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You are here: Home / Foreign Affairs / Late Night Open Thread: The GOP Monsters Are Agitated

Late Night Open Thread: The GOP Monsters Are Agitated

by Anne Laurie|  August 15, 20223:05 am| 73 Comments

This post is in: Foreign Affairs, GOP Death Cult, Open Threads, Republicans in Disarray!, Trump Crime Cartel

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Bannon is melting down: “DOJ is lying. The FBI is lying. All of them are lying. Merrick Garland .. listen pipsqueak .. you’re a lawless scumbag! Suck on that. And the FBI is a bunch of lawless Gestapo!” pic.twitter.com/qJc0qstZK8

— Ron Filipkowski ???? (@RonFilipkowski) August 12, 2022

Were I TFG, I would be extremely polite to the Secret Service agents protecting my worthless hide. To my ears, Bannon and Gorka are tiptoeing up to the edge of suggesting that an assassination would solve a whole lot of problems. Trump’s no longer worth much as an asset, and Murphy the Trickster God knows he’s incapable of keeping his mouth shut about what he’s done and who he’s been running with. Certainly Trump’s two most powerful foreign handlers (Putin and MBS) have shown themselves capable of arranging the murder of troublesome individuals even at a great distance… and a martyred Fearless Leader as a sacred icon for the deluded rubes is a lot easier to promote than the messy narcissist currently holed up in Bedminster.

"This week has once again proved that there’s no rhetorical line Trump Republicans won’t cross, no outlandish charge they won’t make. It’s now all about one-upmanship, with each person trying to make a more freakish claim than the next." @TheAtlantic https://t.co/t6E6SIFSgl

— Peter Wehner (@Peter_Wehner) August 11, 2022

In a sane world, a partisan Republican reaction to the FBI’s search of former President Donald Trump’s Florida home on Monday would be something like this: We don’t believe Trump did anything wrong. We’re skeptical about the Department of Justice’s actions, but we’ll wait to see the evidence before we make any sweeping claims or definitive judgments. Unfortunately, the reaction online, in the right-wing media, and even among lawmakers has been far from sane. It’s been unhinged and ominous.

MAGA-world denizens have called for violence and civil war, so much so that the phrase civil war was trending on Twitter Monday night. One user on Trump’s social-media platform, Truth Social, said, “Fuck a civil war, give them a REVOLUTION. We out number all of the 10 to 1.”…

Sebastian Gorka, a former Trump adviser who now hosts a show on Salem Radio, said the FBI’s actions were “a declaration of war.” Monica Crowley, a right-wing commentator who worked in the Trump administration, tweeted, “This is it. This is the hill to die on.” Another popular right-wing talk-show host, Mark Levin, made this claim: “This is the worst attack on this republic in modern history, period.” For good measure, he added, “This is a Stalinist hunt.” And Stephen Miller, who worked closely with Trump in the White House, called the FBI’s action an “abomination” and made this historical comparison: “We are truly living in a situation where the FBI has become a Praetorian Guard from Rome where they take it unto themselves to decide who wields power in this country.”

Bannon, busily making the rounds, told the conspiracist Alex Jones, “I do not think it’s beyond this administrative state and their deep-state apparatus to actually try to work on the assassination of President Trump.” This charge was echoed by former New York City Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik, who said he is worried Democrats might try to assassinate Donald Trump. “I’m gonna tell you something: I’m not into conspiracies; I’m not into anti-government rhetoric,” Kerik said. “This is the first time in my lifetime that I would say I am deathly afraid for Donald Trump. I would not put assassination behind these people.”…

Seb Gorka tells Steve Bannon that he has an anonymous source inside the FBI who supposedly told him he believes they planted listening devices at Mar-a-Lago. pic.twitter.com/Fhm1Pwk4CN

— Ron Filipkowski ???? (@RonFilipkowski) August 14, 2022

Peter Navarro says the documents Trump had should never have been classified in the first place, and Trump needed them to let the American people know what was in them so we can stay out of wars and get more jobs. pic.twitter.com/ZMRc7Eon9G

— Ron Filipkowski ???? (@RonFilipkowski) August 12, 2022

And it’s not as though TFG can trust those people closest to him… a really dedicated MBA Master of the Universe would certainly do a strict cost-benefit analysis on the future profits to be garnered from further association with such a publicly downrated asset, versus the benefits of upgrading one’s business relationships with a known money-maker…

I mean, it's not like anyone in Trump's orbit has been given, say, $2 billion for no obvious reason. https://t.co/oO9BDUI8Hh

— Jeff Fecke (@jkfecke) August 13, 2022

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  1. 1.

    bluejersey43 (fka texasboyshaun)

    August 15, 2022 at 3:09 am

    “Sebastian Gorka, a former Trump adviser who now hosts a show on Salem Radio”

    Salem Radio hosting this ghoul is particularly ironic (and diabolical) because “Salem” means “peace”.

  2. 2.

    sab

    August 15, 2022 at 3:14 am

    Can’t we get UK or Hungary or wherever to take this guy back? ( I mean Gorka)

  3. 3.

    sab

    August 15, 2022 at 3:14 am

    @bluejersey43 (fka texasboyshaun): But in America it also means witch trials.

  4. 4.

    mrmoshpotato

    August 15, 2022 at 3:22 am

    The GOP Monsters Are Agitated

    And water makes things wet.

    Also, the GOP monsters are whiny bitches because they haven’t achieved the fascist “utopia” that they so yearn for jack off to not knowing it will destroy them too.

  5. 5.

    Gvg

    August 15, 2022 at 3:23 am

    You know, if Trump happened to die right now, some percent of Republicans especially right wing types would actually believe Garland, or Biden. Or the FBI or something within our own government had him killed and go completely off the deep end…..Putin could really do some damage to our country if he double crossed Trump right now and since he is in kind of a deep hole of his own making he might be desperate enough  to do it.

    It might even be hard for us to prove. Just to go all conspiracy on our side. Normally I just want Trump to croak. Been wishing for it for years now. But it just occurred  me that now isn’t the right time. Oh well. A trial and conviction is better for the country anyway.

  6. 6.

    mrmoshpotato

    August 15, 2022 at 3:31 am

    “This week has once again proved that there’s no rhetorical line Trump Republicans won’t cross, no outlandish charge they won’t make. It’s now all about one-upmanship, with each person trying to make a more freakish claim than the next.” @TheAtlantic

    Did Peter write this?  Is the article his own work?

    Pete.  Come here.  The entire party has been a freakshow at least since 1990.  Remember the name of that shitbag Newt Gingrich?  Yeah.  Sorry.  It’s not Dump that turned the party into a shitpile.  No, oh no.

  7. 7.

    Tony Jay

    August 15, 2022 at 3:32 am

    If one were to pin a cockroach to a wall with a needle and get up really, really close with a magnifying glass, I suppose all of its thrashing and twitching and suchlike before it dies would look a lot more impressive too. Get in even closer, attach some tiny little electrodes to its insect brain, and all the whizzing neurons would look a lot like this; busy, hectic and, ultimately, pretty fucking pointless.

    Unless someone takes the needle out, then it would just scuttle away. Those fuckers can survive more or less anything, if you let them.

    Meanwhile, over here, the next Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is accusing the entire British Civil-Service of being ‘Woke’ and ‘antisemitic’ for including within its ranks people who still stubbornly believe that Palestinians are human beings too. It’s not gone over well, but it has been ‘interesting’ to see the FTF Guardian cover-jumping around like a Patriot Front newbie on a Militia training weekend trying to ignore the enormous, mendacious hypocrisy of that rag in particular taking the time and effort to clarify how one cannot be ‘Woke’ and ‘antisemitic’ at the same time without once mentioning its own sustained campaign to equate the two things when that helped elect more and worse Tories.

    I guess, in the end, the Right are all just a bunch of spasming cockroaches.

  8. 8.

    sab

    August 15, 2022 at 3:34 am

    Five or ten years ago would you have even considered that comment?

    I never thought I would want a t-shirt “I miss the norms”.

    Addresed to Gvg @#5

  9. 9.

    sab

    August 15, 2022 at 3:37 am

    @Tony Jay: New political polarity: cockroaches v tardigrades.

  10. 10.

    Tony Jay

    August 15, 2022 at 3:45 am

    @sab:

    I’m backing the cute micro-cows all the way.

  11. 11.

    Patricia Kayden

    August 15, 2022 at 3:46 am

    Why would Democrats want to assassinate a raving mad lunatic who does an excellent job of self sabotage every time he opens his lying mouth? We beat him by 8 million votes in 2020 and nothing has changed to indicate that we won’t beat him like a drum again in 2024. We still hate his guts.

  12. 12.

    frosty

    August 15, 2022 at 3:48 am

    … and a martyred Fearless Leader as a sacred icon for the deluded rubes is a lot easier to promote than the messy narcissist currently holed up in Bedminster.

    Truth. But let’s hope we don’t go there.

  13. 13.

    Odie Hugh Manatee

    August 15, 2022 at 3:51 am

    Excuse my french, but I am fucking sick and tired of the fucking worthless fucking press fucking amplifying the anger of the fucking morons who support that fucking traitor who they elected in 2016. Nobody in the worthless fucking press wants to ask regular fucking people their fucking opinion of the stupid fuckers who are calling for for a fucking civil war because the fucking traitorous criminal they worship got caught with the fucking nations secrets hidden in his fucking hotel.

    The worthless fucking press wants a fucking civil war because it’s owned by fucking wealthy assholes who hate Democrats, so they crank up the fucking anger and hate. They feed it and watch it burn.

    Carry on…

  14. 14.

    Tony Jay

    August 15, 2022 at 3:55 am

    @Patricia Kayden:

    Democrats wouldn’t. Republicans and the interests they serve quite conceivably would, though, and having made the decision would find it trivially easy in the modern media environment to redirect the blame away from themselves by pointing leftwards and screaming “They Did It!!!” over and over and over again.

    Evidence? Common sense? Cui Bono? Pfffft. Headlines, baby.

  15. 15.

    frosty

    August 15, 2022 at 3:55 am

    @Tony Jay: So you’re saying I should drop my Grauniad subscription? And here I thought the Brits might do a better job of covering the USA than our miserable media.

    Got any alternatives? I gave up my Baltimore Sun when the Tribune bought them out. LA Times is a little squirreley too.

  16. 16.

    eclare

    August 15, 2022 at 4:01 am

    @Tony Jay:   I agree.

  17. 17.

    The Moar You Know

    August 15, 2022 at 4:08 am

    A societal collapse of the United States is not going to be a moneymaker for anyone in either the short or long term.  The money people better get to work on containing this monster they have made.

  18. 18.

    Martin

    August 15, 2022 at 4:09 am

    “Now they’re calling for violence”

    da fuck, man. They’ve been calling for violence since the 90s. Bombing abortion clinics and killing doctors, blowing up federal buildings. The GOP always denounced them, while motivating them to do more.

  19. 19.

    Tony Jay

    August 15, 2022 at 4:09 am

    @frosty:

    Gawd no. The FTF Guardian’s coverage of American politics is locked into a narrative where Republicans are awful but oh so entertaining, while the Democratic Party is boring, doomed to failure, and a constant disappointment to the true progressive hyperminds who dominate that rag’s America-centric opinion space.

    They don’t cover it this way because they actually believe it, they cover it this way because they sell more subscriptions with Republicans in office and they know that attacking the Democrats from the Right would offend their readership. Much easier to side with the kewl kidz and snipe from the farther shores of corporate friendly faux leftism.

    Which is exactly the scenario they’re looking forward to applying to UK politics. Just as soon as Starmer’s handlers in the Labour Party have succeeded in expelling and purging the centre-left from any chance of getting into power and actually doing any good.

    And the BBC is even worse. It’s entire US narrative can be summed up as “Things our correspondent was told over a couple of cocktails by a low-level Republican staffer and then confirmed by watching CNN for an hour.”

  20. 20.

    MattF

    August 15, 2022 at 4:11 am

    Just in case anyone imagined that there’s some line they won’t cross… They are, quite specifically, demonstrating that there is not. This is their game. Say anything. Accuse anyone, everyone of anything, everything. Be completely crazy. Show no limits because limits are for losers.

  21. 21.

    Lacuna Synecdoche

    August 15, 2022 at 4:15 am

    Steve Bannon via Anne Laurie @ Top:

    “DOJ is lying. The FBI is lying. All of them are lying. Merrick Garland .. listen pipsqueak .. you’re a lawless scumbag! Suck on that. And the FBI is a bunch of lawless Gestapo!”

    So, if I understand Bannon and the GOP correctly, what they’re trying to say is:

    Donald Trump is so strong, even pipsqueak Democrats can bully him.

  22. 22.

    eclare

    August 15, 2022 at 4:18 am

    @Tony Jay:   Wow.  I just googled and read an article about her remarks.

  23. 23.

    MattF

    August 15, 2022 at 4:22 am

    @eclare: Truss’s competition (Sunak?) is actually worse.

  24. 24.

    Tony Jay

    August 15, 2022 at 4:30 am

    @eclare:

    I know, right? And because she’s white she’s going to be the next PM.

    I think her big mistake here was in misunderstanding the role accusations of antisemitism play in modern British political discourse. It’s been refashioned purely as a tool to attack elements of the Left by adopting the Israeli Right’s definition of antisemitism (not fully supporting Israel’s right to do WTF it wants in all circumstances) and delegitimising any kind of pro-Palestinian, anti-apartheid activism as Nazism in cloth caps and skinny jeans.

    She tried to wield it as a weapon against the mostly centre-right Civil-Service, thinking that she’d get away with it because, obviously, the people who really matter understand that what she said was part of a plan to realign Britain fully with the wider Global Right in which Israel (and its supporters) is a player.

    Saying the quiet parts out loud. Tut-Tut. Such an amateur.

  25. 25.

    mrmoshpotato

    August 15, 2022 at 4:42 am

    @Odie Hugh Manatee: I passed your comment through Google Translate.  No French was detected.

  26. 26.

    oatler

    August 15, 2022 at 5:25 am

    MSM has condemned these right-wing domestic extremists…

  27. 27.

    Brachiator

    August 15, 2022 at 5:37 am

    In a sane world, a partisan Republican reaction to the FBI’s search of former President Donald Trump’s Florida home on Monday would be something like this: We don’t believe Trump did anything wrong. We’re skeptical about the Department of Justice’s actions, but we’ll wait to see the evidence before we make any sweeping claims or definitive judgments. Unfortunately, the reaction online, in the right-wing media, and even among lawmakers has been far from sane. It’s been unhinged and ominous.

    January 6 should have convinced everyone that we left sanity behind a long time ago. Trump sees himself as above the law, and his gullible base are right there beside him. Trump will tell any lie that will make himself look good as he ceaselessly works hard to evade being held accountable for his actions. The survival of his ego and reputation, his brand, is as important as protecting his life.

    What I still have not heard is a plausible explanation as to why the GOP leadership continues to back Trump, and why they are willing to see democracy snuffed out rather than bring him to heel.

    This charge was echoed by former New York City Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik, who said he is worried Democrats might try to assassinate Donald Trump.

    The subtext here is that the Democrats are the enemy of the people and the only true, genuine and patriotic party with the interests of the country and its people are the Republicans. It is another Nudge towards populist authoritarianism.

  28. 28.

    Baud

    August 15, 2022 at 5:51 am

    Sounds like the fascists realize Trump is a liability and are planning to take him out and blame the libs for it.

  29. 29.

    Geminid

    August 15, 2022 at 5:53 am

    Yesterday Florida Governor Ron DeSantis rallied with Republicans in Carlsbad, New Mexico and Phoenix, Arizona. He denounced Covid lockdowns and warned of the virus of “Wokeness.” Arizona Governor candidate Kari Lake marveled at the “BDE”- Big DeSantis Energy- at the Phoenix rally. The few pictures I saw showed DeSantis scowling.

  30. 30.

    Brachiator

    August 15, 2022 at 5:53 am

    @Tony Jay:

    Meanwhile, over here, the next Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is accusing the entire British Civil-Service of being ‘Woke’ and ‘antisemitic’ for including within its ranks people who still stubbornly believe that Palestinians are human beings too.

    Liz Truss is effortlessly picking up where Boris Johnson left out. This is a double slap at the Civil Service. Previously,  Tory grandees like Jacob Rees-Mogg claimed that the Civil Service lacked sufficient belief in the power of BREXIT and were thus deliberately sabotaging economic recovery.

    I thought that Priti Patel was vile, but Truss is in a class by herself.

  31. 31.

    Ruckus

    August 15, 2022 at 6:00 am

    @Odie Hugh Manatee:

    I like your french. It’s telling me that we agree both in subject and degree. Decades of actual progress towards controlling the extremely wealthy segment of our country that thinks we are not making them wealthier fast enough, a situation that has fucked countries/societies for centuries, but mostly in the background such that it is somewhat difficult to notice. But modern communications has made it more difficult to hide not only the crimes but also the who is doing the criming, as well as making stirring up their supporters who have their heads up their hateful, racist asses, easier.

    The human race it at a crossroads. We can grow up and make the world a better place, we have the tools and the abilities, or we can let the wealthy continue to get wealthier all the while the rest of us end up becoming worse off. The fact that they would likely still be wealthy. just not as wealthy, while those that in general make them wealthier just trying to live is something those chowder heads can not stand or understand. I ask, isn’t the point of a democracy that every fucking boat is raised, not just the over built, over priced, over sized, over bullshited wealthy’s boats? If you take a hard look at our economy over the past few decades, the overwhelming majority have suffered and we finally have a president that recognizes that the Scrooge McDuck class of robber barons have fucked everyone else long enough. And that the rethuglican party is the political end all be all of the robber barons. It has been this way for my entire nearly 3/4 of a century of living. If they paid their fair share of taxes instead of paying fucking idiots to shout their bullshit politics and fuck up the country, they would still be about as wealthy, likely even more because the rest of us would be able to purchase their crap.  It is the political side of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

  32. 32.

    David 🌈☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    August 15, 2022 at 6:08 am

    @Brachiator: ​
      Would that be ex-con Bernard Kerik? Or is it the Bernard Kerik they through in prison for years for corruption?

  33. 33.

    David 🌈☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    August 15, 2022 at 6:16 am

    This is anything new.

    This is what has been going on Hate Radio for decades.

    There’s a local all sports station in my town, but between 9 PM and 5 AM they close down and run syndicated right wing talk shows. A month ago I had to go get some milk around 10PM, I start the car and radio starts screaming – SCREAMING – at me about Mexicans. The night time Hate shows couldn’t be more different, not only in substance, but in tone, than sports talk. They said nothing about the heat waves, nothing about gasoline, nothing Ukraine, nothing about the 1-6 hearings, nothing about Boris Johnson being forced to resign. It was non-stop SCREAMING about Mexicans.

  34. 34.

    Tony Jay

    August 15, 2022 at 6:23 am

    @Brachiator:

    Yup, she’s a peach. The perfect figurehead for this stage in Tory degeneration. Dumb, nasty, egotistical and clumsy, she’s Flobalob without the patina of overgrown boyish cheekiness the Media found so implausibly endearing.

    The usual suspects in the UK Media will be furiously slathering coats of Thatcherite Iron paint over the whole jury-rigged construction, but with even the nutters who make up the Tory Party membership recoiling a little from her grasping awfulness, I give her less than a year before there’s another Tory leadership debacle.

  35. 35.

    NeenerNeener

    August 15, 2022 at 6:25 am

    @Baud: ​
      Yep. If anything happens to Trump I’d look at DeSantis and Ted Cruz first….and maybe Don Jr.

  36. 36.

    eclare

    August 15, 2022 at 6:37 am

    @Geminid:   BDE…ewwww!

  37. 37.

    lowtechcyclist

    August 15, 2022 at 6:44 am

    Forget all the ‘was it classified’ stuff a moment. The Disgraceland* raid amounts to this:

    1) Man held onto property of the U.S. government.
    2) Didn’t give it back when asked.
    3) U.S. Government came and took it back. Duh.

    Somehow the wingnuts think this is outrageous.

    * Betty C’s excellent nomenclature, of course

  38. 38.

    greenergood

    August 15, 2022 at 6:47 am

    140,000 UK Conservative Party members, the vast majority of whom are English,  are going to ‘elect’ the future Prime Minister of England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales – a ‘Union’ of 60 million people.  71% of Tory Party membership is male, 80% belong to the ABC1 social class, 68% are over 65, the average age of the membership is 72. Democracy in action!

  39. 39.

    lowtechcyclist

    August 15, 2022 at 6:52 am

    @The Moar You Know:

    A societal collapse of the United States is not going to be a moneymaker for anyone in either the short or long term. The money people better get to work on containing this monster they have made.

    QFT.

  40. 40.

    Geminid

    August 15, 2022 at 6:54 am

    @NeenerNeener: I don’t think trump will be assasinated, but I still think there’s less than a 50-50 chance he’ll be a candidate for President as of January 1, 2024.

    Even if he runs trump will face strong competition. The big three will likely be DeSantis (if he wins reelection), Christie and Pompeo.

  41. 41.

    Baud

    August 15, 2022 at 6:56 am

    @greenergood:

    Wow.

  42. 42.

    different-church-lady

    August 15, 2022 at 7:04 am

    That is so obviously a guy in a bear suit.

  43. 43.

    Geminid

    August 15, 2022 at 7:09 am

    @Baud: Another reason I’m glad Democrats are not a membership party.

  44. 44.

    Tony Jay

    August 15, 2022 at 7:09 am

    @greenergood:

    Democracy is messy and uncontrollable, the News Media much prefer this, which has all of the horrible fascination of a creepy horror flick and guarantees them a future replete with spin-off storylines that don’t require anyone to muster any expertise in boring things like economics or civics or human nutrition.

  45. 45.

    satby

    August 15, 2022 at 7:10 am

    @Baud: that’s what it sounded like to me too. He’s worth more to them as a martyr now; and dead men stop telling stupid contradictory stories too.

  46. 46.

    gene108

    August 15, 2022 at 7:14 am

    @Geminid:

    The big three will likely be DeSantis (if he wins reelection), Christie and Pompeo.

    The only people who like Christie are the media folks that keep putting him on TV.

    I don’t think Pompeo is popular outside his old Congressional district.

    Cruz has name recognition, ambition, and like DeSantis comes from a populace state that could make it even more out of play for Democrats. Plus, Cruz came in second place in 2016. He clearly has a base of support among Republicans.

  47. 47.

    MagdaInBlack

    August 15, 2022 at 7:22 am

    @mrmoshpotato: I think he took the same French lessons I did.

  48. 48.

    different-church-lady

    August 15, 2022 at 7:27 am

    This is the hill to die on.

    We find your proposal acceptable.

  49. 49.

    Baud

    August 15, 2022 at 7:31 am

    @Geminid:

    I would never join a party that would have me as a member.

  50. 50.

    Mimi

    August 15, 2022 at 7:41 am

    @gene108: No one likes Ted Cruz. No one. I bet his kids change their names as soon as they’re legally able to do so.

    I don’t know why DeSantis isn’t as loathed, but he’s tolerated by people who ought to know better.

  51. 51.

    SFAW

    August 15, 2022 at 7:44 am

    @Baud: ​
     
    Not even the Pantsless Party? [As opposed to a pantsless party, which I know you’re good with.]

  52. 52.

    Geminid

    August 15, 2022 at 7:57 am

    @gene108: I think Christie would do well among Republicans in the Northeast, Middle Atlantic  and Midwest. I could see him winning  Virginia’s open primary. I don’t think he’d do so well down south and out west and would not win the nomination, but Christie believes in Christie and he’s going to try.

    Pompeo will have money because he’s a Koch man. I don’t count him out.

    Cruz may run just because his Senate race numbers may be bad. I think that nationally, Cruz’s time is past.

  53. 53.

    trnc

    August 15, 2022 at 8:10 am

    @The Moar You Know: A societal collapse of the United States is not going to be a moneymaker for anyone in either the short or long term.

    Sure, but we’re some way away from an outright collapse and you can bet your ass there’s a lot of money to be made along the way. Also safe to say that anyone making money will not stop voluntarily. The fossil fuel industry and climate change would be but one concrete example of this.

  54. 54.

    lowtechcyclist

    August 15, 2022 at 8:17 am

    @trnc:

    Sure, but we’re some way away from an outright collapse and you can bet your ass there’s a lot of money to be made along the way. Also safe to say that anyone making money will not stop voluntarily. The fossil fuel industry and climate change would be but one concrete example of this.

    There’s a big difference in timescales here.  Even if we did nothing about climate change, we’d probably still be a functioning society 30 years from now.  So if you’re a 55 year old (or older) oil industry exec, you’re not worried about climate change taking away your wealth.

    But if the wingnuts precipitate a genuine societal breakdown, that’s going to happen in the next decade if it happens at all.  There won’t be that much time for rich people to enjoy being rich before it all hits the fan.

  55. 55.

    Wilson Heath

    August 15, 2022 at 8:19 am

    These cretins got sinecures in the government and still don’t know how it works.

    The “administrative state” does not just go around wantonly assassinating former presidents.

    That would be a final agency action that needs to undergo notice and comment first.

    Duh.

  56. 56.

    Baud

    August 15, 2022 at 9:32 am

    @Wilson Heath:

    Most people won’t get that, but I do, and the humor is very much appreciated.

  57. 57.

    Odie Hugh Manatee

    August 15, 2022 at 9:34 am

    @mrmoshpotato:

    I’m half French so I guess it’s all French! :)

    @Ruckus

    We’re on the same page…

     

  58. 58.

    Taxesmycredulity

    August 15, 2022 at 10:26 am

    There is no shortage of RWNJs who want a civil war or revolution, and I think there are plenty of unhinged folks out there who believe that if they assassinated TFG, they could made it look like the Libs did it and not only ignite the war but create the martyr they long for.

  59. 59.

    Chief Oshkosh

    August 15, 2022 at 11:18 am

    @mrmoshpotato: Totally agree. Hell, even Newt was simply the “smartest” among the smarm. He simply realized before the others that the time was right for going all-in on designating Democrats as The Enemy. The GOP was and is all about power and money, going back at least to the Great Depression. FDR and WWII saved the top 1% from a Czarist fate. The smart ones knew this and kept things going along, slowly ceding party involvement and power to the wackos that they had to keep bringing on board in order to win elections and retain power. They’ve finally lost control of the party, but they haven’t lost their power – they’re stronger.

  60. 60.

    artem1s

    August 15, 2022 at 11:39 am

    The latest obfuscation that TFG “declassified the documents anyway, so it doesn’t matter” is just an extension of the Big Lie. Jones and the other conspiracy nuts are claiming the rightful President is really running a shadow government from MAL and always has been. By repeating these nutjobs, the MSM is continuing to shore up the ‘stop the steal’ contingency and participating in an active attempt to overthrow the government and obstruct the investigation. How about Liz sends this message to the MSM and the wingnut arm of the GQP in the next 1/6 hearing meeting? Do you have the stones to extend the investigation to your pals in the media Liz? Are you willing to tell your pets at the FYNYT that if they continue to f**k around they will find out what it’s like to have a warrant issued to their homes?

    This misinformation BS is why the DOJ’s job is so much harder than than the committee’s. It’s a never ending line of assholes digging the conspiracy hole even deeper.

  61. 61.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    August 15, 2022 at 11:42 am

    Were I TFG, I would be extremely polite to the Secret Service agents protecting my worthless hide. To my ears, Bannon and Gorka are tiptoeing up to the edge of suggesting that an assassination would solve a whole lot of problems.

    Going by the quotes and the way the loony right projects on the left what they want to do, means they really want Trump assassinated.  On the other hand these guys aren’t doers.

    Hmm that would be bizarre and way to typical if one of Trump’s own loony fan base heard Bannon’s and Gorka subtext, murdered Trump and then the MAGA hats flip out about it was a false flag by the Democrats.

  62. 62.

    Chief Oshkosh

    August 15, 2022 at 11:44 am

    @Brachiator:

    The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand.

  63. 63.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    August 15, 2022 at 11:46 am

    @Patricia Kayden: Consider this – Steve Banon knows that. he also knows that American love Mystery Boxes over something known.  A dead Trump would out poll a live Biden and make Trumpism a sacred cause like Reganism was to the Right.

  64. 64.

    Chief Oshkosh

    August 15, 2022 at 11:51 am

    @Mimi:

    I don’t know why DeSantis isn’t as loathed, but he’s tolerated by people who ought to know better.

    He knows the right people to hurt, and he hurts them very publicly. He can do this because he is a chief executive, as opposed to Cruz and others of similar persuasion.

  65. 65.

    Matt McIrvin

    August 15, 2022 at 12:06 pm

    @Patricia Kayden: 2016 made me eternally skeptical of the notion that there is any behavior so outrageous that it will definitely self-sabotage an election campaign. But, of course, actually making Trump into a martyr would probably immensely help the right–I guarantee you DeSantis would not hesitate to make hay of it the moment the literal actual Trump is out of his way. Alive, Trump is a liability for him.

  66. 66.

    Matt McIrvin

    August 15, 2022 at 12:10 pm

    @Mimi: I think DeSantis is better than Cruz at playing the red-meat game. He has more power to do it because he’s a governor–the Texas equivalent would be Abbott.

  67. 67.

    JaneE

    August 15, 2022 at 12:12 pm

    It isn’t as if everyone didn’t know Trump was a security risk before he was elected.  It did not get better.  Just look at the Jared security clearance saga, or the numerous reports of casually handled documents.  I don’t think that I was the only person in the country who thought he might be a Russian asset, if not before the election then soon after.

    If the GOP wants to hang their hat on treason is patriotism, let them.

  68. 68.

    Chris Johnson

    August 15, 2022 at 12:41 pm

    @JaneE: Obviously not as I’ve been howling about that for ages. Not only he but also Bannon and a bunch of others (Rand Paul? Tulsi Gabbard? Jill Stein) are russian assets of various sorts.

    I’m not at all happy that Bannon and his ilk are trying to establish that Dark Brandon is going to assassinate Donald Trump. Because to me, that says the following: Putin owns Bannon. Putin owns Trump (doubtless Ivana too, at least enough to use her as an example) and tons of Republicans.

    And part of what you see is that they believe if they don’t serve their master, he will kill them.

    And if Bannon is putting out this message, it means Putin thinks he can use Trump better as a corpse.

    The question isn’t ‘is that true’ because it obviously is. None of this has ever been about getting Republicans power. It’s been about inciting a civil war. And you can’t say ‘that can’t happen, nobody here would benefit from that’. Somebody not here would. Or believes he would.

    The question is whether Putin can in fact get Trump killed, or whether the Secret Service protecting him serves the USA and not Russia. If they serve the USA they keep Trump alive and able to face justice.

    I think if we’re all aware of what Russia has done, it becomes harder for Russia to be able to just reach out and murder people, even their own people (Epstein?). There has to be a bunch of infiltration to support that kind of thing, and though Russia can do that, they also thought they could invade Ukraine.

    They’re gangsters, not demons. There’s limits to how all-powerful criminal assholes can actually be.

  69. 69.

    Noskilz

    August 15, 2022 at 1:16 pm

    Bannon’s assassination-mongering sounds particularly  bizarre because it’s hard to see how a dead Trump particularly solves more problems that he creates for anyone on the government side – he’s an enthusiastic, life-long criminal, but not what you’d call a smooth criminal.

    The Trumpalos are probably just going with the assassination nonsense because it’s a bit of potential dramatic victimization that sounds like the pop-culture plot lines they keep mistaking for reality. When your golden cow craps himself this spectacularly, there may not be much else to work with.

    I can see why anyone involved with Trump’s various crimes is probably very worried, but at this point how much good would a dead Trump do even them? Some of them are very stupid, reckless people, but I doubt killing him would actually improve their situations.

    If the FBI has enough evidence to get a judge to sign off on searching Mar-a-Lago as part of something that looks a lot like a criminal investigation, it doesn’t sound like that much of a reach for one to approve surveillance and wiretaps, particularly when the investigation seems to involve incredibly sensitive stolen intelligence.

    And then there is the matter that he has a Secret Service security detail – they work for the government, not Trump. If you recall the way he and his cronies acted around a documentary film crew, I doubt they were any more cautious around Secret Service members who they may have just taken for granted were his faceless minions. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of his detail aren’t pretty Trumpy, but are even those Trumpy enough to want to be accessories to crimes involving state secrets?

    I’ve read that 60 days of Mar-a-Lago security footage has been subpoenaed and that the recovered documents will be checked for fingerprints.

    It makes me wonder how thoroughly compromised Trump’s little crime family is and maybe explains why he hasn’t had his passport revoked despite being what would seem to be an obvious flight risk. Perhaps he’s been spending the last several months bopping around in a goldfish bowl with no real out other than a low-speed chase in a golf cart.

  70. 70.

    Miss Bee

    August 15, 2022 at 1:55 pm

    @bluejersey43 (fka texasboyshaun):

    I thought Salem meant witch hunts.

  71. 71.

    Noskilz

    August 15, 2022 at 2:11 pm

    @Noskilz:

    Perhaps Trump’s passport has been revoked after all:
    Trump claims FBI seized his passports during Mar-a-Lago search: ‘This is an assault!’

  72. 72.

    SWMBO

    August 15, 2022 at 2:53 pm

    @Odie Hugh Manatee: ​
     
    You mean I’ve been fucking bilingual all this time and didn’t know it?! Get the fuck outta here!

  73. 73.

    Jack Hughes

    August 15, 2022 at 6:33 pm

    For the MAGA cult, Trump can do no wrong. Trump can only be wronged.

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