There is nothing low-grade, low-risk, or low-cost about any war. It was time to end the war in Afghanistan. pic.twitter.com/jAGbWnBzol
— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) September 1, 2021
This is correct. https://t.co/pNYIy2HYAy
— Jason Kander (@JasonKander) September 1, 2021
He’ll need all the help he can muster, given the circumstances, and his enemies in the GOP and the media…
Repeated theme in post-speech analysis: How dare the president defend his policies in ways that do not suit the narrative I have been peddling for the past few weeks? How dare he make his case on his terms and not on mine?
— David Rothkopf (@djrothkopf) August 31, 2021
oops I did it again pic.twitter.com/eHhd5h82Dc
— Matt Negrin, HOST OF HARDBALL AT 7PM ON MSNBC (@MattNegrin) August 31, 2021
The “strange” part is that yet again the news media and Washington insiders don’t have a clue what people outside of their bubble care about. https://t.co/SVHDkpK9ht
— Tom Brennan (@Brennanator) August 31, 2021
If there's a criticism of Biden to be had it's that his lack of confidence in the entire Afghan War project wasn't nearly pessimistic enough. https://t.co/94qJd9hWdb
— zeddy (@Zeddary) August 31, 2021
the Bargaining Phase https://t.co/UbYRqGCF8u
— flglmn (@flglmn) September 1, 2021
debbie
Sigh. I’ve heard the GQP wants to change the 1/6 Commission to the 8/31 Commission. It’s going to be such a long winter.
As long as Joe continues stating the fact that this was TFG’s deal, I’ll be happy.
ETA: Last night, the local Fox affiliate ran several clips of 2001 Joe advocating for war. I say, “When you know better, you do better.”
Baud
“Please.”
Baud
Joe did his job.
The war against forever war is now in the hands of the voting public.
debbie
@Baud:
Does the South count as “abroad”?
Baud
@debbie:
Once.
Skepticat
From my limited and admittedly narrow, minimally educated perspective, I think the president handled this for precisely the right reasons in the best way possible. Given the quality of their comments, the more the naysayers complain, the more it reinforces that.
Leonard Pitts had a very good—and depressing—column this morning. https://www.pressherald.com/2021/09/01/leonard-pitts-one-line-heddy-goes-heree/
Lapassionara
I remember when Reagan sent troops to Grenada. Would that count as “abroad”?
rikyrah
Good Morning, Everyone???
Baud
@rikyrah:
Good morning.
rikyrah
46 is the man for this time.????
Skepticat
So I’m a pedant; tough.
John S.
The media are already gearing up to move on to the next outrage as they begin to lose interest again in Afghanistan. Up next?
Federal unemployment ends this month, and it’s all because of Biden and those dastardly Democrats!
hueyplong
@Skepticat: I see it as proof of RWNJ sourcing for the question.
Sincerely,
Pedant Who Looks Down Nose At Real Murkins
Baud
@John S.:
Where is that from?
MomSense
One of the most important qualities in a leader is the ability to stay calm and confident during crisis and criticism. We are so lucky to have Biden. His administration is juggling multiple crises with such compassion and competence.
rikyrah
19 Phucking Times!!!!
Da phuq is she talking about????
Lara Seligman (@laraseligman) tweeted at 2:34 PM on Tue, Aug 31, 2021:
Biden says they reached out to Americans in Afghanistan 19 times since March to try to get them out… that seems like not a lot given the circumstances.
(https://twitter.com/laraseligman/status/1432788798727991298?s=02)
MomSense
@John S.:
Jesus they must all have whiplash. Weren’t they just blaming unemployment benefits for the short staffing of low paid service jobs?
Baud
@rikyrah:
Right. 19 is a lot. I don’t get that many chances to extend my car warranty.
debbie
@rikyrah:
Weekly, more or less. Seems reasonable to me. ??♀️
John S.
@Baud: Business Insider
ETA: I always love the vague reference to “Congress” in a sensational headline that takes 20 paragraphs to mention that it’s Republicans who are the problem.
Baud
@John S.:
Thanks.
rikyrah
Emily C. Singer (@CahnEmily) tweeted at 6:20 AM on Wed, Sep 01, 2021:
Abortion is effectively illegal in Texas and its barely a blip on the @nytimes home page
(https://twitter.com/CahnEmily/status/1433027011614806020?s=02)
hueyplong
@rikyrah: The correct answer to the question “How many times is enough?” is, of course, “However many times Biden did it +1.”
Can you imagine such inquiries during a Trump Administration? We just lived through one and that kind of question was asked zero times in 4 years.
Baud
@MomSense:
If you read the article at the link above, the current critique is coming from lefty groups.
germy
John S.
@Baud: Yup. And they aren’t necessarily wrong. But the framing and the headline are wildly misleading.
It’s really only a matter of time before we start to hear Republicans criticizing Biden for yet another problem they created.
(See: Afghanistan)
debbie
@germy:
That cannot be the real Ann, can it?
rikyrah
Oliver Willis (@owillis) tweeted at 6:43 AM on Wed, Sep 01, 2021:
#PresidentBiden is STRONGLY growing our economy! People are POWERFULLY working again. He gave us BEAUTIFUL vaccines and ended the HORRIBLE endless war. He keeps WINNING AND WINNING AND WINNING!! #maba #bidenwinsandwins ⭐️⭐️⭐️??????
(https://twitter.com/owillis/status/1433032781869817858?s=02)
JPL
@rikyrah: Neighbor against neighbor. Imagine after suffering from a miscarriage facing a neighbor’s lawsuit because she/he doesn’t believe you.
Baud
@debbie:
Welcome to the Twilight Zone.
debbie
@JPL:
And anyone in the country, not just Texas, can sue!
Texas: The Home of the Christian Taliban. ?
hueyplong
@debbie: The part that stunned me was the reference to “President Biden.” We’re accustomed to RW tweets declining to use anything in the neighborhood of a decently respectful reference to someone’s name if that someone isn’t a member of the Bund.
germy
@debbie:
It’s her. She wanted Trump to either carpet bomb the entire country or leave. He did neither, so she’s disappointed in him.
John S.
@JPL: Surely this is all according to God’s plan!
Never mind.
Jo Jo las Orejas
Buenos dias!!!
Mi mamá está estresada. Vamos a emprender un viaje muy, muy largo. Me temo que no hay suficiente espacio en mi Sienna para todas mis golosinas, juguetes y comida. Ella dice que no podemos cargar mi pelota gigante. Esto me molesta mucho. Es mi favorito. No tenemos vacas para que las pastoree. Tengo mi gran bola verde.
debbie
@Baud:
Seriously.
germy
Baud
@Jo Jo las Orejas:
Pero puedes ponerte la cabeza por la ventana del carro.
germy
House GOP is threatening telecommunications companies if they “play with Democrats”
Baud
@germy:
As a protest to Biden, the media no longer cares about women and girls.
mrmoshpotato
Every Rethuglican shitstain is free to enlist…
Dorothy A. Winsor
@debbie: We’ve been in what feels a forever war aimed at changing the culture in the South. I’d say we’ve been marginally more successful that in Afghanistan but sometimes I wish we could withdraw.
JPL
@germy: MJG should be more concerned about the covid cases running rampart in her district. Another child recently died of the virus.
Baud
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
Just remember Georgia.
Quinerly
@Jo Jo las Orejas:
No room for your giant herding ball, JoJo. It’s as big as you are. Get off the internet. Pack your bandanas if you want to look good for your Chicas.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@germy: So Ann Coulter’s twitter account was hacked???
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Jo Jo las Orejas: No big ball? That’s an outrage! Call the SPCA
MomSense
@Jo Jo las Orejas:
???
@Quinerly:
Hahaha! This is the content we crave!
germy
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
No. In other tweets she explains herself. “I wanted to bomb the shit out of Iraq, not stay in Afghanistan for 20 years” (paraphrase)
mrmoshpotato
@debbie:
I thought they preferred to be called Y’all Qaeda.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Baud: True. Stacey Abrams is my hero.
Jo Jo las Orejas
@Baud:
Eso me asusta. Duermo con chofer. Me gusta refrescarme y estar lista para la fiesta toda la noche después de que mi mamá conduzca de 8 a 10 horas.
NotMax
Kneejerk jerkwad.
lowtechcyclist
I dunno, still looks like denial to me.
Jeffro
flglmn is spot-on…”please, pleeeeeeease won’t you give us another war? Just one more?”
Chris
God. These people really don’t know what the fuck to do with themselves without a big war going on.
MomSense
@debbie:
I’m listening to an NPR interview with an angry father of one of the 13 fallen marines and It’s a good thing I’m not driving.
Jeffro
OT but with those tornado warnings going off until the wee hours last night, Team Fro is TIRED! Even the dog (who played 2 straight hours of ‘fetch’) is like, ‘let’s just take a chill day today, sound good?’
Might have to crank the Gn’R and Cult louder than usual to get the ol’ bloodstream goin’… ;)
Baud
@MomSense: maybe the veterans and military families on our side need to start speaking out in support of Biden.
Chief Oshkosh
@Dorothy A. Winsor: I know, but consider that Georgia just elected TWO Demonrats to the Senate last time around. Wisconsin? Ohio? Maine? Kentucky, Iowa, Indiana, Pennsylvania? At least one Rethuglican Senator. And those are full-on Union states, not border states.
ETA: Baud beat me to it. But s/he’s still a loser.
Betty
@rikyrah: The Evangelicals are already celebrating on Facebook.
mrmoshpotato
Jen: Well, if all of you Trump-humping, bloodthirsty motherfuckers enlist…
Seriously, the goddamn DC press corpse…
Soprano2
Yes, they were, and the truth is that it didn’t make that much difference, just like I kept telling people it wouldn’t. For awhile literally every person I talked to about the difficulty of finding help would start their reply with something about those lazy moochers sitting on their asses collecting unemployment. I talked to our resident ex-cop about it a few weeks ago; I asked him why, if that was what was causing the problem, do I still see signs at most businesses that they’re hiring (in this city at least if you don’t have a job right now it’s because you don’t want one or can’t work)? The answer – those lazy moochers just saved that money and it hasn’t run out yet (after 2 months), and as soon as it runs out you’ll see! They will not let go of this idea even in the face of clear evidence that it’s not true.
There go two miscreants
@Skepticat: a large
amountNUMBERNo, your correction implies that the reporter thinks of them as individual people.
Soprano2
@germy: Wow, now I’m going to have a tiny bit of guilt as I burn the pages of Ann Coulter’s books. She really did sour on Trump, didn’t she?
mrmoshpotato
@MomSense:
What? No screaming whiny bullshit on Twitter at 3AM? Is Biden even President? Let’s ask Van Jones!
Betty Cracker
Some months ago when antichoice bills like the one in Texas weren’t yet law, Kay said that gutting Roe would make every woman’s pregnancy everyone’s business in an intolerable way.
Well, here we are.
mrmoshpotato
@rikyrah: I have some bad news. Three is no longer the magic number. It’s now 20.
Soprano2
Whatever happened to the idea that if you didn’t do anything wrong you shouldn’t be worried? That’s what they said when Democrats protested the huge expansion of government surveillance rights under the Patriot Act. I think Republicans are going to find out that this law can be used against them, too. They never can imagine it happening to themselves, or people they like, until it does.
debbie
@MomSense:
I heard it, and I’m glad neither of us are driving! Even worse was Rachel’s soft, little voice of concern. Oy.
EM
I only wish he gave that speech in prime time.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Chief Oshkosh: The Midwest is Y’all Quaeda taking territory.
I realize it’s just an analogy and we’re in a less extreme situation. But then I look at the Texas abortion law and think it’s the same kind of cultural struggle.
Booger
@MomSense: I screamed at that asshole more than anyone on the radio in years. What a failed father…
mrmoshpotato
@germy: I see Ann’s mortal remains are still around.
Soprano2
I heard part of that. I turned it off when it came on again. I’m so old I remember Republicans going on Fox all outraged when the widow of a soldier who was killed in Niger went on TV and said Trump told her that her husband “knew what he signed up for”. I personally feel that it’s wrong for news organizations to talk to these people right now. They are raw and hurting, and I’m sure that lashing out in this way makes the father feel better, but it doesn’t really do anyone any good. Unsurprisingly for someone who I’m sure didn’t vote for Biden, he didn’t know about the card Biden always carries with the number of our war dead. I bet Trump couldn’t ever have told him how many war dead we had under his watch, but I’m sure this father would have felt proud to meet Trump. *puke* People say all kinds of insensitive stuff to you after a loved one dies, although I think people are better now compared to when my father died in 1982.
Baud
@Betty Cracker:
Your womb belongs to Balloon Juice now.
Jo Jo las Orejas
@Baud:
¡El guapo y sabio Baud! Siento que comprendes mi difícil situación. Si no puedo tomar mi bola verde gigante, tal vez usted le diga a mi mamá que lleve mi bola de risa para el viaje de 4 meses. Hace una risa loca cuando lo persigo. Creo que a mi mamá le gusta especialmente despertarse a las 3 de la mañana para escucharlo y pensar que un amigo ha llegado por una ventana en medio de la noche.
mrmoshpotato
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
Since the 1860’s I would say. Take that ended-war-who-couldn’t-even-drink!
mrmoshpotato
@JPL: Did you just imply that that ghoul should care about the people in her district?
Betty Cracker
Regarding the NPR interview with the father of a servicemember who died in Afghanistan, are y’all talking about the Mark Schmitz interview? I heard it too, and I’m not understanding all the outrage, so I’m wondering if there was another interview I missed.
mrmoshpotato
@Quinerly: Haha, you totally reminded me of Esteban Colberto!
Geminid
I see that headlines from various news outlets covering the Presidents speech describe him as “defiant.” Considering that Joe Biden is defying the broadly unpopular military-industrial complex, foreign policy establishment and national news media, “defiant” is a positive quality. After all, the valiant starship captain Ben Sisko commanded the Defiant, not the Compliant.
mrmoshpotato
@Jeffro: Give Saxon – Solid Ball of Rock a try.
Soprano2
Tankersley is taking a lot of shit on Twitter for the question in that last tweet. He’s saying he asked it because he wanted “clarification” on something Biden said, not because he’s a warmonger. I think it’s a dumb question, asking about future actions no one can possibly know about.
Ken
“Does the president envision any situation in which he might deploy a large amount of U.S. troops abroad under his presidency?”
“I’m not promising anything, but if the nation’s fifty most important reporters were to — against all US advice — fly into Afghanistan and be captured by a splinter ISIS faction, we might have to consider going in to rescue them.”
Baud
@Quinerly:
Lleve la bola de risa en su viaje.
@Jo Jo las Orejas:
Lo hecho.
NotMax
@Quinerly
Una palabra: Log.
:)
Baud
@Ken:
We would?
Starfish
@rikyrah: We need a front page post on this topic.
mrmoshpotato
@NotMax: Classic.
Starfish
Frontera Fund is going to need support even though there is not much they can do as they figure out what it is they can do.
Avow could probably use some support too.
JPL
@mrmoshpotato: Caring for others might be difficult for her. She sure does act like she has something to hide though.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Damn, I having flash backs to those two retired goverment aholes and thier bullshit in that game I ran. What the living fuck is wrong with these people? It’s like they are some libertarian nightmare of a bureaucrat that Scott Adam’s came up for Dilbert that escaped into the real world “Hello, my name Reynolds, I am the group disablerer. My passion is making sure no project succeeds. I can talk for hours in a meeting and say nothing useful and i volunteer for jobs I don’t intend to do. Beyond that, I have no measurable skills at anything.”. How does someone like that function in life and not end up homeless?
Starfish
@Soprano2: A lot of terrible people are “just asking questions” when they are confronted with their behavior.
Ken
@Baud: We might.
Roger Moore
@Soprano2:
We’re talking about the Republicans, here. Neither intellectual consistency, nor innocence of wrongdoing, is on the table.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Baud:
This is my not-shocked face
Starfish
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Soprano2:
Hear, hear.
schrodingers_cat
@rikyrah: NYT only cares about whatever centers Republicans and their base.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
this has probably already been posted, but Jeet Heer went spelunking through Richard Engel’s tweets
Joe Falco
@Ken:
Operation The Expendables 4
AWOL
@Dorothy A. Winsor: She, and a few other conservatives, are signaling to their cultists that they are now paleocons. It’s similar to the way Republicans suddenly become Libertarians when a scandal emerges, an election is lost . . .
Quinerly
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
Please don’t encourage him. He has threatened to tell the Espanola Humane Society when we visit his “humble roots.” We have planned a visit with the nice woman who facilitated his adoption and with the vet who fixed his badly broken leg at age 6 weeks. That’s where he learned Spanish… Living with the vet and his family while he recovered before I adopted him in Feb 2020. The first few weeks I had him he didn’t know any English. True Story.
L85NJGT
Jen should have offered to put them on the next USAF flight to Haiti.
Their entire conception of Afghanistan is from being flown into Bagram and recording POTUS slinging turkey dinners.
lowtechcyclist
@Starfish:
Seconded.
And they’re fucking cowards, doing this in the middle of the night. Was this another of those ‘shadow docket’ cases?
Brachiator
What? WTF?
I am not a super political junkie, but I cannot recall any president within my news watching lifetime being asked if they might be thinking about starting a war sometime. Or if they had the gonads to start a war. Or if they thought that war was cool.
What the hell is wrong with these cretins?
MontyTheClipArtMongoose
@Baud: sebastian bach knows
MontyTheClipArtMongoose
@hueyplong: b+1 : the intellectual journal of endstage kapitalism
an spring 2022 april fools edition of the jacobin
MontyTheClipArtMongoose
@hueyplong: are the gqp diehards losing faith in reinstallation of the maralago regime
Brachiator
@Enhanced Voting Techniques:
I actually knew someone like this. Worked on a project with him. At one point I had to give him pointless busy work so he would not slow things down.
He was a champion bullshit artist. Got promoted twice before he got found out and dumped.
MomSense
@Soprano2:
I said the exact same thing to my mom this morning. BTW it happened to me. I was caught up in the W administration’s warrantless wiretapping because I was part of the peace action network. I’m sure the NSA found our rantings and protest planning super interesting.
Cameron
Apparently the war-hungry press has never heard of contingency plans. But why give them something else to chew on?
J R in WV
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Spelunking is something you do in a natural cavern, not something you do in a sewer. What Jeet Heer has done is far more like working in a very failed sewer system than exploring a cave.
Quinerly
@NotMax: ?
Soprano2
This morning I listened to the speech Biden gave yesterday. I hope all the Democrats defend it, because it was an excellent speech. Biden has no fucks left to give about this subject, that’s for sure, and he cares a lot more about the men and women in the Armed Forces than he does about what any particular reporter or right wing hack might think about his actions. The ironic thing is that if TFG had done what Biden did, and given a speech anything at all like that speech, Republicans would be falling all over themselves to tell you what a great accomplishment it was, and how much TFG showed he cared about “the troops” because of doing it.
I was born in 1961; I thought we had always been at war, because I saw the reports about Vietnam every night on the CBS Evening News. It was strange to think about what it would be like if we weren’t fighting somewhere. Lots of kids will now have the same experience I did when we ended our participation in the war in Vietnam.
Oh, and all the Republicans who were wringing their hands and acting like they cared about the women and girls of Afghanistan are now on TV and the radio talking about how great the Texas abortion law is. Fuckers.
SFAW
@Baud:
Interesting, considering you don’t drive.
Starfish
@lowtechcyclist: Yes, by not doing anything to stop it, the law just went into effect.
Another Scott
@Starfish: Planned Parenthood should be flooding TX with information about RU-486 and how to get it by mail, etc.
We can’t let the monsters win this battle.
Grrr…
Cheers,
Scott.
laura
@JPL: Imagine after suffering from a miscarriage facing a neighbor’s lawsuit because she/he doesn’t believe you.
Now imagine your nieghbor wanting the $10,000 bounty for alleging your miscarriage was an abortion.
Quinerly
@Baud: clearly, you have not experienced the “As Seen on TV” Giggle Ball. It was a gift from a dog park mom. I don’t think the mom likes us. JoJo tries to “pitch woo” to the lovely Luna. Her mom freaks out a bit. (Luna also isn’t allowed to drink water out of the dog park bowls. She has a bowl that matches her leash and collar) I laughingly said that Luna seems to like JoJo’s amorous advances. So the next day they gave us this used obnoxious Giggle Ball. We haven’t seen them since. ?
SFAW
@Brachiator:
Nerd alert/trigger warning!
At DEC (a/k/a Digital Equipment Corporation), there was a high-level manager — he may have been a VP at the time — named Gordon Bell. At one point, he issued a now-legendary (among the nerdigentsia) memo, proposing the creation of the NOD — the No Output Division. He proposed it in response to a meeting he attended where one or more bullshitters was/were in attendance. His rationale for the proposal was that said bullshitters not only did no useful work of their own; their behavior/performance prevented OTHERS from getting useful work done. Thus, throw them all in the NOD.
I have a photocopy of that memo somewhere in my morass of paper. It’s a keeper (unlike a lot of my other paper).
Matt McIrvin
@Soprano2: Some of the worst people around have been allies when it comes to being antiwar. The racist/fascist paleocons were always isolationists. Remember, some of Trump’s early support came from people who thought he was more dovish than the Democrats and that voting for him was a blow against Empire.
Coulter was a big warmonger back in the day, but her having come around on this doesn’t make her a better person than, say, Pat Buchanan. Any more than Max Boot is a good guy for hating Donald Trump.
L85NJGT
“Entergy” (there’s a name concocted by a NOD) spun up the natural gas peaker power plant they built in New Orleans. So at least some power will be available to critical infrastructure in the city as they repair the long haul lines.
Gin & Tonic
@rikyrah: In March or April of last year when my son’s funding was cut off and he was told to come back to the US because of the COVID (which he ended up ignoring) he got exactly one (1) notice from the government. 19 “not a lot”?? WTF?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@rikyrah: @Gin & Tonic: I saw that tweet yesterday. It’s just amazing how free reporters feel to just straight up pundit-ize, not even bothering to couch it in “many are saying…”. And to do it so stupidly
The Moar You Know
@germy: Huh. This is an interesting turn of events.
I give her credit for being prescient enough to see what a lot of folk both on her side and ours don’t: Trumpism is doomed.
J R in WV
@Brachiator:
A guy named Jim Tankersley asked “Does the president envision any situation in which he might deploy a large amount of U.S. troops abroad under his presidency?”. This was in Jen Psaki’s press briefing — I guess yesterday afternoon. I watched it in a video clip on twitter, so I assume it really happened just as it was shown in the video.
Apparently Tankersley is an economics reporter for the New York Times. I suppose he wondered if Biden might declare war upon Canada again if the economy needed a quick boost? Or maybe Mexico, after all we have fought a couple of wars with Mexico as well…
What a dumbass hypothetical place to wander off to, wondering if Biden was imagining a new war~!!~
Betty Cracker
@Another Scott: Wouldn’t that require the cooperation of prescribing MDs, who could then be hunted down by antichoice fanatics and turned in for a bounty? (In Texas, anyway.) I think we’ll see underground markets develop, possibly operated from abroad. Maybe preferable to coat hangers, but it won’t be safe. The situation is so horrible and depressing. I have no words.
Roger Moore
@Matt McIrvin:
Max Boot isn’t a nice guy, no matter how much he hates Donald Trump. The thing that makes him interesting is that he’s willing to acknowledge he was part of the problem. He has written about how and why he participated in the movement conservative stuff that helped to create monsters like Trump. I don’t agree with him on much beyond his hatred for Trump, but he’s definitely worth reading if you want to understand how conservative intellectuals wound up on the path to Trumpism.
Ksmiami
@Betty Cracker: Every single company located in texas should just leave. Make the state pay for their stupid extremism.
Jeffro
@mrmoshpotato: ha – will do!
Another Scott
@Betty Cracker: I have little doubt that the need will be satisfied, one way or another.
It’s obviously been horribly politicized by the monsters.
KFF.org:
Few rights are more fundamental than the right not to be forced to reproduce. If it’s not legal, people will break the law, or travel to where it is legal.
Cheers,
Scott.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Roger Moore: I didn’t read Max Boot’s book, or Stuart Stephens’, but from what I’ve heard them say in interviews and read in shorter pieces, they are the only significant never-trumpers (that I’m aware of) who have meaningfully addressed the racism of the GOP. Boot especially says mea culpa because his family fled the USSR in large part because of anti-semitism and he says he’s ashamed of himself for not acknowledging the dog-whistles.
Miss Bianca
@Roger Moore: I thought I wanted to understand how conservative intellectuals wound up on the path to Trumpism. Then I realized, after reading some of the mea culpas and watching their volte-faces after Biden’s decision to end the Afghan war, that I didn’t give a shit about their “intellectual development”. If they see the error of their ways and actually repent to the point of not repeating their errors, great. If not, fuck ’em. I’m done with trying to understand them, or listen to them justify themselves.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Brachiator: The two dears I had to deal with were loathed by most of the group to there was a plot to hunt one of them down and murder them that I had, to my annoyance, stop, and yet no one would call them on their bullshit and when I did start pushing back, dozens of people these same people tried to stop me. And again, this was just in a damn role playing game, not work.
sdhays
@Matt McIrvin: I still remember her rant that a previously seemingly respectable magazine actually published right after 9/11. She is a monster. A literal monster.
She soured on Dump because she’s a real deal bloodthirsty racist psychopath, and she got tired of being bullshitted about her firmly held, genocidal beliefs. Dump shares her beliefs, but what animates Dump is his own narcissism. He’s also fundamentally a coward and very, very stupid.
So for someone like Ann, he betrayed her, and she had such high hopes.
SFAW
@Miss Bianca:
I think I see your problem.
MontyTheClipArtMongoose
@L85NJGT: which el jefe de maralago never did
zhena gogolia
@germy:
One of the top replies is something like, “Trump would have listened to the advice of experts on the ground.”
Miss Bianca
@zhena gogolia: “Trump…would have *listened*”? Uhh…
debbie
@Betty Cracker:
I didn’t catch the name, but there was only one interview with a soldier’s father, so it must have been him. I think he got prickly at the very end of the interview.
Ben Cisco
@Geminid: I know the thread is long dead, but I see what you did there.