Former Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY) says House Dems “did exactly the right thing” in voting to remove Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) as Speaker:
“McCarthy, at every moment over the course of the last two years, has done more to enable and collaborate with and apologize for Donald Trump.” pic.twitter.com/L8BumZCcHk
— The Recount (@therecount) October 5, 2023
House Republicans face a clear choice.
Partner with House Democrats on a bipartisan path forward.
Or continue to empower MAGA extremism.
— Hakeem Jeffries (@RepJeffries) October 5, 2023
I’m not going to say the next Speaker will be Hakeem Jeffries but I think it would be crazy to say it won’t be him. https://t.co/3bfAUbAW8T
— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) October 4, 2023
excellent, serious interview. @RepJeffries intelligence and dynamism shine thru.Another example (along w/ @JohnJHarwood interview) why best work usually cannot be found on broadcast or cable TV. It takes time, preparation, focus sometimes on single topic https://t.co/MJAKIzWQ2k
— Jennifer Truthful, Not Neutral Rubin (@JRubinBlogger) October 4, 2023
A half-hour podcast from last October, at the New Republic — “The Next Generation of House Leadership”:
… What drives the chair of the House Democratic Caucus, and what’s his vision for the next generation of leadership?
Jeffries, who grew up in a union family in Brooklyn’s Crown Heights, traces his political journey back to the 1992 Rodney King trial. “There was a shock at the injustice of an acquittal. And I remember saying to myself that … [I want] to fight for the principles of equal protection under the law, liberty, and justice for all in the purest possible way.” Three decades later—on the heels of what he calls “one of the most productive legislative sessions in the history of the country”—Jeffries discusses what implementation of clean energy investments will require, why solving the affordable housing crisis is one of his top priorities, and how progressives can better communicate their accomplishments and goals. “We’re going to have to do a better job moving forward, of recognizing that there’s a distinction between governing and messaging,” he said. “You govern in fine print. You message, you persuade, you communicate in headlines.” Later, Jeffries discusses the historic role of the Congressional Black Caucus, and what being middle-class actually means in today’s economy.
How to Save a Country is presented by the Roosevelt Institute, The New Republic, and PRX. Generous funding was provided by the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation and Omidyar Network. Views expressed do not necessarily reflect the opinions and beliefs of its funders…
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On the other side: TFG has endorsed Gym Jordan for House Speaker, for what that’s worth, out of the mouth of a lifelong liar ‘supporting’ another professional liar…
Haven’t we had enough zombie fighting video games? pic.twitter.com/6804Bfz7Dr
— Sean Herrala (@seanherrala) October 6, 2023
BREAKING:
Sexual Assault Enabler Trumps White Supremacist https://t.co/WM6pinPFD3— Charles Gaba isn’t paying for this account. (@charles_gaba) October 6, 2023
thinly veiled blackmail threat against Jordan about the abused wrestlers? eg Trump owns Jordan https://t.co/Z5nkJrGrsZ
— Laura Rozen (@lrozen) October 6, 2023
This seems like good news for people hoping for GOP unity! https://t.co/S2xnDsf6gY
— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) October 6, 2023
Clinton on Jordan: Well, I don’t know him well. I watched him. And stared at him for 11 hours while he made stuff up about me. pic.twitter.com/e6Uk6ZY3Dv
— Acyn (@Acyn) October 6, 2023
Given the House GOP’s increasingly anti-Ukraine/pro-Russia line you can’t rule out Vladimir Putin as the next Speaker. Doesn’t have to be a member of the House. And frankly doesn’t say totally clearly in the text that it even has to be an American.
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) October 5, 2023
OzarkHillbilly
What did I miss yesterday? Anything exciting?
Baud
Oh, sure, foist your responsibility onto the majority party. How undemocratic.
Baud
@OzarkHillbilly: Same old, same old.
Dorothy A. Winsor
Re-upping from previous thread, for what it’s worth:
Yesterday, the Pod Save America guys interviewed Cassidy Hutchison. At the end, they asked her to comment on the speaker’s race since she’d worked with these people, including having interned for Steve Scalise. She said Jordan was dishonest and would be a bad pick.
OzarkHillbilly
So… A rapist backs a sexual predator’s enabler*. This is too good to be true, the headlines write themselves.
*as far as we know, that’s all he was.
emmyelle
I like how he says “we can’t continue to govern…”, like, you know, as if they are actually governing.
Nukular Biskits
Good mornin’, y’all!
hueyplong
One way to look at it is that Trump can turn on Jordan over the multiple rapes enabling (likely still dimly if at all perceived in the bubble) while the (kkk) skeleton in Scalise’s closet is a source of pride in GOP circles and therefore not something Trump can use to enforce squirm-inducing obeisance.
So it’s a no-brainer for a born predator.
Betty Cracker
Trump told Fox News he’d take a temp Speaker gig while Repubs sort out their shit:
This was several hours before he endorsed Jordan.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Betty Cracker: Maybe someone told him part of the speaker’s job was to raise money for other Rs.
lowtechcyclist
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
The question is, who among them is honest and would have been a good pick?
I’m racking my brains and coming up empty.
Eunicecycle
@OzarkHillbilly: Trump giving away part of the Triad? No biggie.
Mr. Bemused Senior
@Dorothy A. Winsor: raise money for other RS?? Well maybe if he gets a cut. 90% seems fair, doesn’t it?
[I see I’m not alone with this idea 😁]
hueyplong
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Pretty sure he’d raise the money and keep it, based on what we’ve seen each day for seven years or so. A little something, you know, for the effort.
Josie
Leave it to the Republicans to make Scalise look good (compare him to Trump and Jordan).
dmsilev
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Yeah, but couldn’t he manage to …divert a fair sized fraction(*) to his own pockets?
(*) in his mind, “fair” would be 99.9%
Percysowner
Hillary Clinton obviously has no Effs left to give.
Mr. Bemused Senior
@dmsilev: oh, the physicist insists on a more accurate figure.
I’m just a humble Engineer.
Eunicecycle
@Percysowner: I still love her so much. But her emails, you know…
Dorothy A. Winsor
I used to teach in an engineering school. Also, I am married to one and gave birth to one. As far as I can tell, there is no such thing as a humble engineer.
H.E.Wolf
http://Electoral-Vote.com has a good write-up in their daily blog on Jordan’s chances (vs. Scalise’s) for the Speakership.
It’s titled “The Punk and the Godfather”.
https://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2023/Items/Oct06-1.html
OzarkHillbilly
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Took the words right out of my mouth.
Mr. Bemused Senior
@Dorothy A. Winsor: touché
bbleh
Well, given the jobs report, a few weeks of shutdown might even be good.
My question now is, how’s the MSM gonna handle it? Are they gonna stick with the “ungovernable Republicans” narrative, or are they gonna move on (or back) to the “why won’t the White House meet them halfway?” whine.
And given how much attention normies pay to politics during the holidays (approximately none, or for dmsilev 𝛆 ), how long is it gonna go on? The MAGAts aren’t gonna come back to the dinner table until they’ve had a good long sulk …
Jeffery
Vlad will not be happy if one of his puppets isn’t installed.
Betty Cracker
Politico explains Trump’s decision to endorse Jordan with a TRUE “Sir” story:
Nehls gives sycophancy a bad name! But it’s interesting that Trump supporters in the GOP don’t think their colleagues would fall in line behind the shitgibbon.
OzarkHillbilly
From Dead lawns, dry wells: Texas drought persists after summer heat dome, comes this little tidbit:
Welcome to our new normal
New Deal democrat
Again to summarize:
1. There is no majority support for a single-Member Motion to Vacate.
2. But to do away with that, GOPers will need Democratic votes.
3. Meaning Democrats have leverage in establishing the House Rules, regardless of who is ultimately chosen as speaker.
H.E.Wolf
@H.E.Wolf:
Wow, the rest of today’s E-V blog post is pretty good too. It’ll be on their front page until tomorrow’s entry.
https://electoral-vote.com/
bbleh
@OzarkHillbilly: oh come on, Dr Zong-Liang Yang? Obviously just another agent of the Chinese Climate Hoax
@New Deal democrat: I dunno. Making deals with Demon-crats is anathema. It’s what brought Qevin down. And it’s gonna be even more so with Jimmy J. in the chair. Even if 95% of the Republicans want it gone, if any of the other 5% are likely to squeal “compromise! treason!,” they’ll suck it up and live with it.
Warblewarble
Jordan as speaker is like giving the proud boys control over legislation in Congress.
waspuppet
It’s “funny” (rhetorically) how Trump insists he’s far too busy to be put on trial for the crimes he’s admitted to on TV, but he could drop in and be Speaker of the House for a while.
And for every “journalist” who thinks the Democrats should have propped McCarthy up:
WHAT
DID
HE
OFFER
THEM
?
FFS
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
Dan Crenshaw. Maybe. I see him in hearings once in a while and he, at a minimum, seems professional and not embedded deep in the Republican crazy cycle.
But he’s relatively new and doesn’t seem to draw a lot of attention.
Warblewarble
tRUMP enabler Jordan as Speaker would be like giving the proud boys control over legislation in the House.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
I like that logic.
I like this approach.
Is this what winning feels like?
Eunicecycle
@Dorothy A. Winsor: It’s funny. I birthed a male and a female engineer. The female is pretty humble about it.
Matt McIrvin
Why were Democrats the villains here because they were supposed to have voted for the Republicans’ guy, instead of some Republicans voting for our guy? If Democrats were supposed to vote for McCarthy, why not Republicans voting for Jeffries? Because they’re the majority? But a majority who can’t vote together isn’t even a majority.
It’d probably take fewer people voting for the other party to elect Jeffries. But nobody can imagine it, because it’s accepted that they’d never do that. We’re just supposed to be the ones who fold without even being asked.
kalakal
@Dorothy A. Winsor: As an ex Chemical and then software engineer I take great pride in my humility
Eunicecycle
@waspuppet: that’s because he really doesn’t know what the job entails. Just like he thought the job of president was to be the boss of everyone and make speeches. You just tell people what you want done and they do it. Remember when he said he could be President and still run his companies? Being President was just going to be part-time.
Baud
@Matt McIrvin: You are asking exactly the right questions.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
He spent 90 percent of his presidency on the golf course or in front of the TV and that was far too little. We would have been better off if he did nothing.
Scout211
CNN has a new article posted this morning about the pressure now on Senator Butler to make a decision on whether she wants to run for the Senate seat she now holds. TL;DR: No one knows yet what she will decide, but everyone is interested and most have opinions.
lowtechcyclist
@Eunicecycle:
My father was a chemical engineer, and my older sister was a civil engineer. (Well, she was civil most of the time. ;-)
I don’t recall a lot of humility in either one.
Righteous Hazard
LOL McClintock.
Friends and I made a calls to his office this week just to point out that people in his district don’t take kindly to being governed by assclowns.
Today I think it is time for calls to point out that if Ukraine support isn’t a top priority, being governed by assclowns who are weak on national security is an intolerable situation for his constituents.
bbleh
@Matt McIrvin: aw all this “Dems shoulda saved McQarthy!” nonsense is ridiculous. I’ve said this elsewhere, but consider if, say, AOC and “the Squad” had made a MTV when Nancy Pelosi was Speaker and had a majority of, what, 4 votes? Would Republicans have done “the responsible thing” and voted to keep her in? Hell no! They’d have whistled and stomped and jeered and thrown a party!
This “Dems have to be responsible and clean up Republicans’ messes” thing is bordering on abuser “logic.”
Immanentize
I remember, when the McCarthy vote-a-thon was going on that Hakeem J. gave gun violence victim Scalise a big public wet kiss saying that they had a good relationship and that Scalise was honest and nice to work with (not a transcript).
I wondered at the time if that was clever poison delivery. I wonder how much that set off the crazies who, like elephants in tales, have long memories….
Right up there with, “don’t you think she look tired?”
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
Don’t sugar-coat it. This is abuser logic, as is most unsolicited advice and criticism the media provides Democrats. Even when it seems innocuous or even positive.
Ken
@bbleh: In the alternate universe where the Democrats did decide to save McCarthy, I hope they did it by having AOC, Ilhan Omar, and other “squad” members provide the five or six votes needed. Just to squeeze a little lemon juice on the paper cut.
frosty
@Scout211: I’m looking at that list and thinking that it’s too damn much work in too little time. But then, I’m retired and I have Maynard G. Krebs’s opinion on it (0:20)
Work!
Chief Oshkosh
@Eunicecycle:
You mean your son is proud of being birthed by you, but not your daughter?
;)
Scout211
Thank you for your service, Righteous Hazard.
We need more Democrats to be loud here in McClintock’s district. The idiot has been in the news this past week more often than in all of his years he has previously served in the House. Too many years . . .
Eunicecycle
@Chief Oshkosh: okay, that was not artfully worded! She is more humble about BEING AN ENGINEER than he is.
lowtechcyclist
@Scout211:
Good grief, it’s only been a few days since she found out she’d be in this position! (And it wasn’t like she could have seen it coming.) She obviously doesn’t have unlimited time to make this decision, but it’s not the sort of choice one can make that fast. People should back off for another week or so, anyway.
catclub
@bbleh:
I think the GOP would like to balance getting the blame for a shutdown versus the election year effects of a worse economy due to a shutdown. The president will get blamed for a bad economy in 2024, no matter who causes it.
Kristine
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation:
Well now, the MSM knuckled under to it ages ago and look how well they’re doing. Can’t be all bad now, can it? /s
aka Misery loves company
lowtechcyclist
@Ken:
And in that alternate universe, s_c would be reminding us of this for years.
OzarkHillbilly
@bbleh: Isn’t he from Wuhan? I’ll bet his finger prints are all over the covid.
Frankensteinbeck
You’re a smart man, Jeffries, but Republicans have a third option. They can run around in circles waving their arms over their heads and shouting, “WOO WOO WOO WOO!” My best guess is that we’ll see a lot of that until they get tired. I’m still putting “Maybe all we need is an acting Speaker,” as a serious possibility, especially if the votes get embarrassing.
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation:
God damn right. The pervasiveness of abuser logic in the national press is horrifying, and not just in advice they give Democrats.
In Republicans, abuser logic is foundational.
Betty Cracker
@Immanentize:
LOL! Sort of on topic, in the squishable thread below this one, commenter Fake Irishman made a great point about (paraphrasing) Jordan being a performance artist during his tenure while Scalise was doing the coalition-building, horse-trading scutwork behind the scenes as a whip and majority leader. We’ll soon see if that sort of thing can still matter at the margins or if the Trump circus is the only show in town.
JoyceH
@Eunicecycle: Trump has no notion on earth what the nuclear triad is. Seriously. On some occasion an interviewer asked him a question about the triad and he want on this vague ramble about the importance of The Nuclear, making it pretty clear he totally didn’t understand the question.
Ken
@Betty Cracker: That raises the interesting question, who will take over as whip and majority leader if Scalise becomes Speaker? And the related question, who will take over those positions if Jordan becomes Speaker, and pushes out Scalise?
Suzanne
@OzarkHillbilly:
On my Book of Faces page, I saw that, six years ago, I had posted Artemisia Gentileschi’s Judith and her Maidservant, which depicts them shoving Holofernes’ head into a bag. I reshared it today, as it seemed relevant, again.
Mr. Bemused Senior
jonas
Over at TPM, they have a great read this morning about where that $500,000 George Santos loaned his campaign came from: his ass. As in, nowhere. He (and his campaign treasurer) made it up — apparently in order to fool the RNCC into giving him more money.
If this guy’s dishonesty and fraud get any worse…he could end up being Republican presidential material.
OzarkHillbilly
It was a part time job for him.
Leto
@waspuppet: Morning Blow was saying this shit this morning, basically for the “good of the House”. No, you stupid fuckstick. Democrats have no responsibility to save Republicans from their decades long poor choices. And MuhKevin had nothing to offer as he was a known liar, backstabber, and shitstain. There was nothing he COULD offer.
UncleEbeneezer
@Eunicecycle: I coach kids tennis. It’s amazing the difference between how boys act when they win vs. how girls do, even as early as 4 years old but especially once they are 8-10 years old. The gendered differences are really notable. Boys are already bragging, taunting everyone else and patting themselves on the back etc. Girls cheer themselves but are way less aggressive about it and imo, much better winners. And boy (pun intended) when it comes to losing…I’ve never had to tell a girl (not once in 7+ years) not to throw/smash her racket, whereas I have to do that all the time for boys.
jonas
@JoyceH: I think it was Fran Liebowitz who observed “Trust me. You don’t know anyone as stupid as Donald Trump.” His entire presidency and after, it was clear that various advisers and briefers would tell him things and then he would try to bandy about certain terms with reporters to act like he knew what he was doing, but obviously didn’t have a clue. That’s how we got his brilliant discourse on how Covid could be cured by injecting bleach and somehow inserting ultraviolet lights in your body.
It was like listening to someone blind from birth and from a non-Commonwealth country, trying to call a cricket match.
OzarkHillbilly
We have Arkansas for that.
lowtechcyclist
@catclub:
How much effect did the shutdowns of 2013 and 2018-19 have on the economy? I know they didn’t help, but in neither case did they seem to bring it down all that much.
Kristine
@OzarkHillbilly:
I am so sorry.
Frankensteinbeck
I had a thought. Bear with me, sometimes they happen. McCarthy dared Gaetz, with profanity, to evict him. McCarthy has declared he won’t run again. Despite how desperate as he was to get the job, maybe McCarthy did get sick of it after all. So, being a dishonest prick, he shit on absolutely everyone on the way out.
OzarkHillbilly
@Suzanne: History may not repeat itself but it sure does rhyme.
Scout211
So far, Emmer has announced for majority leader.
Suzanne
@OzarkHillbilly: Also…. that painting is fucking fantastic. Arguably one of the best ever done. It’s in Detroit. Might be worth a visit for me.
HumboldtBlue
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation:
Snort, he’s only a half-step from outright bugfuck crazy GOPer, don’t let his past service fool you, he’s a shitbag through and through.
@Scout211:
Outside of California political insiders and major players, no one knows who she is and a run, in my opinion, would be a waste of time. Six months as a caretaker in a Senate seat isn’t going to be enough to raise her profile above three far more well-known candidates.
OzarkHillbilly
@Suzanne: Yeah, I googled it. Definitely worth a visit.
SteveinPHX
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
Having worked with engineers most of my working career, I can agree! I was an humble English major.
RaflW
Huge employment news today — Total nonfarm payroll employment rose by 336,000 in September, double expectations, and the prior two months got revised upwards.
So the Dow took a nosedive in early trading. “Wall St eyes steep losses at open after jobs data” -Reuters
Yeah, investors, nothing says “bad news” quite like people finding jobs and earning a living!! The incentives in predatory capitalism are f**kd.
RaflW
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation: My would-be step-mom (dad didn’t ever tie the knot that second time) lives in Crenshaw’s district. He’s a hardliner, but yeah maybe not eyes-bulging full loon.
But that is an extremely safe (and gerrymandered, of course) district. Ted Poe was in the seat previously, and while more of a doorstop than an activist, was also very conservative.
Ken
Though of course not in the same class as William Blake’s The Ancient of Days, which correctly depicts God as an engineer
(Some say architect, but we engineers know better.)
Baud
@RaflW:
We’ve gone from “It’s the economy, stupid” to “The economy is great but those people being in charge gives me anxiety that I will express as economic in nature.”
Jinchi
Stocks fall on good news again.
Baud
@Ken:
Where’s his slide rule?
bbleh
@lowtechcyclist:
The 2013 shutdown was two-weeks-plus, and 2018-19 was about double that.
The issue I’ve seen discussed is whether or not Teh Economee is already poised for a recession today, in which case a shutdown might be a “tipping point.” Some point out the recent slowdown in growth, but others say that’s actually not a bad thing (“soft landing”) and point out all the other comparatively healthy measures (employment, income).
About all I can figure is, it probably wouldn’t be an immediate problem, it probably would ease the jitters at the Fed in the near term, and if it were short enough any loss likely would be made up quickly as in past shutdowns. But if the MAGAts dig in their heels, and then everybody goes home for the holidays, and it stretches out 2 months or more, I’d say we got a problem going into ’24, which would mean Joe has one too.
@RaflW: this also, too.
Nukular Biskits
@OzarkHillbilly:
Mississippi says, “Hold my beer!”
Righteous Hazard
@Scout211: I don’t think that anything short of a complete collapsed of the GOP will be sufficient to remove McClintock. He’s a very professional politician in a R+(infinity) district.
But he is a McCarthy wingman, and that makes him weak in both appearance and fact. If he appears weak on national security, things can go south for him in a hurry.
Another Scott
Looks like lrozen deleted the “owns” tweet. https://nitter.net/lrozen
FWIW.
Cheers,
Scott.
OzarkHillbilly
@Nukular Biskits: You misspelled mah.
Nukular Biskits
@OzarkHillbilly:
Don’t you mean “muh”?
Mr. Bemused Senior
@Nukular Biskits: eh?
jonas
@Jinchi: Strong jobs report = Fed keeps interest rates high = corporations haz a sad = stockmarket haz a sad.
HumboldtBlue
@Mr. Bemused Senior:
Huh?
OzarkHillbilly
@Nukular Biskits: It depends on where in the south you come from. If you are from one of the states along or west of the Mississippi, it’s “mah”. Appalachian states say “muh”. Tennessee and Kentucky are just cornfused.
(a play on the old MissourEE or MissouRUH joke/observation)
OzarkHillbilly
@Mr. Bemused Senior: Dawg damned Canadian…
Nukular Biskits
@OzarkHillbilly:
Well, to be more correct regarding MS, it’s usually something like this:
“BUBBA! Hold muh damned beer for a second and don’t drink it!”
OzarkHillbilly
@Nukular Biskits: The reply is always, “Already done drunk it.”
Scout211
I agree. She has a monumental task to raise her profile with voters if she chooses to run. From the linked CNN article:
Geminid
@HumboldtBlue: Crenshaw is also regarded as a Ukraine hawk, at least for a Republican, and would be unacceptable to anti-Ukraine elements in his caucus.
Ukraine has become a wedge issue for Republicans, and this could fuel primary challenges next year.
Nukular Biskits
@OzarkHillbilly:
LOL! You know your rednecks well, sir!
Know Your Meme – He’s Speaking the Language of the Gods
Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony
Look, I know lots of people were worried that by not backing Kevin, the Dems had empowered Gaetz. Here’s the thing.. Kevin kept running to and bending over backwards for the far right because he wasn’t afraid of the Dems. He figured he could lie and betray the Dems with impunity, because they’d back him out of fear of someone worse. The members of the house who are pretending to be more extreme than they are may be furiously angry that the Dems didn’t save McCarthy (and by extension them), but they’ve learned they can’t be taken for granted. If they want something, they are going to have to give something. Vague threats aren’t going to be enough anymore.
Frankensteinbeck
@Geminid:
I’m not sure about that. My loose impression is that hardly any of the voters, even the crazy primary voting base, really care about Ukraine no matter what their opinion is. Not like the corrupt elected performance artists do. If it’s relevant at all, I think it will be one part of ‘the crazier and more extreme you are, the better your odds in a Republican primary.’
RSA
One of my friends (undergrad degree in electrical engineering), tells me he’s the most modest person he knows. “I’ve won awards for my modesty!” he’ll say.
Eunicecycle
@UncleEbeneezer: my daughter had to learn to be tough because she was in charge of making sure environmental regs were followed at construction sites and she was given a hard time at times. But she did learn!
rikyrah
For Banned books week…
These books are medicinal😂😂😂
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZPR7PLF18/
Shalimar
Trump being “all-in” Jordan seems like a poor choice of words to describe an adjudicated rapist’s endorsement.
Soprano2
@Dorothy A. Winsor: I work with a bunch of them. Occasionally there is one who understands that they know a lot about engineering, but not a lot about other things, but that’s the exception. LOL
Betty Cracker
@Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony: Great point.
Soprano2
@waspuppet: Can you imagine anyone in the press saying that Republicans should help out Democrats if the situation were reversed?
OzarkHillbilly
@Nukular Biskits:
Thet maht b behcuss Ah is one.
But I still can’t understand a word of whatever the fuck they speak in the mountains. I once sat in a NE Alabama tarpaper shack for a half hour and 2 beers trying to get directions to a pit that we wanted to drop. I never did catch a single word he uttered. The fruitless 2 hour search we made for it after told me nobody else did either.
Geminid
@Frankensteinbeck: You are right that voters typically do not care much about matters in foreign countries (unless Americans are being killed or held hostage in large numbers).
Ukraine has become a loaded symbol to many “populist,” anti-establishment Republicans though, and I think the issue will be raised next year by Republican primary challengers. Maybe not successfully, but there the course of that war over the next months will play a big part.
catclub
@Jinchi: and already back up again.
Nukular Biskits
@OzarkHillbilly:
It never ceases to amaze me to hear my own voice on a recording or video. My Southern drawl, or what I call “hicknissety”, is very pronounced. And, whenever I would visit with friends/family back in BFE, MS, I’d also come back worse for a few days.
Interestingly enough, earlier in my career, most folks could still understand me (probably that college ed-you-mah-kay-shun) with the exception of first-generation Asian-Americans. They had a very difficult time parsing my words.
catclub
@Geminid:
The best way we avoid sending our own troops to the Ukraine war is massively supplying Ukraine so they can fight and win. I think the US people pretty much agree. Except Trump and russiaphiles like Tucker Carlson.
Matt McIrvin
@bbleh:
And it’s also relevant to note that the Squad didn’t do that because we’re not a bunch of fools. (I also think it may not have been possible under House rules at the time? because we’re not a bunch of fools?)
Eolirin
@Geminid: I think there’s more concern about being anti-Russia and pro-democracy than there is directly about Ukrainians, except to the Ukrainian Americans, and maybe other Eastern European descended groups.
But the strength of that sentiment definitely wains over time as the situation loses its novelty and people tune out.
This is as much a media failing as anything else though. A large part of the population is pretty strongly anti-genocide, especially of white people and are pretty incensed by the targeted murder of children or systematic rape of young girls, but it needs to be in their faces for them to notice enough for those sentiments to rise to the surface.
Matt McIrvin
@Nukular Biskits: I always hear this super-hard Midwestern accent when I listen to my own voice, and I kind of hate it. I’ve been told by Northeastern prep-school kids that I talk exactly like all the Minnesotan characters in Fargo, though I’ve never even been to Minnesota and have lived most of my life on the East Coast (it’s because I spent my accent-formative toddler years in the Kansas City and Cleveland metro areas, with Midwestern parents–I suspect my accent is really more Cleveland than anything else).
RaflW
Melanie Zanona
@MZanona
NEW: Multiple House Republicans tell me they’re infuriated by the decision for speaker candidates to participate in a televised debate w/ Fox News Host Bret Baier from the Capitol on Monday, & several of them have already communicated those frustrations to the speaker candidates.
hueyplong
@RaflW: Republicans are always described as “infuriated,” “livid,” etc.
Geminid
@RaflW: I’d be mad too. House Republicans need to confine this fight to their caucus as much as possible. Right now, not that many people actually care who the Speaker is. Republican are better off making the sausage behind closed doors, not on national TV.
Brit in Chicago
@jonas: I think it’s not so much corporations have a sad as the fact that if you can get good yields on bonds you’re less likely to buy stocks. They’re both competing to be the most attractive place for investors to put their $$, and if yields go up stocks are less attractive. It’s not rocket science.
Paul in KY
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Ha ha!!!
Paul in KY
@kalakal: I’m ever so umble…
kalakal
@Paul in KY: Nobody is as umble as me!
RaflW
@hueyplong: Apparently this time it had an effect. The Fox fracas has been cancelled.
Ruckus
@JoyceH:
SFB does not understand any question that is not directly related to him. And most of the ones that are…..
SFB is an extremely self-centered asshole who stinks but thinks it’s everyone else but HIM that stinks. He has mistaken the smell of his own _ _ _ _.