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You are here: Home / Politics / America / And, of Course, We Have Breaking News…

And, of Course, We Have Breaking News…

by Adam L Silverman|  July 31, 20178:54 pm| 274 Comments

This post is in: America, Domestic Politics, Election 2016, Foreign Affairs, Media, Open Threads, Politics, Not Normal

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Fortunately I did that Browder testimony piece you all have been asking about before checking social media feeds…

Exclusive: President Trump personally dictated the misleading statement on Donald Trump Jr.’s meeting with Russians https://t.co/FvPd6bU3Jf

— Washington Post (@washingtonpost) July 31, 2017

While it’s not a crime to lie to the news media, given the ongoing counterintelligence and criminal investigations being supervised by Special Counsel Mueller this is not good!

The strategy, the advisers agreed, should be for Donald Trump Jr. to release a statement to get ahead of the story. They wanted to be truthful, so their account couldn’t be repudiated later if the full details emerged.

But within hours, at the president’s direction, the plan changed.

Flying home from Germany on July 8 aboard Air Force One, Trump personally dictated a statement in which Trump Jr. said that he and the Russian lawyer had “primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children” when they met in June 2016, according to multiple people with knowledge of the deliberations. The statement, issued to the New York Times as it prepared an article, emphasized that the subject of the meeting was “not a campaign issue at the time.”

The claims were later shown to be misleading.

“This was . . . unnecessary,” said one of the president’s advisers, who like most other people interviewed for this article spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive internal deliberations. “Now someone can claim he’s the one who attempted to mislead. Somebody can argue the president is saying he doesn’t want you to say the whole truth.”

“This was . . . unnecessary,” said one of the president’s advisers about his direct involvement in the statement https://t.co/A5AO7ckbL3 pic.twitter.com/unRxHpfQN2

— Washington Post (@washingtonpost) August 1, 2017

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274Comments

  1. 1.

    JPL

    July 31, 2017 at 8:57 pm

    The best hire that the Post did was Marty Baron, because he is fearless. Great reporting, and twitter reminds me that Trump spoke to Putin about adoptions also.

  2. 2.

    TenguPhule

    July 31, 2017 at 8:57 pm

    Game on.

  3. 3.

    Keith P.

    July 31, 2017 at 8:57 pm

    A new candidate for Worst WH Week Ever is born on Monday evening, right on schedule.

  4. 4.

    Laura

    July 31, 2017 at 8:57 pm

    So much winning!
    Show of hands – who already suspected that Don Senior dictated the lie, but was also present at the meeting?

  5. 5.

    Quinerly

    July 31, 2017 at 8:57 pm

    It’s becoming very obvious that Corner Stone has a life without us.?

  6. 6.

    Baud

    July 31, 2017 at 8:58 pm

    But what about Hillary? So unfair.

  7. 7.

    TenguPhule

    July 31, 2017 at 8:58 pm

    @Laura:

    Show of hands – who already suspected that Don Senior dictated the lie, but was also present at the meeting?

    I am running out of hands.

  8. 8.

    Villago Delenda Est

    July 31, 2017 at 8:58 pm

    An innocent man doesn’t behave like this.

  9. 9.

    Soprano2

    July 31, 2017 at 8:59 pm

    I saw this on CNN earlier, and wondered when it would show up here. How can anyone deny he’s acting like a guilty man? It gets more obvious every day. The coming tweetstorm will be epic, believe me!

  10. 10.

    Gin & Tonic

    July 31, 2017 at 8:59 pm

    @Laura: I am very confident he was at the meeting.

  11. 11.

    JPL

    July 31, 2017 at 8:59 pm

    From the article

    Trump, they say, is increasingly acting as his own lawyer, strategist and publicist, often disregarding the recommendations of the professionals he has hired.
    “He refuses to sit still,” the presidential adviser said. “He doesn’t think he’s in any legal jeopardy, so he really views this as a political problem he is going to solve by himself.”

    BTW Gen. Kelly is doing a great job at plugging the leaks.

  12. 12.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 31, 2017 at 9:00 pm

    @Laura: It would explain Sekulow’s strange comment about the Secret Service.

  13. 13.

    Mnemosyne

    July 31, 2017 at 9:01 pm

    As I said in one of the threads below, of course Trump did this personally. Narcissists are fucking control freaks and always assume they’re smarter than everyone around them.

  14. 14.

    Baud

    July 31, 2017 at 9:01 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Good call.

  15. 15.

    scottinnj

    July 31, 2017 at 9:01 pm

    “Hope Hicks, the White House director of strategic communications and one of the president’s most trusted and loyal aides”

    Can we just call her his mistress already?

  16. 16.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 31, 2017 at 9:01 pm

    @JPL: Most likely this had leaked a week or so ago. These stories don’t usually appear the same day as the leak.

  17. 17.

    TenguPhule

    July 31, 2017 at 9:01 pm

    @JPL:

    “He doesn’t think he’s in any legal jeopardy, so he really views this as a political problem he is going to solve by himself.”

    Remember, he thinks he can self-pardon his way out of this at any time.

  18. 18.

    Kay

    July 31, 2017 at 9:02 pm

    What about Kushner? Was he asked about the statement at his hearing?

  19. 19.

    TenguPhule

    July 31, 2017 at 9:02 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    An innocent man doesn’t behave like this.

    Donald Trump hasn’t been innocent since he put out a hit on puberty.

  20. 20.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 31, 2017 at 9:02 pm

    I knew it! Of course he was there.

  21. 21.

    efgoldman

    July 31, 2017 at 9:04 pm

    @JPL:

    “He doesn’t think he’s in any legal jeopardy, so he really views this as a political problem he is going to solve by himself.”

    What’s the old saying about fools for clients….

  22. 22.

    mai naem mobile

    July 31, 2017 at 9:04 pm

    @Laura: when I first read your reply I saw ‘Dan Senor’ and I was like ‘wahhhh, that douchebag was at the meeting too?’

  23. 23.

    Thoughtful David

    July 31, 2017 at 9:04 pm

    Wouldn’t this fall under witness-tampering? Jr. is surely a witness in the collusion investigation.

  24. 24.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 31, 2017 at 9:05 pm

    it’s not a crime to lie to the news media

    Probably just as well for Trump, since if it were he’d be facing close to 450 life sentences, to be served consecutively.

  25. 25.

    mai naem mobile

    July 31, 2017 at 9:05 pm

    First test for John Kelly. We’ll have to see if Dolt45 has a twitter meltdown at 3AM.

  26. 26.

    lamh36

    July 31, 2017 at 9:06 pm

    Per Joy Ann, subbing for Rachel, MSNBC has statement from WH outside lawyer…

    “Fake News…”
    really, the one sentence response began with “Fake News…”

  27. 27.

    TenguPhule

    July 31, 2017 at 9:07 pm

    Meanwhile, the most dangerous man in Washington prepares to burn it all down.

    To be sure, all these aides and bureaucrats are doing damage. They are degrading norms, enacting bad policy and putting our country and planet at grave risk.

    But right now the “most dangerous” title belongs — aside from the tweeter in chief, of course — to someone in a much less sexy job, with a much less scandalous background.

    It’s Mick Mulvaney, director of the Office of Management and Budget.

    In terms of both immensity and immediacy, the threat Mulvaney presents is far greater than any of the slow-motion train wrecks happening elsewhere in the administration. That’s because he seems hell-bent on wreaking a global crisis within the next two months.

    Why more media outlets aren’t noticing the debt ceiling is on par with their crime last year of ignoring Trump’s scandals in favor of “Her Emailz!”

  28. 28.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 31, 2017 at 9:07 pm

    @scottinnj: The whole timeline/thread is worth a good laugh:

    Hope Hicks looks down at her notebook. With a red pen she neatly crosses out the name:
    -MICHAEL FLYNN

    She smiles and turns the page…

    — Comfortably Smug (@ComfortablySmug) February 14, 2017

    Hope Hicks looks down at her notebook. With a red pen she neatly crosses out the name:
    -JARED KUSHNER

    She smiles and turns the page…

    — Comfortably Smug (@ComfortablySmug) May 27, 2017

  29. 29.

    lamh36

    July 31, 2017 at 9:08 pm

    Also, did ya’ll ok…so this BS story bout Kelly calling Comey after he was dumped by Cheeto, and talking bout resigning in solidarity?

    So we’re to believe that Kelly felt so bad for the way Trump dumped Comey,, that he decided to accept job as CoS…

    because…

  30. 30.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 31, 2017 at 9:08 pm

    @Kay: Kushner’s and his legal team’s response is in the article.

  31. 31.

    JPL

    July 31, 2017 at 9:11 pm

    @scottinnj: This is internet smut, but I’ll share anyway. Supposedly she was attracted to Corey Lewandowski. I have no idea who Trump has his little paws on.

  32. 32.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 31, 2017 at 9:12 pm

    @lamh36: That story isn’t pro Kelly. That’s a leak to undermine Kelly with the President. He now has a target that has been painted on his back.

  33. 33.

    patrick II

    July 31, 2017 at 9:12 pm

    I am read about this at least a week ago. I don ‘t know why it disappeared. I guess someone finally figured out the legal implications.

  34. 34.

    Immanentize

    July 31, 2017 at 9:14 pm

    @lamh36: best gif ever.

  35. 35.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 31, 2017 at 9:14 pm

    I just took a look at the dates.

    Do y’all realise that the story about Don Jr. setting up the meeting with the Russian lawyer lady broke THREE FUCKING WEEKS ago??

    Truly, truly, if someone had asked me today to put my hand on the sacred scripture of my choice and state for the record when that story broke, I would have sworn it was at least two months ago, or perhaps a bit more.

    Apart from everything else he is doing to us, Trump is fucking with the sense of time as though he were Einstein in a doobie.

  36. 36.

    Cheryl Rofer

    July 31, 2017 at 9:14 pm

    More news. I’ve followed Diplopundit for some time, and he’s a reliable source.

    If this is true, it seems to say that nobody in the State Department can do anything without Tillerson’s permission.

  37. 37.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    July 31, 2017 at 9:14 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Narcissists are fucking control freaks and always assume they’re smarter than everyone around them.

    and in fairness, trump don’t know much, but nobody knows better how dumb Fredo I is. Well, maybe Ivana. And Ivanka.

  38. 38.

    Major Major Major Major

    July 31, 2017 at 9:15 pm

    He really does remind me of how an old client of mine would behave if he were president. What a fuckstick.

  39. 39.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 31, 2017 at 9:15 pm

    @JPL: Here you go:

    "I am done with you!"
    Shortly after, Corey got his ass booted from the campaign. Rekt af.https://t.co/SQmyBWSFGH pic.twitter.com/s64cbeLPUl

    — Comfortably Smug (@ComfortablySmug) August 4, 2016

    "Doubled over with her fists clenched"

    God damn amazing.

    You think Manafort could stop her? She's gonna destroy them all, one by one.

    — Comfortably Smug (@ComfortablySmug) August 4, 2016

  40. 40.

    eemom

    July 31, 2017 at 9:15 pm

    I have a question for you and other military-connected folks: why did people like Kelly and McMaster, who actually seem to possess some modicum of integrity, agree to — and why do they continue to — work for trump?

  41. 41.

    Steve in the ATL

    July 31, 2017 at 9:16 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: FYI I had one of you on the plane and immediately remembered why I quit drinking gin in high school

  42. 42.

    MazeDancer

    July 31, 2017 at 9:16 pm

    Don Jr already testified to Congress behind closed doors. He had to be asked about the first statement. Did he lie for dad?

    Or is somewhere in the orbit of the Committee the source of the leak?

  43. 43.

    Roger Moore

    July 31, 2017 at 9:16 pm

    @Laura:

    Show of hands – who already suspected that Don Senior dictated the lie, but was also present at the meeting?

    [Raises hand]

    I suspect, as others have said, that Trump Sr. was not present in person but was listening and possibly actively involved via telephone. It would be very interesting, though, to see Secret Service logs for that day to see if the Secret Service (and hence Trump Sr.) was at the meeting.

  44. 44.

    TenguPhule

    July 31, 2017 at 9:17 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Apart from everything else he is doing to us, Trump is fucking with the sense of time as though he were Einstein in a doobie.

    You too? I thought it was just me.

  45. 45.

    lamh36

    July 31, 2017 at 9:17 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Oh…I’m sure it’s not…I’m just saying it’s ridiculous on it’s face…makes absolutely no sense…I’m not fan of any Trump pick, but I’d like to think someone like Kelly wouldn’t change on a dime just like that…

    At some point you just gotta wonder who’s doing what and poisoning the well, on these leaks…so to speak

  46. 46.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 31, 2017 at 9:17 pm

    @eemom: I do not know. I was not consulted.

  47. 47.

    Major Major Major Major

    July 31, 2017 at 9:18 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: we have become unstuck in time. Trump sends tweets from the future criticizing his actions in the present. Days feel like weeks and weeks like months. Maybe we should investigate Hillary’s emails.

    (To mostly paraphrase Petri)

  48. 48.

    TenguPhule

    July 31, 2017 at 9:18 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    If this is true, it seems to say that nobody in the State Department can do anything without Tillerson’s permission.

    So we effectively no longer have a State Department.

    Which leaves us with what to deal with North Korea again?

  49. 49.

    Kay

    July 31, 2017 at 9:19 pm

    Jay Sekulow on MTP on July 16, asked about Trump Jr’s statement: “The president did not draft the response”

    These people. I swear it would be easier to tell the truth once in a while. Trump lies constantly. No one would have blinked an eye if he had just said he wrote the statement. It would have been ONE of that day’s lies.

  50. 50.

    p.a.

    July 31, 2017 at 9:19 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: It’s a 4th dimensional cube of corruption coming at us through the random eruptions of an unstable wormhole.

    tRump emits tachyons!

  51. 51.

    Keith P.

    July 31, 2017 at 9:20 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Also explains DJT’s mentioning of talking with Putin himself about adoption

    I actually talked about Russian adoption with him,which is interesting because it was a part of the conversation that Don had in that meeting

  52. 52.

    different-church-lady

    July 31, 2017 at 9:20 pm

    Wow! Mooch has been off the job for 8 hours and already the leaks start up again! /s

  53. 53.

    TenguPhule

    July 31, 2017 at 9:20 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Trump sends tweets from the future criticizing his actions in the present.

    I thought it was tweets sent back in time from the future to warn the past about the present?

  54. 54.

    Cheryl Rofer

    July 31, 2017 at 9:21 pm

    On the Trump story, as I’ve said before, consider the sources. Who comes out looking good, who looks foolish?

    Looks to me like the family is coming apart.

  55. 55.

    Eric

    July 31, 2017 at 9:21 pm

    I wonder what the FORMER chief of staff has to say on background? Hmmmmm. What timing.

  56. 56.

    Major Major Major Major

    July 31, 2017 at 9:21 pm

    @TenguPhule: yes, he overshoots.

  57. 57.

    jl

    July 31, 2017 at 9:21 pm

    ” Somebody can argue the president is saying he doesn’t want you to say the whole truth.”

    I would never argue that based on this story.I would argue that based on the fact that The Drumfpster tells so damn many demonstrable and obvious lies.
    Wow. I feel like Somebody now! And I made it into the WaPo!

  58. 58.

    debbie

    July 31, 2017 at 9:22 pm

    A control freak who likes chaos is a disaster waiting to happen.

  59. 59.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 31, 2017 at 9:22 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: If accurate, and from everything I’ve been reading about the meshugas at State I have no reason to believe it isn’t, this is very, very bad.

  60. 60.

    Keith P.

    July 31, 2017 at 9:22 pm

    I actually talked about Russian adoption with him,’’ [Trump Sr.] said, in the Times interview. “Which is interesting because it was a part of the conversation that Don had in that meeting

  61. 61.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    July 31, 2017 at 9:23 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: He now has a target that has been painted on his back.

    I saw a tweet earlier from that Cernovich person, I’m not sure who he is but I believe he’s one of the loudest of the alt-right, that he’s very disappointed that The Mooch has been pushed out. and I saw a couple of trump campaign vets saying similar things. If those goons see The Mooch as a martyr and Kelly as his tormentor, things could go bad for him quickly. Bannon and the Fredos will make sure trump hears every whisper and rumor and “President Kelly” joke.

  62. 62.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 31, 2017 at 9:23 pm

    @TenguPhule: Twitter.

  63. 63.

    Brachiator

    July 31, 2017 at 9:23 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    .An innocent man doesn’t behave like this.

    Trump has always felt that he was above the law. In the past, he would use lawyers to work out deals. He thinks that the authority of the president makes his immunity official.

    This personally dictating statements and direct involvement is consistent with his past behavior.

    The Republican leadership continues to run interference for Trump. The only question is how far they will go to protect him.

  64. 64.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 31, 2017 at 9:23 pm

    @eemom: I don’t know anything other than what is in the public record about Kelly, so I won’t comment on him. I knew McMaster a bit more than 25 years ago and have followed his career with interest ever since, so I will take stab at guessing what made his do it. I would say a combination of ambition, a belief that he could have a positive effect (mistaken belief, imo, unless he is leaking like fuck) , and a sense of duty as a serving officer.

  65. 65.

    MomSense

    July 31, 2017 at 9:23 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    This is why we are all so exhausted and stressed out. Trumptime passes in double dog years.

    You can’t even go for an evening walk without breaking news happening.

  66. 66.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    July 31, 2017 at 9:24 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Adam, wouldn’t the Secret Service presidential protection detail know right now if Trump were in that meeting? Were they not protecting him at that point?

  67. 67.

    Major Major Major Major

    July 31, 2017 at 9:25 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I could see Mooch being popular with people who think ‘cuck’ is a word.

  68. 68.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 31, 2017 at 9:26 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Cernovich claims to have a source within the White House. It is speculated to be Bannon or one of Bannon’s people on the staff (Gorka or the Breitbart reporter Bannon hired).

  69. 69.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 31, 2017 at 9:26 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    You too? I thought it was just me.

    All my most vivid memories of being stoned out of my gourd are somehow connected to the, uh, flexible nature of time.

  70. 70.

    Gravenstone

    July 31, 2017 at 9:26 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: yeah, Trump is far too thick and addled of mind to pull ‘adoption’ out of thin air as an excuse. Unless he was present when it touched on (likely in the most peripheral of manners).

  71. 71.

    Brachiator

    July 31, 2017 at 9:26 pm

    @debbie:

    A control freak who likes chaos is a disaster waiting to happen.

    At this point, there is almost no difference between the Trump administration and an episode of Game of Thrones.

  72. 72.

    jl

    July 31, 2017 at 9:26 pm

    @Keith P.: I’ve been wondering about how to parse that ‘Russian adoption’ cover story. Is it code for the adoption angle to the Magnitsky Act and sanctions regime (so they were talking the quid pro quo, gut if they say ‘adoption’ no one can possibly ever figure that out?). Or is it a cover story for the real subject of the discussions being how the Trumpsters could get adopted by the Russians?

  73. 73.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    July 31, 2017 at 9:26 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: Looks to me like the family is coming apart.

    and they seemed like such a healthy, loving group of normals

    On the Trump story, as I’ve said before, consider the sources. Who comes out looking good, who looks foolish?

    I’ve been rematching Game of Thrones, and I’m just imagining the look of surprise on Ivanka’s face when Tiffany pushes her through the Moon Door.

  74. 74.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 31, 2017 at 9:27 pm

    @MomSense: I just can’t keep. I was away from the puter for 5 hours and moochie was gone.

  75. 75.

    debbie

    July 31, 2017 at 9:27 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Seriously? Kelly is already doomed?

  76. 76.

    TenguPhule

    July 31, 2017 at 9:27 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Twitter.

    Is there a way to just dump Trump into Facebook and lose him in there?

  77. 77.

    JPL

    July 31, 2017 at 9:28 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: lol That sounds like a story printed in love magazines in the sixties.

  78. 78.

    Major Major Major Major

    July 31, 2017 at 9:28 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: ah, good times.

  79. 79.

    TenguPhule

    July 31, 2017 at 9:28 pm

    @Brachiator:

    The only question is how far they will go to protect him.

    All of em, Katie.

  80. 80.

    Kay

    July 31, 2017 at 9:29 pm

    Air Force One took off from Germany shortly after 6 p.m. — about noon in Washington. In a forward cabin, Trump was busy working on his son’s statement, according to people with knowledge of events. The president dictated the statement to Hicks, who served as a go-between with Trump Jr., who was not on the plane, sharing edits between the two men, according to people with knowledge of the discussions.

    Now they have to call her. She’ll be the one who knew what both Senior and Junior were saying.

  81. 81.

    momus

    July 31, 2017 at 9:29 pm

    Just when you think Trump can’t get any dumber.

  82. 82.

    TenguPhule

    July 31, 2017 at 9:29 pm

    @Brachiator:

    At this point, there is almost no difference between the Trump administration and an episode of Game of Thrones.

    Aside from the regrettable lack of incest. Probably.

  83. 83.

    Cheryl Rofer

    July 31, 2017 at 9:30 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: I am very concerned, have reached out to some friends in the know.

  84. 84.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 31, 2017 at 9:30 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I know. It’s just headspinning (which, of course, is probably the idea).

  85. 85.

    TenguPhule

    July 31, 2017 at 9:30 pm

    FFS WP, you and your insane definitions for moderation.

  86. 86.

    p.a.

    July 31, 2017 at 9:31 pm

    The Night Administration of the Long Butter Knives.

  87. 87.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 31, 2017 at 9:32 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    who looks foolish?

    (Everybody together now) ALL OF THEM, KATIE!!

  88. 88.

    TenguPhule

    July 31, 2017 at 9:32 pm

    Help, reply stuck in moderation.

  89. 89.

    Felonius Monk

    July 31, 2017 at 9:32 pm

    @efgoldman:

    What’s the old saying about fools for clients….

    But in Trump’s case he doesn’t even have to be someone’s client to be the fool.

  90. 90.

    Gravenstone

    July 31, 2017 at 9:32 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: Yet business leaders are typically versed, if not adept at delegation. So what’s the game here?

  91. 91.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 31, 2017 at 9:33 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: FWIW apparently Gorka has a vanity license plate: ART WAR.

  92. 92.

    Major Major Major Major

    July 31, 2017 at 9:33 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: I sincerely doubt they’re this insane and incompetent specifically to make our sense of time all fucked up.

  93. 93.

    lamh36

    July 31, 2017 at 9:33 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I thought i saw a photo earlier today that showed da Mooch in the room for the cabinet meeting w/the new CoS…

    I’m not sure, but when did he resign before or after the cabinet meeting with Kelly?

  94. 94.

    Anne Laurie

    July 31, 2017 at 9:33 pm

    @Gin & Tonic:

    I am very confident he was at the meeting.

    Possibly not in person. Deniability! But it was held in Trump Tower, he was in the building when it was held, and he could certainly have been “dialed in”, even by his semi-competent offspring, to such an important insignificant convo.

    (And that’s leaving aside his history of surreptitious monitoring of other Trump properties… )

  95. 95.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 31, 2017 at 9:33 pm

    @West of the Rockies (been a while): At the time of this meeting he was the only person involved with the Trump campaign with a Secret Service detail. Once he became the nominee his family got the full detail and Trump Tower got an additional on site detail.

  96. 96.

    Roger Moore

    July 31, 2017 at 9:34 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Cernovich claims to have a source within the White House.

    Maybe he does, but if he repeats what they say credulously, he’s a fool and/or a tool.

  97. 97.

    Radiumgirl

    July 31, 2017 at 9:34 pm

    @Laura: I’m waiting for that one to drop.

  98. 98.

    Uncle Ebeneezer

    July 31, 2017 at 9:35 pm

    @Baud: She sat by and did NOTHING!

  99. 99.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 31, 2017 at 9:35 pm

    @Gravenstone: Bloodless coup by Putin.

  100. 100.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch says

    July 31, 2017 at 9:35 pm

    ? I’m singing in the leaks rain, just sing in the leaks rain.
    What a glorious feeling, I’m happy again. ?

  101. 101.

    Radiumgirl

    July 31, 2017 at 9:35 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Bingo.

  102. 102.

    randy khan

    July 31, 2017 at 9:35 pm

    @JPL:

    BTW Gen. Kelly is doing a great job at plugging the leaks.

    The next article will have only 3 unnamed sources, just you wait.

  103. 103.

    TenguPhule

    July 31, 2017 at 9:36 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Bloodless coup by Putin.

    Actually plenty of blood. Just that most of them have been Russians.

  104. 104.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 31, 2017 at 9:36 pm

    Adam L Silverman
    July 31, 2017 at 9:22 pm
    @Cheryl Rofer: If accurate, and from everything I’ve been reading about the meshugas at State I have no reason to believe it isn’t, this is very, very bad.

    Okay, sorry, but this kind of statement from the likes of Adam L Silverman to the likes of Cheryl Rofer, in which the phrase “very, very bad” is used, makes me a bit nervous fucking terrified.

  105. 105.

    Roger Moore

    July 31, 2017 at 9:37 pm

    @Brachiator:

    At this point, there is almost no difference between the Trump administration and an episode of Game of Thrones.

    Except that the characters in Game of Thrones are way better looking.

  106. 106.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 31, 2017 at 9:37 pm

    @jl: It is how the Russian government and officials discuss their opposition to the Magnitsky Act without mentioning it because they consider it illegitimate.

  107. 107.

    TenguPhule

    July 31, 2017 at 9:38 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: If you weren’t already terrified before, you haven’t been paying enough attention.

    Adam managed to scare the piss out of me (and this is me we’re talking about) with that Vanityfair article about the Dept of Energy.

  108. 108.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 31, 2017 at 9:38 pm

    @debbie: I don’t know if he’s doomed, but he has people gunning for him already.

  109. 109.

    Felonius Monk

    July 31, 2017 at 9:39 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    If this is true, it seems to say that nobody in the State Department can do anything without Tillerson’s permission.

    Maybe we’ve been looking at the wrong guy as “Putin’s Puppet”.

  110. 110.

    Roger Moore

    July 31, 2017 at 9:39 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    Aside from the regrettable lack of incest.

    You have seen the pictures of Donald Sr. and Ivanka, haven’t you? There’s more than fatherly love there.

  111. 111.

    Mnemosyne

    July 31, 2017 at 9:39 pm

    @debbie:

    Spoiler alert: they’re all doomed. It’s going to be like the ending of Hamlet.

  112. 112.

    Immanentize

    July 31, 2017 at 9:39 pm

    When people talk about how clever some strategy of Trump is, or how this is a distraction for that, I always try to remind people that it is entirely amateur hour in the White House. More proof:

    I was talking with a fellow who is rather high up in the FBI. Served under Comey, Mueller, and Freeh. Besides other info., He said that when Wray was tweet-appointed, no one at the White House bothered to actually appoint him by, inter Ali, sending a letter to the Bureau indicating he was appointed. Wray kept calling folks at the FBI to get information and to get “read in” but they had to keep saying, sorry, no letter. For at least two effin’ weeks!

    Your Trump taxes at work.

  113. 113.

    TenguPhule

    July 31, 2017 at 9:39 pm

    And all of this on the same day Trump tweeted that there was no chaos in the White House.

  114. 114.

    raven

    July 31, 2017 at 9:40 pm

    And in more news the Cubbies are giving Steve Bartram a World Series Ring!

  115. 115.

    Cheryl Rofer

    July 31, 2017 at 9:41 pm

    @Gravenstone: If you look at Rex Tillerson as a business executive who has not made the transition to cabinet secretary, some of his actions, like saying he doesn’t want to interact with the press, make a certain sort of sense. But I cannot understand what he thinks he is doing. Further, he is cut out of much of the administration’s foreign policy by Javanka, and maybe even Bannon, along with assorted other gnomes like Cohen-Watnick. He has been consolidating power in his office, with a few secretive aides. Today there was a news story that sounded like he was making the Office of Policy Planning his personal support staff, all to be hired, of course.

    Rescinding authorities, though, gives him ALL the power. Now he is the only person who can approve parking permits and visas, along with many other things. I hope that ambassadors and others will raise hell.

    But why? Damfino

  116. 116.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    July 31, 2017 at 9:41 pm

    Hey Adam, what do you think about Kelly becoming COS? And what do you think of his record at DHS?

  117. 117.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 31, 2017 at 9:41 pm

    @TenguPhule: It isn’t in moderation, trash, or spam. I don’t know where it went, but it didn’t go to any of those places. Have you checked another blog?

  118. 118.

    Roger Moore

    July 31, 2017 at 9:41 pm

    @Felonius Monk:

    Maybe we’ve been looking at the wrong guy as “Putin’s Puppet”.

    It’s like Scream; you’ll miss the plot if you think it’s only one.

  119. 119.

    Eric U.

    July 31, 2017 at 9:42 pm

    I never quite agreed with it, but people have been prosecuted for obstruction of justice for lying to the press. Of course,that’s almost always democrats.

    if someone really wanted to stab Kelly in the back, a batch of articles about how he’s going to stop Trump from being such an idiot would be an excellent approach. I am hoping they are forthcoming from the useful tools at the usual media outlets.

  120. 120.

    Kay

    July 31, 2017 at 9:42 pm

    So now that we all know “the leaker” is Jared, what happens next?

    He gets escorted out? Does Ivanka go?

  121. 121.

    randy khan

    July 31, 2017 at 9:42 pm

    @Brachiator:

    At this point, there is almost no difference between the Trump administration and an episode of Game of Thrones.

    GoT is better written and more plausible.

  122. 122.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 31, 2017 at 9:43 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: As a former soldier/officer what do you think of all the fluffing in the media, that T’s generals are getting?

    ETA: The tongue baths that Kelly is getting are nauseating, much honor, such marine, wow!
    As if only military men serve with honor, civilians are chopped liver. I find the fawning quite sickening.

  123. 123.

    Cheryl Rofer

    July 31, 2017 at 9:43 pm

    Ah, okay, maybe less than it seemed.

    Dear people freaking out over report that Tillerson has rescinded ALL delegations of authority @StateDept: pic.twitter.com/5j7ZuPkTki

    — Nahal Toosi (@nahaltoosi) August 1, 2017

  124. 124.

    Iowa Old Lady

    July 31, 2017 at 9:44 pm

    He doesn’t believe he’s in legal jeopardy? How is that possible?

  125. 125.

    Roger Moore

    July 31, 2017 at 9:44 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    It’s going to be like the ending of Hamlet.

    Who gets to play Horatio? Does Pence really think he’s Fortinbras?

  126. 126.

    Anne Laurie

    July 31, 2017 at 9:45 pm

    @scottinnj:

    Can we just call her his mistress already?

    Why pick on a mere handmaiden?

    Be fair, Trump’s at an age & condition when most men are less interested in coitus than they are in having someone cute & adoring hanging around to admire them — preferably in public. Hicks, who came into the campaign because she was working in Ivanka’s fashion ‘business’, is there to act as Ivanka’s stand-in when the Princess-Apparent is busy seat-warming, quote-lifting, and standing a helpful step behind Prince Jared.

    To be honest, before all this news broke, I was working on a post… there were a bunch of stories over the weekend which suggested, to me, that Ivanka is preparing to throw Jared and even (if absolutely necessary) Daddy under the bus, worse comes to worst. She is, after all, but a simple wife and daughter from the sheltered hamlet of Park Avenue, too busy with her adorable young children and Etsy-level design studio to understand what the menfolk might’ve been getting up to, down at the VFW hall!…

  127. 127.

    Gravenstone

    July 31, 2017 at 9:45 pm

    @TenguPhule: To be fair, the chaos won’t be limited to the White House…

  128. 128.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    July 31, 2017 at 9:45 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Intriguing… perhaps 3 Sticks has already made inquiries.

  129. 129.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 31, 2017 at 9:45 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: As someone who has taught the Sun Tzu lessons at USAWC, and discussed the content of them with Saotome Sensei to produce supplementary reading material for the students, I can honestly say based on a review of Gorka’s work and my one run in with him that he couldn’t explain Sun Tzu, or any other part of the Bin Fa literature, if his life depended on it.

  130. 130.

    efgoldman

    July 31, 2017 at 9:46 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    So we effectively no longer have a State Department.

    We haven’t for months. They’ve left ~2000 positions unfilled; empty desks, empty offices, empty heads.
    Rextill couldn’t have micro-managed Exxon that much and been successful, could he? Could anyone?

  131. 131.

    different-church-lady

    July 31, 2017 at 9:46 pm

    @eemom:

    …why did people like Kelly and McMaster, who actually seem to possess some modicum of integrity…

    Seem to possess; actually possess — two different things.

  132. 132.

    lollipopguild

    July 31, 2017 at 9:46 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: He lives/exists in his own little world where he is always right.

  133. 133.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 31, 2017 at 9:46 pm

    @Roger Moore: My limited understanding of him and his oeuvre indicates both.

  134. 134.

    Kay

    July 31, 2017 at 9:47 pm

    @Eric U.:

    Ken Starr wrote that Clinton “misleading” staffers was obstruction and witness tampering. It’s close but I’m not sure it applies since Trump colludes with his staff to mislead media and the public. Clinton at least protected his people.

    I can’t believe he had that Hicks person carrying messages between Junior and Senior- “edits”. Trump can’t talk to his son directly? He has to get some underling involved in this bullshit story they’re cooking up?

  135. 135.

    magurakurin

    July 31, 2017 at 9:47 pm

    @JPL:

    I have no idea who Trump has his little paws on.

    Ivanka in his mind’s eye (remembering the good ole days when she was 13) while Conway services him. I always thought that was kind of obvious.

  136. 136.

    TenguPhule

    July 31, 2017 at 9:47 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: It came back at 82.

  137. 137.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 31, 2017 at 9:48 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Read these:
    http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/07/31/how-the-trump-administration-broke-the-state-department/

    http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/07/31/the-week-donald-trump-lost-the-south-china-sea/

  138. 138.

    different-church-lady

    July 31, 2017 at 9:49 pm

    @Brachiator: Flying dragons. Other than that…

  139. 139.

    TenguPhule

    July 31, 2017 at 9:49 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: Is it too late to request Asylum in Canada?

  140. 140.

    raven

    July 31, 2017 at 9:49 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Reminds me of Carl Spackler:

    So, I’m on the first tee with him. I give him the driver. He hauls off and whacks one – big hitter, the Lama – long, into a ten-thousand foot crevasse, right at the base of this glacier. Do you know what the Lama says? Gunga galunga… gunga, gunga-lagunga. So we finish the eighteenth and he’s gonna stiff me. And I say, “Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know.” And he says, “Oh, uh, there won’t be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness.” So I got that goin’ for me, which is nice.

  141. 141.

    Mnemosyne

    July 31, 2017 at 9:49 pm

    @Felonius Monk:

    Tillerson is the guy who was receiving medals from Putin.

    It’s Russian connections all the way down, and the MSM and Republicans didn’t give a shit.

  142. 142.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    July 31, 2017 at 9:49 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    Who’s Guildenstern and Rosencrantz?

  143. 143.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 31, 2017 at 9:50 pm

    @Felonius Monk: Penetration at all levels.

  144. 144.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 31, 2017 at 9:50 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: I am tempted to suggest that you dig though the archives as you offered to do the other day, but I won’t. It is what the MSM does. It fluffs the military and works to find that moment when the Trump admin pivots.

  145. 145.

    NotMax

    July 31, 2017 at 9:51 pm

    @jl

    It’s an all but too obvious red herring so that when asked about the meeting he can say “we talked about adoptions.”

    Like John Gotti saying he discussed the menu at Sparks Steakhouse.

  146. 146.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 31, 2017 at 9:51 pm

    @raven: Saw that. But did they get one for the goat?

  147. 147.

    Immanentize

    July 31, 2017 at 9:51 pm

    @Mnemosyne: not Hamlet. Titus Andronicus.

  148. 148.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    July 31, 2017 at 9:51 pm

    I saw a retweet of Kellyanne Conway today, (pretending to be) angry that that this whole Russia/Collusion story has fallen apart! Where are the apologies! I wonder if that tweet was also dictated by the Rough Beast.

  149. 149.

    Gravenstone

    July 31, 2017 at 9:51 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Yet he probably believes that one or two Sun Tzu’s most famous quotes *definitely* define his (Gorka’s) existence.

  150. 150.

    Cheryl Rofer

    July 31, 2017 at 9:52 pm

    @TenguPhule: Too soon, actually, unless your real name is Jared Kushner.

  151. 151.

    different-church-lady

    July 31, 2017 at 9:53 pm

    @TenguPhule: There’s no incest in Game of Thrones?

  152. 152.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 31, 2017 at 9:53 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:Doesn’t his actual military experience consist of two years as a TA MI type while he was at university?

  153. 153.

    raven

    July 31, 2017 at 9:53 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Cheeseburger, Cheeseburger, Cheeseburger. . .

  154. 154.

    different-church-lady

    July 31, 2017 at 9:53 pm

    Shake me loose between 150 and 151 please and thank you.

  155. 155.

    Mnemosyne

    July 31, 2017 at 9:54 pm

    @Kay:

    I can’t believe he had that Hicks person carrying messages between Junior and Senior- “edits”. Trump can’t talk to his son directly? He has to get some underling involved in this bullshit story they’re cooking up?

    Hicks was typing up dictation like a good little secretary. You didn’t think that any of the Trumps learned how to type, do you? That’s for underlings.

  156. 156.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    July 31, 2017 at 9:55 pm

    saw this earlier today

    Christopher Hayes‏Verified account @ chrislhayes 5h5 hours ago
    I occassionally think about the fact we’ve only ever seen a single Trump campaign email and it was almost comically incriminating.

    ETA: @Mnemosyne: My thinking as well: “Hope, take a memo: Happy Birthday, Eric, Love, President Donald J Trump, et cetera et cetera”. Sign a picture, too. Have Reince run out to CVS for a card”.

  157. 157.

    Cheryl Rofer

    July 31, 2017 at 9:56 pm

    NEW: White House officials tricked by email prankster, including the homeland security advisor. @jaketapper reports https://t.co/F4LqKpxEsl

    — Yashar Ali (@yashar) August 1, 2017

  158. 158.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    July 31, 2017 at 9:57 pm

    @TenguPhule:
    No joke, after the election I was looking up emigrating to Canada. It’s a pretty stringent process and they really want someone with advanced skills. Lucky me I’m in nursing school. But then you have to spend several years as a resident before being able to apply for citizenship.

  159. 159.

    different-church-lady

    July 31, 2017 at 9:58 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: Yeah, if there’s no legal jeopardy then what’s with the lawyers?

  160. 160.

    NotMax

    July 31, 2017 at 9:58 pm

    @Immanentize

    Detritus AnDONicus?

  161. 161.

    GregB

    July 31, 2017 at 9:59 pm

    McFaul said the Putin expulsions are the largest bulk expulsions in US history.

    Putin’s cuck Donald is very silent.

    Weak. Sad.

  162. 162.

    jl

    July 31, 2017 at 9:59 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Yes, that is true. I was snarking on how many ways that phrase is a ridiculously incompetent cover story. But, I guess it is the only one that they have. When I read about Donnie Jr. and Kushner saying that all that talk about those loser Russian orphans seemed so out-of-the-blue and puzzlingly irrelevant to them, I busted out laughing.

    @NotMax: Gotti had a better cover. But then he was a pro at the business Trump thinks he is in.

  163. 163.

    Kay

    July 31, 2017 at 9:59 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I’m starting to doubt these people could shut up long enough to “collude”.

  164. 164.

    rikyrah

    July 31, 2017 at 9:59 pm

    Dolt45 misleading people?

    NO!!!

    REALLY?

    Uh huh
    UH HUH

  165. 165.

    Immanentize

    July 31, 2017 at 10:00 pm

    @NotMax: Everyone stabs everyone.

  166. 166.

    Steve in the ATL

    July 31, 2017 at 10:00 pm

    @raven: that’s awesome!

  167. 167.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    July 31, 2017 at 10:01 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: found it, from yesterday

    Kellyanne Conway‏Verified account @ KellyannePolls Jul 30
    They built TV sets and fancy graphics screaming “Russian collusion” incessantly. Were salivating; now slinking away. Any regrets/apologies?

    “slinking away”… I wonder when they got word that a story like this was coming

  168. 168.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 31, 2017 at 10:02 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I remember your comments that you were personally not comfortable with the fawning, but what about the media and its reverent attitude towards T’s generals, even after Flynn’s resignation, it continues.

    ETA: In case I am not clear, I just wanted a perspective of someone who has been on the other side.

  169. 169.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 31, 2017 at 10:02 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: Despite culling Scaramucci, who was low hanging fruit, and the reporting indicating he’s been empowered to make all the White House staff, including the senior advisors (Bannon, Miller, Conway, Jared, Ivanka, McMaster – though this one is a wee bit funky as the AP-NSA reports both directly to the President and through the COS, Schiller, Hicks, Scavino, etc) report through him, I’ll believe it when I see it. Specifically I don’t see how he’s going to stop Jared, Ivanka, Bannon, Schiller, Hicks, and/or Scavino from end running him. I’ll be surprised if he’s still there in six months.

    As to DHS. There are two different questions here. The first is was he a good administrator. My understanding is he was. The second is more subjective in regard to clicking his heels and moving out sharply to the President’s orders that fall under DHS’s purview. The travel ban, rounding up undocumented immigrants/immigrants that have overstayed their period of residency. Things like that. My understanding is that his work as the SOUTHCOM Commander, working with regional allies and partners on drugs and human trafficking, had a profound impact on his understanding of these problem sets and how to resolve them. What I don’t know is whether he simply functioned as a good Marine and carried out his boss’s orders. He had, in interviews during the election, indicated that general officers/flag officers should be apolitical and indicated he would be willing to serve in a civilian capacity regardless of whether Secretary Clinton won or the President won the election.

    What concerned me the most was his remarks about Congress and what Congress should and shouldn’t do. I know that the Marine Corps professional military education (PME) programs do a much better job of teaching both CIV-MIL relations and separation of powers and each branches role in making policy for his responses to be acceptable. My actual concern, however, is who will be his replacement.

  170. 170.

    Immanentize

    July 31, 2017 at 10:02 pm

    @GregB: we do not have over 1000 Americans working for State in Russia. More like 300. Everyone else is Russian (mostly) or other. It is a classic bluff — Russians: You must remove 750 workers. Us: OK (send 50 home). Everyone is big dick person!

  171. 171.

    different-church-lady

    July 31, 2017 at 10:03 pm

    @TenguPhule: For us or for Trump?

  172. 172.

    Miss Bianca

    July 31, 2017 at 10:04 pm

    @Roger Moore: we won’t need em – it’s gonna be all Rosencrantz and Guildenstern, all the way down…

  173. 173.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 31, 2017 at 10:05 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: What about his attitude towards the press and the Congress, or anyone with the temerity to question him, seems profoundly undemocratic.
    He also refuses to use discretion when it comes to deporting people. It was his idea to separate minors from their parents at the border.
    What about the deaths in ICE custody. Is that being a “good administrator”. Or the dead don’t matter because they are not citizens.

  174. 174.

    NotMax

    July 31, 2017 at 10:05 pm

    @Immanentize

    [Exit, pursued by a shirtless man riding a bear.]

  175. 175.

    Steeplejack

    July 31, 2017 at 10:05 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    Incest is a forbidden FYWP word, I believe.

  176. 176.

    germy

    July 31, 2017 at 10:06 pm

    Is the NY Times the official place dolt45 has chosen to “issue statements” to?

  177. 177.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 31, 2017 at 10:06 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: Okay that’s much more reasonable.

  178. 178.

    Kay

    July 31, 2017 at 10:06 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    They could have the decency to cut her out of the crime-committing. She now knows more than either of them about the specifics- she heard both men. Presumably Trump Jr. wasn’t lying to his father so she’ll be the specific source for when it went from “this happened” to “say this happened”.

    I’m thrilled with the chance that Kushner is throwing Trump under the bus. That would be too great. I’ve noticed that Kushner and Ivanka always come out looking good in these leaks. Mmmm. I wonder who the leakers are?

  179. 179.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 31, 2017 at 10:08 pm

    @West of the Rockies (been a while): I expect he has.

  180. 180.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 31, 2017 at 10:09 pm

    @TenguPhule: You can’t explain these things. Therefore it was clearly the work of the New World Order. And the Illuminati. And the Bilderbergers. And the Trilateral Committee.

  181. 181.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    July 31, 2017 at 10:11 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:
    So you don’t think he has political ambitions that include trying to manipulate Trump into doing what he wants?

  182. 182.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 31, 2017 at 10:11 pm

    @raven: I’ve met the Dalai Lama. I sincerely doubt he’d stiff his caddy. Doesn’t seem to that type of spiritual leader in exile.

  183. 183.

    Kay

    July 31, 2017 at 10:11 pm

    @germy:

    The NYTimes relationship with Trump is as weird as their weird hatred of the Clintons. Their political reporters seem to have some bizarre affection for him, like the opposite of their bizarre negative obsession with the Clintons.

  184. 184.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 31, 2017 at 10:11 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: Wait and watch.

  185. 185.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 31, 2017 at 10:12 pm

    @Gravenstone: I’m sure he does. That guy got whiny and folded like a cheap suit on email. I can’t imagine what would happen if someone looked at him the wrong way in person.

  186. 186.

    different-church-lady

    July 31, 2017 at 10:13 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Carl Spackler is what we would refer to as an “unreliable narrator.”

  187. 187.

    NotMax

    July 31, 2017 at 10:13 pm

    @Adam L. Silverman

    Internet choke point at Bohemian Grove.

  188. 188.

    different-church-lady

    July 31, 2017 at 10:14 pm

    @NotMax: It’s not a big truck!

  189. 189.

    rikyrah

    July 31, 2017 at 10:14 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    Phucking Turtle and the ZEGK better wake the phuck up and present a clean debt ceiling bill.

  190. 190.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    July 31, 2017 at 10:14 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:
    What would be scary is if Pence were to somehow get taken down and Trump named him for VP and then Trump were removed. Say hello to President Kelly, a man who has the same lack or respect for the press and powers of Congress like Trump but with far more competence.

  191. 191.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 31, 2017 at 10:14 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: Soldiers are people. Some are awesome. Some are shitty. Most are somewhere in between. Any depiction of them, at any level, that doesn’t acknowledge this is inherently unbelievable. Generally, someone becomes a flag officer by being good at one’s job and not being inconveniently right when everyone else above one is wrong – that little error caused McMaster to be passed over for brigadier general three times. One percent of 2LTs get a star. They are not necessarily the bravest or smartest.* They are the ones who can negotiate the byzantine power structures well and also have a bit of luck – a war at the right time, etc. Does that answer your question?

    *Part of my hopes for McM were that he really was one of the bravest and the smartest.

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    different-church-lady

    July 31, 2017 at 10:15 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: “The Year of Four Popes Presidents.”

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    Burnspbesq

    July 31, 2017 at 10:16 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I saw a retweet of Kellyanne Conway today, (pretending to be) angry that that this whole Russia/Collusion story has fallen apart! Where are the apologies! I wonder if that tweet was also dictated by the Rough Beast.

    When a story like that goes quiet, it’s usually because there is a new group of players who take their responsibilities under Rule 6(e) of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure (relating to grand jury secrecy) seriously.

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    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    July 31, 2017 at 10:17 pm

    Just because: Comey, Comey, Comey, Comey, Comey chameleon….

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    germy

    July 31, 2017 at 10:17 pm

    @Kay:

    Guardian UK: Forget Breitbart: the White House has a new favorite rightwing media outlet – Circa, a video-heavy site aimed at viewers in their teens and 20s, has attracted attention from other outlets for a series of scoops on the Russian investigation

    On Thursday night, the MSNBC anchor Rachel Maddow examined the way the story played into the administration’s “counter-narrative”. Calling Circa a “pro-Trump conservative media outlet”, she said Sinclair was “emerging as kind of a successor to Breitbart News”.

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    Kay

    July 31, 2017 at 10:17 pm

    Bradley P. Moss, Esq‏Verified account @BradMossEsq 2h2 hours ago
    More
    Has Hope Hicks lawyered up yet?

    She was smart up to now. You never heard about her. Oh, well. So much for that. Thanks, Mr. Trump. Now she gets an expensive lawyer too. They should all just walk around with counsel. Stop talking entirely.

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    Wapiti

    July 31, 2017 at 10:19 pm

    @eemom:

    why did people like Kelly and McMaster, who actually seem to possess some modicum of integrity, agree to — and why do they continue to — work for trump?

    I don’t know their specific reasons. I’d just say that they both have ~30+ years of service, and have almost undoubtedly had some assholes and some fools for bosses. So part of it might be trained resignation to that sort of thing.

    Assuming that they do have integrity – then taking the job, say of Natl Security Advisor, comes with the expectation that in the next 4 years there will almost certainly be a crisis. A Katrina, a 9-11, maybe China grabbing a spy plane. The President will have to make decisions, quickly. Even if the President is an ass or a fool, he or she deserves to have a ready staff to give them the ability, to maybe make decisions that spare the most American lives, or whatever we value. Maybe, at that time, Trump considers how history might view him and makes a good decision. So I mostly give McMaster a pass, though I’d agree with Adam that he might have a stronger hand if he were already retired.

    Kelly… I don’t know why he didn’t resign over the Muslim bans.

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    Adam L Silverman

    July 31, 2017 at 10:19 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Correct. And he’s consistently misrepresented it. He was in the Territorial Army’s 20th Company (20 Coy) while doing his bachelors degree in divinity/theology. He has gotten the name of the unit wrong. He’s claimed to have done work on the Troubles with the SAS. He’s claimed to have done work on Balkan war crimes. His total service time amounted to 90 days over 2 or 3 years. A lot of his claims have been debunked by British Army veterans.
    https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/uk-defence-ministry-casts-doubt-on-trump-aides-military?utm_term=.whYedXLXz#.scz9qmrmb

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    Adam L Silverman

    July 31, 2017 at 10:19 pm

    @raven: PEPSI!!!!

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    rikyrah

    July 31, 2017 at 10:19 pm

    @Kay:

    ’m thrilled with the chance that Kushner is throwing Trump under the bus. That would be too great. I’ve noticed that Kushner and Ivanka always come out looking good in these leaks. Mmmm. I wonder who the leakers are?

    BWA HA HA HA HA H AH HA HA HA

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    Emma

    July 31, 2017 at 10:20 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Thank you for the nightmares, Adam. Jesus. The South China Sea… *whimpers*

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    JPL

    July 31, 2017 at 10:21 pm

    @germy: Trump has this love/hate relationship with Maggie.

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    Omnes Omnibus

    July 31, 2017 at 10:21 pm

    @Kay: I would walk away from them if I were counsel. “If you can’t shut the fuck up, I can’t help you. I will return the remainder of your retainer.”

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    lamh36

    July 31, 2017 at 10:24 pm

    Ah…Ugh…

    @ericgeller 22m22 minutes ago
    Wow. Email prankster tricked Homeland Sec Adviser Tom Bossert into thinking he was Kushner, got his private email http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/31/politics/white-house-officials-tricked-by-email-prankster/index.html … pic.twitter.com/jJw67m0G2h

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    westyny

    July 31, 2017 at 10:24 pm

    @Felonius Monk: All of them, Katie . . .

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    Adam L Silverman

    July 31, 2017 at 10:24 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: I believe I addressed that with this:

    What concerned me the most was his remarks about Congress and what Congress should and shouldn’t do. I know that the Marine Corps professional military education (PME) programs do a much better job of teaching both CIV-MIL relations and separation of powers and each branches role in making policy for his responses to be acceptable. My actual concern, however, is who will be his replacement.

    As for deaths in ICE custody versus being an administrator. As Secretary of DHS he is responsible for what happens in his department. Ultimately the buck should stop with him. That said I don’t know the details of the deaths, although I saw one today that was clearly the fault of the local jail where ICE had a detainee housed. Given just how sprawling DHS is – a department of 18 other departments – it would not surprise me that specific details of this stuff don’t get to him. That doesn’t excuse him for them happening, but there’s a difference between making sure everything runs smoothly and deaths in ICE custody. Especially given that the acting ICE director was clearly hired by the President because he looked like Michael Chiklis’s character in The Shield.

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    Omnes Omnibus

    July 31, 2017 at 10:25 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: So he parlayed the 22 into a suggestion that he was connected with the SAS? I have never seen a reference to what rank he held. do you know?

    ETA: I caught the 20 vs 22. My bad.

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    schrodingers_cat

    July 31, 2017 at 10:26 pm

    @Wapiti: Because he agrees with Miller and Bannon’s fevered dreams.

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    Brachiator

    July 31, 2017 at 10:26 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    .A lot of his claims have been debunked by British Army veterans.

    Not really surprising that people with fake credentials would try to get into this administration, especially since they seem so indifferent to good background checks and proper vetting.

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    Kay

    July 31, 2017 at 10:26 pm

    @germy:

    I don’t know though- I live and work with what feels like 90% Republicans and they’re really not happy campers. I was teasing them the other day that I have showed enormous restraint not giving them shit on Trump but it’s true- I stopped. It’s no fun when they’re miserable and serious and they are miserable. Whatever Sinclair is doing it doesn’t seem to be working with The Base. I think it’s tough for genuine conservatives- people who are temperamentally conservative. They truly don’t approve of all this excess and drama. Obama actually has much more in common with them as a person.

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    Adam L Silverman

    July 31, 2017 at 10:26 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: I don’t know him. The people I do that do know him and the reporting indicate no.

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    Omnes Omnibus

    July 31, 2017 at 10:27 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: To me, this marks him as a monster.

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    Adam L Silverman

    July 31, 2017 at 10:27 pm

    @NotMax: They had to put that damn traffic circle in.

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    schrodingers_cat

    July 31, 2017 at 10:28 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: There have been a record number of deaths including some suicides. More than 10 IIRC in 6 months. Most immigration violations are not felonies, death seems like a harsh punishment for that, doesn’t it?

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    July 31, 2017 at 10:29 pm

    on Kelly, here’s a not-terribly reassuring thread from a former Senate staffer who saw Kelly at work

    mieke eoyang‏Verified account @ MiekeEoyang 13h13 hours ago
    I’ve known Secretary Kelly nearly half my adult life & while I’ve never worked w/him directly, I’ve enough experience to have insights… 1/

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    germy

    July 31, 2017 at 10:29 pm

    @Brachiator:

    Not really surprising that people with fake credentials…

    You’d think people with fake credentials would try to be a bit more low key.
    Instead of indulging in cosplay for the inauguration.

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    rikyrah

    July 31, 2017 at 10:33 pm

    John Schindler‏Verified account @20committee

    My latest:

    Putin Declares War on Trump

    Why the White House should be very, very afraid of the Kremlin’s wrath.

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    Adam L Silverman

    July 31, 2017 at 10:34 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I don’t believe he got above corporal in the Territorial Army.

    His claim was he trained the SAS for counterterrorism ops in Northern Ireland. This is just farcical on its face. His unit was involved doing cryptolinguist work at the time, not anything to do with counterterrorism. His would have been Hungarian translation. He also claimed because of his Hungarian fluency he did translation work pertaining to war crimes in the Balkans. This makes no sense as 1) Serbian and Croatian aren’t Hungarian and 2) This occurred several years after he left the TA.

    The Marshall Center has distanced itself from his claims he was a faculty member there. Marine Corps U has distanced itself from him. I have no idea what Joint Special Ops University (JSOU) at SOCOM has done as I left there in AUG 2015 (I was briefly a Senior Special Operations Fellow). But knowing JSOU they’ve maintained their relationship with him.

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    dmsilev

    July 31, 2017 at 10:34 pm

    Jeez, I go offline for just a couple of hours, and this happens. Wonder what’s in store for tomorrow.

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    Brachiator

    July 31, 2017 at 10:34 pm

    @germy: Interesting that Circa is popping up now. I recall your recent post about biased news coverage coming from a Sinclair tv station news program. I didn’t realize the degree to which Circa is targeting younger people. It’s insidious how these organizations are claiming to do accurate reporting while dealing in propaganda. At least Fox News has an established reputation as right wing garbage.

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    rikyrah

    July 31, 2017 at 10:36 pm

    Eugene Robinson‏Verified account @Eugene_Robinson

    Why, other than nepotism, does Ivanka Trump have an office in the White House?

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    Adam L Silverman

    July 31, 2017 at 10:37 pm

    @Brachiator: As I’ve stated a couple of times: I’m the actual national security professional he claims to be.

    Though I’ve never served in the British Territorial Army nor claimed to have done so. Nor did a bogus doctorate (not that my dissertation is perfect). Nor claimed a relationship with the Marshall Center I didn’t really have. Nor scammed my way into an endowed chair at Marine Corps University because my wife’s cousin endowed the chair and I failed to disclose this to Marine Corps University. I have never been fired by the FBI/DOJ for doing work on terrorism.

    But other than that…

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    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    July 31, 2017 at 10:37 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    http://www.salon.com/2017/06/12/john-kelly-the-grownup-forget-it-homeland-security-chief-turns-out-to-be-another-trump-zealot/

    Over the weekend, Politico reported that Democrats are becoming alarmed that the director of the Department of Homeland Security, retired Gen. John Kelly, isn’t the calming influence on Trump that they had hoped. For some reason they believed Kelly would rein in Trump’s draconian policies on immigration and security. They were wrong, according to Politico:

    Instead, Kelly has moved to impose those policies with military rigor. He has pursued an aggressive deportation campaign; defended Trump’s effort to ban visitors from several Muslim-majority countries; and hinted that he might separate migrant parents from their children at the U.S.-Mexico border. Kelly has joked with Trump about using violence against reporters and defended Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, amid allegations that he tried to set up a secret back channel to the Russian government.

    Today, it’s tough to find anyone on the left willing to defend Kelly. He has alienated potential allies on Capitol Hill, including Democrats who voted to confirm him, and is endangering his reputation as a nonpartisan figure in a presidential administration that has relatively few.

    Sen. Robert Menendez of New Jersey said, “I think Secretary Kelly has drank the Kool-Aid. He’s not the person who I thought I was voting for.”

    Kelly was confirmed easily, in an 88 to 11 Senate vote, because Democrats were soothed by his promise that he wouldn’t target Dreamer kids for deportation. Apparently that was the only thing they bothered to ask because if they had looked a little bit more closely at this former Marine Corps general they would have seen that he was Trump’s guy all the way….

    Kelly’s explanation for the deportation of women and children applying for refugee status is just heartless. When he headed the Southern Command, Kelly spoke at great length about collapsing societies in Central America. (This is often affected by murderous gang violence cultivated in American prisons — something Kelly never acknowledges.) But he sees this problem only as a threat and shows no sympathy for the innocent people caught in the crossfire. As the homeland security director, he defended the deportation of a Honduran woman without a criminal record along with her child to return to certain violence in her home country; he said asylum seekers “parrot well-worn phrases to get a shot at staying in the United States.”

    Kelly is a genuine Trump guy like Sessions, not one of those so-called patriots who took the job for the good of the country to try to temper Trump’s worst instincts. He is efficiently and enthusiastically carrying out the president’s extremist agenda. These “disappointed” Democrats should have looked more closely at the general’s record before they gave him a bipartisan mandate.

    Also, his opinion on marijuana legalization:

    Kelly’s stance on drugs is equally rabid. His view on marijuana legalization is that the U.S. won’t be able to ask other countries to cut back on their export of drugs to our country if we are making a substance legal. That’s an odd point of view to say the least, particularly since he says he has said doesn’t care if Americans smuggle pot into other countries. Marijuana legalization should lead to less smuggling, which would seem to be a good thing. Kelly also says he has “no doubt” that marijuana is a gateway to harder drugs but notes that he’s not a doctor so he doesn’t know if medical marijuana might be useful. He proves that he’s out of touch, however, by saying “every medicine is probably illegal unless you take it medicinally,” which is is somewhere between obviously not true and totally meaningless.

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    efgoldman

    July 31, 2017 at 10:37 pm

    @Miss Bianca:

    it’s gonna be all Rosencrantz and Guildenstern, all the way down…

    If Tom Stoppard wrote this, it would be too absurd even for him.

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    lamh36

    July 31, 2017 at 10:38 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: ugh…the country is being “lead” by bunch of idiots…smh

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    Omnes Omnibus

    July 31, 2017 at 10:39 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Anyone who has any familiarity with eastern Europe and/or the Balkans would lol at the first point. The second is just a dumb lie.

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    Brachiator

    July 31, 2017 at 10:39 pm

    @germy:

    You’d think people with fake credentials would try to be a bit more low key.

    To the contrary, a lot of these people feel emboldened. Also, if you know or think that other knaves are working in an organization, you feel less worried that honest people will rat you out.

    Rotting meat attracts flies.

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    debbie

    July 31, 2017 at 10:40 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Fawning upon generals, both from the media and the populace, goes back as far as George Washington.

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    Davebo

    July 31, 2017 at 10:40 pm

    @JPL:

    Give him a break, it’s his first day. Or maybe days before.

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    SiubhanDuinne

    July 31, 2017 at 10:40 pm

    Jeebus FSM Gods, it never lets up with this gang, does it?

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    germy

    July 31, 2017 at 10:41 pm

    @Brachiator: One thing I noticed when I saw the first (of many) circa reports on my local sinclair station was how young the correspondents were. They looked like they were barely out of college.

    Their goal really is to capture the young generation because they know the fox news watching viewers are aging out.

  232. 232.

    Another Scott

    July 31, 2017 at 10:42 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: Donnie thinks he was elected Tyrant. He thinks the rules and the laws and the norms don’t apply to him. He thinks he can do what he wants and the rest of us just have to lump it.

    He’s in for a rude awakening…

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    efgoldman

    July 31, 2017 at 10:43 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    They are the ones who can negotiate the byzantine power structures well and also have a bit of luck

    Not for nothing, Eisenhower was considered an excellent, skillful politician while he was still a commander, long before he ran for president.

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    Adam L Silverman

    July 31, 2017 at 10:43 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: I’m not arguing about the deaths with you. One is too many. I just didn’t know all the details. If they’re because ICE agents killed the detainees you have one problem. If, like the case I read about earlier today where the detainee died because ICE had left him at a local jail they had a custodial agreement with and the local jail screwed up his medical care (withheld medication), then you have a different problem. Neither of these types of problems are good things. Nor do they reflect well on him.

    That said, it feels like you’re pushing for me to make a statement on the crackdown on undocumented immigrants and those who have overstayed their permitted time in the US. Aside from the post I wrote about this during the campaign explaining why such crackdowns were silly because of how the law is written and what Congress appropriates funds for in regards to dealing with, it is also socially corrosive. I also, if you recall, wrote a post about how the Southern border as a line on the map is in one place and as a demarcation of patterns of settlement is in another, which is why this type of crackdown and the attempt to bill the wall is just silly. As for the travel ban, it is self destructive as it gives ISIL what they want. Which I’ve also written about.

    Also, I do believe the Israelis directly targeted and sank the USS Liberty and the US government covered this up. I also don’t know what I can actually do about this.

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    Anne Laurie

    July 31, 2017 at 10:43 pm

    @germy:

    You’d think people with fake credentials would try to be a bit more low key.
    Instead of indulging in cosplay for the inauguration.

    People who decide it’s okay to fake credentials have a particular mindset. Once they get away with the fakery — or it looks, for a while, like they will — the mindset further “reasons” that yay! They’re GIFTED! They can (remember the Dubya drone?) make their own reality…

    It’s like the woman who wants to know, if she lets her dogs chew up her shoes, why can’t the dog understand that this one pair of expensive Choos or Louboutins is special & not-to-be-chewed? There are levels of reasoning which dogs, and fantasists, are just not capable of achieving.

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    Adam L Silverman

    July 31, 2017 at 10:45 pm

    Ooopsie:

    And you can't spell "onanism" without OANN.

    Corey Lewandowski Has Been Fired From The One America News Network https://t.co/6vMJXAzco7

    — Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) August 1, 2017

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    RobNYNY

    July 31, 2017 at 10:46 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Prosecutors call it “consciousness of guilt.”

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    germy

    July 31, 2017 at 10:46 pm

    @Another Scott:

    Fox’s Jesse Watters: “A lot of people wish President Trump was a dictator”
    Watters: Maybe then “we could repeal Obamacare”

    https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2017/07/27/foxs-jesse-watters-lot-people-wish-president-trump-was-dictator/217420

  239. 239.

    Another Scott

    July 31, 2017 at 10:48 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: FP:

    The office furniture started appearing weeks ago.

    Employees at the State Department couldn’t help but notice the stacks of cubicles lined up in the corridor of the seventh floor.

    For diplomats at the department, it was the latest sign of the “empire” being built by Secretary of State Rex Tillerson’s top aides. The cubicles are needed to accommodate dozens of outsiders being hired to work in a dramatically expanded front office that is supposed to advise Tillerson on policy.

    Foreign service officers see this expansion as a “parallel department” that could effectively shut off the secretary and his advisors from the career employees in the rest of the building. The new hires, several State officials told Foreign Policy, will be working for the policy planning staff, a small office set up in 1947 to provide strategic advice to the secretary that typically has about 20-25 people on its payroll. One senior State Department official and one recently retired diplomat told FP that Tillerson has plans to double or perhaps triple its size, even as he proposes a sweeping reorganization and drastic cuts to the State Department workforce.

    Veterans of the U.S. diplomatic corps say the expanding front office is part of an unprecedented assault on the State Department: A hostile White House is slashing its budget, the rank and file are cut off from a detached leader, and morale has plunged to historic lows. They say President Donald Trump and his administration dismiss, undermine, or don’t bother to understand the work they perform and that the legacy of decades of American diplomacy is at risk.

    By failing to fill numerous senior positions across the State Department, promulgating often incoherent policies, and systematically shutting out career foreign service officers from decision-making, the Trump administration is undercutting U.S. diplomacy and jeopardizing America’s leadership role in the world, according to more than three dozen current and former diplomats interviewed by FP.

    […]

    He’s violating his oath:

    “I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”

    Something like 90% of Trump’s appointees should be in the middle of impeachment hearings now – in a just world…

    Grr…

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    July 31, 2017 at 10:49 pm

    @germy: Fox’s Jesse Watters: “A lot of people wish President Trump was a dictator”

    Good god. Fox has actually gotten worse since Ailes left

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    Omnes Omnibus

    July 31, 2017 at 10:50 pm

    @efgoldman: Yep. One of my dad’s first cousins was on the path to a star. Airborne and Ranger. BSM with V and OLC in Vietnam. He ticked off all the right boxes until as a LTC on the COL list, he was offered a gig in Korea. He was getting divorced at the time and wanted custody. He declined the job and retired as an LTC. The next day, he went back to his same office as a civilian DoD employee. He was FA when it mattered, and switched to AG – his thing was computers. He would have stalled at one star.

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    Another Scott

    July 31, 2017 at 10:53 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: GMTA. ;-)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    schrodingers_cat

    July 31, 2017 at 10:53 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: I am just frustrated at the direction the country is taking, nothing personal against you.

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    dogwood

    July 31, 2017 at 10:54 pm

    @Kay:
    Watched a cable news clip the other day where Josh Ernest and David Frum talked about the disfunction in the WH. They were clear that while all staff serve at the pleasure of the POTUS and work to advance the administration’s agenda, the deepest sense of loyalty tends to exist among the staff. These are stressful demanding jobs, and you can only keep going if there is trust and respect among the staff. There is no chance that that will ever happen in Trumpworld no matter what Kelly does. These people don’t trust one another and never will. And maybe that’s what will save us in the end. W was a bad president, but his WH was not full of incompetent people despite democrats selling that line. It was organized effectively and functioned without chaos. We have to hope that the Trumpers never figure out how to set things up right because if, that ever happens, the damage will be beyond anything that George W ever created.

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    Omnes Omnibus

    July 31, 2017 at 10:55 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: Do you think we aren’t?

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    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    July 31, 2017 at 10:56 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:
    Watters should go to Zimbabwe or Russia and see what he thinks of a dictator being in charge.

    Better yet, let’s use Obama’s time machine and send him back in time to a 1930s Soviet Union gulag.

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    schrodingers_cat

    July 31, 2017 at 10:57 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: We all are. I guess I am more irritable because of all the Kelly fluffing in the media.

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    Adam L Silverman

    July 31, 2017 at 10:58 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: I understand. I empathize, sympathize, and agree.

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    Brachiator

    July 31, 2017 at 10:58 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: I’ve worked with a handful of people who turned out to be frauds. No matter how flashy their credentials appear to be, their actual work is crap. And they are lazy. They never want to do the work. One guy had somehow intimidated a female colleague into letting him submit her work as his own. He promised he would take care of her if he got a big promotion. Ultimately, he got caught out.

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    sukabi

    July 31, 2017 at 10:58 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: there was something I saw last week or shortly after Jr. made his statement that Sr. had a hand in “crafting” it….but it was more of an “oh yeah, Drumpf revised the statement. No biggy”

  251. 251.

    sukabi

    July 31, 2017 at 11:06 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: so between Tillerson not having staff and not knowing what he’s doing and not being in the loop with the WH do we even have a State Department any more?

  252. 252.

    sukabi

    July 31, 2017 at 11:10 pm

    @TenguPhule: Madman with Twitter.

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    Lurking Canadian

    July 31, 2017 at 11:11 pm

    @Mnemosyne: I nominate Justin Trudeau to play Fortinbras.

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    Kay

    July 31, 2017 at 11:16 pm

    @dogwood:

    the deepest sense of loyalty tends to exist among the staff.

    That makes sense to me. I still marvel at how people are fooled by Trump. It all just seems so fake to me. I find that “serious, Presidential” face he once in a while remembers to slap on almost comical.

    I try not to think about it because I can get spooked at how really vacant he is- how he doesn’t seem to have any ordinary human qualities. I was listening to Stephen Colbert the other night and he imitates Trump’s speech in the same way I hear it. He gets the bragging quality that I can’t describe. It doesn’t change enough for me, his tone. It’s the same sound no matter what he’s saying. It’s disturbing. It’s more like a car horn than a person speaking- just loud and alarming.

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    sukabi

    July 31, 2017 at 11:17 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: yeah I think the DMV messed it up…. Should have been FART WAR

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    Adam L Silverman

    July 31, 2017 at 11:18 pm

    @Brachiator: Unfortunately there is a cottage industry of people claiming bogus PhDs – from dodgy like Gorka’s all the way to completely fabricated/no documentation to sustain the claim – or bogus experience/capability being able to worm their way in with the military as consultants, advisors, etc. Some start as contractors and the companies there with don’t do proper vetting. Some get in other ways, such as being well connected. They are very hard to dig out. I’ve come across a bunch. I’ve only ever been able to dig out one of them. There just seems to be a blind spot among senior uniformed personnel.

  257. 257.

    Xenos

    July 31, 2017 at 11:18 pm

    @efgoldman: Re. Tillerson, the last ambassador to Luxembourg established a program for the embassy to celebrate international AIDs day and to commemorate gay marriage with a special ceremony and party. This has something to do with homosexuality being decriminalised more than 200 years ago, and the PM being the first gay-married head of state.

    This spring that event took place as usual, there being no ambassador to stop it. I don’t even think Tillerson noticed.

  258. 258.

    Cheryl Rofer

    July 31, 2017 at 11:19 pm

    @Another Scott: Yes. Tillerson has barricaded himself behind two or three staffers and has pretty much kept the rest of State at arm’s length. Now it looks like he is staffing up from those two or three to make the Policy Planning Office his private purview. I really can’t figure out what he’s thinking. Dan Drezner has done several columns in which he can’t figure it out either. I would like to hear more from people who had experience with him as an Exxon executive. Of course there are differences; he can be a secretive autocrat at Exxon, but the government is supposed to work differently.

    @sukabi: Yes, there is still a State Department. Most of the people who do the work are still in place. But the layer of Senate-approved managers that connects them to the Secretary and President is absent, and it appears that the Secretary and President want it that way.

  259. 259.

    Calouste

    July 31, 2017 at 11:23 pm

    @rikyrah: Kushner is going to be easy to turn. You arrest him on Friday before a long weekend and make sure the bail can’t come through until Tuesday. He’ll be so scared of jail that he’ll sign like a canary on Sunday.

  260. 260.

    Barbara

    July 31, 2017 at 11:23 pm

    Comments at Washington Post are a combination of disgust and despair:

    I’m 71 years old, spent 27 months in Vietnam, and I can honestly say that the last 6 months have been the longest and most stressful 6 months of my life!

    Only in this dysfunctional administration does a Communication Director’s firing after only 10 days on the job become old news less than 12 hours later. Never a dull moment with these crooks.

    The level of contempt for the rest of us, and the elevation of their own interests above anything else is just surreal.

  261. 261.

    NotMax

    July 31, 2017 at 11:24 pm

    @Xenos

    Tillerson probably thinks Luxembourg is one of those stinky cheeses everyone passes by at the executive dining room buffet.

  262. 262.

    sukabi

    July 31, 2017 at 11:27 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: Jared might be better off sharing a room with Assange. No extradition.

  263. 263.

    Adria McDowell

    July 31, 2017 at 11:30 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Preach it!

  264. 264.

    burnspbesq

    July 31, 2017 at 11:44 pm

    @sukabi:

    I believe there is an Amendment that says something about cruel and unusual punishment, although it’s far from clear whether that would be crueler and more unusual for Assange or Kushner.

  265. 265.

    sukabi

    July 31, 2017 at 11:54 pm

    @burnspbesq: cruel and unusual? Don’t care. the assholes deserve each other.

  266. 266.

    Kay

    July 31, 2017 at 11:54 pm

    This is wonderful, it’s the right thing to do and ballot initiatives are a lot of fun to work on. They can win this if they work hard enough. Something like 10% of Florida voters are disenfranchised because of a criminal record. They could flip the state if they win:

    The American Civil Liberties Union, which has stepped up its political engagement as its Trump-era membership has swelled, is getting behind a campaign to end Florida’s felon disenfranchisement law by changing the state Constitution. The decision will put substantial financial and activist resources behind an ongoing campaign to put a “Voter Restoration Amendment” on the November 2018 ballot.
    “It’s going to be at least [a] $5 million commitment, maybe more,” said Faiz Shakir, the ACLU’s national political director, in an interview. “We’ll build through the end of the year, and to get the signatures we need to get on the ballot, we’re looking at a million.”

  267. 267.

    sigyn

    July 31, 2017 at 11:57 pm

    @Anne Laurie: Oooh, I would love to see that post!

  268. 268.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    August 1, 2017 at 12:04 am

    @Kay:
    That’s awesome! Voting is a right not a privilege. No citizen should be deprived of their right to vote.

  269. 269.

    The Very Reverend Crimson Fire of Compassion

    August 1, 2017 at 12:04 am

    @TenguPhule: Yeah. I’m a cynical bastard, but that article opened up whole new horizons of dread.

  270. 270.

    david spikes

    August 1, 2017 at 4:03 am

    @efgoldman: And the one time he actually fought a battle(Kasserine Pass) it was a disaster.

  271. 271.

    Booger

    August 1, 2017 at 8:21 am

    @Adam L Silverman: Ask him what color is the boathouse at Hereford?

  272. 272.

    Adam L Silverman

    August 1, 2017 at 10:01 am

    @Booger: I’ve only ever had one encounter with him. It was by email. And it was quite enough to last a lifetime.

  273. 273.

    WaterGirl

    August 1, 2017 at 10:48 am

    @Kay: How do we know the leaker is Jared?

  274. 274.

    Seth Owen

    August 1, 2017 at 11:27 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: I topped out as a MAJ, myself. Had trouble with weight control. Still did more than 20. I did have a friend who got a star though — and she really was good, so it happens. She retired as a MG.

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