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You are here: Home / Politics / National Security / Thursday Night Open Thread: Today’s Teacup Tempest, Courtesy of Special Counsel Robert Hur

Thursday Night Open Thread: Today’s Teacup Tempest, Courtesy of Special Counsel Robert Hur

by Anne Laurie|  February 8, 20248:16 pm| 50 Comments

This post is in: National Security, Open Threads, Republican Venality, Our Failed Media Experiment

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Hur did his version of Comey's "I have no case but need to slap 'em around a little" routine

as for Biden's mental fitness, I talked to him one-on-one at the White House 10 days before Hur did

here's the video; judge for yourselfhttps://t.co/uZHiWLjCo6

— John Harwood (@JohnJHarwood) February 8, 2024

Remember how some (outdated, unimportant) TOP SECRET papers turned up during a search of President Biden’s property, at the same time the FBI was toting box after box of highly sensitive material out of Mar-A-Lago? (Don’t worry, very few people *did* remember.) Well, after a thorough investigation, the Republican special counsel in charge of weighing Biden’s culpability decided he couldn’t make a case that wouldn’t be thrown out of court… but that didn’t stop Hur from trying a little Comey-dance for the compliant media.

Per NBC, “Biden won’t be charged in classified docs case; special counsel cites instances of ‘poor memory’”:

Special counsel Robert Hur has declined to prosecute President Joe Biden for his handling of classified documents but said in a report released Thursday that Biden’s practices “present serious risks to national security” and added that part of the reason he wouldn’t charge Biden was that the president could portray himself as an “elderly man with a poor memory” who would be sympathetic to a jury.

“Our investigation uncovered evidence that President Biden willfully retained and disclosed classified materials after his vice presidency when he was a private citizen,” the report said, but added that the evidence “does not establish Mr. Biden’s guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.”

The report from Hur — who previously appointed by former President Donald Trump as one of the country’s top federal prosecutors — also made clear the “material distinctions” between a theoretical case against Biden and the pending case against Trump for his handling of classified documents, noting the “serious aggravating facts” in Trump’s case.

Biden said in a statement after the report became public that he was “pleased to see they reached the conclusion I believed all along they would reach — that there would be no charges brought in this case and the matter is now closed,” adding that he “cooperated completely, threw up no roadblocks, and sought no delays.”…

Andrew Weissman, who served on special counsel Robert Mueller’s team, said on MSNBC on Thursday that Hur’s decision to lodge criticisms of Biden’s memory problems was “gratuitous” and reminded him of when former FBI Director James Comey held a press conference criticizing Hillary Clinton in the months before the 2016 election.

“This is not being charged. And yet a person goes out and gives their opinion with adjectives and adverbs about what they think, entirely inappropriate,” he said. “I think a really fair criticism of this is unfortunately, we’re seeing a redux of what we saw with respect to James Comey at the FBI with respect to Hillary Clinton in terms of really not adhering to what I think are the highest ideals of the Department of Justice.”…

The announcement tops off a lengthy saga that began in November 2022, after one of Biden’s personal attorneys found classified documents that appeared to be from the Obama administration at the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement, which Biden had used as a personal office after his vice presidential term concluded. Classified documents were later also found at Biden’s Delaware home.

With Hur’s announcement, Donald Trump remains the only president in history to face criminal charges, which include seven criminal charges in connection with mishandling classified documents found at Mar-a-Lago. According to the indictment in that case, Trump had more than 100 classified documents at his Florida home, including documents with “Top Secret” classification markings.

Rep. Raskin: Republican counsel Hur took some gratuitous slaps at Joe Biden because of his age. A lot of these age-insulting remarks are getting tiresome. All we need from a special prosecutor is to decide whether there were any legal grounds to move forward, he said there’s not pic.twitter.com/7RINpsjqwC

— Biden-Harris HQ (@BidenHQ) February 9, 2024

HE IS HYPOTHESIZING ABOUT A LEGAL DEFENSE STRATEGY pic.twitter.com/8Av86XpclM

— Aaron Fritschner (@Fritschner) February 8, 2024

Seung knows. She 100% knows. 100% ratfucker. https://t.co/9JYan9bbfK

— Julian Mostaphilippe (@ilpomodoro2) February 8, 2024

Robert Hur's interviews with Biden were on October 8th and October 9th…days if not hours after the October 7th Hamas attack. If he seemed distracted, there is a pretty good reason why that doesn't require Hur to speculate on what conclusion a fictitious jury might have.

— Tommy Vietor (@TVietor08) February 8, 2024

I see these guys are taking a Republican lawyer who couldn't find anything to charge and wanted to get some jabs in, at his word. pic.twitter.com/B72Am4k6Xe

— vocational politics appreciation account (@Convolutedname) February 8, 2024

Letter from Sauber and Bauer to Hur: "We do not believe that the report's treatment of President Biden's memory is accurate or appropriate. The report uses highly prejudicial language to describe a commonplace occurrence among witnesses: a lack ofrecall of years-old events." pic.twitter.com/H5VtckC5ux

— Andrew Bates (@AndrewJBates46) February 8, 2024

The most ironic bit here is that as diminished as his political instincts are Trump immediately was able to identify:
1. What was actually alleged in the report: "Biden presenting himself.."
2. The actual important thing: the documents issue is gone for Biden, cleared. https://t.co/IGUVYwQGqR

— vocational politics appreciation account (@Convolutedname) February 8, 2024

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50Comments

  1. 1.

    Alison Rose

    February 8, 2024 at 8:19 pm

    Fuck a report. I’m ridin’ with Biden.

  2. 2.

    Al Rennick

    February 8, 2024 at 8:24 pm

    Robert Hur performed a valuable public service for the country. Biden and Trump are both mentally unfit to serve as President.

  3. 3.

    Baud

    February 8, 2024 at 8:24 pm

    Reposting from downstairs

    Maybe we should consider rebooting the “Chill the fuck out, I’ve got this” posters from 2008.

    Also, I think the Senate passed the supplemental without the border stuff.

  4. 4.

    Baud

    February 8, 2024 at 8:24 pm

    Everyone feel free to ignore the troll.

  5. 5.

    Elizabelle

    February 8, 2024 at 8:27 pm

    C-Span link to President Biden re the Special Counsel’s report, and Q&A after.

  6. 6.

    Scout211

    February 8, 2024 at 8:27 pm

    I have to say that I am relieved that this no-charge decision with a hefty dose of personal smears was released nine months before the election and not nine days before.

  7. 7.

    Jay

    February 8, 2024 at 8:27 pm

    DOJ needs a serious housecleaning, top to bottom,

    Ditto the FBI, Homeland, etc.

  8. 8.

    MagdaInBlack

    February 8, 2024 at 8:28 pm

    @Baud: I’ve had a lot of pie and cupcakes here today, so I’ll take your advice and have some more 😉

  9. 9.

    Phylllis

    February 8, 2024 at 8:28 pm

    @Scout211: And on Friday of Super Bowl weekend.

  10. 10.

    Jay

    February 8, 2024 at 8:29 pm

    @Baud:

    Troll done be gone. RFK Jr, Fucker Failson and Putin weep,

  11. 11.

    Ben Cisco

    February 8, 2024 at 8:29 pm

    @Alison Rose: Also, the DC Press Corpse can get fucked too.

  12. 12.

    different-church-lady

    February 8, 2024 at 8:29 pm

    I especially like the part where they just admit they’re not going to charge him because the jury will never believe he’s a criminal.

  13. 13.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    February 8, 2024 at 8:29 pm

    Biden is good at politics.

  14. 14.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    February 8, 2024 at 8:30 pm

    @different-church-lady: It’s a fair point too!

  15. 15.

    Alison Rose

    February 8, 2024 at 8:32 pm

    @Baud: Looks like we don’t have to.

  16. 16.

    Baud

    February 8, 2024 at 8:32 pm

    @Jay:

    @Alison Rose:

    Good.

  17. 17.

    Baud

    February 8, 2024 at 8:33 pm

    I’m pleased Biden didn’t waste any time responding.

  18. 18.

    different-church-lady

    February 8, 2024 at 8:33 pm

    I always show up too late for the trolls.

  19. 19.

    different-church-lady

    February 8, 2024 at 8:33 pm

    @Baud: “HE DOESN’T EVEN REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS ALL ABOUT!”

  20. 20.

    BretH

    February 8, 2024 at 8:34 pm

    @Jay: And the Secret Service.

  21. 21.

    Elizabelle

    February 8, 2024 at 8:35 pm

    Watching the C-Span clip.  I hate the fucking press corpse.  I wish they were on camera, so we could identify these ratfuckers.

    They are screaming.

  22. 22.

    Ben Cisco

    February 8, 2024 at 8:36 pm

    @Alison Rose: YEET

  23. 23.

    Quinerly

    February 8, 2024 at 8:37 pm

    Great pro Biden piece by Stuart Stevens

    https://newrepublic.com/article/178435/biden-great-president-say-it-democrats

  24. 24.

    Geminid

    February 8, 2024 at 8:39 pm

    I read a couple excerpts from Hur’s report and it was like they had been lifted from some op-ed piece. It’s the kind of stuff Mark Thiessen writes for the Washington Post. This guy Hur must think he’s a very special Special Prosecutor.

  25. 25.

    different-church-lady

    February 8, 2024 at 8:40 pm

    @Quinerly:

    DEMOCRATS: “Don’t tell me what to do!”

    ALSO DEMOCRATS: “I can’t believe Trump might be president again!”

  26. 26.

    Baud

    February 8, 2024 at 8:41 pm

    @Geminid: Horrible people. Unprofessional.

     

     

    @different-church-lady: I know, right?

  27. 27.

    Elizabelle

    February 8, 2024 at 8:47 pm

    The press sounded like howler monkeys.  One young-sounding man asked a respectful question, someone else asked about Gaza.

    Otherwise, howler monkeys.  Our zombified press corpse.

    Biden looked like he was undergoing an ordeal by fire.

  28. 28.

    Quinerly

    February 8, 2024 at 8:49 pm

    @different-church-lady:

    Yep.

  29. 29.

    oldgold

    February 8, 2024 at 8:49 pm

    Hur’s report is outrageous. The most outrageous part being his accusation that Biden’s memory was so bad thar he did not remember when his son Beau died.

    Only a very bad human being goes there.

  30. 30.

    wjca

    February 8, 2024 at 8:51 pm

    I love that Trump is insisting that Biden isn’t feeble minded at all.  In order to claim that Hur got played and gave Biden a pass.  But still….

  31. 31.

    Baud

    February 8, 2024 at 8:52 pm

    @oldgold:

    Evil.

  32. 32.

    Baud

    February 8, 2024 at 8:53 pm

    By the way, I’ve never heard of a criminal avoiding prosecution because he has a bad memory.  The whole thing reeks.

  33. 33.

    topclimber

    February 8, 2024 at 8:55 pm

    So the gist is that Biden can’t be charged while President because of DOJ policy and that reasonable doubt will exist in charging him as a civilian because by then Biden can plead bad memory and get sympathetic treatment from a jury TWO TO SIX years from now.

    Summary version: WTF?

  34. 34.

    japa21

    February 8, 2024 at 8:55 pm

    @oldgold: I can’t remember when my Mom died, and the only reason I remember when my Dad died (month only) is that my son was 6 months old.

  35. 35.

    anon

    February 8, 2024 at 8:55 pm

    @Phylllis: today is Thursday

  36. 36.

    wjca

    February 8, 2024 at 8:58 pm

    @anon: today is Thursday

    At this point it’s Friday in most of the world.

  37. 37.

    delphinium

    February 8, 2024 at 8:59 pm

    @Elizabelle: Right? They don’t even rise to the level of disgraceful. Just utterly unhinged and unprofessional.

  38. 38.

    The Dark Avenger

    February 8, 2024 at 9:00 pm

    Joe Biden can find the papers better if you’d just shut up for a couple of minutes.

  39. 39.

    columbusqueen

    February 8, 2024 at 9:07 pm

    @Alison Rose: Me too. May the Republicans burn in hell, it’s what they deserve.

  40. 40.

    EarthWindFire

    February 8, 2024 at 9:10 pm

    @Alison Rose: This. I mean, Republican special counsel equals ratfucker was well established with Ken Starr. Riding with Biden and fuck this guy.

  41. 41.

    Hildebrand

    February 8, 2024 at 9:11 pm

    I wonder if this report is so egregiously slanted that folks will look at it, if they do at all, and say, ‘yeah, well, clearly that guy is writing an op-ed’.

  42. 42.

    Elizabelle

    February 8, 2024 at 9:20 pm

    @Hildebrand:  That could happen.

    I hope President Biden gets as much rest as he can in the coming days, and that he avoids the fucking DC press corpse en masse.  Maybe gives an interview, when he wants to, to a professional journalist.

    My god, the people in that room sounded awful.  Lots of female voices among the howler monkeys.   So ashamed of them.

  43. 43.

    different-church-lady

    February 8, 2024 at 9:25 pm

    REPORTER SHOUTING: “Mr. President! What about these reports you can’t remember anything?”
    BIDEN: “Who the fuck are you again?”

  44. 44.

    delphinium

    February 8, 2024 at 9:26 pm

    @different-church-lady: LOL! Would love if he had said that.

  45. 45.

    sanjeevs

    February 8, 2024 at 9:48 pm

    @delphinium: His actual response was even better

    Fox reporter: How bad is your memory?

    President Biden: My memory is so bad I let you speak

    Biden-Harris HQ on X: “Fox reporter: How bad is your memory? President Biden: My memory is so bad I let you speak https://t.co/3kBVW6OEh5” / X (twitter.com)

  46. 46.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    February 8, 2024 at 9:58 pm

    @sanjeevs: ahaha, how can you not love Biden with replies like that? lol

  47. 47.

    topclimber

    February 8, 2024 at 10:09 pm

    @topclimber: Old man who has been going downhill from his top forgot to add an important detail: even without DOJ policy, Hur would not charge Biden.

  48. 48.

    El Muneco

    February 8, 2024 at 10:32 pm

    @japa21: I only remember the month my Dad died because he started declining immediately after 9/11. I don’t remember what year my mom died without thinking carefully, and _that was in the 2010s_.

  49. 49.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    February 9, 2024 at 12:07 am

    @anon: Not down under, mate

     

    Its already yesterday in Melbourne.

  50. 50.

    FunWWords

    February 9, 2024 at 12:35 am

    @Alison Rose:

    i thought “I don’t recall” was like basic GFY do Ur own investigation/ not volunteering be punching bag BS opposition… Hillary & ivanka both couldn’t recall also too, unless I’m mistaken. Not sure if I’m making sense

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