GOP congressman: Trump might lack the language discipline to avoid the appearance of interfering in an investigation https://t.co/w5qtaEZknT pic.twitter.com/ZXkjPWEaJi
— CNN Politics (@CNNPolitics) June 15, 2017
Republican Rep. David Schweikert said in a radio interview Thursday that President Donald Trump might lack the language discipline to avoid giving the appearance of interfering in an investigation.
Schweikert said Trump may not have learned the discipline because he’s not from the “political class.” Schweikert made the comments on NPR’s “Morning Edition” during a discussion about possible obstruction of justice by Trump in the FBI’s investigation into Russia’s influence in the 2016 election…
So, Trump isn’t very adept at lying, which is the natural ‘language discipline’ of the GOP… just as a newly-weaned puppy lacks the bladder discipline not to piddle on the rug.
And the way GOP standards for their Dear Leader keep sinking, “didn’t piddle on the rug in the Oval Office” is gonna be next month’s behavioral gold star, isn’t it?
Apart from [facepalm]-ing, what’s on the agenda for the evening?
Corner Stone
Talking about VP Pence lawyering up.
Baud
Yes, but then there will be a leak proving that the gold star was prematurely awarded.
lollipopguild
Translation: Our current President is too stupid for words so do not listen to anything he says.
Cermet
JUST ANOTHER WAY THUGS TRY TO CREATE DOUBLE STANDARDS – WORSE, THE LOONY BASE WILL EAT IT UP!~
piratedan
just keep fucking that chicken Rep. Dave, eventually you’ll de-bone something.
Baud
@Corner Stone: I was just thinking he was doing a good job laying low.
@lollipopguild: Too stupid for words, but not to stupid to mess with your health care!
Morzer
Trump might lack the innocence to avoid interfering in an investigation
Baud
@Morzer: Good one.
Morzer
@Baud:
Shrek: Donkey, you HAVE the right to remain silent. What you lack, is the capacity.
George Spiggott
tRump leaves that for the underage Russian hookers.
craigie
@Morzer:
Excellent
Omnes Omnibus
And we’re right back to the Russian hookers again.
@George Spiggott: Damn you!
Immanentize
Schweikert really thinks he will be President or Vice President one day, doesn’t he? Or maybe he just wants an invite to Mar a Lago for cake.
Thoughtful David
So, let me guess: the NPR interviewer laughed in Schweikert’s face and said “OMG, what a load of bullcovfefe you’re laying out there, Schweikert!”
I kid, I kid.
? ?? Goku (aka Junior G-Man) ? ?
How is one supposed to tell the difference between not having “language discipline” and actually obstructing justice?
Karen
Since the topic is GOP stupidity, thought would share this. http://bipartisanreport.com/2017/06/15/gop-introduces-dangerous-gun-legislation-one-day-after-rep-scalise-shooting/
Baud
@? ?? Goku (aka Junior G-Man) ? ?: Party affiliation.
Mike in DC
@? ?? Goku (aka Junior G-Man) ? ?:
Obstructing justice is when you use the whole chicken.
George Spiggott
@Omnes Omnibus:
I knew I had to be quick around here.
Immanentize
@Morzer: Man, that is the story of almost all my clients. We actually handed out those little rubber bracelets that say “I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY, I WANT A LAWYER.” No change in behavior at all. Even when we KNEW a kid was wearing one of the bracelets. The prosecutors would laugh and laugh….
trollhattan
As of now Trump doesn’t even get a participation trophy. Sasse must be tres disappointed.
? ?? Goku (aka Junior G-Man) ? ?
@lollipopguild: Honestly, if the President is too stupid to fulfill the duties of the office, then maybe he should be removed. Gross incompetence should be an impeachable offense
Immanentize
@? ?? Goku (aka Junior G-Man) ? ?: One is prosecuted by Robert Mueller….
Raoul
A Dem friend who is closely watching the MN-03 race for 2018 sent me a link to a new GOP fundraising page. It appears to be a pretty good list of who the NRCC thinks is most vulnerable.
Here it is, and I’ve added the Cook ratings. Interesting that the GOP is more worried about some of these “likely Rs” than Cook was on May 26 when their latest evals were published.
Martha McSally – AZ-02 – Lean R
Jeff Denham – CA-10 – Lean R
David Valadao – CA-21- Likely R
Steve Knight – CA-25 – R Toss Up
Darrell Issa – CA-49 – R Toss Up
Mike Coffman – CO-06 – R Toss Up
Brian Mast – FL-18 – (not rated? aka Solid R??)
Carlos Curbelo – FL-26 – Lean R
Rod Blum – IA-01 – Lean R
David Young – IA-03 – Lean R
Bruce Poliquin – ME-02 – Likely R
Jason Lewis – MN-02 – R Toss Up
Erik Paulsen – MN-03 – Lean R
Don Bacon – NE-02 – Lean R
John Faso – NY-19 – Lean R
Claudia Tenney – NY-22 – Likely R
John Katko – NY-24 – Likely R
Brian Fitzpatrick – PA-08 – Lean R
Will Hurd – TX-23 – Lean R
Barbara Comstock – VA-10 – R Toss Up
Early dollars for Dem opponents in these races could make a difference. I’m gonna look around, and if nothing else, give to their D Nominee Funds
George Spiggott
@piratedan:
Sounds like a cluckservative to me.
Immanentize
@? ?? Goku (aka Junior G-Man) ? ?: PS I saw that, in an earlier thread, you stated your plan to forgo future eliminationist rhetoric. I support your decision to do so. Thank you.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Immanentize:
He does realize he only gets ONE SCOOP of ice cream?
Baud
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Heh.
ETA: What a great idea for a protest. Everyone gathers and they all get three scoops of ice cream. How popular would that be.
Jeffro
Jesus, talk about “defining deviancy downward”…
Paraphrasing something I read earlier today from Anne Lamott (who possibly got it from someone else), the GOP “…is deteriorating faster than they can lower their standards”
Cue the #TrumpMightLack hashtag on Twitter in 3, 2, 1…
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
the garbage vichey times and chuck todd are blaming Sanders for the shooting, saying his “apocalyptic” language is inciting his followers.
I only mention this cuz Sanders’ supporters foolishly and naively insisted the corporate media wouldn’t swiftboat him if he was the nominee.
? ?? Goku (aka Junior G-Man) ? ?
@Baud: @Mike in DC:
It’s an impossible standard by design,I know. But holy fuck, this is white privledge on steroids! This is outrageous that the GOP is trying to brazen this out
Corner Stone
@George Spiggott: Yeah, you gotta be on your toes around here for the hookers urinating on the rug situation.
piratedan
@Raoul: physician Matt Heinz has announced that he’s running against Martha McSally again in AZ 02.
I think she can be had… she keeps trying to pass herself off as a moderate, but her AHCA stance (and the “fuck it, lets vote on it anyway” shananigans) and the fact that the Trump administration has done fuck all for vets could really be leveraged here.
Baud
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: I’m not a Sanders fan, but I don’t recall him using violent rhetoric. I’m not sure what “apocalyptic” rhetoric they are referring to.
Immanentize
@?BillinGlendaleCA: He only really needs one scoop, yes?
Actually, I think his future was ended when he said he might primary Jumbled John McCain in ’16
? ?? Goku (aka Junior G-Man) ? ?
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: Yeah. They might have used that line against him.
But fuck the FTFNYT and Chuck Todd.
Jeffro
Mark Salter on Twitter: “Words I never thought I’d say: the security of the United States might now depend on electing a Democratic Congress in 2018”
YeeOWch!
Immanentize
@?BillinGlendaleCA: OT (at least political-wise). My FIL gave me a medium format camera he used to use for nature shots. It’s been in the closet for years. You have inspired me to take it out and see what happens. Thank you.
debbie
@Karen:
Speaking of stupidity, NPR’s On Point today discussed yesterday’s shooting and the growing political partisanship. One of the commenters, Michael Graham (who used to be with National Review) insisted that only Democrats and their supporters were resorting to violence. He was called out on this a number of times but didn’t budge. Nothing will change.
Baud
@Jeffro: That’s great and all, but many of us easily recognized that the security of the United States depended on electing Hillary Clinton. Where was Mark then?
Jeffro
@Baud: I hear you…I’ll still take his support now.
Baud
@debbie: Nope. Nothing will change, so we need to keep on keeping on. We have nothing to apologize for.
Immanentize
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: I have had a goatee since 1993 when I started law teaching and I looked too young to be credible. Toddler and Goka have convinced me it is time to shave clean.
Baud
@Jeffro: Of course. I don’t know who he is, but if he’s telling people to elect Dems, I’m not going to stand in his way.
O. Felix Culpa
@? ?? Goku (aka Junior G-Man) ? ?: @Immanentize: @Immanentize:
What Imm said. Thank you.
PatrickG
@Baud: I wee what you did there.
randy khan
So is the new defense that he has no idea he’s obstructing justice and that he just says strange things or that he hasn’t learned how to obstruct justice without making it obvious?
jl
Very few people have a mind like Trump’s. Trump said so himself in several interviews. I think that is very true. Not fake news at all. His mind is unique.
Baud
@PatrickG: Thank you!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Baud: This is from about a year ago, but IIRC he stayed consistent right up to 11/9
the gap between flacks and electeds remains remarkable to me.
Omnes Omnibus
@randy khan: It’s the old irresistible impulse defense.
muddy
@jl: Let’s thank the gods for that.
D58826
This isn’t hard – ‘best to keep ones mouth shut and be thought a fool rather than opening it and remove all doubt’
Immanentize
@randy khan: I think the new defense is that German is his original language and this Englische Sprache is too hard to get a handle on.
rikyrah
Language Discipline???
The curve for unqualified mediocre White Men is REAL
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
#EconomicAnxiety
D58826
@jl:
Well I guess the of us can be thankful that there are no other brains like that running around unsupervised.
rikyrah
@Corner Stone: Pence lawyering up is the signal to the ignorant staff in the White House..
Time to lawyer up!!
Corner Stone
@Baud: Actually, I thought it was a pretty piss poor effort on your behalf.
D58826
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: And on the D side the wave of the future Bernie candidate lost bigly
Corner Stone
@rikyrah: Trump’s ignorant ass lawyer telling them all they did not need a lawyer was their signal. This should be like the klaxon blaring before the ship hits an iceberg.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Immanentize: You’re welcome. The “see what happens” has me a bit concerned.[/snark] If you have any questions, feel free to ask away.
Omnes Omnibus
@D58826: The other one like it is in a jar on a shelf next to Hans Delbruck’s brain.
JPL
@Immanentize: Dave Weigel has the note Handel received.. He also has thoughts about it
https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/875448484123611136
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@Baud: no. and what’s worst, Chuckles and the garbage Vichy times gave Trump a free pass on his direct calls for violence.
Mnemosyne
@? ?? Goku (aka Junior G-Man) ? ?:
Is the person in question a Republican, or not?
SatanicPanic
Even Republican representatives Paul Ryan and David Schweiker admit that Trump is, ignorant, unprepared and unready for the job.
Chyron HR
@Baud:
Just look at a transcript of any of his debates with X-Factor.
Redshift
I could have sworn that politicians weren’t the only ones who could commit obstruction of justice, but if Schweikert wants to assert that the “political class” are so prone to committing crimes that they have to learn how not to do it, who am I to argue?
Peale
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: Sorry, which Chuckles? Schumer?
Mnemosyne
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
Oh, FFS. I get annoyed with Sanders’ language not because it’s violent, but because he can’t stop reflexively bashing Democrats. But to claim that his anodyne calls for “revolution” caused the shooting is really stupid.
Here’s a thought: maybe we should stop letting people charged with domestic violence have guns because the vast majority of mass shooters have a history of domestic violence. That had way more influence on the guy’s actions than anything Bernie said.
Baud
@Peale: Chuck Todd.
lamh36
hueyplong
Looking forward to the defense that Trump lacks “synapse discipline.”
Mnemosyne
@Immanentize:
I did not see the post from Goku, but I also thank him.
PPCLI
The problem isn’t his lack of language discipline, it’s his lack of “not firing the guy investigating me for obviously bullshit reasons” discipline.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@JPL: yeah, the “B” in Bourgeoisie might as well be backwards– I suspect anyone who really used those terms would know to pick the adjective, not the noun, and would be campaigning against the treacherous Blue Dog sell-out Ossoff
Roger Moore
@debbie:
This is easy to understand. We are individuals, while They are a monolith. When right wing people commit violence, they’re crazed lone wolves whose violence is completely divorced from their politics; when left wing people commit violence, they’re doing it because of their hateful ideology. If that’s the lens through which you see the world, you can easily think that only liberals are committing political violence. It’s the same worldview that lets them ignore all the white Christians committing mass murder while focusing on the occasional Muslim who does.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@Peale: todd. the corporate media gave trump a free pass as well as billions in aid and comfort.
The naifs and idiots who say money doesn’t matter cuz clinton outspent trump never account for the billions in kind donations he received from the corporate media.
Cacti
Between the Portland stabber and the DC shooter, do any friends of Wilmer still want to argue that his “revolution” wasn’t one of white male resentment and entitlement?
And no, “Think of all the Wilmer friends who haven’t shot or stabbed someone” isn’t a compelling argument. At the moment, I see one candidate left whose supporters haven’t gotten shooty or stabby, and it isn’t one of the shouty white dudes.
Steeplejack
@Omnes Omnibus:
Abby Normal on the other side.
SatanicPanic
@Cacti: every now and then I think the Bernie hate on this blog goes a bit too far. This seems like one of those times.
Karen
@debbie: a friend, who has doctorate in biology, once compared humans to an invasive weed; the white ones are toxic
scav
So, he has All the words, All the Best Words, but they’re all just totally off the leash and running screaming about at top speed, ignoring all prior definitions or conventions as to sentence structure or grammatical logic because only Politicians require or bother with such technical nonsense, whereas businessmen chuck such stultifying crap out while on the road to success and greatness.
Major Major Major Major
@Mnemosyne:
Unfortunately, having a gun is currently a constitutional right. Merely being charged with something isn’t enough to strip somebody of a right.
Mnemosyne
@JPL:
I like the guy in the replies posting links to stories about American right-wingers faking attacks. So far, the only comparable story that a right-wing whiner dug up happened in Germany.
Turgidson
@Baud:
I prefer to spell out his full name. Chucklehead Todd. Sadly it hasn’t caught on.
LurkerNoLonger
@lamh36:
That’s because he’s a criminal.
Chyron HR
@SatanicPanic:
As a historical note to anyone who might be reading this thread in the far future, this comment was posted less than a week after the senator from Vermont held a literal weekend-long Comic-Con style convention devoted entirely to trashing the Democratic party.
eclare
@Baud: I’m in!
JPL
@Mnemosyne: Dave on his feed said that he saw something similar in MS, which is why he questioned it right away.
Aren’t you suppose to be celebrating.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@Cacti: I thought it was grievance, as opposed to resentment. But it was definitely aimed at reagan whites, at the expense of existing loyal democratic voters.
Baud
@Chyron HR: I have many issues with Bernie but he’s not responsible for the violence.
Morzer
@JPL:
Definitely wingnut spelling and rhetoric. It’s like someone took a Breitbart comment and changed a couple of words to Handel the issue.
SatanicPanic
@Chyron HR: hey I’m just saying. He’s annoying and untrustworthy, but let’s not go overboard.
debbie
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
Did they balance their blame-laying by referencing Trump’s “American Carnage” Inaugural speech?
Ruviana
@JPL: I loved some of the responses. “It is I, the liberal….Bernie is bae.”
Morzer
@hueyplong:
To be fair, Trump’s been working on getting two synapses of ice cream with every meal.
SatanicPanic
@Baud: This is why I am voting for you in the 2020 primary
Mnemosyne
@Major Major Major Major:
It’s still bizarre to me that a complete stranger can murder me because I don’t have a constitutional right to stop him from buying the weapon he killed me with.
debbie
@Karen:
“Invasive weed” is new to me. I’ve always stuck with “pestilence.”
Mnemosyne
@JPL:
I’m still at work for another 90 minutes. ?
At least my boss is on vacation this week, so I don’t have to work very hard.
Major Major Major Major
@Mnemosyne: and that should feel wrong, that’s because Heller was wrong, but until it’s gone, it’s the law.
Mnemosyne
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
I don’t disagree that those WWC guys are getting hung up on equality issues. I just disagree that we need to change our political stances on those things to make WWC guys comfortable.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Mnemosyne: Well, he can’t murder you, that’s a crime; however he has a Constitutional right to the means to murder you.
Mnemosyne
@Major Major Major Major:
The law is an ass.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@debbie: Heh!
Morzer
@Baud:
NEOLIBERAL SELLOUT!
eclare
@Mnemosyne: Was thinking similarly on the way home, kids don’t have the right to be safe in school.
Mnemosyne
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Once I’m dead, it’s too late to debate whether or not the guy who murdered me had a constitutional right to own the murder weapon.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
“Getting hung up on” means they hate “those people”. He’s dismissive of intersectionality. He’s dismissing real people’s rights to first class citizenship, like he’s dismissive of basically all criticisms of him. Wilmer did not incite the violence done by these two angry white men with guns who were all in on his rhetoric, but he’s been totally divisive, self serving and completely irresponsible about owning what he’s created – a cult instead of reaching out to create allies to defeat Trump. His hanging on for all those weeks after he had any chance of the nom was the tell about his ability to do the right thing for the country. He and Trump are both toxic narcissists that way.
eclare
@debbie: Aren’t all weeds invasive?
different-church-lady
“He’s just pining for the fjords!”
japa21
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: Sanders is wrong on two counts.
1. The Dems have been focusing on those economic issues. But proving they can walk and chew gum at the same time, they are also able to focus on others issues. Clinton, for example, was very focused on the economic issues.
2. In those states, the white voter is not voting against their interests. Their interest is basically keeping non-whites and women in the place God meant them to be, which is below the white man.
Cacti
@SatanicPanic:
Maybe his angry, pale, male followers should stop killing people.
Major Major Major Major
@Mnemosyne: we did debate it, in 2008, we lost and that fat fuck Scalia took a sharpie to “well-regulated militia”.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@Mnemosyne: the hilarious and telling part is once he got blown out in the southern primaries he started to complain that southern states don’t matter cuz you can’t win them in the fall and their status rigged the system against him.
eta: you never saw Obama dismiss a state he lost.
Mnemosyne
@eclare:
Yep. Only gun owners have constitutional rights that cannot be infringed. Even free speech has to bow before the 2nd Amendment, because doctors are barred by law from asking their patients if they have a gun in the house and advising them to take safety precautions.
Major Major Major Major
@japa21: point 2 gets to something that always bothered me about that phrase. “Voting against their interests.” As if tribalism and hate don’t make them feel good, and feeling good isn’t in their interests. They’re not fools, they’re assholes.
SatanicPanic
@Cacti: all two of them. Sheesh this is silly.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: ‘
His whole campaign strategy was to dismiss everyone and everything as not really counting. Gee, who does that sound like?
Major Major Major Major
@Mnemosyne: I don’t think that one actually has a constitutional right to life, at least not in the “not being murdered” sense, whereas a gun is right there in black and white.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Mnemosyne: That’s not a debate, unless you want to change the 2nd Amendment, the change to change to a more favorable interpretation via the Court vanished on Nov. 8th of last year.
eclare
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: I took great offense to that, as a resident of a traitor state. Proudly voted for Hillary in the primary (as did the overwhelming majority in my blue oasis). Those quotes came out later, after March 15, never been so sure I made the right choice.
Cacti
@Major Major Major Major:
Racism and bigotry is very much in their interest. The reason they hated Obama so much is that his election and re-election forced them to confront their imagined superiority.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@SatanicPanic:
You know, there’s a ton of online harrassment – tweeting nooses to women and PoC, calling women whores, etc. They’re going after Joy Reid and Kamala Harris now. It’s not all bots – it’s toxic Berniebroism white male resentment targeting the groups that didn’t support Bernie. If they’re still all obsessed with retconning the primaries instead of focusing on defeating Trump, it’s a cult, and we know what cultists are capable of.
The Lodger
@Omnes Omnibus: You can’t make leak jokes faster than a Spiggott.
Morzer
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
If we are going to talk about people committing politics during a primary, perhaps we should take a look back at how some people were opining in 2008 that a certain candidate had a problem with white blue-collar voters.
Politics is a contact sport, so let’s not get all sanctimonious about one candidate’s utterances while conveniently forgetting the sins of others.
eclare
@Major Major Major Major: It’s in the Declaration of Independence.
TenguPhule
@Immanentize:
Perhaps you should try to have rich five year olds hire you as lawyers instead?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: Jon Fuglesang, whom I like when the subject is not Wilmer, and who still waxes self-righteously about the two parties being too much alike, said the other day that Joe Biden was Obama’s “Impeachment insurance” because he knew the R’s didn’t want a “real liberal”. The guy who not only voted for the Iraq War, but bragged about teaming up with McCain to write the AUMF, who (co) wrote the ’94 crime bill, who protected Clarence Thomas, who was one of the defenders of the filibuster because Senate Tradition and My Good Friends, the Senator from MBNA who (co) wrote the ’05 bankruptcy bill… et cetera.
I knew most Berners and EmoProgs were more about affect than substance, but that caught me off guard.
TenguPhule
@Mnemosyne:
You are expected to defend yourself by preemptively murdering them first.
/I wish this was more joke then reality, but jokes have to make sense.
Major Major Major Major
@eclare: which is a separate document.
Mnemosyne
@Major Major Major Major:
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
To paraphrase Randall Monroe, if your best defense of the 2nd Amendment is but I have a constitutional right to own this killing machine! you’re saying that that’s the only argument you have for your side.
NoraLenderbee
Can we please quit refighting the primary? Sanders lost. Clinton got more votes (just as in the general). It’s over.
japa21
@Major Major Major Major: And that was what was wrong with the premise of the book about what was wrong with Kansas. It focused on on the voter’s economic interests. But these voters view the way for their economic life to improve is to keep certain people on the outs. It isn’t GOP policies that have caused them problems, it is those damn Dems giving away stuff to “those people”. Stop that from happening and their life will improve. And the GOP happily tells them they are correct.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@Morzer: I wasn’t sanctimonious, to the contrary, I was being acerbic with cynical realism.
Major Major Major Major
@Mnemosyne: whoa, hey, it’s not “my side”, this just happens to be the current flawed interpretation of our flawed constitution, and I’m defending the fact that the constitution as interpreted at any time by SCOTUS is the supreme law of the land.
KithKanan
@the Conster, la Citoyenne: I can’t hear Wilmer’s name at this point without reflexively saying “FUCK THAT GUY!” and yet I still think accusing him of inciting violence is going too far.
TenguPhule
@Cacti:
Not a friend but I will point out that Hawaii went for him and whites are a definite minority here.
Private sector workers are hurting bad because cost of living is rising faster then pay.
Sanders message reached, Hillary Clinton’s didn’t. We tend to get ignored by most campaigns here, but the Sanders volunteers put in ten times the visible effort that Clinton’s did locally.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
hee hee
Mnemosyne
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Also, too — I realize it’s no longer up for debate and random assholes can murder me because I don’t have the right to stop them from buying the murder weapon.
But I’m never going to stop pointing out that the people who want themselves and their children to not be murdered have been told that they don’t have any right to demand that.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Obama Derangement Syndrome is a powerful drug.
Mnemosyne
@Morzer:
And yet that person campaigned hard for her opponent, accepted a subordinate position inside the administration, and enthusiastically supported him and all of his policies.
If she had stood outside the party and thrown rocks at everyone after she lost the 2008 primary, then there would be a point of comparison.
ETA: The people in 2017 who seem unaware that politics are a contact sport are not the ones who voted for the Democrat in November.
TenguPhule
@Mnemosyne:
You still have that right. It’s just that the people currently in power don’t care about it.
Yes, I know that’s not comforting at all. But we can still strive for better accuracy!
PatrickG
@Corner Stone: bah. baud’s a whiz at this.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@KithKanan:
I said I don’t accuse him of inciting violence, but I do accuse him of carelessness and irresponsibility in creating a following that engages in harrassment as a matter of course. Like parents who leave their teenage sons home alone with a full liquor cabinet and keys to the car.
Mnemosyne
@Major Major Major Major:
Then I will repeat myself: the law is an ass.
And extend it: Jim Crow was the law of the land, too, until a group of brave people decided to challenge it at the risk of their own lives.
TenguPhule
@Mnemosyne:
I do recall “sick and tired of discussing your emails!” at the first match as a gesture from Sanders.
And later speaking on her behalf once she was the nominee.
Mnemosyne
@NoraLenderbee:
Part of the reason we keep having the same fights over and over again is that the Sanders dead-enders refuse to admit he lost fair and square.
Mnemosyne
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Joe Biden has something between his legs that Hillary doesn’t. That’s why the Senator from MBNA is acceptable to the emoprogs and she isn’t.
Major Major Major Major
@TenguPhule: before he convinced himself he had a chance of winning he was kind of nice, yes.
@Mnemosyne: yeah, all I was saying was you don’t strip constitutional rights for years on the basis of a crime accusation, if you look upthread.
TenguPhule
@Mnemosyne:
Better people, better government.
Corner Stone
@PatrickG: Oh, come on. Nothing tee’s up Baud like a good rug story.
danielx
@Corner Stone:
Really could have done without that image, accurate though it may be.
TenguPhule
@Major Major Major Major:
Which is why the SC nominee was so important. Its an open secret that SC Is completely compromised now with Kennedy’s impartiality little more then a joke after Bush v. Gore.
different-church-lady
@Cacti: I am not going along with the particulars of your rant, but I will again make an observation I have made here a few times before:
Both Sanders and Trump play the politics of resentment. But Trump plays it from the Dark Side, and Sanders plays it from the Light.
Either way, it’s not something to be dallied with.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Was that the same debate where Chuck Todd gave him the idea that WALL STREET SPEECHES were the greatest sin ever perpetrated against the People and the Republic, or was that the second debate?
SatanicPanic
@the Conster, la Citoyenne: you don’t have to convince me that his fans are obnoxious. Here’s my issue- America is truly in crisis right now. Do we want to establish that everyone who points that out is possibly inciting violence? Id rather not.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Mnemosyne:
Yes, and there’s no argument. It’s black letter law.
I’m not arguing the need for gun control, but as it stands in current law, you have right to own a firearm.
TenguPhule
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: No. Chuck Todd’s shit was second debate.
Mnemosyne
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
So was segregation. Plessy v Ferguson.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Mnemosyne:
That change required a Civil War to change(and never really changed completely), are you willing to go that far to repeal the 2nd Amendment?(Got confused on Court rulings, my bad.) Sure start a movement to repeal the 2nd Amendment, I’m good with that.TenguPhule
@?BillinGlendaleCA: And this can’t be changed within the system without five uncompromised SC justices and a working Senate and house majority along with an executive branch willing to take an ACA level risk to do it.
That’s the only legal remedy.
Major Major Major Major
@TenguPhule: you forgot an amendment.
different-church-lady
@Major Major Major Major: Not to mention ratification by 38 states.
Karen
@debbie: I always thought invasive weed was better, since pestilence doesn’t give you the mind picture of something that comes in, takes over, kills competition and nearly impossible to get rid of. When he first told me humans were a weed species I had to have him explain why; he also includes mammals such as white tail deer.
TenguPhule
@Major Major Major Major:
Fine, only “plausible” legal remedy that could actually happen. Better?
Major Major Major Major
@different-church-lady: hey, he said ‘only’.
Karen
@eclare: a weed is simply a plant growing where you don’t want it, many of what we think of as weeds were once planted and “escaped”
amk
what a load of covfefe.
frosty
@Mnemosyne: Happy belated Birthday and especially Happy In’n’Out! They brought their “food truck” (an 18-wheeler) to my college reunion last month. I begged them to bring it east.
kd bart
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: Don’t you know that the key to winning the Dem nomination was winning the Wyoming Caucus.
jharp
I’m not that sure about that. Pence doesn’t have any money so to speak.
Does anyone know who is paying for Pence’s lawyer and how much it would cost?
Morzer
@jharp:
Given Pence’s endless capacity for mendacity, I would suggest that his lawyers demand a deposit upfront. Perhaps one of the Trump cancer charities could help.
momus
If Trump had only paid attention in those ESL classes, he might speak English as well as a Mexican.
No Drought No More
At this point, Trump might as well imitate mafia boss Chin Gigante and commence to stumble around in public wearing his pajamas, to better enable him to plead incapacity to stand trial come the day he is ultimately charged with his high crimes..
It’s also easy to picture Trump as Gene Wildler in The Producers (without any of Wilder’s humor, charm, or humanity, of course), muttering over and over to himself: “no way out, no way out, no way out..”.
And he’s right, there isn’t.
Uncle Cosmo
@jharp: No worries. Fundanazi MAGAchurches across the country will hold bake sales every week to cover his legal fees. He is, after all, one of their own…
jonas
Soooo — riddle me this, salt-of-the-earth, real ‘Muricans™ who voted for Trump: Supposedly he was this sooper-genius businessman billionaire who was going to show all these lame-o politicians how it’s done! But now we need to make all these excuses for Trump because he’s apparently too stupid to understand how not to indict himself for treason and step on his own dick on a daily basis.
Please to explain? I’m a coastal elite, so I obviously don’t understand these sophisticate nuances that y’all are used to.