Pass it along!
#DemVoice1 #DemsUnited #Fresh
We can trust President Biden to keep on working for us.He’s not a smart ass- although he can be very funny. He has the wisdom and experience, the temperament and the team to deliver for America. ??
Listen and Pass it on. pic.twitter.com/2xkLXn1mbr— Margie ?????? (@MargieVotes) April 25, 2024
Gift link – “Biden administration reinstates LGBTQ+ protections in health care”:
The Biden administration is reinstating federal protections for LGBTQ+ people seeking health care. Conservatives oppose the rules prohibiting discrimination, contending they would force providers to provide services against their religious belief. https://t.co/wXNHSk6rmW
— The Washington Post (@washingtonpost) April 27, 2024
.@Axios: “It was a huge week…that could lead to higher wages for millions.”
Thanks to “new rules from federal agencies intent on implementing the White House's pro worker agenda plus a big union victory in the South” pic.twitter.com/Xx0QjOmIHh
— Andrew Bates (@AndrewJBates46) April 27, 2024
Through his policies and his personnel, President Biden has demonstrated his laser-like focus on not only rebuilding our nation’s infrastructure and manufacturing sector but also rebuilding the American middle class itself. https://t.co/km4xiaMB7R
— Missouri AFL-CIO (@MOAFLCIO) April 27, 2024
In November, Americans will be voting to protect their fellow Americans, as well as to:
-prevent climate catastrophe
-fight global authoritarianism
-protect against more war & bloodshed
This is a very serious election. Europe is taking it seriously. Americans should too.— Magdi Jacobs (@magi_jay) April 23, 2024
Interesting snippet from an otherwise extremely forgettable Washington Post interview with Chris Christie:
… Christie recounted a story illustrating Trump’s fears of prison:
Christie said Trump asked him in 2004 about whether a New Jersey politician sentenced to 27 months in prison would go to “real prison.”
Christie responded: “He’s going go to the Bureau of Prisons. I have nothing left to do, and if they decide where he goes, he can go anywhere in the country.”
“[Trump] reached over and grabbed my arm. We’re sitting next to each other. He said, ‘Oh, my God, Chris. I could never do that. I can never go to jail. They tell you when to go to bed at night and when to wake up in the morning and what to wear and what to do, who you can talk to and what you can eat. I could never do that.’”…
Of course, Mr. Christie (how to phrase it politely?)… loves him a big story. But it’s nice to think, isn’t it?
Also, too, I’m seeing hints about this in GOP news stories…
My overarching theory of this year is that if at some point Trump looks cooked, Republicans will run from him, and this includes SCOTUS. If the polls looked different it might have happened already.
— post malone ergo propter malone (@proptermalone.bsky.social) Apr 25, 2024 at 12:19 PM
a major caveat to this is the “if”.
If Trump can stay close in the polls and stay out of jail, or at least enough out of jail it doesn’t kill him in the polls, this won’t happen until after the election at best.— post malone ergo propter malone (@proptermalone.bsky.social) Apr 25, 2024 at 12:48 PM
OzarkHillbilly
Granddaughter day.
“IIIII’m off to see the Vivi, the wonderful Vivi of Oz….”
Bruce K in ATH-GR
Regarding the GOP’s chances with or without Trump, I’m reminded of a quote from a bit of pulp fiction. “Given the choice between virtually certain doom and absolutely certain doom, I’ll take the former every time.” Trump did win once, for certain narrow and corrupt values of “winning”, and without his supporters, the GOP doesn’t have a chance.
Cacti
I’d say that many if not most of the Republican political class aren’t true believing fascists.
They’re just common cowards and opportunists.
But in terms of end result, an enabler is no better than a true believer.
TBone
The tankies are riled up about the proposed seizures of Russki financial assets, which means Pooty isn’t happy about it. Good. Sharp stick, meet eye.
NotMax
Before it, um, passes, it just ain’t Passover without a tip o’ the yarmulke to Jewmongous.
“Damn Wikipedia.” :)
TBone
@NotMax: 💙
lowtechcyclist
@OzarkHillbilly:
Enjoy your time with your granddaughter!
Yesterday, we took the kiddo shopping for a suit to wear to the prom, which is a week from Saturday. Normally, he’s less dressed-up than I am, and that’s a tough bar to limbo under. So seeing him not only getting dressed up in a suit and tie, but getting really into the details of how the shirt and jacket and tie would look together, was quite the experience. He’d really like a decorative kerchief for the suit jacket pocket that would match the tie, and he picked the color of the tie to match his date’s dress.
You can live with a boy practically his entire life, and he can still surprise you.
Frankensteinbeck
Republicans are not going to run away from Trump until he loses the election. They can’t. He’s their presidential candidate, their hope of gaining total power and inflicting their Hellish, sadistic desires on everyone else. He’s the champion of white supremacy. That cannot be abandoned.
Note: That they’re too fucking incompetent to enact more than bits of their agenda doesn’t change this calculus. If anything it reinforces how all-important the presidency is.
TBone
Lee Hepner xits
Splitting Image
Just one thing to add to Propter Malone’s argument above: it’s also possible that Trump’s campaign could look okay moving into the summer, since he is grabbing the party’s entire warchest for himself, but that the rest of the party could look “cooked”.
If the Republicans have to choose between Trump winning and the rest of the party getting waxed (including losing Senate races in Texas and Florida), and Biden winning but the rest of the party holding fast, I think they’ll dump Trump faster than you can say antidisestablishmentarianism.
Mousebumples
Good morning!
Kay
ronaldfilipkowski
He’s such a liar. He’s realizing that she’s a terrible candidate and is going to lose, no matter how much time she spends campaigning but he can’t admit that because she’s a Trump worshipper. He’s right too – she will drag him down in that state.
They’re stuck with her, though. Good.
Freemark
@Frankensteinbeck: Right about that. Even non-supremacy white folk with no empathy should be scared. Those folks cannot handle a crisis with any sort of competency. I think how bad they did with hurricanes, forest fires, and pandemics when the civil service was still mostly intact. After they gut it, the minute they take office, this time it will be immeasurably worse.
Thor Heyerdahl
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
NeenerNeener
That cartoon of Trump’s prison cell should have a picture of Ivanka on the wall, not Melania.
Ken
@Splitting Image: It’s even worse; as you say, Trump’s grabbing the entire party warchest for himself, but how much of that is going to campaigning, versus his legal bills?
TBone
@NeenerNeener: 😆 I remember seeing a picture of his staffer bringing some emotional support print-outs to his golf cart. She was Ivanka’s twin sister.
NotMax
@NeenerNeener
That’s underneath the My Pillow.
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lowtechcyclist
@Splitting Image:
Maybe, but that’s not going to be the choice. There’s no timeline where they dump Trump between now and November and come out anywhere close to unscathed. He owns their party; all their base are belong to him. Whatever hopes they have of winning are entirely dependent on his fanatical supporters. If they dump Trump, they lose those supporters, and it’s game over. They’re not going to go there.
TBone
Does anybody else smell loser stink like DeathSantis? He’s got a nose for it. A brown nose.
https://crooksandliars.com/2024/04/ron-desantis-kisses-trump-ring-you-knew-he
LOLGOP xit
JML
I think it’s going to be really interesting to see how the GOP reacts when TFG is convicted of various of his crimes and flees the country rather than be sent to prison. I’m hoping the timing of this one works out after the GOP nominating convention but before the actual election…
NotMax
@TBone
Suspect she has a file of them ready to print out on a thumb drive and hands him 1/4 of them each day. It’s not as if he’ll remember having previously looked at them by the time they turn up again in rotation.
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rikyrah
Good Morning Everyone 😊 😊 😊
New Deal democrat
@Thor Heyerdahl:
Per CNN:
I predict the US District Court in Amarillo TX will issue a nationwide injunction against the rule, which injunction will be upheld by the Fifth Circuit, and then by a 6-3 majority of the Supreme Court.
In general (with some exceptions), I should say that I don’t have a problem with “conscience clauses” for providing various sorts of services, provided the service is reasonably easily available nearby.
artem1s
@Kay:
or…he’s already got her mailing list and grifted her donors dry.
p.a.
Selective religious protection: would these god-botherers defend religious freedom if their prescription was denied by a C. Scientist pharmacist*? Or their emergency transfusion withheld by a J. Witness EMT*?
*Can these folks even hold these jobs?
BlueGuitarist
@Mousebumples:
good morning!
Icymi, reposting from last night/earlier this morning
My favorite version of Crazy Little Thing Called Love:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcjnvW6fq1U
Josh Turner does all the parts
Ksmiami
@New Deal democrat: No. people who work in healthcare need to leave their religious fervor at home. Also it isn’t like most goods and services in that there are few options in most places.
Ken
@JML: I can easily imagine Trump fleeing the country before the nomination, and still being chosen by the craven bootlickers and true believers at the convention. They’d set up a video screen to show his acceptance speech, pre-recorded in Moscow.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@JML: I like your thinking
Kay
@artem1s:
Gallego is up about 5 consistently and Kari Lake is a known quantity – she isn’t going to be picking up any new support – she’s only getting MAGAS. They’re probably all realizing she’s going to lose.
p.a.
And how well they’ve infiltrated the local, state, & federal executive, legislative, judicial, and security forces .
They will resort to intimidation and violence when necessary if institutions can’t be corrupted.
NotMax
@Ken
I believe a condition of his bail is relinquishment of passport. So if he should bug out abroad, he’d be (wait for it) an “illegal alien” there.
rusty
@lowtechcyclist: Thank you for sharing this story. I had a similar experience recently with my 15 year old son. I hope he has a wonderful time at the prom.
NotMax
@Kay
Lake
TiticacaSh*ttymaga.//
JML
@Dorothy A. Winsor: As much as I approve of the prosecutions, I’ve never believed he’ll spend any time in prison, because despite his lies and fakery about his wealth, he’s still insanely rich by normal standards with more than enough resources to flee the jurisdiction. And he’s exactly the sort of person who would run to Russia or elsewhere to avoid prosecution and spend the entire time complaining about how he was railroaded by a corrupt system.
Will his cult-like following hold if he runs? Or will it fracture? I wish the stakes were lower…
Soprano2
@lowtechcyclist: I have a friend whose son matched the color of his jacket and shoes to the color of his girlfriend’s prom dress. It was bright blue! She posted the pics on FB – they looked really great. We didn’t do stuff like that when I was in high school – you were lucky your date wore a tux.
rikyrah
@OzarkHillbilly:
Yeah 🤗🤗🤗
Have a good day 😊
Frankensteinbeck
@Thor Heyerdahl:
I looked it up. The American white evangelical answer to the parable of the Good Samaritan is that because the Samaritan was helping Christ, that means ‘the least of these’ only refers to Christians, and they define only their kind as Christians.
Soprano2
@TBone: I don’t know who would do it, but they need to put a stop to this judge shopping. It’s gross.
rikyrah
@TBone:
Seize
Seize
Seize
TBone
@NotMax: 😆
Brachiator
@Splitting Image:
What does “dump Trump” even mean? He is the GOP candidate. No Republican is going to disavow him. And his base is not going anywhere. They are becoming quieter and more sullen, refusing to talk to reporters or pollsters. But they are determined.
The GOP will happily go down with Trump. And they will be easily seduced by the next Trump.
It’s up to good people to crush the Republicans.
Soprano2
This is so gross, do they realize how this sounds to normal people? “I don’t want to help your child who is bleeding out because they’re gay, and that’s against my religious beliefs” is not the argument they think it is. I believe medical people are already protected from giving voluntary medical care that conflicts with their religious beliefs – they can’t be forced to participate in an abortion under most circumstances, for example, but that’s not enough for them.
Jeffro
@Kay: so funny – I saw that piece in the WaPo and bolted over here to gloat/cheer/LOL =)
it’s Year Eight of “loyalty is a one-way street with this guy”, Republicans. somehow, they STILL can’t figure it out.
Betty
@Frankensteinbeck: I don’t know how anyone could interpret the story that way. Christ wasn’t talking about himself. It was a hypothetical that he gave to reinforce the idea that all people are our neighbors and we should love our neighbors.
ETA: They also insist the reference to wine is really grape juice. Such phonies!
Frankensteinbeck
@JML:
I agree that if he thinks he is going to jail he will do absolutely anything, anything to prevent it. However, his laziness and narcissism mean he will believe the least inconvenient solution is sufficient at any moment. He’s likely to put off running until the cuffs are on his wrists.
They’ll never admit he’s wrong. That would be admitting white supremacy is wrong. They’ll be demotivated as Hell, though.
TBone
@rikyrah: ✊ 🎶 Go on, take the money and run 🎶
TBone
@Soprano2: yeah about that, Texas judiciary looked at the new rule (policy proposal?) and laughed. Here’s where my mom says “I’ll give you something to laugh about, smartass…” and breaks out the metal-edged ruler because her hand is sore
Soprano2
@Frankensteinbeck: I’ve read that, it’s so gross and not at all the idea of Christianity. They’ve twisted it beyond all recognition.
Jeffro
@Jeffro:
“me, Me, MEEEEEE!” – DJT
Rather than embrace her (she IS their Senate candidate, after all) and throw resources, support, endorsements her way…he’s already blaming her in case (ie, when) he loses AZ
Who was it that said trump is a ‘black hole of need’? A ‘basket of undiagnosed mental disorders’? They’re both right.
Eyeroller
@Frankensteinbeck: That’s mystifying since it was a story told by Jesus, set in some unspecified earlier time. I see that St. Augustine said that it was allegorical, but he thought that the Samaritan was Jesus, not the unnamed Jewish robbery victim. It’s funny how people will bend themselves into pretzels to overinterpret a parable that was clearly meant to be taken literally (help thy neighbor even if you don’t like him) into some theological wankery.
Soprano2
@Brachiator: I think it’s more that they’ll try to run away from him and his positions if they think they can’t win without “normie” voters. It’s a tightrope they’ve got to walk, appealing to the MAGA’s while not seeming crazy to normal people. I figure most of them can’t pull it off.
A Streeter
@Betty: You have to read the Bible “literally” (which of course does not literally mean that).
Kay
Ooof. The Biden Administration loses credibility on this every single day they deny it’s happening. The United States isn’t the only country in the world. We can’t gaslight the whole world. Denying the mass graves makes this no longer about Israel but instead about whether the Biden Administration operates in… reality. I think about Samantha Power and just cringe. Her whole life’s work is supposedly opposition to war crimes and she was in a powerful position to object to war crimes and she just choked. She did nothing.
Frankensteinbeck
@Betty:
Whether or not it makes sense, that’s the official line. I believe it makes sense if you look at it from their viewpoint that they are Good and everyone else is Evil, because they and only they are going to Heaven, because they and only they are worshipping correctly. It’s not possible for anyone else to deserve anything good.
They can quote a line that says you can only get to Heaven through Jesus Christ, so throw away the rest of the Bible. They’ve heard what they want to hear and everything else must somehow be twisted to fit.
Eyeroller
@Betty: We need RevRick to show up and explain in more detail, but the key context that is usually missing is that the Jews and Samaritans, though related tribes, were enemies. So it’s not just “love thy neighbor” it’s “show mercy even to those you hate.”
Brachiator
@JML:
I don’t have a problem with this.
It would not bother me if many of his cult followed him into exile.
But I think he is too much of a coward to flee. He would have to admit that he is the biggest loser.
Soprano2
@Frankensteinbeck: The Bible tells them to do things they don’t want to do, so instead of finding another religion they twist what’s in the Bible to fit what they already want to do. This is one of many reasons I cannot be a Christian, or belong to any other religion. They all have holy books and officials who see women as second class, lesser people, and I can’t belong to any religion that sees me that way, especially when I know that women are the backbone of most churches. You can tell me “but we don’t see it that way”, and although I know it’s true I also know that those who don’t see it that way are a minority in Christianity.
TBone
@Brachiator: he’s been upset about the bunker bitch story reemerging as a result of his demand for immunity hypothetical scenarios – he wanted to be able to do executions and repeatedly whined to his staff/onlookers about wanting to execute the leaker of the bunker bitch story. Bunker. Bitch.
Betty Cracker
@Kay: I read Power’s book ages ago and have been surprised at her current lack of action. It’s disappointing.
SFAW
@JML:
And I think it’s going to be really interesting when I win both MegaMillions and Powerball when they’re (each) over $500M. I won’t go so far as to say he will never be convicted and sentenced to prison time, but it’s about as likely as me losing 50 pounds (non-catastrophically) in the next week.
zhena gogolia
@Frankensteinbeck: I’ve seen you say this before. The Samaritan wasn’t helping Christ.
Frankensteinbeck
@Eyeroller:
You are correct, but again, they start from the assumption that they are the only Good people, and they justify it with ‘You can only be saved through Jesus Christ’ which means that worshiping correctly is the only thing that defines goodness. After that you have to turn most of the Bible and all of the Gospels upside down to fit, but their psycho interpretations must be correct because again, they are Good and only they are Good.
The foundation of American white evangelical Christianity is a bigotry, and it turns the rest of their cult into a disease. I know there are congregations that avoid it, but the mainstream evangelicals consider them heretics too.
EDIT – @zhena gogolia:
I’m reporting their interpretation. I think they’re wrong to the point of deranged evil in every particular.
Harrison Wesley
@A Streeter: And only the King James version – after all, that’s the English that Jesus spoke.
Another Scott
@Frankensteinbeck: There’s always an excuse.
Similarly, Jesus’s bit about “give all your stuff to the poor and follow me”. He didn’t really mean it literally, you see, because “Jesus wants you to be rich!”
It’s all just mouth noises in service of their chasing money and power.
Grr…,
Scott.
Frankensteinbeck
@Another Scott:
I will only amend that in their eyes (and alas, all to many people’s) the most important power is the power to hurt anyone you don’t like.
Brachiator
A question for the lawyers. Could the Supreme Court change their mind and decide that they should not rule on the Trump claims to have absolute immunity for any presidential actions? Could they say that it is not a matter for any court to rule on?
Not being a lawyer or constitutional scholar, I don’t think that the Constitution spells out all presidential powers, nor did it intend to. But the Founders clearly intended a president to have the equivalent powers of the leaders of any other countries. Even kings, which is why a president has the kingly power to grant pardons.
However, Congress reserves the right to impeach and remove a president for high crimes and misdemeanors. And it is solely up to Congress to decide what would be a high crime. Not the Supreme Court. Clearly, the Constitution plainly says that a president can do anything they want without consequence.
ETA. If the Court decides in favor of Trump in any way, I hope that someone leaks the decision.
TBone
@Another Scott: and world domination
They have many foreign ministries, but “don’t let any brown people past my wall! Wah!”
https://network.crcna.org/topic/church-administration/church-admin-finance/taxes-and-legal/what-churches-need-know-about
Kay
@Betty Cracker:
The US war crimes expert will be literally the last official on the planet to find a war crime. I don’t know how she attends these conferences, etc. I mean, she must have hundreds of international colleagues who are “WTF lady, isn’t this your life’s work?”
“Mass graves. what mass graves?” At this point it’s fantasy.
Harrison Wesley
@Kay: US gov isn’t trying to gaslight the whole world, just its own citizens.
Brachiator
@Another Scott:
Jesus wants me to be rich. Not too sure about you or anyone else. ;)
He’s just taking His sweet time before He rewards me.
Bupalos
@Splitting Image: It’s hard for me to envision this juxtaposition in real life. At least for this cycle, If Trump is cooked, they are cooked. Plain and simple. Trump would have to be clearly noncompetitive for the party to even think about positioning for 2 or 4 years from now.
O. Felix Culpa
@Frankensteinbeck: But the Samaritan wasn’t helping Jesus. The story only talks about an unidentified man traveling from Jerusalem to Jericho, who is attacked by robbers and later assisted by the outcast Samaritan. There is absolutely nothing in the story or its context that indicates Jesus was talking about himself. Which of course doesn’t prevent so-called biblical literalists from making that shit up, not unlike certain Supreme Court. originalists/textualists in re the Constitution.
ETA: I see that others have made the same point. Yay for BJ literacy!
Sure Lurkalot
If you own a mortgage company and refuse a loan to a certain group, that’s redlining and illegal. It’s ridiculous to claim a religious objection to providing services in a medical situation. You are not guaranteed your choice of a profession. If your “sincerely held” religious beliefs interfere with the requirements of your job, pick a different one. One without customers or clients whose lifestyles or needs might offend you. Or ask your version of Jesus to rain down wealth on you so you can stay the fuck home.
Bupalos
@JML: Whatever you’re smoking, can I have some?
Wag
@artem1s: Agree 97%. The only change I would make is to replace “or” with “and”.
Another Scott
@Sure Lurkalot: +1
This SCOTUS has enabled and encouraged so many category errors that it’s flabbergasting.
Stay in your lane.
Do your job.
Don’t like some aspect of a job in public service? Don’t get a job there.
Religion doesn’t, and never has, trumped everything in public life.
This stuff isn’t hard.
Grr…,
Scott.
Daoud bin Daoud
@Splitting Image: but if Trump takes power (notice I didn’t say “elected”), losing the Senate and the House won’t matter – Congress and the Extreme Court would be largely irrelevant Under His Eye.
NotMax
@Brachiator
Hoary punch line.
“Meet me halfway, okay?. Buy a ticket!!”
:)
Odie Hugh Manatee
@Frankensteinbeck:
How can it only apply to christians if they did not exist when Jesus walked the Earth? He helped everyone who existed then and there was no such thing as christianity (what a wonderful concept).
Evangelicals are fucking stupid.
Soprano2
I’m living in the swamp right now – we got about 6.5″ of rain since Friday! I am SO GLAD I got a plumber to replace my sump pump. It was coming on about every 10 minutes yesterday. They’re forecasting more rain this week, I sure hope that doesn’t happen because we definitely don’t need it now.
Frankensteinbeck
@Odie Hugh Manatee:
Oh, man, that’s an old one, from way before evangelicals.
Everyone who lived before Christ went to Hell. The only maybe possible exceptions that are the subject of debate are a few Jewish patriarchs who spoke directly to God.
tokyokie
@Odie Hugh Manatee:
After all, they believe in the literal, inerrant truth of a holy book filled with parables.
Wapiti
@Jeffro: Rather than embrace her (she IS their Senate candidate, after all) and throw resources, support, endorsements her way…he’s already blaming her in case (ie, when) he loses AZ
It sounds like what he did in Georgia. His petulant whining about the Georgia candidates depressed turnout and helped two Democrats get elected.
Glidwrith
@New Deal democrat: No. We just had a Juicer this weekend describing how a nurse withheld antibiotic treatment for five hours (on a six hour rotation of treatment) so that they would learn only Jesus Christ could save them. All because that person wrote they were agnostic on the admittance sheet.
No redress from the supervisor or hospital.
I don’t want to imagine the horror stories that could happen to gay or trans folks if the religious nut jobs get to pick and choose.
Kay
@Harrison Wesley:
It becomes ludicrous. I recognize that this is a difficult issue politically but that doesn’t excuse “denial” raised to the level of wackiness – they sound like fucking crazy people. All the internal agonizing in the world doesn’t trump the actual bodies in the actual mass grave. We’re supposed to be the reality based Party. This approaches “diagrams of the WMD production in Iraq” levels of gaslighting.
Brachiator
@NotMax:
Ha! Yep.
Frankensteinbeck
@Glidwrith:
Everything I just said in action.
Jeffro
@Wapiti: exactly. here’s hoping that (once again) his own incredible selfishness costs him AZ, and therefore the White House.
The Very Reverend Crimson Fire of Compassion
@Frankensteinbeck: Christ is the narrator of the parable, not a character in it. The Samaritan helped someone Jesus identifies only as “a certain man”–Luke 10:30. Not sure where you “looked it up.”, but it wasn’t the Bible, which for evangelicals is the final word.
Brachiator
@Frankensteinbeck:
In Dante’s Inferno, those who did not know Christ are in Limbo, the first circle of Hell, but not as bad a place as what comes later.
Harrison Wesley
@Kay: I was particularly intrigued with the idea that we couldn’t support an independent investigation until we heard what the IDF had to say. Presumably we’d extend the same courtesy to the Russians if a mass grave were found in Ukrainian territory that they had occupied.
NotMax
@Brachiator
How many could there have been? After all, it was only a fleeting 4004 years between Adam and JC..
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Eyeroller
@The Very Reverend Crimson Fire of Compassion: No, their — or their pastor’s — interpretation of the Bible is the final word. There is no biblical support whatsoever for “prosperity gospel”–it is basically the reductio ad absurdum of Calvinism. But it’s widespread among Evangelicals. And as I mentioned above, they aren’t the only ones to come up with some theological wankery about the parable; St. Augustine thought that the Samaritan, not the Jew, represented Jesus. They just make it more self-serving.
Frankensteinbeck
@The Very Reverend Crimson Fire of Compassion:
Why are you people arguing with me about what the Bible says? It doesn’t matter what the Bible says. It only matters what they think the Bible says. Evangelicals don’t give a shit what the Bible says. They care about what carefully selected verses of the Bible says, interpreted through their own preconceptions.
My parents are exvangelicals, and most of my high school friends were exvangelicals, even though the term wasn’t in parlance then. My extended family were evangelicals. I grew up surrounded by evangelicals. Yes, I know these people. Saying they believe in the literal word of the Bible is like saying that Republicans are fiscally conservative or that anti-abortion activists are pro-life. All your arguments about what the Bible actually says are meaningless, because they don’t care.
lowtechcyclist
@Soprano2:
When I was in high school at the beginning of the 1970s, most people I knew regarded stuff like the prom as a leftover from a bygone era. Nobody I knew well went; the idea of going didn’t even cross my mind.
I don’t feel like I missed anything, but I’m glad the kiddo is going and is excited about it. Times have changed, of course, and the kids from his crowd will be there.
And damn, he looks sharp in that outfit! He’s gonna turn some heads.
Torrey
Inconveniently enough, Jesus consistently provided healthcare to all kinds of people that his religion said he wasn’t even supposed to get within touching distance of. Tsk.
@Frankensteinbeck:
I was raised evangelical and I still have pretty good connections in that community, and I’ve never heard of anything like that interpretation. Citation?
Kay
@Harrison Wesley:
I was so disappointed with the refusal to enforce the Leahy Laws. I really had hope for that – the committee had already made a finding, there’s overhwleming evidence, it’s just ONE Israeli unit, seven D senators were lobbying for it, including Tim Kaine who is VERY pro Israel- even he had a line he wouldn’t cross. Yet Blinken and Co couldn’t even muster the courage to do that. Just a massive failure of will across the board. The State Department is yet another institution that was tested and failed miserably.
No wonder the students don’t have any faith in us. We suck. We’re not reliable or trustworthy people.
NotMax
@Jaffro
Wedge salad addiction is a terrible scourge.
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Ejoiner
For those looking for a walloping good time plowing through some religious history I heartily recommend the very recent four part series on Luther and the Reformation from “The Rest is History” podcast hosted by Tom Holland (the British historian, not Spider-Man) and Dominic Sandborn (also a crack Brit historian).
Dominic likes to use the acronym CHINO for a lot of the cast of historical characters (Christian In Name Only), which I think applies to 90% of those professing to follow Christ these days as well.
NotMax
@Lowtechcyclist
Yuppers. My high school class overwhelmingly voted to donate the money allocated for a prom to a draft counseling organization.
narya
Since it’s an open thread: I put some dirt in the various boxes on the porch, and, before buying any seeds, I planted what I already had (nasturtiums, flax, some marigold seeds from last year’s flowers) as well as three of the four beans from my last pots of beans (I’ve taken to planting a bean from each batch). I still have some empty boxes, so, now that the sun is out, I’m gonna walk to the garden store and get seeds; wish me luck in not over-buying. I don’t get a lot of direct sun on the north-facing porch, so there’s a limit to what will grow, but I can usually find shade-tolerant mixes
Okay, it’s NOT officially an open thread . . . but planting seeds always gives me a little thrill. I don’t have the big gardens many of you have, but seeing the green shoots from the beans over the winter helped me through. And, in keeping with the theme, I have to keep planting seeds of democracy and kindness as best I can.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@narya: Planting flowers is a sign of hope for a beautiful future.
Bostondreams
I understand why one might choose not to vote for Biden in protest of Gaza, but to actively vote for and support a man who will make everything WORSE in Gaza, and here…I don’t get that at all.
narya
@Dorothy A. Winsor: :-) yes. Exactly!
Eyeroller
@Bostondreams: I think it’s called “cutting off your nose to spite your face.” Seems to happen a lot.
lowtechcyclist
@Frankensteinbeck:
Huh. Jesus tells that parable in response to the question “and who is my neighbor?” So their interpretation of Jesus’ answer is, “only Real True Christians like us”?
For that matter, that isn’t even how Jesus couches his answer, because, having told the parable, Jesus flips the question inside out, asking, “who was neighbor to this man?”, that is, the man who was beaten and left for dead by the robbers.
The Samaritan was neighbor to him, not by any affiliation of tribe or religion, but just by seeing him in need and doing something about it. Jesus tells us to do like the Samaritan did, and I’ll be damned if I can understand how anyone can derive from that any sort of limitation on who we are expected to love. Got a link to their twisted logic? I confess I’m curious.
Bostondreams
@Eyeroller: One of the folks interviewed said that they think Trump will stand up to Netanyahu. WHAT?
lowtechcyclist
@Betty:
Yep, Jesus turned the water into Welch’s, don’t’cha know? ;-)
Jackie
@Jeffro: Has TIFG retracted his endorsement of Lake? As I recall, his endorsement was a biggly announcement at a splashy gala.
Eolirin
@Kay: Or, just maybe, State came to the conclusion that at this exact moment in time, moving forward on that would do more harm than good in their efforts to secure a durable ceasefire?
lowtechcyclist
@Soprano2:
I wish I could say that wasn’t true, but of course it’s all too true.
Kay
@Bostondreams:
They think if Trump were doing this Democrats would all rally against Trump, and there would be a policy change. They think the lack of oppositionfrom Democrats is partisan – Democrats aren’t opposing this because their guy is in the White House. We can agree or disagree with them but I think we have to engage with their actual argument – that’s the argument.
Soprano2
@Frankensteinbeck: That was so outrageous. At the least that nurse should have lost her job. Thankfully there were no whack jobs like that caring for my husband.
Kay
@Bostondreams:
That’s why I think the seven or so Democrats who have publicly opposed the Biden Adminstration on this probably help down-ballot Democrats in MI. It goes against partisanship and the accusation is “if Trump were doing this you would all be protesting”.
Kay
Sorry – seven or so SENATORS. Obviusly there’s more opposition in the House.
The Very Reverend Crimson Fire of Compassion
@Frankensteinbeck: A. I’m not “arguing with you” about what the Bible says. There is no argument about what it says on this particular topic, and your insistence on asserting the primacy of some other text (the one where you “looked it up”) is irrelevant. B. I’m pointing out what the Bible says in response to your assertion that the interpretation you’ve repeated here is somehow the consensus theology of evangelicals. If you knew half as much about evangelicalism as you think you do, you would know that “evangelicals” do not hold a common creed or statement of faith, so I’d love to see you cite your source for where you “looked it up”. I cited mine. Hence, the Biblical quotation. C. “Evangelicals” aren’t a monolith, don’t all support Trump or Republicans, or hold the beliefs you tar them with. Granted that the vast majority do so, it’s still not okay for you to inaccurately attribute attitudes to the whole group that not all members of that group share. Try replacing “evangelical” with “Muslim” or “Jew” and see how comfortable you are with the approach you take in this post. And D., I don’t really need you to explain to me what evangelicals are like. I don’t doubt that you know some. I’m the son of an evangelist, learned to read from the King James bible, and was ordained in an evangelical tradition.
Another Scott
@Kay:
Things are happening that we don’t often hear about.
E.g. Power testimony on Sen Kaine questions on April 10 (7:42).
She runs USAID. She doesn’t run the State Department.
Politics is slow.
Yes, more needs to be done faster. Bibi and the IDF are clearly committing war crimes, but things need to be investigated to have credibility (remember the early reports of Israel killing “500” by “bombing a hospital” that turned out to be a defective Hamas rocket)…
FWIW.
Grr…,
Scott.
lowtechcyclist
@NotMax:
Y’all did good.
Eyeroller
@The Very Reverend Crimson Fire of Compassion: “Evangelical” isn’t all that well defined. In Europe it frequently just means “Protestant.” Some US churches call themselves “evangelical” mostly with that older meaning. In the US it generally refers to right-wing fundamentalist sects, however, whether other evangelicals like that or not (many don’t).
prostratedragon
@Bostondreams: Anyone telling me that they’ll vote for the other guy only for that reason is apt to get called a liar by me.
rikyrah
@Soprano2:
I love prom season on social media. These young people are truly going all out.
I also love the ones who had parents with timeless tastes and the gowns of the mother/grandmother, still look beautiful and wearable today
Eolirin
@Kay: Trump wouldn’t be doing this, Trump would have encouraged Israel to level Gaza. There would have been no pushback to turning the water off at the start of the war. There’d be no attempt to provide humanitarian assistance. No hostages would have been released. There would be no attempts at ceasefire talks. The US would have ceded what little leverage we have entirely.
It’s highly likely Israel and Iran would be at war, and we possibly would have been dragged into that.
And domestically, all of those protesters would be being targeted by federal law enforcement with local law enforcement being encouraged to engage in violence against them. Being pro-palestinian would be conflated with being pro terrorist. Efforts to suppress any kind of protest would be intense.
If we got into a conflict with Iran, we’d be around the point where Muslims start getting rounded up en masse. They already want to do that, and everything is viewed through the lens of what’s good or bad for Trump and how the people around Trump can use what’s happening to consolidate power and advance their agendas, not what needs to happen to arrive at specific outcomes.
And anyone who thinks policy changes would occur under a Trump administration because Democrats would take a more active role in pushing back is living in a fantasy world. Republican administrations have such a history of being responsive to the concerns of their Democratic counterparts, you know?
Eyeroller
@Bostondreams: Media also actively looks for people who will say things like this.
wjca
They should take the win. It’s the best chance they are likely to get to address the flood of doctors leaving their states: get a few rabid reactionary doctors to move to them.
Geminid
@lowtechcyclist: There is still a Samaritan community of maybe 4,000 people. They live in northeast Israel and across the border in the northern West Bank. One wrote a cookbook a couple years ago that was featured in the Times of Israel.
The religion is a similar to Judaism, with its own version of the Torah. The Samaritans might be remnants of the northern tribes who were conquered by the Assyrians
rikyrah
@O. Felix Culpa:
this is why I love this blog. Where else can I get a discussion about the parable of the Good Samaritan on a Monday morning ? :)
rikyrah
@Sure Lurkalot:
That has always been my stance. Find a new phucking job.
Kay
@Eolirin:
I would argue this is already happening. Have you seen the crackdowns on protestors? The video? It’s INSANE. Ohio State and Indiana University put snipers on the roof – against their own godammned students. Then they lied about it and said they hadn’t – pure gaslighting, and easily debunked WITH VIDEO. This is no longer just Ivy League, private school rich kids. It’s now tens of state schools.
They were tazing students in GA. I think these students have a legitimate legal claim for damages against their universities – as we all know cops cannot be held accountable in any way but universities can. There’s plenty of evidence! They’re pretty fucking good at taking video with their phones!
They think the ony reason rank and file Democrats who marched against Iraq and marched against South Africa aren’t opposing this is because a Democrat is doing it. The students believe that too, the ones I have talked to. They think this is all Blue Team loyalty.
I don’t think it matters what we think. I have no idea what it feels like to have my own government attacking my ethnic/religious group. I am just not in a position to lecture these people. I don’t know what that’s like.
the pollyanna from hell
What Fam Unpent and Allowed to Live
Son of man brother Jesus was talkin’ that smack with that Phoenecian lady down Tyre and Sidon. Then he called her a bitch, pushed away from the table ’cause dogfood not fit at the table for to sit. That’s when the fem was moved to object. That’s when she found the way. And that’s when she began to grin; you know that she would grin like sin.
She was hip, she was slick and she gave him the slip, and she tossed him that line at the comical time. Talkin smack in the hood, but she used it for good, and I hope that I would be the same. I wish that I will be the same.
On the day that the alpha clown went down, transfigured with joy, he plays his evil twin. He’s abusive and foul and rightly smacked down so that’s how they say in Morality Play. Nothing that is human is alien to me. See how he plays the clown. And he doesn’t care who judged it. The man don’t care who knows.
There’s a joke in the book, there’s a smile in the book; there’s a crack in the book like the crack of a smile. There’s a crack in the book if you take a good look it never was the crack of doom. Never was the crack of doom.
She was hip, she was slick and she gave him the slip, and she tossed him that line at the comical time. Smack-down this always smile on my face. Always and always learning for grace. Don’t forget and don’t forget. Remember how she passed you that line. Remember how she passed you that line. Don’t forget she passed you that line. Grinning as she passed you that line. Tossed it at the comical time.
Randy Chase
Soprano2
@Kay: So they think if TFG were doing it Democrats would rally against him and force TFG to change his policy? Or that Democrats would change their policy, and then…..nothing different would happen? See, this is the part that confuses me – they want to support the person who sucked up to Bibi even more than Biden is, who we all know would tell Bibi to go ahead and do whatever he wants in Gaza because geez those people aren’t really humans anyway. Being upset with Biden I get, but actively trying to get TFG elected when you’re upset about what’s happening to Palestinians in Gaza makes absolutely no sense to me. They’re just wrong about this, based on history.
Ksmiami
@Sure Lurkalot: yep. You either can and will do the job as required, or find another line of work.
Kay
@Eolirin:
I think I could make this argument to student protestors who are not Arab or Muslim. The harm reduction argument. It’s generally a shitty political argument but it’s what we have.
However.
I don’t think I can make this argument to Arabs and/or Muslims because I have no earthly idea what it’s like to go thru what they’re going thru. The United States has never attacked my ethnic group. I don’t have a religious group but the US hasn’t attacked Christians or Jewish people either, so I don’t think we know what it’s like.
TBone
@Frankensteinbeck: hospital didn’t feed my hubby until after a nun had administered communion 🙄 timed for when I would not be present
Kay
@Eolirin:
Just as I don’t have a gut level personal experience of anti Jewish bigotry I ALSO don’t have that experience as an Arab American or Muslim. So just like I don’t lecture Jewish people on anti Semitism or what they “should” do I don’t lecture Arabs/Muslims. I don’t know what it’s like. If they tell me they can’t in good conscience vote for Joe Biden I believe them.
New Deal democrat
@Glidwrith: As I said – and repeat now:
”provided the service is reasonably easily available nearby.”
In your case, it most certainly was not.
Have a nice day. Tapping out.
Soprano2
@Kay: I think it’s more because it’s Israel, a country our government has always supported, and because they did start out with a legitimate grievance – they were subjected to an unprovoked attack by terrorists. Whatever you think about the relationship between these two groups there is no excuse for what Hamas did on October 7th. The Iraq War was different, there was no logical reason for starting it, and South Africa was different too because that’s a clear case of their government being wrong in what it was doing. I think in 10 or 20 years you’ll see a big flip in the strength of our government supporting Israel because of what’s happening right now, but too many of the people in our government are still living in a fantasy world where Israel always has to be defended because “they’re the only democratic government in the Middle East”. I’ve heard that line a lot. Plus, people who don’t support Israel no matter what they do are attacked by a lot of others as being anti-Semitic, and that can be a hard lift for a politician. I want them to enforce the Leahy law in this case too because it’s the right thing to do, and they have enough evidence to justify the decision, but I understand how politically difficult this is for people who have unwaveringly supported Israel for their whole careers.
It’s a shitty situation all the way around.
Kay
@Another Scott:
Do Americans understand that the ICC indictments will include Hamas? Because they will. So the US is helping to stand in the way of criminal indictments of Hamas, because the ICC can’t just indict Hamas and ignore Israeli war crimes. That isn’t how that court works.
We’re essentially protecting Hamas at this point in our nutty zeal to protect Israel. It’s insane. How is this even justice for the Israelis Hamas murdered? We’re all just going to pretend both sides aren’t comitting war crimes?
Biden has lost the plot, IMO. He cannot approach this logically. He’s too emotionally invested.
wjca
No, no. You want:
“here’s hoping that (once again) his own incredible selfishness costs him AZ and a bunch of other states, and therefore he loses the White House in a landslide.”
That’s the outcome to work for. And if you think it’s impossible, consider how many states Reagan carried in 1984. In a country not dramatically more conservative than it is today.
rikyrah
@Kay:
But, this is AIPAC loyalty.
I know that I’m not in the mainstream of the Democratic party, because I would have told Israel years ago to find another Sugar Daddy.
But, the law enforcement presence there is not from this White House. It’s local executives.
Another Scott
@Sure Lurkalot:
“My sincerely held religious belief is that people who wear eyeglasses have the mark of the beast. My religious views must be protected and respected that I cannot serve them.”
Roberts: What an interesting legal quandry. The plaintiff is granted relief while we consider this weighty and novel problem.
Alito: There is no historical Christian law or Constitutional principle that people who wear eyeglasses are a legally protected class. We must hold for the plaintiff.
…
Grr…,
Scott.
Kay
@rikyrah:
Has the Biden Administration said anything at all about the students right to First Amendment political speech or how they are being beaten and tazed by police for peaceful protest?
I mean, obviously the college administrators these students are borrowing tens of thousands of dollars to pay can’t stick up for their own students, maybe the President could?
How much does the IU President pull down every year? 18 year olds pay his salary with money they borrow. Maybe he could not send police in to beat the shit out of them?
Kay
@rikyrah:
I mean it was one thing to send in police to beat up students for protesting when states and the federal government were paying for college in the 1960s, but these students pay for their own college. Surely the people they pay can see their way clear to not brutalizing them.
wjca
It’s not so much a fantasy world, for many of them, as a memory of when they were young and it was true and Israel (and its government) were rather different.
Another Scott
@Kay: Yes.
WhiteHouse.gov/briefing-room/ (April 22):
FWIW.
Cheers,
Scott.
Brachiator
@Frankensteinbeck:
I didn’t know that you grew up with and around evangelical people. I grew up in Texas and knew some very religious Babtists and other sorts, and some of them had odd and wrong headed interpretations of the Bible, but they always made a big deal about “understanding” the text. And yeah, they could be hyper literal.
I’m curious how evangelicals rationalize, if they bother at all, such wildly inconsistent readings of the Bible. How is this reinforced? Is there some common understanding about their world view?
Could any wild interpretation be too much even for an evangelical?
gene108
If supporting Trump, if he’s convicted, helps Republicans win, they’ll continue to support him.
The sinister six Justices on the SCOTUS know they’re untouchable. They’ll do whatever they want.
There will never be a day of reckoning for the Republican Party. They have a hard floor and strong base of support in much of the South, lower Midwest, Plains states, and Mountain West states that doesn’t seem susceptible to change in the short- to mid-term.
rikyrah
@Kay:
I don’t disagree with you.
Columbia – product of the 1968 protests was the creation of the Columbia Senate. Senate in 2024 told the President NOT TO CALL IN THE NYPD.
She called in the NYPD anyways.
I have a problem with the protestors covering up their faces. You wanna be all big and bad. Show yourself.
Also believe that the college has a right to go through and ask for Student ID’s. What was it, ASU, where they arrested 69, and the majority of the people arrested – DIDN’T EVEN GO TO ASU?
I agree with others who say that there are outside instigators, who want to, if not already, hijack these protest movements, and they are being paid to do so.
From what I see, there are two parallel tracks out here running with the protests.
The inner group are those protesting for Palestine.
The outer group are those protesting that the Palestine group has the right to protest.
I don’t know which campuses I was watching videos from, but, the police/troopers wanted to swoop in – WHILE THE PROTESTERS WERE PRAYING.
And, the outer protesters formed a human circle around them shouting
LET THEM PRAY
LET THEM PRAY
That was a very powerful moment to me. The complete inability for both law enforcement, as well as those who sent law enforcement, of the diminishment of their authority. That they don’t grasp the horror of the visual of that scene.
Brachiator
@Another Scott:
Damn. I love this guy.
Bostondreams
@Kay:
You are right. My issue is not with them refusing to vote for Biden. I understand that, and it needs to be engaged. My issue is voting for Trump instead, who will actively make things worse, Democratic opposition or not. Because I suspect if Trump wins, the Dems lose Congress too, so it’s going to make everything worse for everyone. It’s not too different from the extreme leftists who say that are seeking to make things worse so eyes will be opened and the revolution will come.
Again, I understand the rage and not voting for him. I don’t understand the thinking that says Trump will make things better.
Kay
@Another Scott:
Seriously? That’s his statement on their First Amendment rights and police brutality?
When he said he had a “program” to deal with the protestors they all took it as he was complicit in the crackdown. I think he should probably explain the “program” he has to shut down constitutionally protected political speech, because that’s a fucking weird thing to say.
I think the mass grave is just the beginning. People on the ground there said once the smoke cleared all of this was going to come out and it will. There are thousands of medical personnel who are witnesses and would be part of any ICC investigation. Four hundred of them were killed. Biden has a short period of time before this gets worse when there are more revelations.
Brachiator
@Glidwrith:
Pretty sure this is all kinds of illegal.
Cacti
I don’t know if it’s emotionally invested or just stuck mentally in a 20th century frame of reference due to age.
But team Biden has failed utterly to read the room with respect to young voters, and I think it’s going to cost him the election.
Kay
@Cacti:
I don’t know. Young voters have such poor turnout they’ll only matter in MI and PA and WI. But they will matter there. I only know numbers on Michigan – both MSU and Michigan keep data on how many students vote and I can do 80/30 on that but MSU and Michigan are only two schools – Michigan has a whole public university system outside those two. It’s real numbers. Could definitely swing the state.
I just don’t think I can tell Arab Americans what they “should” do. My country isn’t attacking my ethnic/religious group. It’s attacking theirs. I have no idea what that feels like and either does anyone else who isn’t in that group. Imagine if we were backing Russia in bombing Ukraine. No one would ever demand Ukranian Americans support Biden. It woud be considered an outrageous ask.
Citizen Alan
@The Very Reverend Crimson Fire of Compassion:
If Jews or Muslims supported Donald Trump by better than a 4-1 margin, had de facto control of one of our two political parties (and were responsible for its most destructive policies), and openly talked about replacing our democracy with a theocracy where everyone had to conform to their most narrow-minded views? You bet your ass I would view Jews and Muslims as the enemy to be fought at every turn and, on a fundamental level, disordered and unAmerican. But Jews and Muslims don’t have any of those characteristics, which among US religions are found solely among Evangelicals.
Hob
@Glidwrith:
I missed that comment – could you give more of a hint as to where to find it? This isn’t directed at you, but without more details I’m having a lot of trouble believing that this occurred as described. I’m a former nurse who has witnessed plenty of absurd shit, I can easily believe that there’s a nurse out there who’s crazy enough to do this, but “no redress from the supervisor or hospital” is implausible to me.
Glidwrith
@Hob: I believe it was a response to commentor sab, but that’s as much detail as I recall.
Ruckus
@Frankensteinbeck:
And with the actions of the republican party over the last few years by electing SFB and his somewhat oversized ego,,,, they seem to have chased out or erased all the other possible candidates by showing them that their only path is downhill, at a speed approximating falling off of Mount Everest.
Seems amazing to me that they elected someone with zero concept of the job, who proved it over and over and that is seemingly the guy they want back again while he’s currently in court and has a few more court dates lined up in his near future, along with seemingly going senile at a pace few have ever achieved.
I say bravo republicans, a feat rarely seen, a swan dive into political insanity, led by a seemingly rapidly depreciating pile of whatever because they thought he was worth a lot of money, but he can’t seem to cover the trail of whatever it is that is building and building behind him. And they are willing to look towards him again for their leader? Is it because no one even close to sane wants to be near when it all hits the fan? Is it they can’t admit even the possibility that they MIGHT have been wrong about him? Or is it that they admire him for all the wrong reasons?
Kay
@Cacti:
I was actually surprised that Michigan Arab areas vote 70% D. That’s high for what I consider a fairly conservative group (in my personal experience with them – I don’t think of them as “liberals”).
Soprano2
@Bostondreams: This is where I am, too. I read that article, and the people who are working against Biden talk about TFG as if he has no record and has never said anything about any of this. What he would do is knowable, and that’s to not lift a finger to help any Palestinian in Gaza even if Bibi were trying to kill all of them. He would have agreed with everything Bibi wanted to do from the beginning, from shutting off the water to completely stopping aid from getting through, to deliberately targeting press and aid workers. How can they not know this, is what I want to know? I think their rage at Biden is blinding them to this knowable truth.
Ruckus
@Splitting Image:
I’m not sure about that.
Yes, not all of the republican party is behind SFB but a not insignificant percentage are. They seemingly made a choice and have no idea how to accept that they elected a person of seemingly less than ideal concepts of living, the law, what he’s worth, what he stands for (himself, way above all else) and anything and most everything else negative in the world.
Soprano2
@Kay: What I want is for them to acknowledge that they know that TFG would be worse for their cause than Biden is. HE WOULD BE WORSE. This is knowable. I understand them not wanting to vote for Biden, but I don’t at all understand them actively trying to get TFG elected. They’re delusional if they think TFG would fight Bibi over anything he wanted to do to Palestinians. He kissed Bibi’s ass worse than Biden has.
Hob
@Glidwrith: Because I’m both curious and compulsive, I pulled up the comment threads for literally every BJ post from the last four days. None of them have any occurrence of “nurse” or “antibiotic”. So whatever the comment was, either it wasn’t this weekend, or your description is off somehow.
My experience of hospitals is that they are very legally risk-averse. Of course that doesn’t mean they won’t try to weasel their way out of fuckups. But if there is a sensitive area where there’s a strong chance that they could be blamed for a fuckup, that’s where they’ll pay the most attention to rule-making. Care providers claiming religious objection to treatment is such an area. If a nurse wants to avoid being the one to administer a transfusion due to being a Jehovah’s Witness, that has to be documented out the wazoo in advance, and coordinated through the supervisor so someone else can be found to do it— otherwise that nurse is going to be in a world of hurt, because the hospital has no interest in taking the fall for them. And that’s an example where there’s a very well-known denominational belief directly related to that treatment. For a hospital to be like “well, the antibiotic was ordered by the doc and it’s 100% the standard of care and there’s never been any religious basis for withholding it [except for Christian Scientists for whom no medical care is allowed, but that would be the patient’s decision], and nobody made any attempt to find someone else to give it, but this nurse felt the patient lacked faith, so, whatever” would 1. open them up to immense legal liability, 2. destroy their reputation for patient care, 3. destroy their reputation as a place for doctors and nurses to work.
Ruckus
@lowtechcyclist:
And who else do they have to replace SFB?
The republican party seems to be about 25% against SFB running, no one any better than him seems to even be thinking about running against him, with the knowledge that seemingly the mass of their party is willing to vote for SFB no matter what.
I ask again, who else do they have that would want to run against him? The republican party seems to have screwed themselves – and not in a good way.
Cacti
@Kay: Yes, they tend to be a fairly culturally conservative group. Their present support of the Dem Party was likely born of the fact that Dems haven’t spent the 21st century actively hating and maligning them.
But telling them that their families are expendable for the greater good of Israel has been predictably disastrous.
Ruckus
@JML:
Where is SFB going to go?
He obviously does not have a lot of readily available money – he’s spent most of it paying off stuff or defending himself in court. What country wants him? In this day and age of news that travels nearly at the speed of light – everywhere, who is going to take him? He’s a 77 yr old fart factory, with actually limited funds, very likely is a lot more limited in actual friends than funds, has how many felony charges against him, may not have the ready cash to fuel his plane, and said plane likely has a limited value – as it had a full life as a passenger plane before he bought it, his properties likely have liens on them and may be worth less than he believes – he does seem to over value EVERYTHING – because it’s his (while likely or actually some bank has majority ownership) and on and on. IOW he’s a fake at everything.
Ruckus
@lowtechcyclist:
He never had a need/reason to be that guy before. He obviously thinks this is a very important big deal. He likely knows more about things he’s done or wants to do than you, no matter how much you talk about stuff. Think back to when you were his age. It is a different world out there for him now, just like it likely was for you then. A nice thing is that he wants to do this well, that speaks highly about him and about what he’s learned at home, because that’s a rare thing to learn in school.
Torrey
@TBone:
I congratulate you on resisting the temptation to say, “Just the one cracker? Not much of an appetizer, but OK.”
Soprano2
@Hob: I don’t know which thread it was in, but it was this weekend because I saw it and responded to it. I said I was glad none of the people who took care of my husband in the hospital were like that.
lowtechcyclist
@Kay:
According to this Tufts University study, 50% of 18-29 year olds voted in 2020, up from 39% in 2016.
(It hasn’t been that long since 50% was roughly the turnout for the entire U.S. population over 18 in a Presidential year.)
Anyway, you’re saying that they’ll matter anyway in three of the seven states that the election will turn on. I’d say it’ll be more like all seven.
rikyrah
@Soprano2: \
Not only that, but, he’d deport as many Muslims as possible.
He has already said that.So, when he does, they best shut up and pack their bags.
rikyrah
@rikyrah:
I don’t mean to be brutal, but, when a muthaphucka has shown you what he thinks of you..has already done that to you…has said that one of the first things he’s going to do when he gets into office is DEPORT YOU AGAIN AND INSTITUTE A MUSLIM BAN….
And, you talk about voting for said muthaphucka?
Like I said….don’t whine..don’t complain…and don’t expect for the usual suspects to pick up your cause and fight it the way we did the last time.
Gloria DryGarden
@the pollyanna from hell:
“Nothing that is human is alien to me.“
Glidwrith
@Soprano2:
@Hob:
Ok, finally found it and have access to a computer for the search:
https://balloon-juice.com/2024/04/25/thursday-morning-open-thread-to-boldly-go-2/
Thursday night, #152 commenter Mel in response to Tbone
I’m sure this thread is long dead, but it’s important to back up what’s been said.
KSinMA
@Frankensteinbeck: very late to the thread, but thank you—you’ve put your finger on it.