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Open Thread

by Tim F|  December 30, 200811:38 am| 246 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads

Not enough flaming around here.

* The best PC you can buy is a Mac running Boot Camp.
* Every good comic of the last fifteen years should apologize to Alan Moore for stealing his shit.
* Religion only happens because the human brain’s capacity for pattern recognition is slightly overdeveloped.
* On that topic, if Jesus and Santa Claus got in a fight, Jews would win.

Discuss.

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Question

by Tim F|  December 30, 200810:58 am| 28 Comments

This post is in: Republican Stupidity

Why does anybody care how many books Karl Rove says that George Bush read? Rove lies about everything. Bush cannot speak extemporaneously about the Bible, supposedly his favorite book. Laugh at it and move on.

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Up, The New Down

by John Cole|  December 30, 20089:48 am| 117 Comments

This post is in: Republican Stupidity, Clown Shoes

In his end of year retrospective, John Hawkins lists the seven biggest political blunders of the year. They are as follows:

7.) Pundits blowing the outcome of the democratic primary in New Hampshire.
6.) Eliot Spitzer
5.) Blagojevich
4.) Rev. Wright
3.) The Edwards affair
2.) Hillary’s sniper fire story
1.) McCain bailing out the financial industry.

So, to recap, five of the seven biggest blunders of the year were committed by Democrats, one was committed by the media (who Hawkins considers a de facto member of the Democratic party), and one by John McCain. One can only imagine how well the Democrats would have done in November had they not made so many mistakes, amirite Mr. Hawkins?

What a weird world view movement conservatives have these days.

*** Update ***

For the record, I do think that a Democrat did have the biggest political blunder of the year, but the Democrat in question was Hillary Clinton. Had her team paid only minimal attention to organizing in caucus states and had a long-term strategy beyond Super Tuesday, there is nothing you can say that would convince me that she would not be the President elect right now. The failure of her campaign to do these basic little things is not only the biggest blunder of the year, but tantamount to political malpractice. The people running her campaign, who burned through that mountain of cash with no long-term plan were the campaign equivalent of our Iraq invasion plan and “We will be greeted as liberators.” None of them should ever work in politics again, but then again, Bob Shrum always finds work.

At any rate, what do you all think the top seven blunders of the year were? High on my list would be the McCain campaign’s decision to focus solely on character and superficiality and celebrity, but his inability to say how many house he owns in the middle of a financial disaster merits some consideration.

*** Update #2 ***

After some thought, I would say that the second biggest political blunder of the year was the flawed assumption by the McCain campaign that the PUMA movement actually existed beyond a few cranks, some GOP ratfuckers, and crypto-racists, and thus, the key to victory for McCain was having anyone with lady parts on the ticket.

This was stupid on so many levels, and led to not only the Palin pick, but to all sorts of subsidiary idiocy, including the OMG THEY CALLED SARAH PALIN A PIG nonsense and all sorts of wasted outreach on people who would never vote for a Republican ever.

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Enough Stupid Arguments About Israel

by Tim F|  December 30, 20081:11 am| 191 Comments

This post is in: Foreign Affairs, War

Often simply naming something makes it easier to see and understand the next time. Take the argument that pressing crisis X demands some sort of immediate response is sufficient by itself to endorse reaction Y. This is plainly ridiculous. The ways that a stupid or thoughtless person can make a given crisis worse almost defy counting, at least compared with the relatively few honestly good ideas. Further, people never have every possible tool in their hands all the time. I see this all the time, yet I only understood why the tactic irritates me so much when I gave it a name. I find it useful to call the flawed construct we have to do something, ergo we should do X the kinetic fallacy.

Iraq and the 2001 terrorist attacks make a useful contrast. When terrorists attacked America it was fairly clear that both that the status quo was untenable. It was also clear that we had the tools to do something useful. Conversely Saddam’s Iraq failed both tests. Compared to where we are today the status quo seems perfectly tenable for any number of reasons. (1) We shake hands every day with regimes bloodier than Saddam. (2) Sanctions kept Iraq’s army in a crippled state that threatened almost nobody. (3) Iran predictably became the dominant mideast power when a Shiite government replaced Saddam. (4) Inspectors who concluded that Iraq had nothing like a WMD program proved accurate and Judith Miller hystericism proved fucking wrong. (5) Save for planted stories about a meeting in Prague nobody would think to link Iraq with al Qaeda.

Iraq failed the imminent threat test, but it also failed the means test. Even if Saddam constituted a crisis we had little in the way of useful tools to improve the situation. Some people thought that we did, but those people were incredibly stupid. Neocons thought that Iraqis would welcome Ahmad Chalabi as some sort of pro-America/pro-Israel Saddam 2.0. Donald Rumsfeld thought he could win the occupation with a special forces skeleton crew. Iraq might be the ultimate example of the kinetic fallacy at work since we neither had to act nor had the tools to act usefully.

Almost nothing brings out kinetic arguments today like fights involving Israel. Jeffrey Goldberg at the Atlantic, for example, wrote a post today that distilled the flawed argument almost perfectly. He states the pressing need to act (emphasis mine).

No country in the world could afford to ignore such attacks. And no country would. An elected government, such as Israel’s, has a basic, overriding responsibility — to protect its citizens from the organized violence of their enemies. Of course, it can do this in part by negotiating with its enemies (assuming its enemies recognize Israel’s right to life) but its immediate mission must be to stop the violence, which is what Israel is now trying to do.

He makes the second point so clearly that Goldberg’s post might as well be the kinetic fallacy index case.

Whether it succeeds or not is an open question (It is Hamas’ indifference to Palestinian life, not Jewish life, that makes it a formidable foe, in the manner of Hezbollah) , but Israel must try to use all of the tools of national power to stop attacks on its citizens. Otherwise it is simply not a serious nation, one that does not deserve sovereignty.

Notice Goldberg’s vague reference to “all the tools of national power.” Israel has a military designed to handle the regular armies of the rest of the region, plus the unconditional support of America, so the country has a lot of tools. Israel has nuclear weapons. It could commit genocide. Goldberg’s ambiguous statement commits him to supporting essentially any response that Israel makes, no matter how extreme or counterproductive. Like many Americans Goldberg apparently thinks a friend of Israel must support every decision by Israel’s government (to be fair, Goldberg’s blanket support may only cover violence). In my home country of Pittsburgh we call people like that enablers. If Israel’s decisions come from short term political need rather than the country’s own long-term best interests, as Ezra Klein suggests is happening today, then supporters of Israel would best serve her interests best by pushing policy in a more productive direction.

In another post Ezra makes one of the more effective counters to kinetic arguments about Israel. The idea that Israel should always answer violence with violence is a pernicious mistake because it effectively puts any small group of radicals in charge of Israel’s foreign policy. The problem is even worse than that. Israeli counterattacks mostly hit civilians, and the more civilians that Israel kills the more support the violent radicals will enjoy among the Palestinian population. Israeli violence and draconian sanctions do little for Israel, nor do they benefit Palestinians general. However, such ugliness is oxygen and water for radical groups that attack Israel. Goldbergian kineticism puts Israel’s policy in charge of groups that have the perverse incentive of keeping Israel as violent as possible.

Do these particular attacks demand a reaction? Compared with the relentless barrages from Hezbollah the answer here is much less clear. Hamas sent relatively few rockets, several misfired and nobody was killed. Unlike Hezbollah, Hamas has almost no ability to aim. A proportional response would have used something more like a catapult. So no, there was no absolute need to react here.

Regarding whether Israel had to respond with violence, the answer again is no. Israel would save far more lives if it closed down the remaining settlements. Unfortunately that is not an option, and the reason is telling. The political pain for taking on thousands of Israel’s most violent extremists at once would strain any Israeli government, especially a weak leader like Ehud Olmert. As Israel’s most important friend it is America’s job to provide political cover, via unbearable pressure, for Israel to do things that it cannot do under its own power. It is a convenient bonus that doing so would not only serve Israel but also help restore America’s reputation as an honest international broker.

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Open Thread

by John Cole|  December 29, 20088:48 pm| 90 Comments

This post is in: Previous Site Maintenance

I have am in the end of the year blogging doldrums.

Jeebus, you pedantic sobs.

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Not A Fan, But Come On

by John Cole|  December 29, 20082:20 pm| 124 Comments

This post is in: Politics

I am not really a fan of Caroline Kennedy, and not because I have some reason to dislike her, but because I simply know very little about her, but I have to say I have found the pile-on against her the last few weeks to be really quite distasteful. Another snippy piece in the NY Post today (Guess what? She is rich! Imagine that! A rich Kennedy!) reminded me of all the anti-Caroline pieces I have seen in the progressive blogosphere lately, and for the life of me, I can’t understand it.

I can understand and support some of the criticisms against her, but there seems to be a real mean-spiritedness directed towards her (and again, maybe that is just me reading into things). Every interview she gives is dissected, stripped of context, and played in the most negative light possible, and every thing she says or does is portrayed as if she has some nasty ulterior motive. From where I sit, she has not spent her entire adult life constantly mugging for cameras, she has not killed a campaign worker, she has not been arrested for drunk driving, and she has not pushed a bunch of execrable bullshit about autism. All she seems to have done is quietly go about her business, do solid charity work, and keep a low profile.

Yet for reasons I can not yet ascertain, she is the Kennedy everyone seems comfortable dumping on. Maybe I am just reading into things, or, as we all know I am prone to do- looking at things through my own bizarre filter, but it sure seems like a lot of unfair stuff is being chucked at her. The only thing I can think is maybe Clinton partisans who can’t let go are getting their payback at the Kennedy clan for their support of Obama.

And again, I really don’t care who the next Senator from New York will be, and truly have no dog in this fight. It will be a Democrat. Beyond that, I am grossly indifferent.

*** Update ***

Ok. Not alone. More here.

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Starbursts, Redux

by John Cole|  December 29, 20081:52 pm| 67 Comments

This post is in: I Read These Morons So You Don't Have To

Glenn has a big piece up on David Gregory’s MTP performance yesterday, but ignores the spectacular display by Rich Lowry, which included this gem:

Lowry: I just want to go back to Richard’s point about the no attacks on U.S. soil. U.S. soil is a big caveat. I mean, that is a key thing. And in our exit interview with President Bush, you’re just struck by the extent to which he was a war president. I mean, that’s what drove him most passionately. And when you talk to him about it, you feel as though he’s just sort of been left behind by the public and by history. And I think that’s because of the very success in preventing another attack on U.S. soil…

It is unknown whether or not Lowry and the NRO will begin the fund drive to erect monuments to the other several dozen Presidents who managed to make it through their term with only one or fewer attacks on American soil. Fortunately, Richard Wolffe was there to beat back Lowry’s rubbish:

MR. WOLFFE: You can’t take America’s national security across oceans to other continents and then only care about its impact on American soil. It’s grossly irresponsible.

read the transcript here), which in and of itself is unremarkable. What is exceptional is this comment from Jonah Goldberg at the NRO:

Even discounting for friendship, self-interest, and ideological bias, I thought that Rich was far and away the most interesting panelist on Meet the Press yesterday. Frankly, I thought Richard Wolffe was a mixture of cliché and nonsense. For instance, he seemed to think that Bush should be condemned for preventing terrorist attacks on American soil and not doing more to prevent them in countries that haven’t taken the war on terror as seriously.

The profound intellect of the conservative movement on display for all to see.

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