In 1963, we should not have honored SCOTUS decision to creat a wall of separation between prayer & school. Kim Davis for Rosa Parks Award.
— Steve King (@SteveKingIA) September 5, 2015
Steve “Pig Muck” King, always a bellwether for the prevailing bigotry of the day.
We're getting to the point where the only solution will be to burn down the GOP and spread salt across its ruins. http://t.co/ttumQqyU5Q
— Erick Erickson (@EWErickson) September 3, 2015
You go right on ahead with that project, Mr. Erickson. Don’t let us sane people discourage you!
Tara the Antisocial Social Worker
I must have missed the part where Rosa Parks got hired as the bus driver, refused to drive the bus with white people in it, and expected to get paid anyway.
(But I’m sure that’ll be in next year’s history textbooks in Texas.)
Cervantes
Context:
That’s what Erickson is saying.
Baud
We’re actually several years past that point, Eric.
RandomMonster
@Tara the Antisocial Social Worker: First comment wins the thread!
Baud
@Cervantes:
Um, what’s that a metaphor for?
jl
@RandomMonster: I agree. Nice comparison. This poor deluded woman thinks she is a preacher or something, not certifying civil contracts. Does she know LGBT people are living in double plus bad sin together without the papers?
She needs to hit the Good Book and read St. Paul on how to get along in a world full of heathens.
satby
@Tara the Antisocial Social Worker: Please tweet that back to that idiot.
redshirt
It’s weird that there are a few Republicans saying true things these days.
You’re right, Erick son Of Erick: Burn down the Republican party.
RandomMonster
@Baud:
Erickson knows he has to remind his rabid wingnut readership not to literally go destroying people…
gorram
@Tara the Antisocial Social Worker: To be honest, the closest analogue would be the bus driver who had her arrested, not Parks herself at all. But. You know. Persecution complexes and the American Christian Right. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Baud
@RandomMonster:
Oh, I understand the need to do that. I’m asking what concrete action his metaphor is supposed to represent. Vote for Trump? Don’t vote? Primary everyone?
satby
@jl: Nope, she needs to do her job or resign. We don’t need her to see the light, change her views, become a real Christian, or anything else: we need her to do her job or resign.
It really is that simple.
Tara the Antisocial Social Worker
@satby: I don’t do the twitter, but thanks, and feel free to quote or improve on it.
RSA
@Baud:
Erickson’s trying to forestall his receiving hundreds of pounds of salt through the mail from his supporters.
ETA: Okay, to be serious, I think it’s just a repeat of “Throw the bums out.”
magurakurin
@Cervantes: Honestly, it’s not much different from what the Berniacs over at KOS say about Hillary Clinton and the Democratc party. Substitute PlannedParenthood with Wall Street….If you like Sanders,and I do he is a decent guy, dont go over there. The Sanders supporters are such assholes that it will effect your opinion of Sanders in a negative way. Unfairly so, but it will happen all the same
Cervantes
One never really knows for sure what Steve King has in his head. In this case, given the “1963,” I suspect he’s talking about Murray v. Curlett — a case the Supreme Court heard in conjunction with Abington School District v. Schempp (which we mentioned in passing in March).
Anyhow, the “Murray” plaintiff mentioned above is the son of atheist Madalyn Murray O’Hair. Then, he was still a kid; now he is the author of Let Us Pray: A Plea for Prayer in Our Schools (New York: William Morrow, 1995).
RandomMonster
@Baud:
Good question. I think you’re on to something here. He probably doesn’t have any concrete strategy, all he has is rage metaphor…
schrodinger's cat
Anne [email protected]
Be careful what you wish for, whatever replaces GOP could be worse, like the right wing party in power in Hungary.
Baud
@magurakurin:
Do they want Sanders to shut down the government? Because that’s what Erick and his ilk want.
dmsilev
@RandomMonster: Especially since he’s the guy who organized a campaign to mail rock salt to Senator Collins of Maine. I don’t remember why, though it could be argued that mailing salt to Maine in the winter would probably be appreciated by the recipients, not taken as a sign of disapproval.
schrodinger's cat
I made mawa (condensed milk but without the sugar) cake for tomorrow’s cookout. Its a popular delicacy from the Irani bakeries in Mumbai. Its my take on it, since most recipes are family secret. Its flavored with cardamom instead of vanilla.
Merwan was the best of the best, but unfortunately they went out of business before I could visit Bombay again.
Cervantes
@magurakurin:
Thanks. It’s not a site I look at.
Baud
@schrodinger’s cat:
OK, I’m hungry now.
Brachiator
Might there be a Kim Davis effect spreading across the land? Random people deciding that their personal views should substitute for law and reason in a civil society?
So, we have an Arby worker declining to serve a police officer. But it is a private business, not the gummint, so the outcome was more swift.
Put on leave with two days pay. The manager, on the other hand, got fired.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/arbys-makes-decision-on-clerk-accused-of-denying-officer-service/
Cervantes
@dmsilev:
Not Susan Collins; it was Olympia Snowe.
Salt. Snowe. Get it? (I’m not joking.)
Ruckus
@Cervantes:
You may not know what he is “thinking”, but it’s pretty obvious that his head is filled with shit. It’s what happens when one’s head is firmly inserted in the exit orifice, especially if one is too dumb to know that’s where one lost it.
dmsilev
@Cervantes: Right, Snowe not Collins.
That was during RedState’s “mail random things to Congress” phase. Didn’t they also organize a Silly Putty mailing to someone?
jl
@satby:
” she needs to do her job or resign. ”
Well, I agree. I think the problem is that her position is that of an elected official in that county, and there is no recourse right now other than to hold her in contempt until she decides to obey the law and do her job. If she were an employee, she probably would be fired by now, unless her boss were just as misguided as she is.
Edit: and I read that the court found some clerks who will issue the certificates while she is in jail. But I also read that she says that any thing issued while she is in jail is not valid, and I suppose she stays there because she would order to her employees to stop issuing certificates as soon as she got back to her office.
Aside from the legalities, I was talking about that fact that these people claim to be ‘Bible believing’ Christians, but there is nothing I know of in the Bible, particularly the New Testament, that tells these people that they should be acting this way.
ThresherK
Guests here. I made a pineapple upside-down cheesecake during our afternoon gabbing, and we’re digging in shortly.
sm*t cl*de
@dmsilev:
More to the point, it was the “Buy random things from Erik Erikson at a lucrative mark-up and post them to Congress” phase.
srv
It’s 1912 all over again, but Trump the populist and the Republican party will be one this time. Roosevelt and Taft had 25% more votes than Wilson. Where Teddy Roosevelt failed, Trump will succeed.
We’re over a year from the election and the excitement on the right is palpable.
Cervantes
@Baud:
Seems clear to me he’s arguing that (unless they do such-and-so), the Republican Party and the Washington-based “Pro-Life movement” should be boycotted, dismantled, destroyed, etc.
I’m not touching his use of “metaphorically speaking,” mostly because I have no idea if he knows what it means, and I really don’t want to spend another nanosecond thinking about it.
Have a great evening!
kuvasz
“DELENDA EST GOP!”
Erick the Elder.
Baud
@srv:
Fixed.
Cervantes
@srv:
Everyone should have something to palp.
Palp away. Palp for all you’re worth!
By the way, I explicated you. Feel free to tell me I got it wrong.
jl
@srv:
” We’re over a year from the election and the excitement on the right is palpable. ”
Kind of like the palpable excitement of some frat rats starting a food fight in their corner of the cafeteria.
magurakurin
@Baud: I wouldnt say the government for sure but theydo seem to want to burn down the Democratic party. Or at the very very least, Hillary Clinton. Lots of anger and hate there. Of different variety than Eric’s for sure. But troubling all the same. I’m not a fan of revolutions, whether left or right.
Betty Cracker
@magurakurin: Backlash against Sanders because some of his supporters are assholes seems to be a thing. I don’t understand it. They can’t possibly be more obnoxious than the PUMAs were back in the day, but it would be silly to hold that against Hillary Clinton.
benw
@Cervantes: Your palping is leaving me whelmed.
lamh36
Ooooh…Open Thread.
Working this weekend, so I have limited time until I’m completly off on Monday. I usually do my meal prep on Sundays, but I wanted to be finished before Labor Day. On this new diet plan, I find if I stick to meal prep on the weekend for at least the entire week, I stay on plan.
So anyway, while I’m waiting for my meals to finish, I’m watching Tangled on ABCFamily and before that I was watching the new promo videos for ABC’s new “Muppets Show”. Man…ABC really is going all out with the PR push for the Muppets show. The promo vids are hilarious. You can see them all on the Muppet’s facebook page here: ABC Presents: The Muppets
My fav promos: Nathan Fillion Has Questions for Kermit
Followed by Nathan Fillion making the “Walk of Shame” from Miss Piggy’s trailer…lol.
I already see some “folks with kids” making “demands” about the new Muppets show not being “kid friendly”.
Just so no one gets the wrong idea, but show ain’t gonna be some sort of nasty crank yankers crazy, but it will be geared to more adult audience as befitting the prime time hour (and if you know ur Muppets then u prob no the original Muppet concept was more tongue in cheek mature humor than Sesame street.)
satby
@jl: Because there isn’t one. And it wouldn’t matter, as the professional Xtians just ignore what they don’t like in the Bible anyway.
We live in a secular country. Whatever they want to believe they can, because it’s totally beside the point. Instead of trying to point out the error of her theological thinking we have to hammer the point that no theology applies.
magurakurin
@Betty Cracker: go over there and read some. I’ m not saying it is rational, just that it’ll happen. Or just take my advice, if you like Bernie dont go there.
satby
Back to the cleaning project or I won’t have a bed tonight!
benw
@Ruckus:
It’s pretty obvious what he wants is this:
Long-haired, hippie liberal: “Can you believe Steve King compared Kim Davis to Rosa Parks!?”
Shaven-headed, commie liberal: “I know!! Can you BELIEVE it!? I’m so mad!!”
Starbucks-drinking, middle-class liberal: “Me too!! I’m SO FURIOUS RIGHT NOW!”
Not much more going on in his head than that.
Baud
@Betty Cracker:
It may be a question of proximity. PUMAs sucked, but I recall precious few of them at kos, where I still hung out in 2008. If the obnoxious Bernie folks are ever present, I can see it having a negative effect.
Glidwrith
Since this is an open thread, I have a challenge for the ‘Juicer commentariat:
Have any of you put spaghetti noodles into chili? Mr. Glidwrith claims this is Southern-style chili. I call it an abomination, though tasty enough.
Your thoughts?
jl
@satby:
” we have to hammer the point that no theology applies.’
I agree there too. It is a civil contract, not a religious marriage. A civil contract in a country with a secular government and separation of church and state.
I will hammer both points. The one about separation of church and state in general, and the one about these people are making stuff up if they claim to get their religion from the Bible. The ones who are committed nuts are probably beyond reason. But I run into well meaning people who go to church, who are very confused about both points, and they can be persuaded not to go off into nuts land.
Cervantes
@Betty Cracker:
If that is a thing, maybe it’s because it’s a useful thing, or even the easiest useful thing.
Or maybe it comes from looking too much (or only) at on-line politics.
Anyhow, I don’t claim to understand it, either.
benw
@magurakurin:
Good advice. Most of the commenters at KOS are douchenozzles. On the other hand, Sanders is a decent guy with a tremendous amount of experience who supports the majority of policy that progressives and/or liberal Democrats want. Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Betty Cracker
@Glidwrith: Chili mac is a thing (a good thing!), which is close. Don’t recall ever seeing spaghetti noodles in particular combined with chili.
Belafon
@Glidwrith: I’d never had it, living in Texas most of my life, but they serve it at Steak & Shake.
Belafon
A response to King, from another congressman:
gelfling545
@Cervantes: Erickson needs medication. Seriously.
raven
@Betty Cracker: Cincinnati chili
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Baud: I never held HRC responsible for PUMAs, who were mostly for pointing and laughing. Not even for Bubba. I did hold her responsible for herself– “hard-working, white Americans”, “just a speech”. “I’m sorry if people find this confusing” (i.e., the email thing) isn’t offensive in the same way, but it is a pretty stupid thing to say, even if you think, as I do, that this is a pretty stupid excuse for a controversy. I liked “when I took office at State, which email address to use wasn’t at the top of my list”.
@Glidwrith: Isn’t that one of (perhaps the least revolting of) the defining ingredients of Cincinatti chili? I’ve never heard of it as being particularly southern.
Cervantes
@raven:
Well, there is that, but I suspect it’s not the same “chili” Glidwrith asked about.
Betty Cracker
@Cervantes: It’s true I’ve only noticed that phenomenon online. Not just blogs and Twitter, though; I’ve seen op-ed and analysis pieces on it. I don’t discuss politics with people I know IRL enough to have a reliable read on current trends in liberal / Dem politics (surrounded by Republicans for the most part).
Baud
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
I don’t hold candidates responsible for their supporters either. But many people will.
raven
Ben Kuroki, a decorated Japanese-American gunner in the Army Air Forces of World War II, who was hailed on the American homeland at a time when tens of thousands of Japanese-Americans were confined to internment camps as supposed security risks, died on Tuesday in Camarillo, Calif. He was 98.
“In February 1944, when Sergeant Kuroki was on leave at a reassignment center in Santa Monica, Calif., he spoke to the prestigious Commonwealth Club of San Francisco, whose members included leading businessmen, educators and journalists.
“When you live with men under combat conditions for 15 months, you begin to understand what brotherhood is all about, what equality and tolerance really mean,” he said.”
gelfling545
@Cervantes: I do drift through there on occasion and my impression has been a bit different. Sure there are a few who are a bit extreme yet even here, on these hallowed grounds, sometimes folks get a bit carried away. No worse than a lot of places & certainly better that it was in 2009 when everything was about how President Obama was the 2nd George Bush.
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@Glidwrith: It sounds like what’s called 3-way chili in Cincinnati.
HTH.
Cheers,
Scott.
magurakurin
@gelfling545:
Post a comment defending or praising Clinton. Then put on your flame suit.
Mike in NC
@Glidwrith: Friend from Ohio says it is common in some parts of that state.
cmorenc
@Betty Cracker:
A key question about the hard-core Bernie supporters among the progressive ranks is – if he doesn’t get the nomination but Hillary does, will they be SUPREME assholes and stay home in Nov 16 or vote instead for some purity-pony third party candidate because Hillary is undeserving of any true progressive’s vote – in similar fashion to how Nader voters in 2000 wouldn’t vote for Gore because he was too establishment, insufficiently progressive for their tastes? Yeah, that worked out SO well to advance the progressive cause, and it sure showed that Al Gore he didn’t do enough to deserve progressive support, didn’t it?
And meanwhile, President Bush and VP Cheney were already busy scheming how they could get a war started to overthrow Saddam Hussein and then implant a friendly regime in Iraq who would sell oil to the US cheap. And then 9/11 gave them a genuine national security crisis which they misappropriated to start that Iraq war.
magurakurin
@cmorenc: Everyday gaggles of them pledge not to vote for Clinton if Sanders loses. It’s fucking depressing.
raven
Lot of people talk a lot of shit.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@cmorenc: I do worry about HRC getting Gore-d. I think it was a VSP pundit who said that HRC inspires a negative cult of personality. I was lukewarm to her even before she got rage-bent in ’08, mostly because of Iraq, but I really do not get the level of disdain she inspires among the Villagers, and I wonder how many of those Bernie-acs at D-Kos would flock to Joe Biden (AUMF, MNBA) as the compromise between electable and “pure” if he did declare his candidacy.
SiubhanDuinne
@cmorenc:
@magurakurin:
My sense of Sanders — and it is only a gut sense — is that if Hillary gets the nomination, he would be outspoken in urging his supporters to vote for her in preference to the GOP candidate or just staying home. And I don’t think Bernie himself would be a third-party candidate. I just don’t see him as the kind of ego-driven spoiler Nader was in 2000. He has already been somewhat successful in pulling the conversation leftward, and can do even more of that in the next few months. If I’m right, I just hope his rabid followers will pay attention to him.
Betty Cracker
@cmorenc: I was one of the idiot Nader voters in 2000, and I’ll reget it for the rest of my life. But you’d have to be especially stupid to repeat that mistake with the example of how badly it can go awry such a recent part of history. I suspect the obnoxious nitwits on Kos and elsewhere are louder than they are numerous.
@SiubhanDuinne: This. Sanders has said he won’t play spoiler more than once. I believe him. Unlike Nader, he is a working politician and understands the stakes.
magurakurin
@raven:true that, as always the voice of wisdom.
Snarki, child of Loki
Clearly, that’s a “metaphor” for destroying the GOP with thermonuclear weapons, and salting the remains with Cesium-137.
When do we start?
Baud
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
The Village will hate whoever the nominee is.
@SiubhanDuinne:
Agree. Sanders is a good guy.
raven
@magurakurin: Sorry, I’m sic as a dog and just hanging on over here!
magurakurin
@Betty Cracker:
I don’t they would. They aren’t Democrats to begin with. But, they don’t represent any significant real world force. It’s just the DKOS. But, if you go over there, I’m warning you, you’ll come back with a different opinion of Sanders. You’ll be shakin you head wondering why but…it’s like when they brain washed Zoolander….”kill the Malaysian Prime Minister…”
Baud
@raven:
Sorry to hear that.
Belafon
@magurakurin: As a Clinton supporter, I’m not too worried. I’ll have no problem voting for Sanders if he wins, and based on 2008, Democrats will support the nominee. A lot of people like to try to force people to see things the way they do, bullying if necessary, but most of the voters know what the alternative actually means.
magurakurin
@raven: hang in there boss. And in my book you are the voice of wisdom. A sort of Sancho Panza, grounding things when they drift to far into the clouds.
raven
@Baud: It’s really going around here, nasty ass sore throat with awful coughing. I’m glad I left at halftime and didn’t get caught in the rainstorm on the walk home.
Aleta
@Tara the Antisocial Social Worker: ha ha ha
magurakurin
@SiubhanDuinne: I agree about Sanders completely. But heads are gonna explode at the Great Orange Satan when Sanders and Warren endorse Clinton.
Baud
@raven:
Damn. I hope it doesn’t spread. I don’t want it.
trollhattan
Remain up in the air as to what it says that I was born in Rep Steve King’s(R, some planet) district, but I’d like to repeat my thanks to my parents for decamping when I was three. Thanks mom, dad, wherever you are.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Belafon: I think it was in ’09, after Obama’s inauguration, that a Great Gathering of PUMAs was planned, and had to be canceled due to low response. It inspired one of my favorite PUMA bleats ever on one of their blogs : “Are we really that small a sliver of the party?”
Baud
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Ha. I remember that.
raven
@Baud: Well, the tree and ragweed pollen is really high here so maybe that’s it. I’m not really around very many people (unless you count 85,000 between the hedges) so I don’t know that I “caught it”.
raven
@magurakurin: Well, my butt is grounded that’s for sure!
benw
@magurakurin: the very few times I’ve gone there, I’ve come back with a worse opinion of them.
@raven: Sorry you’re sic [sic]. (Couldn’t help it) How was the game?
@Betty Cracker: agree with everything here. Sanders has already said he will support the eventual D nominee.
Betty Cracker
That Hargreaves III kid will be playing on Sundays next year.
raven
@benw: It’s was OK. They weren’t very good but it was fun to see the transfer QB from UVA throw a decent ball. We’re loaded at running back, tight ends, d-line and linebacker so if Lambert can “manage” the games we might be OK. Bama’s D is scary.
Glidwrith
@Cervantes: @raven: Hubby is from Louisville, so this is probably Cincinnati chili. Raven’s picture is a close enough match to his dish. I like to tease him since no one outside of the region seems to have heard of it.
Ruckus
@benw:
So you’re saying you agree?
Do remember it could be someone/something else’s ass his head is up.
SWMBO
@Cervantes: Madeline Murray O’Hair had two sons. One followed her in her footsteps as an atheist and the other is a conservative Christian minister. Not sure which one was the one used to file the lawsuit.
raven
@efgoldman: As a guy I know said “keep going as long as you can because soon you won’t be able to”. Last year I’ve never been hotter than the Clemson game and never been colder than the Auburn tilt (here at Georgia anyway) It’s a gift for me to be able to go foe $20 a game and I don’t get duckets when I retire so I’m gonna keep on jamming.
It’s why I spend 8 hrs a day fishing when we go to the beach too.
Ruckus
@raven:
Was going to mention Skyline.
But that crap is not chili, no matter what they say or call it. I’ve eaten chili from many, many regions of this country and while I’m not a fan of all of them, none of them is as terrible as Skyline. Including something I’ve had in the navy that said it was chili but was nothing like any other.
raven
@efgoldman: Oh it’s nuts. You have to make a huge donation just to be on the list. I’ve been fortunate in that I don’t work AT the university but my job gets me F/S privileges while I am employed. I have it figured so I’ll get em for at least two more seasons so it’s cool.
These are my seats, 1st row of the upper deck.
raven
@Ruckus: I’m the piano player.
lgerard
Do you think that anyone will tell Steve King that there is no “Rosa Parks Award”?
I assume he just thinks there is one because… blah people
JCJ
@Betty Cracker:
The problem is it only took about 500 or so of them in Florida to completely fuck the rest of us.
Cervantes
@Glidwrith:
No idea what your husband is thinking! All I meant to point out is that the “chili” people consume in Texas (say) is different from the “chili” other people celebrate in Cincinnati. Aside from spaghetti, the latter can include cinnamon, Worcestershire sauce, and even cocoa.
Or as @Ruckus put it:
Anyhow, bon appetit!
Cervantes
@JCJ:
Seems a little silly to blame them. Do you know what percentage of the Democratic electorate turned out to vote in that election? How many stayed home?
Belafon
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Is there an adage similar to “Don’t confuse smoke with fire”?
Maybe something about noise.
JCJ
@Cervantes:
You are right. Also the obstacles Jeb! had placed did not help. It was multifactorial.
Benw
@raven: sounds good. Looking forward to the GA/GaTech game this year.
SWMBO
@JCJ: Wrong. There were 3000 or so Pat Buchanan voters in Jewish Palm Beach that helped. And the fucking butterfly ballot didn’t help that at all. Katherine Harris had several questionable things happen (there were 10,000 absentee ballots in Seminole County that were ALL Republican and other shenanigans like nursing homes voting absentee ballots that were Republican and the patients were comatose or not competent.) There was a lot of hinky shit in that election. Nader voters were part of that but it wasn’t the only thing by far.
ETA the Electoral College is what fucked us the hardest. Gore won the popular vote overall.
Belafon
@JCJ: A statistics book I have uses the butterfly ballot issue from the 2000 election to show how statistical analysis can help analyze a problem. The graph showed how that one county disproportionately voted for Buchanan by comparing the Buchanan vote in all the counties in the state relative to Perot’s vote in 1996.
Cervantes
@SWMBO:
The one I mentioned.
Betty Cracker
@JCJ: Nader got around 100K votes in FL, which made it close enough for Bush to steal by 500 or so when you add in the butterfly ballots, unconscionable voter purge, registered Dems voting for Bush, etc.
Maybe I’m too optimistic, but I don’t see people who participate in a Democratic primary like Sanders voters are doing defecting in those kind of numbers, especially when, unlike Nader, Sanders endorses and campaigns for the nominee. I think it’ll be more like the fart in the whirlwind that was PUMA.
Benw
@Ruckus: oh yeah, I agree that King’s full of shit. My joke was just that all he’s trying to do with that tweet is piss off as many different liberals as possible. He can’t think any further than that.
Heliopause
I seem to have missed the part where they ever honored it. I’m 55 years old and they’ve been bitching about this for as long as I can remember.
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@SWMBO: As you point out, there were lots and lots of problems with the election in FL. The baseline problem was, though, that the election was too close there, and the way the rules are, the state legislature decides who gets the electors. If the election had been as close as it was with a Democratic legislature in FL, then Gore probably would have won the electors.
The lesson is that voters need to make sure that elections aren’t close enough to be messed around with. That means that Gore should have run a better campaign, and had better advice on the recounts.
Cheers,
Scott.
JCJ
@SWMBO:
I am aware of all of those other things and perhaps if there had not been butterfly ballots and the like the Bush team would have still stolen the election with more nursing home votes. Maybe the Nader voters would have all voted for Bush, maybe they would have stayed home, I don’t know. Send all the purity ponies to the glue factory!
Jeffro
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: yeah, that is the thing, right? It’s always a very small sliver stirring up crazy stuff. 2008 taught us all that once the intra-party stuff settles, we have to focus on the Main Event (and we did, we did!)
Speaking of which: Obama’s certainly going to make a pitch or eight for party unity once there’s a nominee. Unlike the GOP, we get to have our outgoing President address our convention, get people fired up & ready to go!, and make sure everyone focuses on the big picture. It would be quite unlike Mr. Eleventy-Dimensional Chess to leave that aspect of his legacy untended to.
J R in WV
@Ruckus:
Skyline is Greek style meat sauce. It doesn’t resemble south-western chile at all, it isn’t supposed to.
It’s pretty good with some shredded onions, cheese and tabasco sauce. And an Ice Cold Beer!!
Schlemazel
@Baud:
I like that he blames KOS for this attitude when it is just a handful of commenters. II don’t read comments there because there are some real loons but this is the same bullshit billO pulls to paint dk and by association all liberals as no better than the voice of red state
Eric U.
@J R in WV: I always wanted to like Skyline chili, but it always left me wishing it was better. Probably because I didn’t have enough beer
Cervantes
@JCJ:
Well, we do have some indications. According to VNS exit polls, about half of those who voted for Nader said that, absent Nader, they’d have voted for Gore; about one fifth said they’d have voted for Bush; and about a third said they’d have stayed home. (Very late exit poll: If Betty Cracker wants to chime in here, she can tell us what she would have done.)
Anyhow, those numbers are nation-wide; numbers for Florida alone were too small to be statistically significant.
Your dysphemism pleases you but (or maybe because) it conceals an unpleasant (inconvenient?) truth. Tell me again what the margin was in Florida and how many potential Democratic voters stayed home when they could have voted.
Blaming some relatively small number of third-party voters is too easy. Here’s a truism: People who vote their consciences are better voters than those who don’t vote at all.
redshirt
@Betty Cracker:
In Florida, no less. Damn. That’s a sin you cannot expunge. I mean, essentially, 2000-2008 is your fault.
I pray for you.
Of course, you are forgiven. But still….
Cervantes
@J R in WV:
Yes, I agree. It’s Mediterranean.
Honus
@Glidwrith: Cincinnati chili
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Jeffro: Yeah, I think both Obamas and Biden are gonna be very active surrogates for HRC (you can see what assumptions I’m making). Lotta Big Fuckin’ Deals to be preserved, and a Senate (maybe) within our grasp.
I’d be curious to know what Kay and Betty think of their state’s chances of flipping a Senate seat, or anyone else who has a potentially interesting race in their state. I’m planning to send my spare cash to Tammy Duckworth, maybe Strickland in OH. The wiki page has some interesting (if true!) information. Deadbeat Dad Joe Walsh might primary Mark Kirk? Steve King may run if Grassley retires?
Ruckus
@Benw:
He’s more like an automated phone system, preprogrammed, because actual thought is so rare as to be unmeasurable. He hears a word and out spurts a recorded racist/stupid/conservative (but I repeat myself) message.
redshirt
Florida 2000 is a perfect example of why third parties suck in America, due to our winner take all election system.
In Maine, because of a third party who’s progressive, the approximately 60% of the vote which is progressive was split, allowing the dumbest of the Wingnuts to rule and ruin our state for 8 years.
Fuck 3rd parties.
Schlemazel
@magurakurin:
That’s funny because I read the front page regularly and it has not changed my opinion at all. In case you missed it Erikson is Red State and the commenters at Daily Kos are just faceless voices so != not in any way. This happens every 8 years now I guess. Lots of idiots on all sides say stupid shit but it amounts to nothing. Betty has it right comparing this to the PUMAs
Ruckus
@J R in WV:
I don’t drink but a beer would still be by far the best part of that mix.
And so if it isn’t chili why do they call it that? They are very protective of that description, chili. They are also very wrong. Also I’ve been in Greece and eaten many meals there and never once tasted anything like Skyline.
redshirt
If you haven’t seen Mad Max yet, rectify that immediately.
Honus
@Glidwrith: on the other hand, given your name, you should be interested to know that we something here in Charlottesville called a “Grillswith”. It’s a donut cooked on the hamburger grill with ice cream in the hole.
When the mystery writer Michael Connelly visited here a few years ago he was greatly enamored with it. He compared to mystery writing saying the cook took something greasy and just kept making it greasier, and then added some cloying sweetness to it.
Mike J
Trump on Putin
Matt McIrvin
@lamh36: I think a lot of people who last watched The Muppet Show as children don’t remember all the mildly risqué (and, from a 2015 perspective, often horribly sexist) jokes that flew straight over their heads.
I just tell people to go watch the Raquel Welch episode. It was at least TV-PG.
Betty Cracker
@Cervantes: I would have voted for Gore if I hadn’t voted for Nader, and I agonized over that vote prior to casting it more than I’ve ever agonized over a vote before or since. My husband and I argued over it for weeks before the election (he voted for Gore). I’ll go to my grave regretting it, but oh well. I was younger and dumber, and I learned my lesson.
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: The senate race will be interesting down here. I’m hoping the Democrats don’t nominate Alan Grayson, because I don’t think he can win statewide, even if the Republicans nominate an absolute clown like Ted Yoho or a boring old retread like Bill McCollum.
Cervantes
@Ruckus:
Originally, marketing; now, tradition.
Villago Delenda Est
@magurakurin: Keep in mind that these people are just like the fundigelicals, who swore up and down they’d never vote for the cultist Romney.
Then did so anyway.
Matt McIrvin
@Baud: I remember Firedoglake’s omni-rejectionism as actually starting out as Clinton-fan PUMAism. That was probably the place to go for that in 2008.
dave
If the GOP wants to do away with the SCOTUS decision separating church and state, they can. They can introduce legislation for a constitutional amendment saying something, and yet they never get around to spelling out what they want. Theocracy is a nasty word, and though they may want it, they can’t exactly admit it
benw
@Ruckus:
Press 1 for a racist diatribe. Press 2 for a lecture on tax cuts. Press 3 to hear how everything is Obama’s fault. Press 4 for an anti-immigrant screed. Press 5 for a salute to our real American military heros. Press 6 to be told why abortions make Jesus cry. Press 7 for generic conservative word salad. Para Espanol oprima ocho. Press 9 to repeat this message. Thank you.
RaflW
@RandomMonster:
Mmmm, I dunno. I think he just meant the salt part was a metaphor. But I do appreciate that he’s decided to destroy his own side this time, I do applaud that tactic.
Honus
@Cervantes: I agree with this guy on what you an and cannot call chili
http://deadspin.com/how-to-make-chili-a-guide-for-people-who-arent-anti-b-5947501
Matt McIrvin
@magurakurin: Some of Donald Trump’s economics talk sounds almost like it might be ganked from Bernie Sanders. I’m wondering if Trump thinks he can actually peel off some of the hardcore anti-Clinton Sanders fans if it’s him vs. Hillary.
redshirt
@dave: They – the Right Wing – want an autocratic theocracy in the worst way.
And we’re literally the only thing standing in their way.
Fight on.
Our cause is noble and worthy.
redshirt
Probably doomed, too.
RaflW
@srv:
One supposes lemmings feel a growing sense of group excitement before their big moment, too.
benw
@RaflW: Lemming suicide is a myth!
Eric U.
@benw: Next you’re going to tell me that GHWBush had seen a checkout scanner before his gaffe
RaflW
@Glidwrith: re: the OT:
I’ve served homemade chili in a pale imitation of Cincinnati style a few times — ladle the chili over cooked spagh, top with shredded cheddar (lots of it!) and onions and serve it up. It’s mighty tasty and a nice change.
We have chili once or twice a month from about Sept thru May ’round here. Good stuff, nice to mix up the starch (I use oyster crackers mostly if I don’t make wanna be Cinci chili).
Anne Laurie
@benw: HOW DARE YOU CHALLENGE OUR SACRED RELIGIOUS TEXTS, YOU INSENSITIVE BIGOT!!! (/GOP lemmings)
satby
@raven: sounds like you got the same thing Watergirl caught. Nasty cold going around.
satby
@satby: tried to add that I hope you get better soon raven.
benw
@Anne Laurie: “Me and this lemming are getting married right here in this county clerks’ office, and I don’t care what your stupid lemming religion says about it!”
RaflW
@Mike J: But does he have a sense of his soul?
Anne Laurie
@dmsilev:
IIRC, Erickson encouraged his loyal Red State Trike Farce — I mean, Strike Force — to go through his website & pay Amazon to ship that random cruft to unsuspecting gubmint drones. (One of them, as I remember, was a mail-a-brick-to-your-Congresscritter’s-office.) Of course Amazon gave the website a cut on every sale, so he achieved a triple play: give his minions something to do with their copious free-floating ragegasms, earn some free media when bored reporters noticed the spate of identical boxes, and get a little sumpin-sumpin to feed the Erickson kitty.
Anne Laurie
@srv:
And instead of the Bull Moose Party, they can call it the Bull Shit Party!
Get your hand out of your pants, unlike Red State, we have some standards at this blog.
karen marie
@jl: Five of the six deputy clerks are issuing marriage certificates. Her son, the sixth, is not. I haven’t heard anything about his status. Oddly, I read that her husband met with the clerks and said he didn’t tell them to do anything. Weird. I hadn’t heard that he was an elected official, works in the clerk’s office, or that the duties of an elected official fall to a spouse when the official is in jail or otherwise unable to perform their job.
Ruckus
@benw:
Xactly.
Ruckus
@Honus:
I disagree with him for my homemade stuff just a little bit. Acquired taste/inability to eat bell pepper. And I like to use whiskey rather than beer but beer is acceptable if no whiskey is available.
But no where in his recipe or mine is cinnamon listed. And as far as I can tell it’s not in any other version either. Except that dreck from Skyline.
magurakurin
@Schlemazel: I’ve been a DKOS member since September of 2004. So, there is at least one non crazy member. I would think it is somewhat obvious that not everyone over at KOS is a loon. But the general feeling over there right now is very anti-Clinton and “establishment Dems.” But there are some doing good work still.
rikyrah
@Glidwrith:
I remember a place from Diners, Drive-ins and Dives that poured chili over spaghetti. I think that it was in Ohio. It was a big seller.
Anne Laurie
@raven:
Nasal allergies will make you more susceptible to rhinovirus infections, too.
You probably know this, but if you have a/c in the bedroom, this is the time to shut the window & run the fan at night. And clean out the a/c filter every few days, too. (If you do much driving, it’s also worth paying someone to vacuum out the filters in your truck, as well.)
And remember, unless your doctor has warned you against it, Flonase (fluticasone propionate) is now available over the counter and it’s been a real boon to a lot of us “mid-life onset” allergy victims!
Ruckus
@efgoldman:
Hey, they are trying to reach the latino demographic. Probably would come out like this – ¡tu madre!
Ruckus
@Anne Laurie:
I use Nasacort and find it works better for me. YMMV
benw
@efgoldman:
dude, it took some Googling for me to figure out who you were referring to (which of course took me back to older BJ threads), but Mr. Frothy-lube was talking about man-on-dog, which is really fucked up. Me and this lemming, however, are the real thing. It’s love. Anyway, as far as I can tell, Big Rih spends 99% of his time thinking about hot dude-on-dude action, because that’s all he talks about. I wonder why…
Thoughtful Today
Erm….
Bernie’s supporters are drawn to his POLICIES.
Morally, Universal Health Care should be every American Citizen’s right, every American worker should have a living wage (which is currently a 15$ minimum wage), and State College and University educations should be free in a 21st century industrialized nation.
I’m also against the TPP and every other anti-worker trade policy like NAFTA, CAFTA, and our current trade status with China.
Bernie speaks to my Democratic values.
Fred
That’s right mister King! And why weren’t YOU, Steve King standing up in your sixth grade class and telling that secularist teacher to get back to her union hall ’cause you were standing up for teh Loerd-ah?
Oh you were too busy playing with your yo-yo and wiping buggers on the bottom of your desk. Never mind then.
Citizen Alan
@Betty Cracker:
Recent is a relative term. A Bernie supporter today who is aged 18-25 was aged 3-10 in 2000 and was far more interested in what sort of breakfast cereal they’d be getting than who the next President would be.
Citizen Alan
@JCJ:
My recollection is that the number of votes that went to Monica Morehead of the Workers of the World Party (or something like that) would have put Gore over the top.
Of course, I also believe that he’d have easily carried the state if he’d had enough brains to pick Bob Graham as his running mate instead of that sanctimonious swine Lieberman. YMMV.
Citizen Alan
@Villago Delenda Est:
True. I remember hearing my mom’s pastor describe Mormonism as a Satanic cult in 2008. And in 2012, that man and most of his church voted for a bishop in that Satanic cult over a black man who tried to give health care to poor people. At this point, I think most Christians would vote for the Antichrist if he won the GOP nomination.
Cervantes
@Honus:
He offers a back-handed compliment: Cincinnati chili is legitimately chili, says he, just as “chopped-up hot dogs and ketchup with a spoonful of chili powder mixed in” is also chili.
When you’ve said that, one might think you’ve said everything there is to say about Cincinnati chili — but he also says it tastes “like it exploded out of a ruptured vacuum bag.”
Betty Cracker
@Citizen Alan: It’s true that the youngest voters don’t have a personal recollection of Gore v Bush, but they grew up in the rubble of the W administration and seem keenly aware of how associated institutional failures have blighted their futures. My generation was too young to remember / understand Vietnam and Watergate, but those of us who weren’t completely incurious / stupid understood the importance of those events in shaping US politics when we were finally old enough to vote.
Uncle Cosmo
@srv:
FTFY, Jughead.
Some guy
Kids are free to pray at school as much as they want to.
What these loons want is to try to force MY kid to pray.
Jesus talked about public prayer in Matthew 6:5.
Somehow the Bible thumpers never want to take THAT passage literally.
neonnautilus
The gop fields already lie barren and unproductive, Mr. Erickson.