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Adam L Silverman
And we’re back and at the correctly scheduled time!
Adam L Silverman
Sheriff Joe is in the house!
Baud
Josh
dmsilev
Somebody got his phone back:
rikyrah
I went to see Southside With You.
LOVED IT.
I really did. Didn’t go in with a lot of expectations, but I wound up loving it. People who had seen it all said the same thing – it’s too short. And, I have to agree with that. Yet…that’s what makes it good.
This wasn’t about the totality of the First Couple’s relationship. It was their first date. And, that’s all it was.
Yet, it was so much more. It was beautiful, romantic, without being sappy or mushy. These aren’t two people who fell in love like in the fairy tales. They had to get to know one another.
I think part of the love was that the movie seemed like a love letter to the South Side of Chicago. Outside of one place where they went to talk, it all took place on the South Side of Chicago. I took that to heart.
The actors did very good job, and if you can, get out and see it.
SiubhanDuinne
To think I have relatives in Phoenix who actually like and support and vote for this authoritarian asshole sumbitch piece of shit criminal sorry excuse for a sheriff.
gogol's wife
@rikyrah:
It’s playing here, but I don’t have time this weekend! I hope it’s still here next week. I’ll go for Barack, and my husband will go to see Chicago.
Baud
@SiubhanDuinne: You got the good genes.
redshirt
@dmsilev: Everytime Trump mentions “stamina” I laugh thinking how he hightails it home every night to sleep in his golden bed while Hillary stumps all over the land.
Projection: A Repuke specialty.
eric
@dmsilev: he is right, she was busy in battleground states while trump was after the elusive Mexican electoral vote that has been on hiatus since the Mexican American War. Please proceed.
The Dangerman
@Baud:
Now, THAT would be sweet; first, Romney (Mr. 47%) gets blown up by the wait staff, followed by this potential RF. Please, let it be so.
gogol's wife
@The Dangerman:
Was Jimmy Carter’s grandson anywhere near the president’s mansion?
SiubhanDuinne
@rikyrah:
I also saw it this afternoon, and also loved it! For all the reasons you said, and all the reasons I said in the thread downstairs.
Major Major Major Major
@The Dangerman: I would have recorded it if I were the president. Covertly, of course. Just in case.
Baud
@dmsilev: Lol. He is trying to bait her with a tweet and failing.
dmsilev
So, Trump is going to be giving his Big Speech in front of one of his normal rally crowds? A couple of hours after his Mexican host called him a liar?
Yeah, this is going to get ugly.
schrodinger's cat
If Trump were an immigrant he would have a hard time finding an employer to sponsor him for a green card. I doubt he could pass the citizenship exam either. Some intrepid journalist should quiz him and report the answers.
rikyrah
Bruce Bartlett
@BruceBartlett
Not one Clinton “scandal” would be a scandal if the media did their job & didn’t just repeat baseless right-wing charges without scrutiny.
Peale
Yep. You’re a real bull, there, champ. Your first trip out of the country as a big time candidate. Of course you flew home right away since we know you can’t sleep away from your own bed.
schrodinger's cat
@rikyrah: B2 is on fire these days!
amk
So, donnie dick flew all the way to Mexico just to lie to the Mexicans? And the msm calls it a ‘success’ ?
dmsilev
“Obama apologizing”. So, we’re into reruns then.
EllenH
@rikyrah: I saw it last weekend and loved it too. I thought that Parker Sawyers really captured Barack’s mannerisms and speech cadence.
redshirt
@Peale: He went to Phoenix after, didn’t he? Can he fly home tonight from Phoenix?
Adam L Silverman
@redshirt: He’ll either fly home or go to one of his Trump hotel properties. My guess is the Las Vegas one is the closest and they’ll fly there right after the event. He either goes back to Trump Tower in NY, to Mar e Lago, or to one of the Trump owned or branded properties. He won’t stay anywhere else.
Peale
@redshirt: he’s got a hotel in Vegas.
Baud
@Adam L Silverman:
Example #1,347,936,836,837 of “can you imagine the scandal if Hillary acted like that?”
Adam L Silverman
@Baud: Of course.
Baud
@Adam L Silverman: We really need our own media.
Adam L Silverman
Mayor A Noun, A Verb, and 9-11 is in the House!
Sarah, Proud and Tall
Fuck Guiliani in his arse with a fork.
dmsilev
The Rudy Ghoul has apparated at the podium.
Sarah, Proud and Tall
Fuck Guiliani in his arse with a fork.
ETA: “Courageous trip to Mexico…”. Fuck you, Abner.
JMG
I think it’s getting more obvious Trump will be the next President. The infotainment complex demands it.
Peale
@Baud: yep. I guess he’s going to try to make all the world leaders come to him. We’ll be skipping the g7 if it’s not at one of his properties. I think it would be fair to ask him that.
dmsilev
It’s a tough contest, but I think Rudy is the vilest of the people who have gravitated to Trump.
Sarah, Proud and Tall
So are Syrian refugees good immigrants or rapists?
SiubhanDuinne
I have no idea who that jerk was trying to cheerlead the crowd in half-hearted cries of “Vote Trump” (the guy with the wife wearing an Ace wrist bandage), but once it was clear he was introducing Amerika’s Mayor, I stopped the feed. Someone let me know when Trump actually comes on stage. I have a sick interest in watching the latest pivot, or softening, or whatever word the media are using today to describe his immigration stance.
redshirt
@Adam L Silverman: It would be interesting to plot Trump’s campaign stops in relation to his properties.
schrodinger's cat
So are you guys really watching the speech? I can’t stand Trump for more than 5 min.
SiubhanDuinne
@Adam L Silverman:
On top of all his other neuroses, I suspect he’s very germophobic. How in the world does he expect to be able to spend a single night in the White House, especially with all the Negro Cooties lurking in every room?
dmsilev
@schrodinger’s cat: It’s OK, Giuliani is speaking now.
(and no, that’s not actually any better)
Calouste
@dmsilev: Clinton’s been to more countries than Trump can even name.
dmsilev
Oh goody, the Second Amigo appears.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@schrodinger’s cat: I can barely watch the snippets on the Hayes or Maddow show
Rudi Giuliani: A little man trying to climb on someone else’s balcony.
ETA: I am weak at twitter, but has anyone posted a link to the picture of the bobby pins in Trump’s hair? Patton OSwalt has a link to it.
schrodinger's cat
@dmsilev: Halloween is two months early this year.
Adam L Silverman
Senator Jefferson Beauregard Sessions is in the House!
?BillinGlendaleCA
@schrodinger’s cat: Obviously you have a higher tolerance for BullShit that I do, I can only last 5-10 seconds.
Aleta
Offstage:
Guiliani “Who are you?”
Death “I am Death.”
Guiliani “Have you come for me?”
Death “I have long walked by your side.”
Calouste
@schrodinger’s cat: The amount of time I can stand to listen to Trump is so small the prefix falls outside the SI standards.
dmsilev
@Calouste:
Four?
Baud
@Adam L Silverman: The South shall rise again!
El Caganer
@Sarah, Proud and Tall: “Courageous? “WTF? Did he do a meet-and- greet with the Zetas or something?
schrodinger's cat
@dmsilev: Can he name all 50 states?
Adam L Silverman
@Baud: If you can get Cole to spring for it, I’m happy to go the Bundy trial in Oregon next week and report live from the Multnomah County Courthouse!
Peale
@El Caganer: it isn’t like he’s a school teacher, or could be confused with one.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@SiubhanDuinne:
He is a germophobe, but it’s not just the Negro Cooties, the White House is HAUNTED!
Baud
@schrodinger’s cat: Bet he chokes on New Mexico.
p.a.
Where’s Kerik and Dietl? Prison? Parole? Harassing some black kid over a half-ounce?
Adam L Silverman
@schrodinger’s cat: Try watching while sitting or lying down.
Major Major Major Major
@Adam L Silverman: Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III.
dmsilev
Holy fuck:
Can we send this script out for rewrite? It’s not making any sense and hasn’t for quite some time.
Baud
@Adam L Silverman: Cole’s cheap, but I bet the Bundy addicts here would contribute to a GoFundMe.
Adam L Silverman
@SiubhanDuinne: Its been reported that he has a serious germophobia issue.
Adam L Silverman
Governor Pence is in the House!
Peale
@SiubhanDuinne: well, hopefully we’ll never know. I wonder if he has one of those oxygen beds like Michael Jackson? Or maybe he sleeps in a tanning bed?
Baud
@Adam L Silverman: Maybe Clinton can sneeze on him during the debate?
hovercraft
@Peale:
Skipping, nah he will decree that hence forth all meetings of world leaders must be held at Trump properties, and he’ll charge them great rates folks, great rates, only five times the normal rate.
Adam L Silverman
@Baud: And if it doesn’t subside after 4 hours, please seek immediate medical assistance!
SiubhanDuinne
Jefferson Beauregard Fucking Sessions. Shoot me now.
Adam L Silverman
@Major Major Major Major: The second and third installment is almost never as good as the first one.
eric
@Major Major Major Major: all because you cant really name your kid “Grand Dragon”
seaboogie
@SiubhanDuinne: You don’t always need a polar bear on a tiny ice floe to show you the effects of global warming….feverish stupidity abounds there too.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Adam L Silverman: Bullshit! (I’m a III).
SiubhanDuinne
@Adam L Silverman:
Really? I was being semi-sarcastic. Don’t think I’ve ever read about germ issues with him, although such a phobia would fit very well with all his other (reported!) (alleged!!) pathologies.
Adam L Silverman
Donald Trump is up!
hovercraft
@dmsilev:
It’s a three way tie, Gulliani, Carl Paladino, and Paul LePage.
Mnemosyne
@SiubhanDuinne:
I’m surprised Trump doesn’t walk around with tissue boxes on his feet.
Adam L Silverman
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Its not in your nym. So either produce the long form birth certificate or let it go.
p.a.
Except for the whole fascist thing (that is of course a BIG ‘except’), the tRump Scampaign is at a level that makes the Yippies and their street theater look like kindergarten level stuff.
Adam L Silverman
@SiubhanDuinne: Its been noted in a number of articles.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@SiubhanDuinne: Mika and Joe of the Morning have talked about his phobia and thought that might prevent him from running.
dmsilev
Hey, he’s using a TelePrompter! Isn’t that a sign of degenerate weakness or something?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@SiubhanDuinne: someone retweeted him from the Great Ebola Scare, saying that one good outcome might be an end to shaking hands
I think it was real
Baud
@dmsilev: Only for people bound by the constraints of consistency.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Adam L Silverman: Don’t tempt me, I’ve got the long form cert within 10 feet of me as I type this.
schrodinger's cat
@Mnemosyne: I thought bread bags were the footwear of choice for the cons.
rikyrah
About Colin Kaepernick’s Stance and the Chafed Compatriots
Awesomely Luvvie
August 31, 2016
Colin Kaepernick is the starting quarterback for the San Francisco 49ers, and he is in the middle of a public hailstorm right now. He decided to sit down as the national anthem played before a game, and he has been caught up in the rapture of hate ever since. When asked why he did it, Colin said:
“I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses Black people and people of color. To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.”
Colin’s biological parents were white (mother) and Black (father) but he was adopted and raised by upper class white parents. He can’t pass for white, though. He looks ethnically ambiguous based on how he’s rocking his hair. However, he recognizes that he is a brown/Black man, like Eric Garner, Alton Sterling, Philando Castile, and countless more.
…………………………………………………….
Colin Kaepernick can choose not to stand when the anthem is played. That is the same song that was created when people who look like me were still considered property and not whole humans. The third verse of the Star-Spangled Banner is a musical high five celebrating the deaths of enslaved Black people. They lyrics are:
WELL SHIT. Francis Scott Key was basically a dudebro who was feeling jolly about Black folks dying so he threw that to a terrible tune and went TA-DA! And the powers that be were like “Yes. This must be our country’s theme song.” DAFUQ.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@dmsilev: It’s a sign that he can be Presidential.
Mnemosyne
@Baud:
Sneeze right before they shake hands just to see him cringe away!
hovercraft
@Adam L Silverman:
He makes the secret service wear those booties over their shoes in his apartment. How is that okay, can you run in those, wouldn’t the lose traction.
p.a.
@rikyrah: posted this earlier today.
Adam L Silverman
@hovercraft: some have little grippy strips on the bottoms
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Mnemosyne: Heh, Mind Games.
Helen
3 minutes in and he’s losing the crowd.
Eta: WTF? Hillary is a “thought process?”
Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap
@dmsilev: Very weak stuff.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@hovercraft: We don’t wear shoes here in the cave, it’s an Asian thing in our case.
Adam L Silverman
He’s going to bring the surviving relatives of victims of illegal alien violence on stage with him in a few minutes. He’s going to go full bore tonight. There will be no pivot.
dmsilev
Hillary Clinton is a “horrible horrible thought process”?
schrodinger's cat
@?BillinGlendaleCA: No outside shoes, they are left by the door but slippers are OK.
Mnemosyne
@schrodinger’s cat:
It’s a Howard Hughes reference. Dude was nuttier than a barrel full of squirrels.
dmsilev
@Adam L Silverman: No pivot. Definitely not. There will be a wall, though whether Mexico will pay for it is apparently now being disputed.
schrodinger's cat
@Adam L Silverman: He doesn’t pivot, he revolves around himself.
Adam L Silverman
@Helen: He’s got them back with the airing of the grievances.
Peale
@Adam L Silverman: yep. Let me know when he gets to the part of his immigration policy speech where he deals with the long processing times and family reunification and doesn’t focus on scaring people and making them angry.
Helen
OK so this is not a policy speech. It’s a “be very very askeerd” speech. Same old, same old.
Baud
I wish there were a difference between the parties.
Feebog
Christ on a crutch, is he terrible on the TelePrompter. Turn, read a paragraph, turn, read a paragraph, wooden, out of sync, turn, read a paragraph. Sad.
Mnemosyne
@rikyrah:
In reading about the American Revolution and the War of 1812, it’s fascinating that one of the ongoing disputes between the Americans and the British was that the Americans wanted financial compensation for any slaves who had defected to the British side in either conflict and the British flatly (and rightly!) refused. That was one of the things that my guy Hamilton opposed and was able to make the American government drop in the various treaties with England.
dmsilev
@Peale: Make yourself comfortable, because you’re going to have to wait for a while.
SiubhanDuinne
@Adam L Silverman:
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Missed them all. Oh well.
Trump is now describing grisly crimes with great relish and enthusiasm, and the confused audience can’t figure out whether to moan and boo (because grisly crimes) or cheer and applaud (because relish and enthusiasm). Sad!
schrodinger's cat
@Peale: I don’t think he cares. Doncha know immigrants are at best a burden, they are moochers stealing jawbs and killing people while getting free goodies from the gubmints, except for the skinny models that work for Trump or become his wife.
dmsilev
3 million, 30 million, whatever.
Adam L Silverman
@Helen: Nope, this is not a policy speech. Its a nativist-nationalist speech.
schrodinger's cat
@Helen: Didn’t he give that speech already at his coronation as the nominee of teh party of Lincoln.
Peale
@dmsilev: 30 million what?
Mnemosyne
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
We have a split — G wears shoes in the house, I never do. Our house growing up had beige carpets, so we always had to take our shoes off indoors.
Baud
@Adam L Silverman: Pivot deferred is pivot denied.
Adam L Silverman
@SiubhanDuinne: Yep, they’ll work it out eventually.
mike in dc
Trump tripling down on the asshole factor tonight.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@schrodinger’s cat: Yup.
hovercraft
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
My parents are from Zimbabwe, and we’ve never worn shoes in the house, I think my Mom picked it up from her years in Canada.
seaboogie
@dmsilev: Sister Sarah is getting royalties off of that one, and pissed off that they didn’t find room for “too”.
sigaba
@dmsilev:
Would I be too dark if I noticed this is basically just a an old race separatism trope? “I don’t hate Mexico, I just believe in America for the Americans and Mexico for the Mexicans!”
cckids
@schrodinger’s cat: My husband is watching it, and I’m going to have to leave. F*ck Trump. I cannot listen to the utter BS any more.
dmsilev
@Peale: Undocumented immigrants. He was like “maybe it’s 11 million, maybe 3, maybe 30, who knows?”
Adam L Silverman
@sigaba: No. That’s the point. And it was the same point Trump made as he was starting his speech by stating that Pena Nieto loved his country as much as Trump loves America.
eric
@dmsilev: johnny dangerously in the house.
SiubhanDuinne
Is anybody else creeped out by the way he says “thank you” in response to noisy repetitive chants of “U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.!”?
raven
New Fox poll!
hovercraft
@Feebog:
But the media keeps telling me how good he is since he started using the telepromter.
Peale
@dmsilev: yep. It’s that thing where the anti-immigration folks claim to be talking about illegal immigrants (and how can you favor that) using statistics that let you know that they’re talking about all immigrants regardless of status.
Aleta
The immigrants we will accept “must love us.” Says the guy who is so drunk on hate it’s coming out of his pores.
schrodinger's cat
@dmsilev: He can label anyone he doesn’t like “undocumented”. I have read some horror stories about citizens getting caught in an ICE dragnet languishing for months in detention centers till they can prove they are citizens.
redshirt
@Mnemosyne: Dedicated indoor shoes is the compromise solution.
lamh36
But uh, wait…nvrmind
Ok Trump voters, I’m done arguing w/idiots. Obvious that even if Trump kills and eats someone on camera, you’re still likely to vote for him
dmsilev
Wall. Great.
Mexico will pay. Of course.
Adam L Silverman
Here comes the policy
dmsilev
Trump has a plan to protect us from Mole Man.
Peale
@Aleta: it sounds so…emotionally needy.
Mnemosyne
@redshirt:
I hate wearing shoes in the house. We have cats who like to walk underfoot and get upset if their kitty toesies or tails get stepped on. If I’m in socks, I can tell I’m stepping on them before anyone gets hurt.
schrodinger's cat
@Aleta: How does one prove this “love”?
Seanly
LOL, still gonna build the wall. Oh, and Mexico will pay for it. LOL.
Crowd is full of a lot of delusional muthafuggas.
The Dangerman
I haven’t been watching him for a while; has he been this worked up lately? He’s on something (could be just Red Bull, but it’s something).
hovercraft
@Mnemosyne:
We were never allowed shoes indoor, if my parents were having a fancy party, then of course shoes were allowed, but for three days afterwards my mother would be scrubbing the floors and vacuuming, the house wasn’t deemed clean until every floor had been cleaned at least twice. She’s not a germaphobe, she just has a thing with the floors, which she passed on to my two sisters and me.
PhoenixRising
@rikyrah: Awesome. Luvvie talks Kaep.
Also too, can I get someone to tell me what to say to social media idiots who assert that, being half white and raised by/among whites, he’s a traitor to his family for noticing that he’s Black? Honestly, ‘you are too ignorant to leave the house alone’ isn’t working well to move minds. I just can’t get my mind to a place where I have a coherent sound bite.
Why in the hell would I want my adopted child to grow up not to know what she is, what race is, what it means and that fighting white supremacy by seeing what is in front of her adorable little nose, and resisting when she can, is literally the least of her rent to pay for living in this world?
Why wouldn’t I perceive that she would not be my child if racism didn’t exist; that my job is to put well-meaning white folks who want to save brown babies out of that job through social justice; and that the only way to get there from here is to fight racism?
That is my job. Raise ’em up. And while Colin’s birth mom has tooted her horn, the adoptive parents who had to get a license to raise that baby are keeping quiet…possibly because they approve? Or alternatively because they know he has had to learn hard truths their other (white) children need never wrestle with, and therefore they don’t get a voice in this?
It’s hard having a child who is required, by the circumstances of her upbringing, to walk across a bridge to a place I can only visit as an invited guest but can never belong. She has to learn something we can’t teach her: How to be a brown woman in a racist nation. The idea that he cannot cross that bridge into adulthood as a member of his race, because they raised him, is just perplexing and offensive and painful.
dmsilev
So far, I’m hearing “open season on brown people”.
Helen
What’s he doing quoting “federal data?” I thought allla those numbers are bullshit. “No one knows what the numbers are” Right?
Mnemosyne
@Peale:
They all do. It’s weird. American millionaires are pissed off because we’re supposed to LOVE them and instead we keep treating them like ordinary human beings.
(Obviously, this doesn’t apply to people like Bill Gates who seem perfectly happy to do charity work without demanding expressions of LOVE from everyone.)
Baud
@dmsilev: that’s what “Make America Great Again” means when you translate it from dig whistle.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@The Dangerman: Probably his “diet pills”.
dmsilev
@Baud: It’s pretty frightening to listen to. There are a whole long list of demagogues that came to power by attacking and demonizing The Other, and Trump is going down that path.
hovercraft
@lamh36:
Well Jose Diaz-Balart did suggest that if Nieto is telling the truth, he would not bee surprised to see and video or at the very least audio of the meeting ‘leak’ onto state media.
Seanly
Does Trump think that only immigrants commit crime? He’s like the stupidest things my late FIL said all collected and come to life.
p.a.
@Mnemosyne: never bought the book (it was written by 2 lawyers, not historians), but a book from several years ago made the claim that a not-minor driving force of American independence was the continentals seeing/believing slavery was on the way to being outlawed in the British Empire. I believe the impetus in GB picked up force in the early 19th century, but I don’t know its status in 1750’s-1780’s.
rikyrah
@johnlegend 16s17 seconds ago
Some people talk to Americans of color like they own the place and WE should be grateful guests. We own the place together, buddy. Sorry.
Aleta
@schrodinger’s cat: highest bidders get highest immigration status?
Helen
“They will be placed into immediate removal proceedings, if we even need to do that”
Is he gonna kill them first?
hovercraft
@Adam L Silverman:
I think you mean “policy”.
Baud
@dmsilev: On the other hand, emails…
Regine Touchon
I just can’t . He is more than horrible. My daughter every day says to me how more horrible can he get? She works for the Hillary campaign. Op-research. As I watch this man I shudder.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Aleta: Isn’t that how Rupert Murdoch became a citizen?
SiubhanDuinne
Man, I tried, I really did, but I just can’t.
dmsilev
So there will be a Deportation Force. Will they get snazzy brown shirt uniforms?
mike in dc
Haven’t heard about the non-criminal undocumented immigrants and what happens to them yet.
The Dangerman
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
I heard those special diet pills were cheap in Mexico. Explains so much….
Regine Touchon
@Helen: I know did he say that? More importantly what did he mean by that?
Misterpuff
Shorter drumpf: More LEOS = open war on Brown peeppuls.
Waiting for “And damn it just speak English!”
?BillinGlendaleCA
@dmsilev: No, black ones with lightning bolts.
ETA: Designed by the best designer, very classy!
Seanly
@mike in dc: Apparently every immigrant is a criminal so such people don’t exist.
Helen
“Thugs” Oh shit he’s talking about brown and black Americans now.
rikyrah
“to mute a slave as always been to the interest of the slave owner…
When Black folks raised in protest against oppression, those who are comfortable with our oppression are the first to speak out for daring to speak against it”
—Harry Belafonte.
Old Dan and Little Anne
Hmmmmmm….Red Meat…..
Peale
@mike in dc: they won’t be considered central to his policy, which was an odd thing to say. He slammed them for being poorly educated moochers and promised that they’d never get a dime of obamacare (as if anyone would if he took office and it were repealed), but non criminal moochers aren’t scary enough.
Jeffro
My bad – I put a couple Trump/speech comments in the Walter thread above and deprived everyone of my wisdom here (not).
This guy is unreal. The combination of actual numbers/peoples’ names plus his usual Trumpian ranting is causing real whiplash for me…it’s like sane-sounding/loon, sane-sounding/loon.
“By the way folks she will be a disaster for our country…don’t forget the Supreme Court…don’t forget the 2nd Amendment…don’t forget building up our depleted military…” and on and on
Don…have some more KFC, please…
Mnemosyne
@p.a.:
It was probably heading in that direction — Somerset v Stewart decided in 1772 that chattel slavery (i.e. slavery that one was born into) was incompatible with English common law, though slaves in other parts of the British empire weren’t freed until at least the 1830s.
iTunes U has a free course on the Civil War taught by David Blight, who’s probably the pre-eminent Civil War scholar right now. He has a lot of great information about how American slavery hardened into the “peculiar institution” while Europe was moving towards banning it.
Helen
He’s gonna block funding for sanctuary cities? No problem. We in NYC will gladly keep our money that goes to the feds.Tired of paying South Carolina’s bills.
dmsilev
@Old Dan and Little Anne:
…with just a few maggots.
bluefish
This guy is nuts. I expect the Mexicans recorded today’s backdoor coffee klatch. Trump has walked into a lie with a head of state on the other side of the ledger. He knows nothing of diplomacy and how traps are laid for boorish neighbors. He’s unschooled in the history of Mexico obviously and its long tradition of French diplomatic strategy. He hates all elites and fails to grasp that he will never break that glass ceiling. The speech he’s giving now is another Nuremberg rally. The cops know who”these people” are. Today is a huge embarrassment for the USA.
EPN did us a favor. If the American press were more sophisticated this debacle could be more adequately analyzed as the grotesque spectacle it is. The Ugly American in Mexico City. Good luck with that.
Extreme vetting. He’s going to experience it himself.
Misterpuff
Non-criminal “illegals” can get thrown out if they are on the Welfare teat – even if they are raising American “Anchor Baby” citizens, I assume.
Teat is just for rednecks and agri-business, I assume also.
dmsilev
Extreme vetting. A new reality show coming to Animal Planet this fall… (sorry)
Jeffro
An “ideological certification”?!?
Oh my
dmsilev
So, umm, Presidential and moderate and serious, right?
dmsilev
@Jeffro: Perhaps the House could convene a Committee to investigate Un-American activities and thoughts?
Peale
@Helen: safe move, though. He’s not getting many votes in those cities so threatening them probably doesn’t cost anything. But honestly, threatening places where potential voters live might not be really winning strategy.
mike in dc
Now the anti-Muslim stuff.
chopper
@Baud:
wait, there’s a New Mexico?
Helen
This shit ain’t funny anymore.
From this moment forward any media person who plays the both sides do it card should be shunned and fired.
THIS SHIT AIN’T FUNNY ANYMORE.
PhoenixRising
@chopper: Kinda. The border crossed us.
Jeffro
The almost hysterical thing is the way Trump keeps talking about Obama, Clinton, and “our leaders” as ‘stupid’.
And really, who would know better than Trump?
Aleta
@?BillinGlendaleCA: And there’s this, along with this.
chopper
@Peale:
he sleeps on a big pillow of pig fat to keep his skin soft and supple. read it in Newsweek.
CaseyL
@dmsilev:
I’d watch that.
“Giving pills to cats: Watch the professionals do it, with this very large, very pissed off Maine Coon.”
“PT for English Sheepdogs: How to find the meridians under all that hair.”
“Getting your Type A Working Dog to Chill: Meditation for the canine set.”
I would totally watch that.
cckids
@SiubhanDuinne:
The whole of Trump is a creeped-out feeling made manifest.
Omnes Omnibus
@Aleta: Was Death wearing an “I’m with Stupid” t-shirt?
Old Dan and Little Anne
@dmsilev: A few? I’ve been watching between innings of a baseball game. Disgusting.
Irony Abounds
Any notion of American exceptionalism is laughable when you consider this POS is the nominee of a major political party. There aren’t enough negative adjectives to describe just what an odious, disgusting human being Trump is.
Peale
@dmsilev: he’s hitting every far right immigration talking point. But he’s threatening cities like he’s running for a rural congressional district in Oklahoma.
Jeffro
@dmsilev:
Yes, exactly…it’s like you read my mind!
I’m picturing Clinton walking Trump (and debate audiences) through all of this nonsense in October. Trump: whaddya mean, they might lie and say they’re not Muslim? Media: both sides have a point!
eric
@cckids:it is an offering for sacrifice to the God of Hate.
lamh36
right…and any LGBT individual who falls for lines like that…smh
Seanly
Trump is a complete asshole. I can’t take any more of this hateful BS.
Miss Bianca
@Omnes Omnibus: OK, been a bit of a dark day but *that* finally got a laugh out of me.
Peale
@Jeffro: I really doubt anyone from certain countries will pass the test. I believe the point of the test is that it can’t be passed.
Jeffro
“If companies want to leave the US…there’s gonna be consequences…it’s not gonna be so easy, believe me…it’s not gonna happen…there will be consequences…”
Ok, Lil’ Corleone!
lamh36
David Byron Hopson
Sounds like a Nuremburg Rally, but with a asphasiac Hitler.
Suzanne
Sorry, y’all, I’m not there to protest.
I am watching so that if I see anyone I know, I can avoid them forever.
dmsilev
Misterpuff
Exception to policy: Cute young Slovenians
Peale
@lamh36: yep. The whole “and we’re going to take them really far away, not just over the border” crap was like how you’d deal with a captured opossum or mouse.
dmsilev
@lamh36: I know Hitler analogies are sort of lazy, but there’s a real correspondence there. Just substitute “Jew” for “Mexican”.
Sarah, Proud and Tall
America First? Trump is against US participation in World War Two?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I think she got to him
Jeffro
@Peale: Oh, absolutely. If you say you’re against America, you’re out. If you hesitate when you answer, you’re out. If you say you love this country, you have to eat bacon, burn a Quran, and even then we know you’re probably faking just to get in.
I think it’s time to walk the dog, and then recommit tomorrow to GOTV. Registering new voters + more donations up and down the ticket. Whatever it takes.
“They have to come in the country legally and after being extremely vetted and in a manner that (wait for it) serves…the National Interest…”
#ImAboutToGodwinHere
redshirt
Has an election ever been such a clear example of good versus evil than this one?
Jeffro
@dmsilev: you beat me to it…
Jeffro
“Gangs will plummet and gangs are already all over the place…we will have a peace dividend…we’re going to rebuild the inner cities(?!)…”
Hello media, time to think about this whole ‘both sides’ thing…
SiubhanDuinne
Seems to be slouching towards peroration.
Was there anything really new in the “policy” outlined tonight? It all sounded depressingly familiar.
Sarah, Proud and Tall
Fuck. This is insane.
All illegal immigrants would have to leave the US and apply for entry from overseas
Adam L Silverman
1) Build a great wall along the southern border.
a) And Mexico will pay for the wall.
b) Above and below ground sensors for/on the wall, towers, aerial surveillance, and manpower to keep out the cartels.
c) Mexico will work with us.
2) We will end catch and release.
a) Anyone who illegally crosses the border will be detained and removed back to the countries from which they came.
b) And not dropped just across the border, but great distances – back where they came from.
3) Zero tolerance for criminal aliens.
a) We will begin moving the 2 million criminals out day 1 as soon as I take office.
b) In local operation with local and state law enforcement.
c) Day 1, my first hour in office, those people are gone.
4) We will issue detainers for illegal immigrants who are detained for any crimes and they will be put into deportation immediately.
a) We will repeal the Obama Administration executive orders immediately.
b) We will cooperate closely with local jurisdictions to remove criminal aliens immediately.
c) Restore the Secure Communities Program and expand and revitalize the 287G partnerships to identify 100s of 1,000s of illegal aliens in local jails.
5) On my first day in office I will ask Congress to pass Kate’s Law named for Kate Steinle. And the Officers Davis and Oliver bill to ensure that criminal aliens are swiftly identified and removed.
6) Triple the number of ICE deportation officers.
a) Create, within ICE, a new special deportation task force to identify illegal aliens that have evaded justice.
7) Hire 500,000 more Border Patrol agents and put them on the border instead of behind desks.
a) Expand the number of Border Patrol stations significantly.
8) Block funding for sanctuary cities (block here means to stop funding to any municipalities that declare themselves sanctuary cities, not block funding as in block grants).
9) Cancel unconstitutional executive orders and enforce all immigration laws. Immediately terminate President Obama’s two illegal amnesties. All immigration laws will be enforced.
10) Suspend the issuance of visas to any place where adequate cannot occur.
a) Extreme Vetting.
b) Countries from which immigration would be suspended would include places like Syria and Libya.
c) Resettle the refugees in safe zones in their own countries that will be paid for by the Gulf (Arab) states.
d) New screening tests, including an ideological certification.
11) We will ensure that other countries take their people back when we order them deported.
12) Institute a biometric entry/exit visa system.
a) On air, land, and sea.
13) Turn off the jobs and benefits magnets for illegal immigrants. Ensure that e-verify is used to the maximum allowed by law and work with Congress to expand it.
14) Reform illegal immigration to serve the best interests of America and its people, specifically its workers.
a) Ensure assimilation, integration, and upward mobility.
b) Establish a new Immigration Commission to reform immigration goals – set limits within historic norms, ensure assimilation of immigrants and their ability to be self sufficient. Choose immigrants based on merit, skills, and proficiency.
c) Sunset visa laws to force Congress to periodically revisit them in order to update and revise them to ensure they’re up to date.
(He says he’s got ten steps. I got 14 based on what he was talking about)
Peale
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: it’s not any more unhinged than what he gave at the convention or in Erie PA or Bristol CT.
dmsilev
@Jeffro:
Never.
Elie
Seriously — The President of Mexico was used as a launching pad for this horrendous person. That was my fear last night — that he did not know what he had opened with the invitation to Trump and that he outcome was going to be bad for him because the positioning would favor Trump. I was open that he could maybe finagle something crosswise if he went on the attack, but he did not and he was a weak looking loser compared to Trump and Trump is gonna use him. …. I am very unhappy about this…. very. Nieto is a fool
Misterpuff
“Peace Dividend”? Really or is the fight to crush ISIS going use it or perhaps pocketed by his fellow plutocrats….Ain’t gonna be no dividend!
Persia
@Sarah, Proud and Tall:
Well, yes, that seems very consistent with Trump’s general stances. Think Lucky Lindy.
Misterpuff
Crappiest policy speech evah.
redshirt
@Adam L Silverman: HEY! Those are policies!
Insane policies, but nonetheless….
Adam L Silverman
@Mnemosyne: You’ve never read a Microsoft update agreement…
eric
@dmsilev: @dmsilev: the word you are looking for is “Unpossible”
amk
@Adam L Silverman: You could have just said batshit crazy.
rikyrah
Joy ReidVerified account@JoyAnnReid
Idea of a commission to select “desirable” immigrants “with a high likelihood of success” is straight up alt-right push for Europeans only.
redshirt
@Elie: Nieto is toast. The PRI might actually break because of this.
dmsilev
OK, so now he just read out loud the contents of a tweet he made a couple of hours ago.
Peale
@Adam L Silverman: 14 I think is about legal immigration, not illegal immigration.
rikyrah
Ed Sweeney
@KnobbyBurton
Not joking: I am absolutely TERRIFIED by what I’m seeing from @realDonaldTrump right now. TERRIFIED. Holy shit…
bmoak
Hillary will carefully and thoroughly point out the racism and unAmerican-ness of this speech, and Trump will say that Hillary is the one that’s racist and unAmerican. Then the media headlines and talking heads will all say “Clinton, Trump Accuse Each Other of Racism” and Hillary will drop in the polls and her unfavorables will rise because “independent” people will sniff at her unseemly tone and why oh why can’t she discuss policy instead of getting into a mudslinging match with Trump? So it is and so it shall ever be.
Adam L Silverman
@Helen: did you mean shunned or stunned?
dmsilev
@Adam L Silverman: Well, it is a set of policies. That is true.
mike in dc
@rikyrah:
African immigrants are the most highly educated, financially successful group of recent immigrants, in the aggregate. So I’m not sure that would work out the way they think it will.
Peale
@rikyrah: yep. Hence the “historic norms”. Fuck you, Asians. You can stay in Guam.
Omnes Omnibus
@Miss Bianca: Glad I could help.
Miss Bianca
@Omnes Omnibus: And the right music, the yugest, classiest musical accompaniment for that crack…the best music.
Prescott Cactus
@David Byron Hopson:
When do the trials start ?
Adam L Silverman
@amk: I was being thorough.
bmoak
I’m gonna go take a shower and watch some Steven Universe to wash the grimy feeling out of my body and mind.
I Am Not King Jon Snow
Ann Coulter loved this speech, by the way, which is a huge relief. That virtually guarantees it will be politically toxic.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
SiubhanDuinne
Happily, it ain’t just us. Checked my FB for the first time since this speech started and found this:
Omnes Omnibus
Recent peeve: The President of Mexico’s surname is not Nieto. It is Pena Nieto.
dmsilev
Peale
@Jeffro: Jesus. I’d make a joke about running out the coloreds to build Trump hotels, but I’m not sure that isn’t what he means.
Aleta
@Jeffro:
Since he’s infallible in his head. Talk about dangerous. DJ takes the cake.
Adam L Silverman
And here are the Angel Families. He’s going to wave them like a bloody shirt.
Joe in Detroit
This parade of parents is ghoulish. Utterly ghoulish.
Persia
Interesting to see how many of these innocently murdered Americans were killed with guns. But obviously that has nothing to do with anything.
Suzanne
This is so morbid and fucked.
mike in dc
Fascism is here, wrapped in the flag and wearing a horrible toupee.
Emma
@Elie: Please. They set him up. Now Pena saying he told him to bugger off about paying for the wall and having witnesses. More to the point, if you think the speech was going to be nicer if he hadn’t met with Pena, you haven’t been watching Trump for long enough.
Aleta
@redshirt: 2004
Miss Bianca
@Adam L Silverman: Oh, Adam, a star upon your brow for listening to all that and actually making something as close to coherence as possible out of some authentic border gibberish.
That being said, can we just start screaming “U!S!A! Uber Alles!” and be done with all this, like, nuance, man?
Suzanne
@Omnes Omnibus: Peñññññññña Nieto, to be pedantic.
Irony Abounds
@Prescott Cactus: Unfortunately, that isn’t a joke. Look for libel suits against journalists and there will be some sort of anti-sedition trials. It may take a village to raise a child, but it only takes a Trump to ruin the USA.
Emma
@Suzanne: You can do it! I’ve forgotten how to make the tilde. Bah humbug.
Peale
So I thought the point of the trip to Mexico was in part to delay the start of the speech so that it would be in prime time when people aren’t working, unfiltered by media, because his team thinks the media has been killing rather than covering for him. I don’t think this speech helped. Im glad it was carried when folks aren’t working.
Misterpuff
Drumpf uses the P word, sez OK to look at the polls again
Gin & Tonic
@SiubhanDuinne: What saddens me is that it’s taking foreigners like Enrique Peña Nieto (perhaps unwittingly) and Serhiy Leshchenko (definitely wittingly) to save the US from itself.
Adam L Silverman
Now he’s going to work the refs using the tragedy of these people as leverage.
rikyrah
David NoriegaVerified account
@drnoriega
Reminder: Claim that US faces an immigrant crime wave is false; group pushing idea is tied to white nationalists
gogol's wife
OT but not really, I just listened to Gil Scott-Heron, “The Revolution Will Not Be Televised.” Brilliant. Everyone should listen to it once a day.
SiubhanDuinne
@Suzanne:
Pedañtic.
Omnes Omnibus
@Suzanne: Yes. That is true. I also don’t remember how to do the Romanian “T with a tail” that makes a ts sound.
Aleta
@Peale: His team members are cold-blooded killers and going for broke now.
mike in dc
If this doesn’t pump Latino turnout to record levels, absolutely nothing will.
Elie
@Emma:
Hmmm… I may not have been clear…. I don’t think that the meeting factored in the early assessment by Trump, but became a pop up opportunity for a politician (Nieto) who got used inadvertently but opportunistically. Pena loses if he looks like he is doing damage control — which he does. As for my expectations of Trump — they could not be lower, but I recognize that he got the measure of his mark on this one, and took full advantage — sadly.
Peale
@Elie: well the good news is that Pena himself is not an honest man or a good man. So it’s not like his loss is somehow sad.
Mai.naem.mobile
Trump is just such an ugly ugly human being. I don’t understand how somebody who’s had everything handed to him on a platter can be such an asshole.
dmsilev
Is our media learning?
lamh36
CNN follows Trump’s Klan speech with Trump’s paid staffer. Lawrence O follows with Bill Kristol…smh.
Said it in an earlier thread, but I’ll say it again for the cheap seats… MEDIA TODAY IS TRASH!
Adam L Silverman
@rikyrah: Yep, he specifically cited John Tanton’s Center for Immigration Studies (CIS), which is a race realist/white supremacist/anti-immigrant organization.
lamh36
Emma
@Elie: oops. My misread. Sorry. Well, El Presidente has the Wild Hunt out for his blood, so the stunt backfired.
Gin & Tonic
@Omnes Omnibus: This one? Ț
Kay
Lewandowski works for Trump and CNN.
Boy, today was a new low. How many hours of free advertising did Trump get? 10 solid hours? Is that a record?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Bill Kristol on MSNBC.
Omnes Omnibus
@Gin & Tonic: That’s it.
Persia
As soon as it was obvious it wasn’t a ‘policy speech’ they should’ve cut it off and gone home.
On the upside this will do no favors to Trump in Utah.
Suzanne
@Omnes Omnibus: ɨ̧?
SiubhanDuinne
@Emma:
I’m oñ the iPad añd I do it by hölding døŵń thę łettér I wåñt ańd çhôòšîñg frōm thê óptïõñś.
redshirt
@Adam L Silverman:
No one has.
Miss Bianca
@mike in dc: Part of me wonders if that was Pena’s intention…
TS
All is good – Bill Kristol thinks the Mexico event was a great event for Trump
Mnemosyne
@Adam L Silverman:
At least Steve Jobs made the trains run on time!
Adam L Silverman
@Persia: No. You want maximum sunlight on what he’s saying, how he’s saying it, how his audiences/supporters respond to it.
Helen
MSNBC needs to go fuck off. I can’t fathom Corey Lewandowski on CNN and FOX has Sean Hannity talking to Laura Ingraham. Now Lawrence has Bill Kristol talking about what a great day today was for Trump. REALLY???
ETA: Now Kristol is smirking at Eugene Robinson. Beautiful you assholes.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Mnemosyne: Someone else did that too.
eric
@Kay: i dont see that as a plus for Trump. there are ONLY two ways he wins and they are related…(1) tear down hillary and (2) depress turn out. the people who are voting for donald trump are already on the bus. he has to stop the Hillary people from getting on her bus. Today does not help him.
Gin & Tonic
@Omnes Omnibus: Turns out that this one – Ţ – is not the same Unicode character as this one – Ț. You’ll probably need your reading glasses.
Emma
@bmoak: Stop. Stop this implying that the media is the ruler of us all. It’s bloody well coming close to just giving up.
Adam L Silverman
@Mnemosyne: And made them stylish too!
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Helen: Looks like I picked the right week to stop watching cable TV.
Peale
@Helen: I guess since the speech didn’t mention Jews, he’s good now.
bmoak
Let’s see what the New York Times thinks!
@alexburnsNYT
“The point of the speech: Back off rounding up of 11 million people, per se, while embracing a conventionally hardline immigration platform”
Nothing to see here, America! Trump is moderating his positions and looking Presidential, so let’s get back to more questions about the Clinton Foundation and Hillary’s health problems!
cynthia ackerman
Almost 300 in and no one has called out the fringed/tassled flags?
lamh36
here’s all we need to know about the Klan speech just given by Trump
Omnes Omnibus
@Suzanne: Yes.
pat
I have to think that if there are fact-checkers assigned to this speech they are sobbing into theirs arms on their desks right now.
eta: Every fucking sentence? really?
Sob.
Persia
He basically said all those people ‘had to go!’ Those were his words! What is this ‘back off’ and ‘softening?’ I feel like I’m taking crazy pills!
EDIT: Kristol is such an asshole. Voters are going to change their minds because they saw Trump standing at a lectern ‘like President Obama does’? Whuuuuuuut the fudge ripple.
Kay
@Persia:
They’re normalizing it. Trump is now “conventionally hardline”. per se They literally put words in his mouth to make it sound as if he has a “policy”. All of the commentary on Trump is like this- he bellows out some gibberish and they all rush to color it in. They’re creating him.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
OTOH, he ain’t called Wrong-Way because he gets lost driving.
Kay
@Persia:
I agree. They now just supply him with policy positions. He could stand up there and recite the alphabet and they’ll happily invent what he said.
Adam L Silverman
@cynthia ackerman: SRV did.
(OT – Sent you an email offline. Hope it was not out of bounds.)
Peale
@Kay: yep. It’s now conventionally hardline to talk about allowing local police to clean up a dangerous situation.
redshirt
@Persia: Even “Liberal MSNBC” thinks Trump is surging!
LAC
Bill Kristol. The number of fuck offs directed at that smirking know nothing douche rag is in the billions.
Kay
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
He’s calling for his political opponent to be jailed again. That’s okay now I guess. A month ago it was controversial. Now it’s just another day on the campaign trail.
eric
@Kay: i have to defend the media in the following way…..you cant normalize Trump unless the audience lets you. blame your fellow Americans first. they want the demagogic trump. should the media perpetuate the fraud? no, and i agree they bear some blame. but this hate fest falls at the feet of far too many “ordinary” white americans.
bmoak
And here’s MSNBC!
@aseitzwald
“Both candidates most extreme on immigration in their party’s recent history. Neither have pivoted.”
Both sides!
OK, time to hit the shower.
Helen
LOLGOP just tweeted the question of the year. “How can someone who has had it so easy be so angry at people who have had it so hard?”
Mnemosyne
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Interestingly, he didn’t. It was all propaganda.
Trentrunner
@eric: I’m curious: Why no capital letters?
gogol's wife
You guys are depressing the hell out of me.
Omnes Omnibus
@eric: Bullshit.
Villago Delenda Est
@Aleta: I’m afraid I’m going to go into the Sir Terry pedant mode:
Offstage:
Guiliani “Who are you?”
Death “I AM DEATH.”
Guiliani “Have you come for me?”
Death “I HAVE LONG WALKED BY YOUR SIDE.”
eric
my name? it is the way i began signing emails years ago….to avoid the extra effort of the shift key, i suppose. i still sign my emails that way way even for most of my professional emails. my last homage to a time when fitting in was anethma to me,
Peale
I realize thaT this is a quibble, but how many border control agents do we actually have now? He’ll hire 500,000 more. That’s larger than any branch of the armed forces. That’s hiring almost as many border control agents as there are police officers.
Does anyone ask if Mexico will pay for thT, too?
Kay
@redshirt:
Well, Clinton is boring and she has poor email server management skills so it’s understandable they’re promoting the racist lunatic and his loony tumes entourage,right?
As we have discovered the defining qualification for a US President is proper server management. Sloppy email storage? Disqualifying.
lamh36
eric
@Omnes Omnibus: how so? people want to hear the things that Trump tells them…they think it and say it in private. he allows the, to come out and be proud of their feelings. Seeing an entire trump rally should be more than enough to turn anyone off, but it doesnt even when unfiltered by the media. in fact, they were downplaying him while he grew in the primary. he feeds of the latent hate in his audience.
Aimai
@hovercraft: saw a great play by a zimbabwean/american playwright–“Familiar.” I just was bowled over by it. Would have sat through it twice.
Kay
@Peale:
The number doesn’t mean anything. He lies constantly. The entire speech was lies. He’s been telling the same lies since March. Just pick a number. It’s fantasy anyway.
Mnemosyne
I don’t even remember how I originally stumbled on this, but if you have 15 minutes to spare, here’s some post-WWII anti-bigotry propaganda called “Don’t Be A Sucker!”
Sharp-eyed Lubitsch fan will spot the great character actor Felix Bressart in a cameo as a German teacher who is dragged out of his classroom by Nazi thugs.
Omnes Omnibus
@gogol’s wife: There is a tendency on the left of center to either distrust politics entirely and assume that politicians will fuck them over (leftists) or to believe the good fight will be fought, but the good guys will lose (liberals). It comes from 50 years of fighting defensive actions against a resurgent Right. The way to beat ii is simple. Stop cowering. Play strong defense where needed and move forward wherever one can.
Peale
@Kay: I thought they’d cut her some sack becAuse at least she wasn’t riling up her supporters to attack the press. But apparently they like that. A lot.
Kay
@lamh36:
You wonder how it happens and then you watch this and think “oh, THIS is how it happens! They just gradually normalize it and before you know it he can say or do anything”.
He could surround himself with hooded Klan members and they’d find a way to excuse it.
redshirt
@Kay: Trump could shoot a Klansman and the Klan will still vote for him.
lamh36
@Kay: it’s damn ridiculous…smh
Peale
@bmoak: extreme what? What the fuck is Hillary doing that’s extreme on immigration?
rikyrah
Charles M. Blow ✔ @CharlesMBlow
You might argue that Trump has had a good 10 day, but THIS SPEECH is scary AS HELL! This will not woo moderates. This is some scary ish…
9:19 PM – 31 Aug 2016
Kay
@Peale:
The martyrdom has reached the point where it’s just weird. “Here, look at this clip of Trump supporters screaming at me!” Trump pointed out one of them by name and she has to be escorted by the Secret Service. In 24 hours it had been forgotten. I don’t know- you can just do what you can do. If they all want this to come to pass I don’t know that anyone can stop them from trying.
Omnes Omnibus
@eric: The media is fully capable of reporting Trump’s lies and his spouting of complete BS. They do not. If the media accurately reported that the election was between a racist, thin-skinned ignoramus and a real world, grown-up Hermione Grainger. Would there be any horse-race shit at all?
Peale
@bmoak: seriously. What the fuckis that. Trump says all these immigrant are threatening and we’re going to deport them without due process and whatever while Hillary is the status quo with hopes for comprehensive immigration reform? Does the “both sides media” really think we have this crisis of maurading banditos calling the shots in Phoenix and you’d better watch out cause they’re coming to Peoria? Couldn’t these well healed members of the punditry ask their gardeners if they might visit their families?
Kay
@Peale:
They’re punishing her for not holding a press conference. I don’t care if she does or not. I know what it will be about- emails.
Peale
@bmoak: so she’s supposed to respond to the shit the republicans have stirred up be, what? Finding a neat common ground. Where maybe she complains that Mexicans aren’t completely illiterate but many haven’t learned enough yet? Maybe defend Latinos but go off on a smaller group, like Indonesians? Would that help take that extremist edge off? Is that the pivot?
eric
@Omnes Omnibus: i agree with you, but if you watch ONE trump speech you can see it for yourself…this is not code as in the past where i think the media bore far more responsibiltiy for mollifying W’s conservatism when it was obvious he was a hard core conservative. But trump is naked anger and hate for all to see with the words of racists,
redshirt
@Peale: Hillary shot Vince Foster in Mesa just to watch him die, i.e. Death Panel.
Mike in NC
Funny how many of Drumpf’s people are Russian immigrants. Legal? Putin stooges?
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Omnes Omnibus:
So quaint, you seem to be unfamiliar with the media in this country.
Adam L Silverman
@Mike in NC: You referring to Boris Epshteyn?
Feathers
@bmoak: GYARRRGHH!!! Clinton foundation! Emails! Um, what about Donald’s trial for fraud, due to start right after the election? Who will be running Trump’s businesses while he is in the White House? How much money does he owe, in the US and abroad? Crickets.
We have someone running for President who may owe hundreds of millions of dollars to foreign banks and the press can’t be arsed to cover it as a serious issue.
Aleta
@Villago Delenda Est: suitably scary
Omnes Omnibus
@eric: Most people get their news through the filter of the media. Political obsessives like those of us who congregate here are not regular folk.
The MSM have a responsibility and they have abandoned it. The person who trusts the MSM is just normal.
Omnes Omnibus
@?BillinGlendaleCA: I said “capable of” not “willing to.”
Mike in NC
@Adam L Silverman: Yes and others
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Omnes Omnibus: Facts not in evidence.
hovercraft
The only consolation to the media saying that he has softened and won’t have a deportation force, is that Bill Kristol and Hugh Hewitt believe that Trump had a great day. Hewitt loved Trumps tone, so for normal people it was probably as disgusting as I found it to be. I want the national polls (not the swing states) to keep tightening, democrats need to be scared shitless that this crazy person can win. GOTV !!
Adam L Silverman
@Mike in NC: Based on his age, I’m pretty sure Epshteyn’s family came to the US as part of the Refusenik wave of the late 1970s. Its how a large number of Russian Jews got to the US. There was sort of a one shot release for a year or so and then things tightened up again. As for the others, other than the Russian mobbed up guys from the Bayrock Group, I’m not sure who else you’re referring to. Lots of folks seemingly within the orbit of Putin/Russia, but Epshteyn and the Bayrock Group guys are the only Russians I know of.
Omnes Omnibus
@?BillinGlendaleCA: I think that you are misusing that phrase.
Adam L Silverman
@hovercraft: That guy (Hewitt) reminds me of this guy:
https://jackrollreviews.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/raiderslostark9_001pyxurz.jpg?w=1024
Aleta
@CaseyL: Air vet team lands helicopter next to Antarctic crevasse; gives booster shot in high winds to Malamute glaciologist.
hovercraft
@Adam L Silverman:
As soon as I saw Raiders…. I knew exactly who you meant.
He’s basically been saying Trump is doing great since he got the nomination, the only time he acknowledged that he had messed up was when he went after the Khan family.
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@SiubhanDuinne: I hear tell Linux is the cure for that.
;-D
Cheers,
Scott.
Adam L Silverman
Shiny new open thread with music is up!
?BillinGlendaleCA
@I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet: I’ve heard that Linux is the cure for the common cold.
Omnes Omnibus
@Adam L Silverman: I knew the guy’s name. Just saying, for later credibility.
redshirt
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Gesundheit!OS
Adam L Silverman
@hovercraft: Yep. Its amazing how many of the folks that seem to have some form of Tourette’s (no offense to those suffering from actual Tourette’s) where they constantly scream out Liberty! Constitutional! at odd moments turn out to be closet authoritarians.
gwangung
@Peale: She’s to the left of Obama.
That’s it.
Adam L Silverman
@Omnes Omnibus: I’m sure you did.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
well, she is part of the college educated white woman demo we’re told Trump is going for
The Ancient Randonneur
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Shorter Ann Coulter: The book tour is back on bitches!
redshirt
@The Ancient Randonneur: I’m happy Ann and Donald are back together in hate.
Barb2
@redshirt:
NO!
Millard Filmore
@redshirt:
I have read parts of the Windows 10 EULA. It claims to bind the anonymous party A (you) to an unknown party B (the computer seller) to regulate the use of party C’s (Microsoft) intellectual property.
Now for some rhetorical questions:
– Does this contract have any monetary value?
– is the contract on the books as an asset or liability?
– if I am sued, can I get a complete list of all entities that have been contracted like this?
– the EULA says if I decline the contract, I have to abide by the return policies of the seller … I am refusing the contract. Why must I abide by it?
Adam L Silverman
@Barb2: 1860
Barb2
@Adam L Silverman:
1860 elections – The lead into the civil war. Evil time.
Trump is the evil of the modern era.
Kids are watching. Little girls and boys. The media mob doesn’t give a sh*t.
Adam L Silverman
@Barb2: If I remember the Jefferson-Adams election was particularly nasty as well.
Barb2
@Adam L Silverman:
Birth of negative campaigning. Jefferson – Adams campaign.
What is old becomes new again.
When I researched my genealogy I discovered a history not found in text books. Mean and nasty times – but limited by the communication of the times.
The Trump era is worse – because of the mass media. Trump reaches millions instantly. Instant hate. Mob of haters.
Monala
@rikyrah: I agree! I loved the fact that the movie portrayed the Southside of Chicago as such a beautiful, vibrant place.
Matt McIrvin
@Omnes Omnibus:
Also, I think we’ve seen so many documentaries and allegories on the rise of Hitler that after a while the message we take away from it is that Hitler’s political techniques are unstoppable. We somebody actually using them in the field and we know in our guts that that guy is gonna win.
JR in WV
@rikyrah: I worked with Mr Belefonte’s daughter back in the 70s. She was a hard working young person – I was young back then, too. We got along pretty well. After we both left that job, she moved east towards Lewisburg and we moved west towards Huntington, both in the country way outside town.
Yesterday I volunteered to work on GOTV up in Ohio, I’ll need to keep an eye on my email to hear back. Will get a haircut and trim up my beard. Hope jeans are good!
Shell
That was some super scary shit. Nuff said