacent field and I learned that a lot of adoption agencies are really, really close to being human traffickers.
We’re taught to believe that “adoption is beautiful” and that in at least MANY cases is a load of horseshit. Poor women are bribed (there are rules, but they are bent to the point of breaking) and economically coerced into giving up children that they love and want to raise. The power imbalance between the poor women and the well-off would be adoptive parents is horrific to see in action.
Same for the emotional blackmail that’s used to separate poor women from the children they can’t afford.
All the leverage of human desperation is used to wrench consent to give up their babies from the mothers, often just hours or days after birth.
If it were a contract for anything else, like a new household appliance, it would be considered legally void and unenforceable due to the imbalance of power.
Uncle Cosmo
@JWR: Choke Toad is in dire need of being choked.
Ksmiami
@Betsy: in my often crueler moments I want to tell these self righteous asshats that maybe it God’s will that they can’t have kids
Tony Jay
@Alison Rose:
That statement of victimitude is a Trumpian feast of whine and whiffy cheese. He’s probably banking on the enormous and growing distance between his version of events and actual observable reality attracting the interest of the Spanish Far-Right, who can promote him to their legions of neo-Falangist machoboys as a Culture War martyr. Play his cards right he might have a political career, or at least get himself wedged into a comfy and well-funded sinecure commentating on Spanish Sport from a “Those bitches are ruining everything” perspective.
So many opportunities out there for so many gobshites willing to spew acid onto the marble cladding of civilisation for a living. Every one of them a walking, talking advertisement for the beneficial effects of confiscatory tax rates.
Steeplejack
@Dangerman:
Is Donald Trump’s legal residence still in New York?
Omnes Omnibus
@Tony Jay:
Valdivia is pretty sure he will go into right-wing Spanish politics.
Alison Rose
@Tony Jay: It’s so unsettling too how many men think there is nothing wrong at all with kissing a woman who doesn’t want to kiss you. (Or worse, of course.) They really do see us as nothing more than creatures for their amusement. And then they have the nerve to call us misandrists when we even jokingly talk about not wanting to be around men.
Well…if men have nothing else, they have the audacity.
(Except for all the fine fellows on this here blog, n’est-ce pas.)
Baud
@Omnes Omnibus:
Haga grande España otra vez.
satby
@Omnes Omnibus: And Valdivia knows what she’s talking about.
Tony Jay
@Omnes Omnibus:
I can see it. “Vote for me to make everyone you don’t like cry” isn’t a very progressive campaign slogan, but it’s not supposed to be.
Sad thing is, when things are fucked up and shit, it can work a treat.
Baud
@Alison Rose:
I’m more baudacious than audacious.
Alison Rose
@Baud: That’ll be in the headline on Maureen Dowd’s first column on your campaign. “The Baudacios Balloon-Juice Boy”.
Gin & Tonic
Wish this were true (maybe it is) because it’s awesome.
Baud
@Alison Rose:
Sounds like she’s still experimenting with weed.
Jackie
@Steeplejack: It is not. He’s a registered voter in FL. He won’t live where voters won’t vote for him 😂
Betty
@Steeplejack: He has been voting in Florida so I would say no.
Betsy
@Alison Rose: This also goes to the idea that the school “should inform” parents if their kid changes gender identity or wants to be referred to by a different pronoun.
WTF? Don’t the parents live with the kid? How do they not know this about their own kid already? (Hint: problems with their parenting )
If they need to find out that information, do we not think they’d be able to do so themselves?
If the school knows more about their kids than they do, isn’t that a parent problem, not a school problem?
smith
@Betsy: And if it’s a parent problem it’s sometimes because the parents would beat the living crap out of the kid if they knew.
lowtechcyclist
@Steve in the ATL:
C’mon, it’s still a terrific song! Also, my gay roommate thought it was great back then. And ‘queer’ has long since been reclaimed by LGBTQ+ persons; it’s way less of a pejorative than it was in 1982 – not that Josie was using it as one in that song.
Betsy
@Alison Rose: Nice touch that he uses his female family members as a prop for his claims of victimization
Alison Rose
@Betsy: First, I will refrain from making jokes about your typo and “ginger identity” :P
(ETA dang it, you fixed it! LOL)
But the issue here is that no, in many cases, the parents will not know about their kid maybe being trans. If a child has bigoted parents, they’re not going to feel comfortable coming out at home, so they will still go by their birth name and pronouns there because they have to. But at school, they might feel safe coming out to their friends, at least to see how it feels and figure out what their identity is. So a school deciding they have the right to tell the parents could very well put that child at risk of abuse or worse.
Tony Jay
@Alison Rose:
It’s a wide-ranging catastrofail, and though it has lots of moving parts, at its core it’s very simplistic.
“We have made your world shitty by sucking all of the money that could and should be making life better for everyone into our bulging pockets, so you’re angry and scared, but rather than pick a fight with us – which would be hard and dangerous and would mean lots of showing respect to and working alongside people who don’t look like you – why don’t you swallow this bitter brew of stomach churning resentment and fury inducing victimitude and turn it all on those people, because isn’t it just a lot easier to scream about some probably-lesbian bitches taking away your manly rights with their voluptuous frigidity or the arrogance of uppity melanin-thugs thinking they deserve the same hard-won rights as proper citizens like you, than it is to stop multi-billionaires fucking everything up?”
Thing is, it works. It’s always a lot easier to punch down than up, and there’s a whole global propaganda industry pumping out all the excuses necessary to redirect the nagging churn of slimy guilt you inevitably feel for being such a crappy coward towards good old-fashioned victim blaming.
Oh Great Cleansing Meteor, where the f##k are you when your people suffer so?
Betsy
@Ksmiami: If they were consistent at all, they’d agree with you.
Problem is they’d turn around and say it’s also god’s will that poor women supply them with substitute babies
Percysowner
@trollhattan:Lets not have any of them be girls, because eventually Josh will come home.
Sadly turning kids over to the Christo Fascists only leaves them to be tortured by them.
Betsy
@smith: well, yes! QED
Betsy
@Alison Rose: Right, I guess that’s sort of part of my point. But you point the problem out clearly.
(Slightly funny as to typo: I had a women’s studies instructor with an accent that made it sound like “ginger” every time she said “gender”. I enjoyed the class but it was hard not to laugh sometimes as the lecture covered “ginger rolls.”)
smith
@Tony Jay: That’s all true, but the Goobers of the world volunteer to be manipulated this way. If they weren’t so so willing to be lured by the siren song of racism, misogyny, homophobia, transphobia, xenophobia, etc, etc, the mobster-oligarchs would find their going much harder. As it is, it’s easy for them because so many people have rotten characters.
Tony Jay
@Betsy:
It’s a conspiracy, see? Little Billie-Joe or Billie-Jean was just fine until those creepy Woke so-called teachers started grooming them with their deviant-normalising nonsense. And while it was all kept secret behind school walls they were getting away with it. Take that veil of secrecy away and they can’t spread their West Coast values without risking a punch in the face from a real American parent.
Isn’t that how God intended it? Says so in the White Jeebus Bible, doesn’t it?
Alison Rose
@Betsy: Ginger rolls, my favorite vegan sushi dish! :P
Betsy
@smith: And easier for them because so many people have a hierarchical concept of their place in the world, in which they identify most strongly with the people over them, the people they feel they answer to and follow (and aspire to be).
So the richie-rich assholes have half or so of the beleaguered population as their natural acolytes, instead of as their natural opponents.
This problem is worse in the United States, since our culture marries belief in hierarchy to belief in a puritanical Just-World fallacy, providing a religious justification for the hierarchy (and giving its followers religious fervor in enforcing it).
eversor
@Alison Rose:
The GOP is the Christian party. In Christianity, and even per Christ, men decide all. So you cannot be Christian and allow women to have a say in anything at all. Hence liberals cannot actually be Christians, but they can be great liars and scream that Hitler made the trains run on time. And when the younger generations grow up this issue is going to be dealt with.
Betsy
@Tony Jay: Basically.
Tony Jay
@smith:
This is also true, but it is also a truth self-evident that people are seemingly a lot more willing to dive straight into the stagnant depths of far-right recidivism – as opposed to just picnicking on the shore and having the odd, drunken paddle – when things are really bad and the billionaire-funded Squirrel Sirens are this damned loud.
rikyrah
Deion Sanders… Greatest American sports story ever??🤔🤔🤔
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZT82cpTKe/
Jinchi
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Trump really needs a VP pick that’s at least as obsequious as Pence, but also willing to surrender to the mob that will undoubtedly come to hang him.
I doubt Scott can be that person. Vivek is perfectly positioned to be his attack dog, but would clearly sell Trump out at the first opportunity. DeSantis has to be humiliated and is most likely to take the whipping boy position Chris Christie held in 2016.
As for Nikki, her entire campaign is based on fear of the minority woman who’ll take over the country when the geezer inevitably keels over.
Not sure that we’re seeing his Veep on stage, yet.
Steeplejack
@Jackie, @Betty:
That’s what I thought but was too lazy to look up.
I seem to remember Trump signed some sort of “statement of residence” or something a few years ago and it caused a minor furor around “but he can’t legally live at Mar-a-Lago.” But then I think Palm Beach gave him an exemption or something. Usual Trump bullshit of “the rules don’t apply to me,” aided and abetted by craven bureaucrats.
rikyrah
I like us being on offense. We should me. Everywhere around this country, we need to point out the GOP nightmares for women . we need to get down into the weeds. We expose those horror stories. The ads should be 30 seconds or a minute. We need 90 – minute ads…telling the horrors.
wjca
With the Russian military, as with our RWNJs, it can be very difficult to identify real satire from a straight report of the dumb things they actually do say/do.
marklar
@eversor: ” In Christianity, and even per Christ, men decide all.”
Just curious…Did Jesus himself write the Gospels, or were they written by men who applied their own filters and biases in their interpretations of what Jesus said?
Frankly, I don’t think we can have full confidence in our understanding of Jesus’s personal beliefs (or teachings) since there is no evidence that Jesus himself wrote the Gospels– they were all filtered through the own heuristics (and yes, at times their misogyny) of his disciples. For all we know, he actually said “Blessed are the cheesemakers”, intending it to apply to all makers of dairy products.
rikyrah
We also need to attach body autonomy with the endangering of our national security by that clown in Alabama. He needs to be the star of his own ad campaign
Omnes Omnibus
@eversor: A bigot says what?
rikyrah
And, this needs to be spelled out….
THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS😠😠😠😠
Steeplejack
@Betsy:
Mmm, ginger rolls . . .
lowtechcyclist
@eversor:
Sez you. :-)
smith
@rikyrah: I agree. It’s all well and good to remind women that they no longer control their bodies, but it wouldn’t hurt to tell some real-life stories about what that has meant to real-life women in red states. Those stories have not received enough circulation, in my opinion, and too many non-politically-focused people probably still look at extreme abortion bans in the same simplistic terms that GQP politicians and Bible thumpers do.
Geminid
@Jinchi: South Dakota Governor Noehm would be a safe pick for VP. She meets the common Senator-or-Governor standard, was reelected last year, and won’t compete for the spotlight. She seems like the default choice to me.
Alison Rose
Oh, look the dessert cart has shown up!
Tony Jay
I knew I shouldn’t have mentioned the White Jeebus Bible. I haven’t seen someone deliberately misunderstand this many very simple Christianity-based facts since I played ‘Spin the Nun’ with Billy Graham and the-then Cardinal Ratzinger in a Des Moines strip joint called Ménage d’Cloth.
Steve in the ATL
@Tony Jay: is that the night that Omnes was invited but refused to join because of the grammatical error in the Franglais name of the strip joint? Of course, he couldn’t have resisted had Pat Robertson been there….
Another Scott
@marklar:
Who wrote the Gospels, and how do we know for sure?:
Lots of interesting stuff in the history of those books, and the puzzles they present.
“Hi Simon, er Peter. I’m Matthew, er Levi…”
Maybe they all had gang names to go with their given names… ;-)
Cheers,
Scott.
sab
@smith: We know from prior campaigns that people who share their stories will be hounded by nut jobs and RW operatives. As if they haven’t been damaged enough.
These stories may not be in the news, but women across the country are sharing them in private. Almost all of my more apolitical female friends and relatives are outraged by Dobbs and many have become activists. Women don’t always talk to men about difficult or failed pregnancies, but they do talk to each other.
Omnes Omnibus
@Steve in the ATL: I have never been to Des Moines.
Alison Rose
@Tony Jay: Don’t blame yourself, eversor is a pathetic loser with no life and probably no one IRL who gives a single shit about them, so they need something to fill their days and apparently being a hateful bigot is what they’ve landed on.
Tony Jay
@Steve in the ATL:
Oh, he made a big deal about it but he came in all right. He and Robbo were knocking back Steamboats and giggling while they tried to tie Bishop Charron’s laces together. But then a girl came on the stage in full Circus Clown make-up (it wasn’t long after Tim Curry starred in ‘IT’ and lots of midwestern punters were asking for ‘a dance like from that purty English boy with the lips and flounces’) so OO went white as a sheet and ran out. We found him the next morning three counties over clinging on halfway up an electricity pole with a still bleeding bearskin wrapped around him, the same one he wore when he sat the bar exam.
Good times… what were we talking about again?
Omnes Omnibus
@Tony Jay:
Dude, that was in Kansas City. Get your facts straight.
Tony Jay
@Alison Rose:
It’s just sad. He’s actually pretty interesting outside of the ‘No, really, Paul died of a drug overdose in 1968 and that’s actually Omar Sharif singing in The White Album, it totally is!’ level nonsense he spews about Christianity and Christians.
I mean. I’ve got no brief for the Religion Saul Made, but to paraphrase the great Alan Partridge, “Stop getting Bible wrong!”
LiminalOwl
@sab: I’ve been saying that! And wondering whether his people will say that was what TFG meant, a year or two ago, when he was promising JFK Jr.
Geminid
@sab: RFK Jr. is a possibility. I think he’d definitely be willing. He has baggage though that will weigh agsinst.
Hoodie
@marklar: Bart Ehrman at UNC has done a lot of scholarly work on the gospels, showing that they’re the product of generations of transcription errors and creative editing. He started out an earnest evangelical looking for the “true” Bible and ended up an agnostic, concluding that the whole divinity thing is ridiculous.
Alison Rose
@Tony Jay: Personally, of the roughly 8 non-insane comments they’ve made, I’ve not seen anything of value. But maybe that’s because I don’t care what “value” a hateful asshole has to offer. Having that kind of worldview means you are completely not worth anyone’s time or energy. I also find it interesting that, as far as I’ve seen, they limit their comments to Christianity, when there are certainly aspects of some sects of Islam and Orthodox Judaism one could wag a finger at. But maybe even eversor, with their teeny little brain, realizes they can get away with attacking Christianity because, for some reason, most people here don’t see it as bigotry, but if they started saying “all Muslims are terrorists” or “the Jews run everything”, that would finally reveal them to be the repugnant piece of shit they truly are.
Tony Jay
@Omnes Omnibus:
Are you sure? I mean, I did go blind for a month after Archbishop O’Connor bet me I couldn’t down his whole stash of Purple Dots in one go, but wasn’t Kansas City where Jerry Falwell lost all his money in a double-or-nothing pit-fight against Jim Bakker’s imported War Giraffe and had to steal the Travelling Wilbury’s tour bus to get back to Nashville in time for his mistresses’ abortion?
Oh, no, you’re right. That was Des Moines.
Tony Jay
@Alison Rose:
I’m pretty much convinced by now that it’s just trolling. No one can be that much of a genuine one-note vuvuzela of embarrassing wrongness on a topic without wanting to defend their viewpoint against mockery. But that never happens. It’s always just a rehash of past rants with a cranking up of the I Know Nothing! eliminationist quotient when required.
I’ll just continue with the mockery. Short of a ban (which would be fine by me) that’s about all the consideration I feel like giving our Pastor of Predictability.
Geminid
@Alison Rose: There’s also a lack of pragmatism here. As a matter of practical politics, a general war on Christianity seems like a losing strategy. And the commenter himself concedes that younger people reject politicized evangelicals.
Ed. He doesn’t bother me like he does others and I can look past the religion stuff snd appreciate the other comments, but that doesn’t mean I’m better, just different..
Steve in the ATL
@Omnes Omnibus: @Tony Jay: Americans have trouble distinguish—or even caring about—the various squarish, flat, corn-laden red states, so imaging how hard it is for foreigners!
Tony Jay
@Steve in the ATL:
Those are the parts only Superman likes going back to, aren’t they? The ones that look like huge chessboards from an aeroplane?
Alison Rose
@Tony Jay: “one-note vuvuzela”!! LOLOL
LiminalOwl
@marklar: To the best of my knowledge, even the staunchest fundamentalist doesn’t argue that Jesus wrote the Gospels (or any other part of the Christian Bible). They would say the gospels were written by his closest friends (this is, um, not supported by modern scholarship) and later parts written by some of the same plus one after-the-fact VIP.
(I would say that even if their first claim were true, someone’s best buds don’t necessarily understand what someone meant to say, nor communicate that accurately…)
They do, however, say that the Hebrew Bible was written by men taking dictation directly from God.
karen marie
@MattF: It’s an abortion.
“the termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus. especially : the medical procedure of inducing expulsion of a human fetus to terminate a pregnancy.”
Eyeroller
@Tony Jay: He keeps insisting he’s read the New Testament and yet he makes assertions about what Jesus “said” that just aren’t correct. He consistently conflates the Gospels with the Epistles. And I say this as an agnostic. And as we know, even the Gospels were written decades after the death of Jesus and are not all consistent or reliable. The Epistles are even more so, with some perhaps authentically written by Saul/Paul and others obviously not. And then there’s the Revelation (not “Revelations”) and nobody really knows where that came from.
Anyway, I don’t pie anybody, but I just scroll past him now. Somebody who is that irrational on one topic is probably not reliable on others. He’s said he was abused in church so that may well be the source of the anger. But it’s getting tiresome. Fundamentalist Christianity is a problem in the US, but it’s more an “authoritarian” issue and not a religious one. Religion seems attractive to authoritarians in general.
Ruckus
@Miss Bianca:
If betting on the depth of SFB’s stupidity always go deeper than the lowest point of all the oceans of the world, so you might get close to the right number and at least have an argument that that’s about as low as it goes, not counting the depth of the lava flows that shoot up from the fires of hell. Those might be lower.
eversor
@marklar:
If you are going to take the stance that some of Jesus comments and stuff can be thrown out than so can all the good stuff about the poor. Which leaves you with nothing.
So you’re either stuck with a patriarchal authoritarian monster that also advocates private charity by you giving up everything for the poor or you have nothing. There’s no middle ground on this. On this, the right gets it right, the left lies like crazy about it.
eversor
@Omnes Omnibus:
I’m being intollerant of the intollerant! What next! Criticizing Republicans, the super rich, and conservatives is out of line? Cause there are good Germans there to! And some of them do make trains run on time. But nope! Only CHRISTIANS are off the table despite them being the worst group.
wjca
@eversor:
A terse summation of his teachings, from the man himself:
Joshua of Nazareth: “All the Law and all the Prophets are this: love God with all your heart, and your neighbor as yourself.”
Not seeing anything particularly monstrous there. Nor anything particularly patriarchal or authoritarian either. YMMV (and obviously does)
brantl
@Betty Cracker: I think the day we actually UNDERestimate Stumpy’s intelligence will be the day AFTER his dearh, and then only if they’ve kept it secret from us.
Odie Hugh Manatee
@Alison Rose:
Adding “The” at the start of that rant would have helped.
pieceofpeace
@H.E.Wolf: I’m guessing the Repubs/TFG will announce something pro-abortion, very close to the election, with huuuge fanfare and positive assents from their cronies, leaving scant time to counteract. He will promise the moon, stars and sun that HE will prevail, all for the women (he likes to grab), and others that he loves and respects …..media will yawn.
This sounds familiar….have we been here beforehand…..hmmmm, who’s that woman people wanted to lock up for her……emails, of which no one’s pursuit of happiness in USA would have been affected. That provided a tough lesson on why to not be complacent up to the last minute, nor stop fighting to the end.
Maybe upcoming ads will address this as a probability, but will anyone pay attention?
Likely too late here, ah well…..
The Lodger
@Another Scott: Bartholomew went by his last name. For years I thought that was like a high school thing (you know, Horshack, Bartholomew…)