You didn't think your $7.20 would be much. Some of you gave $72 you barely had. In just two days, you guys donated over $1,000,000 to the @ACLU. Over 20,000 of you donated. You. Did. That. I am so grateful, so happy, so humbled and hopeful to live amongst you wonderful beings.
— christine teigen (@chrissyteigen) June 16, 2018
From the Washington Post, “Students begin tour to address gun violence, uniting suburban and urban survivors in Chicago”:
CHICAGO — The nation’s contentious debate about guns came here this weekend, to a small, nondescript South Side park in a city where violence is rampant and the homicide count is escalating. Survivors of a suburban school mass shooting in Florida joined with survivors of an ongoing urban shooting epidemic in an effort to unite the nation’s youth ahead of the upcoming midterm elections.
But instead of the walkouts and political speeches and boisterous rallies like one Friday night at a nearby church — which included music stars such as Chance the Rapper and Jennifer Hudson — on Saturday the students got down to work. In an understated effort in the struggling Auburn Gresham neighborhood, about 20 teenagers with the March for Our Lives movement began a 20-state summer bus tour with a drive to register young voters and encourage them to go to the polls.
The students and recent graduates of Florida’s Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, the site of a mass shooting in February that left 17 people dead and created a renewed effort to battle gun violence, said they don’t want a repeal of the Second Amendment or to banish guns. Instead, they want to galvanize the youth vote to make their peers understand how they can play an important role in getting more sensible gun reform laws on the books.
“The only horse we have in this race is living until tomorrow,” said Cameron Kasky, 17.
Volunteers maintained a registration kiosk as a DJ played music and local residents could pick up free fried chicken and ice cream. Partnering with teenagers from Chicago anti-violence groups, packs of young people canvassed surrounding blocks and rang doorbells. The Parkland and Chicago students, some of whom met during a Florida visit in March, walked leisurely as they talked and laughed with a familiarity that obscured the troubling circumstances that brought them together…
FLASHBACK: “I don’t want to rip families apart. I don’t want to send parents away from children.” — @HillaryClinton stands up for immigrant children and predicts how evil Trump’s immigration policy would be. pic.twitter.com/LhnRaYqljL
— Kaivan Shroff (@KaivanShroff) June 16, 2018
What’s not to like?
After all they have been thru during our “war on drugs”, they deserve this.
Fake news! I have it on good authority that she only campaigned on identity politics, moar war, and the fact that it’s her turn.
Good Morning,Everyone ???
I am really annoyed that there is no one out there, like Obama’s photographer is for him, to throw shade on the Trump phenomenon by simply putting up HRCs policy proposals and speeches against Trump’s actions. Like a daily diary of the dispossessed presidency of HRC.
@rikyrah: Good morning.
@aimai: I agree. Random people on Twitter will have to do.
Was the Trump immigation policy clear that they were going to do this? It sounds like it from the clip, and yet I don’t remember that. I know there aren’t enough laws about this.
Sacred? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…. gasp…. wheeze….. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA….
Stopit! Yer killing me!
@WereBear: I think the clip refers to deporting parents but allowing their young citizen children to stay.
Well we’ll just have to wait and see
If the President has a shred of humanity,
all he really has to do,
Is call off his dogs!
Theres a site called “Sleeping Giants” that has been posting info on the contractors involved with ICE.
I don’t know much about them and I’m on way out door for hour commute (ty chicago traffic)
but I know you all will dig further.
Have a peacefull day ?
I don’t get the Governor’s threat at all. The Kentucky legislature voted for expansion – I don’t see how the Governor alone can get rid of it. And, so what if he did? Either work requirements are legal or they are not. Holding the whole system hostage should not change the judge’s calculus on that point.
If Trump can be autocratic, why not Bevins? That’s how he sees it.
And using it as a legal argument is indicative of not just the weakness of their position but the profound stupidity that is theirs.
He never wanted Medicaid- the Demon.?
A guy I worked for turned 96 last week, WWII Navy landing craft skipper, landed Marines on the beach at Iwo Jima and Okinawa. He got his MBA at Harvard on the GI Bill after the war. A bit of an asshole, but smart and he brooked no bullshit from anyone or anybody. He has all the prejudices of the ‘Greatest Generation” . One of his daughters is married to a Jewish guy, he says, “He’s a Jew, but he’s smart and I like him” I called him to wish him a happy birthday, he was in his office, he still goes everyday. This old New York business guy, son of Italian immigrants, said this about trump, “He’s nothing but another cheap ass, phony, bullshitter from the Bronx, I’ve met a million of them over the years.”
Thanks for all the helpful information yesterday from BJ. You guys rock ??
Twitter tells me John Oliver took on Trump’s child kidnapping policy last night. I haven’t seen it on line yet, but I’m looking forward to watching.
I met Stinger for dinner yesterday. We talked about writing and politics. Also some of you. :-)
ETA: Raw Story has the Oliver clip.
Still so impressed with the Parkland students, especially the way they’ve used their fame to highlight stories that usually don’t get told (i.e., gun violence that affects non-white kids), their unrelenting focus on voter registration, etc.
@Baud: ah, thanks.
@MagdaInBlack: Now reading this at Mother Jones:
@Betty Cracker: They are savvy people, and I hear they are accepting advice and mentoring from other orgs. Best of all worlds.
CBS Morning Show has been covering the border extensively so far. Gayle King interviewed a border patrol agent, which I had to mute because he was spewing bullshit. The interview with the pediatric doctor was excellent, and she mentioned long term damage to children this policy is creating. The doctor also mentioned the joy she saw in a picture that Ivanka had with her children, and the lack of joy in the eyes of the children who were separated from there parents. Gayle asked about human trafficking and the doctor said if a child is screaming for her mother, we can assume that the person was her mother.
@Baud: well, you see, it’s identity politics to promise not to commit crimes against humanity against brown people.
That’s really how those people think.
@aimai: that’s because she actually cares about those policies and knows taking a higher profile would cause idiots to dig in.
This story is horrifying
Apologies to one and all, I should have wrote human decency instead of humanity, but I was listening to Mountain’s cover of Roll Over Beethoven and my fingers were flying faster than my feet.
TS (the original)
@Immanentize: GOP governors don’t have to follow laws – they just make them
However we do have a policy of arresting anyone and everyone who comes to the southern border of the United States seeking asylum. Therefor we are not separating children from their parents, we are separating parents from their children. Get your facts straight Libtards!!!
@OzarkHillbilly: Yup! They are closing legal points of entry in order to create a situation where all enter illegally.
The president must have been a bad boy, because someone took control of his phone. tsk,tsk,tsk
You can’t think that this is the only one.
say it again for the bleacher seats!
But her emails!!!
I’m glad Laura Bush spoke out in her OP ed, but am I being peppermint petty in being irratated she did not name Trump? There’s just way too much timidity on the Republican side over this party and it would be great if prominent Republicans started calling trump out by name.
this is who they are.
Congress should have enforced their own rules when all of these people lied at the hearings they held- that was the opportunity to hammer them on lying, as a deterrent.
The WaPo let HOTUS put out that bullshyt statement with lies, knowing full well that they had the Laura Bush Op-Ed, which,
1. Would go immediately to the top of the discussion list
2. Threw HOTUS’ statement into the dustbin of irrelevance.
@But her emails!!!:
General Kelly’s technique. Which he “hopes” he doesn’t have to use very long.
yeah, because separating children from their parents is SOOO funny. It’s a phucking laugh riot.
I think Bush makes Melania look bad, too. It’s funny- Melania’s statement about “heart” is so rote and boilerplate DC she sounds like “generic politician”. She hopes for bipartisan legislation in the coming months. There’s no heart in it at all.
Trump’s a coward. He won’t go after Laura Bush- not that she gives a shit if he does.
@rikyrah: Yup. Melanie’s statement got lost in the shuffle, because Laura compared it to Japanese internment. ‘
He didn’t tweet this
His tweets are run on sentences.
@Kay: I think she is trying to bait him, and John Kelly said don’t. It’s time for Michelle to pile on, and drive him over the ledge.
The Trump Administration first sent out the manly men to defend getting tough on 5 year olds, then they sent out the women to recite mush about how they feel bad about it. Later, Smoky Eye will use the fact that she’s “a mom” to deflect criticism and avoid accountability for this policy. Excuse me, “technique”. This technique.
i remember hearing that if she were elected we’d be in iran “in two seconds” so we def dodged that bullet amirite?
And we’re supposed to be grateful that Trump didn’t bomb North Korea. Of course, Trump is the one who threatened to bomb North Korea, but him withdrawing his threat means I have to thank him or I am actively in favor of bombing North Korea. They’re idiots. They screw up the simplest concepts.
Trump sees immigrant children as bargaining chips in political fight
06/18/18 08:40 AM
By Steve Benen
Indeed, the New York Times had an excellent piece over the weekend documenting how the president and his team decided to pull the trigger in recent months.
We know when the president did this, we know why, and we know how. We even know who was helping drive the decision behind the scenes. Trump may be desperate to shift the blame for his policy to those who have nothing to do with it, but top members of his team have openly acknowledged that this was, and is, the White House’s idea.
@Kay: I think she is trying to bait him, and John Kelly said don’t. It’s time for Michelle to pile on, and drive him over the ledge.
Come on, Forever FLOTUS.
I’ve been off the grid, but just in case it you guys missed it, Sessions’ church leadership called him out.
schumer put together and got passed a comprehensive immigration bill in 2013. ZEGS tabled it. but of course it’s the dems’ fault for our immigration laws.
ETA: not ryan, the original orangeman.
I had the opportunity to hear some of the Parkland, Fla. kids during their stop in Naperville, Ill. last Saturday. They were joined by inner city Chicago teens and activists from nearby suburbs to talk about gun violence — whether school shootings or gun carnage on Chicago’s South Side. They all give me hope.
The money quote from the visit:
“A lot of people have said we are this liberal army coming to disarm the law-abiding citizens and that is ridiculous, a flat-out lie,” said Matt Deitsch, a 20-year-old Stoneman Douglas graduate. “We are trying to prevent gun violence,” he said. “It has nothing to do with the Second Amendment. It has everything to do with protecting American citizens, protecting our children so we don’t have to worry or fear for our lives anymore.”
Add “I’m from a farm community” to the list of justifications/excuses. They’re livestock. Of course. If you were from a farm community you would know that.
Great statement. It will be ignored by the Christian-bashers around here.
HE ACTUALLY SAID THAT???????
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Colbert had Sessions going on about this separation is bibically justified. Like Trump, Sessions another smirky punk ass twat whose full of himself and needs to be punched in the face. I was clear by Sessions expression and body language Sessions knew he was being evil.
@Kay: Brian Stelter
No, these aren’t cages, @SteveDoocy says. The authorities simply “built walls out of chain-link fences.” Yes, that’s a real quote from Fox just now.
This might be a new show on the hgtv. How to decorate with chain-link.
That they are having to be creative is instructive. Cages penetrate through the bullshyt.
CAGES clarifies things.
I said before, the simplicity of the obvious EVIL of all of this, punches through the bullshyt.
The Other Chuck
Impeachment and imprisonment here is no longer enough. I now want to see Trump and GOP leaders handed over to the Hague.
The Other Chuck
Maybe when Christian theocracies stop being so fucking fascist, we’ll cut Christianity a break.
But, farms deal with ANIMALS, muthaphucka.
@The Other Chuck:
I HEAR YOU.
@The Other Chuck:
Right on cue.
@wuzzat: And all this time I thought he was a Southern Baptist. Love the quoting of Isaiah:
@JPL: Well then, if decoration minutia are so core and vital to the situation, why then are they complaining about the inhumanity of Manafort’s being in jail? The exterior is that of a Holiday Express!
Trump doubles down on racism at home by attacking our “ally” Germany and its immigration policies. From the Guardian.
Immigrants are animals, violent criminals, according to Trump. Don’t expect Republicans in Congress to back away from the vicious treatment of immigrant children. They must back their Dear Leader.
Gayle King was at the border reporting for CBS This Morning, and she did an excellent job. Here is one clip
This is the day border patrol agents became snowflakes.
Thanks to Germy for highlighting it also.
The excuse given when people arrive seeking asylum and they are turned away is that we don’t have the facilities or capacity to handle them. Yet, amazingly, there is enough capacity to hold all those who, because they have been refused at legal points of entry, are so desperate they try other ways.
This period will go down in infamy the same as the Japanese internment camps and the Trail of Tears. Not quite to the level of slavery. And what do they all have in common? Racism.
Gin & Tonic
@Brachiator: Couldn’t be doing Vladimir Vladimirovich’s bidding any better.
@germy: Let the galled jade wince.
@Brachiator: Trump is protecting us from becoming like Germany who recorded their lowest crime rate since 1992.
@OzarkHillbilly: That passage is conveniently ignored, as are others in a similar vein, by those who say the government has no responsibility to take care of the poor.
But her emails!!!
If that’s how they keep children in farm country, I think farm country needs more child welfare officers.
@The Other Chuck: Religion is neither good nor evil. The people wielding it are good or evil.
For the record, I’m a lifelong atheist.
@OzarkHillbilly: Exactly. Therefore a) merely being christian shouldn’t be used as evidence in itself of being a good — let alone well-intentioned — person and b) the good action of one or a few christians does not exonerate the actions of all those using its cover to do evil. They also don’t get to announce their own universal forgiveness, but that’s a personal beef.
@zhena gogolia: Well we’re not getting beaten and thrown in jails like Paul, or hung up on sticks upside down like Peter, so the level of persecution here is rather thin gruel, IMHO. Shining examples like Sessions and Conway just make Christianity a fine canvas for the broad brush of those who choose to use them as examples of the faith.
Having said that, none of us are above reproach for failing to meet the level of Christian perfection embodied by the Christ, which puts all of us on equal footing with the Apostles, who weren’t shy about their own failings, such as Peter displayed in the Gospels and Acts, and Paul wrote about himself. If this is the cross you have to bear, then it is pretty light indeed.
My course is to judge no one and forgive everyone.
I would hope to at least convey to fellow commenter’s here that we are all philosophers of varying degrees, and that American Stoicism, like Christianity, teaches us that our happiness is internal and not dependent on external stimulations. When dealing with politics or policy it’s better not to internalize other peoples points of views or emotional attachments before thinking things through very thoroughly, especially when we disagree with those views or policies, but more importantly emotions. It just isn’t healthy, either mentally or emotionally to become too wrapped up in the things external to our own happiness.
Finally we should not overlook, IMHO, how so much closer to the Christian ideals many atheists and non-Christians are than many prominent Christians with the mega-phones, some of whom richly deserve being hit on the head with colanders here at BJ, and other blogs and fora. That we get swept up in it is a choice we make.
I can admonish one and all, as Paul wrote, to widen yourselves out. Whether in matters of faith or politics there are a multitude of streams and creeks that flow into the rivers that flow into the seas. Yours is but one of them.
@japa21: They are Christians in name only, parading their “faith” for all to praise. I despise those people to the extent that I have Matthew 6: 5-6 on the back of my truck. My very Catholic neighbor doesn’t understand how an atheist has a Bible quote on his truck.
So you’re directing this homily at me and not at The Other Chuck as well? Interesting.
AMAZING, HOW THERE’S ENOUGH CAPACITY FOR THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN REFUSED AT LEGAL POINTS.
@zhena gogolia: I say this as a church raised girl. If Christians don’t want to be bashed, they need to stop letting the conservative movement use their faith without pushback.
There is tons of pushback. We don’t get represented on the news. The initial impetus for this exchange was an extremely strong statement by the United Methodist church condemning Sessions.
The Other Chuck
Born and raised Catholic, became a born-again in my teens, then atheist and never looked back. I’m well-acquainted with the very core doctrine of “salvation”, and the toxic notion that we are all not just fundamentally flawed, but damned to suffering for all ETERNITY, where billions of years, trillions, lifetimes of universes, are mathematically nothing. Eternity. Damned by an “all-loving” god unless we do his bidding as communicated by the elders of the religion.
Spare me whatever your denomination’s interpretation is that refutes hell: I’ve seen such moderates, followed them, even volunteered (while an atheist) to do charity work at churches that lived a more enlightened view. I don’t condemn the followers, I don’t condemn every offshoot of the ideology. This Jesus seemed rather a nice character, but the power belongs to the orthodoxy and some variant of its vision of hell. And I’m tired of the fear of damnation still being wielded as an instrument.
Spare me the downplayed vision of hell too. Denounce the very concept as an affront to God, fight against every last teaching of it (gonna be hard, it’s all over the Bible) and then maybe I can give a few inches. Til then, I’ll continue with my assertion that the core value of most religions is fear, not love.
@zhena gogolia: Not particularly to you, just riffing on your comment. I read the Methodist article, and the Atlantic I believe has an article on the Southern Baptist convention voting to cut their ties to the Republican party too. But no, I’m not singling you out. When you point a finger at someone there are three fingers pointing back at yourself. I just thought my remarks where general enough for the whole community at BJ.
@The Other Chuck: You’re right, Jesus was a nice guy.
As for hell as the orthodox use it, it doesn’t exist. Maybe a root cellar in Wycliff’s translation. Ecclesiastes states the living know they are dying and the dead know nothing at all, so who am I to believe, the Bible or the orthodox? What’s the point of the resurrection if one doesn’t really die? I’m not an orthodox Christian, nor an Orthodox Christian either. I’m just me. A log snatched from the fire, if you will.
As for atheists or other non Christians too, and the orthodox Christians for that matter, so long as they are doing things according to the law of love, then they are a law unto themselves. Everything beyond that is above my pay grade.
All I really know is Christ in the flesh, Christ dead, and Christ resurrected.
What does HOTUS stand for? A quick Google search didn’t give me an answer.
That sent me to archives to listen to that. One of my favorite Chuck Berry covers. Not for the timid. Tried to see Mountain twice when I was in 10th grade. They cancelled both times. But I later saw West, Bruce, & Laing.
Then I guess we need more pushback.
This is a discussion for another thread and maybe another day, but there is no question that the established Christian churches, including the Catholics, pretty much ceded the label “Christian” to right-wing fanatics in the late 70s. When the cable shows have “Christian” on, they are always a RW fanatic, never Catholic or Mainline Protestant. They’ve never moved to reclaim it.
I have no idea why they don’t, but I suspect it’s because their congregations are mostly Republicans who are less vocal, less crass, but also support the RW policies. The Catholic Church has been vocal about abortion & gay marriage & little else. The occasional mannerly words from the Methodists, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Episcopalians, or UCC don’t really register.
Please don’t take this personally.
I wholeheartedly agree that the issue with Christianity is the media vacuum around progressive Christians. I spent 5 years trying to persuade progressive Christian leaders to focus more, much more, effort and resources, on a modern media push. When we explained how this works, backed up by some of the most capable communications professionals and academics, we got every excuse in the book. We even got total lack of understanding from some very intelligent people, “We’ve got to get the facts to them.” I gave up when the rest of the group bailed.
Wanting better media coverage is not enough. Right wing “christians” were a fading phenomenon until they adopted a media strategy and got long term funding.
A good campaign could help revive progressive Christian denominations. Indeed it has placed them in the center of moral leadership in many communities.