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You are here: Home / Civil Rights / Criminal Justice / Thursday Evening Open Thread: All Credit to Rep. Deming

Thursday Evening Open Thread: All Credit to Rep. Deming

by Anne Laurie|  April 22, 20215:14 pm| 124 Comments

This post is in: Criminal Justice, Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat, Republican Stupidity

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Gym Jordan is the new social-media poster boy for ‘f*cked around, found out’. Per the Washington Post:

Rep. Val Demings (D-Fla.) was midway through an impassioned speech on Tuesday accusing Republicans of using police officers as “pawns” in their efforts to amend a hate-crime bill when Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) interrupted to object.

“I have the floor, Mr. Jordan,” Demings exclaimed, banging her open palm on the table. “Did I strike a nerve?”

Demings, who spent 27 years with the Orlando Police Department, heatedly accused Jordan of ignorance about law enforcement, sparking a shouting match with the Republican…

Tuesday’s argument came during a debate over another piece of legislation, the Covid-19 Hate Crime Act, which seeks to address a surge in racist attacks against Asian Americans in part by providing funding to law enforcement agencies to respond to hate crimes…

(Committee Chair) Nadler told Jordan he “must not interrupt someone who has the time” and he “simply can’t shout out” if he disagrees — a habit that has often left Jordan in conflict with Democrats, including during a hearing last week where he spoke over other lawmakers in a coronavirus hearing.

Demings then shot back at Jordan, saying, “Mr. Jordan you don’t know what the heck you’re talking about.”

“I know about my motive,” Jordan said…

We all know about your motive, Gym.

After Nadler restored order, Demings accused Republicans of hypocrisy over the Capitol riot on Jan. 6, when police officers were “fighting for their lives because of the big lie that was told,” referring to Donald Trump’s false accusations of a stolen election…

Jordan, an outspoken Trump loyalist, was among several Republicans who supported the former president’s claims.

“My colleagues on the other side of the aisle were silent,” she continued. “As one person after another person took the microphone and said, ’Go down there and engage in combat,’ ‘fight like hell.’ They used the bicycle racks as deadly missiles against the law enforcement officers that you all say you care about so much.”

It's interesting to see my colleagues on the other side of the aisle support the police when it's politically convenient to do so, but not when police officers who protect us every day here at the Capitol were fighting for their lives because of the Big Lie. @HouseJudiciary pic.twitter.com/x9i9LO5AAi

— Rep. Val Demings (@RepValDemings) April 20, 2021

Thursday Evening Open Thread:  All Credit to Rep. Deming

(Clay Jones via GoComics.com)
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124Comments

  1. 1.

    cain

    April 22, 2021 at 5:18 pm

    We have to continue to pound this into these vile people. Jim Jordan is a piece of shit and I hope a skeleton or two comes out of his closet that we can lambast him with. Not that he’ll quit he has no shame. He could be doing the most vile things and he’ll never leave.

     

    ETA I was gracious and let #2 for someone else. Yay me.

  2. 2.

    Ben Cisco

    April 22, 2021 at 5:19 pm

    Mother of Draggins.

  3. 3.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    April 22, 2021 at 5:19 pm

    “I know about my motive,” Jordan said…

    I can’t figure out what this is supposed to mean. Also, fuck Gym Jordan, another Republican disgrace from Ohio I’m ashamed of

  4. 4.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    April 22, 2021 at 5:20 pm

    When I saw that “Did I strike a nerve?” quote, I assumed someone had brought up the Ohio State wrestling team.

  5. 5.

    Old School

    April 22, 2021 at 5:23 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):

    I can’t figure out what this is supposed to mean.

    Rep. Demings said Republicans only support police when politically convenient.

  6. 6.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    April 22, 2021 at 5:24 pm

    Politico Warning: ‘The Supreme Court ruled in favor of scam artists,’ FTC chief says after justices gut agency’s powers

    In a 9-0 ruling, the justices said the Federal Trade Commission cannot force companies that engage in wrongdoing to pay restitution to consumers.

    The Federal Trade Commission can’t force companies that engage in wrongdoing to pay back consumers or give up ill-gotten profit, the Supreme Court held Thursday, dealing a huge blow to the agency that could hamper its antitrust and privacy cases.

    The FTC’s authority under a provision known as Section 13(b) is limited to seeking an injunction to stop illegal actions and doesn’t authorize it to seek monetary remedies like restitution, Justice Stephen Breyer wrote for the unanimous court.

    Section “13(b) as currently written does not grant the Commission authority to obtain equitable monetary relief,” Breyer wrote, noting that the FTC can seek restitution under other provisions of the law. “If the Commission believes that authority too cumbersome or otherwise inadequate, it is, of course, free to ask Congress to grant it further remedial authority.”

    Acting FTC Chair Rebecca Kelly Slaughter slammed the ruling, saying it deprived the FTC of its strongest tool to help consumers.

    “The Supreme Court ruled in favor of scam artists and dishonest corporations, leaving average Americans to pay for illegal behavior,” she said. “We urge Congress to act swiftly to restore and strengthen the powers of the agency so we can make wronged consumers whole.”

    Congressional response: FTC leaders had already warned that consumers would be the ones to suffer if the Supreme Court rolled back the agency’s ability to seek monetary penalties.

    “Enforcement actions will slow and redress for consumers will dry up if Congress does not act quickly to affirm our full authority under 13(b),” Slaughter said at a Senate hearing Tuesday.

    Congress is already considering legislation to remedy the Supreme Court decision. The House Energy and Commerce Committee has scheduled a hearing for next week on whether the FTC needs new authority to seek consumer redress. The Supreme Court case was also a key topic at an FTC oversight hearing in the Senate this week.

    “We have to do everything we can to protect this authority and if necessary pass new legislation to do so,” Senate Commerce Chair Maria Cantwell (D-Wash.) said at the same Tuesday hearing.

  7. 7.

    Ben Cisco

    April 22, 2021 at 5:24 pm

    I’m way ready for 1/6 to be fully adjudicated, particularly regards to the aiding and abetting from GQP Reps. I know the cases are getting worked, and there will be no “bi-partisan commission” – nor SHOULD there be. Let a competent DOJ handle it.

  8. 8.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    April 22, 2021 at 5:27 pm

    @Old School:

    Oh, that makes sense. Still, it was weird way to say it imo from Jordan

  9. 9.

    Ben Cisco

    April 22, 2021 at 5:28 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
     

    “Enforcement actions will slow and redress for consumers will dry up if Congress does not act quickly to affirm our full authority under 13(b),” Slaughter said at a Senate hearing Tuesday.
    Congress is already considering legislation to remedy the Supreme Court decision. The House Energy and Commerce Committee has scheduled a hearing for next week on whether the FTC needs new authority to seek consumer redress.

    In light of the bolded (mine) text above, I’ll forgo the traditional running around with hair on fire.

  10. 10.

    Gravenstone

    April 22, 2021 at 5:30 pm

    I will once again advocate for fitting Jordan with a shock collar. Next time he pops off out of turn, let the committee chair zap his ass.

  11. 11.

    MisterForkbeard

    April 22, 2021 at 5:30 pm

    @cain:
    Jim Jordan is a piece of shit and I hope a skeleton or two comes out of his closet that we can lambast him with.

    This happened already. He was repeatedly told that a co-worker was molesting teenage boys by those victimized boys and he laughed it off, leaving them to continue to be molested.

    Republicans don’t care.

  12. 12.

    trollhattan

    April 22, 2021 at 5:31 pm

    Meanwhile

    The Senate passed with a wide bipartisan majority Thursday a bill denouncing discrimination against Asian communities in the United States, CNN reports.

    The vote was 94-1. The lone vote in opposition was from [wait for it…] Sen. Josh Hawley (R-MO).

    He’s definitely running for president.

  13. 13.

    germy

    April 22, 2021 at 5:34 pm

    Here’s another guy who got interrupted by republicans:

    .@RepMondaire: "One of my House Republican colleagues said that DC shouldn't be a state because the District doesn't have a landfill. My goodness, with all the racist trash my colleagues have brought to this debate I can see why they're worried about having a place to put it." pic.twitter.com/EnbQLBfPgN— CSPAN (@cspan) April 22, 2021

  14. 14.

    laura

    April 22, 2021 at 5:35 pm

    @cain: Rest assured that Gym Jordan’s laundry is about to get aired. George Clooney is currently working on a limited series about the sex pestery at the OSU and Gym’s role as Chief Looker Awayer while students were sexually assaulted and raped by a well regarded serial sexual abuser. So there’s that

    Shiny nickel wager that Gymbo took a look see at Gaetz’ sex pics.

  15. 15.

    Amir Khalid

    April 22, 2021 at 5:41 pm

    Jordan makes a habit of throwing tantrums like this. Can’t they put him in time-out or something?

  16. 16.

    debbie

    April 22, 2021 at 5:44 pm

    Speaking of, what’s Rudy been up to lately?

  17. 17.

    artem1s

    April 22, 2021 at 5:54 pm

    @germy:

    DC shouldn’t be a state because the District doesn’t have a landfill.

    seriously. What.the.actual.fuck!?  these people are nuts.

  18. 18.

    HumboldtBlue

    April 22, 2021 at 5:54 pm

    Rep. Moindaire Jones (D-NY) got the asshole racists angry by pointing out that they are asshole racists.

    I see I was beaten to Mondaire Jones.

    OK, here’s a goddamn dog who won a high school girls track relay race then you jerks.

  19. 19.

    Ben Cisco

    April 22, 2021 at 5:54 pm

    @Amir Khalid: It’s all performative – get video of a shouting match, preferably with someone of color, then go boo-hooing to the rubes to bilk them of their money.

    They are so predictable…

  20. 20.

    Geminid

    April 22, 2021 at 5:55 pm

    @Ben Cisco: We will learn a lot about the January 6 insurrection from the Justice Department’s criminal prosecutions. There will be civil lawsuits by those injured also, with discovery and depositions. Some of these may develop information that can be referred to federal prosecutors.

    Investigations and hearings by standing Congressional commitees will be another source of information about the planning and execution of the insurrection. Journalists will also contribute plenty to public knowledge. So while a joint congressional commission would have been a good thing, I don’t think it is essential. It would have taken most of a year, maybe more, to come up with a report anyway

  21. 21.

    guachi

    April 22, 2021 at 5:57 pm

    Old English lulz from Alexandra Petri in WaPo

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/04/19/real-anglo-saxon-america-first-caucus-marjorie-taylor-greene/

  22. 22.

    Baud

    April 22, 2021 at 5:57 pm

    @Geminid: 

    We would never have found Republicans we could trust to be on the committee.

  23. 23.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    April 22, 2021 at 6:01 pm

    @Baud: people in the media always held up the 9/11 Commission as an example. My memory’s taken a beating in the meantime, but I remember the 9/11 Commission as being at least a grey-wash.

    I can’t remember now which Republican member was designated to throw a tantrum at Richard Clarke, but Clarke just watched him impassively while he asked his “question” and replied, deadpan, “Hi, John”

  24. 24.

    cain

    April 22, 2021 at 6:03 pm

    @laura: 

    Shiny nickel wager that Gymbo took a look see at Gaetz’ sex pics.

    You can bet that he partook in Gaetz’s photo session. He’s not dumb enough to do the prostitute thing but I’m sure he thinks about it.

  25. 25.

    Beatrice

    April 22, 2021 at 6:05 pm

    @cain: yep complete and total a-hole

  26. 26.

    trollhattan

    April 22, 2021 at 6:14 pm

    @artem1s:

    Rich people pay good money to haul their garbage off to adjacent, poor states. That’s how it’s done, losers (and I’ll bet garbage haulers pay good money to Republicans to keep the scheme going).

  27. 27.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    April 22, 2021 at 6:15 pm

    @Ben Cisco:

    For sure. Hopefully the Republicans go along with this effort and don’t try to obstruct

  28. 28.

    SiubhanDuinne

    April 22, 2021 at 6:15 pm

    @cain:

    ETA I was gracious and let #2 for someone else. Yay me.

    You give and you give and you GIVE, but do you ever get any thanks? Of course not.

  29. 29.

    eclare

    April 22, 2021 at 6:15 pm

    @HumboldtBlue:  That race was great!  Four legs always beat two!

  30. 30.

    Jeffro

    April 22, 2021 at 6:15 pm

    Starting to see some Dem activists here and there talking about Psycho Grossman, the police “trainer” Adam noted in his last post.  GOOD.

    Also, screw the Rs on the 1/6 commission: if they don’t want to play ball (and they don’t) then we should just pursue it through Congressional hearings, DOJ, and more.  I saw that DOJ’s looking at arresting another 100+ insurrectionists and that this may be the biggest legal case (by whatever measure) in American history.  Also GOOD.  Let these trials continue and continue publicly for all the years President Biden and VP Harris are in office.

  31. 31.

    burnspbesq

    April 22, 2021 at 6:16 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):

    Decision is undoubtedly correct. However, it’s a matter of statutory interpretation, not constitutional law. If Congress wants the FTC to have those powers, its ability to grant them is undisputed.

  32. 32.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    April 22, 2021 at 6:18 pm

    @Baud:

    Right. They were pretty much involved in spreading the Big Lie, even if they were silent.

  33. 33.

    craigie

    April 22, 2021 at 6:18 pm

    @artem1s:

    To be fair, several of the redder states are nothing but landfills.

  34. 34.

    burnspbesq

    April 22, 2021 at 6:19 pm

    They have a perfect site for one: 310 First St., S.E.

  35. 35.

    rikyrah

    April 22, 2021 at 6:21 pm

     

    Ronald Klain (@WHCOS) Tweeted:
    90% of the jobs created by the American Jobs Plan do not require a four-year degree.

    https://t.co/018dbOpWMD https://twitter.com/WHCOS/status/1385333244825014272?s=20

  36. 36.

    cain

    April 22, 2021 at 6:24 pm

    I love the end of that video where Claire McCaskill asked if Demings will be called Senator Demings – that was a pretty good pitch. Demings was a bit taking aback by that.. but loved it.

  37. 37.

    WaterGirl

    April 22, 2021 at 6:24 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: You have been stickered.  Congratulations!

  38. 38.

    Jeffro

    April 22, 2021 at 6:24 pm

    Btw this is quite funny (and would point out nicely just how stupid our friends the economic terrorists/GQP really are):

    Republicans Are Planning On Using Economic Blackmail.  Here’s How To Stop Them.

    …worst of all for Republicans, a Democratic president and Congress are no longer intimidated by talk of rising debt, no longer cowed into accepting austerity policies. President Biden is ignoring the deficit and riding high in the polls.

    So what are they to do? Some of them are contemplating an economic suicide bombing, in the form of a refusal to raise the debt ceiling…

    there are two ways Democrats can take care of this problem. The first is simply to write the debt ceiling out of U.S. law. Nothing about our budget will change. It won’t mean more spending or more debt, it will just mean that neither party will be able to threaten a global economic crisis to get what they want.

    If they feel that goes too far, there’s another option: Keep the debt ceiling, but make this the last time they have to vote on it. They could raise the ceiling by, let’s say, 50 quadrillion dollars. It would still be on the books, but it would be high enough that we’d never have to worry about it again.

    L to the OL

  39. 39.

    NotMax

    April 22, 2021 at 6:26 pm

    FYI for members of House Windows.

    News about news. It may already have appeared for some of you. Sooner of later if will for the rest.

    If you’re also a member of the not appreciative of yet more no way to refuse it stuff always running and sniffing the web camp, how to disable it.

  40. 40.

    SiubhanDuinne

    April 22, 2021 at 6:28 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Ooh, I’ll go check! Thanks!

  41. 41.

    Anoniminous

    April 22, 2021 at 6:30 pm

    NIH will resume funding research using fetal tissue after the Biden Administration lifted a ban and eliminated a Trump mandated “Review Board” consisting of ignorant hick religious wackos and Conservatives.

  42. 42.

    Brachiator

    April 22, 2021 at 6:31 pm

    @guachi:

    Old English lulz from Alexandra Petri in WaPo

    I loved this part:

    We must make America Geat again!

  43. 43.

    SiubhanDuinne

    April 22, 2021 at 6:32 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Thanks again! I love that you also gave me Tony, Nancy SMASH!!, Uncle Joe, Madam Vice President, and the amazing Dolly. What a great lagniappe.

  44. 44.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    April 22, 2021 at 6:32 pm

    @Jeffro:

    Dooooo ittttt

  45. 45.

    jeffreyw

    April 22, 2021 at 6:34 pm

    The republicans pitched a fit during the 9/11 hearings because they were in charge when the planes hit and they didn’t want to accept any of the blame.  Can you imagine them playing a constructive role in investigating the insurrection – when they were the ones who, so to speak, flew the plane into the capitol building?

  46. 46.

    SiubhanDuinne

    April 22, 2021 at 6:34 pm

    @Brachiator:

    We must make America Geat again!

    That almost made me spit out my mead adult beverage.

  47. 47.

    NotMax

    April 22, 2021 at 6:37 pm

    Doesn’t take Kreskin to foretell where this will lead.

    Oklahoma Gov. Kevin Stitt (R) signed state Republicans’ bill on Wednesday evening that will protect drivers who run over protesters from criminal and civil liability. Source

  48. 48.

    cain

    April 22, 2021 at 6:37 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:
    ???

    There needs to be a nobel prize for showing so much graciousness ;)

  49. 49.

    Jeffro

    April 22, 2021 at 6:38 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): I think Biden & Co just might in fact do it – either legislatively take the ‘debt ceiling’ out of existence, or raise it to some astronomical amount.

    Either way, there’s not enough fainting couches in this world or any other for the GQP pundit class.  They will go apeshit and the rest of the country will shrug it off and that’s a really, really good result.

  50. 50.

    tokyokie

    April 22, 2021 at 6:39 pm

    Gym Jordan knows the rules regarding speaking during committee meetings, he merely chooses not to follow them, because they apply to others, not to him. Somebody with that attitude didn’t become that way overnight and has to have been believing that social constraints others observe also do not apply to him. Whether it’s the tOSU wrestling team and/or other situations, you can rest assured that Jordan has ignored the conventions, rules, and laws that are applicable in a variety of contexts as it behooved him.

  51. 51.

    cain

    April 22, 2021 at 6:39 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Where is my sticker??! I got a jab #1 yesterday! :P

  52. 52.

    debbie

    April 22, 2021 at 6:40 pm

    Andy Borowitz on FB:

    Jim Jordan Launches Cro-Magnon Caucus
    WASHINGTON – Rep. Jim Jordan announced the formation of a new caucus “to preserve and protect our precious Cro-Magnon culture.” He called upon all Cro-Magnon men and women in the Congress to join his caucus and say, “I am proud to be a Cro-Magnon Caucasian.”

  53. 53.

    Jeffro

    April 22, 2021 at 6:40 pm

    @NotMax: enterprising reporters need to ask Gov Stitt if this applies to Black drivers running over MAGAts, women’s rights activists running over anti-abortion loons, etc.

    Also…were they having much of a problem with this out in Oklahoma?  I don’t recall either of the state’s two roads being blocked off for hours by BLM, Antifa, etc.

  54. 54.

    debbie

    April 22, 2021 at 6:40 pm

    @tokyokie:

    Or have been fluffed by T****.

  55. 55.

    JanieM

    April 22, 2021 at 6:41 pm

    @NotMax: More idiocy brought to us by the people who dreamed up the dumbest invention in the history of the universe: disappearing scrollbars.

    Thanks for the tip, especially the link on how to disable it. It hasn’t appeared on my machine yet….

  56. 56.

    WaterGirl

    April 22, 2021 at 6:41 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: I asked MazeDancer if she could put those 5 people together especially for you and for others who are in the same boat.  I think she did a lovely job!

  57. 57.

    debbie

    April 22, 2021 at 6:41 pm

    @NotMax:

    I cannot imagine this will sit well with insurance companies.

  58. 58.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    April 22, 2021 at 6:41 pm

    @NotMax:

    Thanks—useful.

  59. 59.

    zhena gogolia

    April 22, 2021 at 6:42 pm

    I love Rep. Demings.

  60. 60.

    WaterGirl

    April 22, 2021 at 6:44 pm

    @cain: Did you post in the I Got the Shot! thread?  I think not!  :-)

    Link

    They are available all the time with a link in the sidebar.

  61. 61.

    cain

    April 22, 2021 at 6:46 pm

    @tokyokie: It must be in a specific committee cuz I can see folks like Majorie Taylor Green jumping in and interrupting it as well.

  62. 62.

    NotMax

    April 22, 2021 at 6:46 pm

    The sleaze stands alone.

    Missouri Republican Sen. Josh Hawley was the lone senator Thursday to oppose a bill meant to curb hate crimes against Asian Americans.

    The bill passed the Senate, with broad support from both parties, by a vote of 94 to 1. Source

  63. 63.

    WaterGirl

    April 22, 2021 at 6:47 pm

    Why do I get the feeling that the black women in congress have had ENOUGH of their bullshit?

  64. 64.

    tokyokie

    April 22, 2021 at 6:49 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Why do I get the feeling that the black women in congress have had ENOUGH of their bullshit?

    Because they’re uniformly sensible?

  65. 65.

    Baud

    April 22, 2021 at 6:50 pm

    @NotMax:

    The vehicular manslaughter party.

    Next up, immunity for people whose bullets hit protestors.

  66. 66.

    Anoniminous

    April 22, 2021 at 6:52 pm

    In other Good News:

    “Because of limited opportunities for both mutation and selection within a host, the presence of immune-escape variants may be more important at the point of infection of immune individuals (2, 3). If so, what matters is the standing diversity of such variants in the population as a whole. Reducing numbers of infections through vaccination should then reduce opportunities for such diversity to be generated, transmitted, and selected. In short, vaccination is likely to make evolution slower, and this benefit may be realized by initially optimizing breadth of vaccine coverage, rather than strength of immunity.”

    IOW, vaccination reduces disease levels AND restricts the ability of SARS-CoV-2 to mutate.

  67. 67.

    Geminid

    April 22, 2021 at 6:53 pm

    @Jeffro: I think the House Oversight Commitee will have hearings regarding the insurrection. While the late Chairman Elijah Cummings is much missed, Carolyn Maloney, her Democratic cohorts, and committee staff should do a good job.  Maloney was instrumental in pushing through the Corporate Transparency Act, which was attached to the Defense funding bill and passed this January, over trump’s veto. A writer for Fortune Magazine called the CTA the most sweeping anti-corruption legislation in decades.

    There is another commitee with jurisdiction over Capitol Police that is investigating their response. The Judiciary Committee can call in Director Wray and other FBI officials, while the Armed Services Committee can get to the bottom of  National Guard matters. All these hearings will generate as much or more news as any commission.

    And the Republican minority can’t stop these investigations. They’ll get to ask their questions, and those like Jim Jordan will make asses of themselves. They can even work up minority reports if they want to, but that might not be a good idea.

  68. 68.

    SiubhanDuinne

    April 22, 2021 at 6:56 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Oh, that makes it even more special! MazeDancer does amazing work (you’ve seen her postcard designs, of course?)

  69. 69.

    SiubhanDuinne

    April 22, 2021 at 6:57 pm

    @NotMax:

    The sleaze stands alone.

    Heh.

  70. 70.

    smith

    April 22, 2021 at 6:57 pm

    @jeffreyw:  They pitched a fit before the hearings, and fought tooth and nail to try to block a 9/11 Commission at all. And recall that Junior, Darth Cheney, and (I think) Condeleeza Rice refused to testify under oath.

  71. 71.

    NotMax

    April 22, 2021 at 7:00 pm

    @JanieM

    disappearing scrollbars

    That too can be remedied (with a few minor exceptions).

    Go to Settings in the Start menu, continue to Ease of Access and thence to Display, scroll down and follow the instructions laid out here.

  72. 72.

    cain

    April 22, 2021 at 7:05 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    She speaks or all of us. Also sick of the DC press.

  73. 73.

    JanieM

    April 22, 2021 at 7:06 pm

    @NotMax: Thanks, I have seen that. Sad to say, from the article at your link:

    The setting in Ease of Access / Display doesn’t change the way scroll bars behave in Office programs.

    Office is almost all that matters, from my POV.

  74. 74.

    planetjanet

    April 22, 2021 at 7:06 pm

    @Ben Cisco: I laughed out loud at that.  Just a gem.

  75. 75.

    cain

    April 22, 2021 at 7:14 pm

    @smith: ​
     
    You’d think that the press would have a field day with that position. But nope. Our press failed us.

  76. 76.

    Ben Cisco (onboard the Defiant)

    April 22, 2021 at 7:18 pm

    @planetjanet: I am happy to serve.

  77. 77.

    smith

    April 22, 2021 at 7:20 pm

    @cain: I remember being amazed that it wasn’t a scandal, but the pressure to go along with the program at that time was really intense. People make fun of 9/11 Truthers, and some of the stories they make up to fill in the blanks are ludicrous, but the actions of the Bush Administration made it easy to suspect that we weren’t getting the whole story.

  78. 78.

    NotMax

    April 22, 2021 at 7:20 pm

    @JanieM

    Don’t use Office myself (and the link following is from a few years ago) but maybe fiddling with its color scheme will make things more eyeball friendly for you when it comes to seeing the scrollbar?

  79. 79.

    Doc Sardonic

    April 22, 2021 at 7:21 pm

    @zhena gogolia: She is something else. Did a really good job as Chief of Police in Orlando and could conceivably run for Governor if she desires. If she doesn’t then her husband Jerry could well do it in 2026.

  80. 80.

    WaterGirl

    April 22, 2021 at 7:24 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: I have!  I love all the stickers, too.

  81. 81.

    NotMax

    April 22, 2021 at 7:27 pm

    @NotMax – @JanieM

    Wrong linky, me thinky. This should be the one I intended.

  82. 82.

    JoyceH

    April 22, 2021 at 7:28 pm

    Open thread stuff – a friend of mine wants to celebrate being vaccinated – she lives about 1 1/2 hours away, so we’ve decided to meet halfway, in Fredericksburg, and do something touristy and then have a meal in a restaurant. I remembered a Fancy Restaurant that I went to ages ago, and I looked online and it’s still there. So I went to the county board on Facebook and asked if anyone had been there recently and have any comments. I said it was an excursion with ‘an also-vaccinated friend’. Got a lot of nice commentary, so we’ll probably eat there. But some bozo pipes up out of the blue with “Nobody cares if you’re vaccinated.” I’m just letting the stupid comment sit there like a turd in a punch bowl, but geez, these people just have to elbow in, don’t they?

  83. 83.

    JanieM

    April 22, 2021 at 7:29 pm

    @NotMax: Thanks, I’ll check it out, but color isn’t going to solve the problem of a scrollbar that’s not actually there.

    One of your links had some commenters who spoke quite eloquently on this subject, including a rant about how many things the scrollbar is useful for besides just scrolling.

    I would say it’s hard to believe how anyone could invent something so user-unfriendly, and find a boss to sign off on it, but I was a programmer myself, so I know just how oblivious to users’ actual workflow programmers can be.

    Sigh.

    ETA:

    @NotMax:  — Thanks, I was just about to wonder about that…. ;-)

  84. 84.

    Cacti

    April 22, 2021 at 7:31 pm

    While we’re handing out bouquets, a brickbat for Senator Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona.

    Caught on video soliciting anti-union talking points from the Arizona Chamber of Commerce during a virtual meeting with them on 4/7, where they were discussing opposition to the Protecting the Right to Organize (PRO) Act.

    With friends like these. (sigh)

  85. 85.

    Baud

    April 22, 2021 at 7:38 pm

    @Cacti:

    I don’t trust her, but that’s weak sauce.

  86. 86.

    NotMax

    April 22, 2021 at 7:42 pm

    Raise your hand if surprised. (scans room) Didn’t think so.

    WaPo link within:

    The Trump administration put up bureaucratic obstacles that stalled approximately $20 billion in hurricane relief for Puerto Rico and then obstructed an investigation into the holdup, according to an inspector general report obtained by The Washington Post.
    [snip]
    The Post had previously reported that President Donald Trump repeatedly told aides that disaster relief allocated for Puerto Rico must be closely monitored because he believed the territory’s government was corrupt and the economy in poor shape before the hurricanes devastated the island. Trump had also told then-White House Chief of Staff John F. Kelly and then-OMB Director Mick Mulvaney that he did not want a single dollar going to Puerto Rico, and instead, he wanted more of the money to go to Texas and Florida. Source

  87. 87.

    Amir Khalid

    April 22, 2021 at 7:45 pm

    @Ben Cisco:

    So make it a performative time-out: make him sit with his nose against the back wall of the room for an afternoon.

  88. 88.

    HumboldtBlue

    April 22, 2021 at 7:45 pm

    @eclare: ​
     

    Indeed.

  89. 89.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    April 22, 2021 at 7:46 pm

    @NotMax:

    What’s funny is that isn’t the PR government run by Republicans? I know their votes wouldn’t count for president (which is all Trump cared about), but still

  90. 90.

    Baud

    April 22, 2021 at 7:47 pm

    @NotMax:

    he believed the territory’s government was corrupt

     

    “They’re just like me!”

  91. 91.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    April 22, 2021 at 7:48 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Why do I get the feeling that the black women in congress have had ENOUGH of their bullshit?

    You saw that Whoopi Goldberg is writing a comic book movie about an older, Black woman as a superhero?

    Whoopi Goldberg already plays a superhero on daytime television, saving us from the worst of Meghan McCain’s takes on The View. Now, the EGOT winner, Vulture Honorary Degree recipient, and eternal star is writing her own superhero movie, too. Goldberg dropped the news in a Variety cover storyfocused on the 30th anniversary of her historic Best Supporting Actress Oscar win for Ghost. “Since I was a little kid, I’ve been obsessed with superheroes,” Goldberg said of the upcoming project. “They’re all saving the earth all the time. But do you know who’s really going to save the earth? Old Black women.”

    ETA: I swear I saw on twitter yesterday that it was a comic book….

  92. 92.

    WaterGirl

    April 22, 2021 at 7:50 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I had no idea!

  93. 93.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    April 22, 2021 at 7:52 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):

    NVM. They have their own political parties

  94. 94.

    NotMax

    April 22, 2021 at 7:53 pm

    One other tidbit which caught the eye today — so far (another WaPo link).

    NRA launches $2 million campaign to oppose Biden gun-control agenda

    More than $400,000 will be spent in Maine, West Virginia and Montana on television ads that say “Stop Biden’s gun grab.” The ads are designed to influence senators whose votes may be in play as the gun-control debate unfolds.
    [snip]
    In addition to the TV ads, the NRA announced that an additional $600,000 will go to targeted digital advertising in the original three states and Arizona, North Carolina, Florida and Pennsylvania. Another half-million dollars will be dedicated to a direct mail campaign that will also hit Utah, Alaska, Wisconsin, Ohio and Indiana.

  95. 95.

    Ben Cisco (onboard the Defiant)

    April 22, 2021 at 7:54 pm

    @Amir Khalid: I like the way you think.

  96. 96.

    Jeffro

    April 22, 2021 at 8:03 pm

    Oh good, I see my lily-white mom is losing her shit on FB over DC statehood, an issue which (in theory) should not affect her in the slightest.  And yet, while you can take the girl out of southern Illinois/(north Alabama)…

    Ugh.

  97. 97.

    WaterGirl

    April 22, 2021 at 8:07 pm

    @Jeffro: Honest to god, when we elected Barack Obama in 2008 I had not idea how racist this country was.  I mean, I knew there was racism, but I had no idea that it was so prevalent.

  98. 98.

    Baud

    April 22, 2021 at 8:09 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    The expression of racism has gotten worse since (and because of) Obama’s election.

  99. 99.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    April 22, 2021 at 8:14 pm

    @Baud: and worse than that since trump’s, I think. “You mean we don’t have to say the quiet part quietly anymore?” He taught them they can get away with it.

    A couple of weeks ago Lindsey Graham said Donald Trump reminded him of Jesse Helms. He meant it as a compliment and it caused nary a ripple

  100. 100.

    Baud

    April 22, 2021 at 8:15 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    He taught them they can get away with it.

    And that they have to do it if they want their voters to come out.

  101. 101.

    Another Scott

    April 22, 2021 at 8:15 pm

    @JanieM:

    Microsoft – how to show scroll bars in Word and Excel.

    It’s infuriating, isn’t it?

    Unless you futz with things, you have no idea which window has the focus. What text is a button and what isn’t. What you have to click once and what you have to click twice. And acres of white space with very low information density.

    And it’s not even pretty…

    It’s up there with the geniuses that decided that underlining hyperlinks was somehow too old-school…

    (sigh)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  102. 102.

    Jeffro

    April 22, 2021 at 8:16 pm

    Um…Gary F’n Abernathy just threw out a column in WaPo supporting reparations.

    I don’t trust that SOB as far as I can (virtually) throw him, but this is just weird.  Supposedly it’s the ‘conservative’ thing to do??!??

    The cost can be debated, along with the mechanics of a compensation package. But in the current drunken haze of government spending, appropriating trillions for the noble purpose of bringing Black Americans who remain economically penalized by the enslavement of their ancestors closer to the fiscal universe of White citizens surely seems less objectionable than some recent spending proposals.

    It is a tenet of conservatism that a level playing field is all we should guarantee. But that’s meaningless if one team starts with an unsurmountable lead before play even begins.

    Am I high?  I’m high, aren’t I?  I thought most of the weirdness was supposed to be over when 2021 rolled around…

  103. 103.

    Baud

    April 22, 2021 at 8:18 pm

    Sen. Whitehouse in Chris Hayes was bullish on climate.  Almost giddy.  Very interesting.

  104. 104.

    geg6

    April 22, 2021 at 8:20 pm

    @NotMax:

    Saw one of those ads today on, of all places, MSNBC.  It looks like a cheap late-night ad for a small personal injury law firm drumming up some sweet auto accident cash.

  105. 105.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    April 22, 2021 at 8:20 pm

    whelp… at least from these tweets it looks like they didn’t kill or maim anyone or start a wildfire this time

    Jason Schreiber @Schreibernews Apr 21

    IT’S A BOY! An explosion that rocked homes within a 20-mile radius Tuesday night is being blamed on a gender reveal celebration at a Kingston quarry that police say involved more than a pound of tannerite and blue chalk.

    UPDATE: Kingston police say approx. 80 pounds of Tannerite were used at that gender reveal party that caused a massive explosion that shook homes for miles. Man who detonated it has turned himself in to police and is cooperating. Police haven’t decided on charges.

    add this to the long list of trends I will never understand. Both the “reveals” and the need for explosions.

  106. 106.

    WaterGirl

    April 22, 2021 at 8:27 pm

    @Baud: I have never seen or read about anything Senator Whitehouse has said or done that hasn’t made me appreciate him.

    John Kerry was very excited and confident in the press briefing with Jen Psaki today.

  107. 107.

    Baud

    April 22, 2021 at 8:28 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    He’s silently solid.  I guess people don’t notice him because he isn’t a social media star.

  108. 108.

    WaterGirl

    April 22, 2021 at 8:28 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I guess it’s time to pull it out again…

    What the fuck is wrong with these people?

  109. 109.

    WaterGirl

    April 22, 2021 at 8:29 pm

    @Baud: Well, he’s a star in my book.

  110. 110.

    Jeffro

    April 22, 2021 at 8:30 pm

    @WaterGirl: Obama’s election ramped it steeply upward.  trumpov’s full-on “I am your voice!” (so vote for me and I’ll let fly with every racist thought you’ve ever had) ramped it straight into the stratosphere.

  111. 111.

    JanieM

    April 22, 2021 at 8:30 pm

    @Another Scott: I can’t quite tell if you think that link solves the problem. It doesn’t, in any case.

    First I was going to say that I don’t have Office 365, so that solution won’t apply to me. (I’m cheap, and also I have so far resisted Microsoft’s heart’s desire of debiting my credit card every month. Which is what 365 is, right? A “subscription” rather than an an app I buy once and for all.)

    I still have Office 2013. Whether those settings work differently from the way they do in 365 I don’t know, but 2013 does actually have the settings your link provided — and what they do is toggle whether there’s a scrollbar at all in the main panel (they don’t affect the search panel, I didn’t check the Review Changes panel). They do not affect the fact that if you move the mouse away from the open Word doc, the scrollbar disappears.

    And yes, it’s not even pretty. I can’t remotely imagine what they thought the point was…..

  112. 112.

    JanieM

    April 22, 2021 at 8:32 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Yeah, I was taken aback that there were still blue and pink clothes for babies when I had my kids 35 years ago. Needless to say, my ideas about the human race have only gone downhill since then.

  113. 113.

    WaterGirl

    April 22, 2021 at 8:33 pm

    @Jeffro: Yeah, you and Baud are both right.  Ugh.  If I have to downgrade my opinion of the average Republican any further, it’s gonna be underground.

  114. 114.

    Baud

    April 22, 2021 at 8:34 pm

    @JanieM:

    If I had a baby, I would dress it all in black.

  115. 115.

    NotMax

    April 22, 2021 at 8:39 pm

    @Baud

    Emo Baudling.

    * shudder

  116. 116.

    Another Scott

    April 22, 2021 at 8:50 pm

    @JanieM: You should be able to turn the scroll bars on permanently, at least in Office 2016 and 2019.

    It looks like there are some work-arounds in Word 2013. SuperUser.com.

    HTH.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  117. 117.

    Steve in the ATL

    April 22, 2021 at 8:54 pm

    @Baud: it’s never too early to prepare for life in Manhattan

  118. 118.

    JanieM

    April 22, 2021 at 8:56 pm

    @Another Scott: Yeah, working in the draft window isn’t ideal, but I could make more use of it than I do. Thanks.

  119. 119.

    briber

    April 22, 2021 at 9:00 pm

    @NotMax: Easy to change the diaper -> no pants!

  120. 120.

    Another Scott

    April 22, 2021 at 9:00 pm

    Meanwhile, …

    Dolphins surfing a wave.. pic.twitter.com/0TmhUG6z63

    — Buitengebieden (@buitengebieden_) April 22, 2021

    (via CharlesPPierce)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  121. 121.

    NotMax

    April 22, 2021 at 9:22 pm

    @briber

    Q: Why do RWNJ’s babies reek?

    A: The parents rebel against any kind of change.

    (rimshot)

  122. 122.

    Regnad Kcin

    April 22, 2021 at 9:38 pm

    @debbie: i think he meant to say Hono Erectus

  123. 123.

    Gvg

    April 22, 2021 at 9:55 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): No, as I understand it, PR has different parties. They aren’t actually republicans or democrats. Until recently, it was hard to predict which way they would divide if they got representation. Now I think they would probably caucus against the republicans.

  124. 124.

    Dopey-o

    April 22, 2021 at 11:03 pm

    @germy:  DC shouldn’t be a state because the District doesn’t have a landfill.

    Has any checked between Gym Jordan’s ears?

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