Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Republicans: “Abortion is murder but you can take a bus to get one.” Easy peasy.

Republicans do not pay their debts.

Of course you can have champagne before noon. That’s why orange juice was invented.

Jack be nimble, jack be quick, hurry up and indict this prick.

Since we are repeating ourselves, let me just say fuck that.

I have other things to bitch about but those will have to wait.

the 10% who apparently lack object permanence

Incompetence, fear, or corruption? why not all three?

It’s all just conspiracy shit beamed down from the mothership.

American history and black history cannot be separated.

This really is a full service blog.

You know it’s bad when the Project 2025 people have to create training videos on “How To Be Normal”.

… pundit janitors mopping up after the gop

The worst democrat is better than the best republican.

The next time the wall street journal editorial board speaks the truth will be the first.

Trump’s cabinet: like a magic 8 ball that only gives wrong answers.

“Loving your country does not mean lying about its history.”

The willow is too close to the house.

The revolution will be supervised.

The most dangerous place for a black man in America is in a white man’s imagination.

“I was told there would be no fact checking.”

Let there be snark.

That’s my take and I am available for criticism at this time.

But frankly mr. cole, I’ll be happier when you get back to telling us to go fuck ourselves.

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The world keeps changing, and sometimes that’s a good thing.

Apart from hoping Hurricane Matthew loses force as quickly as Donald Trump, what’s on the agenda for the evening?

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  1. 1.

    Yutsano

    I’ll feel better on November 8th at around 8 pm Pacific time when we have an idea who the next President, Senate, and Congress will be. Until then I’m gonna be just nervous enough to keep working as if we’re losing.

  2. 2.

    debbie

    The media needs to stop listening to the GOP explaining the problems with the Dems’ campaigns. I bet their accuracy rate would triple.

  3. 3.

    Major Major Major Major

    The only reason I’m concerned about the ‘silent majority’ thing (which is totally true) is that it’ll make the psychos who think they were robbed by cheating people of dusky hues doubly sure that they were robbed this time.

  4. 4.

    Trentrunner

    Will never again listen to ANYONE who claims GOP isn’t the party of bigots.

    The GOP is not only the party of bigots. It’s the party of bigotry.

  5. 5.

    Anoniminous

    Computer Models are now starting to predict Matthew will hit or come close to hitting the east coast of Florida, move up off of Georgia and South Carolina, and then do a loopy-loop and come back and hit Florida again … possibly even crossing Florida to end up in the Gulf where it could, if thing work out just right (= wrong) it could re-form.

  10. 10.

    Villago Delenda Est

    One of the things that the Rethugs hate about Michelle is that she throws shade like Nolan Ryan or Sandy Koufax.

    All they can do is cower like John Kruk facing Randy Johnson.

  11. 11.

    Patricia Kayden

    Dana Houle has hit the nail on its head. The media is fascinated by all things Trump. Hence, the over coverage of Trump supporters, with all their quirks and idiocies. It’s getting tiring since the majority of voters aren’t going to cast their vote for Trump if the polls hold out through November 8th. The media needs to cover the millions of people of color who are going to ensure that our next President is sane instead of focusing on the alt-right and bitter White people who are planning to vote for the Orange Bigot.

  12. 12.

    Patricia Kayden

    @Yutsano: That’s a great strategy and all of us should have that attitude. Nothing is given with this Election and a win for the only qualified President Candidate is not guaranteed. Unfortunately.

  14. 14.

    bystander

    I’m detecting a note of Sad! on MSNBC as they struggle to continue screaming Horse race! But they are still intent on reporting Trump’s every hiccup. I’m hoping that hiccup becomes a death rattle in November and we hear this idiot nevermore.

  15. 15.

    debbie

    @Anoniminous:

    You know, it seems these storms are doing loopy-loops more often than they used to. I wonder if there some climate change-connected reason.

  16. 16.

    philadelphialawyer

    Women of color, men of color, single white women, and some sane married white women, GLBT folks, religious minorities, and, oh yeah, a few sane white men, too. That’s the new Silent Majority for Hillary. It has plenty of enthusiasm, and it is tired of being bullied, silenced and shouted down by bigoted, arrogant, ignorant, selfish, loud mouthed hetero white Christian men.

  17. 17.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @debbie: While it’s always unwise to associate individual weather events with overall climate change, yes, one does have to wonder how much the overall trends steer the individual weather events.

  18. 18.

    Mnemosyne

    @Anoniminous:

    Hmm. I wasn’t super worried about Matthew on a personal level because my family members are on the Gulf side (Naples), but now you have me worrying again.

  21. 21.

    Kropadope

    The old silent majority, as far as I can tell, was always pretty loud.

    So, I’ve been working on fulfilling Michelle Obama’s admonition to get three people registered to vote. Since the Presidential race is pretty non-competitive here, I’ve been focusing on ballot questions as a driver. I have two considering it, including one who was all stoked for Bernie and I found out on primary day he wasn’t registered. I have one straight refusal “I don’t know about those things” type of answer.

  22. 22.

    Hal

    An old coworker friend commented on facebook about Pence being smart and conservative. The country needs to lean right and maybe Trump will get struck by lightning and Pence can take over.

    I’m thinking she thinks so little of Trump as to wish a cull by lightning but she’s still voting for him. Oh, and Pence, so smart. This is someone who thinks Nixon got railroaded and was impeached for deleting a few minutes of recording, but Hillary’s emails! So I guess I shouldn’t be that surprised, but man am I going to be side eyeing some people I know from now until eternity.

  24. 24.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @efgoldman: She cancelled the rest of the trip, and will resume sometime in the spring when hurricanes are much less likely to rain on the vay-cay.

  27. 27.

    SFAW

    @bystander:

    I’m hoping that hiccup becomes a death rattle in November and we hear this idiot nevermore.

    My, aren’t we optimistic? It took the Sunday dimwits how many years to stop having President-in-Exile McCain on their shows? And Chuckles Todd will find some way to shoehorn Deadbeat Donnie into various programs. Maybe he and Halperin can do a Trump joint venture. (And in this case, the joint where they’d be venturing would be Trump’s and I ain’t talkin’ Trump Tower. Brain bleach available in Aisle 6, by the way.)

  30. 30.

    laura

    @Yutsano: we’ll be enjoying Taco Tuesday on election night, and damn well better have a taco truck on every corner the next damn day!

  33. 33.

    SFAW

    Tonight’s agenda: either watch the M-E-T-S! or continue fighting off the flu (or whatever I’ve got). Might need to take some combined general anesthetic and germ killer, perhaps single malt.

    Actually, the flu/whatever isn’t hitting me too hard, but you can never be too careful.

  34. 34.

    sdhays

    I don’t think the majority is particularly silent. More like “silenced majority” since the media isn’t interested in covering them.

  36. 36.

    RaflW

    So I’m hoping that 20 hours after the debate, pundits (and the Trump campaign) are realizing that Pence’s frequent, condescending head shakes are a videographers dream. Along with the stupid-to-deny, incredibly easily assembled clips of Trump saying exactly what Kaine said he said.

    Maybe even Hack Halperin has a sad.

  38. 38.

    Major Major Major Major

    @sdhays: I know a number of people, mostly women, who don’t talk about Hillary on social media because they get mansplained at by horrified ‘friends’.

    @RaflW: Somebody shared a Daily Beast mashup of Pence shaking his head when Kaine pointed out something Trump had said, intercut with Trump saying those things.

  39. 39.

    jl

    Implicitly sympathetic white bigot panic freakshows seem to be favored by corporate media. But that is only about 50 percent, or a just little more, of all Whites now. If Trump loses, maybe we can thank him for driving that proportion down, since a lot of Whites got a lesson in how stupid it is.

  40. 40.

    Calouste

    @SFAW: Allegedly that whiny loser is rather heavily in debt to Putin’s cronies, or in other words, the Russian mob. If that whiny loser doesn’t win the Presidency, chances are that he will have trouble paying off his debts, and the mob tend to use, ahum, alternative solutions for people who can’t pay their debts rather than taking them to court.

  41. 41.

    Splitting Image

    @SFAW:

    My, aren’t we optimistic? It took the Sunday dimwits how many years to stop having President-in-Exile McCain on their shows? And Chuckles Todd will find some way to shoehorn Deadbeat Donnie into various programs. Maybe he and Halperin can do a Trump joint venture. (And in this case, the joint where they’d be venturing would be Trump’s and I ain’t talkin’ Trump Tower. Brain bleach available in Aisle 6, by the way.)

    McCain spent years currying favour with the Sunday dimwits before his 2008 run. Trump doesn’t have that reservoir of good will. His brand is entirely based on him being a “winner”, which he won’t be if he loses and his empire collapses.

    Ivanka the “moderate conservative” is the one to worry about. Fox news will find a spot for her easily. And if Americans aren’t careful, so might the Senate.

  42. 42.

    Patricia Kayden

    @philadelphialawyer: Very well said. This is the coalition which will elect Secretary Clinton and save this country (and the world) from a clearly unqualified Bigot. It cannot be said enough that Republicans should never be allowed to live down their decision to nominate an ignoramus for the most powerful job in this country. Shame on them.

  43. 43.

    jl

    Intentionally missed the veep debate last night. Good thing, at least from what I saw in the new HRC ads today.

    I may be in minority, but I don’t think a smooth liar posturing as a sage sound man, while quietly lying with his mouth and with his gestures is more civil or polite than breaking in to point out outrageous bald faced lies broadcast to the whole country.

    I didn’t know Pence got his start as a wingnut radio host. Need to give him credit for knowing how to put on a shrewd media performance. At least shrewd enough to get him through the evening personally unscathed Too bad for GOP Trump is running for president rather than Pence. Seems like as an OK debate for Pence, at least until all his lies get called. I don’t see how it was good for Trump.

  44. 44.

    Miss Bianca

    reposted from t’other thread, since it seems more appropriate to this one:

    I was just on the phone with the local coordinator for the HRC campaign, and he told me he was having a hard time getting people to canvass in my county – “they say they’re afraid of getting shot at.” I can believe people would say that, but I thought we only canvassed at residences that were identified as Dem or likely Dem voters, so I dunno how realistic this fear is. However, we are so rural, and so spread out, that canvassing would be tough anyway. Sounds like I’m going to be a phone bank leader – I’ll find out more at the central committee meeting next Monday.

  46. 46.

    The Ancient Randonneur

    I also think many Nat’l media elites surprised by what’s always been there w (esp older) whites, now visible w Trump

    Surprised? No. Embarassed that many of their peers and parents are in that seething pile of crap.

    P.S. All you Mets fans better be praying to the FSM that MadBum isn’t in post season mode tonight.

  48. 48.

    jl

    And question for BJ commenters with enough fortitude to watch the debate and accompanying pundit jabber.

    Is it true that, during the debate last night, the ignorant dolt and corporate hack pretending to be journalist, Chuck Todd, claimed on TV that GW Bush did NOT negotiate the Iraq withdrawal. And whosits, the guy who peddled deluded fantasies about his war reporting flat out admitted that he didn’t know. Like it was not unexpected that the topic would come up during the debate? And that they should know about in detail anyway?

    If so, have these goofs been publicly shamed and corrected yet?

  49. 49.

    SFAW

    @Calouste:

    Oh, I’m sure he’ll be able to talk his way out of it. After all, Putin is such a patsy, not very bright, non-confrontational, etc.

    @Splitting Image:

    Interesting point re: Ivanka, hadn’t thought that far ahead. (And I was kidding re: Deadbeat Donnie being on anyone’s show outside of Chuckles and Halperin.)

  52. 52.

    Kathleen

    @Major Major Major Major: My cousin’s husband retired from BLM in Wyoming. She told me that he noted the Reno office had bullet proof glass. This was as far back as the 90’s. You did the right thing!

  53. 53.

    Boussinesque

    @debbie: As VDE said, we don’t usually associate specific weather events with climate change, but the general case is fairly solid (disclaimer, I am an ocean scientist, not a meteorologist).

    One of the main drivers of climate change are imbalances in the global energy budget. We’re trapping more energy via GHGs, so there’s more overall energy (kinetic and radiative) in the atmosphere and surface layer of the ocean. Storms involve motion, hence, energy. Imagine you have a curve representing probability of a weather event vs. the “intensity” of that weather event (however we want to define that); generally high probability for low-intensity events, generally low probability for high-intensity events. Increasing the total energy available in the atmosphere will shift that curve towards higher intensity (obviously there’s a lot more to this, but as far as a bare-bones explanation goes, I think it’s good).

    The EPA actually has a really good page about this.

  55. 55.

    Steeplejack (tablet)

    @jl:

    Not true! Somebody made a joke to that effect on one of the threads last night and wasn’t clear about it. None of the networks do “in-line” commentary while the debaters are speaking.

  56. 56.

    Woodrowfan

    say, what happened in the Jays-Os game last night? I’m sure Buck Showalter’s long managerial experience made a difference!

    (seriously my sympathies to O’s fans. Jesus what a stupid thing to do)

  57. 57.

    trollhattan

    @Anoniminous:
    This is what will happen if Florida does not send Rick Scott to sea tied to a wooden raft by sundown! You know what you have to do, Florida, the next move is yours.

  58. 58.

    trollhattan

    @The Ancient Randonneur:
    Right. I see less than a degree separation between Trump voters and the Sarah voters and the Tea Partiers. They’ve had a whole lot of camera time these last eight years.

  60. 60.

    jl

    @Steeplejack (tablet): OK, thanks. I saw some echoes of the joke in the comments, I guess. I found it hard to believe. I still think Todd is an ignorant dolt, and same for whosits.

    Edit: Brian Williams (the fantasist kicked down from NBC to MSNBC for fantasizing about his war reporting)

  62. 62.

    PPCLI

    @jl: I’d like to know that too, if it is true. I saw it from someone here ( I wasn’t watching the debate itself) and repeated it without confirming it, or finding out if the original remark was facetious or mistaken. So I’m eager to know if I was just too gullible.

    ETA – Ah, I see above that I was too gullible.

  63. 63.

    LAO

    @TaMara (HFG): I sent you an email re:puppy pictures, if you’re still interested.

    My evening agenda involves attempting to convince a North Carolina puppy that peeing on concrete is totally acceptable in the big bad city. Oh, and some team I root for is playing a baseball game tonight. I fear, due to injuries, I will be more successful than the metropolitans.

  64. 64.

    ? Martin

    @efgoldman:

    In New York? Don’t think so.

    Yeah, states like like Massachusetts would never elect a shit for brains conservative Senator.

  68. 68.

    Hungry Joe

    @Villago Delenda Est: To be fair, it was the All Star game and Kruk was laughing at himself. You could absolutely see what he was thinking: “I’ll try to stand my ground in real game, but I ain’t eatin’ a 98 mph fastball comin’ from ten feet away” — Johnson’s reach, as it appeared to the batter — “in THIS circus.”

    It was a great baseball moment, both hilarious and instructive of just how difficult it is to hit a small, hard object flung by, as Roger Angell once put it, “a 200-pound optimist.” (Except Johnson was about 240.)

  71. 71.

    Johnnybuck

    I have suspected this for some time. Trump supporters, and Republicans in general, are loud so they think they’re winning. Interesting that Trump is -17 with white voters than Romney was in ’12. If this holds up, there’s going to be a reckoning. I like Hillary. I want her to win bigly, not just because it will be good for down ticket races, but because she deserves it. Hell, I deserve it, and you do too.

  72. 72.

    Patricia Kayden

    @Johnnybuck: I want Secretary Clinton to win “bigly” to send a clear message to Republicans that nominating a Bigot isn’t going to fly in the U.S.A. in 2016. They need to lose the Senate at the very least so that they aren’t confused about how the majority of Americans feel about Trump and the Republican Party’s support of him. This should be their end as a national party.

  74. 74.

    Anoniminous

    @debbie:

    We are seeing a decrease of West to East and increase of South to North air flow caused by global warming but I don’t know if that has anything to do with it or it’s One of Them Things.

  76. 76.

    workworkwork

    I might (might) be getting out of hospital tomorrow. Platelets still zero but I think I can be transferred to outpatient infusion treatment.

    The staff here are fantastic and have been keeping me in the loop with my treatments and explaining my options in a lot of detail.

    My brother’s an RN and I never realized how much more of a role they play in personal patient care. They are my heroes and the folks here are an inspiration.

  77. 77.

    debbie

    @Boussinesque:

    Thanks, I’ve bookmarked the page.

    All I know is that there was a hurricane back in the early 1990s, I think, that did a couple figure eights and people saw it as a freak incident. Now, the last two hurricanes (providing Matthew follows predictions) have loopy-looped, and one hurricane recently formed over land. No idea what, but something’s going on.

  78. 78.

    ThresherK

    Hey, not that I trust Wikileaks, but whose ass is Assange pulling things out re “Hillary sold weapons”?

    All the sites carrying it are like Mediaite, Angry Patriot, Daily Caller, TownHall. Is there a real journo on this?

  80. 80.

    SFAW

    @efgoldman:

    Music major and writer.

    Speaking of music: how did Mrs. efg’s audition go the other day? I expect it went well, but haven’t been checking here as much.

  82. 82.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @Hungry Joe: That’s a good point about that particular confrontation, and you’re right, Kruk would probably not have reacted that way if the game was one that really counted, like say game seven of the World Series.

    Still, as you say, it was a great baseball moment.

  83. 83.

    SFAW

    Finally got to see a clip of Mrs. Obama at Charlotte. The tapping-the-microphone bit was so smooth and quick — amazing.

  85. 85.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @ThresherK: Selling weapons is one of the things the Secretary of State is supposed to facilitate. Duh. It’s a tool of statecraft. That anyone is shocked, shocked about this tells me more about the shockee than it does about any Secretary of State. It’s like they don’t expect an embassy to be a nest of spies. That’s what embassies are all about, really.

  87. 87.

    Steeplejack (tablet)

    @Walker:

    Post a clip (or a source for the “supposedly”). I’d love to see confirmation. I couldn’t find anything on the Google, and I couldn’t find an MSNBC stream on YouTube. Here is the NBC stream, and it doesn’t seem to have any interpolated comments in it.

    ETA: The only thing I have seen was the ambiguous comment here on Balloon Juice, and I think that commenter said it was a joke later in the thread after some people took it seriously.

  88. 88.

    Turgidson

    @Patricia Kayden:

    The Pence strategy of denying the existence of Donald Trump in favor of “Dona!d Trump, typical Republican asshole, but NOT a full-blown racist scumbag” probably telegraphed what the GOP will do after the election. Basically, they will do nothing. They’ll shrug, say “glad that’s over” and the party will largely reunify around their shared blinding hatred of Hillary Clinton. Just as the GOP instantly slapped a Teabagger sticker over their Bush/Cheney 04 sticker and pretended 2001-2009 either never happened or was Obama’s fault, they’ll either pretend the whole Trump business never happened or just say he was some bizarre fluke that was somehow Hillary’s fault.

  89. 89.

    RedDirtGirl

    @SFAW: I’ve been out sick all week with something. Throaty-coldy-fevery. If it’s not better tomorrow I’ll jump on the dreaded antibiotic train :(

  90. 90.

    Roger Moore

    @philadelphialawyer:

    That’s the new Silent Majority for Hillary.

    We’re only silent because nobody thinks it’s interesting to report on our opinions. It’s like the tree in the forest that falls when there’s nobody there to hear it. If a Clinton supporter expresses an opinion where there’s no reporter to repeat it, do they make a sound?

  92. 92.

    Enhanced Voting Techinques

    @ThresherK:

    Hey, not that I trust Wikileaks, but whose ass is Assange pulling things out re “Hillary sold weapons”?

    Jealous Swedish SAAB Defense workers? I do find the self righteousness of Swedes over arms sales always more than a little disgusting since one of the biggest death merchants in the world is headquartered in their country.

  93. 93.

    Shana

    @laura: I made Chicken Enchilada Chili for the Clinton campaign office’s lunch tomorrow. Not tacos, but close enough.

  94. 94.

    PaulWartenberg2016

    I know I’m in Polk County, which is White Boy Central in Central Florida, but I gotta tell you most of the Pro-Clinton voters I’ve seen so far have mostly been White. Slight diversity in age – mostly in their 20s – but a good number of 40something, a handful of 60-plus, and mostly male.

    …

    Granted, I’ve seen far too many pro-Trump people too (damn them) but this should be part of the story: Clinton’s supporters cover nearly every ethnicity.

    If there has been a shared background with all the Clinton people I’ve met, it’s been the college education.

  95. 95.

    Boussinesque

    @Roger Moore: The fact that that’s showing up under NOAA’s “frequently asked questions” heading is both hilarious and highly disturbing. Kudos to them for providing an actual scientific explanation for why it wouldn’t work, rather than just a snarky response (“Cocaine is a hell of a drug” would be my go-to in this situation).

  98. 98.

    Iowa Old Lady

    @Steeplejack (tablet): I saw that on a live stream too. As I recall, what I read said someone asks Todd if that’s true. Chris Hayes starts to say something and Todd says no. (ETA: In what I read, it wasn’t clear if Todd was referring to the claim that Clinton didn’t negotiate the status of forces or Bush did.)

    I was reading here, on Kos, and on the Guardian, but a quick look doesn’t show any such thing.

  102. 102.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    @jl:

    have these goofs been publicly shamed and corrected yet?

    OMG, you’re so cute!!

  104. 104.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Katrina van den Heuvel is fucking deluded.

    ETA: arguing that Donald Turmp is at least shaking up the establishment, stopping just, just short of saying he’s a force for good. Chris Hayes, to his credit, is fucking having none of it.
    ETA, A: very politely and incredulously fucking having none of it

  107. 107.

    Mnemosyne

    @lamh36:

    It’s particularly bad because it was at a hospital that has a clinic specifically for transgender youth. It’s not like he was at some small-town hospital in Kansas that had never had a transgender patient before.

  109. 109.

    lamh36

    @Mnemosyne: Exactly…I don’t know if the mom knows who the staff was, but if she did and could prove it…they should be fired.

    If not, then her suing them, may make the hospital screen the staff better and counsel them on tolerance…smh.

  110. 110.

    JustRuss

    I love FLOTUS’ WTF face as she’s tapping on the mic. As for:

    I also think many Nat’l media elites surprised by what’s always been there w (esp older) whites, now visible w Trump

    Honestly, do our media elites not know any older whites? I guess in rarefied circles they have the grace to keep thier bigotry to themselves, but out in the real world I’ve found it pretty easy to find racist jerks.

  111. 111.

    Roger Moore

    @PaulWartenberg2016:

    but this should be part of the story: Clinton’s supporters cover nearly every ethnicity.

    True. People talk about Clinton not winning the white vote, but there’s a big difference between losing 60/40 the way Democrats have been losing the white vote in national elections and losing 70/30 or 90/10, the way the Republicans have been losing every non-white group. There are still plenty of white Democrats; there are not plenty of black Republicans.

  113. 113.

    Gvg

    @debbie: I have seen historical maps. No, there were always some looped de loops. In the 1600’s and all this area was pretty empty so the tracks are known to be incomplete but some of those in the last century when we have pretty good records are really weird looking. Not all, just some.

  117. 117.

    Steve in the ATL

    @Shana:

    “Ivanka the “moderate conservative” in the Senate? From New York? I don’t think the voters of NY are that stupid.

    Send down to Georgia. Most people here are way stupider than that!

  121. 121.

    Jeffro

    @laura:

    we’ll be enjoying Taco Tuesday on election night, and damn well better have a taco truck on every corner the next damn day!

    Ok now I’m officially inspired…don’t know if I can do tacos for breakfast on 11/8, but I sure as heck can have ’em for lunch and then throw an Election Night Watch Party w/ a taco bar. Might even stop by TRU and get some little toy trucks for decor, too!

  122. 122.

    philadelphialawyer

    @Patricia Kayden: Thanks. And, absolutely, shame on the GOP. They nominated a straight-up fascist/racist/misogynist/xenophobe/religious bigot for President. Who was entirely without resume to boot. And an asshole even in his personal life. Disgusting, and should disqualify their whole party, for, like, ever.

    @Roger Moore: Too true. We are not silent, but silenced. And outshouted, and, too often, intimidated. I can only hope…not any fucking more. Fuck you, Donald Trump. Fuck you, anyone who supports him. Fuck you, anyone who tries to suppress the vote. Fuck you, all y’all.

    @Josie: Thanks.

  124. 124.

    Jeffro

    @lamh36:

    So fellow comic fans..should we go ahead and start planning a meetup…lol.

    Final Wolverine Movie name and teaser poster revealed

    Count me in! His hand reminds me of ORIGIN…the kid’s hand reminds me of the epic UXM #205…no reason why #205 can’t be the ‘frame’ while he has flashbacks (to ORIGIN) and flash forwards of all kinds.

    Ok yeah, that was a little much…it’s just fun to speculate! (almost irresponsible not to ;)

  127. 127.

    Steeplejack (tablet)

    @Iowa Old Lady:

    I saw that on a live stream too. As I recall, what I read said [. . .].

    What is that exactly? You saw the actual video or just a report? What you describe is exactly the “joke” comment made here.

  130. 130.

    hovercraft

    @Steve in the ATL:
    Don Jr floated the idea of running against Bill DeBlasio, and basically got shot down, none of the Trumps would stand a chance in the City or state wide, they could probably win out on Long Island, Staten Island or upstate, not Westchester but up in the hinterlands.

  132. 132.

    Nemo_N

    CNN talking heads declaring that once again the bar for the next debate is low for Trump because he lost the first one and high for Hillary because she won it.

  133. 133.

    philadelphialawyer

    @hovercraft: Long Island is no longer safe territory for Repubs. Nassau and Suffolk have gone D in every presidential race since 1996. And, in governor’s races, Spritzer and Cuomo both won Nassau, and Spritzer won Suffolk. Coumo lost the less populous Suffolk by one point.

    Trump Jr, in my opinion, would win nowhere in the metro NYC region besides SI, and would lose in a landslide to any credible statewide Dem for Governor. For Mayor of NYC? Fuggetaboutit!

  134. 134.

    Jeffro

    @Nemo_N:

    CNN talking heads declaring that once again the bar for the next debate is low for Trump because he lost the first one and high for Hillary because she won it.

    I give her 5 minutes tops before she notes that Pence wouldn’t support Trump, except for lying about what Trump had/hadn’t said…”we’ve been running ads with the truth, with your own quotes on video, Donald – would you mind showing one to Mike please so that he’s aware of what you’ve been saying? Poor guy…”

  136. 136.

    LadyNorth

    @SFAW: Oh…. I hadn’t thought of that. You may be onto something. The networks won’t abandon the cash cow. They’ll compete to sign Trump for “political” commentary.

    Indeed, it took them years to get over their infatuation of McCain. And it took the shooting of Gabby Giffords to end their infatuation with Sarah Palin…

    Damn… we’ll be stuck with Drumpf for quite a while…

  137. 137.

    Jeffro

    Boy…The Atlantic really lowered the boom, didn’t they?

    “We are impressed by many of the qualities of the Democratic Party’s nominee for president, even as we are exasperated by others,” it reads, “but we are mainly concerned with the Republican Party’s nominee, Donald J. Trump, who might be the most ostentatiously unqualified major-party candidate in the 227-year history of the American presidency.”

    Just as The Atlantic intended its endorsement of Lincoln as a strike against slavery and its endorsement of Johnson as a rebuttal of Barry Goldwater’s nativism, endorsing Clinton is the magazine’s shot across Trump’s bow.

    “[O]ur interest here is not to advance the prospects of the Democratic Party, nor to damage those of the Republican Party,” the editorial concludes. “We believe in American democracy, in which individuals from various parties of different ideological stripes can advance their ideas and compete for the affection of voters. But Trump is not a man of ideas. He is a demagogue, a xenophobe, a sexist, a know-nothing, and a liar. He is spectacularly unfit for office, and voters—the statesmen and thinkers of the ballot box—should act in defense of American democracy and elect his opponent.”

    Just another American institution weighing in for the sake of history…reporters, please ask Ryan, McConnell, McCain, etc what they think of this.

    You have to wonder just how ugly the GOP civil war is gonna get…the #NoMoreTrumps faction is going to get started early, I bet. Nov 9th can’t come soon enough…

  138. 138.

    Aleta

    @LAO: attempting to convince a North Carolina puppy that peeing on concrete is totally acceptable

    You’ve really got to feel for those country dogs come the city or giant parking lot, walking and walking to find that grass before they’re able pee. (Had one.)

  139. 139.

    Jeffro

    @LadyNorth:

    The networks won’t abandon the cash cow. They’ll compete to sign Trump for “political” commentary.

    I doubt it…he’s likely to go down in flames, bashing everything & everyone when he does. He’ll be too radioactive to bring in-house and why do that when you can just keep reporting on whatever crazy thing he’s doing in any given fifteen minute period? And he’s not going to do anything he can’t “monetize”; the best way for him to do that is his own exclusive cable channel & website…TB (for Trump-Bannon) TV.

    TB…how fitting…

  140. 140.

    Aleta

    @Hal: (Pence) someone who thinks Nixon got railroaded and was impeached for deleting a few minutes of recording
    And he’s running with a paranoiac who bugs his employees and records his visitors and who knows what else

  142. 142.

    Aleta

    @philadelphialawyer: shame on the GOP. They nominated a straight-up fascist/racist/misogynist/xenophobe/religious bigot for President. Who was entirely without resume to boot. And an asshole even in his personal life.

    Absolutely. And even after a large number of their ilk have spoken against him, so that telling the truth is not so lonely any more, they would rather watch people die than denounce him.

  144. 144.

    philadelphialawyer

    @Aleta: Totally agree. Any elected or appointed GOP official who did not denounce Trump early, often and consistently should have it thrown in his face for as long as he presumes to play a role in public life….”You supported a fascist for POTUS, ergo, what you have to say is worth less than zero, and you are not fit to hold any governmental office of any kind, ever. Now, fuck off and die in a fire, fascist enabler.”

  146. 146.

    NoraLenderbee

    @Jeffro: And on NPR this evening, the commenter (missed her name) said, “That wasn’t really a *ringing* endorsement, was it?”

    FY NPR

  148. 148.

    sherparick

    Pence is as much an authoritarian as Trump. Trump is the white nationalist authoritarian while Pence (and Cruz) are the Christianist Authoritarian Wing of the Republican Party. That is what the Republican Party now is at its base. And frankly, as far as the Business elite, at the “Libertarians” in that elite, they are also Anti-Democratic and the American Constitution. They believe democracy is “anti-Libertarian” when the only “Liberty” you care about is the “Right of Property” and the “Right of the Property Holder” to treat his employees and renters however he (almost always a “he”) sees fit. https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/08/bleeding-heart-libertarians-jason-brennan-voting-democracy/ Hence you see Peter Thiel and other Hedge Fund and Silicon Valley libertarians supporting Trump. They want an authoritarian Government to crush workers, environmentalists, and others who contest their vision of creating a United States of Galt Gulch. This is the modern Republican Party.

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