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Tuesday Monday Evening Open Thread: Nancy Pelosi, Still Fighting the Idiots

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I don’t think whining about how badly the pandemic went for TFG is a winning argument, but sure, Katy Tur, fight for the guy who tried to sicc his mob on you.

Pelosi’s just back a tour of Ireland and Britain:

ETA: Let’s not forget:

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  1. 1.

    Martin

    Re-upping:

    No president has a job record that wasn’t influenced by external factors. How you respond to those factors is what matters. Trump could have gone to a Democratic Congress and said ‘yo, shits bad, we gotta find a way to keep everyone employed’ and Democrats would have come up with something.

    That never happened. FDR just fucking made up things for people to do. That’s a 100% valid solution.

  2. 2.

    Elizabelle

    I am up for any Nancy Smash clips like this one.  Good for pushing back against the MSM goldfish memory types.

  5. 5.

    trollhattan

    My 401(k)s all went to shit when Vlad invaded Ukraine.
    I blame Brandon.
    Fact: all had finally clawed back their Covid 19 losses until the invasion.

  6. 6.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    Tur is such a tool.  Oh right, that’s a prerequisite for that position.  One must graduate from the American School of Feckless Journalism to even have a shot.

    It’s so nice that Nancy SMASH has no more fucks left to give.  Actually, she’s operated that way for a long time now, no wonder she’s effective.

    Best House Speaker ever.  Okay, that’s a *very* low bar to clear.

  7. 7.

    sdhays

    Does Katy Tur mention the pandemic when she’s interviewing anyone complaining about inflation?

  8. 8.

    hrprogressive

    I hate how Katy Tur has morphed into a straight up propagandist for Trump and the corprofascist complex.

    I am pretty sure she didn’t always used to be such a bootlicking sycophant, but if I am misremembering her career, please let me know.

    Also, yeah, a global pandemic wrecked everyone’s shit for several years. Trump’s response was among the worst. Not every country faired nearly as poorly as America did before Biden became president.

    And I still believe had Trump and Co taken it seriously, there’s a nonzero chance he might have been reelected.

    So, yeah.

  9. 9.

    Another Scott

    @Martin: +1

    Obligatory, J.M. Keynes:

    “If the Treasury were to fill old bottles with banknotes, bury them at suitable depths in disused coalmines which are then filled up to the surface with town rubbish, and leave it to private enterprise on well-tried principles of laissez-faire to dig the notes up again (the right to do so being obtained, of course, by tendering for leases of the note-bearing territory), there need be no more unemployment and, with the help of the repercussions, the real income of the community, and its capital wealth also, would probably become a good deal greater than it actually is. It would, indeed, be more sensible to build houses and the like; but if there are political and practical difficulties in the way of this, the above would be better than nothing.”

    ― John Maynard Keynes, The General Theory of Employment, Interest, and Money

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  10. 10.

    Gloria DryGarden

    Isn’t today MONDAY, April 29?? Thread title says Tuesday. I’ll get confused when I come back looking for this.

  11. 11.

    Elizabelle

    @hrprogressive:  Nancy Smash could have also informed that Biden presided over one of the best economic recoveries from Covid, although it’s no doubt a longer interview and she might have gotten to that later.

    I don’t watch cable TV or any of the news programs because you may end up dumber for doing so.  Certainly higher blood pressure.

    That is MSNBC subjecting its viewers to Tur-Key.

  12. 12.

    Spanky

    @sdhays:

    Does Katy Tur mention the pandemic when she’s interviewing anyone complaining about inflation?

    Or the record shattering profits  the oil companies and others sucked in during that inflationary period. Should it even be called “inflation” when it’s a result of pure price gouging and market manipulation?

  14. 14.

    Michael Bersin

    We travelled to Raymore, Missouri on Saturday for a drive-in “sign the petition” to get an initiative on the ballot in Missouri event for women’s health care, women’s reproductive rights, and abortion access. The deadline for submission of the 172,000 or so signatures (I’m betting there’s a lot more) is on May 5th. There’s speculation that if it gets certified it will probably be on the November ballot. It could be on the August ballot.

    I’m thinking that the initiative petition organizers are confident they’ll make the deadline. They received $1,075,000.00 today (per the Missouri Ethics Commission) in total from the ACLU and Planned Parenthood. They’re arming for bear…

  15. 15.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    @hrprogressive:

    https://www.npr.org/2022/06/13/1103933870/msnbc-news-anchor-katy-tur-rough-draft

    She learned her craft at the feet of her piece-of-work parents.

    She covered the Orange Fart Cloud in 2016 and whined massively when he’d turn campaign rallies on the assembled press folks.  That’s pretty much all her “cred”, it ain’t much.

    Another careerist in our Failed Media Experiment.  Again, nice to see Nancy SMASH not having any of that shit.

  16. 16.

    trnc

    “There was a global pandemic.”

    Yes, that DT actively made worse by ignoring the warnings of the Obama administration, disbanding the Global Health Security team, glibly ignoring the mounting death toll, siding with the anti-vaxers and anti-maskers, etc.

  17. 17.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    @Michael Bersin:

    My wife’s Pandora channel still thinks we live back in Central Misery.  The ads are almost exclusively from forced-birther groups talking about “all lives matter” and telling people not to sign the petition.

    JFC.

  18. 18.

    sdhays

    I’m reminded of how W “kept us safe”, as long as you start the clock on 9/12/2001 (and really a month or two after since they never did track down the anthrax terrorist, did they?).

  19. 19.

    Another Scott

    @hrprogressive: Too many in the press think their job is to take the opposition position whenever any Democrat is asked a question.  I heard the same thing on the BBC NewsHour this morning when the host was interviewing Stiglitz on his new book on the dangers of “neo-liberal” economics [ man, I hate that term, but … ] as practiced by the MotU in the USA. Every question was combative, as if it were crazytalk that someone wouldn’t agree that the MotUs were obviously great and the “free market” was what is great about America…

    Good for Nancy SMASH!

    Grr…,
    Scott.

  21. 21.

    FrequentLurker

    Loved the subtle dig at the British, “I’m from Baltimore, the Star Spangled Banner was written there. (while we were fighting British terrorism)”

  22. 22.

    Jeffro

    BREAKING NEWS (the good kind!): Froette has landed herself a summer internship up on Capitol Hill!  But wait!  There’s more:  she’s going to be working in the office of one of our very favorite Congressmen!

    Details to follow but suffice it to say I am stoked, psyched, extremely excited for her!

    She’s already giving me grief about “Take Your Dad to Work Day”.  I PROMISE NOT TO DELVE INTO TOO MUCH ARMCHAIR PUNDIT SHIT, ‘Ette!

  27. 27.

    CHETAN R MURTHY

    @Another Scott: and Warren Buffett observed that that is not a far cry from what obtains today in the practice of gold mining:  people spend enormous quantities of money and effort to dig up and purify gold, only to then bury it elsewhere(haha in vaults)

  28. 28.

    Another Scott

    Laura K’s question fits with her history.  She’s a tool of the Tories and loved hanging out with BoJo.  Nancy SMASH handled that interview very well, also too.

    NewsThump.com* (from2021).

    Grr…,
    Scott.
    —
    * – Satire site kinda like TheOnion

  29. 29.

    mrmoshpotato

    Nancy SMASH is having none of Katy’s defending of the orange shitstain who is responsible for at least 400,000 COVID deaths.

  31. 31.

    Burnspbesq

    Jack Pitney talking sense? He’s obviously been kidnapped by aliens and replaced with a clone.

    (I knew him in undergrad; he was an idiot then, too).

  33. 33.

    Rusty

    It’s particularly  bizarre that the Tory PM’s would laud Trump.  He want to destroy NATO.   British security is heavily dependent on NATO.

  34. 34.

    Tony Jay

    That smarmy “What nonsense is this old woman throwing back in the face of my most excellent zinger?’ expression on Kuenssberg’s face sums up everything terrible about her brand of self-satisfied Tory-scripted ‘journalism’ and the BBC News Establishment that promoted her. She doesn’t understand the answer, but she said something ‘controversial’ and that’s all she’s paid to do.

    One of the simplest ways to measure any ‘News/Politics’ person’s credibility in the UK is to check their view on Kuenssberg. If they defend her record of gaslit bias, especially if they do it by accusing others of misogyny, then they fail and can safely be ignored.

  35. 35.

    Michael Bersin

    @comrade scotts agenda of rage:

    There was a pair of protesters facing the wrong way down the street with “Decline to Sign” signs funded by Missouri “Right to Life”. There were also a couple a zealots who screamed out their car windows in traffic, though they were vastly outnumbered by supportive horn honking and others driving in to sign.

    I photographed the pair of protesters from a distance with a 600 mm lens. When the male in the pair noticed my photographing them he turned away.

  36. 36.

    Scout211

    Her’s some good news: AP News

    CHARLESTON, W.Va. (AP) — West Virginia’s and North Carolina’s refusal to cover certain health care for transgender people with government-sponsored insurance is discriminatory, a federal appeals court ruled Monday in a case likely headed to the U.S. Supreme Court.

    The Richmond-based 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled 8-6 in the case involving coverage of gender-affirming care by North Carolina’s state employee health plan and the coverage of gender-affirming surgery by West Virginia Medicaid.

    . . .

    Similar cases are under consideration in courts across the country, but Monday’s is the first U.S. Court of Appeals decision to consider government-sponsored coverage exclusions of gender affirming medical care — and whether those exclusions are lawful.

  37. 37.

    mrmoshpotato

    I love when stupid questions get batted back with this level of calm vitriol. Nancy Pelosi is a class act.

    How Nancy SMASH didn’t say BoJo and Lettuce Head are both fucking idiots…

  38. 38.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    @Michael Bersin:

    I photographed the pair of protesters from a distance with a 600 mm lens. When the male in the pair noticed my photographing them he turned away.

    Bless his heart.

    I wonder, should this get on the ballot and pass what the whackaloons in the Misery Legislature (Our Motto “We can Out-Kansas, Kansas”) will subsequently attempt to do to thwart it ala the shit they pulled when we all overwhelmingly voted on the puppy mill law.

  39. 39.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Martin:

    No president has a job record that wasn’t influenced by external factors. How you respond to those factors is what matters. Trump could have gone to a Democratic Congress and said ‘yo, shits bad, we gotta find a way to keep everyone employed’ and Democrats would have come up with something.

    That never happened. FDR just fucking made up things for people to do. That’s a 100% valid solution.

    True. But to pile on the orange shitstain – when you are a nepo manchild who has never worked an actual job in your fat, orange, fascist, sad life, and you have sucked Kremlin asshole since at least 1987…

    I think you get my point. Fuck Trump!

  41. 41.

    randy khan

    One of the answers to that kind of thing is to point out that his jobs record wasn’t particularly great *before* the pandemic.  If you want to grade on a big fat curve and exclude the pandemic and also exclude the first year of the Biden Presidency, which is really putting a finger on the scale for Trump, Biden still does much better – Trump had 6.7 million new jobs from February 2017 to February 2020 (37 months), and Biden has had 8 million from February 2022 to March 2024 (26 months).  That’s 1.3 million more jobs in 9 fewer months, or an average of 297 thousand jobs a month versus 181 thousand a month for Trump.  There is literally no way to compare the two on job growth that is not massively favorable to Biden.

  42. 42.

    John Revolta

    So I got to looking up job numbers after reading this and I found out a thing……….. you know how the Fed just REFUSES to consider easing up on interest rates until we get unemployment down to 2% because they say that’s where it should be in a healthy economy or whatever……….. well since 1980 unemployment has NEVER been at 2% or even close! In fact the closest it’s been is 3.57 which was…… um last year, actually.

    I smell a big, fat rat.

  43. 43.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Elizabelle:

    I don’t watch cable TV or any of the news programs because you may end up dumber for doing so. Certainly higher blood pressure. 

    Truth.

  44. 44.

    PAM Dirac

    @John Revolta:

    you know how the Fed just REFUSES to consider easing up on interest rates until we get unemployment down to 2% because they say that’s where it should be in a healthy economy or whatever

    The number the Fed is looking at is inflation at 2%, not unemployment.

  45. 45.

    lowtechcyclist

    @Jeffro:

    Congrats to the Froette!

    She’s already giving me grief about “Take Your Dad to Work Day”.

    Just shows you raised her right. :-D

  46. 46.

    H.E.Wolf

    @Elizabelle: ​@hrprogressive: Nancy Smash could have also informed that Biden presided over one of the best economic recoveries from Covid

     …*during* Covid. Which makes Biden’s achievement that much more remarkable.

    Nancy SMASH in her academic regalia is my newest favorite photo of Madame Speaker. :)

  51. 51.

    Martin

    I’m inclined to give Tur a bit of grace here as she earned that slot by wading through the fetid shithole which was the 2016 Trump campaign tour bus and rally thunderdome and her reporting throughout was quite good and pretty blunt.

    We are all entitled to our occasional dumb-ass hot take. Let’s see if it becomes a pattern.

  53. 53.

    Brachiator

    @Gloria DryGarden:

    Isn’t today MONDAY, April 29?? Thread title says Tuesday. I’ll get confused when I come back looking for this.

    This only adds to my mental confusion. I keep forgetting that April only has 30 days when setting up my to-do lists.

    ETA. I also recently got my Covid booster. It’s made me lightheaded and fatigued. Also a sore arm. Pfizer booster. Don’t remember similar problems with Moderna.

  55. 55.

    RevRick

    @PAM Dirac: And how often do those who are economically uninformed scream about how terrible inflation is and demand that they won’t be happy until prices fall?
    They don’t know how catastrophic deflation is. But then the Great Depression was 90 years ago and most who experienced it are gone.

  57. 57.

    piratedan

    @Martin: originally Martin, I would have agreed, but Ms. Tur applies the 4th estate patina of context free hot-takes into her commentary too often.

    her smile after Nancy Smash’s statement looks more like “I made my point and you didn’t refute it” than “ruefully accepted, but I’m not sure I agree”.

    maybe I’m just overly sensitive when it comes to her, but her whole attitude as if she’s just this political umpire when she’s called out on her track record doesn’t wash with me.

  59. 59.

    Slightly_peeved

    @Rusty:

    Britain’s heavily dependent on the EU, but it didn’t stop them leaving it. The Tories have been governing like they don’t understand object permanence for a while now.

  61. 61.

    No One You Know

    @piratedan:

    Mmm. I went back,  put the full screen on and turned the sound off. I don’t read this expression as “I won.” (I don’t know if I can attach the pic, but it’s the twitch, the downed gaze, and the faintly reddening cheeks that got my attention.) Tur knows who got the outcome.

  65. 65.

    wjca

    @Rusty: It’s particularly  bizarre that the Tory PM’s would laud Trump.  He want to destroy NATO.   British security is heavily dependent on NATO.

    Well, the British economy was heavily dependent on the EU, but they pushed Brexit.  Kind of a pattern there.

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