In case you missed the the previous post: Four Directions and Fair Fight are teaming up in Georgia.
OJ Semans, Sr and Lewis Cohen are here to talk with us about their new partnership and anything else we want to talk about.
Ask them about Georgia, about OJ’s conversation with Raphael Warnock last week, or anything else.
With their new partnership, each organization will provide equal funding for this effort – $50,000 each – and that will surely be a bigger lift for Four Directions than for Fair Fight Action!
Over the next 6 weeks, Four Directions and Fair Fight will be laying the groundwork for the boots on the ground organizing to begin in Georgia by mid-to-late September.
That gives them two weeks to raise the funds, and another month to recruit and train field organizers and people to direct the work of the people on the ground.
Four Directions – Georgia!
If we commit to try to raise $25,000 in the next few weeks, Four Directions can go to other donors and let them know that we could match up to $25,000, which should make it easier to for them to raise the rest of the funds.
Goal date for raising the funds is August 15. That’s two weeks. It’s a big ask, but it’s also an opportunity for us to make a big impact.
Zoom with Four Directions is tomorrow evening – Tuesday at 7:30 pm Eastern – please send me email to RSVP, and also let us know in the comments.
WaterGirl
Welcome, OJ and Lewis!
MomSense
Thank goodness the zoom is tomorrow. I just got home from work.
I’m curious about where you will be organizing in GA and the profile of the voter contacts.
WaterGirl
@MomSense: Would you like me to put you down for the zoom?
piratedan
still at work out here in AZ but since this was a topic over the last few weeks, with the Ga GOP intent on trying to control Fulton County thru whatever nefarious means, what strategies are being employed to counter this? Every time we beat them back with numbers, there are greater and greater attempts to continue the disenfranchisement of voters thru other means. While I know that registering voters is a big Biden deal, are you working with other groups thru legal means to have these attempts to skew the playing field defeated?
Torrey
Hi, WaterGirl! Thank you for organizing this. I’d like to be in on the Zoom meeting. I’ll send you an email.
MomSense
@WaterGirl:
Yes, that would be great
MomSense
@piratedan:
OOh good question. I’ve been wondering about legal challenges as well.
WaterGirl
@MomSense: Okay, I just moved a random email from you to the Four Directions zoom folder, so I’ll just reply to that with the zoom info.
OJ Semans Sr
Hau, (Hello) am I in the right place:)
WaterGirl
@OJ Semans Sr: Yes, you are, OJ! Welcome.
Nice to see you again.
OJ Semans Sr
@WaterGirl: Thank you for having us back
OJ Semans Sr
I am looking forward to talking about Georgia and our visit with Senator Warnock
MomSense
@OJ Semans Sr:
I’m envious. He’s one of my heroes.
WaterGirl
@OJ Semans Sr: I would love to hear about that.
We have some folks who much prefer the posts and others who prefer the zooms, so don’t worry about repeating yourself by talking about something here and then talking about the same thing at the zoom.
So please, tell us about your visit with Sen. Raphael Warnock!
Joy in FL
WaterGirl, I emailed you a few minutes ago to include me in tomorrow’s Zoom.
Thank you, 4 Directions, for taking time to communicate with us. I learned so much from the previous Zoom, and I shared some of the info with a few politically interested friends.
Yutsano
@OJ Semans Sr: *doffs cap*
I am very concerned about the state legislature in Georgia trying to manipulate the numbers in Fulton county. The real purpose is of course to discourage minority votes in the first place. What are the odds of insisting on a paper audit trail so that votes don’t get pushed aside like reeds in the marsh?
Auntie Anne
Hi, OJ and Lewis! OJ, I would like to know more about your conversation with Raphael Warnock.
OJ Semans Sr
How would you like to start tonight’s conversation, I think talking about what our visit with Senator Warnock would bring some light on our overall work we are doing in Georgia
Auntie Anne
That would be awesome!
WaterGirl
@Joy in FL: I received your message, thank you! I will send out the zoom in the morning so I can send out links one after another.
That way I don’t have to worry about who I sent the link too already. :-)
OJ Semans Sr
First of all its always a pleasure and an honor to visit with Senator Warnock.
In our conversation with Senator Warnock, we outlined the following;
Brnovich versus the DNC is more than Ballot Collection and out of Precinct voting, the court could have just found these two issues did not violate Section 2, but instead gutted Section 2, by recreating what equals means. This Court has decided to be on the wrong side of history, will be considered along the same line Plessy vs. Ferguson and Dred Scott where we once again have separate but equal.
WaterGirl
@OJ Semans Sr: That sounds great, OJ! Just jump right in.
rikyrah
@OJ Semans Sr:
Welcome ?
OJ Semans Sr
2nd
If you look at the1964, the United States Supreme Court in Reynolds v. Sims, 377 U.S. 533, 561-62 (1964). Basically said “The right to vote is supposed to be a fundamental in s free and democratic society, is a preservative of all other basic civil and political rights”
OJ Semans Sr
Voting is the backbone of our democracy, it is the pillar of all our other civil right such as the Federal anti-discrimination laws that prohibit discrimination in housing, credit, employment, can be considered the domino affect in that these rights could be next.
OJ Semans Sr
Because the Brnovich decision, while claiming that Title VII and fair housing are different (i.e., disparate impact is standard), establishes a path forward that only laws and/or regulations that openly demonstrate intentional racial discrimination will be addressable by the courts
Madeleine
I’m very interested in your conversation with Senator Warnock. But I’m also interested in your views about Senator Kelly.
OJ Semans Sr
In Georgia Republicans also enacted a law to purge election officials for any reason and replace them with preferred officials who can change the number and location of polling places, this is already being done in a process to purge election officials in Fulton County, which is 44% Black and voted overwhelmingly for Biden.
It allows for partisan officials to overturn election results based on a presumption of election fraud.
15 amendments does not protect nothing – gives protection for States but allows criminal actions against the voters.
OJ Semans Sr
That an option that can be utilized now while courts cases are being fought and Congress is working on the For the People Act and the John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act, Congress can refund HAVA with budget reconciliation where a simple majority is needed. This would allow for funding for more polling places, satellite offices, more days and more hours to vote. This will also take away excuses from election officials in not wanting to do so because of budget restraints.
OJ Semans Sr
Four Directions has not only partnered with Fair Fights but also with their sister organization Fair Count (Pun intended) to start in November 2021 a1 year of voter engagement/registration drive.
OJ Semans Sr
LOL, now that I got that out of my system, I would love to answer any questions:)
WaterGirl
@OJ Semans Sr: I hope there are actions planned to fight all of that with more than just get out the vote. Because if they can change things at that level, our rights are going down the drain.
OJ Semans Sr
@Madeleine: The Arizona Tribes are very happy with Senator Kelly and I believe he will be good for the country as a whole
Elizabelle
Glad you are here, OJ. Also glad to hear of Fair Count.
WaterGirl
@OJ Semans Sr: I had to google HAVA – Help America Vote Act. I should have known what that was without googling! But I hadn’t seen it abbreviated before.
OJ Semans Sr
We are operating on multiple fronts paid advertisements, working with Tribes in the lower 48 and the Alaskan Native, congress and most importantly boots on the ground.
WaterGirl
@OJ Semans Sr: I know we have to get out the vote, but that doesn’t seem like enough when they can toss votes out, or the legislature can nullify the will of the voters.
Is it as hopeless as it feels?
OJ Semans Sr
@WaterGirl: HAVA, is going to be very important and as we educate Congress on its proper use in elections we are taking away excuses and if needed opening the door for litigation
WaterGirl
@OJ Semans Sr: What are the plans for getting HAVA passed with Manchin and Sinema behaving the way they are?
It’s a sad state of affairs when it’s a given that no Republican will vote in favor of voting rights.
OJ Semans Sr
@Elizabelle: Thank you, glad to be able to talk about how we plan on keeping up the pressure and vote in Georgia
OJ Semans Sr
@WaterGirl: They should not have a problem with it because it always been funded in a non-partisen manner but this time we would want a rider directing for polling locations satellite offices with more days and hours
Madeleine
Sorry, OJ. I neglected to say how much I appreciate Four Directions’ work. I will definitely support your work with Fair Fight. We’re fortunate to have you.
MomSense
@OJ Semans Sr:
Preach!!
OJ Semans Sr
We would direct the rider to the EAC, also something to consider is the States that apply for HAVA funds must state they will abide by the voting rights act, we need to push DOJ into taking the authority to investigate violations of HAVA use
OJ Semans Sr
@Madeleine: Thank you for your kind words, we believe i what we do
Torrey
I expect Manchin won’t change his mind, although I always wonder what game he’s playing–and I’m very nervous about the possibility that he’ll simply change parties. But do the tribes in Arizona see any likelihood of talking to, or putting some pressure on, Sinema?
OJ Semans Sr
@WaterGirl: I understand, I am a Native and we take hopelessness and turn it into resilience
OJ Semans Sr
@Torrey: Yes, we are having those discussions with AZ Tribes now
H.E.Wolf
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Lewis Cohen at Four Directions
Good evening, folks. It’s great to be back with Balloon Juice. We so appreciate what you did for us back in May.
OJ Semans Sr
The Remove the Stain Act did not make it out of the National Defense Authorization Act. Republicans offered an amendment that would put the issues to a review board using 1890 standards. We would not allow the amendment so they killed the bill
Madeleine
I’m participating in a BJ Michigan oriented project to stop the legislative anti-voter bills. I was recently a MI resident. Do you know if there is a Michigan Native American organization that might be working on voting issues? Or any Native American organizations that have connections to Michigan? I ask because the legislative effort to suppress voters is, to say the least, robust and comprehensive. Thanks.
If this is too far off-topic, please please feel free to ignore it.
Lewis Cohen at Four Directions
@piratedan: @MomSense:
Winning through numbers remains important. If they manage to suppress the vote of “x” voters in a given state, we’ve got to register and get “x” + 1 voters in that state to the polls. The legal channel became more complicated after the recent SCOTUS ruling. To attempt to offset that, we will be working with tribal leaders and elders in a national call to action, as far as lobbying for federal legislation is concerned. Stacey Abrams will be working to get national civic minded organizations to step up to the plate and have their voices heard when it comes to lobbying for the same outcome. Together, it should have an impact!
Lewis Cohen at Four Directions
Stacey Abrams is amazing. We are thrilled to join forces with her in Georgia. This will be a case of 1 + 1 = 3.
H.E.Wolf
@OJ Semans Sr: “we take hopelessness and turn it into resilience ”
Thank you for this! Words for us all to live by.
Lewis Cohen at Four Directions
@MomSense: Please see my answer to PirateDan at comment #53.
OJ Semans Sr
May seem so distant in todays times, but we truly appreciated all the donations to help us keep up the good fight. I believe it was grassroots orgs, that turned 2020 around:)
OJ Semans Sr
@Madeleine: Yes, us:) we work with Michigan Tribes
Lewis Cohen at Four Directions
@Yutsano: It’s hard to say at this point. A paper trail would be ideal, but it does not appear that the folks in charge in Fulton County will allow that to move forward. We have to stay in our two lanes for now – lobbying legislators to pass national voting rights laws and registering and organizing aggressively in Georgia. Thanks for the question.
Lewis Cohen at Four Directions
@Auntie Anne: That is certainly OJ’s area. Hi AuntieAnne. Thanks for being here.
Madeleine
@OJ Semans Sr: Wonderful! Thank you!
WaterGirl
@H.E.Wolf: I just added this as a rotating tag:
It’s aspirational!
OJ Semans Sr
Wow, not only do I speak broken English it appears I type it as well:)
Lewis Cohen at Four Directions
@H.E.Wolf: Truth!
WaterGirl
@OJ Semans Sr: @Madeleine:
Madeleine, if you want to contribute to the work with tribes in Michigan in particular, once the current GA fundraising is done, we could add another Four Directions thermometer for MI in particular. Let m know if you think there’s interest.
Lewis Cohen at Four Directions
@OJ Semans Sr: You’re ambidexterous, OJ!
OJ Semans Sr
My wife Barb and I live on the Rosebud Sioux Indian Reservation in SD, and it is totally RED, with the exception of Indian Reservations, 4D was able to ensure all Native Candidates made it into the Senate and House. So although we lose most fights we have our people fight none the less.
OJ Semans Sr
@WaterGirl: Sure, I and would try to get Tribal Leaders involved by taking part.
WaterGirl
OJ, can you tell us more about your conversation with Raphael Warnock? He is a national treasure, and I would love to hear about that conversation.
WaterGirl
@OJ Semans Sr: That would be wonderful.
Madeleine
@WaterGirl: I was speculating because it seemed possible. I’ll have to look into it. Thanks for proposing that we might support MI Native Americans. I should pursue this further with 4D.
OJ Semans Sr
@MomSense: Legal challenges after the SC ruling will be very difficult without setting up some violations, that’s why we talk about using HAVA funds to take away excuses,
WaterGirl
These people have RSVP’d for the zoom so far:
H. E. Wolf (no e!)
Madeleine
Joy in FL
MomSense
Torrey
Auntie Anne
Charlotte
Lyrebird
Wolvesvalley
Ruckus
Who else is interested in the zoom with Four Directions tomorrow (Tuesday) at 7:30 pm Eastern?
OJ Semans Sr
@WaterGirl: The thing that makes him a great person, is not that he continually talks about what he wants to do, it is his ability to really listen to what you have to say and giving you an honest opinion if it might be successful. He was very impressed with the HAVA idea’s
WaterGirl
@OJ Semans Sr: Listening is good!
Did he talk about the headwinds he is facing for reelection? He is worth a hundred sitting Republican senators. Wait, make that 1,000.
OJ Semans Sr
I have meet him (Senator Warnock) twice now once in person and the other zoom, he is a very compassionate person and you not only hear his words you feel the,
OJ Semans Sr
@WaterGirl: Yes, he believes it is going to be a very tough election and is very aware of the efforts the legislatures are taking to defeat him, but he also has faith:)
Lyrebird
Late as usual, but so glad to read the thread. Will put in what I can, and will see about tomorrow’s schedule.
Thanks very much to WG of course and to our distinguished guests!!
Keep on rockin!!
OJ Semans Sr
We are also scheduled to meet with Senator Jon Ossoff this month to talk about HAVA and a filibuster with a cutout for Civil rights
WaterGirl
@OJ Semans Sr: My mom taught us that if you have to cheat to win, it’s not winning. And that if you can’t win fair and square, you don’t deserve to win.
Apparently today’s Republicans never got that message.
WaterGirl
@OJ Semans Sr: I ?Jon Ossoff.
Georgia has two of the best senators.
Lewis Cohen at Four Directions
@Lyrebird: Thank you for joining us, @Lyrebird, and for the kind words. We greatly appreciate your support and hope to see you tomorrow.
WaterGirl
@Lyrebird: Will you send me an email message so I can send you the zoom link? thanks
OJ Semans Sr
@Lyrebird: Hau (Hi)
Lewis Cohen at Four Directions
@WaterGirl: No, the GOP never got that message!
OJ Semans Sr
@WaterGirl: They were key in the confirmation of Secretary of Interior Deb Haaland:)
WaterGirl
@OJ Semans Sr: They have been key in EVERYTHING because they gave us the majority. Even without that, though, they are both very impressive people. We are lucky to have them.
Lewis Cohen at Four Directions
@Lyrebird: WG does an outstanding job, no question about that!
Lewis Cohen at Four Directions
@WaterGirl: We have to do whatever it takes to keep them there past November 2022, which is what we are prepared to work toward.
OJ Semans Sr
@WaterGirl: That is the truth we are so glad we worked moccasins on the ground in Georgia 2021:)
WaterGirl
@OJ Semans Sr: Does anyone really think we can get Mancin and Sinema on =board with filibuster cutouts?
Lyrebird
@Lewis Cohen at Four Directions: @OJ Semans Sr:
Thank you so much for your greetings back! Two careers ago I worked for a Tribal-run organization in New Mexico. Whatever I am doing now is very small, but if I can do something to stand up with the kids and leaders I was working with, I want to do it.
Torrey
I’m going to have to leave now. Thank you both for taking the time to talk to us. I’m looking forward to the Zoom call tomorrow. (We’re not supposed to have thunderstorms, so hopefully I won’t be introducing any beagles into the proceedings this time.)
Madeleine
I’m sorry. I have to go. I’ll see you tomorrow evening. Thanks for taking time with us.
WaterGirl
@Lewis Cohen at Four Directions: At least Jon Ossoff isn’t up for reelection until 2026.
OJ Semans Sr
I am proud to say, every election Four Directions has been a part of has resulted in higher turnouts and we will continue to do so by developing work throughs and working outside the box.
Lewis Cohen at Four Directions
@Lyrebird: Thank you for the sentiment – it is greatly appreciated!
OJ Semans Sr
@Torrey: thank you and look forwards to visiting tomorrow
OJ Semans Sr
@Madeleine: Thank you, see you tomorrow
Lewis Cohen at Four Directions
@Torrey: Thank you for joining – see you tomorrow.
Lewis Cohen at Four Directions
@WaterGirl: Thank goodness for that.
OJ Semans Sr
@Lewis Cohen at Four Directions: No I am Sioux lol
Lewis Cohen at Four Directions
@OJ Semans Sr: That is what we are known for – out of the box thinking and very hard work and dedication!
Lewis Cohen at Four Directions
@OJ Semans Sr: LOL.
WaterGirl
I think we’ll have OJ and Lewis for about 10 more minutes tonight, so if you have questions, please jump in.
And I feel certain that they will check this post again in the morning in case there are questions or comments after they head off at 9pm. So comments and questions are totally welcome even after they have signed off.
Lewis Cohen at Four Directions
@WaterGirl: You bet we will, without a doubt.
WaterGirl
In the 8 remaining minutes, until a question comes in, would you guys like to say a few words about how your big event went in June?
Lewis Cohen at Four Directions
@WaterGirl: I’ll defer to OJ on that one.
OJ Semans Sr
@WaterGirl: I truly appreciate you giving us the time to tell our story. I believe events such as this enables us to let people know we still exist and can play majors roles in elections.
WaterGirl
@OJ Semans Sr: Can we expect to see you in your van tomorrow night at the zoom? :-)
OJ Semans Sr
Yes, would be glad to it was a huge success and although it didn’t make it out of the NDAA we are still moving forward.
Lewis Cohen at Four Directions
@OJ Semans Sr: OJ is always moving forward, sometimes in the van. :)
OJ Semans Sr
Here is a short video we did titled “Call to Action”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrsfwD02ycA
WaterGirl
OJ and Lewis – thank you again for your time and engagement tonight, and we will see you tomorrow on the zoom!
Lewis Cohen at Four Directions
@WaterGirl: Thank you, @Watergirl – superb job as always. See you all tomorrow night – looking forward. Have a good night, everyone, and thanks!!
OJ Semans Sr
@WaterGirl: LOL, you never know, the community meetings I attend never end on time so there I am traveling or parked along side the Road lol
WaterGirl
@OJ Semans Sr: Thank you for the video. I just added it to the top of the post where people will be more likely to see it.
OJ Semans Sr
@WaterGirl: No, thank you, your efforts to help us will be the reason we can move forward with confidence in making 2022 count.
Lewis Cohen at Four Directions
@OJ Semans Sr: Absolutely – I second that!
OJ Semans Sr
WOPILA (THANK YOU)
WaterGirl
@OJ Semans Sr: We’ll do our best to get you there!
Goodnight.
Lewis Cohen at Four Directions
@WaterGirl: Goodnight!
Jackie
New post?
Ruckus
WaterGirl
I just sent you an email.
WaterGirl
@Ruckus: Got it!
sixthdoctor
Hello, WaterGirl, sent a zoom request if it’s not too late. Thanks!
WaterGirl
@sixthdoctor: Got it!
Will be sending the zoom links later this morning.