Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

You can’t attract Republican voters. You can only out organize them.

Balloon Juice has never been a refuge for the linguistically delicate.

The next time the wall street journal editorial board speaks the truth will be the first.

American History and Black History Cannot Be Separated

When someone says they “love freedom”, rest assured they don’t mean yours.

The republican caucus is already covering themselves with something, and it’s not glory.

Seems like a complicated subject, have you tried yelling at it?

Black Jesus loves a paper trail.

Republicans seem to think life begins at the candlelight dinner the night before.

Schmidt just says fuck it, opens a tea shop.

We are builders in a constant struggle with destroyers. let’s win this.

You don’t get to peddle hatred on saturday and offer condolences on sunday.

Teach a man to fish, and he’ll sit in a boat all day drinking beer.

A sufficient plurality of insane, greedy people can tank any democratic system ever devised, apparently.

Why is it so hard for them to condemn hate?

Thanks to your bullshit, we are now under siege.

A snarling mass of vitriolic jackals

I see no possible difficulties whatsoever with this fool-proof plan.

Is it negotiation when the other party actually wants to shoot the hostage?

Republicans don’t want a speaker to lead them; they want a hostage.

… pundit janitors mopping up after the GOP

“Can i answer the question? No you can not!”

If you are still in the GOP, you are an extremist.

They are lying in pursuit of an agenda.

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  5. 5.

    WaterGirl

    @raven: Okay, that C.R.E.A.M I knew!

    @Doug!: Thank you! In my musings, I got as far as Congressional Races Evidently (need to) Access Money. Pretty sure that wasn’t going to be right.

  7. 7.

    Mai.naem.mobile

    I sent a little to Ann Kirkpatrick for the AZ Senate seat. Hilz opened an office in AZ which I hope will help down.ballot.
    Also if anybody wants to continue Harry Reids legacy in Nevada throw in a few bucks for Catherine Cortez Masto. She running just a little behind Joe Heck. She would be the first Latina Senator evah!

  9. 9.

    WaterGirl

    @TaMara (HFG): Thanks! I wondered about that, then figured that a Category probably wouldn’t be in there.

    Reposting from the now defunct “Barack & Michelle are Hot and there are photos to prove it” thread:

    So can this Essence issue be purchased NOW? The google tells me that it went on sale 2 days ago, but if has already been released, I think more folks here would be talking about everything in it. Does anybody know?

    edited

  11. 11.

    rikyrah

    Luvvie has commented on the First Couple’s Essence Cover:

    So FLOTUS and POTUS Are Just Gonna Steal My Heart on the Cover of ESSENCE. Ok.
    Awesomely Luvvie — September 8, 2016 9 17

    Listen here. I’m already in my feelings about a variety of things. And then ESSENCE Magazine came and dropped their latest cover, featuring President Barack Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama. Now I don’t know how to act because the 21st Century Love Jones couple got me all verklempt from their beauty.

    Behold. Malia and Sasha’s parents. Michelle LaVaughn and Barack Hussein. Looking like excellence and the reason for terrible artwork you see at the dollar store. Or on an “arabesque” novel.” Out here looking like the ONLY time I’d say “relationship goals.”

    I wanna write a sappy poem about them. The type of poem where I will have to wear a black turtleneck and beat on bongos. And make every single sentence rhyme and when I can’t find a word to rhyme with a previous sentence, I just repeat it slowly. And people would snap their fingers to agree. I’d sway behind a lit candle and Periscope all of it. And I’d sell kente oil afterwards to the crowd: because come up.

    LAWD this picture, yo. COME ON, BEAUTIFUL BLACK. Just… comme des fackons, FLOTUS and POTUS. Her hair is laid (by the hands of the gifted Johnny Wright) and his lining is crisp. His barber never disappoints. You ain’t gon catch Barack outchea with anything but a glorious cut.

  13. 13.

    WaterGirl

    @TaMara (HFG): Completely OT, I still have not been able to bring myself to close the browser tab of Harley’s photo. I am totally captivated. Do you have any baby pictures of Harley?

    I am sitting on my new screened-in porch, and a zillion birds have suddenly amassed on my fence. Oh, no, it’s The Birds all over again.

  14. 14.

    Elizabelle

    Great way to acknowledge September 11th.

    Fund in a new political class, or maintain the old good ones.

    September 11 is actually the national remembrance of political malpractice, although it’s not yet acknowledged as such. Because the mouthpieces and bad actors are still out there, getting paid.

    An occasion to feel shame for what was done in our name, if not responsibility. It’s the bookend to the stolen 2000 election.

  15. 15.

    Dog Dawg Damn

    The video of Clinton having a seizure or fainting (hard to tell) is Awful. Just awful. Looks like she lied. Confirms a conspiracy theory. Makes her look physically unwell.

    Have a sick feeling myself just now that this may be the biggest story of remaining campaign. If you haven’t seen it, don’t flame until you do.

  16. 16.

    Corner Stone

    Good Christ. Not going to link it but now Billmon on his twitter feed is 1000% all in on the “medical episode” bullshit.

  18. 18.

    Corner Stone

    My own personal theory is that HRC was thinking back to how she secretly really pulled off 9/11 and that she was furious that some of her enemies escaped. They knew too much.
    Her overwhelming rage and bloodlust almost overpowered her for a moment.

  22. 22.

    JMG

    The Clinton health thing is trolling at its purest. It can’t possibly be designed to win any votes. For the record, I think the people here who post about how ill Trump looks are in fantasyland, too. He’s just aging badly. So am I, and my health is excellent.

  25. 25.

    WaterGirl

    @Frankensteinbeck: Woman Stumbles After Losing a Shoe! Film at 11.

    I am really hoping that all this stupid coverage starts to open the eyes of well-meaning people who are somehow thinking Trump can fix our fucked-up political system.

  26. 26.

    TaMara (HFG)

    @WaterGirl: We were just talking about Harley last night at dinner. He came to me at a little over a year old. He lived with a woman who basically had too many animals. She worked at a shelter and probably shouldn’t have because she brought many home. Harley and his brother were left and almost frozen overnight, in the shelter drop box (for deliveries, not animals!) as tiny kittens. They revived them, but Harley always had this spiritual quality about him. When I met Harley, it was like this heart connection. He would not leave my side when I visited this woman’s house. Finally I said, you know he needs to come live with me. A week later he moved in and that heart to heart connection never faded.

    I still really feel like I failed him when he got sick…that if I’d done more or tried a better vet, I could have saved it. But no one knew what was wrong with him…

    Here is a photo of him and Emma together, he was her rock.

    Ok, now I need to go work in the garden and cry some….

  27. 27.

    Brachiator

    @BR:

    . ..Because it’s becoming clear that this election is going to be won on the ground.

    Damn. And I was so looking forward to the air assaults.

  28. 28.

    WaterGirl

    OMG, if a troll accuses another troll of being “concerned” does that mean the world is about to come to an end?

  29. 29.

    Kay

    @debbie:

    They can though, because there’s likely voter polls- whatever. I’m not a poll unskewer. I don’t get into that

    + 7 is a blig lead in Ohio. That’s all I’m saying. I know she can do it w/out Ohio but I think Trump is catastrophic so I would like a back-up

  31. 31.

    rachel

    Sam Wang at Princeton Election Consortium has put up an interactive map that helps find competitive House races near you. I was pleased to discover that Utah actually has one.

  32. 32.

    Cheryl Rofer

    I just answered a few more questions on my AMA post. Headed up to Los Alamos now with an anthropology student who wants to compare museums for a class. And some green chile on the way!

    Thanks again for good questions!

  33. 33.

    Frankensteinbeck

    Okay so, in my self-appointed job as Stewardess, I Speak Bigot, I have tried to explain many times how conservatives can see Obama as a tyrant and weak without contradiction. I think I have hit on an explanation that will make sense.

    When racists (IE, Republicans) look at Obama, they see Donald Trump. Yes, that’s insane, but you can all tell that’s what they see. Trump would trample the constitution, ignore or replace judges, politicize the military brass, and abuse his power in every way. A tyrant. At the same time, he’s a cowardly shit who backs away from anything really difficult, and got the job out of luck and not his own intelligence. He’s weak, but as president could be a tyrant anyway. That is the person they imagine Obama is. That is the empty chair Clint Eastwood was talking to. That is why their descriptions seem contradictory.

  34. 34.

    Dog Dawg Damn

    @WaterGirl: okay so her shoe fell off. Is that gonna fly? She looks like my dog did when she was dying and would have these flinching mini seizures and then lose her balance. Obviously I’m not a doctor, but neither are vast majority of voters. Hope they are prepared with real doctors and medical reports because media is going to be ruthless on this.

  35. 35.

    Hal

    Seriously NY Times?

    Fox News, citing an anonymous law enforcement source, reported that Mrs. Clinton appeared to faint as she approached her motorcade to leave the ceremony and had to be helped into a vehicle by her Secret Service detail. Temperatures were in the low 80s on Sunday morning in New York, but with considerable humidity.

  37. 37.

    shomi

    @srv: You sound desperate. You are correct for once. Sort of. It was over a long time ago. Just not in the way you want to think.

  38. 38.

    Kay

    It’s a shame though because the illness episode will mean the Trump charity investigation will disappear and the Trump charity investigation is one of only two examples of real reporting on Trump in his entire political career.

    The other two were Bloomberg and NYTimes reading records of the lawsuits against him.

    Bad timing.

  39. 39.

    Dog Dawg Damn

    @Hal: yes it happened. There is video of it. Campaign has denied health problems. Media will feel lied to and be ruthless. Don’t be naive.

  40. 40.

    Kay

    @Hal:

    IMO, it’s news. If she had a fainting episode(or whatever!) they should report it . She must know she’ll need an entire contingent of medical experts while Trump will slide by with his BS doctor’s letter. That’s the reality.

  42. 42.

    Chyron HR

    @Dog Dawg Damn:

    Hope they are prepared with real doctors and medical reports

    Just for the seizure thing, or do they also have to prove that she doesn’t have Downs Syndrome like the GOP claims?

  44. 44.

    WaterGirl

    @TaMara (HFG): I’m sorry, TaMara, I had wondered if I shouldn’t ask in case it would make you sad. What a lovely connection you guys had. Quiver was my kitty soulmate so I think i may understand what you and Harley had, and I have shared your worries about failing my boy at the end.

    I was finally able to come to terms with my feeling that I had failed my sweet quiver when he needed me the most. He adored me as much as I adored him, and I realized that even if my worst fears were true and I really had failed my sweet boy, that he loved me so much that he would have forgiven me anything. That realization was the only way the terrible loss became bearable for me. I still miss him terribly, but I am no longer haunted by feelings of having let him down.

  45. 45.

    TaMara (HFG)

    @Dog Dawg Damn: Well, I went to Fox News, figuring they would have a blaring headline about it and what I found was a pretty detailed story that was 11 degrees less hysterical than your review of the incident. So it will probably be a non-story.

    But this is 2016 and the media is insane, so I could be wrong.

  48. 48.

    Kay

    @shomi:

    I don’t think I”m a “pantswetter” but thanks for that :)

    I just object to the basic unfairness of one candidate having reams of documents and years of public records and the other candidate having none, and “none” being a huge advantage. That seems insane to me. Dumb. Reckless.

  55. 55.

    TaMara (HFG)

    @Dog Dawg Damn: You really are a troll, aren’t you? You think I went to the Fox site and didn’t watch the video? Clearly you haven’t hung out here enough to know I don’t suffer fools or trolls kindly. So in the tradition of if you can’t say something nice, I’m going outside to garden….

  57. 57.

    Shell

    For all this ridiculous “Health optics. Its over.!” We still have three debates coming up. Who do you think will look their best in them? (And who do you think is most likely to try and squirm out of least one of them?)

  61. 61.

    janeform

    Getting back to Doug!’s suggestion, don’t forget your state-level house and senate races. Here in Michigan, we have a real chance to take back the State House from the Repugs. It’s crucial for the near future and for the march to 2020 and redistricting. For Michiganders and others interested: ActBlue, MI House Democratic Fund.

  62. 62.

    Shell

    leaving Chelsea’s apartment. I guess she hit her head a little too hard

    You posted the exact same thing at Crooks & Liars. Making the troll rounds, are we?

  65. 65.

    JPL

    This is Trump on 9/11/01

    “40 Wall Street actually was the second-tallest building in downtown Manhattan, and it was actually, before the World Trade Center, was the tallest—and then, when they built the World Trade Center, it became known as the second-tallest. And now it’s the tallest.”
    — Donald Trump, giving an interview to WWOR on 9/11 saying his building was now the tallest in lower Manhattan.

    Even though Trump is a narcissist, the all about me tone, shocked me.

    Tom Levinson has the interview on his twitter feed.

  66. 66.

    Mike in NC

    Bob Dole fell off a stage campaigning back in ’96. Nobody cared. Think there might be a double standard?

  70. 70.

    Trentrunner

    Just for the sake of discussion, let’s say Hillary pulls out of the race tomorrow for health reasons.

    Who becomes the nominee? Is Kaine automatically? Or does the DNCommittee reconvene and pick someone?

  71. 71.

    liberal

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    When racists (IE, Republicans) look at Obama, they see Donald Trump.

    It’s not directly a racism thing. No Democratic president is legitimate to them.

    It could definitely be argued that it’s due to racism in a more direct way because the Dems are in favor of not denying welfare to the blahs.

  73. 73.

    liberal

    @Shell: Yeah, Hillary will cream Trump. Assuming she doesn’t faint. Which is probably a good assumption, but who knows for sure?

  74. 74.

    Omnes Omnibus

    OT: FWIW the site appears to be inaccessible from Firefox. I an getting a screen saying the secure connection failed with error code: SEC_ERROR_OCSP_BAD_SIGNATURE

  77. 77.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    @Kay: Until she’s taken to the hospital, I’m going to assume she’s fine. And even afterward if the docs report that she’s fine.

    She ran herself ragged as SoS and had only a minor well-reported incident. She’s got good genes (her mother lived to, what, 92?).

    The Teabaggers are desperate for anything to bring Hillary down. This is just more of the same.

    There’s no there there unless someone independent with expertise and a first-hand examination says otherwise.

    My $0.02.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  78. 78.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    @Omnes Omnibus: Interesting. I see the same thing (FF on Winders). Turning off ABP and Ghostery made no difference.

    I haven’t tried an older version of FF.

    Chrome still works fine.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  80. 80.

    Aleta

    @Dog Dawg Damn: Guessing dehydration. Chest cold, air travel, super hot weather, air conditioners, crowds. I used to watch the amazing effects whenever my mom or old cats got IV fluids; dehydration crept up on their bodies and behavior in nonobvious ways. It was like seeing a flower be watered and stand up again.

  85. 85.

    Iowa Old Lady

    I’m having to set more troll filters than usual because I just can’t take the stupidity anymore. I look at people like Kellyanne Conway or internet trolls and I think, “This is serious. How do you sleep nights given what you’re doing?”

  87. 87.

    Major Major Major Major

    I’m worried about the Hillary overheating thing because Chris Chinchilla said it’s a legitimate issue now. This has leaked into the mainstream press. I don’t know if it will matter, and I’m just going to play video games and do my Google puzzles today, so I can’t be that worried. But I’m a lil worried.

    ETA: “Worried” is not necessarily a rational emotion, before y’all pounce on me.

  88. 88.

    Davey C

    Regardless of its merits (or likely total lack thereof), this is will be the top story on Right Wing media for the next several days because it feeds into a narrative that they’re already trying to push, and it will therefore become a story in the broader media. It’s already front page on the NY Times website. My mental health doesn’t need this shit.

  93. 93.

    hovercraft

    @Dog Dawg Damn:
    I’ve seen it, and it just looks like she’s a bit wobbly. It’s hot as hell and very humid here today, she was standing out in the heat for a while, she’s wearing a dark suit. If she’s dying then she made a remarkable recovery, walking out of her daughters apartment unassisted two hours later.

  97. 97.

    JPL

    @Corner Stone: Tim Kaine is a strong VP candidate, and Hillary might end up getting more votes.

    Thanks for the link to the Reno speech. I wish she’d give that speech again.

  98. 98.

    WaterGirl

    @hovercraft: @debbie: If you’ve ever been in a wedding, they always tell you to be careful when you’re standing there – lots of perfectly healthy people faint when standing when it’s hot.

  99. 99.

    WaterGirl

    @JPL: Did she say she shot a man in Reno just to watch him die? Because if that’s what she said it would definitely be newsworthy!

  100. 100.

    Major Major Major Major

    Most of the normal media coverage I’ve seen has been to the effect of “while this was formerly in the realm of far-right conspiracy nuts, it will now be a campaign issue because we’re talking about it in this article” so it’s all very self-fulfilling. If it lasts past the next couple shiny objects I’ll start to worry I guess.

    ETA: @Aleta: I got pretty dizzy walking a couple miles over a big hill while dehydrated on Friday. It sucks. Wouldn’t surprise me if that’s what happened. It happens to me from time to time.

  102. 102.

    hovercraft

    @Kay:
    On msnbc so far they’ve been going with “faintgate” as the number one story, the latest polls as number two, and then the Trump foundation gate as number three. It’s getting some play, and I think the push back over the last ten days is making the producers stay on it more than they would have in the past.

  103. 103.

    Aleta

    @hovercraft: I hope when she is president she will try to outlaw our culture’s oppressive custom of sitting in the sun while wearing women’s shapewear underneath dark color, light-wool, semi-formal attire on hot muggy days

  107. 107.

    Bill Arnold

    @Hal:
    Jeebus. I’ve put off mowing the lawn so far today because of the heat+humidity, about 60 miles north of southern Manhattan. And I’m wearing shorts and t-shirt.
    Media might want to consider voluntarily self-immolation as an option.
    And nothing about D Trumps health. Frankly his sharpness appears to be much reduced relative to videos from 10 years ago, and he seems rather fragile emotionally.

  108. 108.

    Gindy51

    In the long run (a week) this will be a nothing burger. I am 10 years younger than Hillary, take zero medications, have never been hospitalized except for childbirth, I never get colds, flus, or allergies, and this happens to me when I get dehydrated. I always make sure I have plenty to drink and I blame her team for letting her get this way.

  110. 110.

    hovercraft

    @WaterGirl:
    For some bizarre reason the Alex Witt has been doing her best to play it off as just heatstroke, she even had a doctor on who with the disclaimer that she has not treated her, but said it would not be an unexpected reaction due to the heat, her age, schedule and standing for an extensive period of time for her to overheat, and her quick recovery would suggest just that. She said in medicine the most likely explanation is usually the correct one.

  111. 111.

    gene108

    @BR:

    I did.

    They sent me an app to cold call people from home.

    That was after a bit of screening, before sending it me that took a few days.

    No other communication, other than a daily barage of fundraising e-mails.

  112. 112.

    Major Major Major Major

    @gene108:

    They sent me an app to cold call people from home.

    It’s called phone-banking, and unless you’d rather travel to a battleground state, walk around, and knock on strangers’ doors, it’s what the campaign needs.

    ETA: They probably determined that you were a responsible adult who could handle it from home rather than coming into an office (which might not even be near you) and doing it from there. Phone banking and canvassing is kind of all a campaign does right now.

  114. 114.

    hovercraft

    @Aleta:
    Where is your petition for this new legislation, I would also like a stipulation that short women are attractive, thereby negating the need for us to wear high heels to appear normal and attractive. Standing around in high heels in a dark suit, in New York, on a hot humid day, is very unpleasant.

  115. 115.

    Hal

    What’s so difficult to believe about a 68 year old in a pantsuit got over heated? Especially when she’s fine not 2 hours later. People who buy into Clinton conspiracy theories are not Clinton supporters to begin with, and she’s not losing votes over this story. The media sucking does not mean every fear liberals have about this election is going to come true.

  119. 119.

    Larkspur

    I haven’t seen any of the optics and I’m not going to go looking for them, but just thinking about spending month after month of campaigning every day in appropriate lady-shoes makes me want to collapse. I don’t care if they are sensible pumps, lady-shoes are unnatural. Just thinking about it almost made me fall down, and I’m sitting in a chair. I want to buy Hillary some Jessica Jones boots.

  120. 120.

    hovercraft

    OK folks, it may very well be over, Chuck Todd has declared that Hillary has had a very bad, no good week, first she was lawyerly and defensive at the forum, then she made her ‘deplorable’ comment, which came just as she is trying to show herself as softer and gentler side to the people. David Brooks says that worse than the word deplorable, was the word ‘irredeemable’, because no religion in the world believes that anyone is irredeemable, and it shows her dark Nixonian side. Tom Brokow thinks the setting of the comments confirm to someone in Iowa that she is elitist and is accusing them of being racist. Todd asks Stephanie if the comment is indefensible, and she says no, the only mistake is the word half.

  121. 121.

    cckids

    @Elizabelle:

    September 11 is actually the national remembrance of political malpractice, although it’s not yet acknowledged as such. Because the mouthpieces and bad actors are still out there, getting paid.

    Agreed. I can honor the people who fought and struggled to save victims and their remains that day (and for weeks afterwards). Also the armed forces who were thrown on the bonfire of Cheney and Bush’s ambition. The politicians and others who just reveled in the fear and whipped up more should all rot.

    Jim Wright / Stonekettle Station agrees as well.

  123. 123.

    WaterGirl

    @JPL: Ah. Not quite as good, but maybe close!

    I wish she would stop using the alt-right terminology because most people have no idea what that is. Hope she was calling it like it is in her speech.

    Anyone who has been paying attention to anything I write here will know that I am not Hillary’s biggest fan. But all this “one set of rules for trump and another set of rules for Hillary” bullshit has only made me tune out every negative thing that is said about her. Sorry, but if the sky is always falling and there is no there there, they may as well not be saying anything at all. Maybe if someone wrote a children’s story about the sky falling or crying wolf, these people would be able to understand it.

  124. 124.

    Dog Dawg Damn

    @debbie: Her entourage was reportedly 50 feet away from Trump. Considering I vomit nearly every time I see him on TV, her fainting spell is entirely reasonable.

  126. 126.

    Major Major Major Major

    @WaterGirl:

    Of course there has always been a paranoid fringe in our politics, a lot of it rising from racial resentment. But it’s never had the nominee of a major party stoking it, encouraging it, and giving it a national megaphone. Until now.

    On David Duke’s radio show the other day, the mood was jubilant.

    “We appear to have taken over the Republican Party,” one white supremacist said.

    Duke laughed. “No, there’s still more work to do,” he replied.

    So no one should have any illusions about what’s really going on here. The names may have changed. Racists now call themselves “racialists.” White supremacists now call themselves “white nationalists.” The paranoid fringe now calls itself “alt-right.” But the hate burns just as bright.

    And now Trump is trying to rebrand himself as well. But don’t be fooled.

    There’s an old Mexican proverb that says “Tell me with whom you walk, and I will tell you who you are.”

    We know who Trump is. A few words on a teleprompter won’t change that.

    He says he wants to “make America great again,” but more and more it seems as though his real message seems to be “Make America hate again.”

  127. 127.

    Aleta

    @Bill Arnold: Yes, well said esp the press idea.

    At least Trump’s had the spotlight taken off (his team’s coached) focus on terror-izing voters today. His hypochondriac compulsion to attack her health may overwhelm the basket people theme they planned for this week, too.

  130. 130.

    hovercraft

    Tom Brokaw says neither of these candidates has been able to give a “shining city on the hill” speech, or a “I have a Dream” speech. They are both more concerned with dividing everyone. I’m always fascinated by the way the media acknowledges what Lee Atwater said and did as part of the Southern Strategy, but never acknowledges that Reagan and Bush were the one’s who employed it. Philadelphia, MS was a conscience decision, “bucks” and “welfare queens”, were the dog whistles Reagan used to get the racists to vote for him, and yet Brokaw is saying that his campaigning was to bring the country together. Maybe white people but not people like me. And Hillary is nothing like Trump, so Tom STFU.

  132. 132.

    WaterGirl

    @Major Major Major Major: I’d say the would fall under the definition of “calling it like it is”! Good for Hillary. I really don’t know how you get your message out to the people who won’t listen to you. If I had to guess, I’d say that most of the people listening to her speeches already like Hillary. I could be wrong, of course.

  133. 133.

    gogol's wife

    @WaterGirl:

    When I was a bridesmaid at a wedding when I was about 23 years old, I almost fainted. St. Louis, 95 degrees, un-airconditioned church basement.

  137. 137.

    Bill Arnold

    @CaseyL:
    Likewise, didn’t complain about it until now, am using Chrome fine.
    My firefox has both NoScript and HTTPs everywhere (and other add ons too); haven’t tried disabling them to see if related.

  138. 138.

    FlipYrWhig

    What made deplorable jurassicpork, laughingstock of the blogosphere for a decade and a half, raise his ridiculous head today?

  139. 139.

    Aleta

    @hovercraft: They want to get back on message (her disrespect, bigotry and doggone it just not likable) because the health thing will bring back Trump’s doctor story.

  140. 140.

    FlipYrWhig

    @hovercraft: Tom Brokaw is a guy who can’t fucking talk who nonetheless emotes over glory and honor and eloquence nonstop. He’s way past his due date.

  141. 141.

    hovercraft

    @debbie:
    I worked in retail management for nearly 20 years, and one of the tips a veteran told me was to alternate heels and flats, of course my feet and back seconded that advice.

  142. 142.

    Elie

    I just hope that she is ok and can beat back what you know is gonna be non-stop media fixation about this “fainting” episode. It really could not come at a worse time but that’s politics. Ugh Hope that she is truly rested and ready for the next round which is gonna be brutal given this event. She just has to get past it and redouble her stiff spine on all maters including the “deplorables”…

  143. 143.

    FlipYrWhig

    @hovercraft: By the way, notice how every story Chuck Todd tells is about how other people are reacting to stuff and why their reactions matter and why the candidate should manage other people’s reactions to stuff and what it means if they don’t manage other people’s reactions to stuff in such a way that other people react to it well and what that means for the next wave of reactions to stuff. It’s an endless spiral of self-negating, self-reinforcing bullshit. It’s his entire approach to his nominal job. Good lord.

  144. 144.

    The Dangerman

    Hillary just used up her get out of jail card and Biden is warming up in the bullpen (yes, I’ll mix and match my metaphors, TYVM). That, whatever it was, can’t happen again.

    I’ve guessed previously that we’re going to have an October Surprise that will shock us all to the core (and I’ve earlier guessed it would be Trump dropping out). Still sense that surprise coming; 2016 has been nothing if not a wild ride.

  146. 146.

    Corner Stone

    By contrast, Trump recently canceling several planned events over a number of days just elided by. No comment needed. Apparently.

  147. 147.

    Aleta

    @hovercraft: And the Willie Horton scheme conveniently led to the debate question to Dukakis about rape.
    eta: conveniently resulting in attacks on his manliness.

  148. 148.

    hovercraft

    @Aleta:
    Trump’s doctor story is not going away, Rachel reported at the end of the week that Trump and his doctor are going on Dr. Oz to discuss his health. Dr. Oz was one of the people who speculated about Hillary’s ‘illness’, so I suspect it will be the three of them speculating about what life threatening illness is about to addle her brain and kill her.

  149. 149.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @The Dangerman:

    Hillary just used up her get out of jail card and Biden is warming up in the bullpen (yes, I’ll mix and match my metaphors, TYVM). That, whatever it was, can’t happen again.

    Complete horseshit.

  150. 150.

    Corner Stone

    @The Dangerman:

    Hillary just used up her get out of jail card and Biden is warming up in the bullpen (yes, I’ll mix and match my metaphors, TYVM). That, whatever it was, can’t happen again.

    What was it? What was it that can’t happen again?

  152. 152.

    JPL

    @hovercraft: What’s the over/under, that Trump and Dr. Oz talk about Hillary’s health scare.
    That will be the focus of the discussion for sure. Trump’s health will only be mentioned to say he’s the healthiest evah

  153. 153.

    FlipYrWhig

    @Corner Stone: the story I can’t believe wasn’t a bigger deal was the one where Trump’s campaign, maybe one of his idiot kids, said his VP would be in charge of both foreign and domestic policy. If that had been said by a Democrat it would be endlessly repeated and remembered forever as the remark that doomed the candidate. This time, no one even appears to remember it at all.

  154. 154.

    The Dangerman

    @Corner Stone:

    What was it? What was it that can’t happen again?

    Answered already; “whatever it was”. I won’t try to guess further.

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Complete horseshit.

    Who, or WHO, should I believe; say, someone like Billmon, who’s always proven himself to be a wise soul, or Omnes? I guess I choose Billmon.

  155. 155.

    Bill Arnold

    @Major Major Major Major:
    My impression as a male is that it’s mainly about increasing height, and I presume for many, the self-confidence inspired by increased height.
    FWIW, flats on normal height or short women are an indicator of self-confidence (to me at least).

  157. 157.

    Corner Stone

    @The Dangerman: If you don’t know, then how in the fuck can you fucking say it can’t happen again?
    Get the fuck out of here with your garbage time horseshit.

  159. 159.

    Bill Arnold

    @The Dangerman:

    I’ve guessed previously that we’re going to have an October Surprise that will shock us all to the core…

    Having similar intuitions, though the form is pretty amorphous. Would be nice to be wrong.

  161. 161.

    Corner Stone

    @The Dangerman: The guy calling this a “Category 6 Hurricane” even though he also has no idea what actually did or didn’t happen?
    Bunch of clownshoe shit.

  162. 162.

    The Dangerman

    @Corner Stone:

    If you don’t know, then how in the fuck can you fucking say it can’t happen again?

    Think back to 2008; let’s say McCain did “it” (whatever it was). You really saying that it wouldn’t have been an issue, especially with Palin in the wings? Really?

  165. 165.

    FlyingToaster

    @Dog Dawg Damn: I fainted from overexertion (yardwork, 85°, sunny, humid) a week ago; it took me several hours (and about a gallon of ice water) to get back to normal.

    So this doesn’t seem like as nearly a big a deal to me, as a 50+ woman. If her condition is anything like mine, she needs to get home (not Chelsea’s) and zone out in front of a TV for about 3 hours, and then go walkabout to make sure she hasn’t cooked her endocrine system*. If there is a real problem, she’ll still have balance problems at 4-6 hours out and needs to go get checked. Clinton might anyway, just to make sure she isn’t getting dehydrated during these marathon appearances.

    * My mom did this; it’s been a decade of worry for us kids because she didn’t actually quit what she was doing before she fainted, and this had lasting effects.

  166. 166.

    Corner Stone

    @FlipYrWhig: He’s “wearing many hats” right now. Can’t blame a guy for focusing on running a business while he’s President of the United States.

  167. 167.

    WaterGirl

    @Corner Stone: I suspect he was trying to say that whatever happened with Hillary – tripped, lost a shoe, dehydrated, overheated from kevlar, etc – it will be a much bigger deal if it happens a second time.

  168. 168.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @The Dangerman: Neither you nor Billmon know what happened. I don’t either. Since I don’t know and she has seemed perfectly healthy up until now, I am not going to panic. .

  170. 170.

    Keith G

    @Elie:

    I just hope that she is ok and can beat back what you know is gonna be non-stop media fixation about this “fainting” episode.

    It may come to the point where it becomes wise to release a full** physical exam medical record the way presidents did during the Cold War (“Our leaders are healthier than your guys!!”). That’s assuming that such detail does not contain problems. Whatever the case, HRC needs to be sure all external appearances are awesome from here on out.

    Until the last two days, the Clinton campaign has been doing a good job of helping to keep the focus on Trump. Too bad that has changed for a bit.

    **acknowledging that they were never fully detailed.

  172. 172.

    Corner Stone

    @WaterGirl: No, he was not. He was saying he’s not voting for Hillary and at the same time he’s deeply, deeply concerned about the optics of this.
    She may as well just step aside now and let the big strong white guy step in and win the presidency.

  175. 175.

    Aleta

    I think we need stories in the press on how Trump’s ideas would affect the military. There are people here who could do a good job on that I believe.

  176. 176.

    Elie

    Alls I know, (and I don’t mean to be unsympathetic), but — she had better bring it. She wanted this and we fought to give her the nomination. Our fate is in her hands to a large extent and truly, the fate of the free world and sanity is in her hands. If she doesn’t feel well or up to it, she had better clue somebody in so that we can do what needs to be done in enough time. I support her, will work for her unlike I have worked for anyone including Obama — I have already sent her way more money than I sent O — But I could give two craps about her if she can’t get this job done. Too much at stake.. so she had better pull up those britches, put some Vaseline on that face and get back in this ring. OR let us know right now…. NOW.

  178. 178.

    FlyingToaster

    @Omnes Omnibus: @Bill Arnold: @CaseyL: Same here; I’m using Safari at the moment.

    Unfortunately, any browser use is crashing the box, as something has gone tits up in my OS installation. I’m so looking forward to getting the thumb drive, creating a recovery disk on same, wiping the onboard HD, reinstalling El Capitan, reinstalling EVERY FUCKING APP, and only then risking adding my user account back in from Time Machine.

    There have been problems all along, which I’m beginning to suspect that Migration Assistant munged something ‘way back in January. ARRRRGGGGGHHHH.

  182. 182.

    Taylor

    @The Dangerman: Given your reaction to HRC feeling wobbly, I recommend Depends.

    Putin blew up some apartment buildings in Moscow, so he could blame it on Chechen rebels and win re-election. That’s the kind of October Surprise you should be worried about.

  183. 183.

    The Dangerman

    @Corner Stone:

    No, he was not.

    Yes, actually, “he was”.

    He was saying he’s not voting for Hillary…

    True enough; I’m afforded that luxury given I live in California. If someone wants to offer me a nice job in a swing state and pay moving expenses, I’ll vote for Hillary. Gladly. Trump has as much chance of winning California as a Republican does of winning the Senate here (since they don’t have anyone running … or do they as a write-in, I haven’t really been following closely).

    … and let the big strong white guy step in and win the presidency.

    ROFL. Really? OK, I change my mind. Biden’s not warming up in the bullpen; how about Elizabeth Warren?

  186. 186.

    gene108

    @hovercraft:

    Tom Brokaw says neither of these candidates has been able to give a “shining city on the hill” speech, or a “I have a Dream” speech.

    I think Rev. Barber could.

    Both Cotton Mather* (City Upon a Hill) and Martin Luther King, Jr. (I have a Dream) were religious men, in their own way.

    I’m not sure a politician can pull off spirituality.

    * Might be referring to Reagan’s use of Mather’s speech.

  188. 188.

    WaterGirl

    @Omnes Omnibus: This discussion has gotten me thinking about how we approached risk management in an IT setting, where we looked at the impact of say, a catastrophic event, and the likelihood of that event occurring.

    We all deal with uncertainly differently. I think it’s fair to say that all sane people here at BJ think that Trump being president would qualify as a catastrophic event. Add to that we have the uncertainty of the next 8 weeks and all the things that could go wrong. Some people think we just have to work our butts off and that if we do that the likelihood of Trump winning is very slim. Others may think the same thing, but they have a higher level of BUT WHAT IF HE ACTUALLY DID WIN screaming at them from some part of their brain.

    I’m not at all sure that “how much we worry” or “how worried are we” is altogether based on facts and logic – facts and logic can keep the BUT WHAT IF HE ACTUALLY DID WIN more in check for some people than for other people.

    In 2008, Al Giordano was able to pull people back from the brink so they could stay focused and keep on doing what we needed to do to win. (Maybe he’s doing that in twitter these days, but that’s not as powerful for me as his biog was because I am not a twitter girl.)

    For me the trick is to try to accurately discern who is really alarmed and is coming to the group to express their concerns or ask for reassurance and who is coming with an intent to disrupt and sow fear with the aim of make us less effective in our work or discouraging us from voting. The second group is definitely the enemy, but for what it’s worth, I don’t think the first group is.

  190. 190.

    WaterGirl

    @Corner Stone: I didn’t catch the “not voting for Hillary” part. I didn’t draw the same conclusion you did about “let the white guy step in”, but I can see how it could be read that way.

  191. 191.

    ruemara

    @Dog Dawg Damn: Dude. You just compared HRC to your dying dog. You’re god damned right you are not a doctor. Set yourself down and drink a damned chamomile for your fucking nerves because you are unhinged.

  193. 193.

    FlyingToaster

    @Aleta: She decided to join a gym; went to work out, and passed out. Then when she came to, she sat there, drank a bottle of water, and then finished her workout.

    The next day she decided to do her yardwork — in SW Florida. In May. And passed out and her neighbors called the ambulance and after a week of hell, it was determined that she’d screwed up her internal temp controls.

    To this day she doesn’t sweat properly when she gets overheated. So a number of previously “normal” activities are simply out of bounds (walking outside in the afternoon between Apr 1 and Nov 1, for instance).

  194. 194.

    WaterGirl

    @Omnes Omnibus: Well, I hadn’t remembered that The Dangerman had previously stated that he is not voting for Hillary. That does change the equation for me. Yeah, it’s one thing to make a statement that you don’t want Hillary, but it’s another thing to do it in a year when the alternative is Trump.

    I think the strong message has to be sent that Trump doesn’t deserve even one vote, and even a “not voting for president” or voting for the third party candidates is absolutely irresponsible this year. In any state.

  196. 196.

    The Dangerman

    @WaterGirl:

    I didn’t catch the “not voting for Hillary” part.

    I don’t get who I am voting for really makes a difference (actually, unless my read on when absentees come out is wrong, I won’t be voting for anyone unless my upcoming road trip ends early); complaining about who I’m voting for is analogous to the Trumpeters complaining about the Never Trumpers from the Right. It’s ridiculous.

  197. 197.

    Corner Stone

    @WaterGirl: He is a bigot, a misogynist and a full on concern troll. That’s not opinion. Ask him about Michael Sam. And see his repeated affirmations of why he will not vote for Hillary. He’s ducking behind being in deep blue CA but that’s bullshit. He wouldn’t vote for a woman for president, no matter what the alternative was.

  198. 198.

    hovercraft

    @gene108: @Omnes Omnibus:
    His point is that Reagans use of “Shining City on The Hill”, brought the country together, which is bullshit. Reagan was not a uniter, he scapegoated black people to black people, to bring “Reagan democrats” to his side. The media never acknowledges this, they have bought into the mythologizing about him. The stories about his approval rating and his landslide victories also don’t mention that the percentage of white voters was so much higher then, and what brought many of them into the party was a promise to beat back the black people into their place. The roots of the republican effort to undo the voting rights act are found in the Reagan administration. John Roberts I’m looking at you. Reagan was a very destructive president, economically, racially, judicially, and in beginning the deliberate sabotage of the Federal government.

  199. 199.

    The Dangerman

    @Corner Stone:

    He wouldn’t vote for a woman for president, no matter what the alternative was.

    Elizabeth Warren. Perhaps Gillebrand. Harris is excellent, too. I’m sure there are many, many more.

    Ask him about Michael Sam.

    Remind me how many downs Sam played in the NFL.

    ETA: Regular season, I mean.

    ETA2: I think I addressed other points; I don’t have a clue what I might have ever posted that could be considered bigoted.

  200. 200.

    Juju

    @gogol’s wife: Hillary is also a fair skinned woman. I too am fair hair and skinned. I don’t like standing in the sun, heat and humidity. I’m a substitute teacher and last fall, on a warmish day, around 80 degrees. I had to take a class outside with some sort of meadowlands specialist. I was out in direct sunlight and in heat and humidity for about 45 minutes. By the end of that time I thought I was going to pass out. the kids noticed and it was a bit of a spectacle. I have never fainted in my life. I’m a bit over 50 and in good health, but if you’d seen me that day I would have scared you a bit. I recovered in about 20 minutes and I’ve been fine ever since. I understand what Hillary went through and I’m still with her.

  201. 201.

    WaterGirl

    @Corner Stone:

    He wouldn’t vote for a woman for president, no matter what the alternative was.

    Ugh. Even the racist at the door in Indiana said “I guess I have to vote for the nigger” after McCain said the economy was good and he picked Palin. You’d have to really hate women to choose Trump over the only serious challenger, who happens to be female.

    P.S. No disparaging of Michael Sam or I will cut you. :-)

  202. 202.

    hovercraft

    @FlyingToaster: @FlyingToaster:
    My Dad about 20 years ago woke up one Sunday and decided to go jogging after not exercising for years, when he got home he felt faint and began throwing up. I assumed it was heat stroke, and so we called 911, turns out he was having a heart attack. Fortunately it’s was still in progress when he arrived at the hospital, so the damage was somewhat limited.
    What Hillary had looked from afar to be a dizzy spell, the fact that she recovered so fast is encouraging. I think if she or her campaign thought it was serious, they would have gone to a hospital not to her daughters apartment and then home.

  203. 203.

    ruemara

    @WaterGirl: One more week. I’m trying to train the admin to be a marcom professional. And the management just enfuriated our tech/operations manager/online learning support/5 other things guy into quitting. When I go, there’s going to be one person with 2 weeks experience with our company providing support for 400 customers. We’re ideally an office of 4 at minimum.

  204. 204.

    The Dangerman

    @WaterGirl:

    You’d have to really hate women to choose Trump….

    That’s probably not directed at me, but I’m not voting Trump. Again, I’m probably not voting anyone this time around (I mean, not voting at all; I’ll be busy … OK, I’ll share a little about why I’m disappearing for while and that is because I’m the Court appointed Conservator for a not long for this world relative and I’m going to go take care of things … and visit for a long while … much more important than worrying about voting in this election, actually, I mean, given my State of residence).

  205. 205.

    WaterGirl

    @ruemara: One more week! I’m glad you are getting out.

    As for the rest, it sounds like they are experiencing the natural consequences of their own behavior.

  206. 206.

    gene108

    @hovercraft:

    I know the reference was to Reagan, but (aside from getting my Pilgrim preachers confused), I was trying to make a joke and failed badly.

    The country was a lot more conservative in the 1980’s.

    I watch some talk shows, from the 1980’s, and it is amazing how far we’ve come in social tolerance and not getting or knickers-in-a-knot over perceived non-conformity.

    Song lyrics, music videos, D&D, were all contaminating our youth with vulgar language, sexual images and satanic indoctrination.

    Tattoos and body piercings were signs of rebellion and non-conformity. Men with earrings were presumed homosexuals.

    Outside of “The Jeffersons” there were no interracial couples on T.V., let alone the suggestions interracial couples would even so much as kiss.

    It was a lot easier to appeal to voters the way Reagan did back then.

  212. 212.

    hovercraft

    @gene108:
    That’s what scares them, their old way of winning only works in jerry-mandered congressional races and off year elections when many minorities and young people don’t turn out. Plus their base is dying.

  213. 213.

    The Dangerman

    @gogol’s wife:

    YOU NEED TO VOTE FOR EITHER CLINTON OR TRUMP.

    Well, I’m not voting for either one; I’m not sure who I’d vote for if I was actually voting … but, again, I’m probably not voting so it doesn’t much matter.

  214. 214.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    @The Dangerman: IIRC, (I haven’t read the whole thread), you’ve mentioned before that you would be out of the country. I don’t understand why that would prevent you from voting. In Virginia, you can apply to vote by mail a year before the election day. Alternatively, do you qualify under FVAP?

    You can’t be the only person out of the country for a month before the election. It would seem very strange for you not to qualify to vote.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  215. 215.

    workworkwork

    @WaterGirl: When I first started teaching, I stood a lot and had a tendency to lock my knees. During my first term I passed out at least twice during class. From then on, I kept my knees bent and made sure I moved around the room and, voila, no problems.

    So what I guess I’m saying is, I’m qualified to be President.

  216. 216.

    WaterGirl

    @workworkwork: Not sure it’s right for you to go behind Baud’s back – saying you’re qualified to be president – when he’s out of the country. Whatever happened to politics ending at the shore, or something like that. :-)

  217. 217.

    The Dangerman

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet:

    ….you’ve mentioned before that you would be out of the country. I don’t understand why that would prevent you from voting.

    Not out of country; just not home. I’m not leaving the state of CA. I’m already registered absentee in CA (and have been for …. 10 years? 20 years? it’s been a while). I googled for options for people (i.e., Californians, but maybe it applies in all states) that are traveling and got this link. I’m neither military nor overseas so I don’t qualify. The same thing applies to FVAP.

    To make everyone happier, if I DO get back before the deadline (I assume the postmark date is the deadline), I’ll vote absentee; I don’t know for sure when I will be home. I do know, to a near certainty, that I will be in Eureka (California) on November 1st. It could be later (I’m meeting somebody there on that day, so I’m dependent on THEIR travel, too), but it won’t be earlier; once I become are Party of Two, I have at least 3 days of things to do (still in Eureka), maybe a few more, I really don’t know. So, earliest I’m home is … well, do the math. It’s probably 20/80 against being home in time. Oh, well.

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