Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

The fundamental promise of conservatism all over the world is a return to an idealized past that never existed.

People are complicated. Love is not.

Trump’s legal defense is going to be a dumpster fire inside a clown car on a derailing train.

Stop using mental illness to avoid talking about armed white supremacy.

The revolution will be supervised.

When do we start airlifting the women and children out of Texas?

In my day, never was longer.

Every reporter and pundit should have to declare if they ever vacationed with a billionaire.

Let the trolls come, and then ignore them. that’s the worst thing you can do to a troll.

if you can’t see it, then you are useless in the fight to stop it.

In short, I come down firmly on all sides of the issue.

Let’s finish the job.

Motown is Joe-Town!

I’ve spoken to my cat about this, but it doesn’t seem to do any good.

Perhaps you mistook them for somebody who gives a damn.

Innocent people don’t delay justice.

… riddled with inexplicable and elementary errors of law and fact

Make the republican party small enough to drown in a bathtub.

Fuck that bum, let’s go Joe!

We still have time to mess this up!

I’m more Christian than these people and I’m an atheist.

“Can i answer the question? No you can not!”

Despite his magical powers, I don’t think Trump is thinking this through, to be honest.

Donald Trump, welcome to your everything, everywhere, all at once.

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Possibly while peeking through your fingers, as with any great horror movie…

(Drudge pulled his tweet, but not in time)


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Apart from spitballing the optics, what’s on the agenda as we wrap up the weekend?

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  2. 2.

    Mr Stagger Lee

    Well my take on the College Football Playoffs, I think it was a good choice despite my like for Ohio State. Alabama is a scary team and will make for good ratings in a rematch against Clemson, Hell the matchups are good, Still I prefer and eight team playoff.

  3. 3.

    WaterGirl

    If someone told Trump he would get the highest TV ratings, ever, for any event, he would do it in a heartbeat.

  6. 6.

    HeleninEire

    @Baud: Have great vacation, sweetie pie. We’ll miss you. Also, too, by the time you get back I’ll have a job!!! UGH.

  11. 11.

    Mr Stagger Lee

    @raven: Oklahoma-Georgia is going to be a fun game, Personally I am rooting for anyone against Nick Satan, and his ESPN fluffing Tide.

  15. 15.

    The Dangerman

    @Mr Stagger Lee:

    Well my take on the College Football Playoffs, I think it was a good choice despite my like for Ohio State.

    It’s going to have to go to an 8 Team Field; each of the Power 5 Champions get in and 3 Wildcards. If you run the table and NOT in the P5 (see UCF), you’re a wildcard automatically. If 3 teams qualify as Wildcards in that latter scenario and Alabama gets shut out, well, tough shit. Don’t ask me what happens if more than 3 teams run the table in their Non-P5 conferences.

    ETA: I wouldn’t pay a dime to watch Trump get interrrogated by Mueller. I would pay a lot for him to just resign and go quietly into retirement (and take his asshole spawn and spouses of spawn with him).

    ETA2: 2 teams from the same conference can’t be Wildcards. We’d call this the “Fuck The SEC” rule (Alabama and Auburn can bitch at each other for who would get in this year).

  16. 16.

    Corner Stone

    Man, what I wouldn’t have given for Paulie Walnuts to have stabbed him in the throat with a pen about forty times after he blew up on him like that one time.
    “Now who’s going on TV you fat fuck? Oh, you just going to lie there and whimper now, tough guy?”

  20. 20.

    Major Major Major Major

    So I guess the new thing is that the wingnuts are mad Mueller fired a guy for having clear anti-Trump bias? Because it proves that some people on his team might have anti-Trump bias, even though what it really shows is that they get fired for it?

  22. 22.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    Drumpf is sure behaving like someone who has nothing to hide and nothing to fear from Flynn turning state’s evidence.

    Cool cucumber that guy.

    I’d hate to play póker with him, he never sweats or panics when holding a terrible hand of cards.

  23. 23.

    Mr Stagger Lee

    @The Dangerman: I agree, I wonder if the Pac-12 coaches are going to rebel against their commissioner for some of the crazy TV scheduling of their elite teams. The Washington coach was particularly upset about that, but it was a down year for the Pac-12.

  28. 28.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    @debbie: plus OSU got steam rolled last year by Clemson 31-nada. They didn’t want another boring repeat

  30. 30.

    Corner Stone

    I wonder if Danielle Pletka has seen how small Chuck Todd’s pen!s really is, and that is why he keeps booking her on MtP.

  33. 33.

    The Dangerman

    @Mr Stagger Lee:

    …rebel against their commissioner for some of the crazy TV scheduling of their elite teams.

    Hope so. This year was ridiculous. I think you called it, Washington got hurt the worst.

    Only downside to an 8 Team playoff is a team like Bama would get rewarded for losing their final game (i.e., Auburn, this year). If they are almost a lock for a wildcard, they could practically take a dive and have an extra week of rest for the Tourney.

  35. 35.

    WaterGirl

    @Baud: I will miss you for sure.

    Everything about my existence has seemed awkward these past few months – I swear I am still reading BJ, but it seems like I get to the threads when they are dead. Hoping things will settle in for me again soon.

    Have a great trip!

  37. 37.

    Litlebritdifrnt

    DH is watching the Panthers (sad!) but at least we are getting our money’s worth out of the subscription charges we have to pay over here to get the NFL. Sadly there is no amount of money that will allow us to get college games as he would have loved to have seen the Oregon v. Oregon game. Never mind at least this game was on at 9pm our time. The last one started at 1am and went on until 4:30 a.m. He did a lot of snoozing that day. I have been having fun searching for recipes for the few things that DH loves that we can’t get over here. Already made and canned (jarred) a huge batch of Apple Butter (he loves it with his French Toast) thanks to my Mum’s gigantic slow cooker. Also found recipes for Ranch Style dressing (easy) and Spicy Ranch Dressing (little more complicated but doable and now made and bottled in the fridge). Next up home made A1 Steak Sauce. Got a recipe, so I will just have to see how it goes. Anything to save the horrendous shipping costs from the US. Having fun.

  40. 40.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Baud:

    Have a wonderful trip, and don’t forget us! Looking forward to reading all about you adventures. Be safe and happy, dear Baud.

  41. 41.

    NotMax

    Cranked out a stupendous loaf of dark pumpernickel last night in the super duper bread machine.

    Was leery as the recipe calls for both sugar and molasses; the end result not noticeably a sweet bread at all. As the only liquid used was strong coffee, guessing they balanced each other out.

  45. 45.

    Adam L Silverman

    @WaterGirl: It would basically look something like this. Which, to be honest, is still sad and hard to watch. This is clearly not a well person:

  48. 48.

    WaterGirl

    @SiubhanDuinne: Can you imagine how long it will take for us to hear about everything that happened, with Baud posting his usual one and two sentence comments?

  49. 49.

    WaterGirl

    @raven: I didn’t go to the Rose Bowl, but I did go to a Rose Bowl party. :-)

    I guess things are a bit more expensive now than they were then!

  50. 50.

    tobie

    @Baud: Bon voyage! The BJ community is going into withdrawal just contemplating your temporary absence. Just think, though, what energy there will be for the Baud 2020 campaign when you return. Have fun!

  53. 53.

    WaterGirl

    @Baud: Are you sure you can’t prepare some pithy comments and leave them with the front pagers? If threads can be auto-scheduled, surely some Baud comments could be auto scheduled while you’re gone?

  55. 55.

    Adam L Silverman

    @WaterGirl: If you watch the whole thing and part 2 you come away amazed that the judge didn’t have him placed on an 72 hour evaluatory hold after she saw the video.

  58. 58.

    Litlebritdifrnt

    Oh BTW just got back from a three-day “superbreak” to Edinburgh, round trip first class rail tickets on Virgin Rail plus two nights bed and breakfast in a beautiful Georgian B&B. 77 pounds per person (basically the cost of the rail fair the hotel was free). Had a wonderful time, Virgin First Class is a bit like a Virgin flight, they have stewardesses and stewards that come through and give you drinks and food and stuff. Found a brilliant pub for dinner and thanks to a girl at the B&B cottoned on to all day tickets to Edinburgh buses for 4 pounds each. We wandered all over the city and saw all the sights and thanks to the buses it didn’t cost us a thing (and saved my feet somewhat). My favourite bit was St. Giles Cathedral on The Royal Mile, absolutely stunning stained glass in a building that dates back to the 14th Century. I fell in love with St. Giles as soon as I heard that he saved his tame deer from a hunter’s arrow by sticking his hand out. He is now almost always portrayed with an arrow through his hand and a deer by his side. My kind of Saint! I haven’t been to Edinburgh for 30 years and I honestly had forgotten how much I love the city. Can’t wait to go back.

  59. 59.

    E

    Seventy two hours ago I gave Doug Jones $30.00. Just received my 29th email from the campaign, alternately begging me, proclaiming victory is at hand, proclaiming defeat is just around the corner, berating me, insulting me, thanking me. It’s quite awful.

  61. 61.

    Bill Arnold

    So, question: has anybody told Trump, or otherwise let him know, that as soon as he lifts his signing pen from a “Tax Reform”[3] bill on his signing desk, the rest of the Republican party will have very little use for him, and in fact will start going through the processes (some not obvious/overt) of removing him from power?
    They still need a signature on a bill to continue the operations of the US government, yes, so he would still have that leverage. But his days as POTUS are numbered (a small fraction of 1000) once he delivers tax cuts for the rich[1]. (A transfer of money from from the poor to the rich, in combination with debt to be paid by everyone working and especially by the young. Also a real-estate crash (perhaps only regional[2]) and some children-eating in the form of actively discouraging seekers of advanced degrees through 200-300 percent tax increases. And that includes STEM degrees.
    [1] Rude pundit, good read An All-Encompassing Terrible Bill: GOP Not Even Hiding the Class Warfare Anymore
    [2] I expect a significant tax increase (blue state, mortgage), and a reduction in property value, 5-10%, much much more if a recession is triggered by whatever bill (if any!) gets through committee.
    [3] Re “Tax Reform”, shame on the media for continuing to use the Republican framing.

  63. 63.

    WaterGirl

    D. R. Tucker at the Washington Monthly is really annoying this weekend.

    Post 1: Is Doug Jones Doomed?
    Sentence that made me want to bang my head against a wall:

    Moore has effectively won this election even if he loses it.

    Post 2: No One’s Out to Get Al Franken
    More of the same awfulness.

    Can’t they find anyone better than him for the weekends?

  66. 66.

    Adam L Silverman

    @E: They must have the National Association for Gun Rights folks doing their email outreach!

  68. 68.

    WaterGirl

    @Baud:

    When the NYT publishes some garbage article about the Dems, think of me.

    So basically all day, every day? With the exceptions proving the rule?

    I still think we should have the equivalent of “talk like a pirate day” while you’re gone, only “comment like Baud”. All comments must be short, pithy or funny. Pick two.

  73. 73.

    SFAW

    @Baud:

    JHC, are you still here? I thought you were going on vacation!?!
    You know what “they” say: “How can we miss you, if you won’t go away?”

    Have a great vacation! Recharge your batteries for the long campaign ahead!

  74. 74.

    JPL

    @Baud:Safe travels and maybe there will be a new leader when you return. Personally I’d vote for Obama, but my son told me that won’t happen. sad

  78. 78.

    Matt McIrvin

    @Bill Arnold:

    So, question: has anybody told Trump, or otherwise let him know, that as soon as he lifts his signing pen from a “Tax Reform”[3] bill on his signing desk, the rest of the Republican party will have very little use for him, and in fact will start going through the processes (some not obvious/overt) of removing him from power?

    Trump still has about 80% approval among the Republican rank and file. If any Republican elected officials do that, they’ll be hated in their own party and get primaried into oblivion. They won’t.

  80. 80.

    rikyrah

    John Harwood‏Verified account @JohnJHarwood

    GOP Sen Grassley defends slashing taxes on multimlllion dollar estates as reward for those who invest rather than “spending every darn penny they have on booze or women or movies.” tell me again who looks down on working-class in middle America?

  84. 84.

    rikyrah

    UH HUH
    UH HUH

    Tom Parfitt‏ @parfitt_tom

    16-strong Russian delegation was at National Prayer Breakfast yesterday. Here’s pro-Kremlin MP Andrei Makarov w/ Rep. Senator Chuck Grassley

  85. 85.

    NotMax

    @Litlebritdifrnt

    Much enjoyed Scotland when was there in the mid-70s. Should I ever be fortunate enough to return, would absolutely schedule the visit to include the once per year opening of this fanciful place.

    Most rapid takeoff on a commercial airline ever experienced was at Dyce airport in Aberdeen, for a shortish hop to London. Winds off the North Sea were gusting up to 100 mph that day.

  88. 88.

    Ben Cisco (onboard the Defiant)

    @Mr Stagger Lee: I was surprised that Bama got in;I’ll take it though. Looking forward to another shot at Clemson as I work with a number of their graduates. @The Dangerman: I don’t get why they didn’t go to an eight team field in the first place. There are five “power conferences” – somebody was going to get got every year regardless.

    Regarding scheduling, I would personally jettison all FCS opponents for ALL FBS teams. I’d rather play teams in the other division like Raven’s Dawgs anyway – better games that way.

  89. 89.

    SFAW

    @Baud:

    I hope to come back to impeachment proceedings already underway.

    Uh … they can’t impeach you until AFTER you get elected.

    Or did you mean someone else?

  92. 92.

    WaterGirl

    @Kathleen: I know! I saw that this morning after being away from BJ for most of the weekend. That’s how I knew Baud must be leaving soon. I listened to the whole thing. I was trying to decide which one I was, then I thought I might just ask Baud which of the 3 was his favorite, and then I would be that one. :-)

  93. 93.

    Kay

    Dreading the upcoming coordinated media/GOP campaign to attack “entitlements” now that they’ve passed the tax subsidy for the 1%.

    Are the Fix the Debts frauds booked on every channel yet?

  94. 94.

    rikyrah

    Nidhi Prakash‏Verified account @nidhiprakash

    SCOOP from @SalHernandez —>

    As Hurricane Irma headed for Florida, CBP continued arresting undocumented immigrants, despite public assurances that they wouldn’t in the interests of people seeking emergency help from authorities.

  95. 95.

    Ken

    @David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch:

    I’d hate to play póker with him, he never sweats or panics when holding a terrible hand of cards.

    Screaming “This is the greatest hand ever! I’m gonna win BIG!!! I’m all in!!!” is just as much of a tell.

  99. 99.

    Kay

    It’s really bad, but imagine how bad it would be without Mueller providing the only oversight or investigation or transparency on the Trump Administration.

    Imagine if Mueller and his 18 (or whatever) lawyers didn’t exist. The corruption free for all and crime spree would be incredible.

    Comey did one good thing, and that’s it. Sometimes all you need is one thing to redeem yourself- that’s his.

  101. 101.

    mike in dc

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Put Zainab Ahmad across the table from him and watch him slowly lose his shit. I think he’d set a record for most incriminating statements made during a single deposition.

  104. 104.

    Villago Delenda Est

    Full confession, ala Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men, then slap cuffs on him and haul him away to prison, forever.

  106. 106.

    Jeffro

    @rikyrah:

    GOP Sen Grassley defends slashing taxes on multimlllion dollar estates as reward for those who invest rather than “spending every darn penny they have on booze or women or movies.” tell me again who looks down on working-class in middle America?

    Just keep writing our ads for us, GOP senators!

    Or as someone incredibly awesome once put it…

    …”please proceed.”

  109. 109.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Ohio Mom: It’s what happens when he’s both not in control and he knows he cannot assert control/dominance. As I indicated during the primaries, when we were covering the debates, if one of the other candidates had simply stood up to him he’d have folded like a cheap suit. Jeb had the best reason to do so given that the President went after his father, his brother, and his mother. Had I been advising Jeb! I’d have told him to get in his face, both literally and figuratively. To the point where he needed to be prepared for and to actually punch him in the mouth. If just one of these guys had done this, he’d have folded like a cheap suit and his campaign would have been over. And whoever had done it would have locked up the nomination. If had been advising Fiorina, I’d have recommended she walk up to him at the first debate after he made the crack about her looks and slapped him hard.

  110. 110.

    Mike J

    David Frum‏ Verified account @davidfrum 4 hours ago
    Imagine if a black NFL player had said the things about the FBI that President Trump said today.

  111. 111.

    WaterGirl

    @zhena gogolia: They are all awful about it. That’s why I donate and then immediately unsubscribe from their list – except for a few people like Sherrod Brown. Just takes a second to unsubscribe.

  112. 112.

    rikyrah

    Tea Pain‏ @TeaPainUSA

    Do you hear that? It’s not sleigh bells or reindeer hooves on the roof. It’s Bob Mueller subpoenain’ Twitter for the IP records of Trump and John Dowd’s accounts. #JohnDowdIsScrewed
    11:55 AM – 3 Dec 2017

  113. 113.

    rikyrah

    Ronald Klain‏Verified account @RonaldKlain

    Hey Twitter: It doesn’t matter who DRAFTED the Trump/Dowd tweet. What matters is that it confirms that Trump knew Flynn had committed a crime when he asked Comey to let it go. THAT is obstruction.
    12:09 PM – 3 Dec 2017

  116. 116.

    rikyrah

    Michael McFaul‏Verified account @McFaul

    Trump has tweeted 36,500 times. To the best of my knowledge, yesterday’s tweet — the one adding evidence to his possible obstruction of justice — is the first time ever that someone else claimed to write a tweet for him. Just a coincidence?
    11:22 AM – 3 Dec 2017

  120. 120.

    Jeffro

    @Adam L Silverman: It’s shocking that none of them had the guts or the foresight to stand up to him AND note, “I know what your voters are looking for, DON, but unfortunately you’re such a pathetic fraud and con artist, you’ll never deliver for them. I will.”

    (Ok, and THEN slapped him)

  123. 123.

    rikyrah

    @Kay:

    Imagine if Mueller and his 18 (or whatever) lawyers didn’t exist. The corruption free for all and crime spree would be incredible.

    Comey did one good thing, and that’s it. Sometimes all you need is one thing to redeem yourself- that’s his.

    I’ll never forget that crazy azz Louise Mensch has said from the beginning that Comey would wind up a hero, when it was all said and done.

  126. 126.

    Suzanne

    @Baud: I’m going to miss you!

    I just woke up from a lovely couch nap. I don’t get to have many of those. I highly recommend them.

  128. 128.

    Adam L Silverman

    @rikyrah: Including the two people we know that are authorized to send tweets on his account: the caddy and Hope Hicks (aka the next First Lady of the US).

  129. 129.

    WaterGirl

    @Adam L Silverman: Sorry, that was supposed to be “why HER in particular”. mike in dc was kind enough to answer.

    I knew she was a hotshot, but I didn’t know details.

  131. 131.

    Doug R

    @WaterGirl:

    I swear I am still reading BJ, but it seems like I get to the threads when they are dead.

    You gotta get here before I comment.
    I am Threadkilla!

  132. 132.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Jeffro: Had I been advising Secretary Clinton my advice to her would have been something similar. If he gets in your space at the Town Hall style event, turn around and put your foot as far into his groin as hard as you can. When he doubles over, slap the taste out of his mouth. Then step back, turn around, and go back on about your business. That would have been the end of him.

    This is also why, while they may let me help plan insurgencies, they do not let me advise presidential candidates….

  135. 135.

    Patricia Kayden

    @Baud: Hope you have a fab break. Don’t do anything scandalous to damage your presidential run in 2020!

  139. 139.

    Josie

    @Patricia Kayden: Actually, that was a give away vote. When he actually could have stopped it, he helped to vote it out of committee, so voting no on the senate floor wasn’t all that brave.

  140. 140.

    gbbalto

    @Mr Stagger Lee: At this point, I’m kinda wondering whether the whole point of all the Trump-supporter coverage was to be able to go back and catalog the reactions as they realize, one by one, that he has screwed them.

  143. 143.

    Feathers

    @rikyrah: it always has bothered me when the idiot left goes on and on about all the deportations during the Obama administration. To me it was clear that the CBP was a rogue agency and Obama was just doing what he could to avoid the war going public. Maybe this just comes from growing up inside the Beltway and paying attention to career trajectories and how people changed and shifted since high school. Taking all the “take this job and shove it” that goes along with any grunt work job, and having Limbaugh et al turn it into a moral crusade is a horrible thing to watch.

    Note: I don’t mean protests by the people directly affected by the deportations and their allies. What went on was bad. But it seemed to come up as an answer to anything good the Obama administration did far too often.

  147. 147.

    Ruckus

    @David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch:
    He’s not cool or kwell, he’s an idiot. He has 2 speeds, bullshit at his own accomplishments (which aren’t in any way positive) and madness that some might suggest that one of his accomplishments is in any way not perfect.

  148. 148.

    Ruckus

    @WaterGirl:
    They never actually unsubscribe me. They say they have on the web page, but then they double up the emails. Most days I get at least 2 copies of every email. I must be on about 27 57 different mailing lists.

  150. 150.

    Jeffro

    @Adam L Silverman: I like it – would have made for AMAZING tv.

    Of course, a “back off, creep” followed by a pointer finger to his flabby chest probably would have had the same effect…

  152. 152.

    Tom

    @Kay: I’ll forgive Comey when the teenage DACA girls who couldn’t leave the country to see their dying mother get to see her. Oh yeah, that’s never. Fuck him.

  155. 155.

    SFAW

    @Jeffro:

    Of course, a “back off, creep” followed by a pointer finger to his flabby chest probably would have had the same effect…

    I think that, plus a “what’s that shit on your tie?”, at which point he looks down and …..

    ETA: Either that, or do what Gene Hackman did to Michael Rooker in the social club scene in “Mississippi Burning.”
    ETA2: On second thought, wanting Hillary to put her hand anywhere near Littledick’s teeny weenie is not fair to her.

  159. 159.

    WaterGirl

    @Ruckus: Huh. I’d say it works for me at least 95% of the time. Sorry to hear that you keep getting that crap after you have unsubscribed.

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