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You are here: Home / Okay, this time you really can shoot me

Okay, this time you really can shoot me

by DougJ|  December 2, 200912:08 pm| 107 Comments

This post is in: Assholes, Good News For Conservatives

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I’m pretty sure this — carrying the byline Seth Borenstein AP Science Writer — isn’t sarcasm:

He shows a fascination with science, an all-too deliberate decision-making demeanor, an adherence to logic and some pretty, ahem, prominent ears.

They all add up to a quite logical conclusion, at least for “Star Trek” fans: Barack Obama is Washington’s Mr. Spock, the chief science officer for the ship of state.

“I guess it’s somewhat unusual for a politician to be so precise, logical, in his thought process,” actor Leonard Nimoy, who has portrayed Spock for more than 40 years, told The Associated Press in an e-mail interview.

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  1. 1.

    gex

    December 2, 2009 at 12:10 pm

    It is a sad statement on our polity that people express such utter disdain towards a President who thinks before acting. We apparently would rather be ruled as though a tween twitching around with ADHD were running the place.

  2. 2.

    gex

    December 2, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    And perhaps his title should be corrected to Science Fiction writer.

  3. 3.

    gwangung

    December 2, 2009 at 12:14 pm

    It’s a sad statement for our polity that being compared to figure that was a badass galactic hero with millions and millions of fan (and who is also a pretty good chick magnet) is a BAD thing.

    Competency is not a positive policy for these bozos.

  4. 4.

    Dan

    December 2, 2009 at 12:15 pm

    People are just having fun with the comparison. Big deal.

  5. 5.

    Notorious P.A.T.

    December 2, 2009 at 12:15 pm

    We apparently would rather be ruled as though a tween twitching around with ADHD were running the place.

    Yeah, the kind of person who would fit in at the Applebee’s salad bar!

  6. 6.

    Keith

    December 2, 2009 at 12:16 pm

    So Politico suggests a narrative that Obama is somehow Mr. Spock, and that leads a “journalist” to interview Leonard Nimoy for a quote? WTF?

  7. 7.

    cleek

    December 2, 2009 at 12:17 pm

    and now comedy writers everywhere have a MSM-approved way to get at Obama while dodging the race thing.

    and by “now”, i mean have had for a long time.

  8. 8.

    stevie314159

    December 2, 2009 at 12:18 pm

    Do you remember that picture of little Barack at the beach with his grandfather?

    picture

    Take a good long look at the grandfather. He DOES look like Nimoy!!!

  9. 9.

    valdemar

    December 2, 2009 at 12:19 pm

    I don’t comment much because, as a Brit, I don’t understand a lot of this stuff and have no in-depth knowledge of US politics. I just watch The Shield a lot. However, this Spock stuff is staggering.

    The thought that anyone would prefer a dishonest, lazy, Bible-thumping cretin like Dubya or Palin to a cultured, intelligent and thoughtful man of conscience is beyond belief for most of us decadent Europeans.

    America’s allies are pleased with Obama in a way Americans (or a lot of Americans) seem unable to be. Your new president has the ability to achieve things through international co-operation rather than careering around like a brain-damaged bull in a china shop.

  10. 10.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    December 2, 2009 at 12:19 pm

    Can someone tell me why First Officer Obama isn’t advising Captain John S. McCain???

  11. 11.

    Emma

    December 2, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    So there’s this hero. He’s a member of one of the most influential families in the galaxy; can unsnarl the most complex problems, from engineering to philosophy; can reason his way out of trouble, and when he can’t, he can drop grown males to the ground with a single pinch to the neck; and he definitely gets all the ladies hot and bothered.

    And this is a bad thing?

  12. 12.

    Shawn in ShowMe

    December 2, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    Compared to asking John McCain what he thinks about Obama’s decision making, getting Spock to comment on Spockian behavior is actually an improvement.

  13. 13.

    PeakVT

    December 2, 2009 at 12:21 pm

    Shorter media: we miss the comfort and slight kinkiness of being led by President Jockstrap. (See Matthews, Chris for further examples.)

  14. 14.

    TenguPhule

    December 2, 2009 at 12:22 pm

    Bring on the phaser toting liberal death squads.

    Commence Wingnut Sterilization!

  15. 15.

    RememberNovember

    December 2, 2009 at 12:23 pm

    yeah they floated this pre-election. Guess that made McCain Captain Jerk.

  16. 16.

    ellaesther

    December 2, 2009 at 12:24 pm

    @Dan: I have to say that I agree. I mean honestly, you would have a hard time finding a more beloved character in American pop culture than Spock.

    @Emma: Also. This.

    And finally DougJ? I thought we agreed that if we started shooting you people every time you make the request, you’d all wind up as sieves, and ultimately, if you’re not coming over to drain my spaghetti, that’s nothing I want. So no. I will not shoot you.

    (I may or may not be trying to make “we are all sieves” into a meme).

  17. 17.

    DougJ

    December 2, 2009 at 12:24 pm

    The thought that anyone would prefer a dishonest, lazy, Bible-thumping cretin like Dubya or Palin to a cultured, intelligent and thoughtful man of conscience is beyond belief for most of us decadent Europeans.

    America’s allies are pleased with Obama in a way Americans (or a lot of Americans) seem unable to be. Your new president has the ability to achieve things through international co-operation rather than careering around like a brain-damaged bull in a china shop.

    Yes, I work with a lot of Europeans and they pretty much all say this.

  18. 18.

    Warren Terra

    December 2, 2009 at 12:25 pm

    Nanoo nanoo, bitches.

    (Yes, I know I’m modifying a catchphrase from the wrong old TV alien).

    Also, surely this makes finding his birth certificate even more of a priority?

  19. 19.

    Sentient Puddle

    December 2, 2009 at 12:25 pm

    For me, the idiocy isn’t comparing Obama to Spock. It’s making that comparison, and then going on to say it’s a bad thing.

    As far as I’m concerned, people can draw the comparison all they want. Preferably not by science writers, but I don’t see how it’s particularly bad.

  20. 20.

    jlo

    December 2, 2009 at 12:27 pm

    This really has nothing to do with Spock. It’s all about the black Vulcan on Star Trek: Voyager and everybody knows that all black Vulcans look the same.

  21. 21.

    The Grand Panjandrum

    December 2, 2009 at 12:27 pm

    Lighten up Doug. Isn’t it the media’s job to point how entertaining and clever they can be?

  22. 22.

    eemom

    December 2, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    @valdemar:

    well, for someone who doesn’t follow US politics, you demonstrate a grasp on reality that eludes a sizable percentage of the U.S. electorate.

    Come to think of it, it might not be such a bad idea if we let you guys do the voting for us.

  23. 23.

    Shawn in ShowMe

    December 2, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    Shorter Spock:

    “Most unusual.”

  24. 24.

    Alex S.

    December 2, 2009 at 12:31 pm

    I see… prominent ears = elitist

  25. 25.

    redbeardjim

    December 2, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    @ellaesther:

    and ultimately, if you’re not coming over to drain my spaghetti

    Is that what the kids are calling it these days….

  26. 26.

    Brian J

    December 2, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    Maybe it’s wise for the White House to cultivate this image. After all, if Obama is like Spock, he’ll capture the Trekkies. Michelle can then declare her love for “Lost,” “Buffy,” and anything to do with Joss Whedon and/or vampires, while Malia and Sasha can go after the specific subsets of Hannah Montana and Twilight fans. Meanwhile, Marianne Robinson can pretend she’s the president from “Battlestar Galactica.”

    There you go, John Cole, turning your back on this awesomely powerful constituency.

  27. 27.

    catclub

    December 2, 2009 at 12:33 pm

    ellaesther @ 16

    I would guess Kermit the frog is at least as well loved as Spock.

  28. 28.

    Steerpike

    December 2, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    To extend the analogy, I guess W. would be a Ferengi: diminuitive, full of himself, regarded by others as a buffoon, he sees himself as clever and crafty. Though shallow and somewhat ludicous, he does have the ability to cause trouble for others, either through malice or ineptitude, or a combination of both.

    [/trek geek]

  29. 29.

    Brian J

    December 2, 2009 at 12:38 pm

    @catclub:

    If anybody is Kermit the Frog, it’s former Republican congressman from Iowa Jim Leach, who is also an Obama supporter. Or so his speech at the Democratic convention convinced me that this was the case.

  30. 30.

    Mark S.

    December 2, 2009 at 12:39 pm

    @valdemar:

    The thought that anyone would prefer a dishonest, lazy, Bible-thumping cretin like Dubya or Palin

    You’re gonna love President Huckabee!

    On a related note, Huckie apparently is leaning against running in 2012. I’m beginning to think Romney is a lock for the GOP nomination. I kind of doubt Palin will run, and Republicans tend not to nominate dark horses.

  31. 31.

    mistermix

    December 2, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    That story was filed on December 1. 75% of it is bullshit Star Trek speculation, but the peg is science-related stuff that happened in October. Last week, Obama launched a big science curriculum initiative that included visits from high school kids interested in science. It made all the geek blogs, but not the MSM:

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/education/educate-innovate

    You’d think the “science correspondent” of the AP might at least mention some more current events as he was pissing all over geeks. I mean, there was a video of a geeky kid showing his science project to Obama. That would be worth a half-dozen derisive paragraphs.

    It’s not just the wankery — it’s the laziness that really pisses me off.

  32. 32.

    SpotWeld

    December 2, 2009 at 12:44 pm

    We have a president who thinks before acting…

    Why is there such a demand to stop and comment on this.
    It’s only in popular fiction that a “from-the-gut” leading man actually wins.

    Reality is much more like a game of chess (or perhaps baseball) long and for the most part boring except for those occasional instances where a moment of unexpected action occcurs. And in those instances luck favors the prepared!

  33. 33.

    jrg

    December 2, 2009 at 12:45 pm

    Lay off the writer. He’s probably just writing about Science Fiction because it’s impossible to write about Science without pissing off creationists.

    …And we all know it’s the job of the press to kowtow to people who have no idea what the fuck is going on. To do otherwise would be too detail oriented and “logical”. No one would take him seriously anymore.

  34. 34.

    SpotWeld

    December 2, 2009 at 12:45 pm

    It’s also worth pointing out that

    1) Spock consistantly kicked Kirk’s ass on many occasions
    2) Spock had all the fangirls

  35. 35.

    Interrobang

    December 2, 2009 at 12:47 pm

    I’m with most people here — I don’t mind the Spock comparison (it beats most of the other ones, and, alienness aside, is still orders of magnitude less racist than the usual suspects), mostly because, hey, Spock! Spock is cool! Spock is the man. (I wish Obama were more like Spock, actually.)

    I also love, love, love Steerpike’s metaphor. Dude, why don’t you have your own blog? Everywhere you show up, you bring the funny in spades. Very amusing spades.

    Star Trek and metaphorics on Balloon Juice. The universe obviously loves me a lot today. Thanks, guys!

  36. 36.

    gwangung

    December 2, 2009 at 12:53 pm

    @Steerpike: I thought Pakled was a better comparison. Or are you talking about Ferengi pre-DS 9?

  37. 37.

    The Bearded Blogger

    December 2, 2009 at 12:53 pm

    These are the phases of grieving:

    1)Denial
    2) Anger
    3) Bargaining
    4) Depression
    5) Acceptance

    The villagers are at 3, they want to act as if Dubya is still the president. Baggers, of course, are at 2. McCain, Cheney, Palin, are at 1. I don’t think any of them are reaching 5 before their asses are kicked again in 2012, when they’ll be back at one and saying that ACORN something something.

  38. 38.

    Sarcastro

    December 2, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    Spock consistantly kicked Kirk’s ass on many occasions…

    What can you expect from a simpering, devil-eared freak whose father was a computer and his mother an encyclopedia?

  39. 39.

    Steerpike

    December 2, 2009 at 12:56 pm

    I find it ironic that, before Obama, “Vulcans” was used to describe Bush’s War Cabinet–Rumsfeld, Rice, Armitage, Cheney, Wolfowitz and Powell–a term W coined himself to describe them. In that case, the nickname implied a group of dispassionate, logical, worldly and knowlegable advisors. In reality, they were (with the possible exception of Powell) narrow-minded, war-mongering ideologues, guided by fear, political calculation, quasi-religious zeal and jingoism–anything but logic.

  40. 40.

    gwangung

    December 2, 2009 at 12:56 pm

    @Sarcastro: Does this make Biden our Leonard McCoy?

  41. 41.

    arguingwithsignposts

    December 2, 2009 at 12:58 pm

    Okay, this time you really can shoot me

    So we have two front pagers requesting death by firing squad? We are all sieves now.

  42. 42.

    cleek

    December 2, 2009 at 12:59 pm

    Spock = alien, intellectual, elitist, arrogant and out of touch with humanity. you know, all the things the wingnuts have been trying to pin on him for two years…

    only geeks think Spock is cool.

  43. 43.

    gex

    December 2, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    What is really important is to continue the meme of Obama being weird, alien, and different. It’s mostly harmless, I guess. But I worry that it is also a bit dangerous to keep painting a picture of Obama as alien. It’s not like that isn’t the specific goal of his enemies.

  44. 44.

    tripletee

    December 2, 2009 at 1:02 pm

    I wonder if Obama ever had a goatee? That would make it likely that he’s actually the Mirror Universe Spock. Citizen journalists – to your Research Mobiles! And keep moving, or he’ll Tantulus-Device your ass.

  45. 45.

    cleek

    December 2, 2009 at 1:02 pm

    um… i think Ajax Edit Comments has gone insane

  46. 46.

    gex

    December 2, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    @gex: I should say, what is really important to the Village is to continue the meme of Obama being weird, alien, and different.

  47. 47.

    ThatLeftTurnInABQ

    December 2, 2009 at 1:05 pm

    @valdemar:

    The thought that anyone would prefer a dishonest, lazy, Bible-thumping cretin like Dubya or Palin to a cultured, intelligent and thoughtful man of conscience is beyond belief for most of us decadent Europeans.

    The Emperor Napolean III and Kaiser Wilhelm II send their regards. This isn’t an American thing – it’s what always happens when a populace gets imperial delusions of grandeur. Moronic leadership and the consequences which follow don’t always cure the disease, but they are predictable consequences of its progress.

  48. 48.

    gex

    December 2, 2009 at 1:05 pm

    @cleek: I didn’t even know Ajax Edit Comments was back. Is it a Firefox thing? Was the focus on the Microsoft implementation of javascript?

  49. 49.

    DBrown

    December 2, 2009 at 1:06 pm

    @valdemar: Thank you – you seem to understand us better than you think. Please post more often.

  50. 50.

    freelancer

    December 2, 2009 at 1:13 pm

    @arguingwithsignposts:

    swish.

    Also:
    Now, I’m no Trekkie. For the most part, I can’t stand the entire universe, but because of the show’s pop culture penetration, I can’t help but know certain things.

    If Obama is Spock, doesn’t that make McCain the battle-ravaged Captain Pike? How long before he’s wheeled onto MTP in a beeping black box?

  51. 51.

    gwangung

    December 2, 2009 at 1:15 pm

    If Obama is Spock, doesn’t that make McCain the battle-ravaged Captain Pike? How long before he’s wheeled onto MTP in a beeping black box?

    Except Pike was/is competent.

    Maybe Commodore Decker or Garth of Izar would be more appropriate…

  52. 52.

    Xanthippas

    December 2, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    DougJ, I was going to get onto you for being too critical, that surely the article is written tongue-in-cheek, all in good fun, etc., etc. I want to apologize for the thought even crossing my mind: that article is full of dumb.

    Sometimes, I wish Star Trek and Star Wars had never existed, so people who don’t know anything about either (or science fiction in general) wouldn’t automatically reach for either of them when they want to write a science fiction-ish column.

  53. 53.

    cmorenc

    December 2, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    Let’s get with the “Star Trek” motif, and point out how much Dick Cheney resembles a Klingon.

  54. 54.

    FDRLincoln

    December 2, 2009 at 1:24 pm

    We went through the Trek analogies last week.

    McCain is Commodore Matt Decker from “The Doomsday Machine.”

    The current GOP is run by Garth of Izar and Ron Tracey. Sarah Palin is one of the bimbos from “Spock’s Brain.”

    Brain and brain, what is brain?

  55. 55.

    gbear

    December 2, 2009 at 1:25 pm

    @gwangung:

    Does this make Biden our Leonard McCoy?

    David Plouffe is Scotty.

  56. 56.

    gbear

    December 2, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    W was Commodore Matt Decker, except for the ‘grief and guilt’ part.

  57. 57.

    Poopyman

    December 2, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    If Obama is Spock, doesn’t that make McCain the battle-ravaged Captain Pike? How long before he’s wheeled onto MTP in a beeping black box?

    No, no. You’re confusing him with Davros.

    Come to think of it, there’s a lot of McCain in Davros.

  58. 58.

    Poopyman

    December 2, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    Articles like this only serve to remind me that people who write for the AP are the ones you saw in college taking the “Science for Liberal Arts Majors” class and barely passing. I wonder if being the “Science Writer” means he’s lowest on the org chart?

  59. 59.

    The Republic of Stupidity

    December 2, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    @Steerpike:

    Though shallow and somewhat ludicous,

    Hmmm… I think you’re on the verge of crafting a new word here… ludicous… perhaps you were reaching for some hybrid
    of ‘bellicose’ and ‘ludicrous’?

    Belludicose? Belludicrous? Whichever one you go w/, it works for me…

  60. 60.

    The Republic of Stupidity

    December 2, 2009 at 1:44 pm

    I think it’s’ worth pointing out here that once again, the only way some people can relate to reality anymore is thru fictional characters.

    This strikes me as not being unlike Scalia claiming ‘Jack Bauer saved LA’ or righties constantly making Starwars references in their political commentaries.

  61. 61.

    Tonybrown74

    December 2, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    I give up ….

    I’m moving to Europe …

  62. 62.

    Ed in NJ

    December 2, 2009 at 2:11 pm

    This doesn’t bother me so much.

    Our last president was compared to a cowboy and Alfred E. Neumann. I consider this a step up.

  63. 63.

    Xanthippas

    December 2, 2009 at 2:11 pm

    Belludicose?

    For some reason that word makes me laugh.

  64. 64.

    Jay B.

    December 2, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    Similarly, Vaughn is a robot!

  65. 65.

    Senyordave

    December 2, 2009 at 2:14 pm

    Maybe Commodore Decker or Garth of Izar would be more appropriate…

    Decker at least had some level of self-awareness, and Garth apparently was a brillian military leader prior to his going insane.

  66. 66.

    cyd

    December 2, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    I’m amazed that no one’s pointed out that Bill Clinton would make a great James Tiberius Kirk.

  67. 67.

    Security Commander Nyder

    December 2, 2009 at 2:16 pm

    @Poopyman

    The difference? Davros was a genius.

  68. 68.

    jenniebee

    December 2, 2009 at 2:20 pm

    So, who do you see as the Kirk equivalent in the Obama slash fiction? Bill Clinton’s the all-too obvious choice.

    Does this mean that Obama will sacrifice himself to save us all and then be reborn as the unforeseen consequence of a massive science experiment also, too?

  69. 69.

    Johnny Pez

    December 2, 2009 at 2:25 pm

    @Steerpike:

    I find it ironic that, before Obama, “Vulcans” was used to describe Bush’s War Cabinet—Rumsfeld, Rice, Armitage, Cheney, Wolfowitz and Powell—a term W coined himself to describe them.

    That turns out not to be the case.

  70. 70.

    Bokonon

    December 2, 2009 at 2:32 pm

    As Anatole France once said, “A nation of sheep in time begets a government of wolves.”

    This is utter, complete crap. Completely unserious. Unworthy of a high school newspaper or a celebrity mag like People or Us.

    This is not journalism. This is entertainment and celebrity worship (and hate-ship). And it is killing this nation.

  71. 71.

    Sentient Puddle

    December 2, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    @Johnny Pez: Yikes, the article almost reads like it’s a parody, especially with the pictures and captions. “Paul Wolfowitz: Vulcan and Bush’s Deputy Secretary of Defense.”

  72. 72.

    Poopyman

    December 2, 2009 at 2:39 pm

    @Poopyman – The difference? Davros was a genius.

    Point taken.

  73. 73.

    Randy P

    December 2, 2009 at 2:53 pm

    @jrg:

    Lay off the writer. He’s probably just writing about Science Fiction because it’s impossible to write about Science without pissing off creationists.

    I had a different take on this. More than anything, it reminded me of the kind of prose which Scientific American has leaned toward in recent years. This kind of writing (“the atoms bounce around like teenyboppers at a Brittany Spears concert…”) drove away many long-time readers. It used to be the go-to magazine for working scientists who wanted to get up to speed in a research area not their own. I think there’s still some science there but you have to wade through this kind of pop culture dreck to find it.

  74. 74.

    Randy P

    December 2, 2009 at 2:55 pm

    OK, I have a confession to make. I was thinking a little about Star Trek last night. Not Spock, but Picard. As in a commander in chief who talks about diplomacy first.

  75. 75.

    Notorious P.A.T.

    December 2, 2009 at 2:57 pm

    @gex:

    Gex how are you doing, if you don’t mind my asking?

  76. 76.

    R-Jud

    December 2, 2009 at 3:00 pm

    @cmorenc: Eh, I always thought of Cheney as more of a Hutt, myself.

  77. 77.

    Poopyman

    December 2, 2009 at 3:02 pm

    @Randy P
    Try Science News.

  78. 78.

    Shawn in ShowMe

    December 2, 2009 at 3:19 pm

    @Randy P

    I can see that.

    Obama – Picard
    Joe Biden – Riker
    Michelle – Dr. Crusher
    David Plouffe – Geordi
    Gen. McChrystal – Worff
    Valerie Jarrett – Guinan

  79. 79.

    Palooza

    December 2, 2009 at 3:30 pm

    It is completely absurd that we are even having this conversation. Really it is. The media wants us to debate whether our President is similar to an imaginary alien being from a 1960s B-television show. Why……? We are fucked.

  80. 80.

    bayville

    December 2, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    The writer is a longtime hack.

  81. 81.

    Palooza

    December 2, 2009 at 3:32 pm

    It is completely absurd that we are even having this conversation. Really it is. The media wants us to debate whether our President is similar to an imaginary alien being from a 1960s B-television show. An alien that apparently is bad for some reason. Why……? We are fucked.

  82. 82.

    Randy P

    December 2, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    @Shawn in ShowMe:
    I really like this casting. And somehow thinking of McChrystal with a leafy Klingon forehead really tickles me.

  83. 83.

    gwangung

    December 2, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    I’m glad no one automatically brought up Capt. Benjamin Sisko.

  84. 84.

    Makewi

    December 2, 2009 at 3:50 pm

    Your new president has the ability to achieve things through international co-operation rather than careering around like a brain-damaged bull in a china shop.

    Too funny. Obama hasn’t accomplished squat through international co-operation. In fact, the “decadent” governments of Europe find much to criticize.

  85. 85.

    gwangung

    December 2, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    Too funny. Obama hasn’t accomplished squat through international co-operation.

    Lying isn’t funny, though.

  86. 86.

    Emma Anne

    December 2, 2009 at 3:53 pm

    Cheney is a Romulan.

  87. 87.

    Makewi

    December 2, 2009 at 3:56 pm

    @gwangung:

    Name something.

  88. 88.

    Delia

    December 2, 2009 at 4:03 pm

    @Makewi:

    Name something.

    China and Russia getting on board with sanctions against Iran.

  89. 89.

    noncarborundum

    December 2, 2009 at 4:06 pm

    @Brian J: The definitive Kermit and Miss Piggy were Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker, but that was another lifetime.

  90. 90.

    binzinerator

    December 2, 2009 at 4:06 pm

    @cleek:

    and now comedy writers everywhere have a MSM-approved way to get at Obama while dodging the race thing.

    This.

    @Palooza

    An alien that apparently is bad for some reason.

    The teabaggers, birfers, racists and bigots (but I believe I am repeating myself here) have spent months bitching about “Obama’s not one of us”, “take back our country”, “where’s the vault copy”, which are nothing more than thinly veiled expressions of their racism and xenophobia. And now with the Spock comparison they just found an even more acceptable vehicle of expression of the same.

    For a Bircher the reason an alien is bad is precisely because of the alien-ness. And this is black president is bad and cannot be a legitimate president — because he is black. In fact, for the GOP Base a black man is not really an American citizen because of his blackness.

    They might allow non-whites to count as 3/5s of a citizen. I believe they were once OK with that.

  91. 91.

    General Winfield Stuck

    December 2, 2009 at 4:06 pm

    @Delia:

    China and Russia getting on board with sanctions against Iran.

    China on emissions. But wingnuts don’t believe in emissions, lest they be the nocturnal kind from torture dreams.

  92. 92.

    noncarborundum

    December 2, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    @cmorenc: Minus the honor. Klingons are never (will never be?) afraid to die for the cause; in fact, they’ll insist on leading the charge. Cheney, eh, not so much.

  93. 93.

    Poopyman

    December 2, 2009 at 4:18 pm

    @Binzinerator:

    They might allow non-whites to count as 3/5s of a citizen. I believe they were once OK with that.

    If I could remember the nondeprecated HTML for strikethrough I’d replace “citizen” with “person”, ‘cuz that’s what it was. But the larger point is that I don’t even think they’d go for that.

  94. 94.

    Makewi

    December 2, 2009 at 4:21 pm

    @Delia:

    Really? Try again.

  95. 95.

    gwangung

    December 2, 2009 at 4:22 pm

    @Makewi: Recent emissions agreements with Russian and China. Nuclear non proliferation with the Russians. Working with the UN nuclear watchdog to censure Iran. Movement toward pulling missles in South China. Progress in reforming the exchange rate on the dollar.

    Probably more, but that’s off the top of my head.

  96. 96.

    gwangung

    December 2, 2009 at 4:24 pm

    @Makewi: COmpare and contrast with the censure. YOU try again.

  97. 97.

    noncarborundum

    December 2, 2009 at 4:28 pm

    @Poopyman:

    They might allow non-whites to count as 3/5s of a -citizen- person. I believe they were once OK with that.

    The last time I tried it, a hyphen on either side of the word/phrase to be struck through would do the trick. Let’s see if that’s still true.

  98. 98.

    Makewi

    December 2, 2009 at 4:30 pm

    @gwangung:

    Recent emissions agreements with Russian and China. Nuclear non proliferation with the Russians. Working with the UN nuclear watchdog to censure Iran. Movement toward pulling missles in South China. Progress in reforming the exchange rate on the dollar.

    None of this is done, and much of this isn’t new. Words are merely words. Get back to me when there is action taken on any of these.

  99. 99.

    kommrade reproductive vigor

    December 2, 2009 at 4:38 pm

    Someone snaps a pic of Obama at the beach: WAAAH TOO CASUAL!
    Obama bows to the Emperor of Japan: WAAAH TOO DEFERENTIAL!
    Obama takes the time to consider an important decision: WAAAAH TOO LOGICAL!

    Here’s hoping the Goldilocks brigade finds some porridge that is juuuust right. Before I have to choke them.

  100. 100.

    Makewi

    December 2, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    They might allow non-whites to count as 3/5s of a citizen. I believe they were once OK with that.

    I weep for your failure to comprehend or even accurately portray history.

  101. 101.

    kay

    December 2, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    I don’t see anything wrong with it. It’s a throwaway piece, and weirdly affectionate.

    Most of those things are true about Obama, although I don’t know about the “fascination with science”.

    I like his demeanor. He’s even-tempered and level-headed, and impossible to rattle. If that makes him Spock-like, well, FINE.

  102. 102.

    Zifnab

    December 2, 2009 at 4:51 pm

    @Makewi:

    None of this is done, and much of this isn’t new.

    Translation: It doesn’t count till I say it counts! And even if it does count, I refuse to congratulate anyone that isn’t a Republican!

    I remember back in the 80s when the very talk of nuclear disarmament sent Republicans into tizzy fits. Now they can’t scream loud enough about how it was all their idea. I remember reading Reagen’s passionate speeches against the horror of Medicare. Now Michael Steele won’t shut up about our need to “save” it from an expansion to the non-elderly. And Bush was talking about withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan as far back as 2003.

    Suck it, Dems.

  103. 103.

    Poopyman

    December 2, 2009 at 5:05 pm

    The last time I tried it, a hyphen on either side of the word/phrase to be struck through would do the trick. Let’s see if that’s still true.

    Really?

    -Cool!-

  104. 104.

    Makewi

    December 2, 2009 at 5:12 pm

    @Zifnab:

    No, it means exactly what I said it means. Both Bush and Clinton had assurances from N. Korea regarding nukes. Words are cheap, actions count.

  105. 105.

    geg6

    December 2, 2009 at 5:24 pm

    You know, one of these days I’d really like to see what BOB and Makewi look like. Just to see if they really look as stupid as they sound. I have found, throughout my many years on this planet, that, often, the correlation is very, very strong.

  106. 106.

    Redshirt

    December 2, 2009 at 5:27 pm

    Ah. Trek. Let me enjoy.

    You know, it’s a fine line between a Vulcan and a Romulan. Very fine.

  107. 107.

    Makewi

    December 2, 2009 at 6:07 pm

    @geg6:

    Once again, the personal is the political. I disagree with what they say, so they must be ugly.

    You may be old, but sadly you never grew up.

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