Nearly 1300 children die and 5790 are treated for gunshot wounds each year. Boys, older children, and minorities are disproportionately affected. Although unintentional firearm deaths among children declined from 2002 to 2014 and firearm homicides declined from 2007 to 2014, firearm suicides decreased between 2002 and 2007 and then showed a significant upward trend from 2007 to 2014. Rates of firearm homicide among children are higher in many Southern states and parts of the Midwest relative to other parts of the country. Firearm suicides are more dispersed across the United States with some of the highest rates occurring in Western states. Firearm homicides of younger children often occurred in multivictim events and involved intimate partner or family conflict; older children more often died in the context of crime and violence. Firearm suicides were often precipitated by situational and relationship problems. The shooter playing with a gun was the most common circumstance surrounding unintentional firearm deaths of both younger and older children.
Guns kill kids. That baseline number, almost 1300 kids every twelve months, is more than a 9/11 every three years.
Guns don’t just kill kids; they are a leading cause of death for children and teenagers. The data in the chart below don’t perfectly line up, as it doesn’t break out gun homicides and suicides from the overall rates by all methods, but still here are ball park figures.
(To weight those numbers, the FBI reports that as of 2014, roughly two thirds of all murders were committed with a gun, and the CDC reports that guns are involved in about half of all suicides. Childhood figures may weight more towards firearms for a couple of reasons, but I haven’t dived into the data and I’m not a domain expert, so value that opinion as you will.)
In any event, it doesn’t take much to see this as a peculiarly American evil. In the discussion section of the paper quoted above:
International studies indicate that 91% of firearm deaths of children aged 0 to 14 years among all high-income countries worldwide occur in the United States, making firearm injuries a serious pediatric and public health problem in the United States.14
The net:
Approximately 19 children a day die or are medically treated in an ED for a gunshot wound in the United States. The majority of these children are boys 13 to 17 years old, African American in the case of firearm homicide, and white and American Indian in the case of firearm suicide.
Nineteen kids a day, killed and wounded, and the Republican Party is completely on board with that.
We all knew that of course; now we’ve got numbers. What will this nation do with this newly quantified knowledge?
Nothing: the slaughter of American children will continue until the tree of liberty swallows us whole.
ETA: On a moment’s reflection, that’s too damn depressing even for me. Eventually this country will get sick of self-murder. I hope that day comes sooner than I’m thinking now.
Image: Nicholas Poussin, The Massacre of the Innocents, (drawing for this painting) c. 1628-9
Ryan
Maybe there is somebody we can invade?
Aleta
bleed, ryan
The Moar You Know
We’ve had number for decades, and have been throwing numbers at the NRA cult devotees for decades, and it has done nothing. We would have been better off pelting them with marshmallows.
The core problem as far as I can see is not education: everyone knows gun are dangerous, and that guns kill kids, and that you’re a lot more likely to die by the gun if you have one. The problem is this: At least half and likely far more than half of the US population is totally OK with that.
dr. bloor
Like racism, the country’s gun fetish is going to require the national equivalent of gene therapy to be successfully treated.
So, not anytime soon.
Brendancalling
We will never get sick of self-murder.
JMG
It is more important for white men (the majority of gun owners, especially multi-gun owners) to have their fantasy of someday slaughtering nonwhite “bad guys” than for anyone else to live safely, even their own children.
RosiesDad
20 kindergarteners and another 6 staff members were brutally murdered in a CT elementary school four and a half years ago and the most prominent social response was a pro-gun, open carry demonstration at the local Starbucks a couple of weeks later. Congress held some hearings and then did nothing.
Mass murders happen every day and we are numb to it.
Nothing will change until the public demands something change by voting NRA toadies out of office. I don’t see that happening in my lifetime.
trollhattan
As is often the case, The Onion has it exactly right.
gene108
We need a lot of money to throw at de-indoctrination of people, who are so fucking nuts, that upon realizing Barack Hussein Obama II was about to be elected President of the United States of America, in 2008, decided to clean out every gun store in America of ammunition and stock pile guns.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%9313_United_States_ammunition_shortage
This was done in response to a man elected President, who campaigned on a platform of not doing a damn thing about gun laws.
This was done because of chain e-mails about secret-Muslim-terrorist-fist-jab-re-education-centers or some such.
People spent hundreds and maybe thousands of dollars on guns, in the middle of the worst economic crash in 80 years, just because they have been programmed to be so paranoid about “gun grabbers”.
The only way to change anything is to invest heavily in figuring out how to de-program these folks, because otherwise they will make enough noise to cancel out rational discussion and thought.
West of the Rockies (been a while)
Is it accurate to say boys are disproportionately affected if they are the ones playing with and handling the guns?
Amaranthine RBG
unintentional firearm deaths among children declined from 2002 to 2014 and firearm homicides declined from 2007 to 2014
Anyone got any info about the number of guns in circulation during that period?
How about the number people with concealed carry permits?
The Moar You Know
@gene108: The Wiki article, if anything, understates the issue. Gotta start by saying I’ve been shooting all my life. So occasionally I gotta go buy some ammo. Well, between 2008 and 2013 you couldn’t get any. Anywhere. It was amazing. But it didn’t stop in 2013. There are still some calibers, .22 long rifle for example, which I still can’t find in most places. Most common round in the world and you gotta hit four stores to find any at all.
Also, what the wiki article really doesn’t cover at all is gun prices. Back in 2002, if you wanted a Ruger Mini-14 rifle, they were $299 brand new. In 2016 they were $949 for the same weapon with no changes whatsoever. If I were a firearms company I’d probably be giving half my income to the NRA because they’ve made me rich beyond the dreams of Croesus.
Final point on how good the black man in the White House was for gun makers and sellers: since Trump got elected, the price of a Ruger Mini-14 has fallen to $749 and is continuing to fall every month.
@West of the Rockies (been a while): I would say not. When a kid gets shot or shoots someone, every single person around that kid is affected quite severely, often for the rest of their lives. Collateral damage is still damage.
Amaranthine RBG
@The Moar You Know:
That’s sort of like saying that everyone knows you shouldn’t drive “too fast”
Gun safety programs, subsidized gun locks, proper storage laws, etc reduce death and injury. And for the most part such things are widely supported
It’s unfortunate that people often choose to devote their time to counterproductive gun confiscation schemes rather than focusing on what works.
Major Major Major Major
@trollhattan: I prefer “No Way To Prevent This”, Says Only Nation Where This Happens Regularly
? ?? Goku (aka Junior G-Man) ? ?
@The Moar You Know:
That’s the power of racism and extreme ideology driving those prices down. Their man is in power and is going to do all the nasty dirty work for them with the backing of the state so they don’t have to get their own hands dirty. The 2nd Amendment is for right wing white Americans to shoot anyone they don’t like
scav
The blood of congressmen (and presumably NRA-reps) is apparently the only type the vampire-tree is too delicate to feed itself upon.
The Moar You Know
@? ?? Goku (aka Junior G-Man) ? ?: You’re goddamn right it is. Or more precisely, it’s killing demand, which is driving prices through the floor.
? ?? Goku (aka Junior G-Man) ? ?
@Amaranthine RBG: Its real counterproductive everywhere else in the world where it works… wait
Betty Cracker
@Amaranthine RBG: It doesn’t matter how widely supported those measures are, as we found out post-Sandy Hook when commonsense safety laws like improved background checks, etc., enjoyed support rates of more than 90% but congress did nothing and did not pay a price for it. This is the NRA’s world. We’re just sheltering in place in it.
rikyrah
SCOTUS holds that naturalized citizen may not lose citizenship based on false statements that were immaterial to gaining citizenship
— SCOTUSblog (@SCOTUSblog) June 22, 2017
rikyrah
Security is quite literally dragging people away from outside McConnell’s office pic.twitter.com/70uJ4P88rS
— Steve Kopack (@SteveKopack) June 22, 2017
? ?? Goku (aka Junior G-Man) ? ?
@rikyrah: That sounds good. Wonder how Gorsuck voted? Probably like a good little xenophobe
rikyrah
The Senate #HealthcareBill bill cuts BILLIONS from Medicaid, which 1.75 million #veterans use for coverage, to fund tax cuts for the rich. pic.twitter.com/QbDbQnBcVt
— VoteVets (@votevets) June 22, 2017
rikyrah
Elderly people in wheelchairs outside McConnell office are being forcibly removed/arrested for protesting Republicans #HealthcareBill. #BCRA pic.twitter.com/sRImvvAkui
— The Baxter Bean (@TheBaxterBean) June 22, 2017
rikyrah
Hey @DNC here’s your talking points catchy phrase for the AHCA. It’s not a health care bill, it’s a #wealthcarebill. You’re welcome. https://t.co/ESNlBMuhd0
— Andrew C Laufer, Esq (@lauferlaw) June 22, 2017
Mike J
? ?? Goku (aka Junior G-Man) ? ?
@rikyrah: First they came for the elderly…
zhena gogolia
@RosiesDad:
Connecticut enacted gun-control measures after Sandy Hook.
The Moar You Know
@Amaranthine RBG: You are full of shit and I say this as someone who shoots.
Gun safety programs are mocked,
subsidized gun locks don’t exist,
proper storage laws are routinely ignored,
And for the most part none of these things are in any way supported by most American gun owners.
It’s unfortunate that people choose to pretend that gun confiscation schemes won’t work, because as Australia and Canada show, they actually work extremely well.
I’ll be the first one in line to dump every single one of my firearms into the crucible as soon as we pass such a law. Until then, I’m keeping them as protection from you and your insane right-wing pals.
Timurid
@rikyrah:
Even with Gorsuch on board, the Supreme Court is not performing up to Dear Leader’s high standards.
So, court packing time? That, or Breyer mysteriously falls five times down the same flight of stairs and Ginsburg is killed in a freak jaguar attack…
Adam L Silverman
@West of the Rockies (been a while): Yes.
Chris
@The Moar You Know:
Fixed that for you! If Democratic presidents are the source of my business, let’s keep electing them!
Adam L Silverman
@Amaranthine RBG: Here you go:
http://www.norc.org/PDFs/GSS%20Reports/GSS_Trends%20in%20Gun%20Ownership_US_1972-2014.pdf
https://b-i.forbesimg.com/frankminiter/files/2013/10/6751978645_34dddb936b.jpg
http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2015/12/09/us/gun-sales-terrorism-obama-restrictions-1449710314128/gun-sales-terrorism-obama-restrictions-1449710314128-articleLarge-v6.jpg
Adam L Silverman
@The Moar You Know: Seek and ye shall find:
http://www.sgammo.com/product/22-lr-ammo/100-round-plastic-pack-22-lr-winchester-power-point-hv-40-grain-copper-hollow-poi
http://www.sgammo.com/product/22-lr-ammo/3250-round-case-22-lr-federal-automatch-bulk-pack-40-grain-lead-1200-fps-ammo-am2
The Moar You Know
@Chris: lolz. You have a point. I’d split it. You’ve probably never seen any of their fundraising beg letters. Some fucking retailer signed me up for them back in the late 1990s, but I was glad as it was a real eye-opener into what Republicans think, even back then. I’ll simplify one:
DEMOCRATS ARE COMING TO TAKE YOUR GUNS AND LET BLACK MEN AND DIRTY MEXICANS HAVE THEIR WAY WITH YOUR WOMEN
The last one I got from them, somewhere around 2012, was still flogging Ted Kennedy as one of the existential threats to American gun ownership, and this after he’d been dead for three years. They always mentioned three names:
Nancy Pelosi
Ted Kennedy
Hillary Clinton (of course)
oddly enough, never Bill Clinton.
It would be interesting, although not interesting enough to sign on for more of their junk mail, to see if Hillary is still on the list. Bet she is.
Adam L Silverman
@The Moar You Know: @? ?? Goku (aka Junior G-Man) ? ?: And that’s why new bogeymen have to be created.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/06/robert-farago/georgia-republican-pac-ad-congressional-shooting-draws-democratic-outrage-video/
Ian G.
I’m disappointed that David Frum apologized for his excellent (I thought) line about how the “Tree of Liberty” must be watered with the blood of Newtown schoolchildren. I guess its specificity struck a nerve with some, but I loved it.
Adam L Silverman
So what does the Armed Intelligentsia have to say about this topic?
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/06/robert-farago/quote-day-media-darlings-forgot-fact-childhood-shootings/
Adam L Silverman
@rikyrah: Good.
Adam L Silverman
@rikyrah: Here you go:
Amir Khalid
That nine out of ten kids 14 and under who get shot and killed in high-income nations were from just one country would normally indicate a crisis. In any country but America, publicising such a statistic would result in calls for prompt legislative action: strict rules for who gets to possess and carry weapons, including competence tests; for storage of firearms, with severe penalties for carelessness even when nobody dies; and so on.
But in your country, the NRA would like to see more guns in the public’s hands, more people hoarding guns, and everyone made eligible to have a gun — even children, the mentally ill, and the blind. It can extort support from enough politicians to pass freedom-of-weaponry laws that defy common sense and make life really difficult for the police. It has fostered a culture of treating guns as big boys’ toys. It has that power because of a long-outdated Constitutional provision intended to give states the power to call up a citizen security force, for which the state often lacked the resources to provide the gear in the Republic’s early years. That still amazes me.
Adam L Silverman
@Mike J: Unless public opposition means “there is no way I will vote for this”, then this is all playing to the rubes in the media.
Yutsano
@Timurid:
In that fight, my money’s on RBG.
The Moar You Know
@Adam L Silverman: Thanks, Adam! In the last month, I finally managed to find a local source that will get it and hold it for me when asked. Don’t like buying ammo online, and I suspect CA is going to make it even more of a hassle to do so than it currently is.
I have heard, anecdotally, that quite a few gun shop and Walmart employees have been getting cash “tips” (bribes) from people to hold all of their chosen caliber on the loading dock, so it literally never hits the sales floor. Wouldn’t be surprised.
? ?? Goku (aka Junior G-Man) ? ?
@Adam L Silverman:
I would imagine the outrage is about using a tragedy like that solely and explicitly for political gain. That and using language that the alt-reich uses
Amir Khalid
@Timurid:
Are the Justices still hearing cases from before his appointment?
? ?? Goku (aka Junior G-Man) ? ?
@Adam L Silverman: I Want To Believe
Mike in DC
What would be the impact on gun violence if we “phased out” the War on Drugs? If we cut the poverty rate in half? If we had universal mental health care? If we rigorously enforced taking guns away from domestic abusers?
Adam L Silverman
@The Moar You Know: I stay signed up for the emails from NAGR and their state affiliate just to see the amount of insane stuff they pump out in a minimum of three emails a day looking for money. As far as I can tell NAGR doesn’t actually do anything other than raise money by trying to freak people out. Occasionally they have Senator Paul send me one. And yes, HRC is still referenced.
Adam L Silverman
@The Moar You Know: You’re welcome. I buy my training ammo from them. Never had any problems.
D58826
Don’t worry, the GOP plan to take away heath care will result in such a BIGLY HUGELY number of children dying from preventable illness that the gun numbers will just be a rounding error (SNARK SNARK).
I sort of understand what makes a Ted Bundy, the hillside strangler and the other legion of mass murders tick. But these are men and women elected to some of the most important positions in our government. They go home and hug their kids and grand kids. Last week several of them formed a human shield in the dugout to protect their colleague’s 10 year old son. Most are Christian and go to church on Sunday and talk about their relationship with a man who preached ‘that which you do TO the least of my brothers and sisters you do to me. And that which you do FOR the least of my brother and sisters you do for me.’ The reason GOD destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah was not gay sex, it was the failure of the citizens to show the required hospitality to three angels of the Lord disguised as travelers. I’m sure the Quran and the holy books of the other great religions have similar teachings.
How do they look themselves in the mirror. One would almost think they they were preparing resumes to fill job openings at Auschwitz.
Adam L Silverman
@? ?? Goku (aka Junior G-Man) ? ?: Read the comments.
? ?? Goku (aka Junior G-Man) ? ?
@Adam L Silverman:
What Huntmaster doesn’t get is That’s literally all talk, aside from confirmed guy. Its bullshit
Adam L Silverman
@? ?? Goku (aka Junior G-Man) ? ?: They are a special bunch.
D58826
@Amir Khalid: You have nailed it. I think some countries actually issued travel advisories to people planning a visit to the US.
I rememeber a decade or so ago, after a number of violent carjacking incidents in Miami, several European counties issue alerts to their citizens to avoid Miami as a destination if they could
Major Major Major Major
@Amir Khalid:
They already won that fight with Heller thanks to that fat fuck Scalia. It’s an inalienable constitutional right at the moment.
Amaranthine RBG
@Betty Cracker:
I agree that there should be better background checks. The problem is that many gun owner fear that is just a first step towards confiscation. People (like you) who repeatedly call for seizure of all private firearms and constantly belittle gun owners as ammosexuals don’t do much to diminish that fear.
@The Moar You Know:
Gun safety programs are mocked,
Yes, by some. I’ve taught gun safety classes for years and there is always a couple of guys in the back of the room who make it clear that they know more about guns than anyone else in the room and that they are there only because they have to be. Fine. But there are people there who do find it valuable and often learn something.
subsidized gun locks don’t exist,
I’ve given out over a thousand of them that I received at no cost. From NSSF and other groups: http://www.projectchildsafe.org/
It’s pretty common to see tubs of free locks sitting on the counter at gun stores.
Many manufacturers include gun locks along with their firearms. I’ve received such locks from Sig, Smith and Wesson, Browning (actually chamber locks), and Savage.
proper storage laws are routinely ignored,
Yes, that happens. People routinely speed and drive drunk, too. You can just throw up your hands and be a purity pony and not do anything because the shining perfect solution doesn’t exist, or you can take steps that work, albeit imperfectly.
You are full of shit and I say this as someone who shoots.
I think your statements above, when compared to reality, show that you are the one who is full of shit.
EthylEster
Might be an interesting table…
Whatever happened to “click to embiggen”?
Betty Cracker
@Amaranthine RBG: If I “repeatedly call for seizure of all private firearms,” it should be pretty easy for you to find a few links to substantiate that claim. Go on. I’ll wait.
Amaranthine RBG
@Betty Cracker:
Gosh, I guess I must have confused you with someone else.
So you think that people should be able to own firearms in America?
Chris
@Amir Khalid:
I increasingly think there are a lot of things which would ring alarm bells – from the locals and also from the international community – if they happened in any non-Western nation, or even many Western nation, and don’t in America solely because of a perception that, y’know, this is America, this shouldn’t/doesn’t happen here, if we admit that it has, then we’re admitting that we’re not all that and a bag of chips, so let’s just ignore it.
Betty Cracker
@Amaranthine RBG: Got links? Or a retraction? Either one will do.
trollhattan
@Amaranthine RBG:
Not Betty but Japan’s system sounds quite good. Six gun deaths in 2014. How about that as a goal?
D58826
@Amaranthine RBG:
Look on the bright side – when they accidentally blow the family jewels off not only will they not be able to pass ‘stupid’ to any further kids but under Trumpcare they will have to pay the entire ER bill. A win all around.
Laura
Suffer unto us the little children.
ruckus
@JMG:
Well jeezzze how could my kids possibily live in a world that does not consist only of the master -white- race? How will they know they’ve accomplished anything if anyone outside the master race has anything? I mean with their upbringing and crappy education they can’t possibly get far in life, they need all the help possible.
StringOnAStick
I grew up with guns, did some target shooting, and carried one (illegally obviously since it was the early 1980’s) when I worked by myself out in remote areas; I sold it years ago after I realized that it wasn’t effective for the scenarios I could possibly find myself in for work and that it was also small enough to annoy and enrage a bear, not make it go away.
I have to wonder how many people who kill themselves with a gun wouldn’t have done so if there hadn’t been a gun readily available, and what the NRA wants is many, many more readily available guns so they’re fine with the US suicide by gun rate and the accidental gun-related death rate. Profits above all. I’m glad I no longer own a gun; life’s been difficult lately and the black dog has been sniffing around so the last thing we need in this house is a gun.
Amaranthine RBG
@Betty Cracker:
So you think that people should be able to own firearms in America?
Look, have you nothing better to do than play these stupid games. We both know what you have posted. I certainly don’t give enough of a shit to scroll through your past posts.
You can resolve this right here and now by simply responding to whether you think people should be able to own firearms in America.
Why won’t you do that?
Hmmmm????
Interested more in playing games than speaking honestly?
Mnemosyne
@Amaranthine RBG:
The fact that you still support gun ownership after what happened at Newtown tells us a lot more about your morals than you seem to realize.
You’re okay with 6 and 7 year olds being murdered at school as long as it means you get to keep your toys, so go fuck yourself with one of the guns you love more than your fellow human beings.
trollhattan
@Amaranthine RBG:
That you frame this as a binary question shows you cannot actually discuss it.
ThresherK
When did the NRA officially jettison what seemed like their mantra from the ’70s and ’80s: “Enforce the laws already on the books”?
TenguPhule
@Mnemosyne: That’s not a battle you’re going to win, we’re stuck with guns for all because of that Shithead Scalia.and his four friends. National registry with fucking huge fines for not registering is the only way to start curbing the problem. When people are actually punished for not being responsible gun owners, a lot of the problems will start to become less so.
TenguPhule
@ThresherK: When they got taken over by the Facist Right with lots of funding from Russia.
Mnemosyne
@TenguPhule:
Plessy v Ferguson was the law of the land and totally constitutional until a group of brave people banded together at the risk of their own lives to fight it.
That’s what it’s going to take at this point to turn things around.
Betty Cracker
@Amaranthine RBG: No, we apparently don’t both know what I have posted. You made the allegation that I “repeatedly call for seizure of all private firearms.” That’s not true. I asked you to substantiate it, and you’re declining to do so because you “don’t give a shit” or “we both know” blah blah blah.
But thanks for making that incorrect assumption and then failing in such lame fashion to substantiate it. It’s a great example of how wrong you were at #57 when you said the obstacle to enacting commonsense gun safety laws is people like me. Nope, it’s actually people like you, who assume that anyone who is frustrated as fuck with the NRA’s capture of our legislature at every level and the refusal to do anything to stem the 30K+ gun deaths annually is against all private firearm ownership across the board. Ammosexual paranoia: you’re soaking in it!
Obstinate fuckheads who insist on unfettered access to every type of firearm everywhere are moving more reasonable people toward a maximalist position with each atrocity, something I have mentioned — and that’s on the gun nuts. But yes, I do think people should be able to own guns in America, under certain conditions. I grew up in a rural area in a hunting family and have no problem with folks having hunting rifles, target pistols, etc., as long as they are properly secured (under penalty of jail) and the folks who purchase the weapons can pass a background check.
I am in favor of banning weapons that can fire hundreds of rounds per minute as well as large magazines. I would also prohibit weapons and ammo hoarding if I ran the zoo. But to emphasize again, this is not the same as “repeatedly call[ing] for seizure of all private firearms.” You were just flat-out lying or making paranoid assumptions. Not surprising. It’s what gun nuts do, which is one reason why kids and other innocent people will continue to die needlessly.
Amaranthine RBG
@Betty Cracker:
But yes, I do think people should be able to own guns in America, under certain conditions
@Mnemosyne:
The fact that you still support gun ownership after what happened at Newtown tells us a lot more about your morals than you seem to realize.
,
,
,
But, seriously, Betty, I’m glad to hear that you support Americans’ rights to own firearms, subject to reasonable restrictions. We share common ground here. I apologize for misstating your position.
Tom Levenson
@Amaranthine RBG: I used to give reasoned responses to marginally not-trollish lines of argument like yours, but I’ve given up. Status quo arguments accept what should be obviously an unacceptable situation. Got no reason to spend valuable time I could use to rearrange my socks fucking around with such moral imbecility.
Mnemosyne
@Amaranthine RBG:
Look, I realize you’re a little ashamed that you masturbated to the thought of six-year-old children’s bodies being ripped apart by bullets from the same kind of gun that you own, but we already know you did it, so there’s no point in pretending otherwise.
Amaranthine RBG
@Tom Levenson:
It’s certainly easier to polish up one’s purity pony than to look at reality for what it is and try to make progress within the bounds of what is possible.
I don’t how many deaths or injuries I have prevented by teaching safety classes, lecturing, working as a range master, and distributing free gun locks. Maybe none at all. But certainly more than I would have prevented by re-arranging my sock drawer.
? ?? Goku (aka Junior G-Man) ? ?
@Amaranthine RBG:
@Tom Levenson:
Banning time, Tom?
Mnemosyne
@Amaranthine RBG:
Wow, you’ve prevented more than 30,000 deaths a year just by teaching a few classes and distributing a couple of gun locks? You should get the next fucking Nobel Peace Prize for your services to humanity.
Tom Levenson
@Amaranthine RBG: Nice try. No cigar.
Tom Levenson
@? ?? Goku (aka Junior G-Man) ? ?: Nah. If reckless stupidity were a banning offense…
Amaranthine RBG
@Mnemosyne:
You _are_ special.
satby
@Amaranthine RBG: Jesus dude, lay off the pie. You’ll get fat.
? ?? Goku (aka Junior G-Man) ? ?
@Amaranthine RBG: Can’t you use ? Anyway, you’re an asshole
sunny raines
when can we talk about divorce – I want nothing to do with any republican and am perfectly willing to give them red state territory as long as they no longer vote for my Blue POTUS, or my Blue Congress representatives, or have a say in seating judges on my Blue Judiciary. They can have their own and never the twain shall meet except to the extent people from the two separate countries want to trade and visit. Time for repugxit from USA (they’re welcome to have the name USA – we’ll make a new one).
Mnemosyne
@Amaranthine RBG:
Hey, you’re the one who looked at the deaths of 26 people — 20 of them children — and immediately thought, OMG, they’re gonna take my toys away!
The day you threw your lot in with the people who are harassing the families and friends of murder victims because you didn’t want to lose access to your playthings was the day you lost any shred of human decency you once had and any claim to being a moral person.
RosiesDad
@Amir Khalid: It’s completely irrational and something that should both shock and embarrass Americans. I am embarrassed that it does not.