Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

“I never thought they’d lock HIM up,” sobbed a distraught member of the Lock Her Up Party.

Putting aside our relentless self-interest because the moral imperative is crystal clear.

Boeing: repeatedly making the case for high speed rail.

It’s not hopeless, and we’re not helpless.

The US Supreme Court is on the ballot in november.

DeSantis transforming Florida into 1930s Germany with gators and theme parks.

American History and Black History can not be separated.

Black Jesus loves a paper trail.

Fight for a just cause, love your fellow man, live a good life.

Republicans want to make it harder to vote and easier for them to cheat.

They fucked up the fucking up of the fuckup!

Trump’s legal defense is going to be a dumpster fire inside a clown car on a derailing train.

Never entrust democracy to any process that requires republicans to act in good faith.

I am pretty sure Katy Tur wasn’t always such a bootlicking sycophant.

‘Museums aren’t America’s attic for its racist shit.’

Motown is Joe-Town!

We’ve had enough carrots to last a lifetime. break out the sticks.

The new republican ‘Pastor’ of the House is an odious authoritarian little creep.

The gop is a fucking disgrace.

You don’t get to peddle hatred on saturday and offer condolences on sunday.

And we’re all out of bubblegum.

Give the craziest people you know everything they want and hope they don’t ask for more? Great plan.

These days, even the boring Republicans are nuts.

It’s a new day. Light all those Biden polls of young people on fire and throw away the ashes.

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Reminder Open Thread: Trump’s Undercard Mike Pence Is Also Deplorable

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What with one thing and another, I didn’t get to post this draft last week, but Pence’s latest LAWN ORDURE! news conference reminded me…

The more out-of-control Trump acts, the more the “establishment” Republicans try to pretend he’s some kind of unpredictable phenomenon that came down upon their beleaguered party like a new version of Ebola. Let’s not let them get away with this, because the standard GOPers on offer are no better:


If the great, lamented Doghouse O’Reilly weren’t already dead, Pence’s VP candidacy would probably kill him.

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  2. 2.

    jacy

    Color me pissed off. I just received the following email from my son’s high school:

    Dear XXX Students and Parents,

    This email is to inform you of the expectations we have for our student-athletes, student body, and fans during the playing of our National Anthem.
    The following is required:
    1. Athlete and spectators are to stand and face the flag with eyes on the flag.
    2. The right hand is to be placed over the heart.
    3. Athletes and spectators should remain in this position from the beginning until the end of the National Anthem.
    4. Male athletes and spectators are to remove any type of head covering.
    Athletes or spectators who exhibit any outward display other than what is listed above in an attempt to show disrespect, or promote a personal agenda during the playing of our National Anthem will be removed from the sideline or stands, not permitted to participate in the contest, and face disciplinary action from XXX High School.

    Thank you,
    Fascist Asshole
    Dean of Students and Athletic Director

    (Okay, so I added the Fascist Asshole part)

  3. 3.

    Felonius Monk

    There’s a little piece of paper in Trump’s wallet that used to be Mike Pence’s self-respect.

    I don’t believe this. Mike Pence never had any self-respect.

  4. 4.

    dmsilev

    Mike Pence in Iowa –> “The truth is, the other party spends a whole lot of time dividing. … Name calling — we know better than that.”

    I know Mike Pence has a reputation of being a bit of a dim bulb, but has anyone told him yet that he’s running as Donald Trump’s running mate?

  7. 7.

    Betsy

    @jacy: i can’t wait for the first section1983 lawsuit against the school district on behalf of someone “removed” according to this memo. It clearly didn’t get run by the legal department.

  9. 9.

    jacy

    @Comrade Scrutinizer:

    Makes me want to go to a fucking game so I can see them try to drag me out of the stands.

    There was a game tonight, so I wonder if something happened to cause them to send out this email. I know it wasn’t my kid, because he doesn’t go to the games…. But it would have been my kid, because I’ve taught them that they should never feel compelled to stand for the National Anthem, say the Pledge, or participate in any group thing if they feel they shouldn’t, for whatever reason. Forcing someone to honor something makes it meaningless. Forcing someone to honor the flag is the ultimate show of disrespect for the flag. IRONY.

  13. 13.

    Jeffro

    Pence is not even worth the electrons it’s taking to type this. He is actually dumber than Donald Trump, which is not easy.

  15. 15.

    hovercraft

    @jacy:
    I would write back and tell the to go fuck themselves. This is America and if my son or I choose to sit or kneel, we can, it’s our right as Americans. If they want to live in a country with mandatory patriotic gestures they can move to China or North Korea. Assholes.

  16. 16.

    JGabriel

    It’s Friday night, I’m sick of Trump (and Pence, in parentheses because he feels like little more than a parenthetical remark), we need a music thread, and I guess I’m in an 80’s mood, because here’s some mid-80’s Brit Alterna-Pop:

    Inbetween Days – The Cure
    The Ghost In You – The Psychedelic Furs
    Thieves Like Us – New Order

  17. 17.

    hovercraft

    He is so deplorable that his own Lieutenant Governor who is running to replace him won’t say his name. He makes references to Mitch Daniels and the things they achieved together, but when referring to things that happened during the current governor he refers to our administration. So in a red state where you are the governor your name is so toxic that you are “he cannot be named”. And to top it off the guy is trailing the democrat just like Pence was.

  19. 19.

    Steve in the ATL

    @JGabriel:

    Inbetween Days – The Cure
    The Ghost In You – The Psychedelic Furs
    Thieves Like Us – New Order

    Excellent choices, though I’m surprised you didn’t throw in one by your brother Peter

  21. 21.

    sukabi

    @jacy: holy shit. Talk about a GROSS over step. Sounds like time for either a boycott of their games by students parents and community and or large sitdown protest. Sounds like there’s a first amendment lawsuit waiting to happen.

  22. 22.

    Mnemosyne

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Traditionally, ladies never remove their hats in public, so that’s why only men are specified. There’s a grey area when women wear traditionally male hats (like baseball caps) — some etiquette mavens say they should remove them, others say that the type of hat doesn’t matter and it’s the fact that a lady is wearing it that means it doesn’t have to be removed.

  27. 27.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @jacy: 1. Athlete and spectators are to stand and face the flag with eyes on the flag.
    2. The right hand is to be placed over the heart.

    does a flag count as a graven image?

  29. 29.

    Mnemosyne

    @randy khan:

    I’m guessing that a Catholic school is going to assume that they won’t get too many traditional Jewish men in the stands, but that’s definitely a potential area of embarrassing disaster in small-town Louisiana.

  33. 33.

    JGabriel

    More music. I guess it’s not just the eighties I’m nostalgic for:

    Who took the bomp? I’m outta fucking time!
    Deceptacon – Le Tigre (Kathleen Hanna, Sadie Benning, Johanna Fateman)

    I am Un! Chien! Andalusia!
    Debaser – The Pixies

    I’ll be your plastic toy …
    Just Like Honey – Jesus & Mary Chain

  37. 37.

    rikyrah

    Greg SargentVerified account
    ‏@ThePlumLineGS
    Everyone says that to win the debate, Clinton must bait Trump into being unhinged. I call bullshit:

  40. 40.

    ? Martin

    @rikyrah: I don’t remotely think she needs to bait him into being unhinged in order to win the debate, I just want her to do it for sport.

  44. 44.

    NotMax

    @jacy

    Must admit to never understanding the connection, if any, of sport events with the anthem.

    Does the school play it prior to the high school band giving a concert? Before the curtain goes up on a performance by the drama department? Introductory to inter-scholastic chess matches? Why single out sports as being somehow tied to the anthem or flag?

    That said, the school is entirely in the wrong, based on your information. Even more liable if they receive any state or federal monies. Contact the school superintendent (or the archdiocese, if that applies) to register your displeasure.

  47. 47.

    Adam L Silverman

    @NotMax:
    http://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/6957582/the-history-national-anthem-sports-espn-magazine

    THAT STORY BEGINS, as so many tales in modern American sports do, with Babe Ruth. History records various games in which “The Star-Spangled Banner” was played dating from the mid-1800s, but Ruth’s last postseason appearances for the Boston Red Sox coincided with the song’s first unbreakable bond with the sports world, in 1918. Game 1 of that year’s World Series was notable for many reasons. For starters, the Red Sox and the opposing Cubs were considered champs back then. After 1918, they would serve as symbols of futility; neither won a title for the rest of the century. But at the time, the Cubs were so highly regarded that their World Series home was not Wrigley Field (then Weeghman Park), which seated only 14,000 fans; the National League champs instead rented out the White Sox’s Comiskey Park, which accommodated about 30,000.

    There was also World War I, which blackened everything, including the national pastime. The U.S. had entered the war 17 months earlier, and in that time some 100,000 American soldiers died. Veterans who survived often came home maimed or shell-shocked from encounters with modern warfare’s first mechanized mass-killing machines. At home, the public mood was sullen and anxious. The war strained the economy and the workforce, including baseball’s. The government began drafting major leaguers for military service that summer and ordered baseball to end the regular season by Labor Day. As a result, the 1918 Series was the lone October Classic played entirely in September.

    World War I wasn’t the only issue weighing heavily on fans. On Sept. 4, the day before the first game, a bomb ripped through the Chicago Federal Building, killing four people and injuring 30. The Industrial Workers of the World were thought to be behind the attack, a retaliation for the conviction of several IWW members on federal sedition charges in the court of Judge Kenesaw Mountain Landis. (Two years later, Landis was appointed commissioner of baseball, a position he held until 1944.) Domestic terrorism didn’t exactly generate interest in a lighthearted day at the ball game. For the opener at Comiskey, newspapers optimistically estimated that a sellout crowd would drop anywhere from 50 cents for a bleacher ticket to $3 for a box seat. When only 19,000 and change showed, a Chicago Herald-Examiner headline proclaimed, “Scalpers Are Making No Money.”

    Although the Cubs festooned the park in as much red, white and blue as possible, the glum crowd in the stands for Game 1 remained nearly silent through most of Ruth’s 1-0 shutout victory over Chicago’s Hippo Vaughn. Not even the Cubs Claws, the forerunners to Wrigley’s Bleacher Bums, could gin up enthusiasm. “For a baseball game in a world’s Championship series,” the Chicago Tribune wrote, “yesterday’s combat between the Cubs and Red Sox was perhaps the quietest on record.”

  56. 56.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    anybody seeing any reliable info on the mall shooting in WA? MSNBC is in reruns and CNN is covering Charlotte. I kind of suspect twitter is not reliable

  57. 57.

    Adam L Silverman

    @NotMax: Yep. I would have preferred My Country Tis of Thee or America the Beautiful. Both also used as informal national anthems until the official decision was made.

  62. 62.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Here’s a reliable twitter feed from the sergeant in the Washington State Patrol who is his district’s public affairs officer:
    https://twitter.com/wspd7pio?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
    (includes fuzzy picture of the suspected shooter)

    Also, here:
    https://twitter.com/SkagitDEM

    Here’s the most recently updated reliable news media source I could find:
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/report-active-shooter-mall-burlington-washington/story?id=42321253

    A gunman is on the loose after four people were fatally shot Friday night at a shopping mall about 65 miles north of Seattle, Washington State Patrol said.

    The shooting occurred at Cascade Mall in Burlington, Washington.

    “4 confirmed deceased in the mall, shooter(s) left scene b4 police arrived, unknown # of shooter, possibly just 1, police clearing mall now,” Sgt. Mark Francis, a public information officer with Washington State Patrol tweeted at 8:03 p.m. local time.

    Sgt. Francis did not have a figure on the number of injured yet.

    Follow
    Sgt. Mark Francis @wspd7pio
    4 confirmed deceased in the mall, shooter(s) left scene b4 police arrived, unknown # of shooter, possibly just 1, police clearing mall now
    11:03 PM – 23 Sep 2016
    1,058 1,058 Retweets 260 260 likes
    As of 8:35 p.m. local time, police were still hunting for the suspect.

    Follow
    Sgt. Mark Francis @wspd7pio
    We’re actively searching for suspect, tracking leads, etc
    11:35 PM – 23 Sep 2016
    239 239 Retweets 148 148 likes
    Sgt. Francis described the shooter as a “Hispanic male wearing grey,” who who last seen walking toward Interstate 5.

    In a subsequent tweet, Sgt. Francis tweeted a photo of the suspect, writing “Here is the shooter. We believe just one shooter … Armed with rifle.”

    View image on Twitter
    View image on Twitter
    Follow
    Sgt. Mark Francis @wspd7pio
    Here is the shooter. We believe just one shooter. Notify authorities if you see him. Armed with rifle.
    12:20 AM – 24 Sep 2016
    223 223 Retweets 30 30 likes
    Law enforcement officers performed an initial sweep of the mall to ensure it had been evacuated. A secondary search is underway.

    Sgt. Francis said police began receiving calls of an active shooter before 7 p.m.

    In addition to state and local law enforcement, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, also said it was responding.

    Follow
    ATF HQ ✔ @ATFHQ
    ATF responding to active shooter in Burlington, WA.
    11:36 PM – 23 Sep 2016
    135 135 Retweets 58 58 likes
    About 20 minutes after Sgt. Francis tweeted the number of fatalities, he tweeted, “EMS starting to enter to attend to injured inside Mall w/ police escort and after initial clearance.”

    ABC News’ Benjamin Stein contributed to this report.

    This is a developing story. Please check back for updates.

  63. 63.

    piratedan

    just consider that I posted a link to The Replacements ” I will dare” and go find it yourselves :-)

  66. 66.

    tsquared2001

    @Adam L Silverman: My parents were called to the school when I wouldn’t say the “liberty and justice” for all part of the Pledge of Allegiance, so My Country, ‘Tis of Thee is right out.

    I can cosign America the Beautiful as long as it is stipulated that it is the Ray Charles version only.

  72. 72.

    Mnemosyne

    My cop cousin-in-law just posted on Facebook that the cops gave Keith Lamont Scott “clear commands.” I am desperately resisting the urge to ask if he’s 100 percent certain that those “clear commands” are automatically comprehensible to someone with a traumatic brain injury.

  74. 74.

    Mnemosyne

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I’m going along with his premise that Mr. Scott had a weapon. If I don’t make that concession, I can’t have any kind of conversation.

    And, frankly, it doesn’t seem implausible to me that someone dealing with a mixed group of people in plainclothes and uniforms might think that some of the people in plainclothes were criminals he might need to defend himself against. That seems much more likely than thinking that a random bystander would decide to pull a gun on armed police for shits and giggles, which seems to be his understanding of the incident.

  75. 75.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Mnemosyne: I’ve seen no convincing evidence that he had a weapon. But that is not an argument with you. If I am sitting in a car on the side of the street, no one bothers with me. Why did the bother with him? Ask that one.

  77. 77.

    Ruckus

    @Mnemosyne:

    a random bystander would decide to pull a gun on armed police for shits and giggles, which seems to be his understanding of the incident.

    Police after all are targeted by armed random people at least 30 times a day. And they are supposed to be the most respected people with the toughest, most dangerous job in the country. If you don’t believe me just ask them.

  81. 81.

    Ruckus

    @Mnemosyne:
    People make the strangest rationalizations, that go against all observable reality when they want to. I give you Ben Carson, Don King, Collen Powell, just for three examples off the top of my head.

  82. 82.

    Kropadope

    I was eating dinner with my friends tonight and a commercial came on for HRC that was Donald Trump speaking with veterans watching not looking happy. Literally no words were spoken by anyone other than Trump and my friends thought it was an unfair, negative attack ad. This fucking election year is draining the life out of me.

  87. 87.

    seaboogie

    @jacy:

    Private Catholic school, unfortunately.

    Or maybe not unfortunately, as the fact that it is a Catholic school just informs you of the ammunition that you need to use, and the bible is an endless source of moral principles to use when engaging in rhetorical debate:

    Isaiah 1:17English Standard Version (ESV)

    17 learn to do good;
    seek justice,
    correct oppression;
    bring justice to the fatherless,
    plead the widow’s cause.

    Job 12:22English Standard Version (ESV)

    22 He uncovers the deeps out of darkness
    and brings deep darkness to light.

    Seems like a teachable moment, and there are plenty of tools for the students (and parents) to use in the vernacular of that institution. A little poster-board and paint to write up one of these (and I’m sure that there are many more) while you take a knee during the anthem invites the spiritual ones to reconsider their stance.

    I adhere more to Buddhist principles these days, but attended parochial school in my early years when we lived across the street from the school, convent, cathedral and rectory. My elderly 1st grade teacher Sister Rosaria was one of the kindest people I’ve ever met, and I’ve known a few cool priests, too. #NotAllCatholics are authoritarians and/or pederasts.

    Jacy, I encourage you and your kids and the likeminded around you to respond, and engage in a language that they will understand.

  88. 88.

    Kropadope

    @jacy: Man, that Fascist Asshole guy’s parents named him well. How can one claim to be patriotic while spitting on the freedom of expression at the core of our national identity?

    ETA: Fuck blocking out the name of the high school, there should be a letter writing campaign, and the media. No, fuck the media too.

  89. 89.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Kropadope: Then the ad was not aimed at them. Who are they planning on voting for? HRC? Trump? A third party stooge? Or preserving their purity?

  91. 91.

    Gwangung

    @Mnemosyne: Police training leaves police tremendously ill-equipped to deal with the hard of hearing, the mentally disabled, the autistic or the non English speakin……all of which have been killed or seriously injured in circumstances that could gave been avoided with a little common sense.

  94. 94.

    Mnemosyne

    @Gwangung:

    That’s been my hobbyhorse for a while now: training police to expect instant compliance with their commands means that they will have no tools to deal with people who are unable to obey or understand those commands for whatever reason. It’s not just people with permanent disabilities, either. People in diabetic shock or with concussions have been shot and killed by police for not acting the way the police expected, because they’re only trained to expect normal, unimpaired behavior and to assume that anything else is automatically dangerous.

  95. 95.

    JGabriel

    Dave Thomason via Anne Laurie @ Top:

    Why does Mike Pence always look like he’s about to introduce legislation to outlaw the X-Men?

    Y’know, I feel like this critique is a little inaccurate. Pence doesn’t always look like he’s about to outlaw the X-men – sometimes Pence looks like he’s about to shout “Hail, Hydra!” and beg Red Skull for instructions on how to please him.

  99. 99.

    brendancalling

    @jacy: you should forward that to the ACLU, let him know, and then drop by his office with a copy of the Constitution.

  100. 100.

    Peale

    @Mnemosyne: or as we learned just last month, the lack of understanding extends to people trained to deal with people with disabilities, especially those who announce what they are up to. Who are black. They get shot in the leg anyway.

  103. 103.

    Aleta

    Black Eyed Peas Where is the Love. Seems like a long long time ago. (Their new version from this month is right there too, also great, very moving.)

    Or this (might not be everyone’s cup of tea): Some white improv dancers in Amsterdam with dancer Katie Duck, doing a single take to Where is the Love. About 8 years ago? (makes it vintage improv in form). Still feels like a long time ago.

  105. 105.

    Kropadope

    @Omnes Omnibus: Some of them may have some sloppy thinking habits but none of them have ever called me a racist for not sharing their opinion about any of the four white politicians running for President.

    ETA: Ooh, plus they bought me teriyaki.

  106. 106.

    Major Major Major Major

    @Omnes Omnibus: Ummm, what?

    I was just saying that gay people have, you know. Straight friends. I’d even wager that for most gay people, the majority of their friends are straight. Cuz, you know, duh.

    You’re the one who seems to think Kropadope’s past has anything to do with it, YOU explain.

  107. 107.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @Omnes Omnibus: I can’t possibly imagine why you’d be treated differently than some middle aged blah man. Nope, nothing comes to mind. Not a darn thing.

  113. 113.

    Ruckus

    @Mnemosyne:
    There are two worlds we live in. The rational and irrational. The rational is obvious. Things have explainable causes and effects, good or bad. The irrational has beliefs. People know their beliefs and as they live in an irrational world that is all they can see. The earth is flat, praying will save you, climate change is a myth, cutting taxes on the wealthy provides jobs…… They believe it therefore it is real. To get them to see reality the foundation of that belief has to crack or crumble, in some way. They won’t see facts/reality because those facts don’t agree with their beliefs. The more you argue, cajole, explain, clue x 4 upside the head, the more dogged they will be in refusing to accept anything but their beliefs. They’ve invested a lot in those beliefs, you have to invest more than that to wake them up. I think you have to totally break down the people at the top of the food chain that they believe in. When the top people fail and fall is when their beliefs will be able to be questioned.
    That’s why I said that change for the police must come from above, it is the only way to break the chain of beliefs about the job. First they have to understand it is not the police against everyone else. They have to learn to accept that not everyone is their enemy. And they do believe this because they get the idea reinforced all the time.

  119. 119.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym

    @Mnemosyne: I’m autistic, and, while I’m high functioning, if a bunch of people all start yelling at me at the same time, I freeze up and have problems grasping what they’re saying, even if they’re all shouting the same thing. That’s followed by panic. So, yeah, I’m glad I’m white.

  120. 120.

    Ruckus

    @seaboogie:
    I attended an all boys catholic technical HS for freshman yr. I was and am not catholic as were about 4 or 5 other boys and one teacher. But I was told I had to go to confession every week, I told the priests to stuff it, my religious beliefs were none of their business. I never went. And I never got sent to see Father Schaffer, the VP for it. But one yr of that was all that I could take, the religious bullshit, like a cardinal coming to visit in a Rolls Royce limo, with enough gold and gems on his fingers to pay off the debt of a medium sized third world country, while people around the world starved believing in Catholicism made me a true believer that religion is bullshit.

  122. 122.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Kropadope: I have have been posting here for years with my own (weird as it is) voice. You have, by your own admission, come here and trolled. You came and lied for effect.

  126. 126.

    Ruckus

    @Tissue Thin Pseudonym:
    I would think that a bunch of armed people yelling different things and pointing guns at you would make non autistic people freeze up and not know what the fuck was going on and panic as well. I’ve actually been shot at 4 times in civilian life, only one actually intentional and a level of panic was there in 3 of them. The other time was unintentional and was the closest I’ve come to being killed, the person who pulled the trigger was a friend and said the .357 hollow point missed my head by about an inch. I did a normal thing and walked off a porch and he did an abnormal thing and fired a shot to scare those of us supposedly inside the house. A step down off the porch saved my life. No panic to speak of but anger and almost the loss of a friend. BTW he latter became a deputy sheriff. I rode along with him. Once. He didn’t mind arresting someone after an illegal search because the guy got to spend the weekend in his jail. That convinced me that I didn’t need friends like that. I say cops have been like they are today because that was 43 yrs ago and all his buddies didn’t give a crap about a bad arrest, just that he’d had a successful evening, he scored an arrest. The only thing that has changed is that we know about more of these types of incidents today.

  129. 129.

    Kropadope

    @Omnes Omnibus: A response to bad behavior, of which you were one of the key perpetrators. Do you seriously think you can constantly be an asshole to someone over the course of months and not provoke a reaction? The main difference between you and me is that I can modulate my behavior based on the situation and you’re always a self-righteous, lying sack of shit.

  137. 137.

    Dog Dawg Damn

    @Major Major Major Major: OO has a problem with gay people being themselves. He likes to police gay homophobia and tell gay posters they are homophobic trolls. Done it to me before.

    Doesn’t ever cross his mind that perhaps he’s out of his league in gay conversations and should just keep his straight mouth shut.

  141. 141.

    Kropadope

    @Dog Dawg Damn: I think it’s more that he likes to police the boundaries of acceptable left thought. His immigration policies are tougher than Trump’s.

    ETA: Oh, and definitely gotta keep the social groups in their little boxes marked D. Only one way, by command. You know what to do with those OTHER ones marked S and L and especially R, right?

  146. 146.

    seaboogie

    @Ruckus: I hear you. I remember having to go to confession before my first communion. What does a seven-year-old have to confess? So I said that I fought with my brother, and some other random thing, and the third thing was that I lied (about the second thing).

    The scales fell from my eyes when I was about 12 and being very earnest, but then I started really listening, in my earnestness, and thought – “Wait – that doesn’t make any sense.” I wasn’t confronted by the hypocrisy of limos, but of the message itself.

    And so – off to light candles and incense and sit on my meditation cushion and pipe some Krisna Das into my ears.

  153. 153.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    @Aleta: It was shot about 3pm, exposure was 1/160sec, f/4, ISO-100. Near infrared reflects off plants, so that accounts for the white(or off white) vegetation.

    ETA: The camera(Samsung NX-300) has had the “hot mirror”(IR/UV blocking filter) removed and replaced with glass, so the exposure times are normal.

  155. 155.

    Aleta

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Why is the IR/UV blocking filter called a “hot mirror” ? And, is it the reflection of the near infrared that makes the contrast so high, or is there another reason too?

  156. 156.

    Glidwrith

    @Aleta: Thread is probably dead, but IR is short for infrared, so I would speculate it is called a hot mirror because IR is the heat component of sunlight.

  157. 157.

    Applejinx

    @Tissue Thin Pseudonym: Likewise.

    The problem here isn’t so much ‘not acknowledging that people can be impaired or unusual or different’. Pretty sure the problem here is a non-zero proportion of the populace who figure that people that are impaired, unusual or different should be killed.

    Because Darwin, or fitness, or something.

    I am working on a counter-argument for that but it might take some time. There are no moral or logical arguments I can use against it, for the people who see things that way: they’re conditioned to bitterly cling to that belief, sometimes even when it means their own doom. They think it’s for the good of America, and don’t mind being flung into the meat grinder themselves when their usefulness flags.

  159. 159.

    Rugosa

    @Mnemosyne: Mnemosyne, is that the Debaser shawl by Meghan Jackson? I just put it in my Ravelry library. It looks perfect for a skein of worsted I have that’s begging for a pattern.

  160. 160.

    The Lodger

    @seaboogie: This thread is probably dead, but that story should be nominated for a local press award. Scary without being speculative. Plus, the sidebar on what to do if you think this is happening to you.

  162. 162.

    Procopius

    @Mnemosyne: In the video I watched they were shouting at him to “drop the gun.” What if it wasn’t a gun he was holding? Why would he not be confused? I have no idea what effect his medication had on his perception.

  164. 164.

    JR in WV

    @jacy:

    The Supreme Court agreed that the First Amendment disallows the government from requiring any such thing.

    If it is a private school, perhaps they can do this. I would at least write a letter quoting the SC’s statement about J. Witnesses and the pledge of allegiance which was the context of their decision. So Google will be your friend. The decision was in regard to a WV statute.

    You can hardly claim to be requiring patriotism while at the same time denigrating the Supremes. Actually requiring patriotism is the antithesis of real patriotism.

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