Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Fuck the extremist election deniers. What’s money for if not for keeping them out of office?

Optimism opens the door to great things.

Republicans do not pay their debts.

It’s always darkest before the other shoe drops.

I’d like to think you all would remain faithful to me if i ever tried to have some of you killed.

Whoever he was, that guy was nuts.

Republicans are radicals, not conservatives.

When your entire life is steeped in white supremacy, equality feels like discrimination.

Technically true, but collectively nonsense

It’s time for the GOP to dust off that post-2012 autopsy, completely ignore it, and light the party on fire again.

Infrastructure week. at last.

“Jesus paying for the sins of everyone is an insult to those who paid for their own sins.”

A sufficient plurality of insane, greedy people can tank any democratic system ever devised, apparently.

You don’t get to peddle hatred on saturday and offer condolences on sunday.

Authoritarian republicans are opposed to freedom for the rest of us.

Make the republican party small enough to drown in a bathtub.

All your base are belong to Tunch.

Not all heroes wear capes.

The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand.

if you can’t see it, then you are useless in the fight to stop it.

Usually wrong but never in doubt

It’s the corruption, stupid.

Russian mouthpiece, go fuck yourself.

Peak wingnut was a lie.

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A hill in Central Florida. Yep, a hill!

The Pats-Cards game is getting interesting. What is up with the Brady understudy huffing smelling salts on the sidelines? Weird. Seems to be working, though.

I’m planning a river cruise on a borrowed houseboat, trying to figure out what to bring, moorings, optimal stargazing, etc., which is a pleasant diversion. Damn, do I need a vacation.

What are you up to? Open thread!

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  3. 3.

    Trentrunner

    Still no comment from Trump on Hillary’s illness.

    I’m guessing a tweet or comment in the next 24 hours:

    “Get well soon, Hillary.”

    Followed by 50+ days of

    “She has no stamina, no strength.”

  4. 4.

    Suzanne

    Feeling completely exhausted today. Mr. Suzanne and I binge-watched the last four episodes of Stranger Things, and I fell asleep through one of the episodes. I feel for HRC, because seasonal allergies are not the worst, but are pretty awful in their own right.

  6. 6.

    PigDog

    Went to a theatrical showing of Labyrinth. They don’t make practical effects like they used to.

    Also there was an ad for a reboot of Left Behind, “presented by Liberty University.” If there isn’t a more compelling case for revoking their accreditation, I can’t think of one.

  8. 8.

    BR

    Today was another reminder of how important it is to volunteer. If we leave things to the media it will be nonsense from here to election day and we can’t rely on a good news cycle to sweep voters to the polls. We need to do it ourselves.

    Sign up here to volunteer — just put in your zip code and find local events. Please sign up for just one…

  9. 9.

    Kropadope

    Just finished Soul Eater. Not ready to return to Start Trek TNG (on Season 4 after several months of dedicated watching) so looking for a new series.

  10. 10.

    Mike J

    I’ll hold your float plan, but you probably want somebody closer to have a copy too.

    Load up books on your phone/tablet. Get one on celestial navigation and make your own sextant at home and geek out underway. I realise my idea of boating fun is not the same as everyone else’s.

  11. 11.

    rk

    Hillary Clinton found out on Friday she had Pneumonia.So that means she did the commander in chief (or whatever it was called)forum with the two morons for an hour and a half when she was sick. Plus she did a press conference and gave the “basket of deplorables” speech and attended the 9/11 memorial. A lesser man (Donald Trump) would have keeled over.
    And the media is going to spend the whole of next week discussing if she has stamina.

  13. 13.

    schrodinger's cat

    OT Question for computer geeks.
    What PC repair kit do you recommend for laptops. I am going to open my old dell laptop and replace the fan inside. I already have a set of tiny screw drivers.

  19. 19.

    SiubhanDuinne

    I have some great FB friends who are working to reframe the narrative from “Hillary is sick and on meds and stumbling and coughing and collapsing all over the place” to “Hillary is SO FUCKING BADASS she can be diagnosed with pneumonia, go out on a hot morning in a dark pantssuit and prolly Kevlar, stand in the sun with hundreds of other hot sweaty people, and basically all she did was wobble a little.” BAD. ASS.

  21. 21.

    Lyrebird

    @BR: Yeah, LGM put up the link to the orange monster’s aversion to hand-shaking here, and yes there is already an HA Goodman call to bring back Bernie…

    Apparently I’ve become such a Hillbot that I’m getting viruses at the same time…

  29. 29.

    The Dangerman

    @Suzanne:

    I didn’t see….

    2 or 3 nights ago was a hospital run for reasons I shouldn’t describe further (been a long time since my last coffee and I wouldn’t want to get it wrong)….

  31. 31.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    @schrodinger’s cat: “Spudgers” can be handy at times.

    Wander around here and see if anything looks useful.

    I assume you’ve found a YouTube showing you what to do?

    Working on the main part of a laptop is pretty easy, but keep track of the screws – they’re often of different lengths.

    Good luck!

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  39. 39.

    BR

    @SectionH:

    Even better, I think someone here suggested she should whisper to Trump that she peed on her hand. She’d never do it, but if you remember Trump has an even weirder hangup about that (he made some strange comment about Clinton needing to use the restroom during a debate break).

  40. 40.

    hovercraft

    @The Dangerman:
    I can’t remember the details of what the problem was, she was home later the same night/early morning, his follow-up post was that she was fine, and he bitched about the emergency room.

  43. 43.

    amk

    gopolitico now – press rips Clinton campaign’s handling of health incident.

    You mean da press that swallowed every one of donnie dick’s lies including his error strewn ‘medical certificate’ from his bonging ‘doctor’?

  46. 46.

    Suzanne

    @hovercraft: @Omnes Omnibus: Thanks for the updates. Yeah, EDs are not nice places to be. Hospitals, as a rule, are nasty places. I design them all day and go to various hospitals at least weekly and they are all gross and not calming. I keep disinfectant wipes in the car. I hope they’re both doing better at home.

  47. 47.

    sneezy

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    I am going to open my old dell laptop and replace the fan inside.

    Dell laptops are easy to work on. You shouldn’t need anything more than a philips screwdriver to replace the fan. Search youtube for “[your laptop model] takeapart” or something similar and you will probably find a nice short video that shows you exactly what you need to do.

  48. 48.

    Steeplejack (tablet)

    This remake of The Magnificent Seven looks like complete bullshit. But I am undoubtedly not the target demographic.

  49. 49.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    @schrodinger’s cat: Without knowing the exact model, it’s hard to recommend anything specific. iFixit guides are pretty good. Here’s one for a Dell Inspiron 1525. Once you get to the fan, it looks pretty easy (2 #1 Phillips screws and a small connector).

    Good luck!

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  51. 51.

    The Dangerman

    ….his follow-up post was that she was fine…

    Very good.

    …and he bitched about the emergency room.

    In the last 4 years and change, I have been to the ER (not personally, for Family) no less than 6 times; each time sucks. It’s a near Universal in life that ER’s suck, nearing that of (a word that shouldn’t be used) and Taxes.

  52. 52.

    Felonius Monk

    @Suzanne:

    I hope they’re both doing better at home.

    On their way to Vermont today for family business tomorrow — at least that’s what efg said before signing off early last night.

  53. 53.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    @BR: I wouldn’t be surprised as it is if her pneumonia is enough to make him not want to touch her or even be near her. It would be the perfect excuse for him to drop out of the debate, also too.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  54. 54.

    gwangung

    @BR: Somebody should start the rumor Hillary SOMETIMES doesn’t wash her hands after going to the restroom…and then she should say at the handshake, “Sorry I’m a little rushed. Had to take care of myself….”

  57. 57.

    Jibeaux

    My dad is replacing some flooring with this engineered stone not-really-tile product for me. It looks great, but the manufacturer glue is like trying to work with chewing gum that takes two days to dry. It’s a bear. I’m trying to help.
    And I read a book called the Tsar of Love and Techno that I really liked. Haven’t finished a book other than for book club in a while.

  58. 58.

    scav

    Altitude sickness in Florida is a terrible thing. I don’t think we should encourage Betty to put herself to such exertions and dangers for our visual enlightenment.

  59. 59.

    hovercraft

    @amk:
    As noted in the threads downstairs, there are 90 minutes that are unaccounted for, we have only the campaigns word that she went straight to Chelsea’s apartment, the press should have been with her, there are now ‘questions’ about those minutes. There are also the ‘questions’ raised by her getting the diagnosis on Friday:
    – why did she not announce it right away ?
    -would she have told us if she had not had her episode this morning ?
    -why did she not follow her doctors order to moderate her schedule (and does this show lack a of judgment) ?
    -what else is she hiding ?
    And on and on and on.

  61. 61.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    @schrodinger’s cat: What are you nervous about? It sounds like you’ve got everything you need. :-)

    Maybe this will help:

    This Toshiba Portege’ R835 (upgraded with 2 SSDs, maxed-out RAM, and Win10) started having issues with the display flaking out and only working at one particular tilt angle (which would change from day to day). I was nervous about trying to fix it because the bezel around the screen is very thin and fragile. But I found a guide that talked about how to replace the screen and used that for the initial disassembly. I re-seated the cable, but it didn’t fix the problem. A few months later I found a replacement video cable on eBay, spent about 10 minutes taking the back and the bezel off again, and swapped in the “new” cable. The display has been perfect ever since.

    Whenever I get nervous about working on these things I just remember, “Hey, they’ve got 14 year old girls putting these things together in China – how hard and fragile can it really be?” :-/

    Good luck.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  62. 62.

    Felonius Monk

    @efgoldman:

    Jimmy the kid is having an excellent game.

    Indeed. And Edelman was sure on fire in the first half.

    Can’t believe the Giants won against Dallas. But Cruz is back, so maybe they’ll be better.

    ETA: Thought you were on your way to Vermont today.

  65. 65.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    Speaking of vacations, this last week I heard from my RWNJ brother that he is planning another motorcycle trip to South America in January, so I’ll be going out to Las Vegas for three weeks to house-, dog- and mom-sit.

    It will be a vacation for me, too, just getting out of my usual rut and experiencing a different routine. And I like Las Vegas: great restaurants, great weather and lots of outdoorsy stuff to do. Plus any time with my mother is precious, as she is 86.

    I’ve been a little surprised at how much I’m looking forward to it so far in advance.

  68. 68.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym

    Ugh. I’m in a Facebook discussion, and the smug self-congratulation of a lot of my fellow atheists is irritating, as is their habit of gratuitously insulting all of their religious friends by calling religious belief stupid, and then denying that they did any such thing.

  72. 72.

    Frankensteinbeck

    I am working on the outline for the final chapter of I Did Not Give That Spider Superhuman Intelligence. There are only a couple of fight scenes left to figure out. Book climax stuff. This next week is likely to involve very little sanity.

    @Kropadope:
    I love Soul Eater. It’s little enough known that I describe it to anime fans as ‘Naruto, but better than every way and with no filler. Yes, that means it’s 1/10th as long.’ Although Maka Albarne is far from my only influence, there’s a little girl with a scythe in this book, even.

  75. 75.

    Suzanne

    @hovercraft: I can’t really take any of those “questions” seriously. She probably didn’t tell people because it’s not that big a deal and it’s personal. She probably did clear some events from her schedule but thought the 9/11 memorial was too important and meaningful to miss. I mean, I have had flu and strep and infections and the like and had to just suck it up because of some important event I had to be present for. It’s just life. Take the antibiotics so you’re not contagious and then push through.

    Maybe if we had a more enlightened cultural attitude toward sick time and the fallibility of our leaders, everyone would feel more comfortable taking time off. But you just knew that the HRC camp knew that the minute they mentioned the word “pneumonia” that the collective shit would hit the fan in a way that is completely out of proportion.

  76. 76.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    @Aleta:

    Cool.

    TCM is showing a couple of samurai movies tonight: Hara-Kiri (1963) at 2:00 a.m. EDT and Samurai Rebellion (1967) at 4:15.

  88. 88.

    Suzanne

    @Omnes Omnibus: Truth.

    My boss had a stroke about a month ago and he is back at work half-days while undergoing physical therapy. When he comes into the office after therapy, he looks exhausted and worn. I have told him that it’s more important to go take care of himself and that we can all share the extra responsibilities, but he keeps not listening to me. I can’t help but think that it’s because of financial need (he’s the breadwinner in his family) and it makes me sad.

  90. 90.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym

    @Frankensteinbeck: The one in particular that I’m dealing with has not so suffered. He’s a friend, but he has a strong streak of “entitled white male” in him, and responds to any attempt to get him to knock off gratuitously offending people by saying that, if we don’t like it, just stop listening to him.

  94. 94.

    Aleta

    @Steeplejack (phone): I love both of those. Hara-kiri is great (I didn’t see the remake) and the sword fighting was done of course by classically trained guys who learned from the truly classically trained teachers. Single discipline artists who take their whole life to keep learning.

  96. 96.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym

    There’s also the part where you try to convince people, atheists especially, that no legal system in the history of humanity hasn’t been about enforcing commonly held moral views on each other, and that the one they’re pushing is no exception. Apparently, when they advocate for laws enforcing what they believe, that’s logical; when someone else does it, that’s oppression.

  100. 100.

    Betty Cracker

    @efgoldman: I just meant the bungled snap was bad luck for the Cards — they had a shot and blew it. No implication for larger points about destiny or fate or greatness or training or preparation or virtue or villainy blah blah blah.

  102. 102.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    Just got my first text from a friend wondering “who will run for president if Hillary can’t?” In the process of smacking that shit down hard.

  106. 106.

    Ruckus

    @Tissue Thin Pseudonym:
    I know her. But she was mid 20s blond and bouncy happy. A fireman walking by my table asked her what she was doing to me to make me cry. I believe her answer was my job. I think he spurred her on to take it to that last step where I was sure I was going to black out. That would have been nice.

  107. 107.

    Aleta

    @Anoniminous: I have a question about the Criterion Coll 7 Samurai on Hulu. I’m pretty sure that Hulu used to have the option for the “picture box” setting so that the sides of the film as originally framed are not cut off. But now the sides of 7 Samurai are slightly shaved, and I don’t see a way to put it in the longer width. Did this change? ( I notice some other changes in the viewer. ) Is there a way to get the full width?
    The “print” does seems very beautiful though. He always stuns me no matter how many times I see this or that Kurosawa. The motion.

  108. 108.

    SFAW

    @Anoniminous:

    Got that, boxed with Yo! Jimbo! and Hidden “Everyone Says It’s Just Like Star Wars” Fortress as a Christmas gift a few years ago.

    Well, actually, not sure if it’s “The Criterion Collection” version, but it is Criterion. Not sure if there’s any differmence.

  109. 109.

    Li'l Innocent

    @Felonius Monk:swale is a lovely word,but it means a hollow or gentle depression in the ground. Landscaped office parks often have drainage sealed to take runoff from rainstorms.
    Swales are swells in reverse. Knegative knolls.

  110. 110.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Ruckus: After my ACL/MCL/Meniscus surgery, my primary PT was a seven month pregnant dungeon queen. My knee has been wonderful fir 17 years. PTs are vicious sadists, but they are effective.

  111. 111.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Me: Media want clicks, eyeballs, ad revenue. They are going to hype the shit out of every little thing. This is a non-issue.

    Other: LOL ha ha.

    Which I think is a good sign from this person. Reassured.

  112. 112.

    SFAW

    @Aleta:

    Can’t help you with Hulu, but the movie itself is outstanding, one of the best, and Kurosawa did all sorts of neat stuff. Possibly my favorite film.

  117. 117.

    grandpa john

    @hovercraft: @Suzanne: If these smug assholes had to work a honest job for a living, they might have a concept of what it means to” work through it” when ill like most working people have to do

  118. 118.

    hilts

    @Steeplejack (phone):

    I was shocked to hear Doug Brinkley say that the “basket of deplorables” comment would haunt Hillary for several weeks. He’s a fucking presidential historian, not some stone cold stupid hack like Chris Matthews or Anderson Cooper. At least Carl Bernstein had the sense to point that Hillary has disclosed far more info about herself than Trump.

  120. 120.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    Flashpoint is one of those shows where I’m like “Yeah, I know it’s been around for a little while, but holy shit how are there now 190 episodes?!” None of which I’ll be watching.

    Ditto Leverage (although I will watch those occasionally).

  122. 122.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Ruckus: My left knee is as tight as fuck. She was brilliant. She got me to do what I needed to do. And she knew how to get me to do it.

  123. 123.

    Suzanne

    @Tissue Thin Pseudonym: Yeah, I have no doubt that therapy is kicking his ass. He has numbness in half of his body. That’s why I want him to concentrate on it rather than work.

    @grandpa john: No shit. Like, who are these people that can clear their schedule when they get a cough? I’m freaking jealous. I take like 2 sick days a year and I always feel horribly guilty, like I am letting everyone down.

  125. 125.

    SFAW

    @Aleta:

    He made no bad movies as far as I can see

    Perhaps. My brother hates Ikiru, me not as much but I can see why he would. But in general, a great great director.

  126. 126.

    SFAW

    @hilts:

    At least Carl Bernstein had the sense to point that Hillary has disclosed far more info about herself than Trump.

    Hell, she’s disclosed more information about Trump than Trump has.

  127. 127.

    Mai.naem.mobile

    I happened to have CNN on on the background when they were going crazy about the Clinton illness and they had Sanjay Gupta on. He’s going on about how the diagnosis of pneumonia is a long process – labs,chest x-ray ,the doc listening to her lungs,vitals etc ,- almost challenging how it was diagnosed so quickly. Does Sanjay Gupta not realize they have mobile x-ray units and phlebotomists that come and draw labs and the stuff is turned around very quickly. Also too, she’s a former presidents wife and SOS. Does Sanjay Gupta think that the Clintons go to regular docs? Maybe,just maybe they have a concierge doc?

  130. 130.

    hilts

    @NR:

    A Trump presidency would be an existential problem for this planet because he’s a fucking moron with delusions of grandeur.

  131. 131.

    SFAW

    @Mai.naem.mobile:

    They can diagnose pneumonia pretty damn fast. Doctor listens to your lungs, doesn’t like what he/she hears, sends you to X-ray, anyplace that’s not in East Overshoe has digital X-ray now, image comes through probably faster than the time it takes to change out of the johnny, radiologist reads it, doctor confirms, done.

    And, as you pointed out: it’s Hillary, and she’ll get service PDQ. Plus: they diagnosed the pneumonia on Friday, not Sunday

    But it’s Crooked Hillary, so Clinton Rules apply.

    If the ferret-headed shitgibbon were to have a heart attack, or a stroke, his idiot supporters would (A) say it was merely a flesh wound, and (B) blame Hillary for inducing one in Deadbeat Donnie.

  132. 132.

    hilts

    @SFAW:

    David Cay Johnston was great on C-SPAN earlier tonight describing how big a lying scumbag Trump is. He’s been on The Last Word, but O’Donnell should invite him back for a longer segment to further catalog Trump’s lies.

  138. 138.

    Anoniminous

    @Aleta:

    I don’t know the answer to that. Criterion always has the ‘Movie Theater’ aspect ratio which for Seven Samurai is 1.33:1 (I know that because I looked it up! :-)

    Kurosawa was a cinematographer before he turned writer/director. He was tremendously picky about how his films were shot and a real PITA regarding camera placement, lens selection, film stock, actor blocking, and so on. And it all paid off, his images are incredible.

    @SFAW:

    Criterion and Criterion Collection are the same company. There isn’t a difference.

  139. 139.

    SFAW

    @NR:

    This is a huge problem for the Clinton campaign.

    Get a fucking grip.

    It would be a huge problem for an obese piece of shit like Deadbeat Donnie. His BMI is around 31 or 32, Hill’s is around 24. [And, in case you’re inclined to try the “Trump weighs 198 pounds” bullshit — which would give him a BMI of 25 or so — if Corrupt Deadbeat Donnie weighs 198, then I’m Abebe Bikila. And my profile is a lot closer to Trump’s than Bikila’s (may he Rest in Peace).]

  141. 141.

    James E Powell

    In the last week we have established on the public record that the so-called liberal media has not a different standard but a different mindset for each candidate. For Trump it’s pretty much point the camera and let him roll. For Clinton it’s all about alleging scandals, then behaving & speaking as if those scandalous allegations have been proved.

    This has been established and in some respects admitted, but the entire press/media has determined that they are going to go ahead and keep doing it anyway. While the idea of a Trump presidency makes them nervous, they have the money and status to weather whatever he does. The one thing they cannot do is stand idly by while that horrible woman they have hated their whole careers just walks into the White House. No sir, no way they’re letting that happen.

  143. 143.

    SFAW

    @Anoniminous:

    I know it’s the same company; I just don’t know if the “Collection” vids are like the “Director’s Cut Re-Release, now which 3 extra minutes of commentary from George Lucas” that seem to be everywhere.

  145. 145.

    NR

    @SFAW: Don’t know why you’re talking about BMI when pneumonia is a respiratory ailment. Regardless, the fact is it can be a big problem in people Hillary’s age, even if she’s otherwise healthy.

  150. 150.

    Anoniminous

    @SFAW:

    I can’t imagine Criterion would mess with Kurosawa’s film. Mine is the 3 disk set, copyright 2006. It’s been years since I viewed the Supplementary disk or listened to the commentary. I don’t remember George Lucas commenting at all, never mind for an extra three minutes. But then I don’t give a rat’s ass what George Lucas thinks so if he did it went in one ear and out the other.

  153. 153.

    SFAW

    @NR:

    Wow, a respiratory ailment, no shit? I thought it was more like an ingrown toenail.

    Because BMI is one indicator of how well one’s body can withstand stresses. A fat shit like your hero would have a tougher time than someone in better shape. The only thing he could withstand better would be forced starvation. Of course, that might get him down to the 198 that he claims is his actual weight, but it would take a few weeks.

    He already has an appearance schedule that is a fraction of Hillary’s, and when he goes too long without his blankie, or a nap I guess, he looks pretty shitty.

    Put him on an erg. If he can do 10 minutes at a 1:45 pace, then I will publicly declare that I’m completely full of shit about his condition

  156. 156.

    SFAW

    @Anoniminous:

    I can’t imagine Criterion would mess with Kurosawa’s film. Mine is the 3 disk set, copyright 2006.

    Mine is probably the same. I just didn’t know whether the “Collection” was a later re-release of that.

    But then I don’t give a rat’s ass what George Lucas thinks so if he did it went in one ear and out the other.

    Sorry, I should have been more clear, I was mixing two films together. The Lucas remark was aimed at the re-re-re-re-release of SWars Eps IV/V/VI. I was just using that as an example of what some companies do to goose up revenue.

  157. 157.

    Anoniminous

    @Steeplejack (phone):

    4:3 was the standard at the time so it was wide-screen. We’ve gotten used to the wider-screen images as Hollywood tries to lure us back into the theater to watch their shit films latest offerings.

  160. 160.

    Anoniminous

    @SFAW:

    Casting around it looks to me like Criterion threw the Seven Samurai, The Hidden Fortress, Yojimbo, and Sanjuro films into one box without all the supplementary material of the stand-alone packages. OK, fair enough.

    Now I see where you got the George thing, he does the commentary* on Hidden Fortress — from the film’s supposed influence on Star Wars I guess.

    * contain my rapture

    @SFAW:

    LOL.

  162. 162.

    SFAW

    @Anoniminous:

    No, no — the Lucas thing was not an intentional link to Hidden Fortress. I was thinking of the re-re-re-release (as mentioned earlier) of Star Wars — the one where they add the Ghost of Hayden Christensen into the end when all the spooks are smiling at Luke. I don’t even know if Lucas has any commentary in that set. (I mean, I would guess that he does, but I’m not really interested.

    My apologies for the poor choice of examples. Next time I’ll pick Napoleon or Lawrence of Arabia or some such.

  164. 164.

    JCJ

    @Mai.naem.mobile: Don’t forget that Sanjay Gupta is a neurosurgeon. It probably would take him several days to diagnose pneumonia. I have never understood why these tv doctors get treated as if they know things outside of their respective fields. If you go to a neurosurgeon with a cough you had better hope he or she sends you to the right place instead of trying to manage the problem.

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