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You are here: Home / One day the bottom will drop out

One day the bottom will drop out

by DougJ|  March 1, 20167:00 pm| 147 Comments

This post is in: We Are All Mayans Now

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I hope that Trump is the Republican nominee. If I lived in a state with an open primary, I would vote in the Republican primary for Trump. Fifty years of resentment politics from the right created the conditions for Trumpism, and Trump is the candidate the GOP deserves.

I almost feel bad for @BillKristol & other cons being rolled by Trump. But they did help lead the GOP this way…And, btw, the Iraq war.

— David Corn (@DavidCornDC) March 1, 2016

In the immortal words of Mister Blonde “I say fuck ’em. They set off the alarm. They deserved what they got.”

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  1. 1.

    Mike J

    March 1, 2016 at 7:04 pm

    Every person on the right who raved about what a great choice Sarah Palin was is to blame. Every person on the right who sneered about Barack HUSSEIN Obama is to blame. Every person on the right that spoke out against the Voting Rights Act is to blame. Every person on the right who said, “well why won’t he just produce his birth certificate?” is to blame.

  2. 2.

    PsiFighter37

    March 1, 2016 at 7:05 pm

    but but but Peter Beinart said we should vote for Marco! Because MODERATION!

    One of the great tricks that the Rubio campaign pulled off is portraying the Robot as a moderate. The dude ran as a far-right candidate in 2010…how can the media forget that so quickly?

  3. 3.

    chopper

    March 1, 2016 at 7:07 pm

    @Mike J:

    true. these fuckers have been chipping away for years, but in 2008 they ended up breaking the seal wide open. and now they have trump.

  4. 4.

    WarMunchkin

    March 1, 2016 at 7:08 pm

    I mean, it it wasn’t Trump, it would have been someone else just about as crazy, so I’m not entirely sure I buy Trump-specific alarmism on this issue.

    Sure, he is definitely responsible for breaking even more of the norms that allow our democracy to function, but they were headed to be broken anyway, and we still have no answer regarding how to fix.

  5. 5.

    Arm The Homeless

    March 1, 2016 at 7:08 pm

    So if Sec. Clinton comes through the election the winner, appoints at least 1-2 justices in her first two years, while managing to keep us out of any(more) land wars in Asia, what should be the priority? Rebuilding redstate Dems, or election reforms?

    I would think that either one is top priority with a reapportionment election upcoming in 2020.

    Thoughts?

  6. 6.

    Ohio Mom

    March 1, 2016 at 7:09 pm

    He sure is the candidate the Republicans deserve but he also is not the President I deserve, yes it’s all about me. It was a terrible day and I’m claiming this one thing for myself.

    He’d better lose in November.

  7. 7.

    Mary G

    March 1, 2016 at 7:09 pm

    No votes in yet, but they’ve called Vermont for Bernie and Georgia and Virginia for HRC.

  8. 8.

    chopper

    March 1, 2016 at 7:10 pm

    i will say that while i generally disagree with all the hopeful talk about the GOP fracturing apart this year (they’re like the horror movie bad guy that always gets back up), we do have an ace up our sleeve.

    we have no-fucks-left-to-give obama. i have no doubts whatsoever that he’s going to troll the GOP into a fury this year.

  9. 9.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    March 1, 2016 at 7:10 pm

    Yesterday, Sanders did 2 campaign stops: one in Minnesota, one in Massachusetts.

    Meanwhile, Clinton did 8 campaign stops.

    She. Is. A. Junkyard. Dawg.

  10. 10.

    The Dangerman

    March 1, 2016 at 7:10 pm

    Don’t forget to thank Limbaugh for his ratfucking (Operation Chaos?) 8 years ago

  11. 11.

    eemom

    March 1, 2016 at 7:12 pm

    Didn’t shoot no deputy.

    I’m tired of 2 things:

    (1) fucking idiot concern trolls on the left (from Kevin Drum, dumbshit extraordinaire 24/7, to Peter Beinart at Atlantic, who usually knows better) whining that OMG we GOTTA stop Trump cuz he’s like WAY worse than Cruz or Rubio. Are they really that stupid?

    (2) other concern trolls like Corn bleating that they “almost feel sorry for republicans.” Yeah, like I almost wept when Scalia kicked it.

    Fuck those noises.

  12. 12.

    TheBuyjaysus

    March 1, 2016 at 7:12 pm

    Of course I’m excited by the prospect of a Trump nomination. They’ve used the Dixiecrat vote since the 60’s without delivering fuckall for that constituency and now the base has had enough. All them smarty pants, establishment and holier than thou types can eat shit. Worked great when that was the characterization of liberals.

    I guess my only reservation is that by some fluke the guy actually wins in November.

    Shit wouldn’t be funny then…

  13. 13.

    Doug!

    March 1, 2016 at 7:13 pm

    @eemom:

    Amen.

  14. 14.

    Smiling Mortician

    March 1, 2016 at 7:14 pm

    @chopper: This comforts me. It has the added benefit of being true. So, thanks.

  15. 15.

    Linda Featheringill

    March 1, 2016 at 7:14 pm

    Has the AP declared Hillary president of the US yet?

  16. 16.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    March 1, 2016 at 7:14 pm

    I do live in a state with an open primary and it’s really tempting. It would serve them right to have that loose cannon careening across their decks. OTOH, then he would have a chance to be President and if that happened I would never forgive myself for helping, however little.

  17. 17.

    Doug!

    March 1, 2016 at 7:15 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder:

    Rubio would be just as bad or worse.

  18. 18.

    Smiling Mortician

    March 1, 2016 at 7:15 pm

    @eemom: Word.

  19. 19.

    another_dave

    March 1, 2016 at 7:15 pm

    Here in Georgia I could’ve crossed over but the last time I did that (Hermann Cain’s senate campaign) I started getting calls from the Republican Party – do not want.

  20. 20.

    Mary G

    March 1, 2016 at 7:16 pm

    @eemom: I’m with you, the Republicans are reaping what they sowed and I hope they choke on it. I do like Kevin Drum though, even when I don’t agree with him.

  21. 21.

    rikyrah

    March 1, 2016 at 7:16 pm

    From Luvvie:

    It was Hella Onyx: The Blackest Black History Month Ever
    Awesomely Luvvie — March 1, 2016

    The Blackest and best Black History Month ever ended yesterday and I am just reveling in it’s abundant noirness. Still. It was utterly lit. Like Olympic Torch lit. Like Christmas Lights when you do too much so you keep the neighbors up all night because your house is one giant flashlight lit.

    There were so many amazing moments too. Let’s talk about it!

    Frederick Douglass’ Google Doodle Blowout
    On February 1, Google dropped their Doodle to commemorate Black History Month. We did not know what was to come in these 29 days, but we shoulda known it was a special one. An animated Frederick Douglass was featured on Google’s homepage, welcoming us into February with a blowout that was so legit, I was almost jealous I no longer had an afro. My man Frederick rocked the most righteous coiffure and we had to start the month by paying homage to that.

  22. 22.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    March 1, 2016 at 7:18 pm

    @Doug!:
    Yes but I don’t hate Rubio with the searing power of a thousand supernovas.
    At this time.

  23. 23.

    O. Felix Culpa

    March 1, 2016 at 7:19 pm

    @Doug!: And Cruz would be the worst of an extremely bad lot.

  24. 24.

    trollhattan

    March 1, 2016 at 7:19 pm

    Marley reference for the win.

  25. 25.

    JPL

    March 1, 2016 at 7:19 pm

    Doug said he’d vote for Trump, and since I live in GA, I could have. This was my thought process, omg vote for Trump and stop Cruz. Then Trump crossed the line with his racist comments, and I entertained the idea of voting for Rubio, to stop Trump. Yesterday I realized that they let Trump denigrate the office of the Presidency for years, without doing anything. It’s not up to me to crossover to vote for their candidate. Today I voted for Hillary because her ideas closely align with mine.

  26. 26.

    The Dangerman

    March 1, 2016 at 7:20 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder:

    ….he would have a chance to be President…

    Not to worry; the GOP is smart enough to put in an “adult” in the VP slot, kinda like when Cheney…

    ..oh, shit.

    ETA: The only way Trump wins is massive shenanigans; you can sleep easy.

  27. 27.

    different-church-lady

    March 1, 2016 at 7:21 pm

    You do realize that if this winds up being another “why the fuck not?” election, Trump actually becomes president, yes?

  28. 28.

    Smiling Mortician

    March 1, 2016 at 7:21 pm

    Just got an email from Bernie (probably my 7th of the day, 20th of the still-young week) crowing about his significant victory in Vermont. It’s a little sad.

  29. 29.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    March 1, 2016 at 7:21 pm

    @O. Felix Culpa:

    And Cruz would be the worst of an extremely bad lot.

    I’m not sure I wouldn’t rather endure 4 years of Cruz than see my homeland humiliated at home and abroad by Trump.
    But it’s kind of a burned alive/drowned in icy water choice.

  30. 30.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    March 1, 2016 at 7:23 pm

    @The Dangerman:

    The only way Trump wins is massive shenanigans; you can sleep easy.

    Or unforeseen accident to the Dem candidate. They’re all old. HRC had one stroke. That’s too much risk.

  31. 31.

    PsiFighter37

    March 1, 2016 at 7:24 pm

    Trump wins Georgia. On goes the clown show…

  32. 32.

    The Sheriff Endorses Baud 2016

    March 1, 2016 at 7:24 pm

    @different-church-lady: I see it this way: Romney won white voters by the largest margin ever. He still lost, and it wasn’t even close.

    With the Clintons and Obama on one side and Drunk Uncle Racist on the other, I’m not worried. It doesn’t mean I won’t help fight, but, no, I’m not worried.

  33. 33.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 1, 2016 at 7:25 pm

    @Arm The Homeless: You have to work the state level apparatus first. The states administer the elections, so unless you’ve broken the stranglehold there, you’ll not be very successful doing a reform of the process.

  34. 34.

    PsiFighter37

    March 1, 2016 at 7:25 pm

    @Smiling Mortician: Did he ask you for more money?

    I honestly wonder what the hell they are going to do with all that money…depending on tonight’s results, Bernie won’t have much of a shot left (assuming the Clinton campaign does not take anything for granted going forward).

  35. 35.

    Mike E

    March 1, 2016 at 7:26 pm

    @rikyrah: word

  36. 36.

    p.a.

    March 1, 2016 at 7:27 pm

    @Arm The Homeless: If we can rebuild state Dem quickly, elec reform follows. but if it can’t be done quickly (I don’t think it can) we must make voting painless. Make it a paid fed holiday.

  37. 37.

    The Republic, Blah Blah Blah...

    March 1, 2016 at 7:28 pm

    i’d say it’s all pretty Trumptastic…

  38. 38.

    raven

    March 1, 2016 at 7:28 pm

    @PsiFighter37: Like there was some question.

  39. 39.

    Smiling Mortician

    March 1, 2016 at 7:28 pm

    @PsiFighter37: Of course he asked for money. I haven’t actually given him any, but still he emails me all the time. Hillary doesn’t. Well, once in a while, but I get more emails from Obama and Biden than from Hillary. Well, and DWS, who can bite me. I like emails from Al Franken, though. They’re well written — pretty sure he writes them himself.

    This has been another episode of Judging Emails From Politicians.

  40. 40.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    March 1, 2016 at 7:28 pm

    @PsiFighter37: but but but Peter Beinart said we should vote for Marco! Because MODERATION!

    Good god, I saw some twitter buzz about Petey. He was trying to tell Dems in open primaries to save the GOP from Trump? The brain that endorsed the Iraq War is still in there, even after all the apologies.

  41. 41.

    eemom

    March 1, 2016 at 7:29 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder:

    I’m not sure I wouldn’t rather endure 4 years of Cruz than see my homeland humiliated at home and abroad by Trump.

    Well, you know that old firebagger trope about letting the republican win because if everything goes to hell big time that will FINALLY make people wake the fuck up and bring on the revolution? Seems to me there might be a grain of truth to that in the case of Trump. And frankly I find that prospect more appealing than another 4-8 years of the country being ACCEPTABLY fucked over by Cruz or Rubio.

  42. 42.

    Michael Bersin

    March 1, 2016 at 7:29 pm

    Great moments in crossover voting: Missouri presidential primary in 2012. Voters in Missouri do not register by party. You go to the polling place and request a party ballot (you can’t pick and choose party from contest to contest). Santorum! in all 114 counties. It was a beauty contest, the republican delegates were allocated later – the final allocation bearing no resemblance whatsoever to the actual vote.

  43. 43.

    p.a.

    March 1, 2016 at 7:30 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: VERY interested who her VP pick will be. Very important.

  44. 44.

    The Dangerman

    March 1, 2016 at 7:30 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder:

    They’re all old. HRC had one stroke. That’s too much risk.

    Even if Clinton had to step aside for health reasons and be replaced, whomever the Dems DID run would beat Trump.

    About the only way Trump could win is major terrorist attack and/or a 2008 style financial meltdown. Actually, the former might not do it; the latter, well that would sink the Democrats chances.

  45. 45.

    Kay

    March 1, 2016 at 7:30 pm

    God almighty but he’s an asshole:

    Six New Jersey newspapers issued a joint editorial Tuesday calling on Gov. Chris Christie to resign in the wake of his failed presidential campaign and his subsequent endorsement of rival Donald Trump.
    The six newspapers including the Asbury Park Press, the Cherry Hill Courier-Post and the Morristown Daily Record — all Gannett-owned papers that are part of the USA TODAY NETWORK — were apparently spurred to editorial outrage by a Monday press conference in which Christie refused to answer questions about anything other than his nomination of a state Supreme Court judge. Asked why, Christie replied, “Because I don’t want to.”

    Political pundits are terrible judges of character. They always, always fall in love with horrible people.

  46. 46.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    March 1, 2016 at 7:32 pm

    Sanders giving speech.

    People on the west coast are still at work so they won’t see it.

    Malpractice.

  47. 47.

    ruemara

    March 1, 2016 at 7:32 pm

    I hate to say it, but I’m also growing sick of whining white males (apologies to those here, but bear with me) with a microphone just demonstrating the most pants pissing, roll over and die already, resignation to Trump as Il Douche Americanus.

    Jesus, I had to mute JC over that. It’s like there’s already been a nationwide election and with an implicit view that Sanders’ fresh newness was the only thing that could have saved us, now here’s the Apocalypse. Lord, grab your balls and stow them! Shit, black people have been firebombed, l y n ched etc. If we gave in to this view, we’d all still be drinking from the crap fountain.

    How can so many be ready to give up at the fricking start? I seriously feel the constant depressed and unhappy language that liberals seem to steep in is why they can’t get their shit together midterms. It’ s the first time when I’ve felt the prez election sounded like the mid term coverage. YMMV.

  48. 48.

    Timurid

    March 1, 2016 at 7:33 pm

    The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire
    Don’t need no water, let the motherfucker burn
    BURN, MOTHERFUCKER, BURN

  49. 49.

    Anya

    March 1, 2016 at 7:34 pm

    @PsiFighter37: I don’t know if you watched Community but there was an episode called: “Aerodynamics of Gender”. The secondary storyline was about Jeff and Troy stumbling upon a Zen state inducing trampoline behind their college. At the end when the trampoline was discovered and their Zen state was ruined by Pierce they realized that the seemingly zen groundskeeper Joshua, the keeper of the trampoline is actually racist. To make a long story short, Rubio reminds me of Joshua. The MSM, republicans and even democrats hear his words but somehow they hear something benign & safe. I don’t know why since he espouces the same destructive policy stands as the rest of the republicans but he delivers it in a smarmy, light weight college republican face. I just hope the voters realize he’s excatly saying the same thing and holds the same stands as Trump and Cruz.

  50. 50.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 1, 2016 at 7:35 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: She did not have a stroke. She had a blood clot/cerebral venous thrombosis in 2012:
    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/hillary-clinton-blood-clot-life-threatening-medical-experts/story?id=18101213

    Had it not been caught early and treated it could have led to a stroke.

    What’s happened is that since then it has led to a cottage industry of sites from Breitbart to FoxNews to Quora to American Thinker to NY Post to The Washington Times claiming she had a stroke. Amazingly enough these are all from 2014 and later – once this Presidential election cycle started up.

  51. 51.

    PsiFighter37

    March 1, 2016 at 7:36 pm

    I don’t usually watch Bernie’s speeches, but damn he sounds worn out. His speech is just word association…it’s more rational but it is absolutely not organized at all.

  52. 52.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    March 1, 2016 at 7:36 pm

    This morning’s Washington Post (Most Read Stories)

    1. In 1927, Donald Trump’s father was arrested after a Klan riot in Queens

    2. Chris Christie is now ruined

    3. For first time in 10 years, Justice Clarence Thomas asks questions during an argument

    4. If the Oscars were all about diversity, why the crude Asian joke?

    5. These new Trump poll numbers should absolutely terrify Republicans

    Trump is inside their base killing their dudes

  53. 53.

    Anya

    March 1, 2016 at 7:37 pm

    Why can’t Bernie Sanders ever talk about voter suppression laws. That’s the most basic of citizen rights and the one way that helps regular people take control of the political process.

  54. 54.

    O. Felix Culpa

    March 1, 2016 at 7:38 pm

    @ruemara: Maybe privilege saps grit.

  55. 55.

    joes527

    March 1, 2016 at 7:38 pm

    Just remember. The same people assuring you that Trump can’t possibly win the general 6 months ago were assuring you that Trump couldn’t possibly win the nomination.

    Fooled me once, shame on you.
    Fool me… You can’t get fooled again!

  56. 56.

    dmsilev

    March 1, 2016 at 7:39 pm

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: Isn’t it a little early in the evening for a speech? Usually, don’t candidates wait until most of the polls have closed?

  57. 57.

    Cacti

    March 1, 2016 at 7:39 pm

    @Anya:

    Because millionayuhs and billionayuhs.

  58. 58.

    JMG

    March 1, 2016 at 7:39 pm

    With one hour to go until the polls closed, Hillary for America called my house (three Dem voters in it). I didn’t pick up, as we were eating dinner. But let the record show that’s Clinton campaign four contacts — Sanders campaign zero.
    I don’t get as mad as this site’s founder except at inanimate objects. But I did just about lose it the other day when I saw some worthy lefty site bitch that the media didn’t cover MARCHES for Sanders. Marches? Why weren’t those people out doing real campaign work? Marches aren’t for campaigns for office.

  59. 59.

    raven

    March 1, 2016 at 7:40 pm

    @dmsilev: It’s his home and the only one he’s going to win tonight.

  60. 60.

    JCJ

    March 1, 2016 at 7:41 pm

    @another_dave: I haven’t received any calls from Republicans since I told a caller in 2012 that he was a fucking idiot. He asked if I was a Democrat and I replied that I was way to smart to ever vote for a Republican

  61. 61.

    dmsilev

    March 1, 2016 at 7:41 pm

    @raven: If VT is his only victory tonight, his campaign is for all intents and purposes over.

  62. 62.

    Mike J

    March 1, 2016 at 7:41 pm

    @ruemara:

    How can so many be ready to give up at the fricking start?

    Easy. They don’t want to win if it’s not they way they wanted.

  63. 63.

    Bob In Portland

    March 1, 2016 at 7:42 pm

    @Anya: He has. When he was in Texas he said that if you’re a politician and you pass laws to keep people from voting then you shouldn’t be a politician. And since his stump speech doesn’t change much from day to day, he probably said it in a lot of other places.

  64. 64.

    Timurid

    March 1, 2016 at 7:42 pm

    @ruemara:

    Earlier today I read a long political thread on what is normally a non-politics site (they keep the political comments segregated in one place). 600+ posts worth of middle-aged white men ranting about the current state of affairs and their lot in life. We’re not even talking about the crazies from freerepublic or ar15.com or somesuch. These are mostly professional types from the East Coast. And when I was done reading it all I wanted to disinfect myself with bleach…

    White people are fucking SCARY.

  65. 65.

    Arm The Homeless

    March 1, 2016 at 7:43 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:
    @p.a.:

    Im of the same mind as p.a. here, Debbie Downer has to take one for the team, bow out, and the DNC/OFA need to get down to mapping out ground games for midterms and beyond. But a concerted effort to blanket congress with voting reform, while laying ground work for a Constitutional Ammendment that is the cornerstone of Sec. Clinton’s reelection campaign.

    Enlist Bernie to shepherd it through congress and Reddit. Make it yuuuuuuge

  66. 66.

    SiubhanDuinne

    March 1, 2016 at 7:43 pm

    Would somebody who understands statistics and probability theory better than I do (which would include my philodendron and the floor mats in my car) please explain: How is it possible to give a definitive projection (Clinton wins GA, Trump wins VA) when only 1% of the returns have been counted (or 1% of precincts have reported, not sure which). I realize they do a lot of exit polling, but these are actual votes, and I just can’t figure out how it’s possible to know the outcome so decisively.

  67. 67.

    TheBuhJaysus

    March 1, 2016 at 7:43 pm

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:

    “Trump is inside their base killing their dudes”

    This just sounds so funny!

    Schadendrumpf

  68. 68.

    cokane

    March 1, 2016 at 7:44 pm

    If Sanders losses MA tonight, I think he needs to drop out. A good run and brought some important issues to the fore, but Hillary has a big lead.

  69. 69.

    WaterGirl

    March 1, 2016 at 7:44 pm

    @PsiFighter37: Maybe he’ll use the money for real progressive candidates down ticket? or voter registration?

  70. 70.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    March 1, 2016 at 7:44 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Thanks for the correction. My stepmother is in the hospital recovering from a stroke caused by a cerebral clot, so I associated the two.

  71. 71.

    Bob In Portland

    March 1, 2016 at 7:45 pm

    @ruemara: The media wants you to give up. Expect the same depressing story until March 15.

  72. 72.

    Mary G

    March 1, 2016 at 7:45 pm

    I know nothing about Bernie’s wife, but I get such good vibes from her. She looks like the anti-Ann Romney.

  73. 73.

    Ben Cisco (onboard the Defiant)

    March 1, 2016 at 7:45 pm

    @ruemara: HELL YEAH!

  74. 74.

    PsiFighter37

    March 1, 2016 at 7:45 pm

    @WaterGirl: Ha! The dude hasn’t organized for anyone since he’s been in Congress. Fat chance of that happening.

  75. 75.

    debbie

    March 1, 2016 at 7:46 pm

    I thought about crossing over and voting for Trump, but I decided it was more important to vote for Ted Strickland’s opponent, PG Sittenfeld, for the Senate (Ohio). Ted’s a schmuck.

  76. 76.

    Bob In Portland

    March 1, 2016 at 7:46 pm

    @Smiling Mortician: You really shouldn’t feel too bad. After all, you can open up a payday loan place and make lots.

  77. 77.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 1, 2016 at 7:46 pm

    @Arm The Homeless: She’s horrible. Unless she’s doing something in committee no one’s ever heard about, and since there’s no more earmarks she’s clearly not bringing home money to her district, I have absolutely no idea why she’s in office. Its a reliable Democratic district, they should run someone who actually wants to be effective.

  78. 78.

    gogol's wife

    March 1, 2016 at 7:47 pm

    @eemom:

    Right.

  79. 79.

    kc

    March 1, 2016 at 7:48 pm

    Look at this video of Bernie snapping irritably at an AA voter, smdh.

  80. 80.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 1, 2016 at 7:48 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: They’re doing it with a multiplication factor that includes the exit polling, trends, etc. Each one is a proprietary model, so I can’t actually explain what they’re really doing, but in general, this is it. It usually works until it doesn’t work.

  81. 81.

    raven

    March 1, 2016 at 7:48 pm

    @dmsilev: yup

  82. 82.

    gogol's wife

    March 1, 2016 at 7:48 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder:

    I do!!!!

  83. 83.

    The Sheriff Endorses Baud 2016

    March 1, 2016 at 7:48 pm

    @ruemara: When you’re surrounded by scared white people, all you know is scared white people. Epistemic closure is a helluva drug.

    @joes527: We vastly overestimated iJeb!, Tailgunner Ted, and the Rubio-bot. The Clintons and Obama we don’t have to overestimate, we’ve seen time and time again how on-game they are.

  84. 84.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 1, 2016 at 7:49 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: No worries. And good thoughts for your Mom’s speedy and full recovery! My Mom’s an SLP and former rehab director. So if you’ve got questions, let me know and we can connect offline and I can take them right to the source!

  85. 85.

    Iowa Old Lady

    March 1, 2016 at 7:49 pm

    @cokane: I heard his speech which was about his victory in Vermont. He was promising his followers he’d stay in until the end.

  86. 86.

    Anya

    March 1, 2016 at 7:50 pm

    @Bob In Portland: I’ve listened to several of them and I only hear him talk about campaign reform, income inequality and sometimes criminal justice reform. All very important issues, but those issues won’t go anywhere because the wrong people are elected due to voter suppression.

  87. 87.

    gogol's wife

    March 1, 2016 at 7:50 pm

    @The Sheriff Endorses Baud 2016:

    My husband keeps saying calmly and slowly, Clinton will win.

    He did this for me in 2008 and 2012 and it worked well. We’ll see.

    ETA: Substituting “Obama”

  88. 88.

    WarMunchkin

    March 1, 2016 at 7:51 pm

    @Anya: Sick reference.

  89. 89.

    O. Felix Culpa

    March 1, 2016 at 7:52 pm

    Shocker: Der Donald takes Georgia.

    ETA: Never mind. It was already called up at #7. Backs slowly away from the keyboard.

  90. 90.

    gogol's wife

    March 1, 2016 at 7:52 pm

    @joes527:

    I never said he wouldn’t get the nomination. I really thought he’d get bored and drop out by now.

  91. 91.

    Cacti

    March 1, 2016 at 7:53 pm

    Clinton wins the American Samoa Democratic caucus per ABC.

  92. 92.

    Hungry Joe

    March 1, 2016 at 7:55 pm

    Maybe a week or ten days ago Kristol said that that NO WAY was Trump going to get the nomination.

    That makes him a lock. Game over.

    Kristol has a gift. If he says buy wheat, I’m all-in for barley.

  93. 93.

    SiubhanDuinne

    March 1, 2016 at 7:57 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Thanks, Adam. It just seems perplexing, because in the past I’ve seen other races in which some huge number/percentage of ballots have been counted, the actual count looks pretty lopsided, and yet the anchors say “too close to call.”

    I guess they must know what they’re doing. I suppose. But I find it very odd.

  94. 94.

    raven

    March 1, 2016 at 7:57 pm

    Tweety has some Cruze asshole on with him and the crowd booed lustily when the dude started with that “we can’t take 4 more years of this disaster” bullshit!

  95. 95.

    Arm The Homeless

    March 1, 2016 at 7:58 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: She’s part of HRC and Schumer’s inner circle, she’s got suction, y’know.

    My only real fear following a GOP crack up is all the lifeboats full of “moderate republicans” that wash ashore, aggravating the liberal locals. What if the purity ponies decide they really do want a liberal Teaparty.

  96. 96.

    Smiling Mortician

    March 1, 2016 at 7:59 pm

    @Bob In Portland: Hi, Bob. Fuck off.

  97. 97.

    scav

    March 1, 2016 at 7:59 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Stats won’t explain much. Networks (etc) are calling based on projections, in their single great need to be first with the “news”. See also Dewey Beats Truman. Official agencies just get on with their realities.

  98. 98.

    Timurid

    March 1, 2016 at 8:00 pm

    @Smiling Mortician:

    No Russians running in any of these primaries, so Bob can take the night off…

  99. 99.

    LAC

    March 1, 2016 at 8:01 pm

    @ruemara: girl, you and me both. Add the lecture about how we don’t know shit and blah blah I am burnt out on it. One idiot on Washington monthly was whining that discussing black turnout for Clinton was not fair because waaaaaaaa the white guy hipster vote is being ignored. I keep forgetting that voting restrictions were to prevent dudes with man buns from getting to the polls. Being ignored for five minutes is soooooo oppressive!

  100. 100.

    JCJ

    March 1, 2016 at 8:01 pm

    @Cacti: Oh no! Baud said that was his firewall!

  101. 101.

    Technocrat

    March 1, 2016 at 8:01 pm

    Massachusetts too “early” to call. Not too close.

  102. 102.

    Cacti

    March 1, 2016 at 8:03 pm

    Alabama and Tennessee called for Clinton.

  103. 103.

    PsiFighter37

    March 1, 2016 at 8:03 pm

    Trump bags Alabama, Tennessee, and Massholes. Clinton takes AL and TN.

    Interesting to see that Cruz is ahead (barely) in Oklahoma, at least based on exit polling – probably bodes well for him in Texas.

    On the Democratic side, seems like Bernie might sneak out with OK and MA, although given the margin – seems like it’ll probably be a delegate tie.

  104. 104.

    Smiling Mortician

    March 1, 2016 at 8:03 pm

    @Timurid: That would be lovely for all concerned.

  105. 105.

    Elie

    March 1, 2016 at 8:03 pm

    @Mary G:

    Yeah, but I am gonna risk perdition here and say she could dress up a little more. I admit to being a bit of a style maven so please ignore if you aren’t. Not saying she has to be Jackie Kennedy, but she can tighten up a bit… get her hair trimmed and put on something a little flattering. Yes, I know —very superficial — but as a potential First Lady she needs to look like she has a little sense of the importance of her role and that she represents more than herself.

  106. 106.

    Ohio Mom

    March 1, 2016 at 8:03 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: it wasn’t a stroke, it was some kind of bleed that is different. Wish I could remember the details — very hard to goggle because what comes up are crazy right wing sites claiming not only has Hillary suffered brain damage from a stroke she has MS too.

  107. 107.

    raven

    March 1, 2016 at 8:03 pm

    @Technocrat: Yea, they’ve been doing that.

    eta And they changed it in Vermont!

  108. 108.

    Eric S.

    March 1, 2016 at 8:03 pm

    @PsiFighter37: While I find myself closer to Bernie on issues than Hillary his history of bit helping other candidates is one of the issues pushing me to Hillary.

  109. 109.

    PsiFighter37

    March 1, 2016 at 8:04 pm

    Off to work out! I shall return around 9 PM to see the ensuing insanity.

  110. 110.

    wenchacha

    March 1, 2016 at 8:04 pm

    I saw in the Boston Herald a headline that thousands of Mass Dems left the party to register Independent in order to vote for Trump. I’m sure Trump has plenty of Masshole fans. I’m hoping it isn’t a large portion of Mass Dems. Why any blue collar worker would support a jerk like Trump is not something that makes sense to me.

  111. 111.

    Elie

    March 1, 2016 at 8:05 pm

    @LAC:

    LOL! Right on

  112. 112.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 1, 2016 at 8:06 pm

    @Ohio Mom: See my comment #50.

  113. 113.

    Ohio Mom

    March 1, 2016 at 8:07 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: should have read all the he comments first.

  114. 114.

    Elie

    March 1, 2016 at 8:09 pm

    @Ohio Mom:

    She had some cerebral blood clot — always a risk for people who travel a lot by air and across time zones, and may not hydrate enough. That lady can haul a wagon if you look at her campaigning this primary season. She KNOWS better than any of the candidates running what the job involves.

  115. 115.

    PurpleGirl

    March 1, 2016 at 8:09 pm

    @PsiFighter37: The jobs of our corporatist media depend on it. They dutifully produce what their massas want.

  116. 116.

    Calouste

    March 1, 2016 at 8:10 pm

    @wenchacha: as commenter Davis X. Machina phrased it:

    The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of who will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn’t even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it.

  117. 117.

    debbie

    March 1, 2016 at 8:11 pm

    @Ohio Mom:

    Remember when the RWNJs insisted the wrought iron chair Hillary posed behind for a picture was really a walker? Even Karl Rove brought that up on national tv.

    ETA: I believe it was this photo for People Magazine:

    http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/19e6102703f4cfab5655abef3ffd2edc7eaea55d/c=0-0-604-802&r=537&c=0-0-534-712/local/-/media/USATODAY/GenericImages/2014/06/05//1401988977000-Screen-Shot-2014-06-05-at-12206-PM.jpg

  118. 118.

    Elie

    March 1, 2016 at 8:12 pm

    @Elie:

    She may be on one of those fancy new blood thinners permanently… Not that unusual….

    Of interest, Frank Bruni speculated last week in the Times whether Trump has sleep deprivation based personality/mood/cognitive problems. He cited some statements Trump made about not getting (or needing?) much sleep. Now think about those little fingers near those nukes after a bad night…

  119. 119.

    Chip Daniels

    March 1, 2016 at 8:13 pm

    Dunno if others mentioned it, but I read that article in the Daily Beast about the Breitbart Trump mob that apparently doxxes, harasses, and generally fucks with people they declare to be Enemies Of Trump.

    Including one Erick Erickson of RedState.

    Maybe this makes me a bad person, but I giggled thinking of what shit THEIR Strikeforce mails to his house.

  120. 120.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    March 1, 2016 at 8:14 pm

    @Cacti: Poor Baud!

  121. 121.

    Elie

    March 1, 2016 at 8:15 pm

    @Calouste:

    THIS. Forever… (sadly)

  122. 122.

    Ruckus

    March 1, 2016 at 8:15 pm

    @eemom:
    Yes.
    They broke it, they get to pay for it.

    Of course it’s possible that in their breaking it we all will have to pay for it and in many ways we already are.

  123. 123.

    Docg

    March 1, 2016 at 8:16 pm

    I love that Trump has turned the Republican establishment into Gitmo. They can’t get out, they can’t go home and they are subjected to Trump’s “enhanced interrogation” daily.

  124. 124.

    Elie

    March 1, 2016 at 8:17 pm

    @Docg:

    Love this….

  125. 125.

    Ohio Mom

    March 1, 2016 at 8:21 pm

    @debbie: Yeah, that was silly, didn’t look anything like a walker and her posture didn’t fit their crackpot theory either.

    I’m glad Adam had the correct details at the ready, now lots more of us can counteract that rumor about Hillary’a health.

  126. 126.

    Ruckus

    March 1, 2016 at 8:25 pm

    At the VA most of the day and sitting, and waiting my turn I had to listen to 3 or 4 guys discuss politics. One was at least not batshit but one made up for that. And he was the youngest of the group. It made me think of asking the staff if they could change the TV to Faux rather than CNN, just for a higher level of reality.

  127. 127.

    RaflW

    March 1, 2016 at 8:28 pm

    Bill Kristol is too stupid and/or arrogant to realize he is being rolled. He is to unreflective to understand how he contributed to the Trumping of the GOP.
    And most conservative fellow pundits share those traits.

  128. 128.

    Redshift

    March 1, 2016 at 8:29 pm

    @JMG: There’s something that occurred to me while working at the polls today. I remembered why campaign professionals hate yard signs – because they make supporters feel like they’ve “done something,” and then they’re less likely to do something more useful.

    It got me to wondering – does social media have this effect, only worse? That could be part of why Bernie’s supporters feel like they should be getting bigger results than they are. They are having big rallies, and talking to lots of like-minded people online, so surely that adds up to a lot of voters, right?

    If so, it’s a trap that future campaigns will need to be wary of.

  129. 129.

    beltane

    March 1, 2016 at 8:29 pm

    It looks like Trump wins VT after all. Not really a big surprise.

  130. 130.

    geg6

    March 1, 2016 at 8:33 pm

    @eemom:

    Agree with every word.

  131. 131.

    Mary G

    March 1, 2016 at 8:37 pm

    Looks like Republican turnout in Texas is through the roof while Dems are not so much. The R’s ran out of ballots and had to print more. The Dallas Morning News has a picture of white people waiting in line. Serves them right.

  132. 132.

    geg6

    March 1, 2016 at 8:43 pm

    @JMG:

    They had a march for Sanders in Pittsburgh over the weekend. I was all like, a march? WTF, isn’t GOTV what you should be doing? I’m pretty sure there were paper mache puppets in the background of the footage. Just pitiful. Campaign malpractice.

  133. 133.

    gwangung

    March 1, 2016 at 8:47 pm

    @Redshift: it’s a trap Obama was certainly aware of.

  134. 134.

    alan

    March 1, 2016 at 8:47 pm

    @wenchacha: At the end of the story was more people than that leaving the GOP. So there may be some little hope.

  135. 135.

    RaflW

    March 1, 2016 at 8:48 pm

    @geg6: It’s why I hate all the e-petitions, too. People think they matter, but they are (as far as I can tell) just tools to tell the senders what you care about… and really, mostly to get you to the Donate landing page after. But people feel like they ‘told their Senator’ or whatever. You did not.

  136. 136.

    different-church-lady

    March 1, 2016 at 8:49 pm

    @geg6: The Velvet Papier-Mâché Revolution.

  137. 137.

    Redshift

    March 1, 2016 at 8:50 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: It also is related to where the returns have come in from. Different candidates, based on polling, are expected to have more support in urban/suburban/rural areas, or different parts of a state. So the same percentage of the vote and same margin can be “too close to call” or decisive depending on which precincts have reported.

  138. 138.

    raven

    March 1, 2016 at 8:52 pm

    Jesus, I voted for her but I don’t think I can listen to her!

  139. 139.

    different-church-lady

    March 1, 2016 at 8:52 pm

    @Redshift: I’ve noticed for years now that the hard core on-line “progressives” have this entrenched belief that the entire country wants and agrees with liberal policies, but it’s just these corrupt status-quo politicians that keep us from liberal Utopia.

  140. 140.

    Robert Sneddon

    March 1, 2016 at 8:54 pm

    @Redshift: I recall that in 2004 before the election, Senator Kerry had a YUUUUGE rally in Washington. In the end the election was close enough that winning one state by a narrow margin gave GW Bush an Electoral College majority and the Oval Office for a second term.

  141. 141.

    cokane

    March 1, 2016 at 8:58 pm

    @scav: Your example of projections being wrong is more than 60 years old. Should tell you something no? If we had to wait for the state election authority’s official result, we’d be waiting weeks. The Associated Press is the main organization that “calls” races, and they’ve been doing a solid job.

  142. 142.

    cokane

    March 1, 2016 at 9:00 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: Nah, they all say this. Jeb said the same shit after Iowa. Santorum said so last cycle as well. Campaigning is not fun, and it’s really really rare that any challenger stays in thru all 50 states.

  143. 143.

    jharp

    March 1, 2016 at 9:04 pm

    “If I lived in a state with an open primary, I would vote in the Republican primary for Trump”

    I do. And I will.

  144. 144.

    raven

    March 1, 2016 at 9:14 pm

    Bernie won OK.

  145. 145.

    NotoriousJRT

    March 1, 2016 at 9:19 pm

    @PsiFighter37:
    Peter Beinart is a prize-wining tool. Who cares what he thinks? His credibility is well below zero. His influence among those able to think critically is lower than his credibility.

  146. 146.

    NotoriousJRT

    March 1, 2016 at 9:21 pm

    @Ohio Mom:
    We need to VOTE in November.

  147. 147.

    No One You Know

    March 1, 2016 at 11:08 pm

    @RaflW: You did, if they quote you in a press conference.

    What most people don’t do, I suspect, is put the same thought, courtesy, and care into the “optional” personalized free text form that they would into a formal letter.

    I don’t think it works to copy and paste boilerplate.

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