NEW U.S. prosecutors eye 400 potential suspects, expect sedition charges ‘very soon’ in Jan. 6 Capitol breach. More than 150 have been charged and 135 arrested, as probe examines militia groups and individuals from several states. https://t.co/L3gPyeSrD3
— Spencer Hsu (@hsu_spencer) January 27, 2021
Looks like the Feds may be taking a harder line with these rioters than I thought they might. Per the Washington Post:
… Acting U.S. attorney Michael R. Sherwin said Tuesday at a news conference that while new arrests in the nationwide manhunt will soon “plateau” after an initial wave of 135 arrests and 150 federal criminally charged cases, investigations continue into whether different “militia groups [and] individuals” from several states conspired and coordinated the illegal assault on Congress beforehand.
In charging papers, prosecutors have already identified a dozen members or affiliates of militant right-wing groups, including the nativist Proud Boys and the anti-government Oath Keepers and Three Percenters, the latter two of which recruit heavily among former military and law enforcement personnel.
Sherwin suggested that seditious conspiracy charges are pending and, without commenting on grand jury indictments, said that “the results will bear fruit very soon.”
Federal law makes conspiring to overthrow or oppose by force federal authority punishable by up to 20 years in prison, including the use of violence to prevent, hinder or delay the execution of law…
Prosecutors have obtained more than 500 grand jury subpoenas and search warrants, and charged dozens with assaulting police, a number Sherwin said would quickly grow.
Asked about the potential of related future violence, D’Antuono said the FBI is “determining if there are any viable leads we can follow.”
‘There’s a lot of threats out there,” he said. “We are trying to separate the aspirational from the intentional.”
Sherwin denied that there was a private debate among law enforcement officials over whether to charge individuals not observed to have engaged in violent, threatening or destructive behavior.
“There is no internal deliberation or confusion among any law enforcement partners . . . or the court system. Everyone is all in on these cases,” Sherwin said. “If a crime was committed, we are charging you, regardless of whether you were outside or inside the Capitol, to include misdemeanors.”…
Fox News may have decided there’s more public sympathy for the victims than the terrorists:
1) Fox has obtained the draft of a letter from House staff which is to be sent to U.S. senators ahead of the impeachment trial of former President Trump. The letter says “our workplace was attacked by a violent mob.”
— Chad Pergram (@ChadPergram) January 27, 2021
3) The aides will tell senators that as Congressional employees, they “don’t have a vote” in the trial. But they request senators “to convict the former President and bar him from ever holding office again.”
— Chad Pergram (@ChadPergram) January 27, 2021
DHS has released a nationwide terrorism alert, citing a potential threat from domestic anti-government extremists, incl. "ideologically-motivated violent extremists with objections to the exercise of governmental authority and the presidential transition."https://t.co/LGmp5gzQwP
— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) January 27, 2021
And — as anyone who’s read about ‘terrorism surveillance’ from the Palmer Raids in 1914 to the proposed Whitmer kidnapping just a few months ago could’ve predicted, the authorities will have infiltrated every resistance group with more than three members and/or a Facebook page. However sympathetic the J Edgar Jrs might be towards the insurrectionists’ larger goals, they’re also well-schooled in turning on their ‘comrades’ the minute political winds shift…
Wait… a dude with a history of being a federal informant was leading the Proud Boys… and then the feds scooped him up on 1/4… which kept him out of the Capitol insurrection. Hmm.
— The Hoarse Whisperer (@TheRealHoarse) January 27, 2021
"Enrique Tarrio, the leader of the Proud Boys extremist group, has a past as an informer for federal and local law enforcement, repeatedly working undercover for investigators … according to a former prosecutor and court proceeding obtained by Reuters."
https://t.co/mXG8QPufFt— Dan Lamothe (@DanLamothe) January 27, 2021
Tarrio was the Proud Boys’ ‘you can’t call us racists, here’s our Black dude’ figurehead. Hope he’s ready for his new life in the witness protection program, because he’ll never be forgiven by his old friends.
zhena gogolia
Just Some Fuckhead
I wonder if Monkey and Jumbo feel like failures for never being able to catch the red dot or if they lie to themselves that they are successful at it.
LurkerNoLonger
Not all idiots are racists, but all racists are idiots.
zhena gogolia
@Just Some Fuckhead:
The latter.
Ohio Mom
As an old lefty, I am not used to cheering for law enforcement. But I pride myself on being open-minded and flexible. So, Go Feds, Go! I’m rooting for you!
Baud
Lock them up.
Just Some Fuckhead
None of my business but you’d think the Proud Boys would want a white dude as their leader.
David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch
They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And none, I assume, are good people.
Poe Larity
Tarrio’s arrest on 1/4 could also be taken as protecting the informant before the sedition. If so, someone upstairs was thinking ahead.
Ken
I’m wondering if the Feds are getting Tarrio out of the way, well, extra-judicially. The Reuters investigation quotes prosecutors saying “Yeah, this guy helped us catch a lot of Florida criminals.” Then when Tarrio denied it, more people came forward to say “Nope, he definitely cooperated in drug cases, fraud, lots of stuff.”
CROAKER
THOUGHTS and Prayers….
raven
RIP Cloris Leachman. We just watched the Last Picture Show and she was wonderful.
Leto
So we have white privilege Karen being released to her mom, then goes about trying to destroy evidence/asking others to do the same, and the prosecutors recommendation is taking away her internet/computer access. You know what would do that? Fucking jail. Throw her ass in jail, this other person who also attempted to sell secrets to the Russians:
scav
I enjoy that announcing he’d been an informer is going to encourage all the Loud Boys to look all squinty eyed at their brothers in tweets.
Leto
@raven: Frau Blucher from Young Frankenstein :(
Delk
Off-white supremacist.
artem1s
I’ve always felt the FBI and ATF got the short end of the stick over Ruby Ridge and Waco. Too many ‘tough on crime, 2nd amendment solution” Congress critters were willing to throw those agents under the bus when it came campaign time. With few exceptions *cough*Comey*cough*, I think they are largely a-political when it comes to investigating domestic threats and organized crime. But are too often hampered by the administrations who want to stay on the good side of good ol’ boys and white mobsters by painting BiPOCs as the real gangsters and thugs we all need to protect ourselves from. Not crazy uncle Harry who drives around with an assault rifle in his trunk and plays weekend warrior with his pals on the weekend out in the woods somewhere. I think the FBI-ies have been waiting for this day since Oklahoma and payback is a gonna be a bitch.
MomSense
@Poe Larity:
Yeah that seemed bizarre to me.
Martin
I’m going to keep saying this: the incitement to the insurrection wasn’t Trumps statements that day, but the weeks of lies by lots of elected officials that the election was stolen. They are all part of the sedition conspiracy.
debbie
@zhena gogolia:
Good on Sherrod for recognizing the people who had to clean up Trump’s last mess. Also, good on the Congressional staff for pointing out the obvious to their bosses.
I just sent this farewell email to Weasel Portman who most recently was bleating about leading a blue ribbon panel to investigate voter fraud:
Martin
@Just Some Fuckhead: But not having a white dude proves they aren’t actually racist. The ‘my black friend’ defense.
artem1s
@Leto:
I think they are waiting for her to lead them to the missing laptop and whoever she gave it to. They are hoping to scoop up bigger fish because they knew she’s stupid enough not to understand the judge was handing her a two edged sword. She blew her chance to avoid maximum penalty but they still want that laptop back. I don’t expect them to wait very long before they decide she’s expended her usefulness
debbie
@Martin:
Yeah, but it was all at Trump’s urging.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Baud:
So much for the tolerant left /s
But seriously, the insurrectionists need to face the music
burnspbesq
@artem1s:
The highlight of Merrick Garland’s first tour of duty at DOJ was leading the investigation of Oklahoma City and the successful McVeigh prosecution. He’s unlikely to rein them in.
debbie
@Just Some Fuckhead:
I thought Gavin McInnes was the founder? He’s all white and stuff.
BruceFromOhio
@Poe Larity: … and now he’s burned, and probably has a target on his forehead. That’s some double-backhanded thinking. I’m slotting it as coincidence, nothing more. Plucking the leader out before things got rolling was just good street smarts.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Martin:
That’s the most hilarious and best part. They no longer can use Tarrio as a shield. #NotYourShield
John Revolta
I’d been wondering what a guy named “Enrique Tarrio” was doing fronting the Proud Boys. Now my main question is A) was he stuck in there somehow by the Feds or 2) is the whole Proud Boys operation an FBI front?
debbie
@raven:
She was no slouch in her television roles either.
Chetan Murthy
@debbie: It was, but still, @Martin:’s point stands. As TNC put it someplace (can’t find it): if Trump’s lies had been -truths-, then these people would have indeed been waging a struggle for the redemption of our nation.[1] That they were indeed lies, makes their struggle illegitimate. And so, the ones who spread those lies, repeated them again and again, those people bear the greatest blame for this conspiracy and coup.
High school students don’t need to read about Hitler’s Big Lie: they can see Trump’s Big Lie in the papers.
[1] I just wanna be clear that I don’t think anything these people did was legitimate. But imagine that the Russkies took over our government; then Red Dawn would be a Great Patriotic Struggle, right? That’s the sense in which these people who spread these lies are monsters and need to be punished for their crimes.
japa21
@Martin: Keep on saying it. It seems to be catching on. Hearing it more and more from other people. And it isn’t far different from what Romney has been saying.
HumboldtBlue
@Poe Larity:
That’s my take as well
Kathleen
@debbie: I loved this Cincinnati Business Courier’s take on Gym Jordan:
John Revolta
@debbie: I had heard in recent months that Tarrio was out of favor in the group and was vying for leadership with McInnes. All the more interesting in light of current events.
BruceFromOhio
@artem1s:
This. Go get ’em, fellas.
Martin
@debbie: Doesn’t matter. Without the lie the urging would have done nothing. The lie is what matters. If Democrats thought the election was stolen, we’d be storming the Capitol as well. The lie sets up an existential threat that allows the crowd to justify their actions.
Remember, it’s not a regular lie. It’s the political equivalent of a mock execution – which we recognize as a war crime. For the people that believed the lie, they thought democracy was at risk, which is an existential threat, and will elicit that kind of response that we saw.
The lie was the violation of the oath of office.
They did not bear true faith and allegiance. They violated their oath. Trump was the leader of this lie, but lots of elected officials willingly joined that conspiracy. They should all be held accountable.
HumboldtBlue
@Leto:
I posted a link to her character two posts below.
Elie
@scav:
Absolutely agree. And with Terrio being identified as doing a great deal of informing, well, he just might fall and bump his head accidentally someday. His safety with his peeps in the “Loud Boys” is probably not the best.
Martin
More salt of the earth, non-elitist republicans.
debbie
@Chetan Murthy:
If Trump hadn’t lied, they wouldn’t have acted as they did. I’d be surprised if there were consequences for them. I’d like to see them turn on him.
Jeffro
Go full bore now or we won’t have a prayer of beating this white supremacist scumbag movement back.
indict, indict, indict
try, try, try
convict, convict, convict
sentence, sentence, sentence
keep it up until we have driven the very last remnants back into their cockroach holes, away from decent people
debbie
@Martin:
I’ve noticed the photo of the gallows has been used more and more. Omen?
Leto
@artem1s: I hope so, but I also thought that’s where “Give us the information about the laptop and you won’t face the maximum charge” style negotiating played out. Also as part of her release, her mom was on the hook for any more fuckups she had. The judge specifically read that as part of the sentencing. Is her mom headed to jail because her daughter can’t stop being a criminal? Essentially I want LE to stop treating these fucks with kid gloves. And I just don’t care about the Covid argument.
Scout211
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/trumps-american-carnage/
We missed the new Frontline last night but the repeat is on in our market at 2am so the DVR is set. Streaming is also available of course (for those with better internet connections than we have).
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@debbie:
Good letter. I have to wonder if Portman might want to run for president in 2024 or 2028. If he does, he’ll probably vote no. And if he doesn’t well… he still might because he and others in the GOP are apparently afraid of their violent, nutjob base.
My two state R reps are Trump Mini-Mes on Twitter. The R state senator narrowly won a seat that had been held by Dems since 1951 and acts like a Trumpist loon, shittalking about NYC authorities partying on NYE, accusing them of destroying the city’s economy with the shutdowns. He was educated at Emerson. He knows better. The R rep, who is the COO at his father’s infectious disease practice and ran on an anti-public health measures platform, knows better. What’s going on with these GOP state parties is also very concerning. I fear the next time Republicans have control of the federal government again
HumboldtBlue
@debbie:
And that’s why the meeting on Jan 5 at Trump’s Hotel is so important. There are now reports of two unnamed senators who were in attendance.
lollipopguild
@Leto: “He vas my boyfriend!”
debbie
@HumboldtBlue:
Agreed. Shame on Cruz and Rubio!
Geeno
@raven: Aaww – She was hilarious in Young Frankenstein.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Martin:
I agree. I’m not sure how we can though. We don’t have the numbers to eject people like Hawley or Cruz and frankly, practically the entire GOP caucus would have to be ejected from Congress, including the Senate Minority Leader. Having MoC and others criminally charged would help, I suppose
Just Some Fuckhead
@Martin: I believe the objective of a racist organization is to be racist, to be able to say, I have no non-white friends. Check me on that.
Raoul Paste
@scav: I thought the same thing Can you imagine the paranoia, perhaps justified, that’s going to consume these groups over undercover agents?
In a logical world this would deter people from joining or remaining
Commenting at Balloon Juice since 1937
Informer or entrapment?
aliasofwestgate
OT: I worked for Rite Aid 10 years ago. Mckesson is a company that tracks everything they ship 100% of the way. From us ordering stock from them, to us getting it on the shelf. If they’d actually used them, it’d be a question of where was the drop off point? Who and where received the vaccine doses. We used Mckesson for our daily rush orders, and the tracking was of utmost importance. So yeah. I do suspect grift and lots of revenge holding back of dosages if not selling them elsewhere was done. There is just no way to lose track of that information. Big companies like DHL (whom Pfizer used because they could do the extreme cold shipping setup) do the same. Our contract was with FEDEX and they are just as scrupulous about tracking meds in any form. So yeah.
There is just no way to lose millions of doses like that.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Chetan Murthy:
Pretty much this. I remember a bunch of regulars around here talking about attacking state Republicans (hypotheticals) if they tried to change the election rules so Trump could win swing states. If Trump and the GOP had stolen the election via the Supreme Court or Republican state legs had changed their election laws and declared Trump the winner, I have to wonder if something similar would have happened
It really does come back to the fact that Trump and the party lied to people and made them think they were right to storm the Capitol
Leto
@aliasofwestgate: I don’t think they’re lost, but as an example, in Florida some of the nursing homes gave the vaccine to wealthy donors instead of their residents/staff. And then here in Philly, there was a grifter group that partnered with the city and then just fucked everything up, with allegations that the CEO pocketed a large # of the vials to… who knows? It’s just a shitshow that Biden’s admin is going to spend a long time/more energy than they should figuring out just wtf happened.
David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch
Cloris Leachman’s touching Oscar acceptance speech (video)
aliasofwestgate
@Leto: I’m really hoping that’s the case. I am well aware of how piecemeal distribution is right now across all the states. They’re gonna be finding things for quite a bit, but i’m glad they’ll be implementing a national system as soon as they can. It’ll clear this bullshit up.
Because otherwise? It’s absolutely horrific thinking about how badly it was fucked up and stolen.
Mike in NC
Here’s hoping Individual-1 is among those charged with sedition.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch:
Hey, I never knew Lex Luthor presented the Oscar’s :p
Elie
@aliasofwestgate:
“There is just no way to lose millions of doses like that.”
They weren’t lost. They were re-routed or skimmed — I think they need the FBI in on this pronto. Where is Jared these days? Have the Javanka team jumped the border?
Cheryl Rofer
sdhays
@Mike in NC: Don’t hold your breath.
arrieve
@David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch: I was always a huge fan of Cloris Leachman, especially The Last Picture Show. But I have to admit my favorite scene she ever did is probably from The Mary Tyler Moore show, in the episode where her character’s husband was having an affair with Sue Ann Nivens, played by Betty White. The showdown between the two of them was so funny, just two brilliant actresses going at it.
Mike S
Am I the only one who loves that this time we really will be taking their guns if they are convicted felons?
Alison Rose
@raven: A minor but fun memory: My parents and I went to Hawaii in 1995, and while on Kauai we went to dinner at Charo’s restaurant, and Cloris Leachman was seated a couple tables away. We didn’t bug her but my mom was so tempted to ask for her autograph!
Also, from Mel Brooks’ Twitter page: “Every time I hear a horse whinny I will forever think of Cloris’ unforgettable Frau Blücher.”
Kathleen
@Martin: I know. Sigh. I’ve also seen J.D. Vance’s name floated. Democrats hold no statewide offices. Sherrod Brown is it for Dems. At least I think state party knows serious changes need to be made. Ohio has an excellent Dem bench IMHO. There’s some serious potential here.
Poe Larity
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
POINT OF ORDER! I request the blogerati council invoke the Mustard Filter and require that all references to that guy to be prefaced with:
Chief Justice John Robert’s Law Clerk Hawley
Remember, this will all end up with SCOTUS and we need to not tread lightly here.
Alison Rose
Also too, one of the funniest moments ever on a Comedy Central roast. I love it when old ladies curse.
burnspbesq
@HumboldtBlue:
In addition to Tuberville?
Aleta
@aliasofwestgate:
If health care were not-for-profit and considered a right, do you think there might already be a centralized organization for distribution that would be efficient for giving the vaccines?
There’s so much money being made from tests and vaccines that I wonder if the profit pieces of the different systems along the way are slowing things down.
debbie
@Kathleen:
They’re trying to talk Amy Acton (ex-Medical Director) to run for Portman’s seat. I think she’s too nice and kind to handle the abuse that will be heaped upon her, but I’d love for her to win.
Ohio Mom
Kathleen:
I just spent I don’t know how long on Vivek Ramaswamy’s Twitter. Yuck.
Arrogant know-it-all bigot. But very presentable and slick, and it will be a plus for Republicans that he’s not white (See, I’m not prejudiced!). He could have a shot, I’m afraid.
Did I hear Dayton’s mayor (forget her name) might run? She looks interesting to me.
For obvious reasons, I prefer someone who is an actual politician and has already won an office (looking at you, Dr. Acton, even though I love ya).
TheflipPsyd
@Scout211: I am streaming on the PBS channel now. I’m interested to hear what others think. I’m about 20 minutes in and it’s bringing back all that existential dread I felt at the beginning of his term. My other thought is that I didn’t realize how innured I got to the craziness and norm breaking of the administration. I remember going to a protest — against the immigration policies- with my husband and kids and being so hopeful, that good people would stand up against him and justice would prevail. And then the hopelessness that there would be no consequences for any of those vile people.
ETA. I hate autocorrect and commenting on a tablet
Aleta
Cloris Leachman on Lassie (as Timmy’s mother)
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@debbie:
That would be real justice if she won, but I agree with you that I don’t think she would run; not in her nature. I miss her briefings. Apparently, DeWine is talking about lifting the curfew in about five weeks, just in time for the new, more communicable variants to take hold
By the way, what do you think of Tim Ryan’s chances lol?
Gravenstone
@Poe Larity: It also points to his handlers likely knowing what was coming. Yet they didn’t intercede to stop the actual assault. One wonders why…
Brachiator
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
Tolerant is not the same as stupid.
aliasofwestgate
@Aleta: If we’d had the non profit framework in place 30 odd years ago, i could see it working more smoothly. As it is? Yeah the patchwork setup of for profit is a pain. Shipping and tracking tends to be pretty universal, especially dealing with drugs though. Including vaccines. When we started dispensing vaccines, those were tracked just as much as anything else. IE All the godddamn way to a person’s arm. Pretty sure the public clinics i went to in my community college before pharmacists were allowed to do vaccines did as much tracking too. The paperwork was never for nothing. That’s why i’m as suspicious as anyone else over theft and selling from Jarvanka and Trump himself and any of their cronies. I’ll be happy if they do find things or at least the details of what went on. It just drives me up the wall because i would have been FIRED for this shit. Tracking paperwork and inventory was basically half my job as a pharm tech. With the other part being people wrangling and insurance company headaches. Not counting the other aspects of the job. But gah.
sab
@debbie: Connie Schultz wants her to run. She should know what’s possible.
Plain Dealer article says she is tougher than she seems, which with her life story is probably true. She says she didn’t quit from fear of the protestors, but for “integrity.” Makes me wonder if DeWine slacking off since she left is because he was planning to anyway.
Roger Moore
@Just Some Fuckhead:
That would be the objective of an explicitly racist organization. But most racists these days want plausible deniability rather than explicit racism, so a non-white friend is highly desirable.
Omnes Omnibus
@raven: Blucher!
zhena gogolia
@Alison Rose:
I love her in High Anxiety.
zhena gogolia
@Aleta:
Wow, I forgot that. Did June Lockhart go on strike or something?
SiubhanDuinne
@arrieve:
Just rewatched it.
https://youtu.be/EZlOH1gt2O0
hueyplong
Because pedantry here seems in need of revival, I’ll note that I think the Palmer raids were in 1919-20 and not in 1914 as stated above.
Butter Emails
@Kathleen:
The problem in Ohio isn’t the Democrats, it’s the voters.
Feathers
@artem1s: I was always a Dem through and through, but the Republicans were dead to me after Gingrich held hearings into Waco and Ruby Ridge in the wake of the Oklahoma bombings. I forget the details, but that has stuck in my mind. My dad’s office lost 11 people in the Murrah Building.
One problem for these folks with the way they bully people into shutting up is that they have no idea of how many people truly hate them.
schrodingers_cat
@debbie: He is not even a citizen, he is a Canadian GC holder IIRC.
zhena gogolia
@zhena gogolia:
Oh, she preceded June Lockhart. I didn’t know that. My memories jump straight from Jan Clayton to June Lockhart.
HumboldtBlue
@burnspbesq:
Yes
sab
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): God I hope he doesn’t run. I have warmed up to him a lot in the last few years, but he has no state wide recognition. A lot of Democrats remember where he used to stand on abortion and guns. And he didn’t exactly shine in the debates. He has never had a serious challenge since his first run against Sawyer. He might be able to beat Gym Jordan, but what if the Republicans run somebody normal?
VeniceRiley
Maybe the feds burnt Tarrio because he didn’t give them the whole truth.
Keith P.
Maybe put them all in an Arizona prison camp, give them pink clothes to wear, and Nutraloaf 3x/day. I’m sure they’d appreciate the irony in that.
SiubhanDuinne
@Aleta:
I’ve always known that Cloris Leachman played Timmy’s mother, briefly, but I had entirely forgotten — if, indeed, it ever registered — that the theme music was Valentin’s aria from Gounod’s Faust.
debbie
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
Yes, DeWine will push the curfew back an hour, providing the new cases numbers stay low. If people misbehave, he’ll make the curfew earlier. I predict a range war before too long.
Ryan seems to have become more reasonable. I would take him over Gym any day. I would like Corday to run.
Omnes Omnibus
What are the odds?
debbie
@Ohio Mom:
Nan Whaley.
Sure Lurkalot
@zhena gogolia: Yes! With the pointy bra and the whips with Harvey Korman…I need to go look for that gem.
HumboldtBlue
Ya’ll showing your age pulling out Lassie memories, I don’t even remember that damn dog that well.
Here’s Marjorie Taylor Greene’s daughter telling you libtards to leave her mom alone!
debbie
@sab:
I just don’t think she can stand up to all the bullying. She’s too kind and sweet.
ETA: Integrity? In a political race??? ???
sab
@Ohio Mom: Nan Whaley, Dayton mayor.
debbie
@Feathers:
Not that she’ll hear it, but Janet Reno deserves an apology from conservatives.
sab
Duplicate comment
Brachiator
@hueyplong:
I didn’t even know what the Palmer Raids were, but after looking up a headline summary, I would say, yeah, they would have had to happen after the 1917 Revolution.
raven
So this morning we were celebrating that a nearby county vaccinated all their school personnel, tonite that county had all its vaccine supplies suspended for 6 months.
debbie
@schrodingers_cat:
Yes, you’re right, but he’s referred to as a founder in Wikipedia. He’s also been at the front of the group in most photos I have seen of the Proud Boys.
zhena gogolia
@SiubhanDuinne:
OMG, you’re right! Are you sure Gounod didn’t rip it off from Lassie?
sab
@debbie: Integrity as health director. Maybe didn’t want to be forced to say what she didn’t believe, like Brix did under Trump.
debbie
@raven:
That’s absolutely criminal.
sab
@schrodingers_cat: Can we yank his GC? Sedition and rioting seems like a big no-no.
arrieve
@SiubhanDuinne: Thank you! “You’re bananas, you know that?”
HumboldtBlue
BruceFromOhio
@Elie:
Not where he should be, that is certain.
Jinchi
Counterpoint: We thought the last election was stolen.
Hillary conceded the day after the election and Trump was invited to tour the White House by Barack, because Trump had won by the rules as written and there wasn’t proof of fraud. The left wing response was protest marches and voter drives.
raven
@HumboldtBlue: someone needs to just kick the fucking shit out of her.
zhena gogolia
@Jinchi:
I agree with you. I don’t understand this point Martin keeps making. Gore’s election was stolen too. And possibly Kerry’s.
tom
@sab: Is there anyone normal left in the Republican party?
Elizabelle
@zhena gogolia: Yes to both of those.
catclub
This.Impeachment will go nowhere, but all the rules about not indicting sitting presidents is no longer applicable. Let’s see how he does with a jury from DC
raven
@tom: Abbie
Brachiator
@zhena gogolia:
Lassie wrote country and western tunes. She didn’t do classical music.
Poe Larity
@HumboldtBlue: Gold, Jerry!
JFC on a pogo stick
sab
@tom: Husted, Kasich, Yost, LaRose
ETA: Ohio doesn’t often elect total assholes to statewide office. We did elect Kasich, but he calmed down pretty quickly when he realized he was lucky to be elected and he’d better clean up his act. We sort of handed him his head with SB 5 (the anti-public union law the voters repealed.)
Omnes Omnibus
@Brachiator: Not under the name Lassie.
Wag
@Keith P.:
I’m sure the Shaman would be on board so long as the nutriloaf was organic. And I’m sure Trump wouldn’t mind it three meals a day, either.
Miss Bianca
@HumboldtBlue:
What, Greene before Boebert?
MisterForkbeard
@HumboldtBlue: Until we find out who it was, we should just assume that every Republican Senator was there.
schrodingers_cat
@sab: That’s up to Biden’s USCIS and ICE.
HumboldtBlue
@raven:
Particularly for what she did to Hogg.
tom
@sab: fair enough. I live in a state directly north of yours, so my view of Ohio politics is somewhat … skewed :)
Kathleen
@debbie: That would be horrible for her. Did you hear about the shots that were fired on the home of the Assistant Medical Director for the Ohio Department of Health?
https://www.whio.com/news/local/shots-fired-into-home-ohio-health-official-no-injuries/UET3SVRIVRH3XGO7NLO272UQ7Y/
raven
@HumboldtBlue: Roger that.
HumboldtBlue
@Miss Bianca:
Porque no los dos?
@MisterForkbeard:
Yup.
different-church-lady
@Martin:
Not the way they did it. Not a chance.
Kathleen
@Ohio Mom: Yup. This guy. Or JD Vance. Or Gym Jordan.
I like Nan Whaley, the mayor of Dayton. She was mayor during the tornado and the mass shooting in Oregon district. I also prefer a candidate with a proven track record of good governance as quaint as that sounds!
Kathleen
@sab: I did not know Connie Schultz was supporting her.
SiubhanDuinne
@zhena gogolia:
Could be. Lassie is just that old.
Kathleen
@Butter Emails: The other issue is gerrymandering. I went to session sponsored by Common Cause several years ago to promote support for a bill to change how districts are drawn in Ohio. Presentation included overview of 2012 election which stated that Democratic candidates got more votes (at the state level) but because of how districts were drawn Dem candidates did not win. OTOH we do have our share of crap voters.
SiubhanDuinne
@arrieve:
“By the way, do you know how to remove chocolate stains?”
debbie
@Kathleen:
Yes, I heard. WTF is with these yahoos?
Brachiator
@Omnes Omnibus:
Did not know that about Lassie. I recall that Rin Tin Tin wrote a number of songs in the key of Arf.
Kathleen
@debbie: I love Cordray but he did poorly against DeWine. A friend of mine who’s been a political activist for years thinks he’s too boring. I just think he’s a great candidate.
Timill
@Brachiator: What about the polyphonic motets?
Kathleen
@debbie: Yes she does.
Chetan Murthy
@different-church-lady:
Yes, and yet …. I think most of us Dems value society, and value organized society. We recognize the downsides of armed insurrection, and we’re not going there without really good reasons. So imagine that Trump had somehow won in 2020, and he proceeded to do as we all feared: at some point soon after, I think there might have been armed resistance. And it would have led to a dark time. And the government would have treated people who resisted as criminals and terrorists. It’s the way it always works: what’s that line about “none dare call it treason; for it prospers, it’s not treason” or something like that?
These GrOPer politicians levied armed struggle against the duly constituted government of the United States. They need to pay the price for that.
Kathleen
@zhena gogolia: Yup.
Kathleen
@tom: No.
Kathleen
@debbie: News reports of “Ohio militia members” being involved in the plot to kidnap Governor Whitmer or the Capitol terrorist attack are way too frequent. I heard a news story about FBI, SWAT, Sherriff, ATF and some other LEA searching a house in one of our execrable exurbs. Never heard another word about why. This was 1 or 2 days before the plot against Whitmer was announced.
NotMax
@Brachiator
Back when it was still a first-run program, no one I knew who watched it could figure out what the farm produced, as never saw evidence of agriculture going on.
We finally decided they were dust farmers.
Wag
@SiubhanDuinne:
Awesome. I never realized hom effectively MTM skewered Minnesota nice.
Brachiator
@NotMax:
I was never quite sure what the Real McCoys were producing, either. They might have said, but I never paid attention.
Kattails
@HumboldtBlue: a lagniappe from that link–reading some of the retweets below– “if Biden unfucks Donald’s mistakes any faster there’ll be no Jr., Ivanka, or Eric by Friday.” (TeaRoomBetty) LOL
The Fat White Duchess
@Leto: And in New York, these clinics.
sab
@Kathleen: Check her twitter.
HumboldtBlue
@Kattails:
I laughed at that as well.
Elsewhere:
Here’s a clip of AOC pointing out the GOP is now the White Nationalist Party.
Just Chuck
@HumboldtBlue: “White Nationalist” has always sounded like a wishy-washy euphemism to me. We should call them what they are: White Supremacists.
Jeffro
@HumboldtBlue: the GOP has definitely let themselves devolve into the White Nationalist/Supremacist Party. It’s astonishing that they can’t rouse themselves to demand better representation, kick their more embarrassing/idiotic/treasonous members aside, or even begin to articulate what they stand for other than “white Christian people good; all else bad”.
Let’s stay strong and call them out at every turn and make them face what they’ve embraced. They’ve had it both ways forever and a day. Now, it’s theirs: they own it. This isn’t the Republican Party anymore, it’s the White Nationalist Party.
persistentillusion
@Alison Rose: I had a similar experience in the Bahamas, but it was being seated at a table next to G. Gordon Liddy and a hooker. Who was fulsome in her praise for Gordon ordering a whole split of champagne. Woohoo!
debbie
@debbie:
I misspoke. Reducing the curfew will be based on hospitalizations, not new cases.
burnspbesq
@HumboldtBlue:
Gomez is a good choice to do Pelosi’s dirty work. His district, CA-34, is rated D+35 by Cook. It stretches from Pico-Union through Downtown LA and Boyle Heights up to Highland Park.
Barbara
@aliasofwestgate: Thanks for reinforcing a point I tried to make earlier. These products are tracked by batch ID from the factory to the dispensing party. They cannot be “lost.” If they are “lost” they are adulterated as a matter of law and cannot be administered.
Ken
Dewine needs to read Balloon Juice. He’d learn something about lags in COVID progression.
Denali
I nominate Kay.
dnfree
@Martin: you are right to keep saying this. Republicans want to put it in the rear view mirror because so many of them not only were, but still are complicit or even beyond complicit. It’s enraging.