Seems this shin-dig is starting promptly at five pm. I am watching on C-Span for now, because I simply can not take any more babble from the pinheads.
5:27 pm: Ok. This is boring as hell, so I will talk about something else for a bit. About the ‘Greek Columns’ nonsense that the blogosphere seems consumed with today- have people simply not learned? Sure, the Obama campaign probably thought they were just using something nondescript that every fucking building in DC has, and thought it wouldn’t cause a problem, but what people fail to remember is that no matter what they did, the wingnuts and their surrogates would have a field day no matter what.
You really don’t have to read folks like Tom Maguire for too long (and I have been reading him for years) to realize that no matter what the backdrop was, he and others would be mocking it. If it were nothing but American flags, Tom and others would claim he is really over-doing the patriotism because he knows he is weak on the issue. If it were just a normal stage with a few flags, Tom and others would claim it seems like he is afraid of overdoing the flags because the left-wing base hates America and would be turned off. Heads they win, tails you lose.
So it is Greek columns in the background, and Tom and others are mocking it. I am shocked by this turn of events.
5:35 pm: This is really boring as hell.
5:36 pm: A republican turncoat is nominating Obama. There are a lot of us, bro.
5:38 pm: This Republican is nervous as hell. Also understandable. All those Democrats under one roof staring down at him? YIKES. Or maybe he is picking out the 72 virgins Soros promised him.
6:01 pm: Ok, this is actually kind of fun listening to them all add their own little spiel before voting. I think I was just hungry and crabby earlier. I wonder what the GOP Alaskan delegation will be saying during their roll call vote.
6:09 pm: The Hawaiian delegation was the best looking so far. Well, one part of the Hawaiian delegation.
6:20: The Louisiana delegation looks like the most fun to party with. I bet that woman makes a mean ass gumbo.
6:28pm: Pretty clearly, this will never make it to WV unless they do some passing and shuffling, which kind of sucks, because I might know some of the delegates. On the other hand, this state is going GOP again in 2008, so I guess there is no point giving us face time.
6:37 pm: I am doubling down on my bet from yesterday. After Hillary’s speech last night and after listening to former Clinton advisors Begala and Carville lament the lack of economic talk, I am betting that Bill Clinton unleashes holy hell tonight and rips the stuffings out of the GOP. Why? Because he can, and he misses it. Even if the reports are true that he doesn’t like Obama, I bet he gets up there and unloads, because no matter how much he does not like Obama, he hates Republicans more. Anyone want to bet? Going even farther, I bet there will be at least one point when he wags his finger and tells the people what the Republicans are saying and says “Don’t you fall for it.”
6:48 pm: And it is done. Obama is the nominee. Hillary moves to end the proceedings, and once again I don’t know how she does it. She actually looks like she is over it, and I don’t know how. There is no doubt she is a trouper.
6:54 pm: Love Train was an interesting choice.
7:01 pm: C-Span really is the way to go.
Dreggas
Is this finally working? All day long it was up and down and up again.
nightjar
TOGA TOGA TOGA!!
cmorenc
I’m torn between watching C-Span to view the convention as it SHOULD mostly be presented by the MSM (analysis after speakers)
…and watching CNN/MSNBC to see what most of the portion of the general public who are watching the convention (instead of ignoring it for something else) are seeing and hearing.
QUERY: Is it fortunate or is it unfortunate for the dems that the majority of people who will actually watch part of the democratic convention will likely only tune in to hear Barack Obama’s address tomorrow night, rather than any substantial portion of the rest of this week, given how stupendously awful most of the available MSM convention coverage has been?
DZ
The Obama-speech set appears to resemble the Lincoln Memorial, for reasons that — for most sentient people and maybe one or two McCain staffers — should not be difficult to surmise.
I guess Obama should land at Invesco Field in an Air Force fighter jet, get out in a flight suit and declare the election over. That way, the Republicans couldn’t paint him as presumptuous.
Then again, they probably still would.
Dreggas
John,
There was a Diary over at the GOS pointing out that the columns may just be part of the stage “skeleton” since the whole thing isn’t set up yet. Also the ones on the sides seem to be for holding giant televisions. But I guess it’s the reason d’jour to wet ones pants over by some people.
cleek
fortunate.
most of the speakers are bad at delivering their horribly boring and content-free speeches.
and, they should really put the big names up at 9:00 or so.
Ted
I still can’t avoid watching it on MSNBC. The interactions between Maddow and Buchanan are too good to miss.
Rome Again
Why would you consider the nominating process boring? This is the part that may prove the most interesting. Granted, it’s not filled with music and lights and fanfare, but, it’s the hard work that needs to be done, and there IS controversy attached to this current nomination so sparks may fly (not that I’m hoping to see that personally).
br
Jesus, John, can you go yell at Sullivan for a bit? Do you He’s been in hysterics today about how everything is going to hell and the democrats are committing suicide and Obama has lost the last four weeks. What’s wrong with that guy that makes him so apoplectic?
I mean, for christ’s sake about the columns. George Bush used columns too.
I know this convention is super boring, but what do you think the Republican convention is going to be? Excitement city? It will probably just a bunch of old people boringly taunting Obama and trying to make lemonade out of the shit pile they’ve landed us in after 8 years.
Rome Again
Former Clintonite Wasserman-Schultz of FL giving the nomination second for Obama is a great idea.
Matt
Umm…Virgins? This is the Democratic Convention…not the Republican one…besides…the Republican virgins tend to be old white closeted homosexuals.
John Cole
Any time spent not making Bush and McCain look worse or Obama and Biden look better is time wasted.
Rome Again
So you’re in it for the food fight and not so much for seeing the process work? I understand.
OriGuy
Thursday is the 40th anniversary of the “I have a dream” speech. Which was in Washington, D.C. In front of the Lincoln Memorial. Which has Greek columns.
The stage for McCain’s speech will have bamboo bars and a dirt floor, no doubt.
Incertus
Perhaps in rocket pants, with “The Final Countdown” blaring out into the Colorado night.
Texas Dem
I think Obama should enter the field tomorrow night on a golden charriot drawn by four white horses. He would be dressed in a toga and wearing a laurel wreath, just like Caeser in his triumph through the streets of Rome. The path before him would be covered with rose petals and trumpets would blare. Then Heffner’s Girls Next Door would escort him to the stage. (NOTE: By this point eight percent of the PUMAs would have dropped dead from a stroke, as would a significant number of other people in the McCain demographic. Might improve our chances just a bit).
Incertus
And crosses. There will be tons of crosses.
maxbaer (not the original)
Don’t know if anyone has linked to this. Seems McCain has a new favorite song. I guess he didn’t have Spanish lessons when he was a POW.
douglasfactors
On what basis do you make that distinction?
Alan
Is this women counting the votes related to Katherine Harris?
John Cole
It is really not that complicated a process. They nominate, they second, they then vote. As we already know that Obama has won, it is not that spectacular.
Dreggas
Columns? Bush had Steenking Columns!
stogie
Haha, read the comments at Tom Maguire. The mighty Republican party, which only six years ago was ready to lead this nation to a rebirth of mightiness, has turned into a bitchy little society of Godwin-flogging art critics. Oh my how the times have changed.
It can only be attributed to a lack of character.
Incertus
I’m kind of digging this roll-call business myself.
phobos
You know what they had just before the fall of Rome?
Greek columns.
Benjamin
Just for the record, Bush did his own acceptance speech in 2004 in front of … Greek columns.
Enough said.
t jasper parnell
Surely one or another of the states is less than great.
Rome Again
Considering some crazy Hillaryites seem to think this is going to go a different way, I think it’s important to watch the process.
Incertus
Ooh, Arkansas just flipped all their Clinton votes to Obama. The PUMAs are going to be pissed.
Dreggas
Howard Wolfson gets all pissy for being called out as being a Tool
L. Ron Obama
I expect it to be very tightly managed and choreographed. Their 2004 convention was instructive. They had scripted audience laugh lines, chanting. I felt the Kerry convention was more free-wheeling and genuine, but the Bush convention was tight, on message and had more impact. When I saw it, it was the first time I had doubts about Kerry’s chances.
So yes, I expect the Republicans this year to have the attack dogs and dynamic speakers out 100% of the time, and the media will eat it up. While we play make-up (do you think the Rs will have to spend an entire night talking their supporters down from the ledge?) and listen to snoozefests like Warner’s speech and interesting but non-dynamic speeches like Pelosi’s and generally kind of muddle through.
But we still have Biden, Clinton and Obama to go and maybe the Rs will suddenly forget how to craft a ridiculously simplistic yet effective message.
Rome Again
That was then, this is now!
Jim F.
California passes, exactly what does that mean?
John Cole
Howard has some points. Matthews has been undermining Democrats for years, and Olberman is a complete homer for Obama.
Nikki
Just a question as I’ve never watch a roll call before–Why did California pass?
Dreggas
I am hearing there will be a lot of em doing that. The reality is there’s no real disunity, but of course the Tabloid MSM needs their drama.
Rome Again
So did California pass in hopes they could put Hillary over the top?
MobiusKlein
For those 72 virgins, are they lined up in a 8 by 9 grid? Or in a line. 4 x 18, marching band style?
OriGuy
They may have done the math so that Illinois or Hawaii puts Obama over the top. It’s all carefully computed.
Dreggas
I agree that Tweety has been a major tool but that still doesn’t change the fact that Wolfson is a WATB.
Scott H
Florida got their votes in for Obama and Clinton with one abstention. Without any kerfluffle. Such an anticlimax.
Zach
ObamaTaxCut.com
I posted a version of this earlier (when the site was up and down) and people here seemed very interested. Use it to calculate what sort of tax cut you’ll get under Obama’s tax plan and how much you’ll save versus McCain’s plan. There’s also a different version of the site here: alchemytoday.com/willobamaraisemytaxes.html
Incertus
Probably the opposite. I’m guessing they passed so they wouldn’t give Clinton a lead, or even make it tight.
I was really surprised Florida flipped as many votes as it did, too.
Kevin
Well, it won’t be Hawaii.
t jasper parnell
So, for example, “The financially embarrassed state of Michigan apologetically, sorry for all the shenanigans really, casts all its votes for Barack Obama and promises not to do it again.” Or something
Ninerdave
You know McCain was never bored when he was a POW, he would have been considered himself lucky to be bored by the Dem Convention. You know he didn’t even have a TV to watch the conventions on when he was a POW?
You ungrateful lout.
Rome Again
Illinois passes?
Clinton born there, Obama represents the state: is there controversy?
Brachiator
Fixed. This would be a sweet finger to Dubya.
I heard some right wing weasel (Michael Savage??) suggest that an appearance by a candidate in a big stadium had never been done before and that Obama was intent on putting on a rock star (dog whistle) celebratory (dog whistle) presumptuously arrogant extravanganza like an Egyptian Pharoh (who let the dogs out?).
Of course, JFK delivered his acceptance speech from the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum in 1960, but the GOP Smear machine has got to work the “arrogant and presumptuous” angle no matter what.
Litlebritdifrnt
“Ooh, Arkansas just flipped all their Clinton votes to Obama. The PUMAs are going to be pissed.”
New Puma conspiracy theory develops in 3, 2, 1…
HumboldtBlue
Oh, the PUMASSES lost it long ago, but man, reading their reaction to the Arkansas delegation was a treat. More fun here …
Incertus
Maine needs to get on the stick.
Scott H
Okay. Where does the sun come up first on the US of A, Guam or Maine? I say they wrestle for it.
Rome Again
Well PUMAs can start crying in their towels, it’s over for them. ;)
Thank GOD!
Laura W
Thanks. I needed that today.
Actually, this is the most interesting thing to happen before way-past-my-bedtime all week.
After propping my eyes open with nails last night waiting for Hill to say something she really meant, I’m going to bed after TDS and Colbert on repeat tonight and taping from 9EST on…
I can do this over coffee in the morning.
And I can fast forward.
Rome Again
Got a link?
Zifnab
I just assumed all the Clinton delegates were afraid of ending up on the Obama Death List.
OriGuy
I wasn’t watching. I am now. The guy from Maine won’t shut up. I always enjoy watching this.
Oh, God. The guy from Maryland said, “the birthplace of Nancy Pelosi”, then a bunch of other people, then “and the Star Spangled Banner” Pelosi got louder applause than the Star Spangled Banner. Someone’s going to get a hair up their ass about that.
t jasper parnell
You know what else? The woman counting the votes looks remarkably like the actress who played Cliff Clayborn’s mom in Cheers, no?
Tsulagi
I’m going to do the same for the same reasons. Buchanan was the last straw.
After Hillary’s speech last night, Buchanan went on a real tardtrek. Kept going on and on about how Hillary’s supporters just can’t quit her no matter what she says or does. Saying it was love, and you just can’t reason with the heart. He wouldn’t let go of it, and like a chihuahua kept humping that theme as fast as he could for all he could get. The only reason kept watching was I was hoping to see someone swat him off that leg.
douglasfactors
New York will put him over the top, with Clinton announcing the votes.
Awesome.
jeffreyw
Roll call ends when Bama goes over the top, so the big states pass to give the lil states their minute in the lights.
Xanthippas
I don’t really understand why we’re not talking about REAL issues, like the fact that the NFL is probably going to go to an eighteen-game season.
douglasfactors
Well that would be cool anyway.
Incertus
It’s really funny. Over at riverdaughter, they’re all screaming in the comments about “how can the votes change like this?” when for the longest times, they were screaming about how the delegates weren’t technically held to anyone until they voted.
SpotWeld
Well, we got an ampitheater and a (political) geek chorus.
So why not columns?
Rome Again
I have watched these roll calls before, but damn it’s been a long time. Considering how many supposed votes Clinton had in California, that’s very deferential of them.
Dreggas
According to the liveblog over at the GOS, someone posted on the HuffPo that the head of the Arkansas delegation said they were cut off before they could say “37 for Obama and 8 for Hillary” and were misheard but they shrugged it off saying “It wasn’t a big deal”.
Snark Based Reality
Montana needs to shut the fuck up already.
Incertus
I don’t know what happened to my link–I guess I fucked it up somehow, but here’s another try.
Jon H
The greek columns are because they’re going to make Karl Rove pluck out his own eyes.
Scott H
Apparently, the disunity is everywhere but within the delegations on the convention floor. Everybody seems to be “proud” to cast their respective votes divided, however disparately, between Clinton and Obama.
Litlebritdifrnt
“It’s really funny. Over at riverdaughter, they’re all screaming in the comments about “how can the votes change like this?” when for the longest times, they were screaming about how the delegates weren’t technically held to anyone until they voted”
Okay I will bite, I was wanting to go over to a puma site to watch heads explode anyway looks live Riverdaughter is the place.
Kevin
Those people are fucking insane.
Dreggas
Now see that IS funny. Of course it was also a delegate race before it was a popular vote race and yadda yadda. What a bunch of dumbass morons.
t jasper parnell
The PUMAs would be worrisome if there were more than ten of them.
Jon H
This is classic from riverdaugher:
Incertus
Wow, they’re really doing a dance with all the yielding back and forth.
Libby
Good evening Juicers. My apologies to John for dropping in to poach the commenters but I thought some of you might like to know that there’s a live chat going on from 6:30-7:30 — that would be right now — at Art of the Possible with Glenn Greenwald. He’s going to be dishing on the convention.
slag
This is very exciting! I’m actually impressed that they got this together.
Incertus
Hillary Clinton is one classy lady.
Dreggas
Damn, that couldn’t be any more bigotted if it pulled out David Duke, donned a white sheet and paraded down main st. while lighting crosses on fire.
Scott H
Hillary just dropped the big ass rock on the PUMAs.
Snark Based Reality
And Hillary takes one in the ass for “party unity”. Lawl.
slag
Wow! The Democratic Party is a class act (esp Hillary!). Who knew?
t jasper parnell
It may be wrong, but I always find this song reassuring, it is just so damn bad, in the no hip lingo sense of bad, which is to say awful yet great, sort of like the great state of NJ
Rome Again
Thank heavens that’s finally over.
Snark Based Reality
“This wasn’t on?”
Lawl. Just lawl. Primary challenge please.
GeoX
Wow, that was REALLY effective political theater. Well done.
cleek
hey man, i don’t use no fuckin juice !
w vincentz
Good for Hillary. Unamimous acclimation.
Magical Unity Politics (and ponies)!
Bondo
My understanding of Robert’s Rules is that you cannot double yeild. I think it was improper parliamentary procedure for Illinois to yield to New York having been yielded to by New Mexico. But whatever…I remember when Coloradans refused to call it Invesco Field…it seems we’ve gotten over that.
cleek
and the PUMAs have a new hook to hang their hopes on !
neil
New York comes immediately after New Mexico in the roll call. Illinois merely yielded back to the roll.
Nice try, PUMAs!
zzyzx
Ah, that’s why they waited until NM.
MSNBC is actually doing well right now.
w vincentz
The next thing the PUMAs will do is return to their hotel rooms and search feverishly for their PMS medications, the ones easily identified by the teeth marks in the cap.
Oh the tears!
nightjar
Barrack Obama hates the Alphabet, cruel sumbitch.
tavella
The next thing the PUMAs will do is return to their hotel rooms and search feverishly for their PMS medications, the ones easily identified by the teeth marks in the cap.
Oh the tears!
You know, the creepy misogyny of some of Obama’s supporters is a real turnoff. You endlessly obsess over ‘PUMAs’, much of which is pure Republican ratfucking. Many of Ron Paul’s supporters will never vote for McCain, but you never see any such creepy sexually based critique of them or him.
Some of Clinton’s supporters will never vote for Obama; cope.
Litlebritdifrnt
Touchdown comment from the Riverdaughter thread
“WigWag, on August 27th, 2008 at 6:14 pm Said:
I can’t take this. I literally feel like my head is going to explode.”
He he he.
Seriously though, I cried when Hillary made the motion and it was carried. Witnessing history and all that. I am watching the whole thing on Fox News and Juan Williams was crying (couldn’t see him but you could hear it in his voice) despite the fact that he is not actually FOR Obama (right wing douchebag that he is), he was heartfelt when he spoke of his parents actually witnessing this, that touched me.
Davebo
Little Tommy Maguire sure is cute when he gets desperate!
Sad really, he used to be quite readable.
NR
Wow. I knew Riverdaughter was a racist, but that’s pretty stomach-turning.
Rome Again
They will always try to come up with some kind of excuse. Oh, this is such a travesty of justice… NOT!
Cry babies get ridiculed, so what?
Incertus
Some of Clinton’s supporters will never vote for Obama; cope.
Not all of Clinton’s supporters who won’t support Obama are PUMAs. PUMAs are a subset of former Clinton supporters with, as you say, some Republican ratfuckers tossed in for good measure.
Personally, if you’re a Clinton supporter who is going to vote Green because Obama’s not progressive enough for you, I can see that. I don’t share the opinion, but it makes sense. But anyone who goes from Clinton to McCain seriously needs to get their heads examined, because the two of them couldn’t be more opposite in real, substantive ways.
Dreggas
If only.
Bey
Do you even have to ask? After the crucible of L’affaire Lewinskey you think a little thing like putting on the glad face for Obama is going to be hard for her?
No way. That woman has a backbone of titanium.
Go Hillary!
slag
Wexler is doing a great job.
John S.
Wow, what a bunch of ratfuckers over at riverdaughter!
Almost all the comments are from people vowing to donate to McCain. Yeah, they are really supporting Hillary by voting for McCain.
Idiots.
Rome Again
One thing we can be thankful for, according to Riverdaughter’s website, they’re calling themselves Republicans now. I’m so glad to see these people leave the Democratic party if they’re willing to vote for someone who is the very antithesis of what Dems stand for (and I say this as an Independent who stands with Dems).
NR
It’ll be just like when the PUMAs raised $10 million in ONE DAY!!!! to retire Hillary’s campaign debt.
capelza
Riverdaughter and friends are..hmmmm..how shall I say this politely?
Bugfuck nuts.
Hillary did good. Very very good.
HumboldtBlue
That means one of two things: either they’re too stupid to be allowed within 50 feet of a voting booth or that they are nothing more than fucknut Republicans who want us to believe they’re really Democrats. Seems to me the coping really needs to be done by the hytsterical crackheads who have spurred this non-controversy along, like Wolfson and Davis and asswipes who supported Hillary but refuse to support the Democratic nominee for POTUS because of some mythical conspiracy.
NR
Agreed. Having this rogue’s gallery of nutjobs and racists leave is only going to be good for the Democratic party.
Blue Raven
PUMA HAKA? WTF???
I’m having visions of soccer moms and dads doing a war dance, and it’s just. Not. Right.
John S.
BTD can’t seem to get the ratfuck out of his sytem, either:
Ya! This was all bullshit! Let’s change the entire system! And then we can retroactively give the win to Hillary halfway through Obama’s second term in office – for posterity sake!
These people are all out of their fucking minds. No wonder this country is so fucked. If there are this many ratfucking Democrats you know there are ten times as many ratfucking Republicans.
This country truly deserves the leadership it gets.
ronathan richardson
John–you’re convinced WV is going red–but the only poll of WV was a Rasmussen poll (which biases red in that region) from before Hillary suspended her campaign, and McCain was only up 8 points.
Hypatia
thanks for saying this, tavella.
Rome Again
Fixed!
nightjar
My guess is there will be an ample supply of wetsuit and dildo jokes going around for the wingnut convention. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
capelza
I agree, it’s a good thing they are leaving the Democratic Party…they’ll be a lot better off with the other wingnuts.
I hope none of them have children, because by trying to get Bush lite elected…they are royally fucking those kids over because they didn’t get their way. How childish, the ones who aren’t GOP plants. And for all their talk of conspiracy, why aren’t they thinking about that!
Said as a post-menopausal woman who voted for Hillary. But a sane one, who’ll happily vote for Obama!
harlana pepper
Yes, some of it’s boring, some of it’s fun and exciting. But the republican convention, that’s when the real fun begins.
rawshark
So far that’s what we gotten.
grandpajohn
Damn all you young whippersnappers not familiar with roll call votes. AS an old fart, I can remember back in the days before the ascendency of primaries when most of the vote obtaining was done in smoke filled rooms and lots of horse trading for delegates and when the outcome of the rollcall was not already known and there wouild sometimes be multiple rollcalls to determine the nominee even the one for vice president. Ahh another mememory of the good? ol days.
w vincentz
@ Tavella,
Let me guess…were you on board the “Vaginal Victory Tour”?
If so, Hillary (class act) parked the bus today.
You can stay on it as long as you want, but it doesn’t seem to be going anywhere.
Obama is NOW the official winner, and Hillary declared him so.
Get over it!
Blue Raven
Because thinking of Ron Paul and sex in any combination makes any sane person want to fetch the brain bleach. Duh.
(PS – If you want to appear as if you’re an actual feminist instead of a shill, the term is gender-based critique.)
t jasper parnell
Agree with all this except the Bus lite, McCain is a real, dyed-in-the-wool warmonger who has yet to see a problem whose solution is bombing something back to the stone age.
harlana pepper
Um, as for Clinton hating republicans, his relationship with Poppy Bush might indicate otherwise.
Sasha
Because he’s utterly terrified of McCain in the White House. Cut him some slack (but smack some sense into him).
cleek
but will there be enough actual wetsuits and dildos ? there’s nobody grumpier than a Republican who can’t indulge his kinks.
Jon H
“I knew Riverdaughter was a racist, but that’s pretty stomach-turning.”
Actually, I misattributed that. It was a commenter at riverdaughter’s site, not riverdaughter herself emitting that pathetic whinge.
Jon H
“but will there be enough actual wetsuits and dildos ? ”
Dude, they’re in Prince’s hometown. Fear not.
John S.
They make up for it by trying to pass laws preventing everyone else from indulging in the same kinks.
Emma Anne
Yeah, the teeth-marked PMS medications is a bit over the top, dude.
AkaDad
We’re all Halfricans now.
Jay B.
Ron Paul supporters are asexual cyborgs who spawn, but do not mate. It’s pretty fucking obvious.
nightjar
Word has it, there’s gonna be record numbers of bathroom stalls, so your average wingnut should be in toe tap paradise.
tavella
w vincentz Says:
Let me guess…were you on board the “Vaginal Victory Tour”?
Yup, creepy misogyny.
Blue Raven Says:
(PS – If you want to appear as if you’re an actual feminist instead of a shill, the term is gender-based critique.)
Oh, I’m sorry, is there an official vocabulary I have to use? I use sexually based because it is very much *sexually* based. See creepy remark above.
w vincentz
OK… Emma Ann,
I won’t talk about PMS medications anymore.
Are dildos acceptable?
gil mann
For those just tuning in, w vincentz makes icky, sexist remarks about pretty much everything, so try not to draw any generalizations re: Hillary vs. Obama.
If this thread were about home repair he’d work in the word “twat” somehow, I’m sure.
w vincentz
@ Tavella,
Dear one, you must get over this sensitivity. Really.
Calling me a “misonogyst” doesn’t cut it.
The PMS meds was a JOKE!
This is “Balloon Juice” afterall. Get used to it.
And for the Chickita that called me “Dude”, all I can say that in fact I’m a lesbian and proud of it, so please call me “Dudette”. It’s not my fault that I’m trapped in a male body.
Now…on to victory in November for the NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES….Barack Obama!
Blue Raven
Sex is an act. Gender is a role. It’s the official vocabulary known as the English language. HTH. HAND.
harlana pepper
Not PMS meds. REAL meds. This is what they need. I’m serious.
tavella
Sex is an act. Gender is a role. It’s the official vocabulary known as the English language. HTH. HAND.
And indeed, quite a bit of the of the obsession is over girlparts, not gender itself. And, in specific, the remarks I commented on were.
I have friends that were gendered female long before they had the female parts.
nightjar
Your a girl part slanderer. I happen to like girl parts and consider them quite worthy of obsession. Can we talk dirty some more.
Litlebritdifrnt
Bill hit it out of the park, nope out of the State. Nailed it.
zuzu's petals
And why would you wade into that cesspool on purpose? The guy is a disingenuous hack and his commenters are seriously whacked.