Stop and watch this video.
Whatever you thought about the governors' stunt… it turns out it was worse.pic.twitter.com/GASpsChOzl
— John Scott-Railton (@jsrailton) September 16, 2022
*link to the tweetcames from Patrick II
This post is in: Immigration, Open Threads, The Republican Crime Syndicate
Stop and watch this video.
Whatever you thought about the governors' stunt… it turns out it was worse.pic.twitter.com/GASpsChOzl
— John Scott-Railton (@jsrailton) September 16, 2022
*link to the tweetcames from Patrick II
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Old School
So infuriating.
I hope things work out for those immigrants.
topclimber
I know it is too much to hope for from the Village, but this this AButt and CockFellow move by two GOP governors needs to be contrasted with Biden’s United We Stand rally.
C Stars
The time and resources they spent on trying to totally and completely destroy these random people that they found on a street corner is shocking. My god. This is what the GOP wants–from the family separations to this: they want blood and suffering.
Jim Appleton
Sadly, about half of our compatriots will see and understand the vileness, and yet say, “Yeah, that’s about right.”
Ksmiami
@C Stars: when your entire platform is built on grift, greed and hate, you gotta always have someone to scapegoat or punch down… the GOP is a domestic terrorist organization full stop.
Alison Rose 💙🌻💛
Their gleeful cruelty truly knows no bounds. And yet they will still claim to be the good ones.
Old School
SiubhanDuinne
I am sobbing in fury at this. I have a pretty good imagination, but I’m stymied when it comes to dreaming up anything remotely appropriate to visit on Abbott, DeSantis, and their enablers. Truly, I know the cruelty is the point with these loathsome specimens, but I don’t know how even the most loathsome can be this cruel.
Omnes Omnibus
@SiubhanDuinne: Normies are getting a look at the real DeSantis and they are not going to like what they see.
oatler
Kos has a story that Federal DHS agents helped DeSantis with his roaring piece of work.
FelonyGovt
The gleeful pulling-wings-off-flies hostility and cruelty is reaching a fever pitch. I hope this comes to the attention of the great mass of people who don’t pay attention to politics, the non-voters, etc. and that they are rightly outraged just as we are.
Matt McIrvin
@Omnes Omnibus: Are you sure they won’t like it? My impression is that performative cruelty to immigrants is actually pretty popular.
JMG
@oatler: One of the attorneys who’ve been working with the refugees made that charge. That would quickly move this stunt from dick move to conspiracy to commit a federal crime.
H.E.Wolf
I’ve always liked the aphorism “Revenge is a dish best served cold”. Let’s wipe the smirks off the faces of these disgusting would-be Toad Kings with our election results in November.
Jeffro
It’s a good point (and would make for a good ad)
“Governor DeSantis could have used the $12M (or $615k if you prefer) to do X, Y, or Z for Floridians. He could have tasked Henchman 1 and Henchman 2 to devote their taxpayer-paid time to any of 100 different, helpful jobs in the Sunshine State.
Instead, he chose to trick over four dozen human beings…IN ANOTHER STATE…into boarding two chartered aircraft and dropping them off 2,000 miles away, where they knew no one and no one knew they were coming. All so he could go on Fox News that night and crow about it.”
and so on
patrick II
From the Justice Department’s Civil Resource Manual
I would like to see them in jail, but I don’t think it will ever happen. Where is the “outer perimeter” of his/her official duties? With this Supreme Court, anywhere they want. If they could kidnap 4,000 immigrant children, they can probably do this.
sab
@Omnes Omnibus: Will normies get a look at this? Who is covering it besides BJ, Kos and MSNBC?
WaterGirl
@SiubhanDuinne: Prison comes to mind.
Laertes
O.O
SiubhanDuinne
@Omnes Omnibus:
I hope you’re right. It feels churlish even to consider electoral/political ramifications in the face of this human tragedy, but let’s hope those normies’ memories hold on through Election Day.
Betsy
Blood boiling.
But I would like to hope that several of these people will become individually well known as their cases make news. This will humanize the story and shock the majority of people. Their faces and stories will matter. The sensationalism will not play the way that Abbatoir and Deathsentence planned.
I hope and trust we will see this backfire awesomely in Desantis’ fat-eared face.
WaterGirl
@patrick II: Sued is one thing. Brought up on charges by the DOJ is another. Or at least it would seem so to me.
FelonyGovt
Chris Ciliiza thinks DeSantis is getting exactly what he wants out of this.
HumboldtBlue
@Omnes Omnibus:
He seems to be doubling down on being even nastier than Trump, and considering he keeps himself in a bubble where only sycophants get close, he thinks it’s gonna work for him.
That bubble is gonna burst if he thinks he’s gonna run nationally. Hell, he may not even beat Crist at this point.
@FelonyGovt:
Well, yeah, it’s Cilizza, he’s never shy about mansplaining assholes like DeSantis, it’s his gig.
Betsy
@patrick II: I think this is going to create a Section 1983 “under color of law” civil rights violation (where the official can be held personally liable, not just in their official capacity) as well as constituting fraudulent inducement, and the crimes possibly of false imprisonment or kidnapping depending on the facts.
Omnes Omnibus
@Matt McIrvin: Among whom?
WV Blondie
RAGE!
And I’d like to see Secretary Mayorkas’ response. And what does CBP commissioner Chris Magnus have to say about whether it was his agents who filled out the paperwork with the intentionally false addresses?!?
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus: OT, but I keep expecting to hear from the 11th Circuit today. Is that an unreasonable expectation?
Unless they all live in one great big cave, they have had a week or two to consider the situation.
Anonymous At Work
There’s a few dozen avenues for legal recourse. I, for one, would like to know who hired the female Coyote in Texas and whether all hiring was done through proper state channels or whether state funds were illegal intermixed with campaign election funds if she was hired by the DeathSantis or Abbottoir campaigns. Then we get into interfering with federal immigration matters, since they were not illegal border crossees hiding from ICE, but persons adjudged to be possible refugees seeking legal asylum in the country and being processed through the DHS San Antonio office.
Finally, multiple instances of fraud and deceptive inducement could point to personal liability. That they were landed in Martha’s Vineyard gives those local courts potential jurisdiction or kicks it to federal court.
Baud
@WaterGirl:
Yes, it’s unreasonable. DOJ hasn’t filed anything with the 11th Circuit for it to decide yet.
Omnes Omnibus
@WaterGirl: Entirely unreasonable.
patrick II
@WaterGirl:
I hope you are right. I am so worn out by of all of this lawbreaking with impunity.
Eduardo
@sab: I checked and is being covered in South Florida newspapers. And you bet every Venezuelan will follow that story closely.
WaterGirl
@FelonyGovt: I don’t know… it seems like there have to be limits to what non ultra-MAGA Republicans find acceptable behavior. I don’t dare discuss this with my religious sister because she will throw all the “babies being murdered” in my face.
I guess the true test is whether my other sister who pays no attention to the news will hear abut this and be turned off.
MisterForkbeard
@SiubhanDuinne: The problem is that Republicans know we won’t endanger innocent people and cause suffering to make a point. We’re not vindictive and we don’t revel in cruelty, and they know it.
But what would be an equally awful thing to do? Exporting violent criminals to Texas with guns, maybe.
WaterGirl
@Baud: @Omnes Omnibus: Thanks for the quick responses.
If I pay extra, can I get the response I hoped for?
Omnes Omnibus
@WaterGirl: Try it and see.
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus: Do you take American Express?
Baud
@WaterGirl:
Yes.
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus: Seriously, though.
I presume that the DOJ response to the 9/15 ruling was already written before 9/15. Is that a fair assumption? I mean, maybe some editing but surely this will be ready for filing on Monday?
Fair assumption?
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud: Slut.
WaterGirl
@Baud: I will take a sure thing over try it and see, any day!
Subsole
@FelonyGovt:
“Chris Cillizza thinks…”
I’m gonna have to stop you there.
Major Major Major Major
Looks like the 5th Circuit has decided that websites are obligated to host whatever nonsense users post, because the first amendment compels you to let other people do whatever they want on your private property.
RaflW
What the absolute f—! If these claims are corroborated, those DHS officers should be fired without recourse and barred from any future federal employment.
Joe Biden needs to get on this. God damn!
different-church-lady
We’re gonna need a bigger Justice Department…
Baud
@Major Major Major Major:
Is that the case where the Supreme Court previously granted a stay?
topclimber
One big place where AButt and CockFellow have miscalculated is that number of marginal GOP voters who might have felt threatened by economic competition from immigrants is a lot less in today’s full employment economy than what it was in the wake of the Great Recession.
Optimistically, I hope that they will be less able to count on misplaced hate toward immigrants (better directed at the underhanded employers who gladly hire undocumented workers and almost NEVER are prosecuted for it) and have only plain old hate to go on. For sure, that’s enough for many in their base, but doesn’t really motivate the not-foremost-a-shithead segment.
Granted, they may still hate. But enough to get off their asses to vote?
Omnes Omnibus
@WaterGirl: The 11th Cir. will expedite this, but I would not be surprised if it takes a couple of weeks. OTOH, they could and should impose a stay very quickly.
different-church-lady
@FelonyGovt: Well, it takes an asshole to know an asshole.
RaflW
@FelonyGovt: Ciliiza of course is a moron and the ultimate, top-flight brand ambassador for Our Failed Media Experiment.
RepubAnon
@JMG: It would be nice to see some immediate action to seize cell phones to protect data… followed by indictments.
different-church-lady
@RepubAnon: So they shouldn’t think about Hardee’s for lunch?
delphinium
@WaterGirl:
Sorry, I just don’t get this argument about ‘babies being murdered”. Does your sister not realize that Republicans get abortions too? Or does she think when they get them, it is okay?
And that the best, most proven way to reduce abortion is thru social programs/education-healthcare, family support, etc; which is what Democrats are actually doing.
MisterForkbeard
@WaterGirl: They absolutely had this gamed out and are already in the process of filing with the 11th circuit.
Emptywheel has talked about this some, but I don’t know if it’s based on concrete facts or just her general opinion of the DOJ.
different-church-lady
@delphinium: ONLY SLUTS GET ABORTIONS! WHEN THERE’S A GOOD REPUBLICAN REASON IT’S NOT AN ABORTION!!1!
delphinium
@Jeffro: Yes, this: it is investing in stunts, not states.
And I would think that as much as folks on the right scream about paying taxes, it might bother them a bit to continually be conned out of their money for this type of performative assholery.
Major Major Major Major
@Baud: district court stayed the law, 5ca stayed the stay, scotus stayed the law again, now 5ca has vacated the district court stay. I assume the scotus stay is still what actually matters though?
Matt McIrvin
@Omnes Omnibus: I’m just a bit cynical because of the number of times I’ve heard self-described liberal Democrats say “I’m the biggest commie hippie you ever saw but I don’t like all these immigrants swarming in here, I swear this town is like another country now,” etc., etc.
They tend to be people over 65 though.
different-church-lady
@delphinium: I know! That’s money that could be stolen for volleyball stadiums!
MisterForkbeard
@delphinium: The answer here is just that even when Republicans get abortions, they get it because Democrats allow and push for it. It’s a moral failure for the Republican and that can be forgiven, but the REAL killer is the Democrats who ‘encourage’ baby killing.
This is then extrapolated out to support all sorts of insane things. “Sure, our president put refugee kids behind chain link fences, took them away from their parents and sold them to white parents, but Democrats kill babies.” or “Yes, the Republicans literally tried to overthrow the government, but they did it so that baby killers wouldn’t be in power” etc.
SiubhanDuinne
STRZOK
ABBOTT
CILLIZZA
Major Major Major Major
@Matt McIrvin: NIMBYism is a form of conservatism that knows no other ideological bounds. ETA Reminds me of a tweet parodying those yard signs
different-church-lady
@SiubhanDuinne: Worst Wordle ever.
Barbara
@Omnes Omnibus: What they could do pretty well immediately is lift the stay imposed by the D.C. with respect to national security reviews. That was truly outrageous.
Also, just to reiterate something that really bothers me — my view all along is that mostly, the DOJ just wanted those documents back so that it could conduct a harm assessment and then decide whether indictment (and potentially further harm to U.S. interests) is in the best interests of national security. By publicizing the search warrant, and escalating at every turn, Trump has already damaged national security (who the fuck is going to trust us enough to share their own intelligence going forward?) and made it more likely that DOJ will indict him. Which says, to me, that he must be desperate to hang onto those documents for some reason.
So we can add national security to family values as completely made up rubbish that Republicans claim to care about. They might as well be toilet paper.
SiubhanDuinne
@different-church-lady:
First good laugh of this thread.
NorthLeft
Hopefully any federal personnel who participated in this will be quickly identified and interviewed by their supervisors.
At the least, they need to be re-trained to understand exactly who they work for, and what basic human decency is.
Continued employment is dependent on passing a decency test and working one hundred and twenty hours at a local homeless shelter or food bank.
Tony G
@Omnes Omnibus: Well, I hope so. At this point, however, I have a pretty low opinion of white people south of the Mason-Dixon Line — and maybe of white people in general. DeSantis and Abbot were elected by white people in their states, many of whom were well aware of what monsters they are.
different-church-lady
@NorthLeft: it’s possible they were lied to as well. Not probable, perhaps, but possible.
Geminid
Qatari media outlet AlJazeera reports another sad and shocking story, this one out of Iran:
Omnes Omnibus
@Matt McIrvin: It’s par for your general pessimism. :) This is publicly shitty behavior not quietly wishing the foreigners would go away. Have some fucking faith. Come on, man!
FelonyGovt
@SiubhanDuinne: Whoops. In my defense I don’t care enough about CNN’s Mr. C to worry about spelling his name right.
Baud
@Major Major Major Major:
Yes, I think so.
Tony G
@NorthLeft: What bothers me is that at least some Department of Homeland Security people were involved in this cruel, criminal behavior. The Biden Administration must identify these people, fire their asses and seek an indictment of them. Actions are supposed to have consequences.
delphinium
@different-church-lady:
Yeah, it is just such a sanctimonious and lazy mindset that I can’t take it seriously. One of my old bosses bought into the whole ‘they are aborting live babies” mindset (she is an MD) which got pushback from me. Just really tired of this nonsense.
patrick II
@WaterGirl:
Adam wrote a comment regarding biblical based belief about abortion. I saved it.
Adam L Silverman says:
December 13, 2018 at 1:29 pm
@Fair Economist: @cmorenc: The bible never actually mentions it at all. And before you start, I’ve actually published on this in an edited volume on religious bioethics published by Orbis Books. The only mention of anything that can even remotely be considered close to abortion comes in the Torah (the Law, the Five Books of Moses, the Septuagint). In the list of rules for damages and penalties from physically harming an another person, the text asserts (and I’m paraphrasing here and am doing so in English, not in Hebrew) that if two men fight in the marketplace and nock down a pregnant woman and kill her, then they are responsible for paying the blood price for an accidental death. However, if the only damage that she incurs is that she looses the developing foetus (in Hebrew there isn’t even a word for a foetus, so the euphemism: ish bi ish/human within the human is used), then they are only responsible for paying the penalty as if they accidentally amputated her pinky.
From this, the rabbinical legal scholars codified that a developing foetus had no intrinsic and inherent value separate from any other part of a pregnant woman’s body. The ultimate codification of this into applicable and controlling Judaic law comes from Maimonides. Maimonides states that since the Torah assigns no intrinsic and inherent value to a foetus separate from that of any other part of a pregnant woman’s body, then if a pregnant woman’s life is endangered by the foetus (ish bi ish), the foetus should be considered as if it is a rodeph/one who pursues another to take their life. As such, the foetus must be aborted to protect the life and health of the mother, to the point where it is required to dismember the foetus as it is being delivered limb by limb. Additionally, because the foetus is an appendage of the pregnant woman’s body, because it has no independent life and life force of its own until it is fully delivered, if a Jewish baby dies before it is 30 days old, it does not receive a ritual burial. it was never considered independently alive and distinct from one of it’s mother’s other body parts, just living off of her life force and energy and spirt. In Judaism ensoulment does not occur until that 30th day gives way to the 31st day of life. No soul means no independent life force. No independent life force means not really alive. Not really alive means no ritual burial. And this is also why naming ceremonies for Jewish children don’t formally occur until the 30th day or later after the child is born.
ETA: If you’re wondering why the Catholic position on this is different, given that it’s the same text, it is because there’s a mistranslation when this portion of the Torah went from the Hebrew to the Greek to the Latin. I’m pretty sure the error was between the Hebrew to the Greek, but don’t quote me on that. Basically a “not” got left out. As in “not liable for an accidental killing, just liable as if they accidentally amputated a finger”. The Catholic Church acknowledges the translation error, but indicates because the current position originated with a 19th century pope speaking in his official capacity, that it doesn’t matter, this is what the Deity wants.
I doubt it will do much good with your sister, but support for her views do not, according to Adam, exist in the bible.
Baud
@Major Major Major Major:
God is the only perfect liberal. Everyone else is hypocritical in some way.
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus: So they could impose a stay on Monday? Or even today? And then do a ruling later?
What makes you think it could take a couple of weeks for a ruling?Seems like national security would be a big Joe Biden deal.
Tony G
@different-church-lady: I don’t know. If a DHS employee falls for a stunt like that then the best that can be said about that employee is that he’s too incompetent to remain employed and should be immediately fired.
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud: So you are saying I am God? That would give pause to my agnosticism if I didn’t admit to some self doubt.
RaflW
This is one of the only two leading political parties in the US. Summed up in a single tweet.
It’s still mind-bendingly awful.
WaterGirl
@delphinium: I feel certain that she hasn’t even considered that Republicans get abortions. Logic and reason get nowhere. Sigh.
Omnes Omnibus
@WaterGirl: It is a big deal and two weeks fast in an appellate court.
delphinium
@MisterForkbeard:
Yep, I understand this is the whole point about “SAVE BABYEEZ!” It is a reason to excuse all of the utterly horrid things Republicans do with a smug smile on their face. Much better to get worked up about potential fetuses than deal with the daily horror show of actual kids and adults being harmed or killed.
WaterGirl
@Major Major Major Major: Who or what is Sca?
Baud
@WaterGirl: Fifth Circuit. That’s a 5.
Frankensteinbeck
@Barbara:
Trump is a narcissist. Nothing is more important than being able to tell himself he’s President of the United States. Look at the freakish and even comical lengths he goes to to pretend. Putting the Presidential Seal in stuff. Calling himself 45th President. One of the (big) reasons Cannon’s judgments are so blatantly corrupt and wrong is that his filings assume he has the powers of a current president, and she actually is pretending that’s viable.
WV Blondie
My bad – my rage apparently should be aimed at (Acting) Director Tae Johnson!
I presume that if he had aspirations of being appointed, he knows he’s toast!
Eolirin
@WaterGirl: 5th circuit court of appeals.
Ken
Wordle’s gotten more difficult since the NYT took it over.
RaflW
@different-church-lady: I ain’t buying it for a second. Nope.
Jinchi
That’s mentioned by the woman in the video above as well. I hope the Biden admin is tracking down those federal agents to ask them WTF they were doing telling these people to write false addresses on their documents.
Baud
@delphinium:
Given how Save Babyeez has given way to Pretend to Not Care Abortion to Win in November, I think you’re right.
jonas
You would be correct in that estimation. Shitting on immigrants and refugees is a time-honored American tradition.
Princess
I feel sick to my stomach
Jinchi
It really says something about the “immigrant swarm” story that DeSantis has to outsource to find his victims.
Omnes Omnibus
Okay, I am outta here.
Martin
@patrick II: That’s civil immunity, not criminal, and not general disciplinary. At a minimum they’ll be fired. But if I as a public employee had knowingly lied on a document to INS I could have been brought up on charges. That was made extraordinarily clear after 9/11.
Baud
Maybe. But it wasn’t popular enough for Trump in 2020.
The Thin Black Duke
The polls must be looking pretty bad if DeSantis is pushing performative nonsense like this.
Jinchi
Strange that they phrase it that way.
She didn’t suddenly drop dead. She was beaten to death by police.
Citizen Alan
@delphinium: Not one Republican in a 1000 gives a shit about children dying in poverty. Or about the high infant mortality rates, high miscarriage rates, and high maternity death rates in all the red states Water Girl should ask her bitch of a sister how many premature babies she’s adopted.
prostratedragon
Dearie has set a Tue meeting in Brooklyn with the lawywrs.
Barbara
@Jinchi: Presumably, she has the documentation that was given to them that included an address that was entered by the DHS personnel who processed their intake. Clearly, none of these people were living in a Washington State homeless shelter.
And it is a big deal — if you change address you have to submit paperwork within 10 days, and for these people, they need to do check-ins. The procedures surrounding asylum have been tightened in the last 20 years because of a belief that people who applied for asylum would just disappear into the general population, or immigrants would apply for asylum only after they were detained and about to be deported. So now, you have to submit your request within a year (except for good cause, such as changed circumstances), you have to inform authorities of your address, and check in as requested. If you fail to do any of these things, that will be an independent basis for refusing asylum. You might still be eligible for relief under the conventions against torture, but that gives much less protection and benefits to individuals.
ETA: What De Santis is crowing about is the human equivalent of a cat playing with its prey. Most of us get viscerally upset when we see that, no matter how much we understand the instinct or loathe rodents.
J R in WV
@NorthLeft:
No, no, no!!! We don’t want these vicious and heartless bastards working anywhere they may have control over homeless or poor folks, like a shelter or food bank. Imagine the glee with which these bastards would give someone nothing but Rice Crispies for a week of food.
WaterGirl
@NorthLeft:
Sorry, if they are adults and they need to be retained for those things? You cannot train that in an adult who doesn’t understand that. Those people need to be out and prosecuted.
JAFD
@WaterGirl: I think he’s referring to the 5th US Circuit Court of Appeals.
I could be wrong.
Geminid
@Jinchi: It’s state media, and the authorities know this story could be a problem for them.
Other reporting has officials saying the Ms. Amini had a heart attack, but her uncle says she had no history of heart problems. A picture has circulated of her in a hospital bed, with her head heavily bandaged.
WaterGirl
@patrick II: interesting.
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus: Could the special master demand all the files during that 2 weeks? Including the classified documents? That’s what concerns me.
It also concerns me that we were willing to consider either of Trump’s proposed special master. I don’t trust anyone that Trump would trust.
delphinium
@WaterGirl:
Sorry to hear that-I know it must be so frustrating for someone you love.
And my apologies, realize I came across a bit mean.
WaterGirl
@Baud: Ah. Now I get what the C is about, but not the a. I will google.
Baud
@WaterGirl: Appeals
kalakal
@SiubhanDuinne: I know, I know!
Camera
TV
https://www.thewrap.com/sarah-cooper-shows-trump-how-to-person-woman-man-camera-tv-video-cognitive-test/
WaterGirl
@Baud: Oh, that makes total sense. Displaying my ignorance twice. Go me! //
WaterGirl
@delphinium: It is terrible. We never really talk anymore, except to send garden photos and say that’s a cute photo of the grandkids.
It’s terribly sad.
zhena gogolia
@Subsole: Me too! lol
Yutsano
@H.E.Wolf: bortaS bIr jablu dIH reH QaQQu nay
It sounds great in the original Klingon.
Burnspbesq
@SiubhanDuinne:
How about indictments? I’m pretty sure this violates 8 u.s.c. 1324(a)(1)(A)(v), which would get them a dime upon conviction.
kalakal
I can’t understand why anyone would ever vote/support deathsantis even if they agree with his policies. He couldn’t be more fucking obvious that people, all people, any people are expendable for the greater glory of himself. And that includes his supporters. He’s as subtle as an air raid
El Muneco
@Jinchi: So did he spend more of FL’s money trying to ruin the lives of 50 people who are specifically allowed to be in this country, or to find 9 people who voted “illegally” despite having been assured by state officials that their registrations were legal?
And why isn’t “YOUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK!” already in prime-time ads from his November opponent?
cain
@Major Major Major Major:
Huh – so I guess we can all go to their homes and do like protesting and stuff or is that a bridge too far?
delphinium
@Matt McIrvin:
Part of the problem for liberals is that immigration, like many issues, is very complex. We want good things for people, but the reality is there will be solutions which some may not like. (We are not a monolith). Unfortunately, that small minority will get outsized attention. While the expectation for Republicans is that they are not interested in helping people, so anyone complaining about immigration is just seen as background noise.
SiubhanDuinne
@Burnspbesq:
It’s a start, certainly.
Major Major Major Major
@cain: no this only applies to speech conservatives like.
Burnspbesq
@prostratedragon:
What sort of security clearance does Dearie have? Some judges in the D.C. District are cleared pretty high to do FISA work, but that would be highly unusual for a judge from the Eastern District of New York.
SiubhanDuinne
@kalakal:
I had forgotten how good she was during those few months she was doing TikToks of TFG. Haven’t thought of her in a long time.
Major Major Major Major
@Burnspbesq: I believe Dearie has decent clearance. I think I read somewhere that he signed some of the Crossfire Hurricane FISA warrants
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Major Major Major Major:
Is this decision going to lead to bad outcomes?
zhena gogolia
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Don’t worry, be happy.
Our minister told us as a child he had a sugar bowl that said, “Don’t worry, it might not happen.” We remember that all the time.
Major Major Major Major
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): This one specific choice of who will be special master, from what I’ve read, is fine, though he’s known for taking his time with things, but I think there’s a deadline at least. Everything else, including using a special master at all, will slow things down dramatically.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Major Major Major Major:
Thanks, though I meant the decision by the 5th Circuit of Appeals WRT to content moderation on social media
zhena gogolia
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
Here, this always makes me happy. Try it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq7Eki5EZ8o
Jinchi
Is this true? Because that’s is getting close to explicit fraud. I wonder if anyone is going to be fired over this.
Major Major Major Major
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): oh oops.
I think the decision will be irrelevant in the short term, since the supremes already stayed the law?
In the longer term it will come down to how many beers Kavanaugh had for breakfast when it’s time to vote. But to my non expert opinion this is a really dumb ruling even by 5ca standards.
If upheld, the internet will be thrown into chaos.
delphinium
@Citizen Alan:
Yes, I completely understand this and will push back on people saying they vote Republican because of abortion (amongst other issues, like guns). Oddly, one of the most anti-gun people I know is a Republican. What really set her off big time was Trayvon Martin’s murder. We talked about a lot of stuff during the 2016 election and she asked me about Hillary’s emails. Boy, was that fun trying to explain that! In any case, she ended up voting for her and was disgusted that Trump won. But before that, she almost always voted Republican because her family always did. There are lots of people who do so for the same reason, without thinking too deeply about the issues.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@zhena gogolia:
Thanks : )
@Major Major Major Major:
It coming down Injustice Drunk McRapey? Oh brother..
Thanks for the explanation
surfk9
Looks like DHS sent a couple of migrants from San Antonio to Sacramento. Similar scenario.
eversor
I think some people here are reading the motivations in this completely wrong. This was not actually about the migrants. There are much worse things they could have done if the cruelty was the real point, not just a side bonus.
This was about punching their true enemy. Godless, urban, coastal, white liberals. They are open about this as well. In their media bubble all the blue places they shipped these people off to are now horrified and complaining because we don’t want them here, and they are straining our busted budget cities, and we are scared of the potential for crime. That liberals believe “immigration for thee but not for me” is an article of right wing faith.
Their media bubble is selling this as well. They are taking select quotes where liberals were outraged about the treatment, transport, lack of communication, and criminality of this and playing them so it seems that liberals are freaking out that the immigrants are now in blue places. From Tucker Carlson, to The Federals, to Rod Dreher this is the line that’s being pushed and all the CHUDs are high fiving about how liberals are hypocrites and really just as racist but virtue signal that they aren’t. They aren’t even aware that they were welcomed and taken care of.
In a way, that’s sort of worse. It’s not even truly that they hated these people it’s they viewed them as so inhuman they were nothing more than a stick to beat their actual enemies. Them getting hurt was a bonus.
WaterGirl
@zhena gogolia: There is a storefront – an art supply store – that spells this out in their window.
“It’s going to be okay.”
Seeing that is oddly soothing, even if you have seen it a million times before.
WaterGirl
@zhena gogolia: Maybe he doesn’t want to be happy.
Dan B
@Major Major Major Major: Let the chaos begin!
This looks awful. What happens when people start doxxing and whatever the name is for getting the police to show up at your home with battering rams and flashbacks at judges homes? Is that protected by First Amendment? After all you just posted those addresses and hinted that sending the police would be an prank in poor taste for the Illuminati Judge.
Another Scott
Bingo.
I hope the courts slap these stunts down hard, but I fear that it won’t happen until we expand the SCOTUS.
Fight for 15!!
Cheers,
Scott.
Brachiator
@eversor:
I see a certain group of very comfortable white liberals make this claim all the time, and it is despicable. They insist that they live in a world like that of the two plutocrat brothers from the movie Trading Places, who play with people’s lives for a dollar and cheap thrills.
No matter how many people are hurt, it all comes down to their own petty feelings. Bodies can be stacked high and their only concern is how inconvenient it might be to step over them.
geg6
@Burnspbesq:
I know I read somewhere (LGM maybe?) that he’s done FISA work in the past.
Major Major Major Major
@Dan B: if you sort of squint, the logic goes, “banning somebody for vaccine ‘skepticism’ is illegal because it’s banning them for speech protected by the first amendment, and you’re a common carrier.” Setting aside the fact that none of that is true, it sets up a standard where people who can successfully-enough whine that their moderation is political get to say whatever they want, but e.g. pornographers do not, since most of that is not protected speech.
Swatting would definitely not be protected speech. Doxxing may seem protected enough that companies wouldn’t risk deleting it. Nazism you would have to allow unimpeded.
As with many such laws, the real point is the chilling effect, where companies will go out of their way to avoid all gray areas and err on the side of letting people say whatever they want.
Matt McIrvin
@Frankensteinbeck:
I’ve been wondering if she’s trying to somehow establish through the back door that he IS the current president.
Dan B
@Dan B: Swatting judges by “hinting” wink wink, that it would be tasteless to do so to Elite Marxist Illuminati Judges. That’s free speech right? You betcha!
currawong
https://twitter.com/dbranch9/status/1570928423568277505?s=20&t=AwmgXNDxTsSBOg2uQwsTMw
Matt McIrvin
@Jinchi: This reminds me of how, under Trump, ICE would raid immigration offices where people had shown up for appointments to try to normalize their status. It just seems like a despicable trap.
(For all I know they’re still doing it, I don’t know if it actually stopped, but the stories I heard were under Trump.)
Ryan
DeSantis is a sadistic fuck.
Butter Emails
@Brachiator:
I’m confused by this. Are you suggesting that this stunt wasn’t in significant part to own the libs? That places like Martha’s Vineyard and the Vice President’s Residence weren’t chosen specifically for that reason?
WaterGirl
@Ryan:
So say we all.
smintheus
The malicious misinformation advising the migrants falsely that they were to register with USCIS is a classic Republican dirty trick. Here’s a parallel from 2004, provided by Karl Rove’s bureau of dirty tricks: throughout PA (and probably other swing states) on Election Day, representatives of the Bush re-election campaign called voters who they knew were planning to vote for Kerry and passed themselves off as standard get-out-the-vote operatives. There were hundreds of these calls in my own county, according to the county head of elections. These callers provided the voters with misinformation, directing them to their supposed voting place in the wrong precinct or (in my case) in the wrong town. The goal obviously was to convince these voters to demand the right to cast a provisional ballot at the wrong polling station, when they learned that their name was not on the list of registered voters – thus nullifying their vote.
Matt McIrvin
Republican asshole Twitter currently collectively chortling “haw haw, Martha’s Vineyard deported all the illegal aliens as soon as they arrived, they should be in control of the border!” So, the big gotcha prank went over great with its intended audience.
Tony G
@surfk9: Biden needs to stomp down on DHS for this bullshit immediately. Order the head of DHS to identify any agents who participated in this debacle, then force those agents to turn in their badges and guns and place them on NON-PAID leave until they can be investigated. If they quit, then continue to investigate them anyway. If, in fact, there is compelling evidence that those agents broke any laws here, then fire their asses and strip them of their pensions, and have a grand jury consider their indictment. Major parts of the federal government have been infiltrated by fascists over the past five and a half years, and it must not be tolerated any longer.
Tony G
@WaterGirl: A sadistic fuck who is supported by the majority of white people in Florida. That should not be forgotten.
Brachiator
@Butter Emails:
Sigh.
I don’t give a shit if any lib feels owned or if some right wing ass wipe tried to own libs.
I do care about what can be done to help immigrants.
Refer back to the NPR story about 1960s racists sending poor blacks up North. Racist crackers assumed that people up North believed just as strongly in white supremacy as did Southern crackers. They believed that the civil rights movement was a game played by Northern whites and Southern whites. Black people did not exist except as playthings of white people. I suppose that if we used stupid contemporary lingo, Southern crackers believed that any pretense of concern over civil rights for blacks was hypocritical virtue signaling.
But at the end of the day, the attempt to get Northern whites to admit to their hypocrisy was wrong and irrelevant. What mattered was defeating white supremacy.
DeSantis believes that we all really hate immigrants. He is full of shit.
Jackie
Late, but DOJ asks appeals court to stay the approx 100 documents marked Secret/Top Secret.
WaterGirl
@Jackie: Do we have a copy of what they submitted?
Lyrebird
Thanks for your explaining more fully, I didn’t fully understand what you said before. And very much agreed, he is full of rancid waste.
I also see the strong parallels with that cruel “Citizens Council” story. Their dehumanizing viewpoint.
It’s not hard to find racist sentiments in Massachusetts, but apparently it’s even easier to find people like the Vinyarders who made sure the people arriving had their basic needs met. And apparently there are some damn fine immigration lawyers.
I hope this bites DeathSantis back.
Butter Emails
@Brachiator:
It’s racist and like most hateful Republican bullshit based on a massive stack of false premises and lies.
Pretty much every derpy asshat comment is basically, “See, how do you libs like it” as if 2 out of the 4 states sharing a border with Mexico aren’t blue states and the refugees and undocumented immigrants all stay in Texas and don’t end up spread across the entire country, particularly in the very large urban areas that have historically and continue to have significant foreign born populations.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@Eduardo: I was curious about the coverage in the Spanish language press. There’s a paper called “Diario las Americas” which I think serves the Miami Cuban community, at least it did when I used to read it years ago. It’s front page there.
TriassicSands
This is as disgusting and indefensible as pretty much anything the fascists have ever done. Ron DeSantis is pure evil. Greg Abbott is pure evil. The idea that they may have immunity for the crimes they have committed shows that once again their are people in the US who are above the law and who are cruel, barbaric monsters.
Fake Irishman
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
He and Coney-Barrett along with Roberts voted to stay the law at the federal level. Kagan, surprisingly, voted to let it go into effect.
Also remember that a unanimous 11th circuit panel laughed Florida’s version of this law out of the court room.
Mike in Pasadena
Thank you for posting this. I had no idea the extent of the depravity.
Another Scott
@patrick II: Thanks for that.
Of course the Bible is just a prop for these monsters who value power and tribalism above all else.
Did you know that “Jesus wants you to be rich!”? It must be true, I heard it myself in a church!
(groucho-roll-eyes.gif)
Cheers,
Scott.
RR_Mikey
If any of you can get to it, Steve Schmidt has a scathing article about DeSantis on Substack. He compares his to Adolph Eichmann. Its worth the read and the search…
Another Scott
@RR_Mikey: Lots of us here are very skeptical of Schmidt.
Made me look…
First sentence:
Um, no. It’s totally predictable. There’s nothing at all unbelievable about DeSantis’s (and Abbott’s) dehumanizing stunt.
He ends with:
So, he wants FL people to vote for Crist? And TX people to vote for Beto?
Buehler? Buehler??
Nope.
It’s not about voting the GQP MAGA monsters out of office. For Schmidt, it’s about being able to play oracle and say to GQPers: “I told you so. You should listen to me. And you should hire me to run your campaigns.”
My cynical take.
Thanks.
Cheers,
Scott.