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You are here: Home / Civil Rights / LGBTQ Rights / Gay Rights are Human Rights / Maybe Just Repeal the Damned Bill, Jackass

Maybe Just Repeal the Damned Bill, Jackass

by John Cole|  April 12, 20165:08 pm| 109 Comments

This post is in: Gay Rights are Human Rights, Religious Nuts 2

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Today, Deutsches Bank became the latest to tell the bigoted shitheel Tarheel state to piss off:

Deutsche Bank (DBKGn.DE) is freezing plans to create 250 new jobs in North Carolina after the state enacted a law last month that opponents say discriminates against lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender citizens.

The announcement on Tuesday by Germany’s largest lender follows other corporate protests of the law, one of a number of measures pitting LGBT equality rights against religious freedoms in state legislatures across the United States.

The North Carolina law prohibits anti-discrimination protections based on sexual orientation and gender identity. It also bars transgender people from using bathrooms or locker rooms in schools and other public facilities that do not match the sex on their birth certificate.

“We take our commitment to building inclusive work environments seriously,” Deutsche Bank co-Chief Executive Officer John Cryan said in a statement.

This led to another flop sweat filled maneuver from the NC governor:

What he signed, however does nothing, really:

In fact, the executive order mostly seems to reiterate what the law already allows. Under the law, it’s already legal for private employers to set their own bathroom and locker room policies, and local governments and private employers can already set up their own nondiscrimination policies for their own employees. There was zero doubt about this prior to the executive order.

So these are not the problems with the law. Again, the actual criticisms are about the anti-trans bathroom law for schools and government buildings and the ban on cities and counties passing nondiscrimination laws for LGBTQ people. If anything, the executive order doubles down on the former.

As the American Civil Liberties Union put it, the executive order “is a band-aid on a brain hemorrhage.”

I read piece the other day on the anniversary of Sherman’s March about how Sherman was basically the only one to understand what these backwoods racist redneck peckerwoods were all about, and that he was going to give them what they wanted because it was the only damned thing they understood:

“The only way the people of Atlanta can hope once more to live in peace and quiet at home, is to stop the war, which can only be done by admitting that it began in error and is perpetuated in pride.

“You have heretofore read public sentiment in your newspapers, that live by falsehood and excitement; and the quicker you seek for truth in other quarters, the better. I repeat then that, by the original compact of government, the United States had certain rights in Georgia, which have never been relinquished and never will be; that the South began the war by seizing forts, arsenals, mints, custom-houses, etc., etc., long before Mr. Lincoln was installed, and before the South had one jot or tittle of provocation. I myself have seen in Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, and Mississippi, hundreds and thousands of women and children fleeing from your armies and desperadoes, hungry and with bleeding feet…But these comparisons are idle. I want peace, and believe it can only be reached through union and war, and I will ever conduct war with a view to perfect an early success.” Seems clear enough, right? “I just took your city, and out-thought as well as out-fought your generals and troops (and by the way, just to lay another fond Southern myth to rest, the Confederate troops who faced Sherman’s army were inferior, not just in numbers or equipment, but man-for-man, one-on-one, as they showed in dozens of battles)—so are you going to wake up and stop whistling Dixie, you loons?”

It’s war they want, it’s war they will get. They haven’t changed at all- the neo-confederate religious bigots are just as entrenched in their own idiocy as they were 150 years ago. The only things that have changed is their memory of their last humiliation has faded and now it is a new minority class that is the subject of their anger.

I hope this will shake some sense into the bigot caucus in West Virginia, but I don’t have my hopes up.

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  1. 1.

    Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA

    April 12, 2016 at 5:15 pm

    their memory of their last humiliation has faded

    Not sure it faded so much as they’re in denial about it.

  2. 2.

    Cermet

    April 12, 2016 at 5:18 pm

    Sherman had the right idea when he said that the North needed to remove the populations in the south and repopulate with Northerners … if only.

  3. 3.

    jl

    April 12, 2016 at 5:18 pm

    This is the thing where you supposedly might have to show your birth certificate to take a piss, or you go directly to jail and do not pass Go?
    They deserve to be slammed for it, it’s pure nonsense and hate.

    My understanding is that in California, you need to take a piss, you can take a piss no matter what the sign is on the door.
    CA lawyers correct me if I am wrong about that. I don’t plan to ever use that option in a women’s room, since never a long line for the men (and when are they going to fix that BS for ladies, anyway?).

  4. 4.

    NobodySpecial

    April 12, 2016 at 5:19 pm

    Watch: They’ll make a big show out of repealing the bathroom part and leaving the rest of the bill untouched.- specifically, the discrimination claim narrowing and the overrule of minimum wage laws by SC cities. The Ratchet Effect in full display.

  5. 5.

    Nate Combs

    April 12, 2016 at 5:21 pm

    My favorite quote to come out of the Civil War is from Grant’s Memoirs, about the surrender at Appomattox:

    “I felt like anything rather than rejoicing at the downfall of a foe who had fought so long and valiantly, and had suffered so much for a cause, though that cause was, I believe, one of the worst for which a people ever fought, and one for which there was the least excuse.”

  6. 6.

    piratedan

    April 12, 2016 at 5:21 pm

    only the cause was lost, not its motivation it seems.

  7. 7.

    NotMax

    April 12, 2016 at 5:22 pm

    Clearly this post discriminates against bigots.

    (I keed, I keed.)

  8. 8.

    rikyrah

    April 12, 2016 at 5:22 pm

    Sherman burned that shyt TO THE GROUND!!!

    They really think that people are playing with him….like folks don’t see around his bullshyt.

    PHUCK.OUTTA,HERE.

  9. 9.

    Keith G

    April 12, 2016 at 5:22 pm

    There are certain areas around the country which are hanging on to the last vestiges of Pat Buchanan’s culture war. Not unlike Michael in the movie Halloween, everytime we think they are down for the count they somehow pop up and have another go-round at being stupidly evil. The good news is that not only are their numbers noticeably diminished, but there are just so many more forces ready to confront them when they do act out.

  10. 10.

    Calouste

    April 12, 2016 at 5:24 pm

    IMO there are two things that should have happened after the Traitorous War in Defense of Slavery, but didn’t:

    1) Every single member of the CSA government (cabinet and congress), as well as all officers above a certain rank that previously served in the US army, should have been imprisoned for life fro treason. (Although standards of the time would probably have meant they would have been executed). Instead half of the CSA government got elected to the US Congress later.
    2) All the CSA states should have been disbanded and new states created in the existing territory, with different borders and initial constitutions mandated by the federal government.

  11. 11.

    scav

    April 12, 2016 at 5:24 pm

    I liked the weasel backtrack detail one of the Dems brought up: Oh! No! Christians might not be able to sue in cases of discrimination! Horrors! I regret voting for that! (also TPM)

  12. 12.

    rikyrah

    April 12, 2016 at 5:25 pm

    Washington Post ✔ ‎@washingtonpost
    Obama to forgive the student debt of permanently disabled people.

  13. 13.

    Thoroughly Pizzled

    April 12, 2016 at 5:31 pm

    @rikyrah: He should have burned it all to the ground. But the only state where Sherman went out of his way to cause destruction was South Carolina.

  14. 14.

    JPL

    April 12, 2016 at 5:32 pm

    Fulton County votes democratic in national elections, although my neck of the woods that Sherman did not burn down, except for the mill, votes republican.

  15. 15.

    raven

    April 12, 2016 at 5:33 pm

    @JPL: Whining about what SHOULD have happened 151 years ago is just so much bullshit.

  16. 16.

    NotMax

    April 12, 2016 at 5:34 pm

    @Calouste

    The second suggestion is the equivalent of moving around the deck chairs on the Merrimack.

    (Yes, I know it was rechristened the Virginia, but Merrimack is the more widely known name.)

    Also unconstitutional, as the creation of new states from existing ones has specific requirements.

    As to the first point, Lincoln was very, very clear and emphatic that was not to be his intended policy.

  17. 17.

    Germy

    April 12, 2016 at 5:35 pm

    Meanwhile…

    And here’s another example of hypocrisy from your border state Republican Party. This Representative is a co-sponsor of anti-LGBT “bathroom bill” legislation, naturally.

    Tennessee Republican Representative Jeremy Durham’s office has been removed from the state house to a building across the street because his pattern of behavior towards women co-workers indicates he may be creating a hostile work environment, including inappropriate texts and attempting to “involve alcohol in his interaction with women.”.

    http://crooksandliars.com/2016/04/gop-anti-trans-rep-cant-stop-harassing

  18. 18.

    Adam L Silverman

    April 12, 2016 at 5:42 pm

    @Calouste: @NotMax: The issue is always the conterfactual: “what would have happened had Lincoln lived to actually implement his policy and strategy for after the war ended?” The Reconstruction that we got was certainly not what Lincoln had envisioned.

    There has always been a constituency for, and it has led to flare ups every so often, the argument that the Union isn’t really the Union. That each state is completely sovereign and all that exists is a trade and self defense pact. And that within the states each citizen is completely sovereign and to be lightly touched, if touched at all, by the state. And the states may deem who to include and exclude. During the actual Great Rebellion, know doing business as the Civil War, South Carolina actually had the nerve to send a delegation to meet with Jefferson Davis and inform him that South Carolina had decided they wanted to leave the Confederacy as well. There is no way to reconcile that set of beliefs and understandings to a social contract, Constitutional modern democratic republic that spans a continent, encompasses several hundred million citizens, legal resident aliens, and short and long term visitors in the 21st Century.

  19. 19.

    guachi

    April 12, 2016 at 5:43 pm

    I live in Augusta, GA (it’s a shitthole) on the border with South Carolina. My wife and I enjoy going to Biltmore in Asheville, NC about 3 hours north. It’s like a place for upper-middle class white people to go. Lots of women wearing jeans tucked into boots.

    The grounds of the Mansion and the town are both really nice, especially in Spring. However, we aren’t going as long as this bill is in place.

  20. 20.

    different-church-lady

    April 12, 2016 at 5:43 pm

    Corporations are all too often awful, but I find it interesting that they’ve been on the vanguard of LGBT battles, at least as far as not putting up with outright discriminatory laws are concerned.

  21. 21.

    Gin & Tonic

    April 12, 2016 at 5:44 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: I don’t care what you say, that’s pink.

  22. 22.

    NotMax

    April 12, 2016 at 5:45 pm

    @Adam L. Silverman

    Lilac? Lilac?

  23. 23.

    guachi

    April 12, 2016 at 5:46 pm

    Also, you should just have one tag for posts – assholes. It is, or was when you could see how many posts there were by tag, by far the most popular. It’s universally applicable for every post on this site.

  24. 24.

    Cacti

    April 12, 2016 at 5:47 pm

    Uncle Billy’s terms of surrender offered to the city of Savannah:

    I have already received guns that can cast heavy and destructive shot as far as the heart of your city; also, I have for some days held and controlled every avenue by which the people and garrison of Savannah can be supplied, and I am therefore justified in demanding the surrender of the city of Savannah, and its dependent forts, and shall wait a reasonable time for your answer, before opening with heavy ordnance. Should you entertain the proposition, I am prepared to grant liberal terms to the inhabitants and garrison; but should I be forced to resort to assault, or the slower and surer process of starvation, I shall then feel justified in resorting to the harshest measures, and shall make little effort to restrain my army—burning to avenge the national wrong which they attach to Savannah and other large cities which have been so prominent in dragging our country into civil war

  25. 25.

    Gimlet

    April 12, 2016 at 5:48 pm

    OMG!! Forget the emails. Nevermind about Benghazi.

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/04/12/trump-ally-roger-stone-writing-entire-book-alleging-clintons-secretly-murdered-jfk-jr/209885

    Roger Stone is writing a book based on his conspiracy theory that the Clintons murdered John F. Kennedy Jr. Stone is an longtime ally and friend of Donald Trump, who has previously used the discredited operative’s research in attacks against the Clintons.

  26. 26.

    scav

    April 12, 2016 at 5:48 pm

    @different-church-lady: Recently, yes. I assumed that’s because they’re likely to be tracking the general population’s trends rather than the most winey of the specific party’s base voters.

  27. 27.

    Amanda in the South Bay

    April 12, 2016 at 5:48 pm

    @NotMax: it’s not unconstitutional, it’s on the fucking document. It’s well within the abilities of a more
    aggressive programme of Reconstruction.

  28. 28.

    Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.)

    April 12, 2016 at 5:49 pm

    I wonder how much longer it’ll be before the governor calls the legislature back to undo the dumbass law. I also wonder how they’ll spin it as a big win for Conservative Principles™ or some other such horseshit.

  29. 29.

    SW

    April 12, 2016 at 5:49 pm

    This is exactly right. You can’t reason with these shitheads. You have to beat them.

  30. 30.

    JPL

    April 12, 2016 at 5:50 pm

    @raven: I’m not whining.. just mentioning something. I’m glad that the older mansions are saved.

  31. 31.

    guachi

    April 12, 2016 at 5:50 pm

    @Cacti:

    And Savannah surrendered without a shot. And because of that it still has a lot of its prewar charm.

  32. 32.

    greennotGreen

    April 12, 2016 at 5:53 pm

    @jl: This is the one area in which Tennessee leads the nation. Several years ago, before our legislature was completely consumed by wingnuts, our state passed the “potty parity” law which requires that all new and newly renovated public restrooms have more stalls for women than for men. So in Tennessee at least we women don’t have to stand in line. And I, for one, am not going to be standing, sitting, or squatting in judgement of any trans women who want to join us.

    BTW, when I was bald from chemo during the winter and wearing a coat and knit cap, I was addressed as “Sir” on more than one occasion although I’m only 5’3. I’m glad no one challenged my bathroom choice!

  33. 33.

    SW

    April 12, 2016 at 5:53 pm

    @Cermet: Well, we are in the process of doing that just, and this is one of the things that is freaking the crackers out.

  34. 34.

    p.a.

    April 12, 2016 at 5:54 pm

    I’ve just finished reading The Strange Career of Jim Crow, and given this NC and Mississippi (where else!?) shit, and vote suppression etc. it does- and this is their aim- get tiresome. THEY NEVER QUIT. Whether they’re 90% of the population or 27%, they just can’t be satisfied unless they’re thumbing someone’s eye.

  35. 35.

    Zinsky

    April 12, 2016 at 5:54 pm

    My son is gay and is one of the most wonderful people you could ever meet – smart, funny, hard-working, musically gifted and just plain charming. If I had just passed a law allowing discrimination against his children, I would expect Governor McCrory to punch me in the nose and I wouldn’t blame him for doing so. Why do these right-wing assholes find it so hard to understand that gay people are human beings just like everyone else??

  36. 36.

    MattF

    April 12, 2016 at 5:55 pm

    @Gimlet: Guess I didn’t realize that Stone is so completely lacking in… just about any positive quality I can think of. Quite a guy. And clearly a favorite of Der Trump. Funny, the way fascist leaders collect a coterie of psychopaths. Actually, not so funny.

  37. 37.

    Kdaug

    April 12, 2016 at 5:55 pm

    Don’t we all know the tell? Can’t you see it?

    He touches his fingertips together. Over and over.

    It is the surest, flashing light, green-balloon sign of the self-righteous, hypocritically pious, smug nose-up-your-asshole signal that humankind has ever invented.

    Mr. Burns, anyone?

    Trolls, jackals and troglodytes, lend me your ears.

  38. 38.

    AkaDad

    April 12, 2016 at 5:57 pm

    The Color Wars begun, they have…

  39. 39.

    JPL

    April 12, 2016 at 5:57 pm

    @Zinsky: Well said.

  40. 40.

    Gex

    April 12, 2016 at 5:57 pm

    @different-church-lady: I wouldn’t say they are on the vanguard. For years the Christian Right and their protests/boycotts kept business on the fence, too afraid to speak in defense of queers despite employment policies that were supportive. It was only after a tipping point was reached that we’ve seen business get vocal about this.

    Which isn’t to say I’m ungrateful. It’s huge that business is taking this side now because they have more leverage than citizens.

  41. 41.

    Mike in NC

    April 12, 2016 at 5:58 pm

    The government of North Carolina is currently controlled by a racist homophobe by the name of Art Pope. He’s another rich prick who can buy and sell pols like McCrory at will. Google it…

  42. 42.

    brilliantatbreakfast

    April 12, 2016 at 5:59 pm

    @Cermet: Working on it. I just moved to NC in December from NJ.

  43. 43.

    D58826

    April 12, 2016 at 6:02 pm

    @jl: On occasion I had to take my wheelchair bound wife into a public bathroom. Was great in those places with a unisex bathroom but if the only choice was male/female I chose male. We tried to wait till it was unoccupied but were not always successful. She just closed her eyes till we had her set up in the handicap stall. I guess I would be arrested in NC today. Bigots will always find a target for their hate. I always thought McCory was better than that but I guess the strings are to tightly attached to his money man

  44. 44.

    raven

    April 12, 2016 at 6:03 pm

    @JPL: I did’t mean you at all.

  45. 45.

    Mike in NC

    April 12, 2016 at 6:04 pm

    @Thoroughly Pizzled: When Sherman’s troops entered South Carolina, one of his senior commanders told the men, “This is where treason began, and by God this is where it will end!”.

  46. 46.

    greennotGreen

    April 12, 2016 at 6:04 pm

    @Zinsky: Conservatives are pathologically incapable of empathy. If it doesn’t happen to them, it is either of no consequence or something so alien it must be crushed. Look at Dick Cheney. A more loathsome human being has seldom walked our Capitol halls, but he’s pretty reasonable on LGBT issues…because one of his daughters is a lesbian.

    During my hippie days we used to say that we wished all the politicians would take a hit of acid to radically change their thinking. Maybe that wasn’t such a bad ide

  47. 47.

    raven

    April 12, 2016 at 6:05 pm

    @guachi: Terminus (Atlanta) had little such charm.

  48. 48.

    Feathers

    April 12, 2016 at 6:06 pm

    @jl: You have obviously never been to a Rush concert.

    The spontaneous laughter as women rounded the corner into the vast and empty ladies room during intermission was the highlight of the evening. To be honest, the drum solos were the actual best part, but the ladies room is what has remained in memory.

    This observation also applies for Hong Kong action movie marathons.

  49. 49.

    ET

    April 12, 2016 at 6:07 pm

    The key to the whole thing and what explains why it doesn’t stop: “which can only be done by admitting that it began in error and is perpetuated in pride.”

  50. 50.

    Cermet

    April 12, 2016 at 6:10 pm

    The issue of gays and the South is interesting. A blog that specializes in the Civil War (and the writer is a Southerner that 1) says the war was 95% caused by the South’s need for slaves/slavery 2) started by the South 3) hates the flag of treason so he may be right wing but isn’t dumb.) He does a lot of research and was completely puzzled that a number of slaves followed their “masters”, who were Confederate soldiers captured in battle, into the Union POW camps. I pointed out that many where mostly likely just following their lover into the camp rather then leave them and be “free”. The guy just couldn’t accept this fact and was too offended to see that it was most likely true for many of those cases. Funny.

  51. 51.

    Tom Q

    April 12, 2016 at 6:12 pm

    @MattF: I actually knew Roger Stone Stone in high school, and I’m proud to say I thought he was a complete asshole even then.

  52. 52.

    Central Planning

    April 12, 2016 at 6:16 pm

    @NotMax: Sweet dreams, liliac! (one of my favorite movies)

  53. 53.

    raven

    April 12, 2016 at 6:20 pm

    @Cermet: It’s a new world of god’s and monsters/

  54. 54.

    Adam L Silverman

    April 12, 2016 at 6:21 pm

    @NotMax: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/batman/images/4/43/Louie_the_Lilac.png/revision/latest?cb=20120424211151

  55. 55.

    gene108

    April 12, 2016 at 6:22 pm

    @Cermet:

    Sherman had the right idea when he said that the North needed to remove the populations in the south and repopulate with Northerners … if only.

    Some of the biggest problems in NC politics have been caused by Northern transplants. I know the Wake Co. school board’s push to essentially break-up the consolidated county-wide school district was caused by transplants from NJ.

  56. 56.

    RSA

    April 12, 2016 at 6:24 pm

    These dumbasses are directly affecting the local job prospects of students I teach; Deutsche Bank has hired a number of our grads. The governor seems to be paying some attention, but who knows how it will turn out. Republicans have controlled the governorship and both legislative houses in NC since 2012, if I remember correctly, the first time that’s happened in over 100 years. They’ve been tearing up the place since.

  57. 57.

    debbie

    April 12, 2016 at 6:25 pm

    @raven:

    Almost as much bullshit as revising the reasons for secession. Some of my southern friends are beyond redemption.

  58. 58.

    lollipopguild

    April 12, 2016 at 6:25 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: its furple.

  59. 59.

    debbie

    April 12, 2016 at 6:27 pm

    @NotMax:

    It’s getting to be like a horse of a different color around here.

  60. 60.

    WereBear

    April 12, 2016 at 6:37 pm

    This excellent Love, Joy, Feminism post makes the bigots look even stupider:

    The Lie Behind the Transgender Bathroom Predator Myth

    I do believe their frontal lobes are stunted, since they cannot follow a line of thought with three maps and a floodlight.

  61. 61.

    Adam L Silverman

    April 12, 2016 at 6:43 pm

    @RSA: Whatever Art Pope wants is what will happen.

  62. 62.

    dogwood

    April 12, 2016 at 6:44 pm

    I’m glad that NC is taking shit for stuff like this, but when will businesses and sports organizations start putting the pressure on states that restrict voting? I especially don’t understand why there isn’t more pressure from pro-sport franchises. And if I were the parent of a highly recruited AA athlete, he/she would be strongly discouraged from playing in a in a state with racist voting restrictions. Hell I’m white, and I’d let my kid know I’d prefer him/her to play in a state that doesn’t discriminate on any level. Protests like BLM, and occupy are all well and good, but this is America, and money talks louder than any protest.

  63. 63.

    Ben Cisco

    April 12, 2016 at 6:47 pm

    McCrory’s a puppet; take him down and you still have to deal with the real problem, which is Art Pope.

  64. 64.

    Loviatar

    April 12, 2016 at 6:47 pm

    I’ve been saying for awhile these people not our opponents they’re our enemies.

    Opponent = someone to be negotiated with, and live with in compromise.

    Enemy = someone out to destroy you who can not be negotiated with and is unwilling to live with you in compromise.

  65. 65.

    Adam L Silverman

    April 12, 2016 at 6:48 pm

    @Ben Cisco: On the nosey! Whatever Pope wants to happen in regard to this, or anything else in NC, is what’s going to happen as long as the people he paid to win these offices – both the governor and the legislatures – are holding them.

  66. 66.

    Miss Bianca

    April 12, 2016 at 6:50 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Dear God, I thought you had written “the Pope”, not “Pope”, and I just got a very weird picture of NC politics…

  67. 67.

    Adam L Silverman

    April 12, 2016 at 6:52 pm

    @Miss Bianca: Nope Art Pope.
    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2011/10/10/state-for-sale

  68. 68.

    LAO

    April 12, 2016 at 6:53 pm

    @Miss Bianca: You’re not the only one!

  69. 69.

    Cermet

    April 12, 2016 at 6:54 pm

    @gene108: Some Northerners were as bad as many in the South, then! And some Southerners were really good – Sherman was guarded by a special company composed solely of Southerns from Alabama!

  70. 70.

    Miss Bianca

    April 12, 2016 at 6:56 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Yeah, thanks, it took me a second but I twigged it was Art Pope you were talking about. BTW, your comments’ cloak of imperial purple is…something to behold. (blink, blink)

  71. 71.

    Patricia Kayden

    April 12, 2016 at 7:08 pm

    @p.a.: Because they’re hateful bastards who always need some group to vilify and demonize and oppress. They think they’ve found their perfect target in the LGBT community but they’ve thought wrong.

    @Loviatar: Yep. And they need to be thoroughly defeated.

  72. 72.

    Brickhead

    April 12, 2016 at 7:09 pm

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.): The Legislature meets next week. The law will not be touched because too many idiots patted them on the back.

  73. 73.

    LAO

    April 12, 2016 at 7:12 pm

    @Brickhead: the law won’t be changed because they believe it is a pr problem. They honestly can’t comprehend that that “kick gays in the head” is no longer an acceptable political position.

  74. 74.

    joel hanes

    April 12, 2016 at 7:15 pm

    @greennotGreen:

    During my hippie days we used to say that we wished …

    Psilocybin would be more likely than LSD to produce the positive personal changes we desire.

  75. 75.

    joel hanes

    April 12, 2016 at 7:18 pm

    @Miss Bianca:

    That’s not imperial (Tyrian) purple, nor anything like it.
    Closer to mauve, actually.

  76. 76.

    Woodrowfan

    April 12, 2016 at 7:23 pm

    @D58826: and when I visit my Mom in NC sometimes I have to assist her into a Lady’s Room stall as she uses a walker and a wheelchair. Guess that’;s out now too.

  77. 77.

    Loviatar

    April 12, 2016 at 7:29 pm

    @Patricia Kayden:

    Its why I get a little frustrated when people say so an so is a good republican and they could see themselves supporting them. NO, HELL NO. Their are no good republicans, based on what we know about the modern Republican party, if you’re supporting them you’re supporting evil.

  78. 78.

    J R in WV

    April 12, 2016 at 7:39 pm

    @Thoroughly Pizzled:

    I was pretty sure he burned Atlanta, marched to the sea through Georgia… but I could be wrong. Seemed to be what I remember, though.

    I know lots of the fires in Atlanta were set by the retreating Armies of Treason, but the city mostly burned – and it was because Sherman’s Army was there to take names and kick Ass.

  79. 79.

    boatboy_srq

    April 12, 2016 at 7:41 pm

    @Cermet: Except that, in the recent migrations, that’s been happening – and the Northerners who are relocating seem at least as wingnutty as the established populations.

  80. 80.

    Adam L Silverman

    April 12, 2016 at 7:42 pm

    @Miss Bianca: I think its light aubergine on the color wheel.

  81. 81.

    Adam L Silverman

    April 12, 2016 at 7:43 pm

    @efgoldman: That’s the sequel.

  82. 82.

    J R in WV

    April 12, 2016 at 7:48 pm

    @Gimlet:

    Hillary was 16 years old when JFK was killed (and I was 12, too young to conceive of treasonous conspiracy)! She had yet to even meet Bill. This is so stupid I can’t even describe how stupid it is. But I guess it will sell millions of copies, so WTF, go for it, idiot…

  83. 83.

    RSA

    April 12, 2016 at 7:52 pm

    @D58826, @Woodrowfan:

    The law includes exceptions for people assisting other people in the toilet. (FWIW, I’m in the same boat.)

  84. 84.

    boatboy_srq

    April 12, 2016 at 7:56 pm

    @jl: HB2 voided all existing municipal/local protections (for everyone), voided all existing municipal/local minimum wage statutes, voided all redress for plaintiffs in discrimination cases through the state courts (now all NC residents have to go straight to federal court in these cases), and prohibited all NC municipalities from enacting any protections in the future. This law invalidated veteran’s protections in Fayetteville, purchasing/contracting requirements in Greensboro, and all manner of other local ordinances – not just Charlotte’s SOGI ordinance. The LGBT slam was cover: it got the wingnuts into the state house to vote, and it hit a subject NC thought was to their advantage. McCrony’s latest statement not only completely ignores the lack of protections for SOGI issues in NC, it only affects state employees and state programs – not the local ones HB2 voided/prohibited. And it does nothing to address the wage, housing, employment and other issues now exacerbated by HB2.

    The saddest part of this is that the MSM is buying McCrony’s executive order as operating as he described it – not as it is written (which at three whole pages isn’t exactly a prohibitively long read).

  85. 85.

    boatboy_srq

    April 12, 2016 at 8:06 pm

    @Ben Cisco: @Adam L Silverman: All the more reason to keep causing NC economic pain (and loss of internet pr0n) until the legislature sees reason. Of the recent actions, it feels like the XHamster traffic block is the one making the biggest impression – not the PayPal, Deutsche Bank or Springsteen actions, nor the failfest that this year’s APTA roadeo is becoming.

  86. 86.

    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism

    April 12, 2016 at 8:09 pm

    Please set your clocks back 100 years

  87. 87.

    boatboy_srq

    April 12, 2016 at 8:10 pm

    @RSA: What bugs me is how they thought this was in any way enforceable. What is NC planning to do? Require all residents to carry drivers licence or state ID AND their birth certificate for presentation at every public facility? Hire an army of genital fondlers “plubming inspectors” to monitor public restrooms/lockerrooms/showers/etc (and just imagine how many harassment/abuse cases THAT would generate)? Post cameras everywhere at all sorts of impolite angles to make sure nothing is “out of place”? Either the result is a pointless dig at trans residents and visitors, or it’s a massive security-state boondoggle rife with opportunities for abuse.

  88. 88.

    Loviatar

    April 12, 2016 at 8:12 pm

    I can say pants.

  89. 89.

    nutella

    April 12, 2016 at 8:47 pm

    May I suggest that everyone who is cancelling trips to NC do two more things?

    1) Let the NC business advocates know. Head of NC Chamber of Commerce is S. Lewis Ebert, email: [email protected] Tell him how much you would have spent if you hadn’t cancelled your trip.

    2) Send some part of the money you were going to spend to an LGBT, ant-discrimination, or other group in NC targeted by the law. Here’s a list to start with.

    You don’t want to contribute to a state run by bigots, but please contribute to the non-bigots there so they have more strength to fight back.

  90. 90.

    RSA

    April 12, 2016 at 8:58 pm

    @boatboy_srq:

    What bugs me is how they thought this was in any way enforceable.

    I know! It doesn’t pass the laugh test. I think you’re right about the LBGT part being cover for rolling back workers’ protections in the state; maybe Cole is right and the backfire will be significant, more so than if they’d just eliminated the protections alone.

  91. 91.

    Miss Bianca

    April 12, 2016 at 9:07 pm

    @joel hanes: @Adam L Silverman: So, I exaggerate…

  92. 92.

    boatboy_srq

    April 12, 2016 at 9:09 pm

    @RSA: You’ll notice that the trans facilities portion (aka the bathroom section of the “Bathroom Bill”) is the one thing McCrony has budged on rolling back. The smirk on his face as he announced it was telling (“Yay! My secret’s safe! They bought it – and now we can carry on discriminating, oppressing and impoverishing as we intended, and this one section of the law won’t even be missed.”). None of the other states so far has attempted anything so sweeping: GA, MS, TN et al all tried to pass specifically anti-trans legislation, while NC’s HB2 is an omnibus of animus.

  93. 93.

    Marmot

    April 12, 2016 at 9:09 pm

    They haven’t changed at all- the neo-confederate religious bigots are just as entrenched in their own idiocy as they were 150 years ago.

    That’s just lazy. Of course “they” have changed. The confederates all died. Their grudges and hatreds and ideas about who can serve as a useful focus of scorn — it all slowly changed. The religious part played a role before, but now it’s a core identity the conservatives think is morally unassailable. What — you gonna argue that West Virginia used to be confederate?

  94. 94.

    boatboy_srq

    April 12, 2016 at 9:12 pm

    @nutella: FYI: For those who haven’t seen this, Joe Jervis over at Joemygod.com has several good posts on what’s happening in and around NC, complete with some places to donate – and to shop in a “buycott”, including a craft beer specifically being brewed and marketed to raise funds for the anti-HB2 effort. The brewers’ Day One fundraising effort is already at about 1000% of their target.

  95. 95.

    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism

    April 12, 2016 at 9:20 pm

    @boatboy_srq: Actually, the Charlotte Observer is reporting that

    McCrory also promised to seek legislation to reinstate the right to sue in state court for discrimination, a right eliminated by HB2.

  96. 96.

    PIGL

    April 12, 2016 at 9:38 pm

    @Cacti: Will you yield, and this avoid, or, guilty in defence, be thus destroyed?

  97. 97.

    Iowa Old Lady

    April 12, 2016 at 9:49 pm

    @J R in WV: Surely it’s JFK Jr that Stone is talking about.

  98. 98.

    jl

    April 12, 2016 at 9:55 pm

    @boatboy_srq: OK, thanks. I thought the omnibus pre-emption of pretty much any local law the wingnuts disliked BS in NC was a separate law. Horrible, then. And still horrible.

  99. 99.

    Miss Bianca

    April 12, 2016 at 10:04 pm

    @efgoldman: You know that Grace Slick and Abbie Hoffman wanted to dose Richard Nixon with acid, right?

  100. 100.

    Brendancalling

    April 12, 2016 at 10:12 pm

    @Mike in NC: and phil berger, I am given to understand. ..

  101. 101.

    RaflW

    April 12, 2016 at 11:03 pm

    @Zinsky:

    Why do these right-wing assholes find it so hard to understand that gay people are human beings just like everyone else??

    Those right wingers dislike a whole lotta people besides just us gays. There is no ‘just like everyone else.’

  102. 102.

    Paul in KY

    April 13, 2016 at 8:04 am

    @Calouste: I would have been for that. Unfortunately, Pres. Lincoln was not & would not have been for that. Probably one of the only mistakes he made.

  103. 103.

    Paul in KY

    April 13, 2016 at 8:06 am

    @Gin & Tonic: More a mauve, on my browser.

  104. 104.

    Paul in KY

    April 13, 2016 at 8:09 am

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.): They won’t. It will have to be repealed by a more rational group of legislators.

  105. 105.

    Cleos

    April 13, 2016 at 9:01 am

    @rikyrah:

    Sherman burned that shyt TO THE GROUND!!!

    Which becomes rather risible the first time you attempt to negotiate the city’s traffic.

    [quoted] s

    so are you going to wake up and stop whistling Dixie, you loons?

    That part just had to be a late April Fool’s joke from a history major.

  106. 106.

    Nancy Irving

    April 13, 2016 at 9:18 am

    Deutsche Bank, huh? I guess the law didn’t sound better even in the original German…

  107. 107.

    S-Curve

    April 13, 2016 at 9:52 am

    This, right here: “Of course, this is all lost on the Phil Leighs of the world, who—for reasons that cut deep into the ideology of the American right wing—always take burnt houses too seriously, and dead people far too lightly. To them, burning a house is a crime, while shooting a Yankee soldier in the eye is just part of war’s rich tapestry.” There was an awful lot of this romanticizing going on in 2002, I recall.

    Also, it was a pleasure re-reading Twain’s savage defenestration of Walter Scott that was linked in the Sherman piece. Having just toured a historic house in Savannah that had busts of Scott and Lord Byron in the front hall, I found Twain’s clear-headed appraisal extra delightful.

  108. 108.

    S-Curve

    April 13, 2016 at 9:58 am

    @J R in WV: The conspiracy is alleged in the death of JFK *JUNIOR.* I have no idea why they are supposed to have done that. Whatever’s in that swamp isn’t worth the fever.

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