Jaysus, will you look at this old picture of my talented Patsy Marie as a prodigy pup:
This was taken back in 2009. Figured we could use something to lighten the mood. Please feel free to continue the pie-fight in a new thread.
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Mike J
Ignoring the black keys.
JPL
@Mike J: It probably wasn’t intentional. Give him a few more months to grow and if he continues to ignore the black keys, then it might be a problem.
also.. The picture was taken in 2009, so only Betty knows for sure what was going on.
Ramalama
Eh, my dog was shite on the piano, but could play a mean tablas.
aimai
Nope. Not going to even look. I’m making cherry jam with dried apricots (to help the gel) and a dash of bitters–a trick I learned from my favorite pie cookbook.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
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Isaac Chotiner @ IChotiner
That is terrible. How ironic for Kelly to learn there are consequences when people rile up bigots.
kindness
Did someone smear peanut butter on the piano for a sweet pic?
shell
@aimai: Like minds…
Im finishing off some strawberry-plum jam myself.
boatboy_srq
Interesting catch on Maddowblog re: HRC’s education proposal. From Benen:
An educated electorate not impoverished by student loans. In a sane society – heck, in a rational society, sane or not – this would be actually desirable.
singfoom
I just want to summarize the previous thread argument so we don’t repeat it here:
#1 :Bernie supporter: “BLM supporters were mean to Bernie, they interrupted him TWICE! He will bring economic justice which will solve everything! Why do they insist on insulting their allies?”
#2 :BLM supporter: “We’re fucking dying in the street, we had to do something!”
#3: BLM/Bernie supporters/ Maybe rational observer: “Uh guys, BLM had an effect, Bernie added them to his LA event, he’s hired on some BLM activists to his campaign, seems like the tactics worked and Bernie is engaging BLM directly, making his campaign more effective.”
Repeat #1,#2 and #3 talking past each other for about 200 comments, add in some direct insults, strawmen, goal post moving.
The circular firing squads WILL continue until morale and teamwork improves.
Gimlet
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
According to one high-level source, Kelly has told Fox producers that she’s been getting death threats from Trump supporters.
Can’t be anything related to Trump or the debate.
Many times when wingnuts lash out after being whipped up by Rush or Faux we hear puzzlement from Faux and Rush that it was something they said which the nut acted upon.
KG
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I haven’t paid much attention to fox news in probably 10 years (other than election night coverage where I’d flip between channels), so I ask in all honesty: is Kelly as bad as Hannity and/or O’Reilly?
Roger Moore
@aimai:
Why did you have to bring up pie? You’re only encouraging them!
srv
Finally, a man who is decisive:
Gimlet
@singfoom:
#2 :BLM supporter: “We’re fucking dying in the street, we had to do something!”
Don’t forget to add that protesting to the Obama administration would do no good because it’s not an administration sensitive to these issues or able to do anything about local problems like this.
Bernie, unlike Obama can deal with it in a year and a half, if he’s elected because he can do things Obama can’t.
Heliopause
Nate Silver has done it again. He’s taken another Trump dump today. Nate, it’s August, take a vacation. You’ll feel better, and maybe Trump will have faded in the polls by the time you get back.
MattF
@srv: It’s so simple. Just like the Allies at Gallipoli– all you have to do is go up those hills and then straight on to Constantinople.
mai naem mobile
I’ve seen 2 Ben Carson bumper stickers,1 Ted Cruz sticker, a few HIllary stickers and one Bernie sticker in Phoenix. Also, several Obama stickers still on. A couple McCain/Palin and a couple Mitts. I don’t do a whole lot of driving in upscale Scottsdale and I live near ASU so that may be affecting what I’m seeing.
beltane
@srv:
Put a ring on it!
singfoom
@Gimlet: I’d file that under the “talking past each other part”, but yes, that should be noted.
Thank you.
Paul in KY
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Wonder if she is any relation to deceased POS Michael Kelly?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@KG: Much smarter than those two, but essentially the same creature, as evidenced by her “Santa Clause was a white man, and” and this I think is the much more important part, since it indicates the deep racial tribalism of FoxNews and all it represents, “so was Jesus“
Aleta
Piano Concerto No. k-9 ?
Paul in KY
@KG: She seems (on surface) to be more ‘reasonable’ than them. Also, she’s about 40 times better to look at.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I gather Trump is also saying Iran is the driving force behind ISIS, which I think is just pandering to get the coveted Bill Kristol endorsement.
Gimlet
Cacti (last thread): Bernie lavishly praised Seattle as “one of the most progressive cities in the country”. BLM begged to differ and were showered with boos by the “progressive” audience who had come to “feel the Bern”.
or “I slap you, tell you that you’re a knuckle dragging conservative and your anger with me proves it!”
CONGRATULATIONS!
Puppy!
Truth be told, I’m a bit burned out on puppies. Not really but just a little. Would like to hang with an old dog for a day and just sit on the porch and daydream.
We took the big plunge and signed up (and were accepted!) as Guide Dogs for the Blind puppy raisers. I had to unlearn a lot, especially regarding food and food treats (pretty much verboten). So we get a puppy about every year to 18 months, raise ’em to be super-obedient and good, then they take her/him and give him a job, and then we get another puppy! Yes, that is exhausting dealing with nothing but puppies – but it’s worth it.
Calouste
TPM is reporting that there will be “only” 16 candidates at the next GOP debates. Jim Gilmore can’t even make the 1% threshold in the polls to qualify.
trollhattan
@Aleta:
Likely, and accompanied by the Barksdale Brass Band.
trollhattan
@Calouste:
Surely there are a few still considering entering? I’d like to score the One-Score Debate.
Mike J
@Gimlet: They booed because the Seattle PD has been under a consent decree from the DOJ for years. They’re one of the worst, most repressive PDs in the country.
Amir Khalid
@srv:
Clearly, also a man utterly ignorant of international law: the US has no right to enter another nation’s territory and seize its assets in that way.
Mnemosyne (iPhone)
@Gimlet:
I know, it’s so bizarre that a loyal voting bloc wants to be sure that their issues are important to the candidates before voting for them. Why can’t they just sit down, shut up, and vote for who we tell them to?
trollhattan
Fire up the BiP signal. On second thought, don’t. File under “L” for least-surprising news ever.
Gimlet
Think anybody will point out the withdrawal from Iraq was negotiated by Dubya-Cheney before they left office.
Bush, who will speak at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley on Tuesday evening, will argue, as he often does on the campaign trail, that Clinton and Obama are to blame for the spread of ISIL across Iraq and Syria and for the broader instability in the Middle East.
Bush will conveniently shift the the blame from his brother, who started the war he now admits was a mistake, to the Democrat he’d likely face should he become the GOP nominee.
“That premature withdrawal was the fatal error, creating the void that ISIS moved in to fill – and that Iran has exploited to the full as well,” Bush will say, according to excerpts of his speech released Monday night by his campaign.
“ISIS grew while the United States disengaged from the Middle East and ignored the threat. And where was Secretary of State Clinton in all of this? Like the president himself, she had opposed the surge … then joined in claiming credit for its success … then stood by as that hard-won victory by American and allied forces was thrown away.
sigaba
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: God it’s all becoming clear. Trump isn’t running for the Republican nomination, he’s running for President of GamerGate.
trollhattan
@beltane:
I’d be happy to send Beyonce to the Middle East.
Steve in the ATL
@mai naem mobile: i saw a Carson sticker in suburban Atlanta this morning, and one in Augusta over the weekend. Augusta surprised me: while they are way conservative, they are also way racist.
Gimlet
@Mnemosyne (iPhone):
Why can’t they just sit down, shut up, and vote for who we tell them to?
I think the point was to direct their altogether righteous cause to the appropriate authority, the current Democratic administration not some theoretical future one.
Gin & Tonic
@trollhattan: Well, his sometime understudy BobS was hanging around in the thread downstairs, so maybe he’ll come by to tell us that the evidence was planted, or manufactured, or inconclusive anyway, since the Ukrainian military had BUKs as well.
Amir Khalid
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Why the Shiite ayatollahs of Iran would support the Sunni ISIL “caliphate” is beyond me. But I guess Donald Trump is a Middle East policy genius and knows things that I don’t.
Gimlet
@Amir Khalid:
Obviously “The enemy of my enemy is my friend”!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Oy. Still with the “Surge”. Peter Beinart has a piece in the Atlantic pushing back against this nonsense, though Repubilcans have already been pretty successful in selling this idea, largely due to McCain being the Beltway’s war hero surrogate daddy. No one really questions anymore whether the “surge” worked. Kind of the way Colin Powell has been able to float in some vague assumption that he nobly resigned from the Bush administration. He was thrown away like a used Kleenex when he no longer served an electoral purpose.
I’d like pundit reporter to ask Jeb!: “Can we really say the surge worked if a massive American military force was still necessary more than three years later?”
Amir Khalid
@Gin & Tonic:
I’ll give BobS this much: unlike BiP, he’s never tried to pester me to blame the Ukrainians for MH17.
PurpleGirl
Rant: I just took a phone from some unnamed person for an unnamed company looking for me to change my electricity supplier, i.e., leave Con Edison. I have the response down pat — The apartment complex I live in has ITS OWN POWER PLANT. I do not have service from Con Edison. Have a nice day. Goodbye.
A few years ago I went through these phone calls and mailings about changing my electric service. They (whoever “they” are) get the phone numbers from Con Edison but I guess Con Edison just dumps all the phone numbers of whoever ever an account with them. (I’ve not had a Con Edison account since 1999!) It is tiresome.
This is retail power in NYS. I could have told the PSC that retail power wouldn’t get many people to change and give up Con Edison (or another of the old private generators) because the process is a little tricky and the discount is minimal and you get the saved money as a credit on your NEXT YEAR’S bill. I ran the numbers for my old apartment and found I’d have saved all of $3 a year… (Maybe it was more, but not tens of dollars or hundreds of dollars, just a handful of dollars.)
ARGH!!!!!
ETA: I called the State Attorney’s General office about these phone calls and they told me they can’t do anything unless I have the name of company making the phone call. I tried several times, unsuccessfully to get a supervisor or someone to ask for a company name.
end of rant.
Gotta go buy some food. Be back in a bit.
Ramalama
@mai naem mobile: I saw a confederate flag sticker on the back of a pickup in a small laurentian town in Quebec. I asked my partner to go take a photo of it (she took photos in Baghdad for god’s sake during the first Gulf War) but she didn’t understand I wanted context. So she took just the flag. No, no, I told her, and then gave a quick explanation. She then walked up to the truck owner (quebecois who had a friend in Florida where he bought the pickup) and told him (in French) an even briefer dimestore version of how he was being racist by having that flag on his truck. It just wasn’t in their wheelhouse. Both had no idea why I was all excited, really.
CONGRATULATIONS!
@Gimlet: Nope.
Mnemosyne (iPhone)
@Gimlet:
Yes, black voters should vote blindly for the candidates and hope that the candidates will make police violence a priority without being asked instead of stating their positions in the primary and getting the candidates to state their positions when it still matters. Good plan!
Gimlet
@Mnemosyne (iPhone):
I never said that.
If that’s what you think I said, I can’t straighten it out.
Brachiator
@KG:
Yep. Otherwise she wouldn’t be Fox approved.
Belafon
@trollhattan: If you google 2016 Republican presidential candidates, you’ll find out there are 37. Gilmore could be replaced easily.
Calouste
@trollhattan: I’m sure the GOP has a few more losers on the bench who last ran in an election in the previous decade and got beaten by double digits. They already have Fiorina, Santorum and Gilmore. Or failing that, what’s Scott Brown doing these days?
p.a.
Back in the Neolithic when I was in college (’77-’81) we read this; the basic theory was that the media has little effect on popular political opinion. Fux News would seem to obliterate this position. Except as a counter-argument I could see a claim that Fux merely makes debased opinions (the 27%?) already held acceptable to be publicized, and espoused by politicians. A previously non existent forum, as it were.
Amir Khalid
Can Patsy Marie do this? I can’t.
kc
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
In the future, everyone will receive death threats for 15 minutes.
boatboy_srq
@Ramalama: Part of the problem is the dogwhistle-to-English (or in this case le-dogwhistle-vers-le-Francais) disconnect. There are words and phrases – and, in this case, icons – that mean something totally different to the wingnuts than they do to normal people. This is by design: there’s no way that dogwhistle would be at all effective if these things transmitted the same meaning to the average person that they do to wingnuts.
Again, this goes back to why Trump is such a noodly blessing: he’s saying all the things the rest of the pack are saying, but he’s not using the dogwhistle to do it. With the mask ripped away, the translation is obvious and the offensiveness of the underlying concepts is laid bare.
The Thin Black Duke
And now for something completely different: in football-related news, Jets QB Geno Smith will be out for six to ten weeks because a teammate sucked-punched him in the locker room and broke his jaw.
trollhattan
@p.a.:
When I last took a media course there were few bespoke media outlets and certainly no avenue to tailor one’s viewing/listening/reading as a whole to their own very narrow viewpoint. I think it’s still the case, as then, that popular media mostly amplify existing viewpoints rather than crafting them. Shaping certainly occurs though, given the fresh daily dose of Luntz-tested outrages du jour, and they’re targeted at the susceptible, which makes them so baffling and hilarious to the rest of us. “Fox and Friends” could never exist anywhere else.
WaterGirl
@PurpleGirl: I get those, too, only I’m in Illinois. I’ve got it down to a science.
THEM: May I speak to the person who handles the phone bill?
ME: Not interested. Click.
Just don’t get me started on fucking Rachel from cardholder services. She’s evil.
RACHEL: Hi, I’m Ra —
ME: Click
trollhattan
@The Thin Black Duke: Holy crap, really? Was it Harvin? (He has a history….)
ETA Harvin was traded, wasn’t he. Forgot that bit.
Paul in KY
@The Thin Black Duke: The Jets!!!! Bet the person who punched him will easily get another job after sucker-punching the starting QB.
Paul in KY
@trollhattan: I think advertising works with a lot of people. Otherwise, they wouldn’t spend millions upon millions of dollars doing em.
Fox, IMO, is a form of advertising.
Roger Moore
@The Thin Black Duke:
That’s a now-former teammate.
Amir Khalid
@The Thin Black Duke:
And for how long will the teammate be out? I suspect that for an NFL player, assaulting anyone, let alone a teammate, should result in a lengthy suspension.
The Thin Black Duke
@trollhattan: Nope. It was reserve linebacker IK Enemkpali. He was immediately released, of course, but the damage was already done. And to rub salt into the wound, people were saying that Geno was looking damned good in training camp. Now his career is in jeopardy. The Jets really are a doomed franchise, y’know?
trollhattan
@Paul in KY:
Advertising is a funny thing, as so much of it is for product awareness rather than direct sales. One of my most difficult and engaging courses was Psychology of Marketing. When the psychologist showed up in “Mad Men” I was hoping they were going to dive deeper into the whole subject, as we’re all one gigantic testbed.
Mnemosyne (iPhone)
@Gimlet:
Give it a try. What did you mean to say if you feel my response was not accurate?
WaterGirl
Betty, which thread is that? I just looked at the titles of this morning’s threads, hoping to avoid that one. Is is the Ferguson THUGS thread? If so, I have two questions.
#1 How can those people in the photo be called THUGS? I didn’t see a single black person in the photo so surely our racist media isn’t calling them thugs?
#2 How did we get to a Bernie pie fight in a thread about Ferguson? It’s not because the first comment in the thread is from a troll, is it?
Brachiator
@Gimlet:
Nope. Too complicated.
I think that Bush is full of shit, but it is not unreasonable to hold the president currently in office responsible for foreign policy decisions.
Which brings us to the premature and ill-advised decision to invade Iraq in the first damn place, which complicated any efforts to stabilize Afghanistan or to help any other country in the region.
I think the Bush finger pointing can backfire and urge them to continue with this line of attack.
trollhattan
@The Thin Black Duke:
Man, that’s rough. Mets fans everywhere understand the long-running frustration of the loyal Jets fan.
The Thin Black Duke
@trollhattan: Yeah, but at least the Mets have won more than one championship.
Tree With Water
At TPM.com today, Rick Perlstein pleasantly surprised me in telling the following story about another American banner that should be furled. Although I knew the particulars, I had never seen the story whole before.
It also ties into my appeal to Hillary, that she level with voters about what really happened to further the plot to war by Bush-Cheney. The myths, misconceptions, and outright lies that took root in the aftermath of our War in Vietnam played a vital factor, I know that much. The successful dissemination of those lies were interwoven by Bush-Cheney in their infamous plotting, serving to set the table for the catastrophe of America’s War in Iraq.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/racist-history-of-pow-mia-flag
Paul in KY
@The Thin Black Duke: Thanks to Bill Buckner (ha, ha).
Betty Cracker
@Amir Khalid: No, but it looks like the exact same piano we have. It must attract animals somehow.
mtiffany
Still can’t get the cobbler batter right — it’s still coming out a dense, sodden lump. Tasty, but too dense. I think next time I’ll try folding in some egg whites whipped to stiff peaks.
Brachiator
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Current or past issue of the Atlantic?
This is the new Vietnam argument. “We would have won if the pansy politicians had let the generals do what we pay them to do.” Now, “the surge would have worked if Obama had loved America and supported the military and not tied their hands.”
It’s ridiculous that anyone takes McCain seriously as an expert on military strategy.
Keith G
@Mnemosyne (iPhone):
Don’t do it, Gimlet. It’s a trap!!!
Roger Moore
@Paul in KY:
I always wonder why the Red Sox incredible exploding bullpen gets let off the hook so easily. They gave up 13 runs (12 earned) in 15 1/3 innings, which is awful. Buckner never would have been in position to throw the game away if Schiraldi hadn’t blown Clemens’s lead in the 8th. And even if Buckner had made the play, the game still would have been tied at 5 because Schiraldi and Stanley managed to squander the 2 run lead the Red Sox hitters gave them in the top of the 10th. The kind of fans who would scapegoat Buckner for that don’t deserve to have World Series winning team.
Betty Cracker
@WaterGirl:
#1 — Just trying to flip the script.
#2 — That’s the thread. I don’t know who started it. But dead horses are being flogged to atoms, I tell you!
dedc79
@Roger Moore: As a Mets fan who was 7 years old when that Series was being played, it amazes me how many baseball fans (including Mets and Red Sox fans) misremember what the circumstances were at the time that Buckner missed the ball. In particular, there seems to be a collective amnesia regarding the fact that the Sox had already blown the lead with a wild pitch.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Brachiator: This is the new Vietnam argument. “We would have won if the pansy politicians had let the generals do what we pay them to do.” Now, “the surge would have worked if Obama had loved America and supported the military and not tied their hands.”
Beinart hits those notes. If anything he goes too easy on a political press unwilling to call out the McCain-Graham nonsense.
Ramalama
@boatboy_srq: Noodly blessing…love that phrase!
And yeah dogwhistles for french people or for Quebecers is obv different than Americans.
Mnemosyne (tablet)
In baking news, G just texted me to ask where the mixing bowls are, so I guess he really is going to make banana bread today. And he claims he found his copy of “Artisan Bread in 5 Minutes A Day,” so hopefully fresh bread is imminent.
Mnemosyne (tablet)
@Keith G:
A Balloon-Juice Classic just for you.
Paul in KY
@Roger Moore: I scapegoat him (and I hate the Red Sox BTW), because he was an ‘I I me me’ player. he knew he was injured, yet wanted to stay out there so he could jump around when they won. Should have put in a defensive replacement. Thus karma bit him & Red Sox in ass.