My mom said if I couldn’t say anything nice, I shouldn’t say anything at all.
NEW: The SEC is seeking to force Musk to testify about his shady stock trades ahead of his acquisition of Twitter. https://t.co/g1u67cTDVm
— Mueller, She Wrote (@MuellerSheWrote) October 5, 2023
Possibly not the result she expected?
Who do you want as Speaker?
— Jenna Ellis (@JennaEllisEsq) October 4, 2023
Open thread.
RaflW
I want Starlink nationalized.
He’s been paid a shit-ton by the gov’t already. Buy him out as a matter of National Security. (Not realistic, but it should happen.)
jackmac
Come on WG. Let’s hear what you really think!
WaterGirl
@RaflW: I agree that Starlink should be nationalized
dmsilev
She didn’t include TFG in that poll. Sad. Yet hilarious.
WaterGirl
@dmsilev: Haven’t you heard? Trump and Jenna Ellis have broken up!
WaterGirl
Again, without comment.
Nukular Biskits
Afternoon, y’all!
Just chillin’ here today.
LOL @ Ellis tweet.
RaflW
Oh, and that Jenna Ellis item. Tossing out the Jeffies votes (which is awesome, but c’mon) It’s gotta really sting for Scalise:
Scalise 11.7%
Johnson 3.2%
Jordan 85.1%
Dayum.
WaterGirl
PDF of Trump’s Motion to Dismiss based on presidential immunity.
Ken
The really awesome thing is that she limited the poll to members of the House Republican caucus.
/snark
Eyeroller
@RaflW: One of the few old-fashioned magazines to which I subscribe is Wired, and they’ve had a couple of articles about Neuralink and its treatment of the macaques used as test subjects. It was horrifying and UC Davis was complicit. Then Muskmelon lied about it. He claimed they were old and terminally ill, when they were young and had to be euthanized due to dreadful surgical malpractice and device failures and design flaws. I can’t believe the FDA approved human trials after the failures with the monkeys.
WaterGirl
Wow. Discussing sensitive information about US nuclear submarines after he leaves office.
FelonyGovt
@WaterGirl: What would HE fight it with, gasoline? Sheesh
brendancalling
“Whom.”
WaterGirl
@FelonyGovt: I mean, I know there are certain kinds of chemical fires where you can’t use water, but this guy just went with “you can’t fight fire with water”.
Too funny.
Alison Rose
@WaterGirl: I feel sorry for the two brain cells swimming around that man’s head, desperately trying to find each other through the murk.
WaterGirl
@brendancalling: Is that directed at me? I am not good with “who” and “whom”.
edit: Oh, probably the survey.
WaterGirl
@Alison Rose: Maybe he was stoned?
Baud
I don’t understand. Did she include Jefferies in the poll? Or could users “write in” Jefferies?
Subsole
@FelonyGovt:
His fists.
Lapassionara
@WaterGirl: he has been and currently is a threat to our national security.
CCL
@WaterGirl: not you. Jenna in her poll question.
WaterGirl
Has everyone seen this announcement from the DOJ?
I think we are going to see more of this. If the Rs fuck with Ukraine funding, I hope Biden has some good, smart ways around it, like he is doing with the student loan stuff.
MisterDancer
Yes and he’s winning, it seems.
bbleh
Jordan might actually have the MAGA cred to get the House to get business done, but alas he evidently has neither the brains nor the inclination to do so.
*sigh* I hope the WH is getting its PR offensive ready, cuz if the MAGAts shut things down they’re gonna be putting out a LOT of smoke and throwing all the mud they can get their grubby mitts on, and bringing them back to some minimal level of adult-like functionality is going to be a huge lift.
WaterGirl
@Baud: She actually included Jeffries!
Alison Rose
@Baud: I don’t think you can have write-ins on a Twitter poll. She probably expected Jeffries to have a tiny portion and be well overshadowed by the Republican names, so that the MAGA idiots could laugh at him.
gene108
@WaterGirl:
The number of national secrets members of Mar-a-Lago must have heard from Trump has to be more than this one instance.
He must’ve regaled people at the table with or people who wanted to rub elbows with him about all the awesome stuff he knew as President.
bbleh
@FelonyGovt: @Subsole: bullets, evidently.
WaterGirl
@MisterDancer: The poll is closed. I believe those are the final results.
zhena gogolia
@brendancalling: Right on!
SpaceUnit
I fully expect Elon to disappear up his own ass some day.
Just wish he’d hurry up with it.
WaterGirl
@gene108: I’m going with hundreds, possibly thousands.
Baud
@MisterDancer:
@WaterGirl:
@Alison Rose:
Thanks. Seems like a dumb thing to do, even for Republicans.
Shalimar
Someone posted on X-Twitter that Elon can’t name his own kids in chronological order, and I am unsure whether that is snark or something that actually happened when he was high for an interview.
zhena gogolia
@Shalimar: Well, they have these bizarre names like XKE-350
Baud
@zhena gogolia:
He should have just used counting numbers as names so he could remember their order.
Ken
@Baud: Worked for the Romans.
prostratedragon
@WaterGirl: Happy-go-lucky fella, ain’t he?
trollhattan
@WaterGirl: That seems…non-smart. Were any of these “members” from Roosha or Gyna? Asking for a friend.
NotMax
@Baud
Or used the George Foreman method.
//
Shalimar
Marjorie Taylor Greene, showing no awareness that she actually has a job where she is supposed to work:
Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene
@RepMTG
If Trump becomes Speaker of the House, the House chamber will be like a Trump rally everyday!! It would be the House of MAGA!!!
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MattF
Quote from Bloomberg Opinion (Dave Lee):
Why bother to make excuses for him? Musk is a bad person, period.
LiminalOwl
@Alison Rose: Putney Swope, anyone?
Alison Rose
@Baud: The liberal California government wouldn’t let him:
mrmoshpotato
Does maniacal laughter count as saying something?
Baud
@Alison Rose:
ONE
TWO
THREE
etc.
NotMax
@LiminalOwl
Truth and Soul, baby!
SiubhanDuinne
@WaterGirl:
Can’t say sumpthin nice?
H.E.Wolf
@Baud: “He should have just used counting numbers as names so he could remember their order.”
Yan, Tan, Tethera, Methera, Pip, Sethera, Wineberry, Wagtail, Tarrydiddle, Den….
dmsilev
@Alison Rose: Based on his current behavior running Twitter, I guess we should be grateful he didn’t name his kid poop-emoji.
geg6
@WaterGirl:
🤣🤣🤣
zhena gogolia
@Baud: Like Tertius Lydgate in Middlemarch, I think that first name means “third son.”
Baud
Y’all are on the wrong side of history from eversor.
Alison Rose
@Baud: I figured you meant digits because Musk seems to struggle with words.
WaterGirl
@Shalimar: Was that Marge celebrating the party every day! Or was that an “oh no, it would be like a MAGA party every day”.
NotMax
@Baud
Old joke.
Q: What comes between fear and sex?
A: Fünf.
Shalimar
@dmsilev: You are more optimistic than I am if you’re sure poop-emoji won’t be the next kid.
WaterGirl
@SiubhanDuinne: I had never seen that! Or is I saw that scene as a kid, the scene didn’t stick with me, even though the message did.
Repeated frequently by my mom.
Alison Rose
@Baud: “Organized religion” and yet it’s only about people having left/being bothered by various sects of Christianity. So even the “nones” and the reporting on them act like “religion” = “Christian” and no one else exists.
Shalimar
@WaterGirl: Marj is endorsing Trump for the job, so she absolutely wants the House to be a perpetual rally where nothing gets done.
Ken
@Alison Rose: If, in another dozen years, that child brutally murders Musk, no jury in the world would convict. They might even award a public service medal.
Baud
@Alison Rose:
It’s probably better to be invisible in this situation.
Dan B
@trollhattan: The Australian shared the info about subs with a group of people and it got to a number of foreign nationals and a journalist. Jack Smith has the goods fortunately.
zhena gogolia
@SiubhanDuinne: My husband is now totally in love with that clip.
I never saw it because Bambi was too sad for me.
NotMax
@zhena gogolia
Like unto the assembled roll call in Goodbye, Mr. Chips.
“Luddington-Twombley.”
“Present, Sir.”
“Luddington-Twombley Secundus.”
;)
Origuy
Despite watching Mock the Week, Have I Got News For You, and QI on YouTube or BritBox, I only recognize about half of this bunch. Tony Jay, your thoughts?
Jay
@zhena gogolia:
Funny thing is, Jaguar never made an XKE-350.
zhena gogolia
@NotMax: Right!
zhena gogolia
@Jay: I just picked a number out of a hat.
zhena gogolia
I’m nearing the end of my watching all seven seasons of Mad Men, and the most brilliant thing about the show just hit me. All the male characters keep changing their hairstyles and facial hair to follow the styles, and they look quite accurate for what I remember of the various periods. BUT DON DRAPER NEVER CHANGES HIS HAIRCUT OR GROWS A BEARD OR MUSTACHE. It’s kind of subliminal, but when it hits you, it’s just awesome.
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
WaterGirl
@Shalimar: Ugh.
frosty fred
@zhena gogolia:
My grandfather had cousins named Eleven (eleventh son) and Ellie LaPlata (their home town). So a person never knows.
Bill Arnold
@WaterGirl:
Apparently, it goes back a while. The earliest ref found by google is 2012, but it sounds very much like something that 16 year old kid was taught by older people.
N.R.A. Call to Guard Schools Is Criticized as Too Simplistic (Motoko Rich, Dec. 22, 2012)
WaterGirl
Oh my gosh, just saw this in the NY fraud case:
This is huge.
co-owners
equity partners
lenders
including the 500 LLCs
It’s all gonna come out.
WaterGirl
@Bill Arnold: Interesting! Maybe just mindlessly repeating something he was told.
Captain C
@David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch: Given how hard he hit, and how many times, and the primitive state of sports medicine at the time (especially the rather casual approach to head injuries), I’m impressed he made it that long.
Alison Rose
@Baud: But I was planning to tattoo a giant Star of David on my face.
Geminid
There’s been a little flurry in Turkiye today over US forces shooting down a Turkish drone in Syria. The Pentagon says that Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin spoke to his Turkish counterpart about the incident, and both nations seem to be downplaying this event.
Turkiye just launched a bombing campaign against Kurdish YPG forces in northeast Syria. It’s retaliation for an attack in Ankara Sunday that was claimed by the PKK. Turkiye says the PKK controls the YPG militia that the US has worked with for a decade in its anti-ISIS campaign.
eclare
@WaterGirl:
Interesting.
Frank Wilhoit
@NotMax: Obligatory.
WaterGirl
@eclare: What if it’s all the real estate and business dealings that brings him down?
The Supreme Court can’t save him from the state stuff.
Redshift
@WaterGirl: Ooh!
karen marie
@WaterGirl: OMFG. This is such fun!
Geminid
@WaterGirl: That will be big.
The information may be available because of the Corporate Transparency Act passed in the 2020 Lame Duck session. The CTA was attached to a defense bill that had to be passed over Trump’s veto. The mandated financial disclosures are not public records, but can be accessed by federal, state and tribal authorities.
NotMax
@frosty fred
And then there’s Señor Senior Junior.
:)
@Frank Wilhoit
Yowzah.
Betsy
@Subsole: like a manly man. Just like he fights the coronavirus, I’m sure.
RedDirtGirl
@WaterGirl: I remember a cartoon from (I think) The New Yorker, where someone is being accused of something and he says “Whom, meem?”
Jeffro
“nationalize Starlink” sounds like something that SOME enterprising person oughta trademark and start printing bumper stickers, t-shirts, etc.
otherwise, you’re just leavin’ money on the table there, fellow libs. ;)
Scout211
Wow, when you’re famous, they let you do anything.
The details that are coming out are what we all expected but now there are witnesses and evidence.
From the trial today via AP
Alison Rose
Video of Feinstein’s memorial service. The link should go to the time when Mayor Breed begins her remarks, but if not, jump ahead to about 42:20. After her is a rabbi, then the Veep, Chuck Schumer, the San Francisco Girls Chorus, Pelosi, and then Feinstein’s granddaughter.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
It’s the same as the relationship between he and him, she and her; subject or object.
I also see a lot of trouble with “you and *1st person pronoun*.” If you can replace both words with “we”, it’s “you and I.” For “us,” it’s “you and me.” Amateur pedants insisting it is always “you and I” drive me up the wall.
ETA: Or if you’re not sure, think of a similar use case in a Lady Gaga song, then do the opposite.
MisterDancer
Nothing would be more lovely than to see him hoisted by his own damn petard, in a way.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
@MisterDancer: I just learned a petard is a type of bomb. I like the expression, but I can’t imagine any bomb being the proper implement to hoist anything.
eclare
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation:
Same, on the insistence most people have on using “I” and other first person pronouns.
“The letter was addressed to both he and I.”
My ears explode, but it is so common now.
Captain C
I can think of something nice to say. It will be very nice to see Musk testify under oath and penalty of perjury about some of his shady dealings.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
@eclare: We all had the one overly zealous English teacher ranting about people saying “you and me did whatever” and too many of us only got that part and over-corrected.
eclare
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation:
Exactly. It’s an overcorrection that somehow “me” sounds wrong.
smith
I think it refers to involuntary hoisting, as when your bomb explodes beneath you.
Jeffro
FYI, trump is willing to “accept the Speakership for a short period of time” (you know, to help out*) while the House GOP works on selecting a long-term replacement Speaker.
Have at it, snooze media! I’m sure you’re up to telling Americans about the danger here.
*and by this, he means “continue to find other avenues in which to inflict revenge on his enemies and wreck the country”
WaterGirl
@Captain C: well done!
Jeffro
Also, RIP Dick Butkus.
WaterGirl
@Jeffro: Bueller? Bueller?
NotMax
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation
Don’t get me started on people who say can in place of may.
Jeffro
@WaterGirl: what, did I miss this upthread or last thread or something? My bad. =)
Ken B
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation: A petard was a breaching bomb. They’d secure it to a door or a wall with a spike, light the fuse, and scarper.
Sometimes the bomb would go boom before they got clear…
IIRC ‘Hoist’ was the past tense of a verb that’s faded away. Probably the only reason the expression survives is Will Shakespeare had it in a play.
eclare
@NotMax:
I don’t hear that one as much. I was watching some show on TV, can’t remember which, but the person used correct grammer, and I was astonished. Something like “he and I did so and so.” Astonished.
NotMax
@Jeffro
Just long enough to restock all those desolate now empty spaces at Mar-a-lago.
//
SiubhanDuinne
@zhena gogolia:
He (and you!) might also enjoy this clip. Thumper is a wonderful character!
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
I named my cat: ø = 2 · √(A / π)
NotMax
@SiubhanDuinne
One of the customers who regularly shopped at my former business is named Thumper. Really.
He’s since gone on to become a professional skateboarder.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
Can you do this for me?
I can…
JaySinWA
@WaterGirl: Why not include Jeffreys. The last 15 rounds did.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
@Ken B: Thanks for the info. Now to delve further into the historical usage of “hoist.”
eclare
@David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch:
Hahaha….
WaterGirl
@Jeffro: You were talking about the news media stepping up and talking about the dangers of that. I was suggesting that perhaps none were stepping forward to do that.
WaterGirl
@SiubhanDuinne: You linked to a google search and not to a clip.
Google searches do not necessarily bring up the same thing on all devices. :-)
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
eclare
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation:
For some reason I get “hoisted on his own petard” mixed up with Damocles’ sword. Not sure why.
Brachiator
@eclare:
My favorite pronoun funk song.
Rick James, “You and I.”
eclare
@David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch:
Yep. I watched that, she was funny but firm in her answers to Jimmy.
WaterGirl
@JaySinWA: I agree. But it would be very like the Rs to leave off the D.
Hoppie
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation: There is a common English cognate word. Just remember Germanic “f” is equivalent to Latin “p”, and that we’re dealing with a small, explosive sound.
Wapiti
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation: The early explosives were … iffy. Hoist by one’s own petard means it blew up and hoisted the petard user somewhere.
And petard in the French of Shakespeare’s day also meant “fart”. Sometimes the actor delivering the line will hop up a little, being hoisted as it were, to get laughs from the courser elements in the audience.
prostratedragon
@David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch:
Aww. R.I.P.
eclare
@Brachiator:
Oh yeah! Thanks for the earworm!
I can hear the bass line now…
SiubhanDuinne
@NotMax:
That’s very cool. Can he do this?
Geminid
@JaySinWA: Still no love for Tom Reed though.
I admit, Reed is a very dark horse in this Speaker race.
wjca
Presumably called “Overpie” for short.
Chris Johnson
@SiubhanDuinne: There’s a story behind that adorableness :) Bambi was one of the first movies where they tried to use real kids for kid voices.
Thumper was Peter Behn, who was only four and couldn’t read too well… in the audition they had kids reading Thumper lines, and Peter just sort of loudly blurted ‘DID THE YOUNG PRINCE FALL DOWN??’… and the people conducting the auditions thought that was terrible, but in the back of the room the animators went ‘whoa, what was THAT?’ and responded to the character and unforced personality of the kid.
And so, in that very clip, Peter forgets his line for just a moment. He starts it, and then he freezes, his breath catches, and then he remembers and finishes up.
So they animated it, just like that :) and that’s what’s in the movie.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
@Hoppie: I was working to figure out what you meant until I saw someone posted it explicitly.
Jeffro
@WaterGirl: ah, my bad!
There was an Axios piece yesterday and a Post piece today about how trump’s violent rhetoric is ramping up?
Not much (and way, way too late) but it’s a start!
gwangung
That’s Shakespeare indeed….rude, crude, lewd as well as being some of the most well wrought prose of its time.
prostratedragon
@WaterGirl: That jumped out at me too; talk about “perjury traps!” Jonathan Greenberg, who had that interview with John Barron for Forbes, thinks it’s going to be tough to get compliance, for exactly the same reason most of us catcallers do.
Another Scott
@Jay: @zhena gogolia:
People will stick a 350 Chevy engine in anything…
Cheers,
Scott.
SiubhanDuinne
@Chris Johnson:
I had no idea!! What a wonderful story — thank you!
zhena gogolia
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation: “hoist” in that phrase means “lifted”
“Lifted by his own bomb” would be a modernization, I guess.
zhena gogolia
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation:
Wikipedia.
zhena gogolia
@SiubhanDuinne: Thanks — I’ll pass it along!
NotMax
@SiubhanDuinne
Gotta link to a bit of the Bumbie episode. “…because he ate too much sugar.”
zhena gogolia
@zhena gogolia: Never answer a pedant’s question on BJ before reading the whole thread!
geg6
@zhena gogolia:
I love that show so much. It feels so existential to me. Don and Peggy are two of the best characters ever. And if the show was a novel, I don’t think it would feel any differently. Not many tv shows have felt that way to me.
zhena gogolia
@Chris Johnson: That’s so cute!
zhena gogolia
@geg6: It really is a novel. I’m sure I’m going to watch it all again.
NotMax
@gwangung
Not everyone agrees.
:)
Ealbert
@NotMax:
My mother was an English teacher, and if we used can instead of may, she would reply “I don’t know, can you?
geg6
@Ealbert:
Same. My mom was a journalist.
NotMax
@Ealbert
Yuppers. Part of the soundtrack of my youth.
Ken
He also thinks that Trump took out multiple loans with (ahem) overseas lenders, and didn’t bother telling them about the other creditors? Because I have suspicions along those lines.