Fuck this guy and may he suffer all the karma he deserves.
I’m out of words at this point.
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Hey Washington Post, “Democracy Dies in Darkness” was supposed to be a warning, not a mission statement.
Today in our ongoing national embarrassment…
They are not red states to be hated; they are voter suppression states to be fixed.
There are a lot more evil idiots than evil geniuses.
There are consequences to being an arrogant, sullen prick.
If you voted for Trump, you don’t get to speak about ethics, morals, or rule of law.
If America since Jan 2025 hasn’t broken your heart, you haven’t loved her enough.
Not rolling over. fuck you, make me.
These days, even the boring Republicans are nuts.
Dear Washington Post, you are the darkness now.
Of course you can have champagne before noon. That’s why orange juice was invented.
Narcissists are always shocked to discover other people have agency.
Conservatism: there are people the law protects but does not bind and others who the law binds but does not protect.
My right to basic bodily autonomy is not on the table. that’s the new deal.
The Supreme Court cannot be allowed to become the ultimate, unaccountable arbiter of everything.
Those who are easily outraged are easily manipulated.
The real work of an opposition party is to hold the people in power accountable.
Oh FFS you might as well trust a 6-year-old with a flamethrower.
It may be funny to you motherfucker, but it’s not funny to me.
When someone says they “love freedom”, rest assured they don’t mean yours.
Make the republican party small enough to drown in a bathtub.
Good lord, these people are nuts.
Prediction: the gop will rethink its strategy of boycotting future committees.
A sufficient plurality of insane, greedy people can tank any democratic system ever devised, apparently.
Baud
Doctors’ statements are curt.
catclub
Easier to say ‘Don’t let it dominate your life’ when you have gold plated healthcare available at the slightest sniffle.
Geoboy
Well, Donnie, you may feel better than you did twenty years ago, but you sure as hell don’t look better than you did 20 years ago (and given what you looked like then, that’s should be concerning).
Eljai
I wonder how long that tweet will take to backfire?
Yutsano
It’s the dex. It has to be. He’s on such a euphoric high that it’s elevating his narcissism. And he’s going to collapse in a few days if not tonight. I just can’t. He needs to live long enough to lose the election. After that I don’t care.
Baud
All these doctors are going to have their careers ruined if Trump relapses
Zzyzx
I thought I was immune from his provocation, but I apparently am not.
I’ve agreed to shut down seeing friends and hearing music and travel and eating out and pretty much doing anything that I enjoy in life because I couldn’t live with myself if I infected anyone. And now 30-40 percent of the population will feel empowered to be their worst selves.
It’s hard enough to behave ourselves and follow the rules. Now it’s going to be next to impossible.
Chief Oshkosh
@Baud: Not if they tell the truth.
Nelle
Or it is a hoax. A big f-ing hoax. Ha. Ha. True or not, Putin is laughing all the way to the bank.
Baud
@Chief Oshkosh: They’re endorsing releasing him. Trump himself will blame them first if he ends up back in the hospital.
Dorothy A. Winsor
Man, he must be on some good drugs.
Ksmiami
@Baud: If?… you mean when right?
Elizabelle
More cowbell.
Wyatt Salamanca
Trump may well have shit for brains, but he’s a macho, macho, macho man who can beat COVID-19 with both hands tied behind his back!
Also too, this information from Dr Megan Ranny is fine. What could possibly go wrong?
h/t https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-doctor-warns-that-trumps-steroid-treatment-can-cause-psychosis-delirium-and-mania/
RepubAnon
@Eljai: I’m guessing about 5 days before Trump’s in an ICU.
Fraud Guy
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Some really GREAT drugs.
Baud
@Ksmiami: No idea. COVID is not that predictable.
Fraud Guy
@RepubAnon: from your keyboard to gods’ eyes.
Mary G
These doctors should all lose their licenses. Especially this Conley dude
ETA: The press is pissed.
Baud
@Mary G: Conley needs to take lessons from Pence on lying.
Gin & Tonic
@Baud: If they are actually discharging him and not making him leave AMA, then they are a lot stupider than I had assumed.
MattF
Trump is directing his own treatment. Which won’t stop him from blaming Biden (or Obama) when it fails.
Aleta
Sooner or later
Everybody’s kingdom must end
I’m so afraid your courtiers
Cannot be called best friends
Paul W.
@RepubAnon: Even if he never goes back to the hospital, there is a >50% likelihood that he has severe lingering effects like fatigue and shortness of breath. One puts limits on his preferred 1.5 hour rallies and the other cuts out his golfing time.
Also, too… I guess it remains to be seen how insane the areas he tries to campaign in are to allow him to do so anytime in the next 20 days. He’s going to be a vector for an insane amount of personally caused pain in addition to the gaping hole in our national strategy.
Bex
Have they installed an ICU in the White House?
MisterForkbeard
Dude is high as a kite AND a giant asshole.
Good chance he’ll need to go back. Or should but won’t.
Baud
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The Dangerman
“Don’t be afraid of Covid”
What a POS. Fuck him.
This however reminds me of Kevin Bacon’s character in Animal House.
”All is well”
Didn’t end well for that character, won’t end well for Trump. Could be this week back at the Hospital or after the election. His demise is incoming, one way or another.
J R in WV
I posted this comment on an earlier thread, but it’s very appropriate here:
Well, the good news from the iDJT this afternoon is that he will continue to infect his admirers and employees… I would bet a substantial sum that he will be back at Walter Reed soon.
I very much doubt that he’s actually no longer infected.
People in the White House should call in sick for the next few days. All of them. The Third Lady should check into the local Trump hotel, but probably won’t; perhaps that is prohibited by the revised pre-nup…?
Very much like living in a Gibson novel at this point. Or perhaps the world where military intelligence is combating demons attracted by computers?
Fuck all these people with a set of rusty farm implements!!!
Elizabelle
One positive: those noisy pro-Trump Branch Covidians can stop bellowing outside Walter Reed. Have read they are right against the travel lanes outside. Unmasked, a lot of them. And loud, loud, loud.
======
Can you imagine how hard Merkel and Macron must have slapped their heads, or heads to desks, when they saw that tweet? Suspect their private thoughts are not greatly different than ours.
Punchy
So where, specifically, does he go to isolate? Has anyone asked this? Is he going back to the WH or Mar-a-Largo? If the former….holy crap, others will catch it within days.
ETA: I see they asked his doc this very question, and he basically went Sgt. Schultz on the question….what a dumbass.
WaterGirl
@Baud: Unless they announce publicly that Trump is checking himself out Against Medical Advice, I totally agree with you.
Baud
@WaterGirl: They are not.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Reporter: Did you use hydroxychloroquine?
Conley: /tap dances around ‘no’/
Immanentize
Re-upping from old thread for new arrivals:
“I’m coming home!”
Death’s Door by Depeche Mode
NotMax
I’m out of words at this point.
Big bowl of alphabet soup will fix that lickety-split.
;)
catclub
I am flashing back to Fitzmas here at BJ.
My prediction is he will not go back in hospital – just like the other 75% of people who get covid.
WaterGirl
@Baud: What the fuck is wrong with these doctors?
Mag
What’s the over/under Trump making it to election day above ground?
catclub
Even BoJo, one suspects.
cain
@Chief Oshkosh:
The truth? You can’t handle the truth! Son, he has neither the time nor inclination to explain himself to you. He suggests youlisten to his lies. Either way, he doesn’t give a damn of what you think he’s feeling.
Mag
@Nelle: Yup — still think good chance it is a hoax on Trump’s part.
Kay
Good news on the white collar crime beat:
Liberals haven’t celebrated the collapse of the NRA enough. Trump’s single largest donor lit themselves on fire.
Ksmiami
@Baud: See Herman Cain Covid timeline
Baud
@Kay: Targeting!
cain
I hope he holds out till November.
Baud
@Ksmiami: Herman Cain makes COVID predictable?
LuciaMia
Relapse is a bitch. Hope he collapses on a rally podium.
David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch
Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop using steroids
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Kay:
Should have raked.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@catclub:
you might well be right, and I’m done hoping for the odds to catch up with this Viral Load of a human being, but people who know what they’re talking about suggest that he wouldn’t have gotten steroids if he didn’t have a pretty severe case. The relevant comparison would be to people who get that steroid therapy, wouldn’t it?
Hoodie
@Yutsano: Ya think?
Ilieitz
I wonder when a secret service agent is going to go rogue
Kay
@Baud:
We didn’t have to do anything either. The NRA committed suicide in an orgy of greed and corruption.
Comrade Colette Collaboratrice
ActBlue’s gonna go over $7 BILLION sometime today. I hope one good thing that comes out of this fucking malignant irresponsible* lunacy is that that happens faster, and the total keeps rising at the present pace.
Vote him out.
*”irresponsible” seems like such an inadequate word, but I’m running out of words.
MattF
@WaterGirl: Trump ignores advice he disagrees with. Are you going to tie him down? That’s what is done in hospitals with patients who are self-destructive and manic.
hueyplong
Cain timeline repeated for your convenience
6/24: Attends Trump rally, maskless
7/2: Tests positive for Covid-19
7/10: Says he’s improving
7/15: Says his doctors seem happy
7/27: Says he’s really getting better
7/30: Die
[Edited to add that it’s my view the Cain timeline makes COVID more, not less, unpredictable, especially where, as here, we haven’t much clue as to the facts.]
MazeDancer
Now that he has discovered Dex – street name Skittles – he will never stop taking it.
Side effects of abuse:
ET
The way this has been handled is definitely encouraging people to think this was a publicity stunt. Given how many others tested positive I doubt it.
Gvg
@WaterGirl: they cannot say anything without the permission of the patient. This is true of any patient, not just Trump. However he is their bosses boss so they have to say something.
maybe Trump didn’t need to b hospitalized in the first place and all the reports of oxygen and fever are wrong OR he is high as a kite. Don’t know. They all lie. No credibility left.
scav
We truly are living in blessed blessed times. For GSD loved the ‘merka much that he stood admiringly in awe as The Donald invented bleach and lightbulbs. A mere four years ago, there was no knowledge!
p.a.
His retainers may now make him work harder looking like he’s working hard than he’s ever actually worked, to maintain the fiction. Might actually fuck him up more than if he returned to his slothful reality.
Mary G
@Gvg: This. Only the 27% will think Conley is being straight with us.
Baud
@hueyplong: So right around election day for Trump?
Kay
@ET:
I don’t think it matters. Conservatives will remain selfish, reckless people and we’re still going to beat them in a month. I don’t care about their health problems and I can’t find out anything real anyway even if I did- even their physicians lie constantly.
Sloane Ranger
So, he’s out. Doctor’s getting his Admiral rank for sure.
What are the odds he gets declared COVID-19 free the day before the debate and says he’s going, in the hope that Biden refuses to be in the same room as him and can be painted as weak and fearful?
Punchy
What’s the street name for actual Skittles?
schrodingers_cat
After the utterly spineless performance of the of the generals in the ? ? cabinet and the Baghdad Bob like performance of his naval doctors, I wonder why these supposedly manly men cannot stand up to this despicable bully boy.
hueyplong
@Baud: Nov 4 works for me, if we’re picking a day.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@MazeDancer: And we’d know the difference exactly how?
TaMara (HFG)
I’ve been watching The Stand (from early 90s) and the first hour sure feels familiar. And now this song is running through my head.
Betty Cracker
Trump has to leave the hospital, declare himself the boss of COVID-19 and decree that the danger has passed based on his own survival, or his reelection bid is kaput. It may be anyway — there are only 29 days left, and all the data we have says he’s in a hole. But this is his only shot.
Maybe it’ll pay off. He’s obese and elderly, but he does have the very finest available public housing and the best government-run healthcare in the world. Maybe he’ll take a turn for the worse. Maybe not. Who knows? But it’s a gamble he had to take because losing the election — especially in a landslide — will be an extinction-level injury to his extra-fragile ego.
scav
@Kay: Hey, a Good reason to drink! Thanks! The Gin & Grim Endurance routine was beginning to wear.
Baud
@schrodingers_cat: If men were courageous, they’d be women.
JPL
@Kay: I needed that level of optimism. Because I was so distressed that he is going to cause a massive spread, I went out to blow some leaves of the yard. My DIL’s mother has to have chemo again, and I can tell you that her immune system is such, she can’t even see the joy of her life, her grandson.
We don’t need this.
MattF
@Sloane Ranger: Worse, Biden will be mocked for declining the opportunity to be infected.
Kay
Doctor is a politician. Just like the last Trump doctor- a lying hack. I wonder if this is how all the physicians on the Right will be now- you won’t be able to hire them, either.
mad citizen
I could never get to his level of narcissism, but here’s one thought: For once I’m glad I don’t live in a swing state, because if gets better he’ll want to do rallies and chances are nil he will come to my city/state.
He’ll probably have one Wed night, undercutting Pence, etc.
mrmoshpotato
Woooooooow!
What a traitorous, orange, fascist, sack of shit!
These walking skidmarks should’ve just yelled “Fuck you all who had family and friends die! I’m still alive!”
KayInMD (formerly Kay (not the front-pager))
Now I can only hope he calls Bill Barr in for a command performance. And makes him appear without a mask (“What’s the matter Bill? What are you, a coward?”). I know, I’m a terrible person.
Kay
@JPL:
The NRA might have helped Trump this election if they hadn’t have imploded in a massive corruption scandal. So that’s good! :)
You’re ahead in every state that matters and in some of them you’re ahead by more then 5. We’re going to beat him and we might beat him badly, like humiliating defeat.
One more month.
Elizabelle
WaPost:
Moon suit. Shroud. Whatevs.
cain
@Elizabelle:
He makes the assumption that he is well enough to go. Perhaps he might be in a different place wearing a moon suit.
Ken
I think you mean Charles Stross’s Laundry series. If you don’t, please share – I could use some new reading material.
John Revolta
@Aleta: EJ’s second album is sadly underrated
Behind four walls of stone the rich man sleeps
It’s time we put the flame torch to his keep
Burn down the mission
If we’re gonna stay alive
Watch the black smoke fly to heaven
See the red flame light the sky
Burn down the mission
Burn it down to stay alive
It’s our only chance of living
Take all you need to live inside
Kay
We had a C positive kid on Friday on the school bus. I got a text from our school emergency system. They already quarantined all the other kids who were on the bus, so our underfunded, rural public school is absolutely trouncing the Trump Administration on competence.
There are good people. They’re just not these people.
chopper
he’s high as hell on dexamethasone, of course he feels fantastic for now. this isn’t going to end well.
Chetan Murthy
OT (sorta) but a bleg nonetheless: Does anybody have ideas on where to buy N95 masks? Like … 12?
The story: My mom has a friend in a Red State who is gonna be a pollworker. She’s …. well, my mom’s age, and it’s for three weeks, 12hr/day. My mom told me about it, and my second thought (my first was about personal safety, but my mom tells me that the location is close to the police headquarters). Three weeks, 12 hours a day. She has a face shield (but that’s not so effective) and cloth masks. I think to myself: can we buy and ship her some N95s? Because I’d like my mom to see her friend again sometime next year.
Any ideas where to get ’em (that I can trust they actually work)? To be clear: this is not a bleg for $$, but rather *only* for leads to where to find good quality N95 masks.
P.S. I recognize that there are probably other personnel who need these masks, too. But …. she’s doing us all a solid, pollworking in a Red State.
ETA: if anybody else has suggestions for better PPE, I’m all ears. 12 hours a day, three weeks. 75 years old. Ugh.
NotMax
@Elizabelle
Uranus suit.
:)
hueyplong
Johnson is spewing Russian propaganda against Biden and is unconcerned about how transparently he is doing so. He’s not about to hesitate to show up for that vote. So it’s basically up to the Reaper to determine whether Johnson casts that vote. No one else’s views/arguments matter.
Omnes Omnibus
@WaterGirl: Would they be allowed to state that publicly?
rk
@mad citizen:
I’m in a swing state and I’m torn between voting by mail or in person. I don’t trust that my mail in vote will be counted.
Splitting Image
I’m sanguine about Trump leaving the hospital.
If he relapses and dies, I’ll be happy.
If he toughs his way through it and infects a bunch more Republicans, I’ll be happy. I wouldn’t cry too hard if he focused on his Senators, either.
If he manages to recover without further incident, I’ll be disappointed, but if by doing so he encourages more of his voters to take needless chances and kill themselves in his place, I’ll be happy.
Kay
The kids are cute “are you quarantined?” – they’re checking up on one another.
I always wonder how they’ll think of this time they lived thru. When their government collapsed for a period of years. Probably depends on it if it gets back up, I suppose.
Sebastian
@KayInMD (formerly Kay (not the front-pager)):
I am all for it. Let them ride the fascist tiger all the way to the end.
Ken
IIRC, 23% of them die, versus 26% in the control group. In that general range, anyway. I haven’t seen anything on whether dex helps with the “long haul” covid effects.
MazeDancer
@Sloane Ranger: Odds would be high, except the next debate is a town hall.
Possibly, Joe Biden wouldn’t let an entire audience of civilians be exposed.
cain
If the president dies, I hope those attending doctors know that the blame will put on them for letting him out. Their careers would be effectively be over, and the only thing they will have left is a tell all book about what went down.
The Thin Black Duke
Thankfully, Biden is smart enough not to get caught up in a ridiculous dick-measuring contest with Trump, and everybody else in the country who isn’t batshit crazy will appreciate that. Please proceed, Donnie.
Gin & Tonic
@chopper: Some years back, my son was on a course of very high-dose steroids for treatment of disease. He was just reminiscing about the mental/psychological effects – and not in a good way. It’s a time he’d rather forget.
Sebastian
@Splitting Image:
Should we start egging him on? That anyone who doesn’t meet with him is disloyal?
There's no such thing as a good Republican
When a person as sick with COVID as Trump’s medical regimen would indicate he is tries to escape the hospital, you lock them up in a secure COVID psychiatric ward as a suicide risk and immediate danger to others.
Right now the most ethical path for Trump’s doctors to take is to manufacture a blood-oxygen level emergency, intubate, hook him up to a respirator, and handcuff him to the bed. It’s the only way to protect him from himself.
schrodingers_cat
This entire presidency right from the day he announced his candidacy feels like a bad marriage with a abusive spouse. I have had quite ENOUGH
I am bone tired of this constant drama.
schrodingers_cat
@Gin & Tonic: How was your DIL’s GC interview?
Brachiator
@Wyatt Salamanca:
Shit, this is a day ending in “y” for Trump.
Malovich
So, Trump feels great, will be ‘discharged’ from Walter Reed at 6:30pm today.
Side effect of dex is the plenty-mentioned mania. Side effect of COVID that’s just coming to light is pain suppression due to interference on the Neuropilin-1 receptor, interrupting the normal neurological pain sensitivity process.
Known effect of pushing yourself when infected with COVID: long-haulers. The disease settles into normally hard-to-infect ACE-2 sites like the heart and wreaks havoc there.
One good thing is that Trump is testing unheard-of treatment therapies for us.
mali muso
@Comrade Colette Collaboratrice: Watching the ActBlue ticker is my form of therapy. Been waiting for the big 7 billion number to roll over. At the rate it’s been going, that’s probably an hour or more away..
Tossed some more in the Kansas senate race today myself.
Sebastian
I want him to meet with McConnell.
Baud
The second debate isn’t for 10 more days. That should be enough time to find out how Trump is really doing.
ETA: Or in Trump time, two decades.
persistentillusion
@Chetan Murthy: Amazon (I know) has a wide variety of N95 masks. Under $100 for a 20 pack.
J.
@catclub: My thought exactly (after “I wish you would die, you orange turd”). #VoteHimOut
randy khan
@Betty Cracker:
This is my take. There basically are three paths to consider:
1. Stay in the hospital until it’s clear he’s okay.
2. Leave as fast as possible even if he’s not definitely in the clear and it turns out okay.
3. Leave as fast as possible even if he’s not definitely in the clear and he crashes and has to go back.
2 is the best possible case. 3 obviously is the worst case, but from an electoral point of view, 1 is pretty bad, too, and the longer he stays in the hospital, the closer it comes to 3. And he’s behind, and there’s probably polling evidence that every day in the hospital is putting him further behind.
So if all you care about is winning (and if the person in question is a complete narcissist who believes in his own infallibility), you go with door number 2.
Brachiator
@cain:
I wouldn’t blame them. Trump is being Trump. He is solely responsible for the consequences of his actions.
Bobby Thomson
I reported him for encouraging self harm.
Mary G
catclub
@Punchy: death for trayvon.
Bluegirlfromwyo
@The Thin Black Duke: No one seems to have enjoyed the dick measuring contest last Tuesday (that was less than a week ago? I hate living on Trump Time.) So I think you’re on to something here.
cain
plot twist: Trump would rather die than to see the 25th amendment invoked and him handing power to Pence who he holds in contempt. Instead, he’s gonna go back and do an EO ordering Ivanka to take over if he becomes incapacitated. It will be the Javanka taking over the nation.
schrodingers_cat
@cain: IANAL but I don’t think that he can appoint a VP by an executive order
cain
Of course, but the right wing will want someone to blame and the doctors are easy pickings.
Raven
Actually I have a not great version of giving the bird Nixon’s bird as it is landing on try WH Lawn.
Nelle
Our Democratic party in our county here in Iowa (the most populous county) has trained volunteers who will pick up your ballot (they have badges) the day you call, give you a receipt, and put it in a locked box before delivering it to the County Election Box that same day (the day that you call them). My seriously isolating neighbors (I haven’t even seen the woman outside) are greatly relieved.
This county party is a mighty machine. They have been registering voters right and left. They held a drive in fundraiser that had 900 people drive in, with meals delivered to their cars (last year’s steak fry with all 12 or 13 of the presidential candidates had about 11 or 12,000 attendees. That was fun and now it looks, in retrospect, so innocent.
cain
He’s gonna temper tantrum it. He’s already managed to get out of the hospital because nobody can stand up to him. He’ll make an argument and an attempt. If he has to, he will drop Pence like a hot potato.. and leave it empty on purpose. It requires both houses to confirm a new VP. He’ll purposely leave it open.
Gin & Tonic
@schrodingers_cat: It has not yet been scheduled. All she got was the confirmation that the documentation is adequate. We’re hoping for an interview before year-end. Unfortunately, it will have to be in Juarez, which is a pretty crappy destination.
Ken
That’s such pre-2016 thinking. The God-Emperor (and if Trump stays on the mania-inducing steroids, we may see him painting himself gold and calling himself that) does as he wills.
Danielx
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
makes it sound good, doesn’t he?
Hoodie
@Brachiator: The docs tried to cover their asses by saying it was ok for him to return to the WH because he would be surrounded by world class medical care 24/7. Of course, they failed in their duty to protect public health by allowing him to return to a facility that is known to have a poor track record of practicing safety measures that prevent COVID transmission. I imagine they didn’t want him to leave Walter Reed but he insisted on it. The next shoe will be him trying to take AF1 on the road for campaigning.
schrodingers_cat
@Sebastian: Excellent idea. All the Rs on the senate judiciary committee and Bill Barr along with COVID Barrett should meet him for discussing strategy about the upcoming hearings.
Gin & Tonic
@Brachiator: IANAL, but the only way the doctors can be not responsible is if they make him sign out AMA. And they’re not doing that.
Splitting Image
@Sebastian:
Probably not necessary. Trump will tell them so himself.
schrodingers_cat
@cain: How does that help the Rs? If Orange is incapacitated then Nancy Pelosi gets the big chair.
schrodingers_cat
@Gin & Tonic: Good luck to both your son and DIL.
Ken
@Splitting Image: I do hope someone points Trump toward the reports that Don Jr. thinks his father is behaving erratically and wants an intervention.
Actually I’m pretty sure Jarvanka will, because this little clan wouldn’t pass an opportunity to knife one another in the back.
hueyplong
@cain: Not really sure he can fire the VP, either. that shit got resolved at the convention.
No one argues with your notion that he’ll attempt to brazen his way through all kinds of things he can’t really do.
LuciaMia
Stock Market shot up on Trumps announcement. The only thing he cares about.
cain
I think he’s deranged enough that he would do that. It’s not like actually gives a damn about Rs or anything other than himself. The loyalty is one way.
Aleta
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: All those promotions by Trump, Giuliani, Hannity, Navarro et al. for Sanofi and its hydroxychloroquine didn’t protect him from the virus huh. Oh well, as long as they made some money.
RaflW
@Baud: I think a few of these doctor’s careers are already in tatters today.
cain
“I have altered the deal.”
Anyhoo, I think likely nothing – but I think it will absolutely kill him to defer to Pence. I can’t imagine the man not trying to do something about it.
Gin & Tonic
@LuciaMia: It was up all day.
Brachiator
@cain:
I wouldn’t blame them. Trump is being Trump. He is solely responsible for the consequences of his actions.
The right wing will invent whatever mythology they need to keep the Trump cult alive. For all we know, if Trump dies, the right wing would compare him to Jesus, taking on Covid-19 to keep America great.
Gin & Tonic
@schrodingers_cat: Thanks. They’d like to be together again.
There's no such thing as a good Republican
@Bluegirlfromwyo: Last Tuesday was more of a Rochambeau contest that Trump thinks he won because he kicked himself in the nuts and couldn’t get up while everyone else is mocking him for exactly the same reason.
bluefoot
@Chetan Murthy: The only place I’ve seen N95s near me is the local hardware store. There haven’t been any anywhere but a week ago I saw a few packets (of 3) in the hardware store. It’s an ACE Hardware. So your friend could try a hardware store near them. Or maybe ACE online? I could go to the hardware store and buy some and ship to you/your friend, assuming the store hasn’t run out – those kinds of things go fast. But I am willing to go. I’ve seen some KN95s there too but I don’t know the difference between the two.
JeanneT
I have to guess that the hospital used the time Trump was at Walter Reed to set up an ICU unit there at the White House. Maybe he’ll have his own personal ventilator and all so he can stay ‘on the job’ even after his O2 level bottoms out….
RaflW
@J R in WV: “Very much like living in a Gibson novel at this point.”
Watching the forest fire smoke accumulating in the valley here, amid the accelerating drumbeat of climate tipping points, and now our denier in chief deciding to say that a virus that has killed 215,000 Americans “isn’t bad” because mid-illness he hasn’t succumbed, and the U.K. continues their own special Brexit-induced spiral, yeah I think Gibson’s jackpot is already under way.
hueyplong
I think I know who really, really hates Trump returning to the White House– every single person who works there. Everyone they encounter may be someone who has tested positive and told to keep that quiet, and Trump is certain to invade people’s protective space because that’s who he is. For a few days/hours he’s going to be all “King Kong ain’t got nothin’ on me.”
JaySinWA
So assuming he doesn’t crash before exiting WR, will he do another death cab for Donnie ride or a Marine 1 exit?
lofgren
Who doesn’t have a friend who was airlifted to a six room suite at the nearest hospital when their COVID was mildly acting up (if the White House can be believed) and immediately received three experimental treatments?
zhena gogolia
@Baud:
He won’t relapse. He’s the Devil.
schrodingers_cat
@cain: He can’t do anything about it. He is stuck with Pence. Like we are stuck with him until the new President takes office.
Kay
Two-thirds of Americans say President Donald Trump handled the risk of coronavirus infection to others around him irresponsibly, according to a new CNN Poll conducted by SSRS in the days following the announcement that the President had contracted the virus that has disrupted everyday life for millions of people for more than half a year.
With Trump hospitalized at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center, 69% of Americans said they trusted little of what they heard from the White House about the President’s health, with only 12% saying they trusted almost all of it.
Disapproval of the President’s handling of the coronavirus outbreak stands at a new high in the survey, with 60% saying they disapprove. Additionally, 63% say his own infection is unlikely to change anything about the way that he handles the pandemic.
Guffaw. It actually got worse when he got sick.
They’re having none of it :)
schrodingers_cat
@zhena gogolia: He is a small man with a fragile ego and now he is sick. He is acting out because that’s all he can do.
Brachiator
@Hoodie:
This is largely correct. From what we’ve been told, the White House includes all kinds of high tech medical equipment, and Trump has round-the-clock access to doctors. Early reports were that Trump could pretty much have received the same treatment he got at Walter Reed had he stayed at the White House.
Also, the bottom line is that Trump would have found the doctor to say what Trump wanted him to say. There is not much point in beating up the doctors over this.
Trump could issue orders to make any facility in which he lives, works and travels safe. It’s on him.
Trump is a stupid man. He does stupid things. There is no practical way to prevent him from continuing to do stupid things.
JaySinWA
@JeanneT: Of course they did not. That would assume a higher level of function than this White House staff has demonstrated to even be capable of planning, much less executing. They might set up an I see you plexiglass panel though.
Ken
I’m trying to imagine casting this in the form of a board or card game. There are several out there using the “one of you is secretly betraying the others” theme, like Werewolf aka Mafia.
Miss Bianca
@Immanentize: Heh. Listening now.
ballerat
@Baud: They should. The should have their careers ruined now.
It is completely irresponsible to release him, both to him, their patient, and to anyone he comes in contact with, and to the public.
“First, do no harm…”. That isn’t what is happening here.
lee
From CNN, the doctor’s statement was his ‘clinical status’ supports him leaving
That means as of right now his status supports him leaving. The doctors might very well expect him to get worse and be back in 48-72 hours but as this very moment he can leave.
Kay
@lofgren:
These people also “check themselves” into hospitals just to be safe. Every ordinary person in the country was thinking “you can DO that?”
Ksmiami
@Baud: No – it’s just that Herman was fine for 5 days needed a little O2 day 12 and died shortly after… Covid has its own timeline for every patient-especially for an old obese man-child
@Ksmiami:
@Baud:
Kay
@lee:
Do you care if he gets horrible politicized hack care from his awful physician? I mean, I don’t.
These are the people he hires. Bad people. He should have gotten a real doctor, right?
Brachiator
@Kay:
The chasm between sane people and Trump supporters is widening.
And this is despite the efforts of Fox News and right wing pundits to paint Trump as some kind of “Dances with Virus” hero.
TaMara (HFG)
If you need a break, Biden is speaking, compassionately. I put up a new post for it.
cckids
Wait . . . he’s going back to the WH so they can pull a Wilson, he’ll still ostensibly be running things, but as that 7-10 day Covid window passes, he sinks into incoherence, and THEN, Javanka takes over.
Jinchi
Why are they releasing Trump from Walter Reed? He is supposed to be in isolation for at least another week, it doesn’t matter how good he feels.
It’s like he realizes that not all of his staff got sick so he’s heading back to finish the job.
Lulymay
@Baud: He will either relapse or else this whole thing has been a giant charade/hoax. I’m thinking he has heart problems and that is why he headed over to the hospital. Thank of how much mileage he can get from that!!!
Ken
@Kay: I don’t imagine many of that 60 to 69% will be hugely impressed with checking out of the hospital early and going back to infect more people at the White House, especially if he ignores the isolation protocols.
TaMara (HFG)
@Brachiator: So close to the 27% crazification factor.
Citizen Alan
@Brachiator: I believe I mentioned the other day that according to Rapture prophecies, the Antichrist will come close to death half way through the 7 year Tribulation only to come back even more powerful and more evil.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Raven: That chopper at it’s current home.
Salty Sam
Don’t know, but I DO know a guy who got pranked by his buddies one night- they crushed a few Skittles (the candy) into powder and laid out a couple of rails for him to snort. OUCH!
HIS nickname from then in was “Skittles”.
Kay
@Ken:
Can you imagine working in that viper pit? They think their coworkers will LIE and infect them.
They richly deserve this toxic work environment. People make decisions. This is the one they made.
John Barleycorn
@Gin & Tonic:
GAMA!
(going against medical advice)
Who else is excited to get some ‘rona to feel young again? I think McConnell and Barr could use some of that. Maybe Justice Thomas who sounds ready to hang up his spurs.
James E Powell
@Brachiator:
The chasm is widening and it is hardening. There is little he can do to change the basic dynamics of the presidential election. The senate is still up for grabs, but it will take some kind of a miracle, must more than a Comey letter, for him to get re-elected.
Aleta
@hueyplong: Yeah, and their family members. Some will vote.
Gravenstone
@Baud: They’ll just say that the patient demanded release (almost certainly true) and they couldn’t stop him. Now, it leaves one to question whether the statement that he might be released “as early as tomorrow ” originated from the medical team or Trump’s…
Mary G
Something that didn’t occur to me, but explains why 6:30. Usually the hospital discharges you when it’s convenient for them.
Kay
@Brachiator:
I think this is really true and I live in a county that went almost 70% for Trump. There’s an awkwardness now – a baffled kind of sympathy, almost. There was a guy in a Trump mask – Trump 2020 – in the hallway at the courthouse today and people were giving him kind of a wide berth. Not me! He had his mask below his nose and I know him slightly so I told him he has to pull it up, which he did immediately. There’s a diagram on the courthouse door! Follow directions, Andrew :)
lee
@Kay: Are these his appointed doctors (like the WH doctor) Or are these just the ones that drew the short straws to treat him?
I honestly don’t know. If they are just the ones at Walter Reed that have normal jobs in addition to having to treat Trump, I actually feel sorry for them. They were fucked the moment he arrived at their doorstep.
Brachiator
@Gin & Tonic:
Trump is a reckless fool. I have no idea what the doctors are supposed to be “responsible” for. Trump supposedly already has the equivalent of a hospital at the White House. What he does after that is on him.
The idea that once Trump enters a hospital he can be restrained for “public health reasons” is an interesting idea, but no one is going to pursue this.
Of course, Congress could quickly impeach him and remove him from office, and then he could be treated as any ordinary citizen.
Salty Sam
@John Revolta: some might say it’s his best…
gwangung
I go to Bonafide Masks for Powecom KN-95s, which are rated for emergency use by medical workers (emergency being medical, hospital use).
If it can hold up for short time emergency use for hospitals, I reckon it’s OK for longer use in substantially less demanding circumstances.
ballerat
@catclub: It was a wildly irresponsible and desperate gamble by Trump. Desperation. He has nothing to lose and all to gain.
He would lose the election if he did what the doctors told him to do. Medical advice is what he’s been ignoring and belittling for the past 9 months. He would look weak and he would surely lose a chunk of his base and then the election.
Between this and how he handled covid I am convinced that to lose the election is worse than death for Trump. He will do anything to win. Anything. Anything to avoid humiliation of the truth of his own empty worthlessness.
If he could have foreign troops deploy here and back him by arms I believe he would do that. If he survives covid he is surely going to try that with his white power militias.
Ken
@hueyplong: Sounds very “Solomon Grundy” – the nursery rhyme, not the Batman villain. Maybe we’ll see one for Trump?
Donald Trump
Diagnosed on Thursday
Admitted on Friday
Worse on Saturday
Touring on Sunday
Released on Monday
…?
Brachiator
@James E Powell:
The signs look good and I certainly hope that Trump is defeated, but I am hoping that the outcome is so definitive that it will blunt Trump’s inevitable attempts to challenge the election result.
Another Scott
@Chetan Murthy: https://www.mcmaster.com/5450T35/
Pack of 10.
“Ships in 2-3 weeks”
Just about everything else I checked there is not available to order (though they do seem to have some N99 available to order).
The fact that we’re 10 months into this thing and still don’t have enough PPE is a crime. Grrr….
Good luck.
Cheers,
Scott.
zhena gogolia
I still don’t believe he ever had it.
Taxes, bad debate, Guilfoyle, Melania tape —- COVID! IT’S LIKE A MIRACLE! Nobody’s talking about taxes and Melania saying fuck Christmas!
I said this to some friends at (Zoom) lunch (since I can’t see any of my friends in person any more), and they said, “Melania tape? What are you talking about?” Mission accomplished.
Salty Sam
@rk: if it helps your decision, I’m flying back to Texas from Puerto Rico to vote early/in-person. I finally received ny absentee ballot last week, but I don’t trust that my vote won’t be rejected. I guess “traveling while pandemic rages” is just a different version of “crawling over crushed glass”.
misterpuff
The King Must Die.
Ooh, Deep Cut!
Jinchi
They’re responsible for giving him cover by saying it’s safe for him to return home. His home is the White House, he is not heading to a private residence surrounded only by immediate family. The headlines should be “Doctors say Trump needs to remain in isolation for another 10 days”, because I honestly don’t care if it’s safe “for him”. I care that he is clearly going to expose more people to the virus.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@TaMara (HFG):
It’s impressive how over the last week, the Crazification Factor has some up time and time again.
debbie
May his crash be hard and frightening.
WaterGirl
@Gvg: I believe they could say: The patient is checking himself out Against Medical Advice.”
Brachiator
@Jinchi:
I have no idea what the doctors are supposed to be “responsible” for.
Trump has the equivalent of a hospital at the White House and can be as isolated as he wants to be. Or not.
His setup at Walter Reed provided him with a working office, and he could invite people in. He was not isolated during his treatment.
Trump is insistent on being reckless and setting a bad example. Trump. He is not going to change or become reasonable and no one can make him be reasonable.
debbie
@Chetan Murthy:
unitedmedicalsupply.com is where I’ve been going for masks. They were pretty overwhelmed at the beginning but are pretty speedy now. They do run out of stock. I can’t blame them for that. They seem to be out of N95s right now, but they do have KN95s which might work for your mother’s friend.
Captain C
@Brachiator: Exactly. How can they tell the difference?
Jeffro
@Ilieitz: been praying for that for about, oh, four years now…
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus: As long as that’s all they say, I would think yes. But if I stood on a HIPAA manual, I would be several inches taller than I am right now, so who knows?
debbie
@zhena gogolia:
I too still have my doubts. Odds are pretty good there will be a leak soon about this.
WaterGirl
@Splitting Image: If Trump dies before Nov 3, it’s pure chaos. We think it’s chaos now? Multiply that by a hundred.
Aleta
@misterpuff:
This lazy life is short
Something for nothing always ending
With a bad report
I understand I’m on the road
Where all that was is gone
So where to now
sdhays
@zhena gogolia: Are they faking all these other people testing positive?
I have no idea what his current status is, but I think it’s pretty clear he did in fact contract COVID-19. And the fact is, COVID is exactly what Dump doesn’t want to have the country talking about. It’s a total loser for him.
I think he’d rather be warring with the media over their nasty “stealing” of his tax returns and “betrayal” by Melanie’s “friend” than talking about how he’s so utterly incompetent and recklessly indifferent that he couldn’t even protect himself and the people around him from COVID-19. That was tanking him in the first place. So he focuses EVERYTHING on his handling of COVID? I don’t think so.
He’s stupid, but not stupid in that way.
ballerat
@Sloane Ranger: If Trump’s actually covid-free by then he will make sure someone else with covid is there.
After the reckless and criminal disregard for others he showed by his little ride around the hospital and now with his release, does it now seem less plausible or more plausible that he would do such a thing? Of course he would.
Does it now seem less plausible or more plausible he intentionally brought his covid infection to the last week’s debate? But of course he did.
He’s desperate. He’d do it. We haven’t seen the bottom yet.
beth
@Chetan Murthy: I got some online from Kurent Safety – a company in Illinois fairly recently. Don’t know if they still have them but it’s worth a shot.
The Moar You Know
I no longer believe he was sick at all. I flat out just cannot believe that a 74 year old man who’s supposedly had COVID for at least five days, is supposedly crashing out from low O2 sat, and supposedly needs every drug in the very limited toolbox we have for this shit can just waltz out of the hospital 24 hours later and “it’s all good, I beat COVID, lolz”. He wasn’t sick. There is no other explanation. I don’t think any of the “Supreme Court super spreaders” are sick. Not a one.
zhena gogolia
@sdhays:
The Barrett event was a superspreader. It didn’t have to involve Trump.
He doesn’t think more than 5 minutes ahead. When that Melania tape broke, he was desperate to do something to distract from it.
geg6
@mali muso:
Cast of (This Is) Spinal Tap is doing a read to benefit the PA Democratic Party on 10/14. Spurred me to donate one more time. That’s my second favorite movie of all time.
ballerat
@schrodingers_cat: They’re corrupt. Or evangelicals. They want this.
sdhays
@WaterGirl: Just if he becomes incapacitated it’s going to be crazy. I was just wondering last night what would even happen with the debates in that scenario. Does Mike Dense try to debate Biden in Dump’s place?
Anyway, I hope Kamala is able to bring up how Dense leads the COVID task force at every opportunity and thus tying this whole disaster directly to his utter incompetence.
ballerat
@ballerat: Nothing says they can’t be both, of course.
Jeffro
@Kay: the guy’s been lying constantly to the American public for five straight years (ok longer, you get my point ;) and has been lying about a deadly virus since January.
Pundits, armchair pundits, Tweet-ers, they’re all over-thinking it: he is not coming back from this electorally speaking. The anti-trumpov vote is baked. in.
no comment
@Chetan Murthy:
Stephanie Miller advertises the New Deal Shop KN95 masks. FDA authorized, etc. The site also sells surgical masks & other products.
Keep in mind that whichever mask she uses (not the face shield, unless it is in addition to another mask), the fit needs to be snug. Otherwise she will just be breathing in unfiltered air from around the edges of the mask.
brantl
@Sloane Ranger: Biden should go to the debates in an N99 mask. When DStump says Biden’s cowardly, Biden should just say, “My mom didn’t raise any dumb kids, unlike yours.” .
Hoodie
@The Moar You Know: That would be one hell of a conspiracy, because it would have to involve a bunch of people known to leak like a sieve and a medical team including the consulting pulmonologists, one whom is head of the biocontainment facility at Johns Hopkins. He has Covid, he’s just jacked up on dex and in the lull between the initial infection and the possible cytokine storm. He may or may not spiral back down over the next week, but he can do that at the WH as well as anywhere. Knowing his personality, Walter Reed may be glad to be rid of him because he probably has been a complete pain in the ass.
ballerat
@ballerat: Or what @Betty Cracker said before me.
Geminid
There will be at least two good Senate debates this week. Mark Kelly and Senator Martha McSally (R-AZ) tangle tomorrow night. And on Friday, M.J. Hegar and John Cornyn face each other. I’d cook popcorn for the Hegar/Cornyn debate, if I could watch it. I might cook some anyway, in Hegar’s honor. And the Missoulian Current says the Steve Bullock/Steve Daines (R-MT) race is tightening. Former Republican Montana governor Marc Racicot has announced that he will vote for Biden.
Almost Retired
To be fair, most of us would feel better than we did 20 years ago if we were on some really great drugs.
brantl
@cain: these are military doctors, all directly in DStump’s chain of command. Nobody’s going to ask them what their opinions were, just what they were ordered.
misterpuff
@Aleta:
St. Peter
It’s On Now:
Once a fool had a good part in the play
If it’s so would I still be here today
It’s quite peculiar in a funny sort of way
They think it’s very funny everything I say
Get a load of him, he’s so insane
You better get your coat dear
It looks like rain, yeah
joel hanes
@WaterGirl:
I believe they could say: The patient is checking himself out Against Medical Advice.”
I believe it’s been made clear to them that if they say that out loud, it’s an immediate end to their military career.
Walter Reed is a military hospital.
Trump is the commander in chief. They’re not going to gainsay him while he’s President.
Doctors at a civilian hospital might not be so easy to intimidate.
Searcher
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: The justice system exists because karma doesn’t.
Another Scott
ICYMI, video of Donnie leaving the hospital…
Cheers,
Scott.
Searcher
Trump’s doctors: “Stop. Don’t. Come Back.”
joel hanes
@Hoodie:
This.
He’s got it, he was fairly sick, dex has made him feel wonderful, but even at Walter Reed where he can give orders he was feeling too constrained. (I’d guess that he found nurses intolerably bossy).
In the White House, no one can tell him anything. He’ll order Atlas to get him a supply of dex. He’ll self-medicate when he crashes. He’ll eat what he wants.
WhatsMyNym
@Chetan Murthy: I’ve been using United Medical Supply (now unitedmedicalmasks dot com) as well. I would think the KN95 masks would be fine in a non-medical situation. KN95 is the Chinese standard and not generally accepted without extra testing here for medical use.
Eta: for their N95 they say “Reserved for healthcare professionals. Must provide verification to purchase” and are sold-out anyway.
ballerat
He knows it is highly infectious and it can kill. He will try to expose as many Dems as possible, esp. Biden.
This idea that he’s clueless but not malevolent and therefore only republican Senators will be exposed is wrong.
He’s not just a reckless and irresponsible dumbshit. He’s also a mass murderer. He’s been using this virus to kill people he doesn’t like. And he doesn’t care if in the process it kills a bunch of his own people — that’s loyalty to him, which is his power over them, and that’s a rush too.
Now he can wield the infection vector personally.
Ruckus
@schrodingers_cat:
Because the men whose job we think it is to stand up to him work for him. They can loose their livelihoods and careers, that they worked hard for. It’s not just standing up to a bully, it’s standing up to a bully who has them by the balls, figuratively of course. And that won’t make any difference because in this instance they have almost no power to stop or give him the help he truly needs, which is a jacket with wrap around sleeves and a bedroom with padded walls.
sdhays
@Another Scott: LOL. The smile doesn’t fit, but otherwise it’s spot-on.
Aleta
@misterpuff: oh good one
cain
I will declare Christianity dead if evangelicals start talking about how he died for our sins.
lee
@Geminid:
While I’ll vote for Hegar, some of her interviews have been less than stellar. It’s understandable as she’s a novice. I just hope she has been working debate prep every day.
sdhays
@lee: She should also be studying the master class that Jaimie Harrison performed Saturday against Leningrad Lindsey.
joel hanes
Re: N95 masks
There are clickbait ads for these in the newsletter email I get from my hometown newspaper
https://n95maskco.com/collections/n95-masks-1
Their Respokare[TM] variety has metal threads, alleged to kill bacteria and virus
https://n95maskco.com/collections/n95-masks
They say they are in stock and shipping.
They also have KN95s if you explore the site a little.
laura
@Chetan Murthy: go to Amazon or the website below and buy Air Queen masks! They are fantastic- https://airqueenus.com/collections/frontpage/products/air-queen-nano-mask-10-pieces.
My Union’s international shipped a pallet to our office and I liked them so much I bought a bunch for family and friends. Protection comfort lightweight- and the fit is phenomenal. I would not lie and am not exaggerating. If you really want to amp up the safety, add a face shield on top for eye protection.
A Ghost to Most
@Brachiator: Nah. They’ll forget him and appoint a new Maximum Asshole, likely Tom Cotton.
This movement preceded t**, and it will outlast him.
cain
Nobody has forgotten about the taxes. Reporters are definitely pouring over it and making connections. There is a wide number of stories there.
JanieM
@joel hanes:
Maybe not, if he was their patient. Then again, neither the Cleveland Clinic nor the Mayo Clinic enforced their mask rules on these assholes.
sdhays
@cain: He’s definitely stupid enough to do something stupid just to get that out of the news for a few days, but it seems to me that there’s a long list of horrible things he could have chosen to try before he would have allowed it to be suggested that he was COVID-positive and especially COVID-positive that involved spending the weekend in the hospital.
It fits pretty well with what we know and specifically know about him that he’s feeling ok now and doesn’t give a shit about anyone else, so he’s leaving the hospital because he’s not enough the center of attention, not because any of his doctors, even the hack, suggested that it was a good idea.
Ruckus
@Betty Cracker:
His ego will not be the only thing. He’d be better off if he signed a 25 and had dense pardon him. He’d still get the medical care, he’d still be liable for the state charges and he’d likely die at the same time. But that requires a thought processing ability that if he had, he wouldn’t be here today. IOW actual intelligence instead of being a total reactionary. And a moron.
WaterGirl
@joel hanes: Well, in any case…
It’s time for Dr. Fauci to publicly state that anyone who has been around a person who has tested positive should quarantine for 14 days. Whether they are a politician or not.
Roger Moore
@WaterGirl:
Real chaos is if he dies after election day but his campaign is still trying to steal it by stopping the count.
Ruckus
@JanieM:
Yep. I’ve lost all respect for either Cleveland and Mayo clinics. Inbetween what looked like a rock/hard place when it was actually jelly/nothing, they took the low road.
Scout211
CNN is reporting that Pence and Harris will be separated by 12 feet and plexiglass.
NeenerNeener
@Chetan Murthy:
https://www.cov.care/3m-8511-n95-niosh?utm_campaign=CovCare+-+3M+8511+N95+%5Bwww.Cov.Care%5D&utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=ppc&utm_term=%2B3m%20%2B8511%20%2Bcase&hsa_acc=6840094441&hsa_cam=11152902371&hsa_ver=3&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_src=d&hsa_tgt=kwd-405042139177&hsa_grp=112110125169&hsa_ad=466217541063&hsa_kw=%2B3m%20%2B8511%20%2Bcase&hsa_mt=&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI-rbK8P2a7AIV2siGCh2R-gqMEAEYASAAEgIjW_D_BwE
Geminid
@lee: I hope you fill us in on your debate take. I’m following the race from 1200 miles away in Virginia, and you are watching from close up. I just wish they could decide the contest with an arm wrestling match, two out of three. Bowie knives would be very Texan in a retro way, but a little extreme even for 2020.
trollhattan
When did he last call Biden “Sleepy Joe?” When will he next do it? It’s been a great strategy so far.
Bill Arnold
@Hoodie:
He was also given a quadruple dose of the Regeneron antibody cocktail. If it works as they believe from the trials done so far, then it probably made a difference. Basically his body got a dose of antibodies earlier than usual in the infection sequence.
Since he has probably been infected since the previous weekend (maybe longer), it is possible that the virus did some permanent damage, well certainly a bit to the lungs, but maybe also to the heart and brain and perhaps other organs.
Brachiator
just heard a CBS news radio story noting that many White House staffers are in quarantine or working from home.
Too bad that many of Trump supporters will not take the hint and do more to protect themselves and others.
WaterGirl
With Trump out of the hospital, Biden can start hitting him with ads again, right?
WhatsMyNym
Article about buying N95 & KN95 masks on SFGate Your guide to purchasing KN95 and NIOSH-approved N95 masks
SFGate is the Hearst Newspapers’ San Francisco news website
pat
@Baud:
As they should. Even if he does not relapse, this whole shit-show should get responsible doctors signing letters all over the place.
Roger Moore
@The Moar You Know:
Yes there is, and it’s a simple one: he’s high as a kite on all the stuff the doctors gave him. He’s taking a bunch of stuff that makes him feel better, and that- together with his natural belief in his own amazingness- makes him think he’s miraculously recovered.
CCL
@Comrade Colette Collaboratrice:
Right now at 6:12 pm Eastern, it’s at 6,996,300,xxx and flipping faster than I can type.
Chris Johnson
“The wind does not respect a fool.”
PPCLI
@cain: Especially the over $400 million in debt. It could be rhetorically very effective to hammer home the question “Who do you owe that to? Should anyone, or any business, or (archly) any country have that kind of leverage over an American president?”
Ruckus
@The Moar You Know:
That’s what the dex does. It gets you high while the steroid has an opportunity to let the body possibly work. It has drawbacks. Boy does it have drawbacks. There is a reason it’s a last resort sort of thing. First it fools you by getting you high, blocking the crap feeling that’s still happening to you. Second it fools the body to a degree as well because sometimes the body’s response to some invader, like Covid, is too massive for a person to survive what it takes to overcome the invader. Think of cancer treatments, medicines or radiation, they tear your ass up because they hopefully stop cancer cell reproduction without doing too much damage to the cells you want. But they do damage to cells, cancerous and non cancerous, just hopefully less to the non cancerous cells. And it works because the reproductive rate of cancer cells is faster than your normal cells. The more aggressive the cancer/Covid is to any particular body and the more closely the treatment fits to your particular health needs, the better/worse the outcome will be. This may be one reason most but not all older people have a more difficult time with the virus and die at a higher rate, their bodies no longer repair themselves as well, their defenses are weaker, their cellular reproductive rate is slower and weaker.
A Ghost to Most
@The Moar You Know: Nope. I’m convinced they ALL knew they were all infected at the debate. They arrived too late to get tested, and tried to spread it around by refusing masks. Their timeline is shit.
Ruckus
@Roger Moore:
And he may have/will. But it’s highly, highly unlikely.
We will just have to wait and see. Shouldn’t be that long a wait.
J R in WV
@Ken:
You are absolutely correct, Charlie Stross and his Laundry series. I have trouble with names of authors and band members, they come to me hours later, sometimes.
Thanks for giving Charlie Stross his due — such a great series of fantasy/intel spook books, I love them. The protagonist (1) was a math whiz, his wife (protagonist(2)) plays a violin made of enchanted human bone. Trying wildly to stave off the end of our universe from attack from creatures from other, really terrible universes. Great drama, good characterization, interesting plots.
no comment
@Ken:
I played a few Werewolf/Mafia games online where there was a small group of mafia members instead of a lone one. The bad guys got their own private message board to plot against the other players, while the good guys were flying blind unless they happened to be assigned a special power by the person running the game.
I thought about hosting my own themed game once, but I don’t know enough balancing the teams & powers given so that one team isn’t favored to win over the other.
A White House Covid theme is intriguing. I’m assuming you’d have the bad guys be Covid + ? And involuntary recruitment with a low chance of working?
You usually have a Doctor in the game, but the Doc’s role is to protect a player from a mafia kill, not tell if they are mafia. You could have have the Doc protect from a kill, and a Blocker (Face Mask?) prevent recruitment. The Detective (with high or 100% accuracy) would be a Covid PCR Tester. If you had enough players, you could also have a Rapid Covid Tester that gives false negatives 50% or so of the time. The Tracker would be a Covid Contact Tracer.
If the mafia members have any special power to block an investigation, you could call it Executive Privilege.
Gvg
@Another Scott: those have the valve so they are useless as a virus mask. I’ve already made that mistake, so be warned.
I’m going to try and seal the valves with plastic so I can use them.
J R in WV
@cain:
He can’t “fire” Pence under any circumstances. The congress can impeach Pence, but Trump can’t persuade Pelosi to go along with that. I doubt the Senate could get 66 votes either.
Trump picked Pence, but Pence won election right there with Trump, they are stuck with each other, Darn it!
Ruckus
@Another Scott:
Have been a customer of theirs for 35 yrs. McMaster is good. But they’ve been out of masks for months now, probably for at least 8 or 9.
Gvg
@joel hanes: did you happen to look at their prices? Those are ripoffs.also I don’t trust something lab.ed NIOSH style.
RSA
@Paul W.:
Not to mention brain fog.
artem1s
anyone know what will happen when he comes down from the steroid high? I’ve been wondering if he’s also desperate to get back to his self-medication regimen. Doctors telling the public half truths about a patient’s condition and administering speed in addition to the other experimental drugs are two different things. I have a hard time believing he wasn’t coming down off the Adderall, feeling completely like crap and then started flying once the steroids kicked in. Of course he feels great. Question is how long will that high last and will they keep giving it to him once he’s out of WR?
Another Scott
@Gvg: Good point. I didn’t check closely enough – some of their N95 have valves and some don’t.
Thanks.
Cheers,
Scott.
WaterGirl
@artem1s: I have wondered something similar – do the doctors at Walter Reed know about all the self-medicating Trump does, and could there be potential interactions because they don’t know what he’s taking.
If they were smart, the first thing they did was run a blood test to see what drugs he had in his bloodstream.
frosty
@Ruckus: Nice summary …. but you’re a machinist! We’re all learning a lot more biology and epidemiology than we’d planned for.
Tehanu
@Gvg: They can’t keep him in the hospital if he doesn’t want to stay there — I believe any patient has the right to refuse treatment — so the only thing I would fault the doctors for is, not being able to convince a raging egotist/asshole that he could be wrong about anything. Personally, the farther he gets from real medical treatment, the happier I am. The Republicans have the unutterable gall to get all pious about wishing this abusive monster well? Fuck their feelings.