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Make It Stop

by Tim F|  October 3, 20064:40 pm| 57 Comments

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Josh Marshall suggests another major development within the hour. Did Foley flip for the FBI? What else could his lawyers have to hold a presser about?

And this is so goddamned wrong.

***Update***

Foley’s lawyer claims that he did bad things because he was molested by a priest. That may well be, but as an excuse Foley’s “bombshell” simply falls on its face. Plenty of those abused by priests became perfectly functional adults. Maybe Mark Foley had a traumatic childhood experience, but he took advantage of kids because he is a power-drunk shithead.

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  1. 1.

    chefrad

    October 3, 2006 at 4:45 pm

    gantlet

  2. 2.

    chefrad

    October 3, 2006 at 4:45 pm

    gantlet

  3. 3.

    Richard Bottoms

    October 3, 2006 at 4:46 pm

    Rough Rider.

    Oh dear.

    BTW, what do the Log Cabon Republicans have to say about this? I’m guessing their next meeting might be small enough to be held in a phone booth.

  4. 4.

    Dreggas

    October 3, 2006 at 4:46 pm

    *snickers* shouldn’t it be “bare backer” award?

    Sorry I know, I should behave being a new poster and all and that just wasn’t right and lord please forgive me and be with the starving pygmies in New Guinea.

  5. 5.

    Steve

    October 3, 2006 at 4:53 pm

    James Dobson:

    Those truly interested in protecting children from online predators should spend less time calling for Speaker Hastert to step down, and more time demanding that the Justice Department enforce existing laws that would limit the proliferation of the kind of filth that leads grown men to think it’s perfectly OK to send lurid e-mails to 16-year-old boys.

    Ladies and gentlemen, the Party of Personal Responsibility.

  6. 6.

    jg

    October 3, 2006 at 4:59 pm

    The internet will be less ‘free’ because of this.

  7. 7.

    Perry Como

    October 3, 2006 at 5:02 pm

    Bah. Foley was diddled by a priest.

  8. 8.

    ThymeZone

    October 3, 2006 at 5:05 pm

    Well, I heard the thing, and heard nothing new at all.

    I did hear some self-serving crap which I might have more to say about later tonight.

    Waste of time, this press conference.

  9. 9.

    Keith

    October 3, 2006 at 5:07 pm

    Hardly a bombshell. I was more surprised that Michael Reagan was forced to be in a porno shoot as a kid.

  10. 10.

    Andrew

    October 3, 2006 at 5:08 pm

    “Log Cabon Republicans”

    Did the Log Cabin and Log Cabron Republicans merge recently?

  11. 11.

    ThymeZone

    October 3, 2006 at 5:10 pm

    there are some people that try to tear us down. We are the insulation to protect this country, and if they get to me it looks like they could affect our election as well.

    Hastert, apparently on the subject of political pressure to “get him” in the Foley case.

    Honestly, if I didn’t see this, I wouldn’t have believed it, but DKos has the quote up on their front page.

    Seriously, can you believe this motherf**ker?

  12. 12.

    Mary

    October 3, 2006 at 5:13 pm

    ABC breaking news: “FORMER CONGRESSMAN MARK FOLEY WAS MOLESTED BY A CLERGYMAN AS A TEENAGER AND IS GAY, ACCORDING TO HIS ATTORNEY”

  13. 13.

    Mary

    October 3, 2006 at 5:14 pm

    Uh, parsing that, does that mean that Papists create Teh Gay?

  14. 14.

    Steve

    October 3, 2006 at 5:15 pm

    Bah. Foley was diddled by a priest.

    Snore.

    I’m sure it’s all the priest’s fault, although I hate to disagree with Dobson, who blames the Justice Department, somehow, for sending the message that chasing pages is okay.

    Ladies and gentlemen, the Party of Personal Responsibility.

  15. 15.

    sglover

    October 3, 2006 at 5:15 pm

    Denny’s scared. You’re only hearing his vocal chords twitching in a familiar way. His brain is disengaged, frantically looping, trying to dream up something, anything, to get him out of the box he’s in.

  16. 16.

    Punchy

    October 3, 2006 at 5:15 pm

    He blamed a clergyman for his pedophillic (not his term) tendencies, and announced he’s gay.

    So, in one fell swoop, he’s demonized gays AND wants desperately to be portrayed as the victim.

    See, we can’t blame him anymore. All the blame NOW must be on his unnamed clergyman.

  17. 17.

    sglover

    October 3, 2006 at 5:16 pm

    ABC breaking news: “FORMER CONGRESSMAN MARK FOLEY WAS MOLESTED BY A CLERGYMAN AS A TEENAGER AND IS GAY, ACCORDING TO HIS ATTORNEY”

    I guess the “I’m an alcoholic” line doesn’t have the oomph it once did…..

  18. 18.

    Dreggas

    October 3, 2006 at 5:21 pm

    We should start a betting pool on what his next excuse will be.

    1. – alcoholism as evidenced by checking into rehab.

    2. – abused by a priest.

    3. – gay – gimme an f’ing break this does NOT factor into this

    4. – Traumatized by the blue dress possessed used as evidence against Clinton, Foley could no longer sleep with women.

    This is just more crap. People aren’t buying it I hope.

  19. 19.

    jg

    October 3, 2006 at 5:29 pm

    That may well be, but as an excuse Foley’s “bombshell” simply falls on its face.

    On what planet have you been hanging out? This excuse is perfect. The blame is now spread over everything the base hates. Facts have nothing to do with this being a perfect excuse. This will now be a reason people go to the polls and vote FOR republicans. October Surprise.

  20. 20.

    Steve

    October 3, 2006 at 5:36 pm

    On what planet have you been hanging out? This excuse is perfect. The blame is now spread over everything the base hates. Facts have nothing to do with this being a perfect excuse. This will now be a reason people go to the polls and vote FOR republicans. October Surprise.

    This post is so spoofy it reads like DougJ on crack. Mark Foley got molested by his priest, so everyone is going to vote Republican now? Can anyone follow this?

  21. 21.

    ThymeZone

    October 3, 2006 at 5:39 pm

    Drinks are on me, everybody to the bar Juice Bar!

    Now that we know what alcohol can do, I thought I’d better revise my earlier exhortation.

  22. 22.

    jg

    October 3, 2006 at 5:42 pm

    This post is so spoofy it reads like DougJ on crack. Mark Foley got molested by his priest, so everyone is going to vote Republican now? Can anyone follow this?

    Steve give me a break. You know this press conference is the latest in a series of moves designed to turn this issue into a rallying cry for the base. Blaming the issue on being molested by priests (gay ones I bet) is beautiful, its poetic. Its also the dems fault. And gays in general. And the young boys fault. This issue allows them to bring out the whole ‘gays only like young boys’ trope. Dems want to allow gays to have sex with young boys in public instead of having a manger scene. The base will eat this up. Don’t be so naive.

  23. 23.

    Keith

    October 3, 2006 at 5:47 pm

    Now is not the time for the Blame Game.

    Sorry, had to bring that one out of mothballs.

  24. 24.

    Steve

    October 3, 2006 at 5:49 pm

    Dems want to allow gays to have sex with young boys in public instead of having a manger scene. The base will eat this up. Don’t be so naive.

    Nope, sorry. They’re not going to make Mark Foley into a Democrat by calling press conferences.

  25. 25.

    Jon H

    October 3, 2006 at 5:59 pm

    Foley’s saying he hasn’t had sex with any of the interns, but I bet that’s not true and he’s just betting nobody will come forward.

  26. 26.

    jg

    October 3, 2006 at 5:59 pm

    Steve Says:

    Dems want to allow gays to have sex with young boys in public instead of having a manger scene. The base will eat this up. Don’t be so naive.

    Nope, sorry. They’re not going to make Mark Foley into a Democrat by calling press conferences.

    Well that certainly isn’t what I meant. Not even close actually. I’ll let you work this out an your own since the combination of my poor writing skills and whatever the fuck is wrong with your reading skills today is getting us nowhere.

  27. 27.

    Tsulagi

    October 3, 2006 at 6:07 pm

    A priest? Okay, that works, blame it on the Christians.

    See what happens when you mix Dobson with Repub conservatism? You get a perv writing IMs with one hand while the other tries to finish quickly so he can get to a ceremony presenting a Rough Rider award to another lucky recipient.

  28. 28.

    Steve

    October 3, 2006 at 6:09 pm

    You seem to be saying that a Republican did something perverted, but somehow the Republicans are going to use it to rally the base by claiming that Democrats made him perverted in the first place. Like I said, I’m having real trouble wrapping my head around this point you’re making, and I’d love it if someone else would step in and explain it to me, but I’m getting the sense that no one else understands either.

    “With the revelation that Foley was molested by his priest, this issue now becomes a huge base-rallying win for the GOP.” Never mind that I can’t understand your reasoning behind that claim. It’s absolutely insane on its face.

  29. 29.

    jg

    October 3, 2006 at 6:16 pm

    You seem to be saying that a Republican did something perverted, but somehow the Republicans are going to use it to rally the base by claiming that Democrats made him perverted in the first place. Like I said, I’m having real trouble wrapping my head around this point you’re making

    Might have something to do with the fact that I’m not making that point. I never said the dems made him a pervert, I never even implied it. I said they will use this issue to bring out all their old time favorite talking points and turn this into a rallying cry for the base. The facts of the situation don’t matter. the base wants to hear that the republicans are innocent in this and that’s exactly what they will recieve. Blaming it on a priest is a start. It leads to blaming it on gays. Which opens another door….

  30. 30.

    ThymeZone

    October 3, 2006 at 7:21 pm

    The facts of the situation don’t matter.

    I think that’s one thing we can all agree on … where Republicans are concerned, the facts won’t matter. Just the ones they think operate in their favor. The other ones …. ignore ’em.

    They’re already at it today.

  31. 31.

    HyperIon

    October 3, 2006 at 7:55 pm

    A priest? Okay, that works, blame it on the Christians

    in the florida backwater where i grew up, the southern baptists were very clear about how catholics were not real christians because they worshipped mary, had idols (statues) in the church, did not condemn alcohol use, did not read the bible, blah, blah, blah. i think dobson and falwell and robertson (and a lot of the base) might be from that same tradition.

  32. 32.

    Krista

    October 3, 2006 at 7:56 pm

    Blaming it on a priest is a start.

    I don’t think that’ll fly well with the Christian base. The ones in the clergy won’t like having everybody reminded of those old scandals. And the ones who aren’t in the clergy won’t accept that as an excuse for preying on kids.

    That’s just my guess.

  33. 33.

    t. jasper parnell

    October 3, 2006 at 7:58 pm

    The “base” is what? 32 percent? of the vote. What about the none base who already have doubts this ought push them away from the Party in Power. Mr. Cole came to his conclusions about the current Administration well before this event; anyone want to be that those not belonging to the hard core nut cases base will find this a straw on some nearly lame camel’s back?

  34. 34.

    The Other Steve

    October 3, 2006 at 9:02 pm

    You seem to be saying that a Republican did something perverted, but somehow the Republicans are going to use it to rally the base by claiming that Democrats made him perverted in the first place. Like I said, I’m having real trouble wrapping my head around this point you’re making, and I’d love it if someone else would step in and explain it to me, but I’m getting the sense that no one else understands either.

    I think jg is right. No offense, Steve, but the intended target is the Focus on the Family voters.

    These are the people who equate gay with pedophile.

    So he’ll go in for a prayer session and they’ll cast the gayness right out of him.

  35. 35.

    The Other Steve

    October 3, 2006 at 9:05 pm

    in the florida backwater where i grew up, the southern baptists were very clear about how catholics were not real christians because they worshipped mary, had idols (statues) in the church, did not condemn alcohol use, did not read the bible, blah, blah, blah. i think dobson and falwell and robertson (and a lot of the base) might be from that same tradition.

    I wonder what does that make Russian/Greek Orthodox, with their icons?

    But yes, the Baptists will secretly say this is really the Catholics fault. They won’t say it out loud though, because well, they’re not dumb. Gotta hold the coalition of hate together.

  36. 36.

    Alexandra

    October 3, 2006 at 9:09 pm

    You mean, he was abused by a priest, and that was so destructive and horrible that he decided that the best way to recover from that was to do the same thing to young children today? Oh, that’s going to get him a lot of sympathy.

  37. 37.

    Hyperion

    October 3, 2006 at 9:25 pm

    I wonder what does that make Russian/Greek Orthodox, with their icons?

    commies and pederasts!

    but, seriously, do not conflate Baptists and Southern Baptists. the former are just run of the mill protestants; the latter lean toward racism/sexism.

  38. 38.

    jg

    October 3, 2006 at 9:41 pm

    You mean, he was abused by a priest, and that was so destructive and horrible that he decided that the best way to recover from that was to do the same thing to young children today? Oh, that’s going to get him a lot of sympathy.

    More like being gay isn’t his fault. It was forced on him by people (evil gay people) in authority during his youth. The real focus is on the evil of the gay. He was made gay and since all gays are pedophiles……the real blame lies with Clinton. And Sandy Berger, he had IMs stuffed in his socks.

  39. 39.

    CaseyL

    October 3, 2006 at 11:23 pm

    I don’t know why Foley even had the presser. He’s out of politics for good; what he said doesn’t make things any better for the people now in the sweatbox; and SFAIK, “I was abused as a child” isn’t a defense against whatever he’s going to be charged with that a jury will buy.

    Spinning and flailing; flailing and spinning.

    Demonizing priests, gays, and whatnot will probably fly just fine with Greater Wingnuttia – but their day is done. Their only hope of staying relevant, much less in power, depends on Bush deciding he’s just not leaving in ’09 and deputizing them all as brownshirts.

  40. 40.

    DougJ

    October 4, 2006 at 12:10 am

    I don’t see how it helps that he was molested too…unless the person who molested him was a Democratic Congressman. I don’t think we had any priests serving in Congres at the time, though.

    For what it’s worth, I see no reason not to believe his story. I genuinely feel sorry for the guy. It’s the party leaders that I reserve my anger for. Foley’s mentally ill, these guys are morally ill.

  41. 41.

    Tim F.

    October 4, 2006 at 8:44 am

    Regarding James Dobson et al: evangelicals have no great love for Catholics. Theirs is a marriage of convenience at best, and a relatively recent one, so Foley’s revelation won’t put the fundies off too much.

    However I don’t see much political calculation going on here. Foley just wants to make himself look less like a manipulative prick and more like a tragic figure. At this point he would much prefer to have people regard him with pity than whatever it is most of us are feeling right now.

  42. 42.

    Cyrus

    October 4, 2006 at 9:35 am

    t. jasper parnell Says:
    The “base” is what? 32 percent? of the vote. What about the none base who already have doubts this ought push them away from the Party in Power. Mr. Cole came to his conclusions about the current Administration well before this event; anyone want to be that those not belonging to the hard core nut cases base will find this a straw on some nearly lame camel’s back?

    I’ve alwaysy loved this post, where someone calculated a 27 percent Crazification Factor in the population. So my point is, I agree with you, and we have an idea of how far we could possibly hope to see Republican approval ratings drop.

  43. 43.

    The Other Steve

    October 4, 2006 at 10:29 am

    but, seriously, do not conflate Baptists and Southern Baptists. the former are just run of the mill protestants; the latter lean toward racism/sexism.

    All Baptists look the same to me.

    But then I’m a Presbyterian. :-)

  44. 44.

    Paul L.

    October 4, 2006 at 10:43 am

    I predict that the Foley story will now disappear from the MSM and lefty blogs.
    Get Your Lawyers… Foleygate Scandal About to Bust Open!

  45. 45.

    Steve

    October 4, 2006 at 10:51 am

    Oh yeah, baby! Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame will be indicted any day now for covering up the Foley story, I can just tell.

    Note how Paul’s link cites approvingly to this sick right-wing blogger who apparently figured out the name of one of Foley’s victims and intends to out him publicly. What a scumbag.

  46. 46.

    Tim F.

    October 4, 2006 at 11:03 am

    Yep, this ranks up there with predicting that the Wilsons will be indicted. Good luck with that.

  47. 47.

    Paul L.

    October 4, 2006 at 11:16 am

    Yep, this ranks up there with predicting that the Wilsons will be indicted. Good luck with that.

    Here let me fix that.
    Yep, this ranks up there with predicting that the Wilsons Karl Rove will be indicted. Good luck with that.

  48. 48.

    Steve

    October 4, 2006 at 11:19 am

    Here’s the breathless first paragraph of Paul’s link:

    What we know now…

    Radical Gay Rights Activists held on to information about Representative Foley for months and years. These “Rights Activists” knew that representative Foley had relationships with “young men less than half his age.” They did their own investigation on Foley. They even flew in their sources in to be interviewed about the Representative. They shared this information with the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. They held on to the information for over a year. They wrote about how they would break the story at midterm elections.

    The truth?

    Some gay activists have known that Foley is gay for a long time, and have repeatedly threatened to out him. They have gone so far to conceal this information that they plastered it all over the Internet. Someone says Foley was hitting on guys less than half his age (half of 52 is 26) at the Republican convention, but we’re going to call it a “relationship” cause it sounds more incriminating. Oh, and one time they called the DCCC about it, but they never got a call back.

    Yeah, that’s gonna blow this story apart. THE LEFT KNEW FOLEY WAS GAY!

  49. 49.

    Pb

    October 4, 2006 at 11:26 am

    I suppose if they believed all that fantasy slander crap about Clinton, then they’ll swallow all of this lunacy too. But where does Hillary tie in?!

  50. 50.

    chopper

    October 4, 2006 at 11:27 am

    Yeah, that’s gonna blow this story apart. THE LEFT SOME GAY RIGHTS ACTIVISTS KNEW FOLEY WAS GAY!

    even better.

  51. 51.

    DougJ

    October 4, 2006 at 11:40 am

    I like that the Republicans can’t even convince people to be afraid of Nancy Pelosi, now they’re trying to convince people to be afraid of John Aravosis.

    Good luck with that.

  52. 52.

    Larv

    October 4, 2006 at 12:52 pm

    I followed Paul L’s link to Gateway Pundit and wow, what a collection of lunacy, denial, and obfuscation. “Radical Gay Rights Activists” (love the caps) knew that Foley was gay and liked younger men? Quite the bombshell. Too bad the scandal has nothing to do with either of those facts – the scandal is that he was engaging in inappropriate behavior with 16 year old congressional pages. The Blogactive article GP’s touting mentions Foley hitting on “young men less than half his age”, which would include men up to 25, well over the age of consent. It quite clearly doesn’t say that he was propositioning very young men who were in a very vulnerable position relative to him, which is what the whole problem is. Certain denizens of the right are trying very hard to pretend that this scandal is all about teh gay, rather than about the harrassment and abuse of minors and the apparent lack of interest by the Republican leadership in stopping it. To them, the real story apparently is that this is a vast left-wing/Radical Gay Activist conspiracy against Foley and the Republican leadership. Yeesh. I suppose I have to give them an A for effort, but its Fs across the board for logic, reasoning, and consistency.

    Also, I love how it’s apparently reprehensible for the Radical Gay Rights Activists (hereafter RGRAs) to supposedly have planned to release the emails for maximal political effect, but it’s okey-dokey for that jackass Wild Bill to publicize the name of one of Foley’s targets for, um, well, some sort of reason or another. Maybe to prove that he’s a Democratic plant, or even a RGRA himself? I’m sure he has a good reason, anyways, and isn’t just playing politics or anything deplorable like that.

  53. 53.

    Pb

    October 4, 2006 at 1:19 pm

    The GOP projection and persecution complex is legion, but I think I’ve got this one figured out. You see, they ‘question the timing’, and they just *know* that there’s a Democratic conspiracy behind this, even if they don’t have a shred of proof (or, for that matter, even if there’s proof to the contrary) for a few reasons. First, projection–that’s what they’d do. Second, persecution (and simple-mindedness)–they’re being attacked, so it must be an *enemy* doing the attacking.

    But past that, it’s clear that if this wasn’t in fact a hit job, then someone who (a) knew about this and (b) had a shred of human decency brought this to ABC’s attention and broke the story. And ABC says that if anything, it was a Republican (psst… probably one of the pages, you ignorant dolts!) who did. In their minds, this does not compute at all–a Republican with a shred of human decency who would *betray the Republican party*?! Nope, it must have been a Democrat!

    How sad.

  54. 54.

    Paul L.

    October 4, 2006 at 1:46 pm

    The GOP projection and persecution complex is legion,

    Why should the GOP be sceptical? Nothing ever happened like this in the past. It not like a major network (CBS) tried to manipulate the outcome of a Presidential election with forged documents.

  55. 55.

    chopper

    October 4, 2006 at 1:55 pm

    The GOP projection and persecution complex is legion, but I think I’ve got this one figured out. You see, they ‘question the timing’, and they just know that there’s a Democratic conspiracy behind this, even if they don’t have a shred of proof (or, for that matter, even if there’s proof to the contrary) for a few reasons. First, projection—that’s what they’d do. Second, persecution (and simple-mindedness)—they’re being attacked, so it must be an enemy doing the attacking.

    projection — that’s what they’d do

    persecution — that’s what they’d do

    time it just right — that’s what they’d do

    so of course the GOP thinks its a dem conspiracy. they’re just considering what they’d do if the tables were turned.

  56. 56.

    Steve

    October 4, 2006 at 2:21 pm

    Why should the GOP be sceptical? Nothing ever happened like this in the past. It not like a major network (CBS) tried to manipulate the outcome of a Presidential election with forged documents.

    Interesting that you should bring up a case that was made with, you know, evidence.

    Ever since this shining moment for the right-wing blogosphere, they’ve been trying to replicate it by casting doubt on everything, whether or not they have a shred of evidence. They seem to miss the point that “I question everything the liberal media tells me!” is no more valid a position than “I blindly accept everything the Bush Administration tells me!” (Detainees at Gitmo are interrogated in comfy chairs? Well, Mark Steyn says so!)

    Who could ever forget the leaked GOP strategy memo during the Schiavo affair? “Looks fake to me,” said Michelle Malkin. “Sounds like a left-wing fantasy of how conservatives talk,” said Powerline. “It’s an obvious fake! Republicans would never make those typos! It’s Rathergate Part II!” And then Mel Martinez’s legal counsel admitted that he wrote it. Oops.

    Just the other day, we had a different paranoid right-winger crying foul about the Bill Frist/Taliban story. “How could Frist possibly be in Afghanistan?! I think the AP byline is a lie!” Oh, wait, Frist’s own website says he’s in Afghanistan? The answer was the exact same as Paul’s – well, gosh, the media is just so misleading, how could I ever believe them when they claim Bill Frist gave a press conference in Afghanistan. Cause, you know, it just SOUNDS like the kind of thing the media would lie about.

    And now the pathology is playing out again. “We just KNOW those IMs were leaked to the press by Democratic operatives!” Well, actually, the reporter says he didn’t get them from a partisan source, and it’s most likely from the Republican page who received the IMs in the first place. “He’s lying, just like Dan Rather! We just KNOW he is!”

    We’re in serious black-helicopter territory at this point, folks.

  57. 57.

    Krista

    October 4, 2006 at 5:44 pm

    Regarding James Dobson et al: evangelicals have no great love for Catholics.

    Hm. Sounds like the Baptist churches up here. You’ve got the First Baptist Church, the Evangelical Baptist Church, the Holy Baptist Chuch, and the We-Don’t-Like-Any-Of-The-Other-Baptists Baptist Church.

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