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You are here: Home / Open Threads / Help Save the House! CA-22 and CA-41 Need Help Curing Ballots

Help Save the House! CA-22 and CA-41 Need Help Curing Ballots

by WaterGirl|  November 14, 202211:14 am| 104 Comments

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Help save the House by curing ballots!

Make calls to cure ballots for CO to kick Boebert to the curb!

Help Save the House! CA-22 and CA-41 Need Help Curing Ballots

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In-person volunteers AND phone people are needed to help in CA-41!

Phone people are needed to help in CA-22!

URGENT! We need volunteers who can travel IMMEDIATELY to California's 41st District to knock on doors to help cure ballots for Democrat @WillRollinsCA.

The House is still possible! Join if you can!#Voterizer #DemocracyWins https://t.co/sxm0rmphCG

— Field Team 6 – Register Democrats. Save the World. (@fieldteam_6) November 13, 2022

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You can phonebank to help Rudy Salas in CA-22! https://t.co/PVLyF85ICC

— Field Team 6 – Register Democrats. Save the World. (@fieldteam_6) November 13, 2022

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Ballot Curing for CA Congressional House Races

Help Save the House! CA-22 and CA-41 Need Help Curing Ballots 1

Phone banking! https://t.co/z1LSn2IUBv

— CH šŸŒ»šŸ„˜šŸ„¾ā›°šŸŒ» (@cathinthekitchn) November 13, 2022

If anyone knows of “curing” help that is needed for other races, please let us know in the comments and I will add them up top.

Let’s win this!

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  1. 1.

    Mousebumples

    November 14, 2022 at 11:36 am

    Thanks for front paging these, WaterGirl! I posted links in the late night thread last night, but hope more Juicers can help!

    Also – Georgia GOTV reminder that we’re doing another music/postcarding tomorrow (Tuesday) night at 8pm blog time/7pm central. 😊

    If anyone wants to join in for postcarding but doesn’t have the scratch to buy stamps (or postcards), we can hopefully help out if you send WaterGirl an email. Not sure if we could get you supplies in time for Georgia, but I’m hoping to recruit Juicers to write postcards to Wisconsin for our April Judicial election (and maybe the February primary? šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø) – and probably even more “local” (around the country) races too!

  2. 2.

    ALurkSupreme

    November 14, 2022 at 11:37 am

    Thanks for spreading the word, WaterGirl.

  3. 3.

    AJ of the Mustard Search and Rescue Team

    November 14, 2022 at 11:38 am

    Anyone know whether Frisch still needs help with curing?

    I don’t see any news either way on his Twitter or website.

  4. 4.

    Almost Retired

    November 14, 2022 at 12:03 pm

    Hoping to make time to help.Ā  Ken Calvert in 41 is an old hidebound relic of Red State California that previously could only be dislodged from office in his Inland Empire District by tactical nuclear weapons.Ā  But Riverside is becoming purple, and redistricting gave him Palm Springs with it’s large and politically active gay population.Ā  Add a charismatic Democratic candidate and this is a potential pick up.

  5. 5.

    BlueGuitarist

    November 14, 2022 at 12:04 pm

    @AJ of the Mustard Search and Rescue Team:

    @WaterGirl:

    While previously showing had reached max capacity for phone bank Frisch campaign now has times available for phone bank to cure ballots today, Tuesday, & Wednesday at

    https://www.mobilize.us/buildthehouseco/event/543503/

  6. 6.

    Amir Khalid

    November 14, 2022 at 12:15 pm

    There’s going to be a general election in Malaysia this Saturday, the first one in Covid times. Oddly enough, there’s not a lot of enthusiasm for it that I can see. The political coalitions seem to be in a state of flux, none stands out as the best choice, the party-poster battles of previous elections are just not happening. And no one really knows who will win. There has even been talk of Malaysia winding up with its first-ever hung Parliament.

    I kind of envy you guys. Your elections are all done but the counting.

  7. 7.

    Alison Rose

    November 14, 2022 at 12:15 pm

    @Almost Retired: A gay male friend of mine moved to Palm Springs a few years back and likes to say he lives in the Gay 90s, because everyone there is either gay or in their 90s :P

  8. 8.

    UncleEbeneezer

    November 14, 2022 at 12:16 pm

    The Rollins phone-bank looks like it already happened (11/12-11/13). Ā Not sure if there are ongoing/future events.

  9. 9.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 12:17 pm

    @BlueGuitarist: Thank you! Ā I just added that up top!

  10. 10.

    Baud

    November 14, 2022 at 12:18 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    I’m not sure what a desirable outcome looks like, but good luck!

  11. 11.

    Matt McIrvin

    November 14, 2022 at 12:22 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    I kind of envy you guys. Your elections are all done but the counting.

    That just means the 2024 campaigns are kicking off.

  12. 12.

    Baud

    November 14, 2022 at 12:23 pm

    @Matt McIrvin:

    How about that Trump vs. DeSantis battle?

    Is Biden too old to run?

  13. 13.

    AJ of the Mustard Search and Rescue Team

    November 14, 2022 at 12:24 pm

    @BlueGuitarist: ty that’s amazing!

  14. 14.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 12:26 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer: Ā Thanks. Ā I removed that one and found another one for ballot curing for CA House races and I added that up top.

  15. 15.

    Serpents Trail Hiker

    November 14, 2022 at 12:37 pm

    @AJ of the Mustard Search and Rescue Team: I signed up here

    https://www.mobilize.us/buildthehouseco/event/543507/

  16. 16.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 12:41 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer: I called the Rollins group and they said they have 700 names on their list, and most of them have been called and called and called, so they are going to do in-person for a couple of days and then may pick up on calling again after that.

    They don’t want to piss people off with more calls right now.

  17. 17.

    UncleEbeneezer

    November 14, 2022 at 12:47 pm

    @WaterGirl: Ok, good to know. Ā Thx :)

  18. 18.

    BlueGuitarist

    November 14, 2022 at 12:48 pm

    Not a US House candidate, but AZ *State* House candidate is looking for help making phone calls to help voters cure ballots – one of the few times people will be glad to get a phone call from someone they don’t know yet – Monday Tues or Wednesday:

    West Point graduate, retired Army Lt. Col. Dana Allmond, who resigned from Sinema’s veterans’ advisory group because of the senator’s lack of support for Biden’s agenda, is running against an election denier in a key Tucson-area Arizona state legislative district (this guy says he left New Jersey because of the lack of freedom and oppressive government in Nj)

    Allmond and her opponent both have 53k votes; he’s got a few hundred more; with about 11k to count.

    With your help Allmond could win an AZ State House seat and tie the AZ State House:

    https://www.mobilize.us/missionforaz/event/542942/?share_medium=native_share&share_context=event_detail_page&force_banner=true

    Allmond is a Super Swing District candidate, so that calls to cure ballots of Dem voters will help US house, AZ State Senate, & AZ statewide candidates.

    Her district overlaps US House AZ-06 where Democrat Kirsten Engel currently has 49.7% of the vote; hasn’t been called, but leaning R; crucial seat for Dem chances in US House; this is a gerrymandered district made 10 points more Republican.

    Overlaps AZ State Senate district 17, where Democratic candidate, pastor Mike Nickerson has 49.3% of the vote against an ultra maga Republican Justine Wadsack who beat the far right R incumbent in the primary. When she won the primary, the incumbent tried to get Wadsack off the ballot on a residency issue and she successfully invoked spousal to prevent her husband from testifying about where she actually lived. That’s the closest of 3 AZ State Senate districts where Dems have 49% of the vote, winning any one of them probably ties the AZ State Senate.

    More re this excellent Black woman running for AZ State house: Dana Allmond is endorsed by Care in Action (an advocacy group for domestic workers which supports candidates of color), AZ Stand for Children, Progressive Turnout Project, pro-choice groups: Emily’s List, NARAL; labor unions: AFSCME, teachers’ union, nurses’ union; pro-public safety groups: Everytown for Gun Safety, Moms Demand Action; and pro-equality: Human Rights Campaign.

    She’s the mother of 4 kids, including triples born 11/11/11

  19. 19.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 1:27 pm

    @BlueGuitarist: Thanks for posting that.

  20. 20.

    zhena gogolia

    November 14, 2022 at 1:29 pm

    So the NYT is telling me the R’s have 222 in the House. Is that true, or are they just indulging in wishful thinking again?

    I’m at work and don’t have time to look into it. I hate them so much.

  21. 21.

    jeffreyw

    November 14, 2022 at 1:30 pm

    @BlueGuitarist: Just turned 11, all three of them.Ā  Nearly old enough to run for president in the aggregate.

  22. 22.

    Mike E

    November 14, 2022 at 1:34 pm

    @zhena gogolia: AP is up to 203D-212R with 20 races yet to be called. Much curing to do, and a couple of recounts may delay the final count even longer.

  23. 23.

    Martin

    November 14, 2022 at 1:36 pm

    @zhena gogolia: Still races to call. I’m not sure why today we’re getting opinions on CA races that had no new data since Friday. There’s been no new results dropped today yet. That’ll be closer to 5PM.

    Just wait. We’ll know soon enough.

  24. 24.

    Jackie

    November 14, 2022 at 1:39 pm

    @AJ of the Mustard Search and Rescue Team: Yes, he does!

    https://www.newsweek.com/lauren-boebert-danger-thousands-votes-opponent-could-fixed-1759323

    Boebert in Danger as Thousands of Votes for Opponent Could be Fixed.

  25. 25.

    Matt McIrvin

    November 14, 2022 at 1:43 pm

    @zhena gogolia: According to WaPo, 211 have been called for the Republicans, 204 for the Democrats. It looks like there are 222 called or leaning R at the moment. Those include these California seats, Boebert’s CO-03, and a few others. So, definitely not guaranteed R wins though some probably will be.

  26. 26.

    zhena gogolia

    November 14, 2022 at 1:45 pm

    @Matt McIrvin: Thanks, everyone.

    I guess we’ve held the Senate and that has to be good enough.

  27. 27.

    Baud

    November 14, 2022 at 1:46 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

    @Matt McIrvin:

    This morning, I think NBC predicted 219. Who knows?Ā  Count (and recount, if necessary) the votes and we’ll deal.

  28. 28.

    Matt McIrvin

    November 14, 2022 at 1:52 pm

    @zhena gogolia: It’s not over yet. The Rs probably have the advantage but all I really know is any House margin is going to be extremely small.

  29. 29.

    JoyceH

    November 14, 2022 at 1:56 pm

    @Matt McIrvin: ​
     

    Close enough to be cured by just a few arrests for seditious conspiracy…

  30. 30.

    Matt McIrvin

    November 14, 2022 at 2:01 pm

    @Jackie: The interesting thing is that CO-03 wasn’t even considered a competitive district before the election.

  31. 31.

    zhena gogolia

    November 14, 2022 at 2:08 pm

    This place is the ONLY source of news I can stomach.

    I just had lunch with some normies. One of them (of course) tried to bring up the parlor game of who should be our nominee in 2024. I shut that shit down right quick. (Same person used to bring up Hillary’s e-mails.) Then I was commended for my brilliant analysis of the chances of Warnock vs. Walker, which came entirely from BJ.

  32. 32.

    Jesse

    November 14, 2022 at 2:10 pm

    @BlueGuitarist: Wadsack?

  33. 33.

    Ivan X

    November 14, 2022 at 2:13 pm

    Rollins staff have a drop-in Zoom 10-7 today, they send you the link if you fill out their form. I’m in Santa Barbara, which is 2.5 to 3 hours driving to CA-41, which I’d happily do if it would be useful. I spoke to the volunteer via the Zoom and he said [paraphrasing/interpreting], “Listen, wanna be honest, we’re down by 4,000, so while we still are going for it and can still win, we don’t want people rearranging their whole lives to get here. We do have people knocking on doors now, and if the numbers look really good in the next couple of days, then we’ll keep going, and if so then it might be worth your time.” So, I’ll check back in tomorrow/Wed and keep my fingers crossed until then. I know we’re on a wing and a prayer at this point for the House but miracles do happen and it ain’t over ’til it’s over.

  34. 34.

    Ivan X

    November 14, 2022 at 2:14 pm

    @zhena gogolia: Nicely done, but, truly, how much analysis is required for that one? Has your normie seen the choices?

  35. 35.

    ALurkSupreme

    November 14, 2022 at 2:15 pm

    @zhena gogolia:Ā  You might check out Christopher Bouzy (@cbouzy) for remaining races/projections.

  36. 36.

    Major Major Major Major

    November 14, 2022 at 2:16 pm

    @zhena gogolia: this can be a useful exercise though. Normies basically noticed inflation before economists were sold on the idea that it was getting bad. The median voter is a normie. Things they worry about are ā€œrealā€ even if they’re ā€œfakeā€ (like the emails) if that makes sense…

  37. 37.

    zhena gogolia

    November 14, 2022 at 2:17 pm

    OT, SOUND UP, HANKIES AT THE READY

    pic.twitter.com/swzgQT2iV7— Kevin Rothrock (@KevinRothrock) November 14, 2022

  38. 38.

    zhena gogolia

    November 14, 2022 at 2:22 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: These particular normies notice whatever the NYT wants them to notice.

  39. 39.

    Leslie

    November 14, 2022 at 2:23 pm

    @zhena gogolia: Thanks for that. Got all choked up.

  40. 40.

    Leslie

    November 14, 2022 at 2:24 pm

    @zhena gogolia: And thanks for checking on Bill. I hope he’s just busy.

  41. 41.

    zhena gogolia

    November 14, 2022 at 2:26 pm

    @Leslie: Me too. He sounded fine in the last comment I saw.

  42. 42.

    lowtechcyclist

    November 14, 2022 at 2:28 pm

    @zhena gogolia:Ā  Yeah, having a couple of kleenexes handy was a good idea.

    Comparatively trivial thought: Zelenskyy’s gonna have a hard time going back to suits and ties after this war is won.

  43. 43.

    CaseyL

    November 14, 2022 at 2:30 pm

    @ALurkSupreme: Speaking of whom:

    Per Bouzy:

    With CA-41, Democrats have 216 seats and need two more seats. I’m afraid I have to disagree with others, and I believe when more votes are counted, Democrats will win AZ-6, and that gets Democrats to 217. Contrary to what others say, I am not convinced CO-3 is over..

    A significant number of ballots have been cured, and the remaining votes appear to favor Adam Frisch. By Thursday, we will have more information, but this race will get closer and go to a recount. There is a realistic path to 218, and Democrats don’t need a miracle…

    So it looks like the ballot cure priorities are CA-41, CA-22, and CO-03.

  44. 44.

    zhena gogolia

    November 14, 2022 at 2:30 pm

    @lowtechcyclist: I doubt that he will!

  45. 45.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 2:38 pm

    @CaseyL:

    So it looks like the ballot cure priorities are CA-41, CA-22, and CO-03.

    Yes. Ā Those are all featured up top.

  46. 46.

    Martin

    November 14, 2022 at 2:47 pm

    @CaseyL: Hopefully tonights CA update will give us a clearer direction of things. Should at least be more uniform across all races instead of the hodgepodge we’ve been getting.

  47. 47.

    Jackie

    November 14, 2022 at 2:48 pm

    @Matt McIrvin: I know! Ain’t it great?! Same with WA CD 3!!! Slowly but surely we’re booting out the MAGAts!

  48. 48.

    CaseyL

    November 14, 2022 at 3:01 pm

    Hmph.Ā  I’ve tried to open the Frisch phone-banking link – here, and on his Twitter feed – and none of them work.

  49. 49.

    Jackie

    November 14, 2022 at 3:11 pm

    @Jackie: Speaking of WA-3, Joe Kent is refusing to concede:

    ā€œWhat the media says is irrelevant, it[ā€˜]s another narrative designed to stop voters from ballot curing & to force me to concede – not gonna happen,ā€ Kent wrote on Twitter Saturday. ā€œWe’re on the streets ballot curing. The fight goes on while the talking heads talk. Power dry & check your ballot.ā€

    https://www.bigcountrynewsconnection.com/news/state/washington/race-called-but-kent-doesn-t-concede-in-washington-s-3rd-house-district/article_216369d0-5f5b-56d6-aa49-eadadbf196f0.html

  50. 50.

    Anyway

    November 14, 2022 at 3:11 pm

    @Martin:

    What is the D-R breakdown of the (current) CA house delegation?

  51. 51.

    rikyrah

    November 14, 2022 at 3:13 pm

    Thanks for spreading the word

  52. 52.

    rikyrah

    November 14, 2022 at 3:14 pm

    L O L G O P (@LOLGOP) tweeted at 6:26 AM on Mon, Nov 14, 2022:
    What Dave is saying is the Republicans on the Supreme Court explicitly stole the electoral power of millions of Black Americans to give Republicans a political advantage.
    (https://twitter.com/LOLGOP/status/1592131879893102599?t=9r_5I93m97LdjzwNYD-oOg&s=03)

  53. 53.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 3:15 pm

    @zhena gogolia:Ā @Leslie:

    I heard back from BillinGlendaleCA.

    He is, as we though, super busy. Ā He works the 3-midnight shift, which isn’t great for participating in BJ threads in real time.

  54. 54.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 3:16 pm

    @lowtechcyclist: Zelenskyy may never go back to suits and ties, except for special occasions. Ā He sure doesn’t need a suit and tie for credibility, or to look the part of president. Ā He IS the big dog.

  55. 55.

    rikyrah

    November 14, 2022 at 3:23 pm

    I live by the WISH creed…

     

    greg (@mistergeezy) tweeted at 8:58 AM on Mon, Nov 14, 2022:
    The real tea is, AOC and her little gentrified friends are going after Hakeem Jeffries because he is next in line for leadership in the house.
    (https://twitter.com/mistergeezy/status/1592170088664551424?t=dIhKluFG2A3ZyNIQKlnX4A&s=03)

  56. 56.

    rikyrah

    November 14, 2022 at 3:25 pm

    Skeptical BrothaĀ Ā (@skepticalbrotha) tweeted at 6:14 AM on Mon, Nov 14, 2022:
    The U.S. Supreme Court had its thumb on the scale to prevent a Democratic majority by pretending that there was some issue with the Voting Rights Act that needed its attention this term. No such issue exists. They will strike it down to prevent VRA seats in Alabama & Louisiana…

     

    Skeptical BrothaĀ Ā (@skepticalbrotha) tweeted at 6:14 AM on Mon, Nov 14, 2022:
    South Carolina and Florida as well where an aggressive DeSantis gerrymander took a VRA seat on purpose despite it being unconstitutional in Florida. Add the incompetence in NY that lost four seats and that could be what prevents Democratic control.

    Skeptical Brotha

    (@skepticalbrotha) tweeted at 6:24 AM on Mon, Nov 14, 2022:
    Whatever happens with the House, just know that huge institutional forces conspired against Democrats from the beginning, and the fact that we’re still competitive nearly a week later is a miracle by itself.

  57. 57.

    Geminid

    November 14, 2022 at 3:31 pm

    @rikyrah: If there is a Caucus election for Speaker Pelosi’s spot, the struggle will be titanic!- at least in the media and on Twitter. I think Jeffries will win without too much trouble, though.

    I also expect Hoyer and Clyburn to step aside if Pelosi does, and Katherine Rice (MA) and Pete Aguilar to win their spots. Rice is 59 and Aguilar is 42. Hakeem Jeffries is 51, and he is a very talented and hardworking man.

  58. 58.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 3:32 pm

    @rikyrah: What’s the context for that?

  59. 59.

    lowtechcyclist

    November 14, 2022 at 3:36 pm

    @rikyrah:Ā  He doesn’t seem to provide any substantiation of that claim.

  60. 60.

    lowtechcyclist

    November 14, 2022 at 3:37 pm

    @rikyrah:

    Whatever happens with the House, just know that huge institutional forces conspired against Democrats from the beginning, and the fact that we’re still competitive nearly a week later is a miracle by itself.

    No question about it.

  61. 61.

    Old School

    November 14, 2022 at 3:37 pm

    @WaterGirl: Not sure what the current context is, but when I did a Google search it pulled up stories from 2018, 2019, and 2021.Ā  So even if they aren’t best friends, it certainly can’t be called a new development.

  62. 62.

    Dangerman

    November 14, 2022 at 3:38 pm

    I had my ballot cured the moment I dropped it off at the Elections Office; I had forgotten to date the envelope. Oh, sure, I could have been more careful and read the instructions, but it was first thing in the morning and the Doctor has ordered me to drink only decaf (what’s the point?) and, really, instructions are so yesterday.

    The fix is si easy and the potential reward is so high (Boebert could go back to something more in line with her skillset like … hold on, it’s coming to me … decaf, remember? … well, shit, she must have some skills).

  63. 63.

    Jackie

    November 14, 2022 at 3:42 pm

    Only two posts to choose to post on…

    ā€œSome pundits on the right have decided that unmarried women are at fault for the GOP’s electoral dysfunction.ā€

    https://www.thebulwark.com/blame-all-the-single-ladies/

    The GQP is scraping the bottom of the barrel for losing excuses! When I was married, I voted D. I have voted Democratic my entire life.šŸ¤·šŸ¼ā€ā™€ļø

  64. 64.

    Matt McIrvin

    November 14, 2022 at 3:57 pm

    @Jackie: 99% of these discussions of why unmarried women are more likely to vote Democratic ignore that these numbers aren’t age-adjusted. It drives me insane.

    Probably most of what’s going on here is that being unmarried is a proxy for being younger, and the youngs are more Democratic. Not really about marriage causing conservatism or the reverse.

    It’s like the dumb study that claimed that left-handed people had a lower life expectancy. No they didn’t, it’s just that if you were really old you were probably forced to be right-handed as a child, so age at death was biased younger for left-handers.

  65. 65.

    lowtechcyclist

    November 14, 2022 at 3:58 pm

    @Old School:

    @WaterGirl: Not sure what the current context is, but when I did a Google search it pulled up stories fromĀ 2018,Ā 2019, andĀ 2021.Ā  So even if they aren’t best friends, it certainly can’t be called a new development.

    The 2021 story (by Chris Cillizza, eww) is about Jeffries taking (deserved) potshots at Nina Turner.Ā  AOC is only in there as a name to be thrown around and lumped in with others.Ā  Standard Cillizza vomit.

    The 2019 story is about Saikat Chakrabarti, who didn’t last much longer as AOC’s chief of staff.

    So I’m really finding nothing to see here.Ā  AOC figured out by the summer of 2019 that she wanted to be part of a winning coalition, rather than a lefty taking potshots at the party.

  66. 66.

    Martin

    November 14, 2022 at 4:02 pm

    @Anyway: 42 D 11R. CA lost one district. If Ds hold all 42, R will lose one due to that.

    R has 6 calls now, leading in 6, but that could fall to 4 with some good D late mail results and 3 with some *very* good D late mail results.

  67. 67.

    Martin

    November 14, 2022 at 4:11 pm

    @Old School: I don’t take it as ‘going after’. I take it as ‘pulling left’. I don’t see any effort from AOC to undermine the coalition.

    The media has such a hard-on for finding a Dem villain and AOC was the perfect target from the day her Insta account beat Crowley. That was supposed to cost the Dems a seat. It was supposed to undermine Pelosi.Ā Someone go look at the vote demographics this election and tell me AOC isn’t delivering for the party.

    I don’t think anyone (including AOC) is under any illusions that Jeffries isn’t the heir apparent.

  68. 68.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 4:18 pm

    @Jackie: So let’s see.

    It’s OUR FAULT that the GOP can’t get unmarried women.

    It’s OUR FAULT that WE can’t get white working class males.

    Seems like there’s something wrong there, but I can’t quite put my finger on it.

  69. 69.

    Martin

    November 14, 2022 at 4:19 pm

    Finally got an uncounted ballot update. It’s a mess, tbh. Says there’s 3.8 million still to count in CA, but the state updated ahead of some county submissions so some of these counties that counted over the weekend aren’t reflected. I feel a strongly worded letter to the CA SOS coming on.

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    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 4:21 pm

    @Martin:

    I don’t think anyone (including AOC) is under any illusions that Jeffries isn’t the heir apparent.

    Yeah, no one thinks he’s the double-secret heir. Ā If AOC or anyone else wanted to undermine that, they should have started a long time ago. Ā Pretty sure that ship has sailed. Ā (or is ready to sail whenever Nancy SMASH steps down)

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    StringOnAStick

    November 14, 2022 at 4:22 pm

    @Baud: I was feeling pretty good about these results and how our coalition is doing, until last night at dinner with 5 other solid D’s who were adamant that Biden is “too old to run again” and they all are “extremely disappointed in Harris” and “she’s incoherent”.Ā  The one they like is Mayor/DOT Pete B.Ā  I had a moment where I thought maybe all the time I spend reading here has me in my own bubble and it made me pretty sad.Ā  I did ask the big question though: if Biden is the nominee, will you vote for him and everyone immediately answered yes.

    So, it is obvious the age question is where the media will be working it hard for the R’s next election.Ā  Shit, some of our own voters are already working it hard.

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    lowtechcyclist

    November 14, 2022 at 4:31 pm

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Probably most of what’s going on here is that being unmarried is a proxy for being younger, and the youngs are more Democratic. Not really about marriage causing conservatism or the reverse.

    I dunno.Ā  When unmarried men are voting R by 52-45 and unmarried women are voting D by 68-31, something else is going on.

    But speaking of that, I think what fuels the right-wing male pundit rage about unmarried women is that, in places like DC and NYC, they can’t fucking find a date because the single women there won’t have anything to do with a damned MAGAt.

    Tough shit, dudes. You won’t reproduce, and the species will be better for it.

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    Jackie

    November 14, 2022 at 4:34 pm

    @Matt McIrvin: Yah, I’m a born lefty forced to be a righty. Which made me ambidextrous/lefty. Things I did without being observed for constant correction Iet me be a natural lefty.

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    Ohio Mom

    November 14, 2022 at 4:34 pm

    @WaterGirl: That’s good to hear, I suppose. I mean, I’m glad Bill from Glendale is fine, sorry he’s being worked so hard.

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    Jackie

    November 14, 2022 at 4:39 pm

    @WaterGirl: Reading that article and all the tweets within told me exactly WHY I’m a happy Democrat. AND I have cats😁

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    Baud

    November 14, 2022 at 4:47 pm

    @StringOnAStick:

    Lots of Dems are useful idiots, unfortunately.

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    UncleEbeneezer

    November 14, 2022 at 4:48 pm

    @lowtechcyclist: When we get to some Pew Research validated voter reports (the gold standard of post-election polling) in about six months, that give us better demographic info on this election, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the Young, White Voters Ā who went Dem, end up consisting of twice as many women as men.

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    Matt McIrvin

    November 14, 2022 at 4:50 pm

    @StringOnAStick: I’ve heard the same thing from solid liberals here: Biden’s too old, he’s “not doing anything”, he’s completely reactive, Kamala Harris is “not doing anything either”, where is she? And that Pete Buttigieg should run in 2024.

    But this talk was back in the summer before the IRA passed, around the same time that liberal blogs were going on about dumping Biden or dumping Harris, so I don’t know if attitudes have changed.

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    Baud

    November 14, 2022 at 4:52 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer:

    Agreed.Ā  These spot demo polls are unreliable.

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    rikyrah

    November 14, 2022 at 4:53 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    That they already made grumblings about it before.

    They were pushing Talcum X.

     

    And, it fits their pattern of going after members of the CBC.

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    Leslie

    November 14, 2022 at 4:55 pm

    @WaterGirl: Thanks so much for checking on him.

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    eclare

    November 14, 2022 at 5:00 pm

    @rikyrah:Ā  Ā Who is Talcum X?

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    Matt McIrvin

    November 14, 2022 at 5:07 pm

    @eclare: Derisive nickname for Shaun King.

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    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 5:10 pm

    @StringOnAStick: Maybe try to let it goes? Ā It’s media made-up bullshit, it gives them something to talk about because they sure don’t want to report on policy or on running the country or om the long-term implications of anything.

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    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 5:11 pm

    @Leslie: You are most welcome!

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    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 5:12 pm

    @Matt McIrvin: Now I’m gonna have to google Shaun King. Ā sigh.

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    Jackie

    November 14, 2022 at 5:19 pm

    I just watched this on Nicolle Wallace’s show. I always thought J6 was a voter decider factor, along with Roe and school shootings.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2022-polls/

    ā€œWashington Post reporter Ashley Parker said that one of the things she learned from Republican pollsters speaking to GOP voters in focus groups who revealed that despite their support for the party, they really didn’t like what happened on Jan. 6.ā€

    ā€œWhat Trump did on Jan. 6, Wallace explained, wasn’t just about his abuse of power, but it was also about turning the United States into a laughing stock of the world for undermining the governance America was most known for. The GOP candidates that Trump recruited were based only on their fealty to Trump and not to the country. It became painfully obvious the difference between those two types of candidates.ā€

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    eclare

    November 14, 2022 at 5:20 pm

    @Matt McIrvin:Ā  Ā Thanks!

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    Baud

    November 14, 2022 at 5:21 pm

    @Jackie:

    ā€œWashington Post reporter Ashley Parker said that one of the things she learned from Republican pollsters speaking to GOP voters in focus groups who revealed that despite their support for the party, they really didn’t like what happened on Jan. 6.ā€

    Getting through to these people was part of Biden’s strategy.

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    zhena gogolia

    November 14, 2022 at 5:26 pm

    @Baud: I guess he got the message through even without prime-time network coverage.

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    Matt McIrvin

    November 14, 2022 at 5:40 pm

    @WaterGirl: He’s this strange guy who kind of appointed himself the white spokesman for black liberation during the rise of BLM. Bit of a grifter.

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    Matt McIrvin

    November 14, 2022 at 5:47 pm

    @lowtechcyclist:

    I dunno.Ā  When unmarried men are voting R by 52-45 and unmarried women are voting D by 68-31, something else is going on.

    Yeah, that just indicates that young women are way more Democratic than young men, which is not much of a surprise. I’d like to see marital status and age broken out separately

    edit: here’s a Gallup one from years ago that actually does that, though it doesn’t break out gender as well:

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/121571/marriage-remains-key-predictor-party-identification.aspx

    The party/marital status association’s still pretty strong within some age groups, but not others, and it’s kind of a weird pattern.

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    Lumpy

    November 14, 2022 at 5:52 pm

    @Matt McIrvin: Ā Shaun King is not white, don’t blindly parrot right wing talking points. He’s not someone I find reliable, but you don’t need to discuss his race (and get it wrong) to say that. Your ā€œnicknameā€ comment (which I had never heard before, and I used to follow him) was disgusting.

  94. 94.

    Jackie

    November 14, 2022 at 5:53 pm

    @Baud: Faux and MAGA were sure J6 wouldn’t be a blip on Republican voters. To me, in its own way, it was as shocking as 9-11 was. A terrorist threat to our democracy.

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    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 5:55 pm

    @Matt McIrvin: Is the guy even in the House?

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    Geminid

    November 14, 2022 at 6:14 pm

    @Lumpy: I have not seen any right wingers saying King is white, although I expect there are. I see plenty of Black Democrats saying it though. I’m not saying it’s true, just that your characterization of these as right wing talking points is not entirely supported.

  97. 97.

    Geminid

    November 14, 2022 at 6:16 pm

    @WaterGirl:

     

    @WaterGirl: Naw. King is still a fellow at the Sanders Institute, though. Along with Tulsi Gabbard.

  98. 98.

    Lumpy

    November 14, 2022 at 6:32 pm

    @Geminid: Ā ā€œShaun King isn’t blackā€ is a talking point which you can find in the comments at Breitbart or Red State whenever his name comes up. It’s a gross thing to say, no matter who is saying it.

  99. 99.

    Geminid

    November 14, 2022 at 6:52 pm

    @Lumpy: I believe you when you say this idea is pushed by people on Breitbart and other conservative sites. I’m saying that I see it it pushed by people who are not right wingers, including some Black Democrats who I respect. And for them, the issue is ancillary to their criticism of King as a grifter.

    Speaking personally though, as a white man, I Ā think the question of Sean King’s racial background is none of my business.

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    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 7:02 pm

    @Geminid: Love the company he keeps. //

  101. 101.

    Lumpy

    November 14, 2022 at 7:09 pm

    @Geminid: I agree, it’s none of our business. Attacking someone based on the color of their skin is just wrong.

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    lowtechcyclist

    November 14, 2022 at 7:39 pm

    @Jackie:

    @Matt McIrvin: Yah, I’m a born lefty forced to be a righty. Which made me ambidextrous/lefty. Things I did without being observed for constant correction Iet me be a natural lefty.

    As a lefthander myself, I feel lucky that that had become a rarity by the time I started school in the 1960s.

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    Leslie

    November 14, 2022 at 8:10 pm

    @lowtechcyclist: My mom was a lefty and had a teacher who tied her hand behind her back. When she started not wanting to go to school, her mother followed her one day and witnessed this. She promptly raised holy hell and got my mother transferred to a different classroom.

  104. 104.

    Jackie

    November 14, 2022 at 9:44 pm

    @lowtechcyclist: My kindergarten yr was ā€˜60-ā€˜61. I think I was about 9 when I started realizing my left hand was more dominant. The summer before 5th grade I started deliberately writing in cursive with my left hand. It was slower than writing right handed, but very legible. All of 5th grade I wrote lefty and got A’s in penmanship! I was so proud of that! To this day I rotate between left and right when signing my signature – just in case I break an arm LOL

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