Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

We need to vote them all out and restore sane Democratic government.

Every one of the “Roberts Six” lied to get on the court.

The jury literally has a bell they can ring to force Trump to show up on command. Greatest thing ever!

Imperialist aggressors must be defeated, or the whole world loses.

There are some who say that there are too many strawmen arguments on this blog.

JFC, are there no editors left at that goddamn rag?

The frogs are rarely mistaken.

Let the trolls come, and then ignore them. that’s the worst thing you can do to a troll.

The problem people have with Biden’s age is the color of the VPs skin.

Despite his magical powers, I don’t think Trump is thinking this through, to be honest.

Since when do we limit our critiques to things we could do better ourselves?

If you’re pissed about Biden’s speech, he was talking about you.

Nancy smash is sick of your bullshit.

Technically true, but collectively nonsense

fuckem (in honor of the late great efgoldman)

I know this must be bad for Joe Biden, I just don’t know how.

…and a burning sense of injustice to juice the soul.

Stamping your little feets and demanding that they see how important you are? Not working anymore.

“When somebody takes the time to draw up a playbook, they’re gonna use it.”

Meanwhile over at truth Social, the former president is busy confessing to crimes.

Why is it so hard for them to condemn hate?

Only Democrats have agency, apparently.

Hey Washington Post, “Democracy Dies in Darkness” is supposed to be a warning, not a mission statement.

An unpunished coup is a training exercise.

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I was gonna use the ‘Not Normal’ tag… but after Nixon’s phlebitis and Reagan’s Alzheimers, “too ill to pay for his crimes, no point in examining things so closely” really *is* GOP-normal, isn’t it?

Apart from watching (probable) traitors scrabble after excuses, what’s on the agenda for the evening?

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  2. 2.

    Mnemosyne

    Okay, I’ll be the first to call that Trump is going to try an Uncle Junior defense and all of his “dementia” behavior in public is actually part of a long con to get a lighter sentence or even house arrest based on his “health status.”

  3. 3.

    lamh36

    @latimes
    Nancy Pelosi just got a challenger and he’s a “pretty hard core” Bernie Sanders supporter http://lat.ms/2oJMXmE

    If Folks in this district are so dumb as to not realize how much influence Pelosi has based on seniority alone…if this guy did somehow do anything, they’d go from top to bottom of the barrel…smh

  5. 5.

    Lapassionara

    Well, it will be a relief to see this in the grocery store check out line, instead of another “Hillary is Guilty” headline. I am taking solace where I can find it.

  6. 6.

    lamh36

    Silence of the Lambs is STILL too creepy for me…can’t watch it or the sequel. Yet I love me some Luther and Criminal Minds…but Silence…naw…

    Jonathan Demme, ‘Silence of the Lambs’ director, dead at 73 @CNN http://cnn.it/2q6fRPT

  7. 7.

    Frank Wilhoit

    So who will be [willing to be] Trump’s Poindexter? Is there anyone with that kind of loyalty? Perhaps more importantly, is there anyone who can muster the faintest plausibility for “this was all my fault” (emphasis: all) ? And how long will the list have to be that begins “I didn’t tell the President, or the Senate Majority Leader, or …, or …, or …” ?

  8. 8.

    jon

    1968: Walter Cronkite questions the Vietnam War

    2017: The National Enquirer undermines Trump

  9. 9.

    ruemara

    Go for a walkie and tape an audition tape and then prep for my travels next weekend. Which means write a huge laundry list of things my roommate needs to do. 1. Take out the garbage regularly. 2. Toss out the compost. 3. Your cat pees in the livingroom, clean it up. 4. Wipe the damned counters, I don’t need to see what you ate all weekend.

    I’m very over roommates.

  12. 12.

    clay

    @lamh36: Pelosi’s the enemy, don’cha know? Certainly doesn’t have a lifetime of fighting for progressive causes /s

  14. 14.

    Nicole

    Binged the first three episodes of “The Handmaids Tale.” It’s really, really good.

  16. 16.

    clay

    I have to admit this latest push on “health” “care” has me somewhat depressed. How can so much spite exist in people?

    We’ve also gotten used to a fairly steady dripdripdrip of news about the Russian investigations, but those seem to have stalled… I could really use a juicy leak from the Deep State right about now… please?

  23. 23.

    JDM

    It IS classic Republican president behavior by now. Nixon committed treason to get the presidency by scuttling the Vietnam peace talks. Reagan committed treason by making a deal to sell weapons to Iran in return for their keeping our people hostage longer. Trump committed treason with his deals with the Russians. And as we’ve seen, pretty much the entire Republican party is okay with that.

  24. 24.

    Roger Moore

    I was gonna use the ‘Not Normal’ tag… but after Nixon’s phlebitis and Reagan’s Alzheimers, “too ill to pay for his crimes, no point in examining things so closely” really *is* GOP-normal, isn’t it?

    And after Nixon’s deal with North Vietnam over LBJ’s peace negotiations and Reagan’s deal with Iran over the hostages, cutting deals with America’s enemies to help get elected is GOP normal, too.

  28. 28.

    MattF

    Andy Borowitz in the New Yorker:

    In an appearance at the University of Chicago on Monday, former President Barack Obama unloaded a relentless barrage of complete sentences in what was widely seen as a brutal attack on his successor, Donald Trump.

  29. 29.

    Patricia Kayden

    @lamh36: So Bernie has become the anti-Dem? It was a huge mistake to allow him to run for our Party’s presidential nomination and looks like we’re going to be paying for that mistake for years to come.

  32. 32.

    Patricia Kayden

    @lamh36: I believe he also directed “Beloved” starring Oprah and Danny Glover. Now that was a horror movie. I had nightmares for weeks after watching it. Very dark material, which is to be expected when you’re dealing with slavery.

  33. 33.

    debbie

    If it’s still there when I food shop this weekend, I’ll be buying my first-ever copy of the Enquirer.

  39. 39.

    Patricia Kayden

    @Nicole: An absolutely great prophetic novel but I recall feeling depressed after I was done with it. And here we are living under a Rightwing regime with heavy Evangelical support. Not surprised that the series is good.

  42. 42.

    debbie

    @TenguPhule:

    To help increase their sales so they’ll publish more issues slamming the Pig in Chief. That is something I could not get enough of.

  43. 43.

    VFX Lurker

    @lamh36: When I saw “hardcore Wilmer supporter” I translated it to “can’t get voters to show up.” Whether it’s a Wilmercrat or Wilmer himself, the voters just don’t show up.

    I expect Pelosi and her supporters to organize and win. I also expect Wilmer supporters to weep that it’s all rigged, further depressing voter turnout among Wilmer supporters.

  45. 45.

    Patricia Kayden

    @germy: In the theater in D.C. where I watched “Beloved”, so many people starting crying around me (including men) that I ended up leaving the theater in tears. A gentleman waiting to see the next showing took my tears to mean that the film was good. LOL.
    Great film but will never watch it again.

    Thandie is a great actress. Have you seen “Flirting”? It was her first movie. Nicole Kidman and Naomi Watts were also in it.

  46. 46.

    Mnemosyne

    @lamh36:

    One of the brilliant things about The Silence of the Lambs is that it really messes with the audience’s point of view and who you’re supposed to identify with, which is one of the reasons a lot of people find it much more disturbing on a subconscious level than most serial killer movies.

    The biggest example (yes, it’s a spoiler) is when the killer is stalking Jodie Foster in the climax and she turns around and shoots him. That is against the rules of moviemaking! And that’s why it works.

    Plus I like it because cats are good for once: the cat of the kidnapped girl tries to warn her to stay away from the killer before he grabs her, and another cat leads Jodie Foster to the huge clue in the sewing room.

  48. 48.

    Elizabelle

    @Mnemosyne: I never noticed the cats.

    Very sad about Jonathan Demme. He probably still had some more movies in him. Gone too soon.

  50. 50.

    TenguPhule

    Trump’s Eternal Jew moment

    The Victims of Immigration Crime Engagement Office, or Voice, was commissioned by Donald Trump in January through an executive order that also contained a host of hardline changes to immigration enforcement in the United States.

    Notice what’s missing from the name?

    Hattip Digby.

    As part of the hardline January order, Voice is also expected to produce a quarterly report detailing all crimes in America committed by undocumented migrants. Cox confirmed the agency intended to comply with the directive but said there was no date set for the first of these crime reports.

    Which I’m sure will contain only the bestest, most reliableist news you can trust.

  51. 51.

    Chet Murthy

    @lamh36: When I watched it (theatrical release), I almost passed out when Hannibal escapes from the cage. Had to leave the theatre. Then again, I did the same thing in Alien III when the xenomorph confronts Ripley and doesn’t take/kill her (no spoiler — happens -really- early-on). But yeah, SoTL was …. quite creepy.

  55. 55.

    lamh36

    @jimsciutto
    Just in: POTUS on April 20 delegated authority to set official troop levels (Force Management Level) to SecDef Mattis -US Defense Official

  61. 61.

    lamh36

    @Patricia Kayden: The book is really intense. It was on the reading list at my high school in NOLA way back in the 90s (I attended a predom AA high school in NOLA, so our entire reading listing was of course “American” classic, but also a heavy amount of AA authors). Not many folks chose it cause it was so intense…the film had to be as well.

  64. 64.

    Mnemosyne

    @Elizabelle:

    It’s subtle, but it’s in there. It’s all part of the gender construction of the film as well — Buffalo Bill is not a real transwoman because he has a dog, not a cat.

    ETA: It wasn’t in the film, but there’s a big scene in the book where Starling goes to Johns Hopkins and the doctors in the sex change unit show her that BB is definitely not transgendered based on his psychological testing. Leaving that out of the film was a big mistake, IMO.

  65. 65.

    SatanicPanic

    It is kind of seeing an accelerated version of history. Already enmeshed in a huge Nixon like scandal, and they’re trying to run a Reagan style defense. Next he’ll go to a supermarket and not understand what’s going on, he’ll start a war on false pretenses, and Mike Pence will shoot someone in the face.

  66. 66.

    Ian

    @Patricia Kayden:
    Quibble

    It was a huge mistake to allow him to run for our Party’s presidential nomination

    The DNC is not that powerful (something I tell the bernouts that believe the DNC stopped good saint bernard). Access to the primary/caucus ballot is different by state, but normally requires a percentage of party voters signatures.

    Consider- in 2008, Mike Gravel made it onto nearly every state ballot.

  67. 67.

    Villago Delenda Est

    I’m sorry, but if Donald were a company commander in the US Army, and his lieutenants were running brothels, gambling parlors, and knocking over liquor stores with their troops, his professed lack of knowledge would not save his career from the damage.

  68. 68.

    lamh36

    I’ll admit I didn’t watch a whole bunch of Demme’s films, but the one I do remember the most is Philadelphia…still a tear jerker these almost 25 (wow) years later!

  69. 69.

    PPCLI

    @debbie: @TenguPhule:
    During the campaign, National Enquirer had exclusive rights to the story of a former Playboy Playmate of the Year (Karen McDougall, I believe her name was) who credibly claimed (with witnesses, photos etc.) that she had an affair with Donald during his marriage to Melania. The editor simply buried the story — after paying a big chunk of change for exclusive rights — and indeed kept the woman employed as a “correspondent” (who never submitted any stories), presumably to be able to pay her to keep quiet.

    Given that he torpedoed a story that would have issues flying off the shelves like that one would have, I don’t think he will turn on Trump now.

  70. 70.

    Mnemosyne

    @TenguPhule:

    Since always. You’re not supposed to kill a character while you’re in their point of view.

    That’s why the voiceover in Casino is so fucking brilliant — Scorsese kills a character in the middle of his voiceover! It’s so startling because it’s against all of the rules we’re used to.

  71. 71.

    lamh36

    @ZekeJMiller
    SAO on North Korea: “What you’ll see soon is…the military preparations that are under way” Declines to go into detail when pressed

  72. 72.

    Mnemosyne

    Aw, crap. Can I please be released from moderation for using the name of a particular Martin Scorsese movie about Las Vegas?

  74. 74.

    Mnemosyne

    @lamh36:

    “We don’t live in this courtroom, your honor.” ?

    And it was a HUGE deal at the time that a big star like Tom Hanks would play a gay character. Sometimes people forget how quickly our society has changed.

  76. 76.

    joel hanes

    @debbie:

    I’ll be buying my first-ever copy of the Enquirer.

    I suppose that everyone needs to learn some lessons the hard way.
    If you actually read it, you’ll be sickened — even the Trump article with the promising headline.
    The NE and the Globe are toxic swill.

  77. 77.

    PPCLI

    @jon: @Ian: They aren’t turning on Trump. They are setting up Trump’s defense. They’ve identified the people the FBI have dead to rights, and they are preparing an all-out barrage of “It was just these four guys! The Bastards! Thank heavens the president didn’t know anything about it! They took advantage of his trusting nature!”

  79. 79.

    TenguPhule

    @PPCLI:

    They took advantage of his trusting nature!”

    Any judge that doesn’t laugh that defense out of court has been bribed.

  80. 80.

    PPCLI

    @debbie: I think he must mean the English Premier League soccer team currently in first place. I’d advise against it, they are owned by a notorious Putin crony.

  81. 81.

    Ian

    @PPCLI:
    I am just shocked that anyone thinks its newsworthy. If one is convinced Ill Douche is innocent because the NE said so, that individual may already be completely lost anyway.

  82. 82.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @joel hanes: It was fun to buy the “Psychic Predictions” issues and then when the year ended, see how unforeseen circumstances got in the way of the accuracy of the predictions.

  83. 83.

    Steeplejack

    Watching Chris Matthews. P.J. O’Rourke, in addition to being a dick—talking over the two women panelists—looks awful, dissipated. He has “England in 1835” quality teeth. Seriously needs some cosmetic dentistry. And I’m not talking about just for being on TV; I’m talking about for walking around in real life. Scary bad. Lower teeth black and discolored.

    ETA: I’m 25 minutes behind on the DVR.

  84. 84.

    gene108

    I am booking a flight from Phily to Raleigh on Expedia

    Frontier has a non-stop flight at $39.20, not counting additional fees for seat selection, carry-on, etc.

    American Airlines has a non-stop flight at $58.20 with fees only for checked luggage.

    Alaskan Airlines has a 2-Stop flight, with stops in STL and CTL, at $2884.50.

    All flights leave between 8:30 am and 9:00 am.

    This just weirds me out. I hope Alaskan Airlines is offering a gourmet meal or two for those prices.

  85. 85.

    JWR

    @Patricia Kayden:

    @lamh36: So Bernie has become the anti-Dem?

    Speaking of The Bern!, did anyone watch DemocracyNow! yesterday? Guest Cornel West is starting a People’s Progressive Party, drafting Bernie! to run for President! So yeah, we’re gonna have to deal with West, Bernie and Jill Stein for the foreseeable future.

    Here’s the link     if anyone’s interested, and if you are, I would encourage you to scroll down to read Goodman’s final question. West’s answer is, well, evasive, at best.

  86. 86.

    Patricia Kayden

    @PPCLI: That defense seems to have worked for Vincent Gray, D.C.’s former mayor. Several folks who helped him win went to jail but he escaped by saying he knew nothing of their machinations. **rolls eyes**

  88. 88.

    Patricia Kayden

    @JWR: Is there anyone as nauseating and self-conceited as Professor West? He should just name this new party after himself. Would make more sense. The only good thing is that his PPP and Stein’s Green Party may cancel out each other’s impact on the election in 2020 since they’ll most likely be vying for the same gullible voters.

  91. 91.

    debbie

    @lamh36:

    I forgot Demme directed Philadelphia. It’s still one of my favorite movies. It was when I realized Tom Hanks really was an actor, not a clown. That scene where he’s listening to opera gets me every time!

  92. 92.

    Mnemosyne

    @gene108:

    Flights with multiple stops used to be cheaper, but not anymore. Now they’re usually more expensive, which makes sense if you think about it.

  98. 98.

    tobie

    @Baud: Determining troop level is not something that will help him loot the treasury and rake in more bucks, so he’s probably more than willing to let someone else do the work. Better put: like in every other area in his life, he’s willing to have someone else do the work for him, so long as he rakes in the bucks.

  99. 99.

    Steeplejack

    @zhena gogolia:

    Heh. I was shocked! I know some celebrities don’t clean up well for TV, especially writers, especially “edgy,” “contrarian” writers, but, damn, he looked awful.

  100. 100.

    BCHS Class of 1980

    @PPCLI: But that is still very welcome because it’s clearly a fallback defense. As more stuff comes out, the defensive perimeter gets smaller and smaller.

  105. 105.

    Corner Stone

    @Steeplejack: Hayes has really turned to garbage time recently. I much prefer to see Joy Reid in that spot when he’s off promoting his book.
    He’s a smart guy but an awful interviewer and he has no idea what is going on in D politics right now.

  106. 106.

    Steeplejack

    Even Chris Matthews’s questions are exceptionally stupid. It’s not just his opinions when he’s bloviating over his guests.

  107. 107.

    TenguPhule

    @tobie: And take the blame when things go horribly wrong. Which they will. Because these things always come in threes.

  108. 108.

    lollipopguild

    @tobie: The officers who now have this power will be blamed if anything goes wrong. Trump will say he “empowered” them and if it goes wrong the officer gets the blame not trump. If something goes well/right then trump will take the credit. If the mission to kill Bin Laden had gone bad, Obama would have stepped up and taken the blame. If something like that goes wrong on trump’s watch it will be a General/Admiral who gets the blame not the trumpster.

  111. 111.

    Chyron HR

    @Patricia Kayden:

    That defense seems to have worked for Vincent Gray, D.C.’s former mayor.

    Vincent Gray? More like Vincent Price, amirite? Horrorshow looking motherfucker.

  113. 113.

    lamh36

    Great thread from a writer on the impact Philadelphia had on his younger gay self.

    @chrisgeidner
    I’ll never forget sitting alone in a theater watching “Philadelphia,” while the rest of my family watched a kids movie. I was 16 & not out.
    @chrisgeidner
    I cried so much in that theater, afraid of so many things — but also afraid of all the things I didn’t know. Then, I hid it when I left.

    Read entire thread here:
    https://twitter.com/chrisgeidner/status/857269347810758656

  115. 115.

    Swannie

    Sometimes I begin to doubt my sanity. But then I come here and immediately start feeling better.

  117. 117.

    MJS

    @PPCLI: Yes, but they and he won’t be able to square that defense with “Trump is really smart and sharp.” It won’t matter for the NE. It will matter for Trump. He’s not in the last half of his second term like Reagan was.

  118. 118.

    Another Scott

    @gene108: The Alaskan flight is probably designed for people who want to use their frequent flier miles…

    :-/

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  119. 119.

    MJS

    Also, what you can’t see completely in the picture above is that the cover specifically blames Putin for the murder of spies involved in hacking the election. Putin, who as far as readers of the NE know is a good guy, because Trump told them so.

  120. 120.

    TenguPhule

    @MJS:

    Also, what you can’t see completely in the picture above is that the cover specifically blames Putin for the murder of spies involved in hacking the election.

    Progress!

  121. 121.

    The Pale Scot

    Found this over at PZ’s
    https://politicsmeanspolitics.com/this-is-what-makes-my-head-spin-f5542c493384

    The president is not a moral figure in any idiom, any land, any culture, any subculture. I’m not talking about the liberal enlightenment that would make him want the country to take care of the poor and sick. I mean he has no Republican values either. He has no honor among thieves, no cosa nostra loyalty, no Southern code against cheating or lying,

    “he’s very ugly and barely mammalian”,

    yep that’s Trump

  124. 124.

    efgoldman

    @JWR:

    we’re gonna have to deal with West, Bernie and Jill Stein for the foreseeable future.

    Who gives a a shit, as long as none of them runs in the Democratic primaries.

    Fuckem

  125. 125.

    scott alloway

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: In 1976 in a Maine state rep district, we started a campaign for my roommate. The slogan he ran on? “He can be bought” Went nowhere but it was fun.

  128. 128.

    J R in WV

    @gene108:

    So… of course you will be flying Alaska Air, right?

    I booked a trip from WV to Tucson AZ in early April. Departing WV at 6:25 am to Atlanta, then first class to Tucson arriving there around 3 pm. Flight to ATL was canceled, as was the 9 am flight. They ticketed me on an 11 am flight which was delayed until about 11:45.

    So I was going to miss the flight to Tucson, no big, there are several every day.

    When I arrived at Hartsfield, it was like a beehive kicked over, no seats open, flights not on the board, people lying on the floor. There were people trapped there who had been trapped there since Wednesday afternoon.

    TL;DR I never got to Tucson, it was a horrific ordeal just getting on the return to CRW. $835 down the drain.

    A few days later I went by AAA where I bought the tix, got a $700 refund!! Whoot!

    Trump’s fault, all of it. I spent 30 hours on my feet on concrete and marble floors. Sucks! AT least I got my money back, only paid $125 for round trip to Atlanta plus agony. Too old for that shit!

  129. 129.

    Tokyokie

    Humpty Trumpty is a narcissist. If it comes down to him or Jared and Ivanka going to prison, well, Ivanka will be sporting a très à la mode jumpsuit in a vibrant shade of orange.

  133. 133.

    ThresherK

    @efgoldman: I think he lost to the other guy whose slogan was “Luxurious, yet Surprisingly Affordable”.

    People can always be upsold.

  137. 137.

    GregB

    @Steeplejack:

    Looking at his images page. He has a cigar or a cigarette in his mouth in about every 4th picture.

    Not the way to keep those teeth shiny and bright.

  139. 139.

    amk

    @Kropadope:

    He was one of two attorneys who filed for an injunction on behalf of Sanders supporters in the California primary, requesting “re-votes” and an extension of the voter registration deadline. (The request was denied.)

    gotta love them losers, who don’t have the balls to run either as indies or as ‘progressives’.

  140. 140.

    different-church-lady

    @Swannie:

    But then I come here and immediately start feeling better.

    That’s a damn good reason to doubt your sanity.

  141. 141.

    Steeplejack

    @GregB:

    When I wrote my original comment I looked on the Google to see if I could find a recent, illustrative picture. No luck. I was struck by how much healthier he looks in all the Google pictures than he did on Hardball tonight.

    Just went back and did a deeper search (on computer vs. phone). Here are the choppers in question.

  143. 143.

    Kropadope

    @amk: Not what I was saying.. You fuckers get all bent out of shape about anyone running in a Democratic primary who is challenging an incumbent or the preferred candidate of the D bigwigs. It’s like the very idea of democracy bothers you.

    I’ve been having a hard time figuring out how so many have been managing to nurse a grievance so long. Y’all still mad at that uppity Obama feller successfully challenging your anointed queen (I’m not saying this to suggest she sought the title, merely that se has a cult-like following in certain circles) and you’ve been holding your tongue 8 years because he won and that’s hard to argue with. Then when she won the primary in 2012, it was time to let your PUMA freak flags fly, just heaping ridicule on anyone who might so much as consider a different position from yours.

    Sad.

  144. 144.

    randy khan

    @gene108:

    Most likely, Alaska has pretty much filled both of those flights, and is charging accordingly. Airlines are remarkably good at pricing based on demand for a specific flight.

  146. 146.

    amk

    @Kropadope: ‘PUMA’??? dumbass.

    btw, if you bs fanbois can’t handle a few minor barbs in a blog, how you gonna ‘win yoogely’ and teach them corrupt dems a lesson? Again, dumbass.

  148. 148.

    randy khan

    @Kropadope:

    That rant has pretty much nothing to do with what amk said. The point is that voting against Pelosi would be a bad for the district’s influence in Congress, which is true. And it’s not like Pelosi is some blue dog.

    Speaking entirely for myself, I’m not nursing any grievances from 2016, let alone 2008. I supported HRC in 2008 – both money and my vote – but I was pretty happy with Obama as the nominee, and supported him with both money and my vote as well once he was nominated. While I would have rather that Bernie had dropped out when it was obvious he was going to lose the nomination, and I was a bit unhappy with him for going after HRC with attacks that the Republicans could use, I also realize that politics ain’t beanbag, and he did come around at the end. I do, however, reserve the right to be annoyed with, and criticize, people who call the Democratic Party corrupt because they don’t actually represent the majority in the party.

  150. 150.

    The Blog Dahlia

    @amk:

    The amazing part of his dumbass-tastic screed is, the Bernie guys are this cycle’s PUMAs. To bring up the ones in 08 that way is just the height of ham handed projection.

  151. 151.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @clay: Yeah, many of the people here who were pissed at Bernie for staying in the race after it was obvious that he could not win were pissed at Hillary for doing the same thing in 2008.

  154. 154.

    Kropadope

    @amk: I can handle a few barbs just fine. I handle them by calling you out on hating the democratic process and fact checking the various sordid delusions I see around here.

  155. 155.

    clay

    @Omnes Omnibus: Yeah, we’re remarkably consistent about being against sore-loser-ism and pointless crusades.

    Which is why we’re not hypocritical about Pelosi’s primary challenger. She’s the most progressive Speaker of my lifetime, but somehow that’s not good enough? Puh-leaze.

    (Incidentally, Hillary was the most progressive Democratic presidential candidate of my lifetime, except maybe Carter*, but somehow that wasn’t good enough either.)

    (*I was born in ’76, so I don’t really know how Carter ran.)

  159. 159.

    Kropadope

    @randy khan:

    That rant has pretty much nothing to do with what amk said. The point is that voting against Pelosi would be a bad for the district’s influence in Congress, which is true. And it’s not like Pelosi is some blue dog.

    Still, though, I don’t see a problem with someone running against her. this person has issues they want to bring to the forefront, I’m sure, and will likely get totally blown out of the water. I think Pelosi’s the bees knees, and how, but I’m open to the idea that some people might…disagree.

    And if her district votes her out, that’s their prerogative and doesn’t at all mean they haven’t reconciled their vote with the loss of prestige for their district. Still, I strongly doubt they’ll do this, so what’s the harm?

    ETA: Also, thanks for the cogent response.

  160. 160.

    Steve in the ATL

    @clay: Carter was more conservative than the democratic majorities in the senate and the house. He was (and is) one of the finest human beings on the planet, but he was not as progressive as Hillary.

  165. 165.

    Kropadope

    @Omnes Omnibus: What, you and other people can make bad faith allegations toward whomever you want and I just gotta sit all nicey nice in the corner? Fuckoff.

    And I was here in 08 and there was plenty of anti-Obama butthurt to go around. In fact, it dwelled on a lot of the same attitudes and criticisms, it was just recontextualized for 2016.

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    Omnes Omnibus

    @Kropadope: Bad faith? Right. Dude, most of the PUMAs who were around in 2008 have gone away. The core of people who stayed here were O-bots. And most of the O-bots supported Hillary as his natural successor, temperamentally and ideologically.

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    TenguPhule

    @Kropadope:

    Still, I strongly doubt they’ll do this, so what’s the harm?

    Narrative, dumbass.

    Trying to unseat Republicans is hard enough without bringing in “Democrats are just as corrupt” into the fing mix.

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