It was really interesting last night to listen to podcasts that were taped shortly before the vote in the House yesterday.
I like to listen to things like that AFTER we know what happened; I find it’s a way to get a feel for who is pretty clued in and who really isn’t. I call it the rewind, and it’s really useful. For me, anyway!
Last night I listened to Majority 54 and Pod Save America, and Majority 54 won that one hands down.
What are your go-to sources? Does anyone else do “the rewind”?
⭐️
Today and tomorrow appear to be the last nice days before the nights get so cold that my flowers and plants start to die, or have to come inside. The last of the peppers and tomatoes have to be picked, and it’s kind of sad.
Totally open thread.
frosty
I don’t do the rewind … because I don’t listen to podcasts. I’d rather read stuff, it’s much faster.
HumboldtBlue
Rudy Giuliani…snort… Rudy Giu-hahahahahaha-liani… is… is snortlaughsnort is suing Joe Biden for defamation for calling him a Russian pawn in the 2020 debate.
WaterGirl
@frosty: Not talking about podcasts only. Do you ever go back to what you read and see what they told you about what to expect? What was likely to happen?
trollhattan
@HumboldtBlue: Rudy, he called you a prawn. A tasty prawn presented as part of the seafood platter. Surf-n-turf option is prawns and hamberders.
Alison Rose
@HumboldtBlue: Please proceed, former Mayor.
Christ, what a dumbass.
HumboldtBlue
And I hope you guys turned off all your electronicals.
WaterGirl
@HumboldtBlue: Another Rudy lawyer pulled out of his case today. Speculation is that there are issues with Mr. Green.
(aka not having money to pay them.)
Alison Rose
@HumboldtBlue: “anything that is smart” well that leaves you out, babe
fancycwabs
@HumboldtBlue: God I hope this goes to trial. If not, maybe it can go to discovery?
Uncle Cosmo
@HumboldtBlue: Looking forward to President Uncle Joe’s lawyers responding with derisive laughter and variations on the theme of Fa in culo, coglione!
WaterGirl
Is anyone else having issues with Twitter?
Starting yesterday, I get “something went wrong” every time for every person whose account I try to read thru my regular browser. (I use Safari on my Mac laptop)
I can read it on the browser in my phone. (I don’t have the app.)
I can read it in the Chrome browser on my Mac laptop.
I have an ad blocker in Safari, not Chrome, so I temporarily turned off my ad blocker for twitter in Safari, didn’t help.
I logged out and logged back in with Safari, didn’t help.
I logged in with my other twitter account, didn’t help.
EriktheRed
Just got through watching THIS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t3I5qkyUTM&t=533s
after all this time, Cenk & Co. are still just as full of shit as ever.
lgerard
Long article on drunk Rudy
https://news.yahoo.com/giuliani-drinking-long-fraught-subject-131939884.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall
WaterGirl
@lgerard: Summary? “Rudy is drunk?”
geg6
I read TPM religiously and listen to their podcasts. Josh has really done a bang up job with TPM.
After that, I’ll read some of the links he, Nicole Lafond or Kurtz put up as good articles. Then I hit GOS, Salon and LGM for some quick hits.
I get some emails from people like Fallows and Krugman.
On TV, I will rarely watch MSNBC but definitely will catch local news for weather if nothing else.
After that, it’s BJ only. I don’t care about the stupid pundits. They don’t interest me, for the most part. They know less than I do most of the time.
catclub
@WaterGirl: Not the X thing, but my cellular service was gone for about half an hour. Did the mass messaging at 220pm edt kill it?
Who knows?
H.E.Wolf
I like the Electoral-Vote.com blog for weekday political news published each morning (approx. 9 AM Eastern/blog time), plus a Saturday Q&A and a letters-from-readers compilation on Sundays.
The two writers are a computer scientist and a historian. Their bios are here: https://electoral-vote.com/evp2023/Info/votemaster-faq.html
WaterGirl
@geg6: Do you ever go back to see if he / they were on the mark? Or maybe you’re pretty good at just remembering their takes before things happen?
WaterGirl
@H.E.Wolf: I’m really interested in whether you guys ever go back and read again or listen to see how on the mark your sources are?
For instance, Pod Save America said “well, it could go this way” or “it could go that way” but they didn’t seem to have any more insights on this vote than you or I might have.
For instance, Majority 54 really had some insights and talked about how ridiculous it would be for Dems to trust a guy that says, “if you do this one more thing for me, I’ll hold up my end of what I promised months ago”.
Redshift
@geg6:
I agree, but in this specific instance, Josh was sure the move to kick McCarthy out wouldn’t go anywhere (in the subscriber newsletter.) Looking at it now, He was right that Dems wouldn’t rescue McCarthy, but I think he missed that they’d vote him down rather than voting Present and leaving it to the Republicans.
McCarthy did get more than 200 votes, but with Dems voting no, that wasn’t enough to win.
WaterGirl
@catclub: Interesting. It may have been a coincidence. On the other hand, there may have been a bunch of unintended consequences that they’ll never know about.
eversor
Since pepper picking was mentioned we picked the last of our habs, reapers, and ghosts. We pickle these via fermentation in giant crock jars. The result would drop an elephant. For us it makes good hot sauce for sunny side up eggs.
The people we know who like such things, the sadists and masochists, have already brought the jars for some of it. All fully aware this classifies as a chemical weapon due to sheer potency due to raw capcasin content (bit of exagerations there but close enough).
Niece the younger came to help and mixed hers with mangos. Which is either going to a fun marinade or a shooter from hell. Knowing her, probably both!
hueyplong
I read TPM and things linked here.
TPM is accurate to the extent that knowable facts are determining events. When secret stuff gets sprung Marshall is just as surprised as we are. Hardly surprising.
Captain C
@HumboldtBlue:
As I said way down in the previous thread:
Ms. Deranged in AZ
I definitely do the rewind thing to see if my interp is similar to others whose opinions I respect. About McCarthy’s ouster…it’s just his turn to bend over and grab his ankles like he’s been forcing the majority of us to do for years. The party of face eating leopards is surprised by all the face eating. Rinse and repeat ad nauseum. And one final thing, my Fundy sister literally told me via a breathless text yesterday that I needed to turn my phone off and wrap it in aluminum foil to avoid being turned into a zombie by the emergency broadcast that was sent out today. I couldn’t make this s*** up even if I wanted to.
gene108
In South Jersey, it’s 82°F according to my Apple Watch. It’s too damn hot for this time of year.
hueyplong
@Captain C: Rudy isn’t going to turn things around. He will go lower and lower until he stops breathing. He’s probably already at the point at which no side would want him as a witness except on cross.
I would call it sad except that it isn’t. He’s always been an ambulatory fecal pile and this is the logical denouement.
Alison Rose
If you want to see Simone Biles kicking ass all over the place again, go forth! She is honestly amazing.
frosty
@WaterGirl:
Nope, I haven’t done that rewind either. Too much new stuff coming through the firehose.
WaterGirl
@Ms. Deranged in AZ: Wow. I was hoping that no real, actual people would believe that crap.
WaterGirl
@frosty: It was really telling when I did it last night.
okay, i’ll stop beating that dead horse. :-)
As i said up top, totally open thread.
Mr. Bemused Senior
@WaterGirl:
Giuliani’s Drinking…
NYT gift link
Shalimar
@WaterGirl: What I heard from various sources and agreed with was that at least McCarthy did eventually make deals on the debt ceiling and then Saturday on the 45 days, and both were basically what Democrats were asking for. Which meant Dems were likely to vote present to keep him in the job regardless of how bad his really dumb rhetoric was rather than risk the alternative.
I am happy those people and myself were wrong. I despise McCarthy.
billcinsd
@WaterGirl: While I am still old, I mostly just remember things, so I don’t need to go back and check
Mike S
I like VOX”s Today Explained.
We run it on my station and they tend to do a good job of getting deeper into their stories than most. Fairly funny while they’re at it.
Scout211
@WaterGirl: I know you know this and probably have done it over and over but did you clear the cache?
It wasn’t working for me to embed X posts for weeks, but it started working again and for the past two days I can now embed X posts.
Apparently there is a problem for safari users and here are some recommendations for fixes. But I think it just randomly doesn’t work for users and the fixers have been fired so it takes awhile to get it fixed.
ETA: the site linked for fixes is very good, with illustrations (my kind of instructions!) and is very easy to follow.
billcinsd
@Shalimar: Except Sunday he then blamed the Dems for the near shutdown
WaterGirl
@Shalimar: Interesting. That leaves out the Ukraine funding issue, though, which is a big deal thing to renege on.
Bill Arnold
Not specifically, but I do make mental notes of confident predictions.
Checking those predictions is a very good practice, agreed.
WaterGirl
@Scout211: Thanks! I am cooking right now, but I opened that in a tab to look at later. Fingers crossed.
Captain C
@hueyplong:
Agreed.
WaterGirl
@billcinsd: And there’s that!
Shalimar
@WaterGirl: I don’t trust Kevin on Ukraine. He has been very wishy-washy depending on who he was talking to. His replacement is a roll of the dice, but the aid will sail through if the new Speaker is in favor. The votes are still there.
Baud
@Shalimar:
At present most of the GOP caucus is still there. The question will be whether the new speaker will be held hostage to the fringe like McCarthy was.
Shalimar
@billcinsd: You have to weigh whether that outrageous rhetoric will impact the deal you can get to keep government open in 43 days. He has always caved when forced into a corner before. But I am happy they chose to call him on it. I really hate lying. It makes life so much more complicated when you can’t trust someone you also can’t just avoid.
Redshift
@Shalimar:
Except they weren’t. What the Dems wanted on the debt ceiling was not holding a gun to the country’s credit and demanding a ransom. McCarthy may not have gotten a lot, but he did some mild spending concessions, which he then proceeded to ignore and let the Freedumb Caucus go hog-wild on the appropriations bills. So if that was the reasoning, I’m not surprised they were wrong.
The only reason for the Dems to save Kev’s ass was if all of the other prospective candidates looked worse. A bunch of them to, but mostly it’s a wash, because the worst members of the GOP caucus don’t want to actually be responsible for anything.
Redshift
@Shalimar: Yep, as long as it comes up for a vote, I think it will pass. The only question is whether his replacement keeps it from a vote. But the Dems having sunk McCarthy (in the GOP’s own fairy tale version), maybe that’ll give them some extra leverage.
Betty Cracker
No rewinds for me — I usually have a tolerably accurate recollection of what I read on topics that interest me. I only go back and check if I have a question about something.
Second or thirding the TPM recs. They do some terrific original reporting, and their punditry is solid too. Kate Riga covers abortion rights as well as anyone in the country, IMO.
ProPublica is another great news source. Certain members of SCOTUS wish they weren’t.
I subscribe to a shitload of newspapers for work reasons. The quality varies enormously.
EarthWindFire
Sort of on-topic, I learned two valuable lessons since Sunday. One, make no prediction until you know every dumbass thing a GOPer said today. Two, assume every GOPer is an over entitled moron who couldn’t find their own ass with both hands and a flashlight.
I avoided news on Saturday and Sunday in favor of tea with my bff and a hike with my other bff (aka my sweet doggo). At tea, bff human asked what I thought of McCarthy. I told her his career was over, just a question of when. All good so far. Then, I get a news alert that the shutdown was no more. I give McCarthy credit and think oh, he made a deal with the Dems to save his speakership. Needless to say, I knew nothing about his forcing the CR on the dems or his trash talking them after.
Lesson learned, my friends.
Scout211
WTF? McCarthy behind move to kick Pelosi out of her office, sources say – so he can move into it
Is this House of Representatives, junior high edition?
Baud
@Scout211:
So why Hoyer?
Scout211
Probably for Scalise? Majority Leader?
Baud
@Scout211:
But the offices are for former leaders, right?
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
McCarthy was always an empty suit
Scout211
@Baud: who knows with these clowns, but Emmer is already planning to bid to be the Majority Leader next and Scalise is running for Speaker, so it could be a game of musical
chairsoffices. As long as it’s not a Democrat, apparently.Shalimar
@Scout211: Scalise already has a better office than Hoyer. Maybe the plan is to give Hoyer’s office to McHenry once a permanent Speaker is elected
WaterGirl
@Shalimar: Yep.
You simply cannot trust someone who has gone back on a deal. As soon as they do that once, you know who and what they are.
WaterGirl
@Baud: And whether the new speaker will be part of the fringe.
Interesting move for them to adjourn for an entire week. Somebody didn’t want all this shit happening out in the open.
H.E.Wolf
One of the things I appreciate about Electoral-Vote.com is that the two writers often give updates on what they’ve
said[ETA: written] previously, including updates on what they got wrong.Shalimar
Btw, my new representative, Jerry Carl, a complete non-entity nationally and someone even locals do not notice at all, issued a statement saying he supported McCarthy, and this whole debacle is a distraction from fighting the woke agenda.
Even the boring ones are nuts.
Scout211
Yes, now he does. But he could end up being Speaker or Emmer could end up being Majority Leader. He’ll get the Speaker’s office if he is voted Speaker or if Emmer moves up and he loses the Speaker vote, he would have to take the office that Hoyer is moving out of. Too many possibilities. This clown show is a circus also a game of musical offices! 🙄
WaterGirl
@H.E.Wolf: That’s good to hear.
Shalimar
@WaterGirl: My take on that is that there will be constant negotiations until then so they settle on a candidate who will win on the first ballot. Whether McHenry is any better at counting votes than McCarthy, we will see next Wednesday.
Geminid
@WaterGirl: I don’t think the caucus can agree on a Speaker from the fringe. In January, the more centrist wing stuck to McCarthy like glue because a Freedom Caucus Speaker was unacceptable to them.
But this could mean House Republicans might not be able to agree on anyone. Scalise is probably their best chance.
If they deadlock, I don’t think the Speaker’s Chair will be vacant for very long, though. The vacuum will be filled somehow. I have my notions of how, but we will see next week so I won’t speculate in this comment.
geg6
@WaterGirl:
Since I’ve narrowed my intake of news in the last few years, I can generally remember what they’ve said. And one of the reasons I’m such a fan of Josh Marshall and TPM is that he always admits when he’s wrong. Fallows and Krugman usually do, too. Pretty much the only MSNBC show that can keep my attention for more than five or ten minutes is Lawrence O’Donnell’s. I only want to pay attention to people who I consider to be serious and to the things they point me to as interesting or informative.
geg6
@Redshift:
But he also has a post where he admits he got it wrong. That’s what a good journalist does.
Baud
Y’all are my news source.
Geminid
@Shalimar: You can’t count the votes of people who won’t be counted. I think McCarthy wasn’t sure he had the votes and understood the Dems would not help. So McCarthy knew he was rolling the dice with the Motion to Table. It turned out to be only 8 against him but that was enough.
mrmoshpotato
How many frozen stuffed peppers did you end up with? Mmmmmm
The Professional Left podcast is my go to every Thursday night. Sometimes it works as a rewind, sometimes not.
mrmoshpotato
@EriktheRed:
Don’t even wanna know. Still ashamed I used to listen to those bozos. I highly recommend Hal Sparks’ daily rundown on things. (Includes ripping into The Young Turkeys at times.)
Here’s his YouTube channel.
BellyCat
@Geminid: Tease!
Brachiator
@WaterGirl:
I mainly just watch or read regular news sites, CNN, MSNBC, BBC, sometimes NPR. The San Francisco Chronicle podcast, Fifth and Mission, is quite good on California stories, while the LA Times is unfocused and sadly mediocre. A local public radio news program, Air Talk, is consistently good and gets good guests.
Other than that I will look at links strongly recommended by Balloon Juice posters. I’ve never looked at TPM or LGM.
I rarely go back and see how pundits did.
I’m interested to learn what Democrats and Republicans actually do, and sometimes reporters talk to the right people and spill the beans. But I don’t care what reporters or pundits think politicians should do.
frosty
@geg6: We have similar news sources. I think TPM was the first blog I read regularly, followed by Kos (which I dropped), then B-J and Wonkette. I’ve been reading Fallows ever since I had a Washington Monthly subscription in the 70s, although I had to give him up when the Atlantic got weird in the early 2000s and I cancelled the subscription. I’m getting his substack newsletters now*.
I’d love to read Krugman but I haven’t found a source except the FTFNYT and I’m not going to send them any money.
* If you read his latest ones, go buy a copy of Fate Is The Hunter now! I’ve been reading and re-reading it for decades.
beckya57
@WaterGirl: it does get cold in Champaign. I remember it all too well.
I’m a dinosaur. Don’t do podcasts, streaming, any of that newfangled stuff.
Brachiator
@beckya57:
What do you do instead?
Geminid
@BellyCat: I’ve laid out one possible scenario several times, but every time I did I ended up writing 6 or 7 replies to people saying it’s impossible. I like to argue, but I need to get to sleep early tonight.
Geminid
@beckya57: I don’t do podcasts, streaming etc. either. I just look up topics Iam interested in. I am a fast reader and like to be able to take notes.
I also listen to AM radio and regularly catch the CBS network news. There’s not a lot of depth but plenty of breadth, and that provides a kind of depth of its own.
I also manage to keep up on local news from Harrisonburg and Charlottesville that way. I have noticed that some friends in Charlottesville often know less about what’s going in their town than I do. They spend their time on podcasts and documentaries, and are certain these modes are superior to “old media.”
@Brachiator:
Czar Chasm
Two podcasts that are news-adjacent:
Hood Politics – Extremely plugged-in fella that frames current political topics in street culture. Extremely entertaining and informative.
It Could Happen Here – More of a collective effort, it addresses SoCal, national, & global politics with a very leftist approach. Extremely dense, yet entertaining, and they do an hour of it five times a week!
Manyakitty
I subscribe to the Washington Post, Wonkette, and Popular Information (Judd Legum). Judd regularly commits significant acts of shoe-leather journalism.
Lawfare or Wonkette for legal analysis
Links from here and off the streets (😁)
hitchhiker
@WaterGirl:
late to this thread, but yes — I like to go back and see what people thought was going to happen.
Your post made me remember that I wanted to replay a show I happened to hear about a week before the midterms last year.
This was of course when the Big Red Wave was still assumed to be a real thing; the conversation was Ryan Lizza talking to the most arrogant asshole I’ve run across in a while. His job was to spend $250 million to make Kevin McCarthy the Speaker of the House.
Lol.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/10/28/kevin-mccarthy-deep-dive-00063618
Ascap_scab
If you’re looking for a good podcast to listen to, Driftglass and BlueGal do one called The Professional Left Podcast.
Actually, it is three pods in one feed. There is a weekly political review, a once a month Science Fiction University, and a historical political deep dive No Fair Remembering Stuff.
The last one is especially juicy.
Ramalama
@WaterGirl: Likely this thread is DEAD but I just wanted to say that the POD Save dudes notoriously remind the listeners, and themselves, that they do not make predictions.
But yeah, I listen to the round up of what happened to get some informed takes.
Never heard of Majority 54 but will take a listen! I listen while doing work because I can’t bear to read the news any longer. Not sure why that is but part of my job is to read technical stuff which is almost required to be bad.